From: noraa selim Subject: (orb) Uploading LX interviews to OAA Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:26:22 -0700 (PDT) I'm currently uploading 3 interviews: WMNS interviews Alex and The Sleeper Awakes I & II. I made them from crappy RM files but I think it's better then nothing. Some of um are kinda intrestin. O'pe you like them! -peace out _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: emma-peel@canada.com Subject: (orb) LX In Canada Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:32:34 -0700 Just got back. I went to the show to see the fakie and humiliate him. When I arrived there were signs all over saying there was a confirmed fraud. They offered full refunds or 5 bucks back if you went in to see Paul Walker (or something) who they had just "flown in". There was also a faxed release from Orb management at the refund desk- one of which I snagged. It basically explains the fiasco and how LX (the real one) found out about it while eating dinner in London. Too lazy right now to transcribe it- I'll scan it if anyone has a pressing need to see it. Goodnight from sad, sad, sad , dissapointed & sad west coast Canada (Orbless since 1995) __________________________________________________________ Get your FREE personalized e-mail at http://www.canada.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kael Driscoll Subject: Re: (orb) LX In Canada Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:43:05 +0800 absolutley amazing... thanks for the story... i imagine the faker was pretty freaked out when he realised the game was up... i wish you had got to personally confront him, that would have been great! I have often wondered about the faking of dj's (who are often pretty faceless) esp. in a small place like australia.... now I know that it CAN HAPPEN! p.s. does anyone else have messgaes just never making it to the list? I sent one that had no quotes and no swearing and it didn't make it. my test did. and then oobe's post full of swearing and quotes made it... whats going on? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) I love Serge Gainsbourg (orb remix) Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:41:25 +0100 I think JC posted about this a few months ago. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 10:30:13 +0100 >>protesting capitalism yeah, weren't they the same people that stole the tills from Micky D's? Was I alone in seeing the Irony in that? Bit like the Crusties who protested the Newbury Bypass that got there by Car/Bus using the Bypass...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ketley Subject: (orb) (non-orb) NWO crappage Date: 01 Jun 2001 02:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Pity this but... The Kyoto Agreement should've been sponsored by Microsoft as the moment it came into existance it was out of date. George W. Bush will do for Alaska what the crew of the Exxon Valdez could only dream about. This list amazes me. Somebody in the States actually backing-up George W. A bit like someone over here actually liking Mrs. Th****** or visiting Prague and eating at McD****** in Wensclas Square. Paul. np Aphex Twin Windowlicker "Hey Bill, d'ya think tha aliens will save us?", Bill Hicks (RIP). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ketley Subject: (orb) Red Worm Thanks Date: 01 Jun 2001 02:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Thanks to everyone who told me where to find the "Red Worm" track. Cheers, Paul. nr "The Dictionary of the Khazars" by Milorad Pavic (female edition). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: RE: (orb) I love Serge Gainsbourg (orb remix) Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:09:31 +0100 (BST) > I'm sure JC would jump in here if he wasn't getting > married right now! ;) well, that was last weekend, but he has gone very quiet! i'm going over for a garden party / reception this weekend, so i hope he's there when i turn up! ;-) > There is a compilation called "I Love Serge" which > contains *remixes* of Serge Gainsbourg (I have no > idea who that is) songs. It just came out a few > months ago, and its a really fabulous album. and, while others are on a bit of an argumentative tip, can i just ask - and this isn't aimed at the original poster, or any of the older boys and girls here, by the way - but: 1. why do some people NEVER seem to pay attention to what people post to the list anymore? 2. why do some people seem to NEVER actually buy any commonly-available new remixes and stuff? maybe i'm just becoming an old fart, and things have moved on "since my day"...??? anyway, argue amongst yourselves - i'm off to catch the Eurostar. l8rs... ;-) --- Smiley ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dark Eyed Kid" Subject: (orb) BadfeckinOrb.feckincom Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:03:17 +0100 Right! What's goin on here? Is it now up and running? Has anyone been able to order anything? If so please tell me how it's done. It really is a bag of shite. Can u tell i'm angry? G # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ketley Subject: (orb) (non-orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 05:22:09 -0700 (PDT) To Vince (et al), Since when have the NWO been socialist? Then again - knowing the US - your dictionaries have had the wrong definition since the McCarthy era. George W. Bush's first address as president... "My fellow Americans........ ......and people of Florida". Could be a helluva lot worse... The Conservatives (Xenophobic Party) could win a British General Election. Paul. nr "The Dictionary of the Khazars" by Milorad Pavic and "Slovencina Pre Vas" by Ada Bohmerova (Chapter 3 - Stretnutia a rozhovory) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:12:15 -0500 > Point # 2: > I said TimC and Vince specifically were guilty of using stereotypes to > conviently lump everyone into a common pile of easily targeted "enemies". I > guess I'll add you to there ilk, since you seem to be even worse at it than > they are: ===>Ok, perhaps I was wrong to lump everyone together. However, I used to be involved with environmental groups while in college, and eventually came to the realization that the majority of their arguments (to use a grand sweeping generalization) were based not on logic, but rather, emotion, and half-understood (and usually skewed) scientific evidence. > I'm not trying to tell you what's good for YOU. I'm trying to tell you > what's good for OTHERS. I'm trying to keep assholes like yourself from > fucking up the world for the benefit of myself and my children. People who > live with abandon, wantonly polluting, wasting, without a care or second > thought are the people that are the problem. ===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces. Just let me ask this: is the earth cleaner today than it was in the 1970s? > First, look up the word "morality" in your dictionary. Second, save your > "they're coming for my guns and my freedoms!!" bullshit. Try living in Cuba > or China and then let's talk about the limits on your freedoms, you > disgusting piece of shit. ===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like Cuba and China. The U.S. finally voted out of office an administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China--even willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them. China is a country which will massacre its own people when they want change. (Granted, the U.S. Justice Department was really no better under the Clinton administration.) > : You can tell me my thoughts are cynical, that I am simple-minded and > : selfish. I'll tell you: You are DAMNED right I'm selfish. > > Wow, such virtuous attributes. You must be proud. By the way, how's Rush > Limbaugh doing these days? Tell him I said hello. ===>Only when people are permitted to be selfish does true progress occur. This is why capitalism is superior to socialism. This is why the United States and other capitalist nations are so technologically advanced, and the standard of living for their citizens is so high, and countries like China, Cuba, and the former Soviet Union are still in the fuckin' dark ages. Do you think China and Cuba could have invented the internet, the automobile, the television, the telephone, etc.? Money is a MUCH better motivator than a gun in one's back. When I work on behalf of *myself* (which is, by definition, selfish), I produce much more than I would if I were working on behalf of *the people*. If money is the reward, then I will work hard. If there *is* no incentive, then I'll only do what I am forced to, and no more--I then become unproductive. Again, I need only point to the communist nations to prove that. > Scientific evidence about what you asshole?!! FUCK! YOU FUCKING PEOPLE ACT > LIKE IT'S MY REPONSIBILITY TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE SHIT YOU ARE FUCKING UP! > Geezus! Why don't you get off your bong-smoking, cheeto-munching, lazy candy > ass and look up your own research, asshead? ===>Wow! Calm down! I am PROUD to say that I have never done any illicit drugs, nor do I ever intend to. (And what the hell's wrong with Cheetos?) ;-) > :Objectivity, people :) > > Brian, you are a submental midget. Just shut the fuck up unless you have > any idea what the fuck you are talking about. ===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking about. You just happen to disagree with what he is saying, which is fine. Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Baker Subject: (orb) The Orb? Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Hey, remember when this list used to be about the Orb and not debating about political systems? _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) greenhouse crappage Date: 01 Jun 2001 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) > --spearman waving flag that BUSH decided to vote for autonomy rather than > the NWO (for once) What is this new world order I've heard people speaking of? And is being autonomous a virtue in its own right? I don't see how... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) (non-orb) NWO crappage Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT) > This list amazes me. Somebody in the States actually > backing-up George W. A bit like someone over here Yeah well something like 47% percent of the population actually voted for the man. You know that at least SOME of them must actually geniunely like the man... :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:44:21 -0400 (EDT) I just _had_ to jump into this one. Lets just say I took the bait. :) > ===>Ok, perhaps I was wrong to lump everyone together. > However, I used to be involved with environmental groups while > in college, and eventually came to the realization that the > majority of their arguments (to use a grand sweeping > generalization) were based not on logic, but rather, emotion, > and half-understood (and usually skewed) scientific evidence. This isn't a problem with environmentalists only my friend. This is more or less a disease of the human race (not to make sweeping generalizations or anything :P)... Human beings are ALWAYS more willing to take action and argue and whatnot based on how they feel about the facts rather than the facts themselves; if you have no emotions about a topic, you pretty much don't care about it. :) The problem lies in the fact that people often have strong emotions based on flawed views of the facts. Or they just allow themselves to be ruled by their emotions. The other problem is that scientific evidence is usually not conclusive. You try and study a system as complex as our environment and end up saying something like 'This stuff that we do has this direct result on the earth.' But the problem is its not always that simple. I mean, how many times have you seen a study come out that shows the exact oposite of what another study in the same area showed? The fact is that the scientific process consists of experiments, and experiments are a limited view of a larger system. Sometime they're good, and sometimes they just plain suck, eg: The 'You are 50 times more likely to do cocaine if you've smoked marijuana first.' study. > ===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces. Good point! I love trying to explain this to people. HUMAN BEINGS DO NOT (currently) HAVE THE ABILITY TO DESTROY ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET. The only way we could do this is by either ruining the earth's orbit or blocking out/destroying the sun. Even if we had nuclear war and we wiped out everything except for some little bacteria and microbes in the south pole, that's already like 50 steps from the beginning! Its already self-replicating competing DNA-based fucking life! :) > Just let me ask this: is the earth cleaner today than it was in > the 1970s? Or in the 30's? Or pretty much any time since the rise of human civilization? Hell, cavemen only spent like 20 hours a week MAX working. The rest of the time they could do whatever the hell they wanted; fuck, eat, explore, take drugs, whatever! In a super clean little ecosystem. O well. :) > ===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like > Cuba and China. Yeah but do you really think this will happen? Change happens slowly, that's the way it works (at least when its successful). If we were to end up like that it would be something that happens over a really long time. And having been to both cuba and china, I can say that there are some advantages to living in either country... And many disadvantages to living here. The US is hardly the end all be all of socio-economic models. In cuba everyone gets free really yummy cake and ice cream every weekend. Cuba is super laid back. Its poor as hell tho... Just trying to keep shit in perspective. :P > The U.S. finally voted out of office an > administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China--even > willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them. > China is a country which will massacre its own people > when they want change. (Granted, the U.S. Justice > Department was really no better under the Clinton > administration.) Hey, glad to see you're able to keep things in perspective too! :) I dunno, on the one hand, yeah china is fucked up and has its problems, but is it our place to go in and try and change their society? If they want to change I think its going to have to be something that's based from inside the country. As much as I think america could help china socially, how does it look to them, the meddling US coming in and telling them whats good for them? Doesn't seem too feasable. And as far as nuclear secrets? I don't think anyone should have them. Why is the US to be trusted so much with these weapons? Why do we go around trying to disarm countries of their weapons when we have BY FAR the largest collection of them? In a strange way I think we might actually be safer if every country had the same weapons. At least then we wouldn't have to squabble over who has the right and who doesn't... :) > ===>Only when people are permitted to be selfish does > true progress occur. Ahh, but is progress something to laud? :) Back to the caveman thing again... I mean, we may have televisions and the internet and whatnot, but we also have the highest rates of people in prison, perscribed psychiatric drugs, suicides, etc of most countries. PLUS the only country that works more than us is japan. And what do we have to show for it? The internet. Woo hoo. > This is why capitalism is superior to > socialism. The idea behind socialism, as I understand it, is to think selfishly in terms of the whole race. I mean, for me, my own murder would be just as wrong as the murder of a homeless man in central america or some mafia dude in russia. Life is life. And I think we capitolists could probably learn a lot from the human-race-as-one-individual view of the world. Other than us, a ton of the most successful animals on the planet do this. Ants for instance! Did you know that mass-wise, there is as much ant matter on the planet as human matter? Ants are pretty fucking successful and they don't have the internet. PLUS, they get to communicate with pheramones. Can you do that? Can you!? :) > This is why the United States and other capitalist > nations are so technologically advanced, and the standard of > living for their citizens is so high, and countries like China, We may have individuals with the highest 'Standard of living' but we also have lots and lots of people who basically live in thrid world conditions. Which is more important, that we can show off our smaller rich population or that we can effectively hide the poor hungry masses? And standard of living is based on what shit you own right? Last I checked owning lots of shit doesn't make you happy, necessarily. :) > Money is a MUCH better motivator than a gun in one's back. Yeah but that gun-in-the-back model of socialism wasn't really the original idea. The problem is that every time anyone has tried to apply the socialist model wholesale to a country, some selfish dude decides the people are idiots, cannot be trusted, and takes control of the whole thing himself. And some socialist stuff is really cool! Socialized medicine? I mean, do you realize that the united states is the only industrialized nation that doesn't have socialized medicine? > When I work on behalf of *myself* (which is, by definition, selfish), I think the only way you could make that statement is if you produce only things which you yourself consume. By the very definition of working in a society, you are providing goods and or services which are being utilized by someone else. So you aren't really working for youself. :) An argument could be made (altho I wont do it now) that you actually only work for those people to whom you end up giving all of your money. You have a morgage? You probably do a lot of work for the bank! :) > I produce much more than I would if I were working on > behalf of *the people*. You can't