From: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com (NGamers-digest) To: ngamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: NGamers-digest V1 #1832 Reply-To: NGamers-digest Sender: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-NGamers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk NGamers-digest Friday, April 12 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1832 Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] No off topic Re: [NG] No off topic Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] Sales/RE Re: [NG] Demographics Re: [NG] purchase forecast Re: [NG] killer apps Re: [NG] Demographics Re: [NG] third party Re: [NG] Quality over Quantity? Re: [NG] Demographics Re: [NG] Demographics Re: [NG] purchase forecast Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:39:26 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say >From: "Geoff Taylor" >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:37:22 -0500 > > >Yeah, great. We can sit and discuss the death of XBOX not even a half of a >year after it's launch or we can wait a year and see how it goes. I'm >telling everyone here right now, no matter how much you hate or love >Microsoft, you haven't seen anything yet. Microsoft's XBOX may end up >ruling the roost or sales could be down 90% by year's end. Either way, >there will be an XBOX2 and an XBOX3 until someone pays attention and puts >Microsoft at #1. Microsoft works best when they have competition and the >console market is probably their fiercest competition ever. Gamers will >reap the rewards from this battle, that's for sure. > >Now, isn't it about time we got things back on topic? > >Geoff Taylor > See, this is what worries me the most. What happens when everyone suddenly stops paying attention to Nintendo and then MS rules the market? They already have unbelievable SEGA support on their side, who knows what'll happen next? I fear for the future. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:38:10 -0600 From: Don Fentie Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say Even if Nintendo consoles died out in the future I would at first be sad but if they remained a DEVELOPER for some sort of console I wouldnt care because then we would have mario and zelda and all the favorites. It's those games that make me come back to Nintendo... not necessarily their hardware or anything. Eric C wrote: > >From: "Geoff Taylor" > >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say > >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:37:22 -0500 > > > > > >Yeah, great. We can sit and discuss the death of XBOX not even a half of a > >year after it's launch or we can wait a year and see how it goes. I'm > >telling everyone here right now, no matter how much you hate or love > >Microsoft, you haven't seen anything yet. Microsoft's XBOX may end up > >ruling the roost or sales could be down 90% by year's end. Either way, > >there will be an XBOX2 and an XBOX3 until someone pays attention and puts > >Microsoft at #1. Microsoft works best when they have competition and the > >console market is probably their fiercest competition ever. Gamers will > >reap the rewards from this battle, that's for sure. > > > >Now, isn't it about time we got things back on topic? > > > >Geoff Taylor > > > See, this is what worries me the most. What happens when everyone suddenly > stops paying attention to Nintendo and then MS rules the market? They > already have unbelievable SEGA support on their side, who knows what'll > happen next? I fear for the future. > -Satoshi > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:04:22 -0400 From: Wez Subject: Re: [NG] No off topic Rick Sharer wrote: > --- Vi On wrote: > > > > Please try not post off topic discussions on this > > list. > > I didn't. The success or failure of Nintendo's > competition is very much ontopic for this list. If > you don't wish to participate, please feel free to > skip and delete them. > > Thanks! > > RS Way too many bitchy people on this list. Thanks Rick for the info, I found it interesting.... and I see how it's related to the topic of the list. Some discussion is better than no discussion right? I'd rather hear about XBOX than hear Eric rave about his damn Pokemon. Wez [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:00:18 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] No off topic >From: Wez >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] No off topic >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:04:22 -0400 > > >Way too many bitchy people on this list. Thanks Rick for the info, I >found it interesting.... and I see how it's related to the topic of the >list. Some discussion is better than no discussion right? I'd rather >hear about XBOX than hear Eric rave about his damn Pokemon. > >Wez > Well, that's just something you'll have to live with, since no one can say it's off topic (Nintendo related). :p - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:58:24 -0500 From: Thraxen Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say > See, this is what worries me the most. What happens when everyone suddenly > stops paying attention to Nintendo and then MS rules the market? They > already have unbelievable SEGA support on their side, who knows what'll > happen next? I fear for the future. > -Satoshi Why would people suddenly stop paying attention to Nintendo? They have too many popular series with quality titles. Stryder [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:46:21 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say > > > Why would people suddenly stop paying attention to Nintendo? They have too > many popular series with quality titles. > > Stryder :) hey. You;re back? [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:54:24 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say >From: Thraxen >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:58:24 -0500 > > >Why would people suddenly stop paying attention to Nintendo? They have too >many popular series with quality titles. > >Stryder > Well, true. I just sometimes let my bigger fears get the best of me. I guess I shouldn't worry that much until Nintendo starts reporting money loss instead of profit. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rhodes Subject: Re: [NG] Sales/RE - --- Eric C wrote: > So anyway, who's planning on getting Pokémon > Advance? ;-) > -Satoshi YOU. ;-) ===== ** Dave ** super_trey_bros@yahoo.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity Felt like a bulldozer trying to catch a butterfly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rhodes Subject: Re: [NG] Demographics - --- Eric C wrote: > You've kind of pin-pointed that I really can't stand > about third parties: > they don't take GC seriously. They continually snub > it as a system that > doesn't fit a certain game. Konami is the best > example I can think of. No > Silent Hill 2 or MGS2 for GC because the demographic > isn't right. This is > at least being remedied by Capcom and apparantly > also second party Silicon > Knights. So, GC still gets T and M games regardless > of those other > developers. > -Satoshi It seems to be, is it Catch-22?, or something else? It's that most (Japanese) companies won't develop for a console unless it does real good, but it can do real good until certain companies develop for it. And not many want to take the risk on a new system. Although there are, at least, some Japanese companies that have balls of steel, those being SEGA and Capcom. Everybody else is just being wussy. Like Square, Konami, and Namco. ===== ** Dave ** super_trey_bros@yahoo.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity Felt like a bulldozer trying to catch a butterfly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rhodes Subject: Re: [NG] purchase forecast - --- Geoff Taylor wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." > > Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum > Slowing, Analysts Say > > > > If you want to read a good lengthy discussion on > Xbox v PS2 then this link > > will take u there. > > > > > http://www.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/10/1351245&mode=thread&tid=127& > threshold=0 > > Yeah, great. We can sit and discuss the death of > XBOX not even a half of a > year after it's launch or we can wait a year and see > how it goes. I'm > telling everyone here right now, no matter how much > you hate or love > Microsoft, you haven't seen anything yet. > Microsoft's XBOX may end up > ruling the roost or sales could be down 90% by > year's end. Either way, > there will be an XBOX2 and an XBOX3 until someone > pays attention and puts > Microsoft at #1. Microsoft works best when they > have competition and the > console market is probably their fiercest > competition ever. Gamers will > reap the rewards from this battle, that's for sure. > > Now, isn't it about time we got things back on > topic? > > Geoff Taylor > On a sort of related note. On my current purchase forecast, I have one PS2 game listed, two Gamecube games listed and, four XBOX games listed (and tickets to see Rush in August), and that's just up until the end of August. The one PS2 game is Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2, the teo Gamecube games are Resident Evil and Super Mario Sunshine (Star Fox Adventures isn't coming out until September), and the XBOX games are Burnout, Test Drive, Crazy Taxi 3, and SEGA GT 2002. ===== ** Dave ** super_trey_bros@yahoo.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity Felt like a bulldozer trying to catch a butterfly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rhodes Subject: Re: [NG] killer apps - --- Eric C wrote: > >From: "Geoff Taylor" > >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum > Slowing, Analysts Say > >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:37:22 -0500 > > > > > >Yeah, great. We can sit and discuss the death of > XBOX not even a half of a > >year after it's launch or we can wait a year and > see how it goes. I'm > >telling everyone here right now, no matter how much > you hate or love > >Microsoft, you haven't seen anything yet. > Microsoft's XBOX may end up > >ruling the roost or sales could be down 90% by > year's end. Either way, > >there will be an XBOX2 and an XBOX3 until someone > pays attention and puts > >Microsoft at #1. Microsoft works best when they > have competition and the > >console market is probably their fiercest > competition ever. Gamers will > >reap the rewards from this battle, that's for sure. > > > >Now, isn't it about time we got things back on > topic? > > > >Geoff Taylor > > > See, this is what worries me the most. What happens > when everyone suddenly > stops paying attention to Nintendo and then MS rules > the market? They > already have unbelievable SEGA support on their > side, who knows what'll > happen next? I fear for the future. > -Satoshi Well, it all comes down to killer apps. In Japan the XBOX doesn't have a killer app (yet). For America it's Halo (I'm the only person who didn't like it), but first person shooters aren't very big in Japan. So Halo isn't what it is in Japan what it is here. But SEGA now owns Red Company, so I bet Sakura Wars 5 may find home on the XBOX. That could help, but that's just speculation now. In Japan the Gamecube has I'd say two killer apps in the basket already, those tow being Biohazard and Super Smash Bros. Melee, and in Amerika there's Super Smash Bros. Melee and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (if all you have is a Gamecube). Now I don't know if Activision has released THPS3 in Japan for any format or even if any THPS game has come out in Japan, but I have a feeling that the THPS games aren't really big in Japan. Now the PS2, in Japan and America it has Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry, Jak & Daxter, Gran