From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1775 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1775 Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:55:30 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C17C45.395F0240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Fentie=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo I agree with Greg. Maybe when I was in grade 8 I might have thought = swearing was cool in videogames and in movies but... I mean I'm 19 now and I = think swearing is an excuse for those languistically challenged so to speak. = There are much better ways of expressing yourself without using profanity - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- When i come to your igloo and start shoot your limbs off, will you start = quoting Shakespeare? The whole thing is Nintendo forced a developer to have a song on a = game's soundtrack to be altered from its original form.=20 What if there was a game that featured, say, God Bless America, and = Nintendo had it changed to "Let's Bless America", would you be offended = (not you, Don, you're Canadian, I know, and I don't know the lyrics to = Oh Canada. ** Sanrio ** "I am the king of... no pants!." -- Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20 Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C17C45.395F0240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Fentie
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 = 9:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

I agree with Greg.  Maybe when I was in grade 8 I = might=20 have thought swearing
was cool in videogames and in movies but... I = mean=20 I'm 19 now and I think
swearing is an excuse for those = languistically=20 challenged so to speak.  There
are much better ways of = expressing=20 yourself without using profanity

 
When i come to your igloo and = start shoot=20 your limbs off, will you start quoting Shakespeare?
 
The whole thing is Nintendo = forced a=20 developer to have a song on a game's soundtrack to be altered from its = original=20 form.
 
What if there was a game that = featured,=20 say, God Bless America, and Nintendo had it changed to "Let's Bless = America",=20 would you be offended (not you, Don, you're Canadian, I know, and I = don't know=20 the lyrics to Oh Canada.
 
** Sanrio **
 
"I am the king of... no = pants!." -- Penny=20 Arcade
 http://w= ww.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=3D2001-06-06=20
 Sanrio@velocity.net
 Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p;AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C17C45.395F0240-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:03:38 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:34:04 -0700 > > >Microsoft going for "mature" gamers by sporting a potty mouth. I find that >incredibly lame. > I kind of feel this way about most "mature" games, which is why I hate that stupid label that videogames have been given lately. I don't feel very mature when playing Turok 2 and splattering mutant dinosaurs with a gernade launcher or when playing Conker. However, all that matters is that the game is enjoyable, since that's why we play them. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:12:30 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:20:33 -0700 > > >Oh ya, cussing is funny. No doubt about it. > >Greg > You never bought Perfect Dark, did you? ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:46:07 EST From: DarkBastion@aol.com Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo - --part1_66.185a1846.293da0ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/01 9:11:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregorys@xmission.com writes: > I'll stick to fun games, not games that have profanity for profanity's sake. > > Greg > I agree. But you'd be foolish to deny the comedic power of certain words. Also, in a game like MGS2, it would be stupid if Snake, this bad ass who makes no qualms about killing, screamed, "Darn!" ~Matt "I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in the flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!" - - Colonel Campbell, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - --part1_66.185a1846.293da0ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/3/01 9:11:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, gregorys@xmission.com writes:


I'll stick to fun games, not games that have profanity for profanity's sake.

Greg


I agree. But you'd be foolish to deny the comedic power of certain words. Also, in a game like MGS2, it would be stupid if Snake, this bad ass who makes no qualms about killing, screamed, "Darn!"

~Matt

"I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in the flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!"

- - Colonel Campbell, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty






 - --part1_66.185a1846.293da0ff_boundary-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:56:18 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > > LOL...You seemed to have missed my first point. > > That cussing is both funny AND mature? Riiiiiiiight. Heh...touchy and illiterate to boot. You are the one that said MS did it do be "mature"...not I. I said it's more realistic. Like I said, let someone start shooting at you and see what you say. > > Also, like I said, stick to those E games of yours and you won't ever have > > to worry about being offended. > > I'll stick to fun games, not games that have profanity for profanity's sake. > > Greg *sigh* As dense as Rick. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:00:30 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C17C4E.4E3B7FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You forgot realistic, Greg. What, didn't you play the Gran Turismo = series? They cussed ALL the time. ::rolls eyes:: For all the flak Nintendo gets about being kiddy, it's often ironic to = see the type of image some of its biggest critics put out. - -aldo >>> Thank you for paying attention, Aldo. I don't think games should be = cheap and just try to draw an audience from things like language. = Conker kind of rode this line...an average game at best whose whole = gimmick was language and sex (though I admit is was quite amusing). But = I think a little harsh language can add atmosphere to games like Halo = and Grand Theft Auto 3....both have foul language, but it neither case = is it excessive, especially when the context of the game is taken into = consideration. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C17C4E.4E3B7FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You forgot realistic, = Greg. What,=20 didn't you play the Gran Turismo series? They cussed ALL the time. = ::rolls=20 eyes::

For all the flak Nintendo gets about being kiddy, it's = often=20 ironic to see the type of image some of its biggest critics put=20 out.