really make that statement tho. You have no idea how much you would work under conditions that you have never been in. :) > If money is the reward, then I will > work hard. So basically you like money. :) > If there *is* no incentive, then I'll only do what > I am forced to, and no more--I then become unproductive. What about survival? Does that count as incentive? Or fulfillment? There are other goals in life than money, my friend. > ===>Wow! Calm down! I am PROUD to say that I have never > done any illicit drugs, nor do I ever intend to. (And what the > hell's wrong with Cheetos?) ;-) What about prescribed shit? Alcohol? Antibiotics? The over-use of antibiotics scares me WAY more than the amounts of use of any quote unquote illicit drugs. Our definition of what drugs are 'good' and which ones are 'bad' is totally arbitrary, in my opinion. I mean alcohol is by far the most dangerous and the most abused drug. Is it illegal? Nope. Is it illicit? Nope. In the end, it all comes down to what do you want to put into your body. And, unless by ingesting said drugs you are endangering lots and lots of people (like with antibiotics), then I say what you put into your body should be your own choice. People do other things that are dangerous, like skydiving, swimming with sharks, gambling, etc. And yet the small amount of danger you expose yourself to by smoking a joint in a park is somehow sufficient to warrent throwing you in jail? That doesn't make much sense. > ===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking > about. You just happen to disagree with what he is saying, > which is fine. Good answer. Anyways, I know I've rambled and I'm pretty sure that none of what I put down progresses past musings or ramblings, and is pretty much not at all cohesive as an argument, but I'm really hung over so I'm not really on top of my game. :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:55:04 +0100 >> Its poor as hell tho... It might be poor, but everyone gets the same wage i.e. 30 dollars. I think Doctor's get marginally more, but then they should do. I'm afraid that's what communism does. Ask yer average Cuban does he mind or does he care that a road sweeper gets the same - probably not, as he knows no different. Is it a bad thing? I don't know. I suspect that now the US embargo has gone [Jan this year] the US tourist dollar will start to make it a little more Capitalist. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Vinyl ==> Mp3 Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:29:44 +0100 I know a couple of people posted on this recently, but what is the best way of getting Vinyl to mp3. I tried following the links, but it seemed to talk about mp3 in general rather than getting Vinyl or another Audio source to mp3. I know mp3 loses something in the compression, but I don't really care. I need to get several tracks onto CD for listening to elsewhere. I have EasyCD v5, and it has Spin Doctor, which is supposed to do the job via a sound card. Either I'm a spastic or the soundcard is pretty basic, cos I couldn't get it to work [It's the default Soundmax one that comes with the new Compaq Deskpro's]. I tried every which way to get it to work and I just ended up recording silence. I tried using my Technics SL1200 with both an Ortofon cart and a Stanton via a lead that took phono to a single banana plug. Then I remembered that the output from phono it very low, so took it through my mixer which has a preamp. Still no difference. Any ideas? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BluRoom@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) (non-orb) NWO crappage Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:49:31 EDT In a message dated Fri, 1 Jun 2001 5:46:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul Ketley writes: << Pity this but... The Kyoto Agreement should've been sponsored by Microsoft as the moment it came into existance it was out of date. George W. Bush will do for Alaska what the crew of the Exxon Valdez could only dream about. This list amazes me. Somebody in the States actually backing-up George W. A bit like someone over here actually liking Mrs. Th****** or visiting Prague and eating at McD****** in Wensclas Square.>> Hmmph. Every time I see Bush's irritating sneer it makes we want to throw up. The only reason this doofus is President is because so many ignorant fools bought into his whole "clean up the White House" bullshit. While I'm not suggesting Clinton was an angel, the fact that so many people could be duped into voting for Bush just because Clinton got a blow job in the Oval Office is sickening. If any of these idiots would be willing to read a little history, they'd realize that Clinton wasn't the first Prez to screw around - he just had the "luck" of doing it in a time when we can find out anything about anyone, anytime of the day, because the press has a right to. But they all bought into it, or at least just enough of them did, since it was hardly a landslide victory, And don't even get me started about the Florida votes. No, I'm sure nothing crooked went on there, of course not.. I'm not suggesting what Clinton did was "OK", but I'll take his legacy over an underqualified ass who's strings are pulled by oil companies any day. The good news is that with the change of power in the Senate, Bush will now become a carbon copy of the Prez his father was - frustrated and ultimately inconsequential. Senator Jeffords, you're my hero. Sorry for the tangeant, I just had to unleash a bit.... Now to get back on topic - anyone from Chicago going to the Area 1 show? I'm still contemplating myself... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Splitting up mp3's Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:59:31 +0100 Meant to ask this at the same. Apologies for the multiple posts. Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end. I even tried using some other mp3 burning s/w I had and that was the same. I'm talking about mp3 to audio, rather than just burning the mp3 to a cd............. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BluRoom@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:03:51 EDT > ===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces. Good point! I love trying to explain this to people. HUMAN BEINGS DO NOT (currently) HAVE THE ABILITY TO DESTROY ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET. The only way we could do this is by either ruining the earth's orbit or blocking out/destroying the sun. Even if we had nuclear war and we wiped out everything except for some little bacteria and microbes in the south pole, that's already like 50 steps from the beginning! Its already self-replicating competing DNA-based fucking life! :)<<< I agree with you both on one thing: I don't think that we have the ability to destroy the Earth. Why? I think that once we push the Earth enough, it'll push back and we won't stand a chance. But does this mean we shouldn't be concerned about what we do to the environment? Doesn't it say a lot for a people who would disregard their environment, or view it as "something we can't ruin so it doesn't matter what we do? We don't have to go overboard with environmentalism but it has to be in the radar screen, folks. And anyone who spouts on about "scientific facts" - wake up, not everything can be justified by science. Science is a tool, not a rule book. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Splitting up mp3's Date: 01 Jun 2001 18:08:22 +0100 nope. I'm a PC boy. Sorry. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BluRoom@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) crappage/what GOD said to the environmentalists Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:15:09 EDT << what GOD said to the environmentalists: "when you've finished-up eliminating all the non-native plants, you can go to work on the non-native peoples." --spearman (fed up with enviro/nonenviro crappage)>> Ironically, many Christians mistook this as a message meant for them.