From: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com (n64-digest) To: n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: n64-digest V1 #902 Reply-To: n64-digest Sender: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-n64-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk n64-digest Thursday, September 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 902 Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us [N64] Cynics have spoken :-) Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us [N64] What non-Nintendo/Rare games are you looking forward to? (N64) Re: [N64] "Hype" (Difficulty of games) [N64] The battle between Sony, Nintendo and Sega [N64] Fake Pokemon Re: [N64] publisher Vs. developer Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us Re: [N64] What non-Nintendo/Rare games are you looking forward to? (N64) Re: [N64] What non-Nintendo/Rare games are you looking forward to? (N64) Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] I wholeheatedly agree Re: [N64] unsubsribe n64 Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:35:19 +1000 From: Daniel Laosirichon Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) I'm with you on this one Eddy. The idea of analog control isn't new but Nintendo brought it back into mainstream console gaming because they realise it was the ideal control to use in a 3D environment. The negcon and the dual flightstick may have featured analog control but they were designed to be played with a certain type of games. Nintendo controller was designed for to enhance the way we play games in general especially 3D games. Since then Sony and Sega has now adopted it as an essential feature of their controller aswell. At 12:54 AM 30/09/99 -0400, Eddy Wu wrote: >Nope, never heard of it. What did the dual flightstick look like? >Nintendo was still the first to put analog control on the main control pad >of a system. If Sony had it first, why didn't they come out with the dual >shock until after Nintendo had brought out the N64 and Rumble Pak? > >BTW, is this Trey under a different name? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Urbanldiot@aol.com >To: n64@lists.xmission.com >Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 12:51 AM >Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) > > >>In a message dated 9/30/99 12:38:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>glacion@earthlink.net writes: >> >>> When did Nintendo take the analog stick from Sony? >> >>Sony had the Dual Flightstick (ever play Ace Combat with it?) before the >N64 >>came out. Namco also had the NegCon which although wasn't a stick was still >>analog. >> >>Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:25:40 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us Urbanldiot@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/29/99 10:17:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > karens@smartt.com writes: > > > At the same time, and this is my personal view, I find it objectionable > > to see people insulted, their intelligence made fun of, just because > > they happen to believe in Nintendo or make a pro-Nintendo statement. i > > mean, we're on a Nintendo 64 list aren't we??? > > > > > > I think the pro Nintendo anti everything else group makes fun of their own > intelligence. Or apparent lack of. Interesting point there. So does that make us all robots? People can call themselves unbiased but there's always a bias there. > > > Dave > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:26:51 +1000 From: Alex Subject: Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us At 23:25 29-09-99 -0700, you wrote: > >Urbanldiot@aol.com wrote: > >> >> I think the pro Nintendo anti everything else group makes fun of their own >> intelligence. Or apparent lack of. > >Interesting point there. So does that make us all robots? People can call >themselves unbiased but there's always a bias there. > >> >> >> Dave He's just saying people should be open-minded, not neccessarily unbiased. alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:31:43 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: [N64] Cynics have spoken :-) > > Where did you get that from Eddy? The bonehead said that Sony doesn't know > how to make games. So I was attempting to remind him that Nintendo seems to > have forgotten how to make games. There have been zero first party EAD N64 > games this year. The N64 would be bin it's cold cold grave without Zelda & > Mario, and Goldeneye. Besides Zelda: Gaiden (which I heard is just mostly > stuff left out of TooT) Nintendo EAD seems to be up to nothing. They even > said they have nothing for the Dolphin yet, heck not even a tech demo? They > just seem to be at 20 thousand feet and falling. Right. I'm sure you can say that with certainty. This is getting ridiculous. Just because EAD doesn't announce anything doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Anyone can take anything, twist it around and make it sound in their favour. The sony price issue? A sony zealot can find a silver lining in there somehwere. A Nintendo zealot can find a bad 'omnimous' news to report. I don't think people of this list are stupid. a poster can declare to be impartial but