-aldo >>>
 
Thank you for paying attention, = Aldo.  I don't=20 think games should be cheap and just try to draw an audience from things = like=20 language.  Conker kind of rode this line...an average game at best = whose=20 whole gimmick was language and sex (though I admit is was quite = amusing). =20 But I think a little harsh language can add atmosphere to games like = Halo and=20 Grand Theft Auto 3....both have foul language, but it neither case is it = excessive, especially when the context of the game is taken into=20 consideration.
 
Stryder
- ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C17C4E.4E3B7FA0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:07:30 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > I agree with Greg. Maybe when I was in grade 8 I might have thought swearing > was cool in videogames and in movies but... I mean I'm 19 now and I think > swearing is an excuse for those languistically challenged so to speak. There > are much better ways of expressing yourself without using profanity>>> There is nothing better than swearing for expressing certain high-strung emotions. Make all the excuses you want, but it's true. I pose the same scenario to you as well....I'd love to see what comes out of you mouth when under gun fire. I'd bet money you would toss your arrogant sense of morality right out the window. Also, what about a game like GTA3? A game full of mafia, pimps, assassins, and other assorted evil-doers. Can you deny that these sorts of individuals routinely speak with course language? Didn't think so. Therefore, doesn't the use of such language in such a game add to the atmosphere and make it more realistic? I say it does. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:13:23 -0600 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17C50.1B0F4CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- I agree. But you'd be foolish to deny the comedic power of = certain words. Also, in a game like MGS2, it would be stupid if Snake, = this bad ass who makes no qualms about killing, screamed, "Darn!"=20 ~Matt>>>>>> Hell ya, Matt. That's exactly what I'm talking about...but = apparently, that's exactly what Greg and Fentie would have Snake doing. = Sorry, but that would be plain ridiculous and lame. These words convey = emotion. I'm not saying lest just throw profanity into every game = around simple to amuse people. But I think it certainly fits in certain = situations...war type situations being among the most likely candidates. Stryder - ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17C50.1B0F4CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- I agree. But you'd be foolish to deny the comedic = power of=20 certain words. Also, in a game like MGS2, it would be stupid if Snake, = this=20 bad ass who makes no qualms about killing, screamed, "Darn!"=20

~Matt>>>>>>
Hell ya, Matt.  That's exactly = what I'm=20 talking about...but apparently, that's exactly what Greg and Fentie = would have=20 Snake doing.  Sorry, but that would be plain ridiculous and = lame. =20 These words convey emotion.  I'm not saying lest just throw = profanity=20 into every game around simple to amuse people.  But I think it = certainly=20 fits in certain situations...war type situations being among the most = likely=20 candidates.
 
Stryder
- ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C17C50.1B0F4CE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:01:20 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >From: Thraxen >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:00:30 -0600 > > >Thank you for paying attention, Aldo. I don't think games should be cheap >and just try to draw an audience from things like language. Conker kind of >rode this line...an average game at best whose whole gimmick was language >and sex (though I admit is was quite amusing). But I think a little harsh >language can add atmosphere to games like Halo and Grand Theft Auto >3....both have foul language, but it neither case is it excessive, >especially when the context of the game is taken into consideration. > >Stryder Hmm, how on Earth did I know that Conker would be brought into this? ;-) I still say it had the right amount of well varied gameplay to compromise all the low-brow humor. I was pretty concerned that Conker would fall into that trap, but I was pleasantly surprised. Especially at (if you ever saw it) the ending. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:16:06 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Maybe Nintendo should package a loaded 9 millimeter along with every first person shooter just to make the game that much more realistic. Thraxen wrote: > > I agree with Greg. Maybe when I was in grade 8 I might have thought > swearing > > was cool in videogames and in movies but... I mean I'm 19 now and I think > > swearing is an excuse for those languistically challenged so to speak. > There > > are much better ways of expressing yourself without using profanity>>> > > There is nothing better than swearing for expressing certain high-strung > emotions. Make all the excuses you want, but it's true. I pose the same > scenario to you as well....I'd love to see what comes out of you mouth when > under gun fire. I'd bet money you would toss your arrogant sense of > morality right out the window. > > Also, what about a game like GTA3? A game full of mafia, pimps, assassins, > and other assorted evil-doers. Can you deny that these sorts of individuals > routinely speak with course language? Didn't think so. Therefore, doesn't > the use of such language in such a game add to the atmosphere and make it > more realistic? I say it does. > > Stryder > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:22:01 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo - --Boundary_(ID_pRE1dozkIxh5ydKwlw4EOQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ok Thraxen, since you are so smart tell me how throwing in 3 swear words into a game that raises the maturity rating 3 bars and prevents thousands and thousands of younger customers from buying the game is justified for Nintendo? If they as a company strive to maximize profits tell me if they are going to GAIN more customers by adding in those swear words or LOSE more because of the younger audience being prevented from buying those games? (Keep in mind that you would be surprised how many parents actually look at the game ratings as a basis of deciding whether to buy the game for their younger son or daughter). Thraxen wrote: > > > ----- I agree. But you'd be foolish to deny the comedic > power of certain words. Also, in a game like MGS2, it would > be stupid if Snake, this bad ass who makes no qualms about > killing, screamed, "Darn!" > > ~Matt>>>>>> > > Hell ya, Matt. That's exactly what I'm talking about...but > apparently, that's exactly what Greg and Fentie would have > Snake doing. Sorry, but that would be plain ridiculous and > lame. These words convey emotion. I'm not saying lest just > throw profanity into every game around simple to amuse > people. But I think it certainly fits in certain > situations...war type situations being among the most likely > candidates. Stryder > - --Boundary_(ID_pRE1dozkIxh5ydKwlw4EOQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ok Thraxen, since you are so smart tell me how throwing in 3 swear words into a game that raises the maturity rating 3 bars and prevents thousands and thousands of younger customers from buying the game is justified for Nintendo?  If they as a company strive to maximize profits tell me if they are going to GAIN more customers by adding in those swear words or LOSE more because of the younger audience being prevented from buying those games?  (Keep in mind that you would be surprised how many parents actually look at the game ratings as a basis of deciding whether to buy the game for their younger son or daughter).