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's Date: 01 Jun 2001 10:19:33 -0700 Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk wrote: > Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into > halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins > long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end. > > I even tried using some other mp3 burning s/w I had and that was the same. > > I'm talking about mp3 to audio, rather than just burning the mp3 to a > cd............. Use a conversion utility to convert them into .wavs, then use a .wav editor to slice, dice, etc. to your heart's content. Then burn the .wavs to an audio CD. The process I use is: Convert the mp3 to wav using EAC. Use SoundForge 4.5 to develop a tracklisting with timings and clean up the file (get rid of tape-flips, silence, glitches, etc. Then cut the file into CD-sized chunks (I prefer to use cue-sheets, rather than a bunch of wav files.) Generate a cue-sheet, and burn with CDRWin. (For the Teatime shows I do much the same thing, except I use Streambox Ripper to convert the original RA files, and I cut the discs into 10-minute chunks on the cue-sheet, rather than try to do track breaks.) I've done close to half the the shows from the mp3 set, and I'm willing to provide my tracklistings/timings...it takes a lot of time to do it; no reason a bunch of us should be repeating the same effort. I'm also willing to trade copies of the shows I've done...) Chris np: Underworld - Dark & Long # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Cieszkowski" Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:31:36 -0400 Just to throw another log on the fire and because I'm enjoying this trip away from orbness ;-) Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847, in Edinburgh, SCOTLAND. GERMAN engineer Paul Nipkow designed the first true television mechanism. In the 60's the Pentagon based their computer network on a computer network system designed at a unversity in SWITZERLAND. In 1989 ENGLISH computer scientist Timothy Berners-Lee introduced the World Wide Web (lets face it, the internet as most people know it). Shall I go on? Andrew Cieszkowski "It's like something from another planet." Dr. LX Paterson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:26:01 -0400 (EDT) > It might be poor, but everyone gets the same wage i.e. 30 dollars. I think > Doctor's get marginally more, but then they should do. I'm afraid that's > what communism does. Yeah but the natives are paid in pesos, which are illegal for tourists to spend. Plus american money is legal tender there. Its pretty funny, everything has two prices, the peso price and the dollar price. > Ask yer average Cuban does he mind or does he care that a road sweeper gets > the same - probably not, as he knows no different. True dat. > Is it a bad thing? I don't know. I suspect that now the US embargo has gone > [Jan this year] the US tourist dollar will start to make it a little more > Capitalist. Oh man, thats gonna be the end of the cuban lobsters then. When you go there, they have these guys who try and sell you live lobsters in a little cardboard box right before you get on the plane. The lobsters are endangered, plus they're considered a national resource by the government so its illegal for individuals to eat them. What a strange place to visit... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:32:06 -0400 (EDT) I usually just do this with winamp. :) You can use the wav out plugin and then just stop the track at 74 minutes, rename the file, and start it up again at 74:01 and then you have two wav files. Works and is really easy... > Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into > halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins > long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Spear man" Subject: (orb) crappage and more Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:34:11 >Who are you, Spear Man, and why are you spamming the Orb list? a long time list member who usually lurks and occasionally plays the devil's and other's advocate. ===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like Cuba and China. The U.S. finally voted out of office an administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China not so fast Bush fanboy >--even willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them. Do I need to remind you that high US technology was delivered to the Chinese under the current administration in the form of an $80 million aircraft? Bush giving the crew medals of honour was a joke--a typical political trick. The only way those people would be military heroes would have been if that plane had ended up in the ocean--not in the hands of the Chinese. >What is this new world order I've heard people speaking of?< global totalitarianism even the Chinese envy. >And is being autonomous a virtue in its own right? I don't see how...< Did I say it was? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) > I agree with you both on one thing: I don't think that we have the > ability to destroy the Earth. Why? I think that once we push the Earth > enough, it'll push back and we won't stand a chance. Yeah word. The destructive force of nature is pretty big. :) > But does this mean we shouldn't be concerned about what we do to the > environment? I didn't say that! :) Of course we should be concerned, aware even. The problem with the human race is that we don't see the way that we are connected to every living thing on the planet. > Doesn't it say a lot for a people who would disregard > their environment, or view it as "something we can't ruin so it > doesn't matter what we do? That isn't what I meant. I was just speaking to our hautiness as a race, not using it as an excuse. > We don't have to go overboard with > environmentalism but it has to be in the radar screen, folks. And > anyone who spouts on about "scientific facts" - wake up, not > everything can be justified by science. Science is a tool, not a rule > book. Plus, the answers we get from science are often (read: always) inconclusive to a greater or lesser degree. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:35:48 -0400 (EDT) > Just to throw another log on the fire and because I'm enjoying this trip > away from orbness ;-) > > Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847, in Edinburgh, SCOTLAND. I worship the ground you walk on andy. You're my new hero!!! :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Phone and technology Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:57:09 -0500 > Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847, in Edinburgh, SCOTLAND. > > GERMAN engineer Paul Nipkow designed the first true television mechanism. > > In the 60's the Pentagon based their computer network on a computer network > system designed at a unversity in SWITZERLAND. > > In 1989 ENGLISH computer scientist Timothy Berners-Lee introduced the World > Wide Web (lets face it, the internet as most people know it). > > Shall I go on? ===>First, I should point out that none of the above-mentioned countries are communist. I never said that they were invented in the U.S. Secondly, although Bell may have been born in Scotland, he immigrated to the U.S. The U.S., as you may know, is made up almost entirely by immigrants. That is our strength. Thirdly, although many of these products may not have had their origins in the U.S., it was U.S. companies and individuals who either perfected them or came up with ways of mass marketing them. (Incidentally, wasn't the automobile a German invention, too? But it was Henry Ford who perfected the assembly line.) Basically, what I'm trying to say is, ALL of the above-mentioned nations (not just the U.S.) encourage innovation because of the very nature of capitalism. Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Huh? Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:59:19 -0500 > what GOD said to the environmentalists: > > "when you've finished-up eliminating all the non-native plants, you can go > to work on the non-native peoples." > > --spearman (fed up with enviro/nonenviro crappage)>> > > Ironically, many Christians mistook this as a message meant for them.... ===>Um...what? Are you saying that Christians are the only ones who # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:02:02 -0500 : ===>Ok, perhaps I was wrong to lump everyone together. : However, I used to be involved with environmental groups while : in college, and eventually came to the realization that the : majority of their arguments (to use a grand sweeping : generalization) were based not on logic, but rather, emotion, : and half-understood (and usually skewed) scientific evidence. Vince, you're talking about college students. COLLEGE STUDENTS. You know, college- the time of experimentation, opening up, learning.... College students are just a couple of years older than high school students. Of course they are more passion than logic, duh. Once again, you have decided to conveniently wrap this whole problem up into a nice, tidy package that, eventually, is a baseless, stinky piece of shit. : ===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces. : Just let me ask this: is the earth cleaner today than it was in : the 1970s? oh jeses christ. that's not what it's about, asshole. I swear to god, an evironmentalist suggests we should pick up some trash and Vince blows it up into that they are screaming armeggeddon. Another typical childish strategy to disarm their argument. Let's not deal with their argument. Let's just pretend that they are raving maniacs who want to turn the USA into a bunch of beatnick communists. there's a term for that kind of strategy, Vince It's called the politics of fear. The republiKan party are experts at it, as a whole. I'm so fucking tired of that. Every fascist nation in the history of the world gained power this way. Yet, you claim that environmentalists are the ones closer to bringing this democracy