From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1777 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1777 AW: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo Re: [NG] guns Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:04:07 +0100 From: "Michael" Subject: AW: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner- > NGamers@lists.xmission.com] Im Auftrag von Thraxen > Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2001 15:57 > An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >=20 >=20 > > Maybe Nintendo should package a loaded 9 millimeter along with every > first > > person shooter just to make the game that much more realistic.>>>> >=20 > LOL...OK, Fentie. Apparently you simply don't get the point of video > games > in the first place. >=20 > Stryder >=20 Hmmm, sometimes you can buy shooter games containing a pistol ;-) =20 [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:03:45 -0600 From: "Geoff Taylor" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo What version is played on the radio? The same censored version used in the Gamecube release of Crazy Taxi or something else all together? Geoff Taylor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thraxen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > > Good for them. Remember, they are footing the bill so they have that > > right. If they wanted profanity out, then good on them. Doesn't Greg > > want profanity out of this list? Isn't that a good thing? > > > > RS>>> > > We seem to have two debates going on. First, the issue of censorship in > relation to Crazy Taxi and the issue of swearing in games in general. > > I personally feel the content game should have been left alone....or at > least change the music instead of altering it...something about that bothers > me. As for the issue of swearing in games, I'm all for it when used in > appropriate situations (as I've laid out previously). > > Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:24:56 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >From: Don Fentie >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:22:01 -0600 > >Ok Thraxen, since you are so smart tell me how throwing in 3 swear words >into a game that raises the maturity rating 3 bars and prevents >thousands and thousands of younger customers from buying the game is >justified for Nintendo? If they as a company strive to maximize profits >tell me if they are going to GAIN more customers by adding in those >swear words or LOSE more because of the younger audience being prevented >from buying those games? (Keep in mind that you would be surprised how >many parents actually look at the game ratings as a basis of deciding >whether to buy the game for their younger son or daughter). > Well, I checked ESRB.com, and the DC and PS2 versions are only rated T. Not such a drop if it goes from T to E. I think it could've been left in or, like Dave said, just phased out. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:36:00 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_3b66_3add_66ef Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Rick Sharer >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:36:30 -0600 > >When I see a game that includes cussing, I immediately associate it >with >being juvenile (and yes, Conker just screams 'juvenile', but at >least it >was playing it over the top on purpose). > LOL, exact way I felt. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------=_NextPart_000_3b66_3add_66ef Content-Type: message/rfc822 From owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com Tue, 04 Dec 2001 05:37:04 -0800 Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDD61C4E00054004324DC63C1607A3A01; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 05:36:28 -0800 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16BFgR-0004ug-00 for ngamers-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:32:27 -0700 Received: from [216.136.173.57] (helo=smtp013.mail.yahoo.com) by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16BFgO-0004uX-00 for NGamers@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:32:24 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (129.109.231.138) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 13:32:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3C0CD15E.3DFBB1DA@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:36:30 -0600 From: Rick Sharer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo References: <003501c17c41$922066c0$61627841@PoppaPump> <003901c17c59$4c0341e0$8822fea9@swbell.net> <3C0C19FC.2730CFE4@xmission.com> <00d001c17c5e$807c89e0$8822fea9@swbell.net> <001701c17c60$378a4e00$8822fea9@swbell.net> <3C0C24E1.D0E488D6@xmission.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com "Gregory A. Swarthout" wrote:
Thraxen wrote:
>
> > have someone start shooting at you and see if you don't let fly with a few
> > expletives and somewhat humorous as well.  I think that is simply
> realistic.
> > Stick to your E games and G movies, I don't care about your lame ass
> > assertions.
>
> LOL...that thought didn't come out right.  I didn't mean to say you would
> find it funny someone was shooting at you, but that I find it humorous when
> they cuss at me (they lots of things, BTW).  Anyway, you get the idea.

Oh ya, cussing is funny.  No doubt about it.

Really.  That's so adult and mature.  Yeah, right.  Say, is that what makes Nintendo for 'kiddies'?  Because there's no cussing (besides PD and Conker, heh)?

When I see a game that includes cussing, I immediately associate it with being juvenile (and yes, Conker just screams 'juvenile', but at least it was playing it over the top on purpose).  The key is GAMEPLAY, not 'adult situations'!  :)

