From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1703 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Monday, October 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1703 Re: [NG] change of topic Re: [NG] change of topic Re: [NG] change of topic Re: [NG] Pikmin [NG] Words can not describe how cool this is... [NG] High number of Xbox problems reported Re: [NG] High number of Xbox problems reported Re: [NG] Words can not describe how cool this is... [NG] Could Abe's Oddyssey(xbox) be done on NGC? Re: [NG] Pikmin Re: [NG] Could Abe's Oddyssey(xbox) be done on NGC? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:05:58 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] change of topic This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15FF4.5743BAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [NG] change of topic The PC will be the only true RTS contender IMHO.=20 I mean you have blizzard! Starcraft, Warcraft (I/II/III)! Should I = also mention Command and Conquer, Red Alert, Age of Empires, and many = many others that aren't quite as popular. Because of the massive = multiplayer support, the use of a keyboard and a mouse over a network = with users which support high speed modems and graphics cards, why = shouldn't the PC rule this area of gaming?=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- That would be your PC, right? ~~ Dave ~~ "I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy I won't lend another hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi Don't deplete my oxygen for the guy who's turning blue But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." -- Phish Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15FF4.5743BAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Don = Fentie=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 = 8:29=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] change of = topic

The PC will be the only true RTS contender IMHO.=20

I mean you have blizzard! Starcraft, Warcraft = (I/II/III)! =20 Should I also mention Command and Conquer, Red Alert, Age of Empires, = and many=20 many others that aren't quite as popular. Because of the massive = multiplayer support, the use of a keyboard and a mouse over a network = with=20 users which support high speed modems and graphics cards, why = shouldn't the PC=20 rule this area of gaming?=20

That would be your PC, right?

~~ Dave ~~

"I can't spare a moment for the dog faced boy
I won't lend = another=20 hand to the worm-girl of Hanoi
Don't deplete my oxygen for the = guy=20 who's turning blue
But ask me, and I'll do anything for you." = - --=20 Phish
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio

- ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C15FF4.5743BAC0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:13:58 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] change of topic This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C15FF5.7597E680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric C=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [NG] change of topic >From: Jedcross2@aol.com >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] change of topic >Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:18:25 EST > > > >Eric, look. >anyways, I seriously doubt Pikmin will be a system seller. Isn't it=20 >supposed >to be a RTS? The PS2 may have a lot of those, the PC has the=20 >Command&Conquer >series and Pikmin just doesn't look all that great. Smash Bros. Melee = and >rogue Squadron 2 are the system sellers. IMO > >-Jed Jed, look. ;-) I'm talking about Japan. GC hasn't been moving too fast in Japan, so = my=20 question was concerning if the Japanese gamers would take to it. I = think=20 they will, since it's in the top ten most wanted games and has been = getting=20 rave reviews from the Japanese publications. Hopefully it'll help = move some=20 systems as well. As for SSBM... well, since that's number 1 on the = top ten=20 most wanted (Japan), that's definitely a system seller. Much more so = than=20 Rogue Leader. ;-) -Satoshi - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Just give it a Tokimeki Memorial game and a Dance Dance Revolution 6th = Mix and it'll be set.=20 ~~ Dave ~~ "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C15FF5.7597E680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Eric=20 C

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 = 8:44=20 PM

Subject: Re: [NG] change of = topic

>From: Jedcross2@aol.com
>Reply-To: = NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>To:=20 NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>Subject:=20 Re: [NG] change of topic
>Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:18:25=20 EST
>
>
>
>Eric, look.
>anyways, I = seriously=20 doubt Pikmin will be a system seller. Isn't it =
>supposed
>to be a=20 RTS? The PS2 may have a lot of those, the PC has the=20
>Command&Conquer
>series and Pikmin just doesn't look = all=20 that great. Smash Bros. Melee and
>rogue Squadron 2 are the = system=20 sellers. IMO
>
>-Jed

Jed, look. ;-)

I'm = talking=20 about Japan. GC hasn't been moving too fast in Japan, so my =
question=20 was concerning if the Japanese gamers would take to it. I think =
they=20 will, since it's in the top ten most wanted games and has been getting =
rave reviews from the Japanese publications. Hopefully it'll = help=20 move some
systems as well. As for SSBM... well, since that's = number=20 1 on the top ten
most wanted (Japan), that's definitely a system=20 seller. Much more so than
Rogue Leader. = ;-)
-Satoshi

Just give it a Tokimeki Memorial game and=20 a Dance Dance Revolution 6th Mix and it'll be set.