simply watch how they choose to to talk about a peice of information, how they choose to leave facts out and emphasize other facts, you pretty much get their bias. Judges use that technique when they listen to testimony and I'm sure there's people who's just here to watch the drama on the nintendo side of things play out, while they're really rooting for some other console. Dexter > > > Dave > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:37:04 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) Urbanldiot@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/29/99 8:49:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > SillyMrMan@aol.com writes: > > > See the main gripe we all have about this > > is not that the PSX2 won't have great graphics or good games it's that it > > costs $350 - $400 and has a selling point of "We play DVD's! (*cough* for > > another *cough* $100.)" > > Did anybody download those Tekken Tag Team or Gran Turismo 2K movies? Oh > yeah, those graphics suck. (sarcasm!) I prefer to make judgement after i see everything. We obviously haven't seen what Dolphin can do, nor what we seen what X-box can do. And yes, if Nintendo's dolphin comes out for cheap, its going to be a different console all together. consoles have traditionally worked down the social ladder, first by appealing to early adopter gaming freaks, then to the middle class, and in its last few years, prices are dropped so Al, can drive to town and pick up that nintendo machine he's been hearing so much about. A console that targets the mainstream in its first year will change the whole ball game, and its happened to other industries before, like air travel. when prices became so low virtually anyone can fly, the whole ball game shifted, and airlines who used to cater only to the rich (there were boing 747's with lunch rooms and lounges) had to adapt to the new realities or disappeared. Dexter > > > Dave > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:46:55 -0700 From: Dexter Sy Subject: Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us Alex wrote: > At 23:25 29-09-99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Urbanldiot@aol.com wrote: > > > >> > >> I think the pro Nintendo anti everything else group makes fun of their own > >> intelligence. Or apparent lack of. > > > >Interesting point there. So does that make us all robots? People can call > >themselves unbiased but there's always a bias there. > > > >> > >> > >> Dave > > He's just saying people should be open-minded, not neccessarily unbiased. I'm saying this is a nintendo list and its expected to have people see things from a nintendo point of view. Its ridiculous for Dave or anyone else to expect people to be absolutely impartial while they go and make accusations like "EAD sucks cause they haven't done anything in years..." If you're a sega fan, who happens to own an playstation and nintendo 64, you will be pretty unbiased amd open minded, but the fact that you consider sega to have a special meaning for you means you're going to look at things differently than a Nintendo or Sony fan. Also, I'm standing up for the little people. A lot of the younger posters are simply intimated by the 'older' and supposedly wiser posters who literrally laugh them out of the list. Have anyone of you read the insults thrown into their faces? D Fentie might think Nintendo will kick Sony to mars, and that might be a long stretch, but At least I'm glad SOME people actually say what they believe in instead of hiding behind the veil of impartiality while infact they arent. We've become a bunch of double faced liars who say one thing but secretly mean another. Dex > > > alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au > > > > [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] > [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 03:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." Subject: [N64] What non-Nintendo/Rare games are you looking forward to? (N64) My LIST: I've been waiting for years for a good basketball game to hit the N64 and Ladies and Gentlemen NBA Jam2000 is it. Even though the 99' version had sim and jam modes Jam2k is sure to have better graphics and better gameplay. I can't wait until November Hey Dex, you've probably played Jam2K...does it have alot of statistics? That would be a major major plus. I guess it's b/c i like numbers. How is the game dex? - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Madden2000 is another on my list. I absolutely loved Madden64. The only game I'll play more often is Goldeneye and Smash Brothers. Great graphics and smooth gameplay endeared me to it. Now I'm hearing that Madden2K is the game to get. Madden99 was a step in the right direction and Madden2K is probably near the pinnacle of the Madden series on the 64. Can't wait to pick it up. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rage Wars is interesting although I'll have to hear gamer reviews before I try it out. Armorines looked better on the Nintendo Power videocassette I received in the mail than in screenshots!!! After seeing JFG in motion though I'll wait for the reviews. Can't go by screenshots and a couple of seconds of footage. Looks great though. :) Rainbow Six is another that I'm looking forward to. I've never played the PC version but I hear it's lots of fun and that the N64 version is great too(according to IGN64). Cannot wait for this one. Army Men,Riqa,Winback,Starcraft, and Beetle Adventure Racing 2 are possibilities. I NEED AN EMULATOR!!!!!!!!!!! [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:15:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Geoff Finger Subject: Re: [N64] "Hype" (Difficulty of games) On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Dexter Sy wrote: > games like Mario 64 and Banjo-kazzoie are set up like mini games. Each time you > get a star/puzzle peice, you reach a goal, and gamers can choose to stop > playing. More linear games like RPGs, tend not to allow that kind of > flexibility, hence chicks like platformers and puzzlers more than they do > shooters, rpgs, and any type of game that requires prolonged game time. I think you're selling girls short here. Not being a psychologist i don't really know about a lot of the differences between men and women (thwaps to anyone who takes that as other than it was intended =) but i don't think a difference in attention spans is one of them. Both my suitemate in college and my girlfriend like RPGs. They also both like puzzle games, but then so do i. My suitematee also likes racing games and some fighting games. She played the first final fantasy, Ultima 7 and 8, lots and lots of Everquest lately, and several other games that i'm probably not thinking of at the momment. The two of us would spend hours and hours playing games together. My girlfriend has also played a lot of RPGs, though mostly PC ones that i don't know too much about. Both of them are willing to spend just as long in front of the screen as i am. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Right to the heart of the matter Right to the beautiful part Illusions are painfully shattered Right where discovery starts In the secret wells of emotion Buried deep in our hearts - --Rush [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:50:04 +0100 From: Kristian de Groot <153038@student.fbk.eur.nl> Subject: [N64] The battle between Sony, Nintendo and Sega Hi there, i think it's all about policy and politics, networking. I'll try to explain this opinion. I don't think loyalty from gamers is an important factor. It's about the network you build around your company. That's something Sony did better than Nintendo the past years. 1.The cartridges vs cd's policy 2.Politics:Namco, Square Soft, Capcom, and I even mention Konami(MGS vs Castlevania/Hybrid Heaven) here. Now you see the same thing with Sega. Namco put incredible efforts to make the best of Soul Calibur. The result:that's THE game why most people, and i don't mean hardcore gamers here, will buy a Dreamcast. Conclusion: Sega is trying to create a strong network and they already got their first good result. My point is: we all have to little information at this time to predict the future. When we know more (facts) about the networks around Sony, Nintendo and Sega we will be able to predict how things will evolve in the future. But it will be a very exciting future for us, gamers! I know this is a very short and abstract explanation but i hope you'll understand my point. Please understand that i'm not saying quality isn't important, but if you create a strong network you get good quality(Soul Calibur, Resident Evil, FF, MGS, Golden Eye, Banjo-Kazooie etc.) Kris [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:33:58 EDT From: Urbanldiot@aol.com Subject: [N64] Fake Pokemon Counterfeit Pokemon Cards Seized Customs Officials Have Confiscated $50,000 Worth of Apparently Counterfeit Charizard, Jigglypuff, Diglett Cards .c The Associated Press CHICAGO (Sept. 29) - The booming popularity of Pokemon monsters is drawing counterfeiters. Customs officials announced Tuesday that they had confiscated $50,000 worth of apparently counterfeit Charizard, Jigglypuff, Diglett cards and other Pokemon merchandise being shipped through O'Hare International Airport from Japan. And officials said they expect many more Pokemon seizures in Chicago. ''We start to see an increase in commercial shipments this time of year, for the holidays,'' said Supervisory Inspector Marc Woods. ''And every year at this time we start to see what is going to be the counterfeit import of choice.'' The Pokemon fad has become so hot that both children and their parents are shelling out as much as $100 for individual cards on the secondary market. Packets of 11 are supposed to retail for $2.99. Nintendo's hot Pokemon franchise involves 150 monsters with special powers. The seized merchandise includes game cards, videos and trading cards. The merchandise cannot be officially ruled counterfeit until a customs toy specialist inspects them, but the cards did not have the Nintendo trademark logo found on official cards, authorities said. [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:36:39 EDT From: Urbanldiot@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] publisher Vs. developer In a message dated 9/30/99 1:22:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alexh@ivanhoe.starway.net.au writes: > What if someone actually buys