RS
  _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] - ------=_NextPart_000_3b66_3add_66ef-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:39:39 -0600 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >From: Rick Sharer >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:41:53 -0600 > > >Maybe not, but as an alternative he could scream >"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHH" instead. :) > >RS > Like those stormtroopers that fell off a ledge in Shadows of the Empire. Always loved that. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:30:41 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C17CD8.A201ED60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo When I see a game that includes cussing, I immediately associate it = with being juvenile (and yes, Conker just screams 'juvenile', but at = least it was playing it over the top on purpose). The key is GAMEPLAY, = not 'adult situations'! :)>>> =20 But there is a distinct difference between being juvenile (Conker), = and simply being realistic and adding atmosphere (PD, Halo, GTA3). I = think it is clearly unfair to classify those three games with Conker. =20 Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Besides, the only games that I think have 'adult situations' aren't = listed here. I'm talking about Metal Gear Solid and Fear Effect 2. Perfect Dark, Halo, and Grand Theft Auto 3 have 'violence' and 'strong = language'.=20 Conker's Bad Fur Day has that and 'piss poor gameplay' and 'no sense of = direction'. ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C17CD8.A201ED60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thraxen =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2001 10:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

When I see a game that includes cussing, I immediately associate = it with=20 being juvenile (and yes, Conker just screams 'juvenile', but at least = it was=20 playing it over the top on purpose).  The key is GAMEPLAY, not = 'adult=20 situations'!  :)>>>
 
But there is a distinct = difference between=20 being juvenile (Conker), and simply being realistic and adding = atmosphere (PD,=20 Halo, GTA3).  I think it is clearly unfair to classify those = three games=20 with Conker.
 
Stryder
 
Besides, the only games that I think = have 'adult=20 situations' aren't listed here. I'm talking about Metal Gear Solid and = Fear=20 Effect 2.
 
Perfect Dark, Halo, and Grand Theft = Auto 3 have=20 'violence' and 'strong language'.
 
Conker's Bad Fur Day has that = and 'piss=20 poor gameplay' and 'no sense of direction'.
 
** Sanrio **
 
  "Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
  Sanrio@velocity.net
  Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C17CD8.A201ED60-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:32:31 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17CD8.E38C7DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thraxen=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > Good for them. Remember, they are footing the bill so they have = that > right. If they wanted profanity out, then good on them. Doesn't = Greg > want profanity out of this list? Isn't that a good thing? > > RS>>> We seem to have two debates going on. First, the issue of censorship = in relation to Crazy Taxi and the issue of swearing in games in general. I personally feel the content game should have been left alone....or = at least change the music instead of altering it...something about that = bothers me. As for the issue of swearing in games, I'm all for it when used in appropriate situations (as I've laid out previously). Stryder - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Well, at least we don't have to worry about Nintendo getting their way = with Crazy Taxi 3 (Crazy Taxi Next) since that's going to the XBOX. =3D) ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17CD8.E38C7DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thraxen =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2001 10:05=20 AM
Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

> Good for them.  Remember, they are footing = the bill=20 so they have that
> right.  If they wanted profanity out, = then good=20 on them.  Doesn't Greg
> want profanity out of this = list? =20 Isn't that a good thing?
>
> RS>>>

We seem = to have=20 two debates going on.  First, the issue of censorship = in
relation to=20 Crazy Taxi and the issue of swearing in games in general.

I = personally=20 feel the content game should have been left alone....or at
least = change the=20 music instead of altering it...something about that bothers
me. As = for the=20 issue of swearing in games, I'm all for it when used in
appropriate = situations (as I've laid out previously).

Stryder

 
Well, at least we don't have = to worry=20 about Nintendo getting their way with Crazy Taxi 3 (Crazy Taxi Next) = since=20 that's going to the XBOX. =3D)
 
** Sanrio **
 
  "Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
  Sanrio@velocity.net
  Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17CD8.E38C7DE0-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:41:48 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] guns This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C17CDA.2F62BF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: AW: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner- > NGamers@lists.xmission.com] Im Auftrag von Thraxen > Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2001 15:57 > An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >=20 >=20 > > Maybe Nintendo should package a loaded 9 millimeter along with = every > first > > person shooter just to make the game that much more realistic.>>>> >=20 > LOL...OK, Fentie. Apparently you simply don't get the point of = video > games > in the first place. >=20 > Stryder >=20 Hmmm, sometimes you can buy shooter games containing a pistol ;-) =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Oh yeah, like Time Crisis II. Or Time Crisis: Project Titan, Point = Blank, Point Blank 2, Point Blank 3, and The House of the Dead 2 (at = EB). But sadly Vampire Night doesn't come with a GunCon 2, and that's = the one I want. I guess I'll have to stick with HotD2 and Virtua Cop 2 = for now. I wonder if Nintendo will ever have a light gun again? Duck Hunt was = such fun. ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C17CDA.2F62BF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2001 11:04=20 AM
Subject: AW: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo



> -----Urspr=FCngliche = Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-NGamers@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-
> NGamers@lists.xmission.com= ] Im=20 Auftrag von Thraxen
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2001 = 15:57
>=20 An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 Betreff: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo
>
>
> = >=20 Maybe Nintendo should package a loaded 9 millimeter along with = every
>=20 first
> > person shooter just to make the game that much more = realistic.>>>>
>
> LOL...OK, Fentie.  = Apparently=20 you simply don't get the point of video
> games
> in the = first=20 place.
>
> Stryder
>

Hmmm, sometimes you = can buy=20 shooter games containing a pistol ;-)
 

 
Oh yeah, like Time Crisis II. = Or Time=20 Crisis: Project Titan, Point Blank, Point Blank 2, Point Blank 3, and = The House=20 of the Dead 2 (at EB). But sadly Vampire Night doesn't come with a = GunCon 2, and=20 that's the one I want. I guess I'll have to stick with HotD2 and Virtua = Cop 2=20 for now.
 