Tursimo 3 A-Spec, and on the American front you can add THPS3 and Grand Theft Auto 3. So Sony has its share of killer apps on all sides. Nintendo will have the best game of the summer, I'm sure of it, with Super Mario Sunshine coming Sateside late August so proabably in Japan early July. There's no doubt in my mind the Super Mario Sunshine will be a 10 across the board. So that just leaves Microsoft. They have so really great games for the system. Halo (which I don't like, but everybody else does), THPS3, THPS2X (buy this game), Jet Set Radio Future, Rallisport Challenge, Project Gotham Racing, Dead or Alive 3, and name your favorite football game (Madden, Fever, or 2K2) but there really isn't an across the board exclusive killer app. That's what they really need. Sony has all the bases covered (minus online), Nintendo has assured victory with Super Mario Sunshine, but Microsoft still only really has some really killer niche games, much like the Dreamcast did, and its other really killer games are also available on the competition's systems, Tony Hawk and Madden come to mind. But a few things before Vi throws my arse off the list: 01. E3 isn't here yet. 02. I don't have broadband yet. (okay, that doesn't really matter) 03. For the first year, in Japan, Saturn sales were higher than PlayStation sales. 04. The Japanese love RPGs. Not just ones by Square, either. They also like Enix and Game Arts and Red Company. I'm sure Microsoft is well aware of that. 05. That's all I can think of. ===== ** Dave ** super_trey_bros@yahoo.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity Felt like a bulldozer trying to catch a butterfly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:09:47 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Demographics > It seems to be, is it Catch-22?, or something else? > It's that most (Japanese) companies won't develop for > a console unless it does real good, but it can do real > good until certain companies develop for it. And not > many want to take the risk on a new system. Although > there are, at least, some Japanese companies that have > balls of steel, those being SEGA and Capcom. Everybody > else is just being wussy. Like Square, Konami, and > Namco. Actually Namco Shareholders went on a buying spree of Namco stocks about 2 weeks ago when Masaya Nakamura, better known for his 20 years of fueding with Yamauchi, stepped down as Chairman of Namco to take a lesser role in the company. The buying spree was on expectations that Namco would be collaborating with Nintendo to produce several games, especially games utiliting the jointly developed Tri-Force board. That's the kind of vote of confidence is something Namco management can't ignore, and if we're to believe IGN, (after their false predictions of RR V and TTT arriving for GC's launch) then we can assume Namco have at least 5 games for the GameCube. But You're right about Konami. Square on the other hand is just a money whore. It stabbed Sony in the back to get that GBA deal, and if you listen to how Suzuki-san respond in interviews when journalists bring up the question of Sony's feelings, he openly admits that it was a problem and that Square had to make a presentation to Sony. Clearly, Sony had no clue this was going on. Money talks in this business, and Nintendo will get a lot of third parties because the GBA and the GC will make money, and they probably don't have to spend millions buying off developers like a certain brick console. ;) Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rhodes Subject: Re: [NG] third party - --- Don Fentie wrote: > Even if Nintendo consoles died out in the future I > would at first be sad but if > they remained a DEVELOPER for some sort of console I > wouldnt care because then > we would have mario and zelda and all the favorites. > It's those games that make > me come back to Nintendo... not necessarily their > hardware or anything. Well, that could happen. History seems to like to come full-circle. SEGA entered the console business as a third party company, and now they're back as a third party company. Nintendo started off the same way. So it could happen to them as well. =) ===== ** Dave ** super_trey_bros@yahoo.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity Felt like a bulldozer trying to catch a butterfly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rhodes Subject: Re: [NG] Quality over Quantity? - --- Thraxen wrote: > > See, this is what worries me the most. What > happens when everyone > suddenly > > stops paying attention to Nintendo and then MS > rules the market? They > > already have unbelievable SEGA support on their > side, who knows what'll > > happen next? I fear for the future. > > -Satoshi > > Why would people suddenly stop paying attention to > Nintendo? They have too > many popular series with quality titles. > > Stryder One must strike perfect balance of Quantity and Quality. ;-) Nintendo could miss the boat for online gaming. Not this round, but next round, 2006, Nintendo could be in a mess if the sucessor to the Gamecube isn't online capable from the start. As an example. ===== ** Dave ** super_trey_bros@yahoo.