the game? > Will you permit them say things like "Hey wanna play my new game?" ? Nope, I'd beat them over the head with a tack hammer. ;) Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:39:16 EDT From: Urbanldiot@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us In a message dated 9/30/99 2:21:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, karens@smartt.com writes: > Interesting point there. So does that make us all robots? People can call > themselves unbiased but there's always a bias there. It depends on what kind of robots do you mean? Those unthinking mechanical warriors like in Macross, or something like Transformers? Just remember, not everybody can play as Optimus Prime, it wouldn't look right. ;) Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:44:25 EDT From: Urbanldiot@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us In a message dated 9/30/99 2:42:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, karens@smartt.com writes: > Its ridiculous for Dave or anyone else to expect > people to be absolutely impartial while they go and make accusations like " > EAD > sucks cause they haven't done anything in years..." > I hope you're not saying that I said EAD sucks, cos I didn't. I like EAD and most of the games they made, I just wish they would make more. Man I wish Gumpei Yokoi was still alive. Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:45:52 EDT From: Urbanldiot@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] What non-Nintendo/Rare games are you looking forward to? (N64) In a message dated 9/30/99 3:06:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mccoyjr@Glue.umd.edu writes: > I NEED AN EMULATOR!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope you need it for Atari 2600 games or something else that old. Dave [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:55:52 EDT From: Urbanldiot@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] What non-Nintendo/Rare games are you looking forward to? (N64) What non-Nintendo or RARE game am I looking forward to on the N64? Hah, that's a tough one. Actually I think I'll get, if the price is right and it better be for a 4 MB cart, Namco Museum 64. I don't think Pac Man should have load time. ;) If it's under $40 I'll get it. A strange thing happened the other day, I was at the store and I saw N64 Player's Choice titles, and some other older games, for $19.99 American new. I wonder if this is an official thing from Nintendo or is the store just trying to clear stock..? Hmm. Dave There were Kings who were laughing in the rain And they told me I'd come here to lead the parade All the colours were changing, The sky was in ruins The lights are all shining on me and on you - -----Genesis [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:42:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Stryder Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, D Fentie wrote: > Maybe it does, but THIS TIME Nintendo has the same medium, namely DVD. > Now playstation can't put up its gay FMV and show it off on every > commercial just like that was how the game was. No more of this > "WOAH!!!" As the FMV loads up then you REALLY get into the game... and > start feeling cheated. But really, only an ignorant person would not be able to tell that the FMV was not the real game. I always like FMV personally. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:51:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Stryder Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, D Fentie wrote: > Highly doubtful that it will be under 300 bucks for a while. With the > DVD technology and as the only 'supergiant' in videogames, I can > honestly say that Sony will try to Monopolize the industry. And what > makes you personally know Stryder that it will sell for less? The Because anything over $300 won't fly in the US. Sony is not stupid. It WILL be $300 or less for the US launch. I would say that is a fairly safe bet. > horrible quality DVD player in the PS2 alone will jack up the price... How do you know the quality. Chances are they will use that new laser they invented for the PS2. > the PS2: Why 2 controller ports? I wonder that too. >Why black? Even though black seems to be cursed in N America, it is still the coolest color for electronics. Does it matter anyway? >Why the same > controllers? Don't know. The controllers are good. You don't HAVE to change them just becuase it is a new system. I do think they should have put an LCD screen or some other gadget on them though. >Why all the extras instead of 'add ons'? Add-ons don't ususally do well, I guess. > Whats with the > price?!? There is no US launch price announced yet!!!! The Japanese launch price is no surprise. Consoles always launch for higher than they do in N America. > Why is there less Video Ram than the dreamcast even? Not sure. How much does the DC have? PS2? I don't know the numbers offhand. > Why does > it look like an air conditioner... er... I mean VCR? I think it looks cool personally. It also does not look like any VCR or air conditioner I have ever seen. Honestly, it seems that people who like the PSX like the way it looks and that people who don't like the PSX don't like the way it looks. Clouded judgement. I still say it look like a car stereo amp. And I always thought they looked cool. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:54:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Stryder Subject: Re: [N64] May the cynics be with us On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Dexter Sy wrote: > At the same time, and this is my personal view, I find it objectionable > to see people insulted, their intelligence made fun of, just because > they happen to believe in nintendo or make a pro-nintendo statement. i > mean, we're on a nintendo 64 list aren't we??? I agree. But wasn't I who was called a fool for saying that the PS2 may launch with 'upwards of' 80 games...even though that is simply a number I read in an article somewhere??? I generally avoid such comments unless I become the victim of similar comments. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:30:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Stryder Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Eddy Wu wrote: > Everyone knows that. But there's a limit to how much they can lose on the > hardware. Any way you cut it, it's not going to be cheaper than Dolphin. Eddy, no one is saying it will be cheaper than the Dolphin...just that is won't cost over $300 here int eh US. That is pretty straight forward. Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:33:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Stryder Subject: Re: [N64] I wholeheatedly agree On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 Urbanldiot@aol.com wrote: > I used to be like those who I loath these days. I used to laugh at games like > Final Fantasy 7 on the PlayStation. I bought a N64 cos I loved Nintendo > fiercely. I was quite disappointed that the N64 didn't deliver the games like > the NES, SNES, and Game Boy did. But I kept my N64 cos I felt anything not > Nintendo was crap. Then I played Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. It all SOTN kicks butt! Man I loved that game. That game is all you need to have proof that 2D is still viable! Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:35:02 EDT From: AdamChrisH@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] unsubsribe n64 unsubscribe n64 [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:37:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Stryder Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Eddy Wu wrote: > Nope, never heard of it. What did the dual flightstick look like? > Nintendo was still the first to put analog control on the main control pad > of a system. If Sony had it first, why didn't they come out with the dual > shock until after Nintendo had brought out the N64 and Rumble Pak? Ok, I think we need to get a grip here...a lot of these debates are stupid. Who the heck cares who came out with what first? If it is a good idea, somebody else will copy it...but to me, that is only good for the consumer. Yeah, Nintendo was the first to come out with a analog stick on the main controller...but then Sony came came out with dual anaolog. Yeah , they copied, but they also improved it (dual analog kicks ass for games lick Critical Depth). And since I own both systems, I get the best of everything. HA! So who cares?????????? Sheeesh! Stryder [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:59:15 EDT From: SillyMrMan@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) That is moronic to say. I'm sorry but obviously they are working on something. For instance: Gameboy Advance, GB Transfer Pak, the Dolphin (duh), the Dolphin Controller, Mario for the Dolphin, and the list goes on. Maybe they don't have a stellar hit coming right now but they're relying on Rare to take care of that while they have a go at the new hardware they take so much pride in. Obviously, even if there's no tech demo out, they are working on something and that something includes a lot. Nintendo is *not* idle right now or even "20 thousand feet and falling." the Guru [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:01:15 EDT From: SillyMrMan@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) The Game Gear didn't sell. It was only out that long because of the stock the stores had that they couldn't easily get rid of. It was a lot less common than the game boy. the Guru [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:04:01 EDT From: SillyMrMan@aol.com Subject: Re: [N64] How will N64 fare next fall (educated responses please) When the hell did Sony make a controller with an analog joystick?!? I believe Nintendo !WAS! the first to do that. They released pictures and I remember everyone saying, "Wow, a joystick, COOL!" Then, a year or two later, Sony comes out with Dual analog sticks, wow (sarcasm present). PC's might have had them but never on a controler like the N64's (or if so, not a popular one). the Guru [ To quit the n64 mailing list, send the message "unsubscribe n64" ] [ (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ] ------------------------------ End of n64-digest V1 #902 ************************* [ To quit the n64-digest mailing list (big mistake), send the message ] [ "unsubscribe n64-digest" (without the quotes) to majordomo@xmission.com ]