~~ Dave ~~

"Microsoft Windows 9X'. = A=20 thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to = an=20 eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit = microprocessor which=20 was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of = competition."=20
Sanrio@velocity.net
Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio

- ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C15FF5.7597E680-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:53:33 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] change of topic - --------------90F19608F1152AD61B6968F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's SINGLE PLAYER isnt it? Jedcross2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/28/01 8:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > > > >> >The PC will be the only true RTS contender IMHO. >> > >> >I mean you have blizzard! Starcraft, Warcraft (I/II/III)! Should >> I >> >also mention Command and Conquer, Red Alert, Age of Empires, and >> many >> >many others that aren't quite as popular. Because of the massive >> >multiplayer support, the use of a keyboard and a mouse over a >> network >> >with users which support high speed modems and graphics cards, why >> >shouldn't the PC rule this area of gaming? >> > >> >> Pikmin has sort of a different type of aura to it that those others >> don't >> (namely that of Miyamoto). ;-) That one's definitely on my list for >> this >> year. >> -Satoshi > > > > > > I think one new thing to this game, is that it has bosses or something > that most RTS don't haev. > > -Jed > ____________________________ > EXTENDED WARRANTY? HOW COULD I LOSE ~Homer Simpson - --------------90F19608F1152AD61B6968F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's SINGLE PLAYER isnt it?

Jedcross2@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 10/28/01 8:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:

>The PC will be the only true RTS contender IMHO.
>
>I mean you have blizzard! Starcraft, Warcraft (I/II/III)! Should I
>also mention Command and Conquer, Red Alert, Age of Empires, and many
>many others that aren't quite as popular. Because of the massive
>multiplayer support, the use of a keyboard and a mouse over a network
>with users which support high speed modems and graphics cards, why
>shouldn't the PC rule this area of gaming?
>
Pikmin has sort of a different type of aura to it that those others don't
(namely that of Miyamoto). ;-) That one's definitely on my list for this
year.
-Satoshi

I think one new thing to this game, is that it has bosses or something that most RTS don't haev.
-Jed
____________________________
EXTENDED WARRANTY? HOW COULD I LOSE ~Homer Simpson

- --------------90F19608F1152AD61B6968F5-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:16:49 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin >From: Don Fentie >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] change of topic >Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:53:33 -0600 > >It's SINGLE PLAYER isnt it? > I believe so. But, it's a high rated Miyamoto game, which, in my case, equals gold. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:43:49 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: [NG] Words can not describe how cool this is... http://www.alpha-ii.com/snesamp/ I found this add on for Winamp at this site which makes it possible to download SNES music. NOT MIDIs. Music as if it was on the SNES. I've downloaded Kirby Super Star, Star Fox, and Link to the Past, and I must say, this is one of the greatest things of all time. If you like any SNES music (you know you do), you must get this. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:20:59 -0600 From: Rick Sharer Subject: [NG] High number of Xbox problems reported Possible reason given: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=74332 ================================================== Re: Stores Reporting Bugs In Microsoft's Xbox Posted By: Matt Date: 10/26/01 7:48 p.m. In Response To: Re: Stores Reporting Bugs In Microsoft's Xbox (Louis Wu) : This story keeps coming up. Makes me wonder... Stefan just heard this from one of the MS testers...apparently some of the software on the demo discs was accidentally built with an old video library. A conflict between the finished hardware and the old library will, under certain conditions, manifest itself as the weirdness reported over the last few days. For anyone concerned, the final version of Halo uses a more recent library which does not have this problem. I expect other Xbox titles do as well. It's still an unfortunate gaffe, as it has generated so much bad publicity in such a short time. But it's also nice to hear that it's an easily fixed software thing, rather than a hardware issue as per internet speculation/accusation. I suspect MS will update the demo discs on the Xbox kiosks (which they were planning to do periodically anyway) with a more recent build, and the people with axes to grind will have to complain about something else. ============================================== I hope these "old libraries" and other such problems get resolved before launch.... RS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:27:52 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] High number of Xbox problems reported This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C16085.E450C520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Sharer=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: [NG] High number of Xbox problems reported Possible reason given: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=3D74332 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= Re: Stores Reporting Bugs In Microsoft's Xbox Posted By: Matt Date: 10/26/01 7:48 p.m. In Response To: Re: Stores Reporting Bugs In Microsoft's Xbox (Louis = Wu) : This story keeps coming up. Makes me wonder... Stefan just heard this from one of the MS testers...apparently some = of the software on the demo discs was accidentally built with an old video = library. A conflict between the finished hardware and the old library will, = under certain conditions, manifest itself as the weirdness reported over = the last few days. For anyone concerned, the final version of Halo uses a more recent = library which does not have this problem. I expect other Xbox titles do as = well. It's still an unfortunate gaffe, as it has generated so much bad = publicity in such a short time. But it's also nice to hear that it's an easily = fixed software thing, rather than a hardware issue as per internet speculation/accusation. I suspect MS will update the demo discs on = the Xbox kiosks (which they were planning to do periodically anyway) with = a more recent build, and the people with axes to grind will have to = complain about something else. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I hope these "old libraries" and other such problems get resolved = before launch.... RS - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- So it was just a software problem. A software problem from Microsoft. I = walked right into that one. ;-) ~~ Dave ~~ "Microsoft Windows 9X'. A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell = to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded = for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company = that can't stand one bit of competition."=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C16085.E450C520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Rick = Sharer=20