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity Felt like a bulldozer trying to catch a butterfly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rhodes Subject: Re: [NG] Demographics - --- "Dexter S." wrote: > Square on the other > hand is just a money > whore. > Yeah. Remember Square's 'excuse' for deveoping for the PlayStation so many years ago. They said they will make games for the console that is the most powerful for their needs. Gee. I wonder why they're not making XBOX games? > Money talks in this business, and Nintendo will get > a lot of third > parties because the GBA and the GC will make money, > and they probably > don't have to spend millions buying off developers > like a certain brick > console. ;) > > Dexter > Oh give it a rest. Microsoft bought Bungie. Did anybody care about Bungie when it released Oni for the PlayStation 2? I don't think so. Give it a rest. ===== ** Dave ** super_trey_bros@yahoo.com AIM: Sanrio Velocity Felt like a bulldozer trying to catch a butterfly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:24:41 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Demographics > Yeah. Remember Square's 'excuse' for deveoping for the > PlayStation so many years ago. They said they will > make games for the console that is the most powerful > for their needs. Gee. I wonder why they're not making > XBOX games? Money? > > Oh give it a rest. Microsoft bought Bungie. Did > anybody care about Bungie when it released Oni for the > PlayStation 2? I don't think so. Give it a rest. Money? [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:15:38 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] purchase forecast >From: Dave Rhodes >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] purchase forecast >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:48:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > >On a sort of related note. On my current purchase >forecast, I have one PS2 game listed, two Gamecube >games listed and, four XBOX games listed (and tickets >to see Rush in August), and that's just up until the >end of August. The one PS2 game is Need For Speed: Hot >Pursuit 2, the teo Gamecube games are Resident Evil >and Super Mario Sunshine (Star Fox Adventures isn't >coming out until September), and the XBOX games are >Burnout, Test Drive, Crazy Taxi 3, and SEGA GT 2002. > >===== >** Dave ** I believe you also mentioned some interest in Eternal Darkness, right? My list is basically composed of the two you mentioned plus ED (all preordered). After August, I'm looking for SFA, Metroid Prime, RE Zero, and Zelda. I'm not too sure about GBA between now and Pokémon Advance. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Sharer Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say - --- Geoff Taylor wrote: > Now, isn't it about time we got things back on > topic? Waaaaanh!!! Anyway, I'll gladly put aside the XBOX failures to talk about Eternal Darkness. Does anybody know when this baby is coming out? I can't find two release dates that agree. Thanks you thank you. RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:39:39 -0700 From: "Dexter S." Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say > Waaaaanh!!! > > Anyway, I'll gladly put aside the XBOX failures to > talk about Eternal Darkness. Does anybody know when > this baby is coming out? I can't find two release > dates that agree. Thanks you thank you. > > RS I think its summer, but don't quote me on that. Dexter [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:24:50 -0500 From: "Eric C" Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say >From: Rick Sharer >Reply-To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >To: NGamers@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:40:07 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- Geoff Taylor wrote: > > > Now, isn't it about time we got things back on > > topic? > >Waaaaanh!!! > >Anyway, I'll gladly put aside the XBOX failures to >talk about Eternal Darkness. Does anybody know when >this baby is coming out? I can't find two release >dates that agree. Thanks you thank you. > >RS > June 24, had it on reserve since January when I thought that it was coming out on February 11. :-D With all the good things I've heard about it, I can't wait. Although I haven't been reading any of IGN's "in-depth" stuff, since I don't want any spoilers. - -Satoshi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say I agree that if Microsoft hangs in there then Xbox 2 will be better received b/c of name recognition but even MS will think twice after pouring hundreds of millions of investment dollars into something that isn't yet isn't sure to get momentum. This isn't like the OS and App market where MS has ruled for most of its life. The PDA market is like the Videogame industry in that MS is trying to make inroads but I doubt if it is as costly as the Xbox marketing,production,etc etc. I know MS has a huge treasure chest(if i could only get .01% of that i would be set for life! heheh) but they know domination is not guaranteed in this industry. lloyd On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Geoff Taylor wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." > Subject: Re: [NG] Xbox Manufacturing Momentum Slowing, Analysts Say > > > > If you want to read a good lengthy discussion on Xbox v PS2 then this link > > will take u there. > > > > > http://www.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/10/1351245&mode=thread&tid=127& > threshold=0 > > Yeah, great. We can sit and discuss the death of XBOX not even a half of a > year after it's launch or we can wait a year and see how it goes. I'm > telling everyone here right now, no matter how much you hate or love > Microsoft, you haven't seen anything yet. Microsoft's XBOX may end up > ruling the roost or sales could be down 90% by year's end. Either way, > there will be an XBOX2 and an XBOX3 until someone pays attention and puts > Microsoft at #1. Microsoft works best when they have competition and the > console market is probably their fiercest competition ever. Gamers will > reap the rewards from this battle, that's for sure. > > Now, isn't it about time we got things back on topic? > > Geoff Taylor > > > [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] > [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] > sx [ To quit the NGamers mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe ] [ NGamers" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of NGamers-digest V1 #1832 ****************************** [ To quit the NGamers-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe NGamers-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]