Thraxen wrote:

 
----- I agree. But you'd be foolish to deny the comedic power of certain words. Also, in a game like MGS2, it would be stupid if Snake, this bad ass who makes no qualms about killing, screamed, "Darn!"

~Matt>>>>>>

Hell ya, Matt.  That's exactly what I'm talking about...but apparently, that's exactly what Greg and Fentie would have Snake doing.  Sorry, but that would be plain ridiculous and lame.  These words convey emotion.  I'm not saying lest just throw profanity into every game around simple to amuse people.  But I think it certainly fits in certain situations...war type situations being among the most likely candidates. Stryder
- --Boundary_(ID_pRE1dozkIxh5ydKwlw4EOQ)-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:45:17 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C17C97.9DB56020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric C=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:34:04 -0700 > > >Microsoft going for "mature" gamers by sporting a potty mouth. I = find that >incredibly lame. > I kind of feel this way about most "mature" games, which is why I hate = that=20 stupid label that videogames have been given lately. I don't feel = very=20 mature when playing Turok 2 and splattering mutant dinosaurs with a = gernade=20 launcher or when playing Conker. However, all that matters is that = the game=20 is enjoyable, since that's why we play them. -Satoshi - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- I feel very mature when playing Grand Theft Auto 3 or Silent Hill 2. But = it's great that Crazy Taxi can make me feel like a Teen again.=20 I don't know where this is going. ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C17C97.9DB56020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric=20 C
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 = 10:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

>From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <gregorys@xmission.com>
&g= t;Reply-To:=20 NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>To:=20 NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>Subject:=20 Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo
>Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 = 17:34:04=20 -0700
>
>
>Microsoft going for "mature" gamers by = sporting a=20 potty mouth.  I find that
>incredibly lame.
>
I = kind of=20 feel this way about most "mature" games, which is why I hate that =
stupid=20 label that videogames have been given lately.  I don't feel very=20
mature when playing Turok 2 and splattering mutant dinosaurs with = a=20 gernade
launcher or when playing Conker.  However, all that = matters=20 is that the game
is enjoyable, since that's why we play=20 them.
-Satoshi

 
I feel very mature when = playing Grand=20 Theft Auto 3 or Silent Hill 2. But it's great that Crazy Taxi can make = me feel=20 like a Teen again.
 
I don't know where this is going.
 
** Sanrio **
 
  "Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
  Sanrio@velocity.net
  Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C17C97.9DB56020-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:54:26 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C17C98.E5504200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > > LOL...You seemed to have missed my first point. > > That cussing is both funny AND mature? Riiiiiiiight. Heh...touchy and illiterate to boot. You are the one that said MS did = it do be "mature"...not I. I said it's more realistic. Like I said, let = someone start shooting at you and see what you say. > > Also, like I said, stick to those E games of yours and you won't = ever have > > to worry about being offended. > > I'll stick to fun games, not games that have profanity for = profanity's sake. > > Greg *sigh* As dense as Rick. Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Why is it profanity in the first place? Who decided that certain words = should not be spoken? OT, I know, and I won't pursue, but I'm of a mind = that all words should be given the freedom to be spoken.=20 ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C17C98.E5504200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thraxen =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 = 11:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

> > LOL...You seemed to have missed my first=20 point.
>
> That cussing is both funny AND mature? =20 Riiiiiiiight.

Heh...touchy and illiterate to boot. You are the = one that=20 said MS did it do
be "mature"...not I.  I said it's more=20 realistic.  Like I said, let someone
start shooting at you and = see=20 what you say.


> > Also, like I said, stick to those E = games=20 of yours and you won't ever
have
> > to worry about being=20 offended.
>
> I'll stick to fun games, not games that have = profanity for profanity's
sake.
>
> Greg

*sigh* = As dense=20 as Rick.

Stryder

 
Why is it profanity in the = first place?=20 Who decided that certain words should not be spoken? OT, I know, and I = won't=20 pursue, but I'm of a mind that all words should be given the freedom to = be=20 spoken.
 
** Sanrio **
 
  "Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
  Sanrio@velocity.net
  Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
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