To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 = 11:20=20 AM

Subject: [NG] High number of = Xbox=20 problems reported

Possible reason given:

h= ttp://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=3D74332

= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
Re:=20 Stores Reporting Bugs In Microsoft's Xbox
Posted By: Matt = <matt@bungie.com>
&n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; =20 Date: 10/26/01 7:48 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Stores Reporting = Bugs In=20 Microsoft's Xbox (Louis Wu)

: This story keeps coming up. = Makes=20 me wonder...

Stefan just heard this from one of the MS=20 testers...apparently some of the
software on the demo discs = was=20 accidentally built with an old video library.
A conflict = between the=20 finished hardware and the old library will, under
certain = conditions,=20 manifest itself as the weirdness reported over the last
few=20 days.

For anyone concerned, the final version of Halo = uses a more=20 recent library
which does not have this problem. I expect = other Xbox=20 titles do as well.

It's still an unfortunate gaffe, as it = has=20 generated so much bad publicity in
such a short time. But = it's also=20 nice to hear that it's an easily fixed
software thing, rather = than a=20 hardware issue as per internet
speculation/accusation. I = suspect MS=20 will update the demo discs on the
Xbox kiosks (which they = were=20 planning to do periodically anyway) with a
more recent build, = and the=20 people with axes to grind will have to complain
about = something=20 = else.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D

I hope=20 these "old libraries" and other such problems get resolved=20 before
launch....

RS

So it was just a software = problem. A=20 software problem from Microsoft. I walked right into that one. = ;-)

~~ Dave ~~

- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C16085.E450C520-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:01:22 +0100 From: "Michael" Subject: Re: [NG] Words can not describe how cool this is... I just was downloading some files( SoM2, FF6, etc..) but at the moment my sound card isn't working. So I have to wait and play GTA3 ;-) But that was a page I was looking for, too. Very good. _M_ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric C" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:43 AM Subject: [NG] Words can not describe how cool this is... > http://www.alpha-ii.com/snesamp/ > > I found this add on for Winamp at this site which makes it possible to > download SNES music. NOT MIDIs. Music as if it was on the SNES. I've > downloaded Kirby Super Star, Star Fox, and Link to the Past, and I must say, > this is one of the greatest things of all time. If you like any SNES music > (you know you do), you must get this. > -Satoshi > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:10:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: [NG] Could Abe's Oddyssey(xbox) be done on NGC? I was at EB and played Abe's Oddyssey on Xbox....it looked great needless to say. I have not seen the Gamecube yet so I was wondering if someone has seen both AO and a GC game b/c I'd like to see how the NGC matches up. lm [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:47:45 EST From: Jedcross2@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] Pikmin - --part1_44.156e4b0d.290f3691_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/28/01 11:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes: > >It's SINGLE PLAYER isnt it? > > > > I believe so. But, it's a high rated Miyamoto game, which, in my case, > equals gold. > -Satoshi You still suit that fanboy thingy... - -Jed ____________________________ EXTENDED WARRANTY? HOW COULD I LOSE ~Homer Simpson - --part1_44.156e4b0d.290f3691_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/28/01 11:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, satoshi_gc@hotmail.com writes:

>It's SINGLE PLAYER isnt it?
>

I believe so. But, it's a high rated Miyamoto game, which, in my case,
equals gold.
-Satoshi

You still suit that fanboy thingy...

-Jed
____________________________
EXTENDED WARRANTY? HOW COULD I LOSE ~Homer Simpson - --part1_44.156e4b0d.290f3691_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:15:24 -0600 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] Could Abe's Oddyssey(xbox) be done on NGC? AO is a great game, but I still prefer the Gamecube over Xbox. Hopefully there will be some great 3rd party controllers for the Xbox because I really can't stand Microsoft's own. However, it's almost guranteed that some time in the future I will buy an Xbox. Probably in late 2002 or 2003. I'm still trying my best to hold off on a PS2 purchase until spring of 2002. Gamecube? November 18th, baby! Could AO be done on Gamecube? No Doubt. Too bad Microsoft won't ever allow that to be. Geoff Taylor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." To: "Michael" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: [NG] Could Abe's Oddyssey(xbox) be done on NGC? > I was at EB and played Abe's Oddyssey on Xbox....it looked great needless > to say. I have not seen the Gamecube yet so I was wondering if someone > has seen both AO and a GC game b/c I'd like to see how the NGC matches up. > > > lm > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1703 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]