I wonder if Nintendo = will ever have=20 a light gun again? Duck Hunt was such fun.
 
** Sanrio **
 
  "Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
  Sanrio@velocity.net
  Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
- ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C17CDA.2F62BF80-- [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:45:11 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C17CDA.A8B60360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael=20 To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: AW: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo =20 =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-NGamers@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner- > NGamers@lists.xmission.com] Im Auftrag von Rick Sharer > Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2001 14:39 > An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and Nintendo >=20 > Dave wrote: >=20 > > The whole thing is Nintendo forced a developer to have a song on = a > > game's soundtrack to be altered from its original form. >=20 > Good for them. Remember, they are footing the bill so they have = that > right. If they wanted profanity out, then good on them. Doesn't = Greg > want profanity out of this list? Isn't that a good thing? >=20 > RS >=20 >=20 Well, it depends on. A little profanity here, some cussing there - I = don't see the problem - what would be the world without this ?=20 =20 But concerning this special case Nintendo changed something of the = game, now it's cut and I hate this. It's like changing the blood's = colour or replacing humans by robots. Surely, the changing of this song = is a little minor compared to the ones I listed. And for those who don't = know there won't be any difference. But thanks to Dave we do know :-) =20 I believe the PS2 version is uncut, isn't it? =20 Anyway.. is Jak & Daxter already out ? I've seen a video and can't stand it any longer to hold it in my hands. =20 =20 _MiChAeL_ =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Jak & Daxter comes out today. I hope to have it for Christmas if I don't = get a Gamecube. I have two PS2 demo discs with Jak & Daxter on it, even = though it's got a 15 minute timer on the demo I still find myself = playing it. Although I can't get over the feeling that J&D is really a = free roaming Crash bandicoot in different clothes. Not that that's a bad = thing. ** Sanrio ** "Je ne sais pas ce que vous pensez." Sanrio@velocity.net Drhodes_74@hotmail.com AIM: Midnight Sanrio - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C17CDA.A8B60360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael =
To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2001 11:03=20 AM
Subject: AW: [NG] the "F" Word = and=20 Nintendo

 

 

> -----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----

> Von: owner-NGamers@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-

> NGamers@lists.xmission.com= ] Im=20 Auftrag von Rick Sharer

> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2001=20 14:39

> An: NGamers@lists.xmission.com=

> Betreff: Re: [NG] the "F" Word and=20 Nintendo

>

> Dave = wrote:

>

> > =20 The whole thing is Nintendo forced a developer to have a song = on=20 a

> > game's soundtrack to be altered = from its=20 original form.

>

> Good for them.  Remember, they are footing = the bill so=20 they have that

> right. =20 If they wanted profanity out, then good on them.  Doesn't=20 Greg

> want profanity out of this list?  Isn't that a good=20 thing?

>

> RS

>

>

Well, it depends = on. A=20 little profanity here, some cussing there - I=20 don't

see the problem - what = would be the=20 world without this ?

 

But concerning = this special=20 case Nintendo changed something of the game, now it's cut and I hate this. It's like = changing the=20 blood's colour or replacing humans by robots. Surely, the changing of = this=20 song is a little minor compared to the ones I listed. And for those = who don't=20 know there won't be any difference. But thanks to Dave we do know=20 :-)

 

I believe the PS2 = version is=20 uncut, isn't it?

 

Anyway.. is Jak & Daxter = already out ?=20 I've seen a video and can't

stand it any longer to hold = it in my=20 hands.  =

 

_MiChAeL_

 

 
Jak & Daxter comes out = today. I hope to=20 have it for Christmas if I don't get a Gamecube. I have two PS2 demo = discs with=20 Jak & Daxter on it, even though it's got a 15 minute timer on the = demo I=20 still find myself playing it. Although I can't get over the feeling that = J&D=20 is really a free roaming Crash bandicoot in different clothes. Not that = that's a=20 bad thing.
 
** Sanrio **
 
  "Je ne sais pas ce que = vous=20 pensez."
  Sanrio@velocity.net
  Drhodes_74@hotmail.com
&nbs= p; AIM:=20 Midnight Sanrio
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