down? Pshhhh... Let's talk about this again at a time when the issue of what I can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious faith my children have to inundated with in the classroom (republiKans want the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall and daily school prayer over the PA). Then we can talk about abortion. Yeah, the environmentalists are the ones coming for your freedoms... Aww just fuck right off with that nonsense. : ===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like : Cuba and China. The U.S. finally voted out of office an : administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China--even : willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them. Oh really? Since you claim to be SUCH a hero of documented evidence and proof before you will alter your position on the environment, let's see proof that Clinton sold nuclear secrets to the China. C'mon dickless, let's see the proof! Don't have it? Didn't think so... now sit the fuck right down and keep your piehole shut! : China is a country which will massacre its own people : when they want change. (Granted, the U.S. Justice : Department was really no better under the Clinton : administration.) Yeah, that's exactly my point, genius. China and Ameica are like night and day. So stop pretending that America is one step away from communism everytime shit needs to get cleaned up. Newsflash: The Constitution does NOT grant you limitless freedoms! : ===>Only when people are permitted to be selfish does : true progress occur. This is why capitalism is superior to : socialism. Man, you are just a fucken expert on everything, aren't ya? Man... the environment, ecology, finance, economics, the Constitution! Wow! Amazing! Another newsflash for Vince: the powers of corporations and individual persons alike have always been, and necessarily so, curbed to ensure protection for various aspects of business, the economy, and the environment. This is fucken necessary gat'damnit. A pure capitalist, essentially what a corporation is since they are viewed as individuals under law for some goddamned reason- cares only about one thing- the bottom line. It does not care about health. Safety. The environment. Future generations. It cares only about the $. I'm all for capitalism, but only under regulations that prevent the dangers that they also carry along with them. And capitalism isn't so fucken rosey, cheech. It creates, and perpetuates, a class-based society. Which is funny, because a democracy is diametrically opposed to that. This is why the United States and other capitalist : nations are so technologically advanced, and the standard of : living for their citizens is so high, and countries..... [snip: a long rant about absolutely nothing] : ===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking : about. You just happen to disagree with what he is saying, : which is fine. Oh really? What is he is trying to say? I broke up his entire post. What did I miss? What golden intellectual giblet did I not see? I wasn't disagreeing with him as much as insulting him- because he obviously needed it. He really made no points at all, but managed to expose himself as the bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is. Anyway, Vince, you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into intellectual oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else. That long tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read from someone who fancies himself as intelligent. I'll repeat: fucken pathetic. -=oobe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob_King Subject: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:13:11 -0400 Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion, politics and other personal attacks off-list. Jeez...! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:18:42 -0500 Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion, politics and other personal attacks off-list. Jeez...! ===>that goes for you too -=oobe before you make a true ass out of yourself. whoops too late. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:21:24 -0400 right - if you are going to insult someone at least have the common sense not to do it in front of everyone else - for all i care you and Vince can hack it out all you want PRIVATELY... ::Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion, ::politics and ::other personal attacks off-list. Jeez...! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) And more Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:25:34 -0500 > oh jeses christ. that's not what it's about, asshole. I swear to god, an > evironmentalist suggests we should pick up some trash and Vince blows it up > into that they are screaming armeggeddon. Another typical childish strategy > to disarm their argument. Let's not deal with their argument. Let's just > pretend that they are raving maniacs who want to turn the USA into a bunch > of beatnick communists. there's a term for that kind of strategy, Vince > It's called the politics of fear. The republiKan party are experts at it, > as a whole. I'm so fucking tired of that. Every fascist nation in the > history of the world gained power this way. Yet, you claim that > environmentalists are the ones closer to bringing this democracy down? > Pshhhh... Let's talk about this again at a time when the issue of what I > can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want > laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious > faith my children have to inundated with in the classroom (republiKans want > the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall and daily school prayer over the > PA). Then we can talk about abortion. Yeah, the environmentalists are the > ones coming for your freedoms... Aww just fuck right off with that nonsense. ===>I never said I was a Republican. And, for the record, I am not. > Man, you are just a fucken expert on everything, aren't ya? Man... the > environment, ecology, finance, economics, the Constitution! Wow! Amazing! ===>I think so, too (although my wife knows the truth). ;-) > bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is. Anyway, Vince, > you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into intellectual > oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else. That long > tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and > everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just > jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read > from someone who fancies himself as intelligent. I'll repeat: fucken > pathetic. ===>Actually, I do not recall saying America is the greatest place on earth. I *do* recall, however, saying that capitalism is far superior to Marxist philosophy. The U.S. is *not* the only capitalist nation in the world. Am I the only one on this list who is getting a kick out of all this? I can't remember being verbally abused this much since my senior year in college (almost ten years ago) when I sent out an all-campus mailer to celebrate Earth Day, suggesting that we should "help beach whales." (Someone literally nailed one to my door and wrote, "Stick this up your ass, Vince!!!" Fuckin' hilarious! :-) I've gotta hand it to you, OOBE: this is the first time I've laughed today (and that's a good thing). Have a great weekend! Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:28:47 -0500 aww.. did i hurt your wittle feewings, Johnny? I'm sowwy... : : Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion, politics and : other personal attacks off-list. Jeez...! : : ===>that goes for you too -=oobe before you make a true ass out of yourself. : : : whoops too late. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Ibiza Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:10:58 -0400 RE: (orb) Watch out, watch out, there's a FAKE Alex about!I wonder why they all die? I mean you set up an island that has two things... tons of clubs and "Stooper-Star DJ" condos... then encourage Hedonism and Debauchery in such a way as to make Dionysus proud. I can't wait to visit sometime... :-) -e # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Unidentified Frequencies of Orb? Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:06:54 -0400 These are Fan remixes. which upon further inspection you can tell that they are the originals looped out and the samples from them played over and over. There's some really good stuff on here, it's just not a proper orb release (since they didn't the mixes or condone them to be done) Russian Intervention and Lunatics feel Love are my faves, personally :) i believe your track listing is correct, btw. -e > >The Orb: Unidentified Frequencies of Orb > >[1994] bootleg remix album > >CD: 1994 UK (??; ??) > > 8:47 Little Fluffy Clouds (out of ultraworld mix) > >14:02 Out Of Body Experience (crack in the sky remix) > >11:00 UFOrb (russian intervention mix) > >15:21 Close Encounters (lunatics feel love mix) > >14:01 Blue Room (universum mix) > > 8:26 Towers of Dub (perpetual twighlight at dawn mix) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Man, people on this list have honed their skills of argument and insult better than I thought before!!! :) > It's called the politics of fear. The republiKan party are experts at it, > as a whole. I'm so fucking tired of that. Every fascist nation in the > history of the world gained power this way. Yet, you claim that Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children! Selling drugs to our children, corrupting the youth. I love it. :) > can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want > laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious Hey they already have laws dictating what kind of recreational substances you can ingest. Why not other stuff? :P > Oh really? Since you claim to be SUCH a hero of documented evidence and > proof before you will alter your position on the environment, let's see > proof that Clinton sold nuclear secrets to the China. C'mon dickless, > let's see the proof! Don't have it? Didn't think so... now sit the fuck > right down and keep your piehole shut! O man, this paragraph is my favorite so far. BURN! :) How about the perported 'damage' caused by Clinton et al to the whitehouse offices. Didn't a committee a few days ago find that the spaces were basically what you would expect to see when someone has to vacate office space quickly? Heh heh. > Another newsflash for Vince: the powers of corporations and individual I just thought I should add that with the mega-corporations we have now the power that businesses wield is pretty scary. Lets not forget that 95% of all news, print, and entertainment media come from the same 5 companies... > oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else. That long > tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and > everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just > jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read > from someone who fancies himself as intelligent. I'll repeat: fucken > pathetic. Sorry vince, but I have to agree here (except for the part where he insults you). It is pretty silly to say that america is the best country and whatnot. -Ben "Thinkin about the post-work off topic bitching posts he will hear when people get home from work tonight and read all our posts" May # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:52:13 -0500 : Man, people on this list have honed their skills of argument and : insult better than I thought before!!! :) You can too if you hang out in alt.bitterness for a couple of weeks. :) : Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children! Selling drugs to our : children, corrupting the youth. I love it. :) ??? : : O man, this paragraph is my favorite so far. BURN! :) How about : the perported 'damage' caused by Clinton et al to the whitehouse offices. : Didn't a committee a few days ago find that the spaces were basically what : you would expect to see when someone has to vacate office space quickly? : Heh heh. So? Whart the fuck did you expect? The guy was from fucking ARKANSAS!!! We've traded one ridiculously horny redneck for one brazenly retarded redneck. I'll take the horny redneck everytime. : I just thought I should add that with the mega-corporations we : have now the power that businesses wield is pretty scary. Lets not forget : that 95% of all news, print, and entertainment media come from the same 5 : companies... Fuck, just take a look at the WTO. Government by corporations. Read 'Red Mars' sometime. -=oobe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) And more Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:56:39 -0500 nice arguments Vince. : ===>I never said I was a Republican. And, for the record, I am : not. : ===>I think so, too (although my wife knows the truth). ;-) : ===>Actually, I do not recall saying America is the greatest place : on earth. I *do* recall, however, saying that capitalism is far : superior to Marxist philosophy. The U.S. is *not* the only capitalist : nation in the world. : Am I the only one on this list who is getting a kick out of all : this? no, i am too. i haven't gotten to slam somebody for inane stupidity in a while. I can't remember being verbally abused this much since : my senior year in college (almost ten years ago) when I : sent out an all-campus mailer to celebrate Earth Day, suggesting : that we should "help beach whales." (Someone literally nailed : one to my door and wrote, "Stick this up your ass, Vince!!!" : Fuckin' hilarious! :-) I have plenty of unused things lying around that you can stick up your ass. A toaster that my wife bought behind my back. A salami roll. My next door neighbor's shitty yapping dog. The unused external zip drive. My copy of the new Depeche Mode album... -=oobe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Blanch" Subject: Re: [(orb) Something unrelated but vastly important to everyone!] Date: 01 Jun 2001 19:02:20 -0000 OK - did I hit a raw nerve here? Unfortunately I cannot claim to have started this petition, I am merely just passing it on but maybe I could enlighten some of you Americans it's just a joke but all the other countries seem (including the UK) to have been quite worried with regards to Bush getting presidency...with that brief-case with the red button on it and everything... Incidentally by my nature I am extremely Left wing so I have a notable critcism for Bush and other politically Right people's ideologies, secondly I am not a great fan of 'patriotism' as all it seems to do is promote imperialism/capitalism both of which contribute to Third World debt, and only further compounds the problems of the world as wealth is so unevenly distrubuted. I would go on but I am tired after having an exam on the paradoxes of Liberty and Margaret Thatcher's impact on British Broadcasting - I hate being a media student... Lee. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Green Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:17:30 -0700 > Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into > halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins > long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end. You might have to convert it to a .wav first, but you can use Sound Forge 5 - set markers where you want the tracks to start. After that is finished, choose convert markers to regions. After that, choose export regions. You will end up with individual .wav tracks! Burn at will... :) _jason_ -- Jason Green Apple Computer Inc. iTunes team / Applications Engineering dept. jgreen@apple.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:26:00 -0700 > I envy the simplicity of your thought process. It must be so much easier to > go through life when you look at a huge portion of the population who share > a common moral principle and lump them all into a group of nihlistic > hypocrits using sophmoric stereotypes. Yeah, I wish I wasn't plagued with > accepting reality instead of someone else's cynical mantra like you and > Vince have. Fucking pathetic. Well, actually, I use philosophy, rather than stereotypes, to perform my value judgements. It is a very powerful tool. If it means that recognizing incorrect philosophy as evil and destructive, and judging the holders of said philosophy accordingly, well, so be it. We are living in an age where philosophically speaking, man has turned away from reason - he still lives by it implicitly and out of necessity, but without the concrete, explicit philosophical grounding required, he is left defenseless intellectually - and we see the results in our deteriorating world around us. So, in this case, the "huge portion of the population who share a common moral principle" (note the power of philosophy is such that you actually recognized the essential and its importance in this case) holds a moral principle that is fundamentally anti-man, and therefore evil - and it must therefore be judged accordingly. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:30:27 -0700 > Actually, this is not at all what the environmentalists were protesting > (well, perhaps there were a few idiots doing it). It was not a protest > against capitlaism or technology. It was a protest against the WTO > undermining regional environmental protection policies. Member nations of > the WTO have to comply to certain trade policies that promote "fair trade" > between third world and first world member countries. Many of these policies > superceed the rights of local governments to make their own decisions about > regional environmental and trade policies, rendering them powerless to do > anything to prorect themselves from the onslaught of an emerging global > consumerist economy. Actually, there were indeed large factions of protesters - some rampantly environmentalist (and not concerned about local governments' rights to control their environmental policy), and some viciously anti-capitalist/technology. The number of people I talked to who were actually protesting WTO for reasons of policy was actually pretty low. Most were just protesting to have some sort of activist agenda without really having had to think about it. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew C. Johnston" Subject: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Please, people, please, let's let the politics go. This reminds me of the fun-not fun flame wars we had about a year ago, again with environmental/anti-nuke topics...frankly we are not going to solve anything here, so why bother? I am saying this because I always feel a bad vibe when someone has to post KEEP IT OFF LIST. Usually because it is written angrily. Plus, this time there is lots of anger in some of the opinion posts. I've got my opinions, just like anyone else, and I'm going to keep them to myself. This issue is complicated, nobody here is exactly right or wrong. Everyone, or almost so, has made good points, although the methods... Man, I wish that original poster had just said, here is the link, check it out if you want, instead of inciting everyone. He or she is really the one to blame for this noise. Finally, on a personal note, I have lived in China for the last 2 years. So please don't post ignorant statements about China when you really don't have a clue. That goes for a bunch of people. At least qualify your statements to express your lack of info. And no, I am not a communist, I am a free market capitalist, and more so than the US gov't, with their irrational prohibited markets and price controls. Love, Andrew p.s. in the alternative, let's all agree to tone down the rhetoric, ok? Arguments lose their power when they are combined with anger. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:19:11 -0500 You perform value judgements? How much are tickets? The rest of your post was just rambling crap. Try better next time. And don't post it three times- it was just as bad the third time as it was the first. -=oobe : Well, actually, I use philosophy, rather than stereotypes, to perform my : value judgements. It is a very powerful tool. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:21:29 -0500 TimC, Man about town. Pray tell, just how many WTO protestors did you talk to in Seattle? Where do you live, Florida? What a douche bag. : The number of people I talked to who were : actually protesting WTO for reasons of policy was actually pretty low. : Most were just protesting to have some sort of activist agenda without : really having had to think about it. : : T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: merrick patton schaefer Subject: (orb) so on topic it is unbelievable Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:30:35 -0500 (CDT) Democracy at work folks...right here. as if man was ever used reason. -merrick- ps. maybe andy left the orb becuase he got in a huge politcal fight with Alex he he # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:47:53 EDT damn cant you prople take a hint?? we dont want to hear you bitch and whine at each other. go cry to your mom or someone else who cares. argue somewhere else. your long winded pointless arguments are making me want to puke. youre little flame war should have been moved off the list a long time ago. please chill and talk about something that has to do with the orb or at least MUSIC. DJ TeleVision # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:53:41 -0500 I lived in China for three months when I was 17 immediately after highschool. I have more than a clue what I'm talking about. all my love, -=oobe : Finally, on a personal note, I have lived in China for : the last 2 years. So please don't post ignorant : statements about China when you really don't have a : clue. That goes for a bunch of people. At least : qualify your statements to express your lack of info. : And no, I am not a communist, I am a free market : capitalist, and more so than the US gov't, with their : irrational prohibited markets and price controls. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Blanch" Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 20:53:30 -0000 I'm impressed - you've obvously been reading up on socialist theory? Lee. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Blanch" Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 01 Jun 2001 20:59:01 -0000 > ===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking > about. You just happen to disagree with what he is saying, > which is fine. Good answer. Anyways, I know I've rambled and I'm pretty sure that none of what I put down progresses past musings or ramblings, and is pretty much not at all cohesive as an argument, but I'm really hung over so I'm not really on top of my game. :) :) :) --------------- But what you say is sooooo true though! These aren't just ramblings, many other people, in particular, big named philosophers have written thousands of pages on this sort of stuff - these arguements are some of the most important issues that we as humans beings need to address in today's society. Lee. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:59:34 -0400 hey man, you didn't call him a fuck face - you losing your touch? ::I lived in China for three months when I was 17 immediately after ::highschool. I have more than a clue what I'm talking about. :: ::all my love, ::-=oobe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Blanch" Subject: Re: (orb) Phone and technology Date: 01 Jun 2001 21:20:12 -0000 Basically, what I'm trying to say is, ALL of the above-mentioned nations (not just the U.S.) encourage innovation because of the very nature of capitalism. Vince ------------- It could be argued that we encourage innovation, not because of the nature of capitalism, but maybe because as we evolve, and technologies become more advanced, the need for innovation and perhaps ways of perfecting technologies (usually to a point where technologies are MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY - remember the original topic which started this all off?) is there? I think its all very chicken and egg - humans need/use technology which in turn enables us to develop and perhaps live more sophisticated lives (i.e. healthier, cleaner, efficient, etc.) and through this development we in turn crete better technology than the previous forms. This is all arguable though, like most things (even THAT is arguable). Lee. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:33:34 -0500 But 672 posts about smoking a bowl or rolling a j are okay? Here, I'll immediately make myself likeable by the Orb list: I like to smoke pot. No, I LOVE to smoke pot and listen to the Orb! Smoking pot ownz! POT POT POT!!! POT ALL DAY AND POT ALL NIGHT!!! MMMM HMMM!!! worthless "on topic" police... -=oobe : damn cant you prople take a hint?? we dont want to hear you bitch and whine at each other. go cry to your mom or someone else who cares. argue somewhere else. your long winded pointless arguments are making me want to puke. youre little flame war should have been moved off the list a long time ago. please chill and talk about something that has to do with the orb or at least MUSIC. : : DJ TeleVision # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:32:08 -0400 (EDT) > But 672 posts about smoking a bowl or rolling a j are okay? I'm afraid I have to agree with oobie-boy here on this one. Trying to get people to stay on topic is pointless. And less fun anyways. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:32:54 EDT you obviously have emotional problems and i sorry for you. but i dont want to hear you whine anymore, so shut up BITCH!! DJ TeleVision In a message dated Fri, 1 Jun 2001 5:28:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oobe writes: << But 672 posts about smoking a bowl or rolling a j are okay? Here, I'll immediately make myself likeable by the Orb list: I like to smoke pot. No, I LOVE to smoke pot and listen to the Orb! Smoking pot ownz! POT POT POT!!! POT ALL DAY AND POT ALL NIGHT!!! MMMM HMMM!!! worthless "on topic" police... -=oobe : damn cant you prople take a hint?? we dont want to hear you bitch and whine at each other. go cry to your mom or someone else who cares. argue somewhere else. your long winded pointless arguments are making me want to puke. youre little flame war should have been moved off the list a long time ago. please chill and talk about something that has to do with the orb or at least MUSIC. : : DJ TeleVision >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:42:31 -0500 Does this mean you and I can't spend the rest of our years together, DJTV (nice name heh)? p.s. i'm not whining. i'm bitching. there's a difference fucko. -=oobe : you obviously have emotional problems and i sorry for you. but i dont want to hear you whine anymore, so shut up BITCH!! : : DJ TeleVision : # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:43:21 -0500 stop pulling my heart strings, Benji -=oobe : : I'm afraid I have to agree with oobie-boy here on this one. Trying : to get people to stay on topic is pointless. And less fun anyways. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:38:51 -0700 oobe wrote: > > TimC, Man about town. > > Pray tell, just how many WTO protestors did you talk to in Seattle? Where > do you live, Florida? What a douche bag. > > : The number of people I talked to who were > : actually protesting WTO for reasons of policy was actually pretty low. > : Most were just protesting to have some sort of activist agenda without > : really having had to think about it. > : > : T Ok, this is getting ridiculous. First, despite the off-topic nature of this thread, I have been posting the occasional observation to the list as I find it relevant - environmentalism vs. technology is a seemingly contradictory subject but is particularly relevant in electronic music and rave culture - especially as many participants are in fact anti-technology but using it to make the music or what have you. Second, you will notice I have not flamed anyone, just made reasoned arguments. Third, I lived in Seattle at the time of the protests; I talked to many protestors; I observed anti-capitalist bumper stickers and billboards, and I generally found the whole thing rather strikingly similar to other historical instances of mindless mob behavior. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:43:03 -0400 not one to dissapoint, eh? we might as well all bitch about something cause it don't look like this thread is going to stop anytime soon... ::p.s. i'm not whining. i'm bitching. there's a difference fucko. :: ::-=oobe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: (orb) oh the irony... Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:43:17 -0700 Wasn't it just earlier this week when someone new to the list posted about how impressed they were with how mellow and mature this list was? :/ Or is this just a conspiracy to annoy Lazlo enough to bring him back into participation on the list? (If only to apply well-deserved smackdown.) ObOrb: Not a damn thing. BadOrb.com still doesn't work; no new Orb dates for the US yet, and it will be at least a few more days before the 5/30 TeaTime set shows up (if Alex did one). Feh. :P Chris np: Love & Rockets - odds & sods compilation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) paradox Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:58:13 -0400 The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints; we spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life; we've added years to life, not life to years. We've been all the way to moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet the neighbor. We've conquered outer space, but not inner space; we've cleared up the air, but polluted the soul; we've split the atom, but not our prejudice. We have higher incomes, but lower morals; we've become long on quantity, but short on quality. These are the times of tall men, and short character; steep profits, and shallow relationships. These are the times of world peace, but domestic warfare; more leisure, but less fun; more kinds of food, but less nutrition. These are the days of two incomes, and more divorce; of fancier houses, but broken homes. It is a time when there is too much in the show window and nothing in the stockroom; a time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to make a difference, or just hit delete. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk dogood" Subject: (orb) monkey vs robot - another perspective on the flame wars Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:34:05 -1000 blah, blah blah blah blah blah hah hah blah. blah blah blaaaahhh, blah. blah blah blah blah!!! blah, blah blah blah. http://208.34.189.52/MonkeyVsRobot300k.asf blah, g _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: (orb) ? - Orb related, can you believe it Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:50:20 -0700 Question about samples during first track of Dr. LX P's Voyage into P - on my copy they sound actually bad, squelched out to the point that the static basically overruns the rest of the music going on. The disc also tracks poorly (very unusual behavior), skipping some during track 1 particularly. So question 1 is does anyone else experience this particularly unpleasant effect on the samples (I can see it being that way on purpose, but it also sounds potentially speaker-damaging), and question 2 is do I possibly have a defective disc? Thx, T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: RE: (orb) ? - Orb related, can you believe it Date: 01 Jun 2001 18:08:22 -0700 does anyone else experience this particularly unpleasant effect on the samples do I possibly have a defective disc? Haven't experienced those effects, and yes sounds like a bad disc to me. Picked out the Specials sample on track 2 and repeated again on track 7 though. I'm listening to a pre-release CD-R if that makes any difference. FVLL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) ? - Orb related, can you believe it] Date: 01 Jun 2001 21:46:59 EDT The first time I listenend to it, I had some "static"like feedback on tra= ck 1 as well, but giving it another good listen here @ home on a proper stereo= , I think it was just my car's CD player trying to compensate for the mile-lo= ng pothole they call a street 'round here... Sounds like you got a bum disc. I hate when that happens! Tim C wrote: So question 1 is does anyone else experience this particularly unpleasant effect on the samples (I can see it being that way on purpose, but it also sounds potentially speaker-damaging), and question 2 is do I possibly have a defective disc? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cygnus" Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:15:52 -0500 I use TrackMaker (freeware) -> http://www.heathcosoft.com/products/mp3trackmaker/index.html You can split to the minute/second. I use it to create tracks in the live shows from the cd tree. Then I convert to .wav and burn to disk without the laser skips between tracks. The latest version lets you pause in Winamp and grab the track position. Works like a charm. I have had problems tracking the Tea Time mp3's though. I've e-mailed the makers (of TrackMaker), and the only explanation they can provide is that the source file may be corrupt. I've tried on all the Tea Times on the OAA, so if anyone has clean mp3's of any Tea Times (but especially 1-25-01), please let me know - I'd be eternally grateful! cygnus > Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into > halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins > long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end. > I'm talking about mp3 to audio, rather than just burning the mp3 to a > cd............. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Cieszkowski" Subject: RE: (orb) Phone and technology Date: 02 Jun 2001 00:04:09 -0400 Sorry, just taking the piss...and enjoying the segue ===>First, I should point out that none of the above-mentioned countries are communist. I never said that they were invented in the U.S. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noraa selim Subject: (orb) orbradio Date: 02 Jun 2001 03:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Hey people, Was anyone lucky enough to record the orbradio stream from orblivion.com? (from a while back) I'd be intrested in getting a copy. Maybe upload it on a ftp or something? -peace out _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: (orb) Orb Sessions on Steve Lamacq Date: 02 Jun 2001 20:06:16 +0100 I've mixed together the four tracks from the Orb sessions on Steve Lamacq's show back in March. I've also edited out the talking! To anyone that's interested, I've uploaded it to the OAA. Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noraa selim Subject: (orb) orbradio thanks ¦₫ Date: 02 Jun 2001 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Just a quick and sincere "thank you" to whoever was kind enough to upload orbradio! Now I can relive the good ole day's of past. Thanks again! ¦₫ -peace out _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Cieszkowski" Subject: (orb) Fireman etc. Date: 02 Jun 2001 23:07:44 -0400 Today I was just browsing in a local used CD shop that is always closed whenever I go by and found The Fireman "Strawberries Oceans Ships Forest". Way cool, even better than "Rushes", Tangerine Dream "The Dream Mixes" and Eno "Ambient 2" Funny thing about "Ambient 2" is that I have "Ambient 1, Music for Airport" and "Ambient 4, On Land" and it never even occurred to me that there would in fact be a number 2 or 3. Andrew Cieszkowski "It's like something from another planet." Dr. LX Paterson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Splitting up mp3's Date: 03 Jun 2001 01:49:29 -0600 try goldwave. it's what i use and you can cut pretty much down to the thousandth of a second... > > I use TrackMaker (freeware) -> > http://www.heathcosoft.com/products/mp3trackmaker/index.html > > You can split to the minute/second. I use it to create > tracks in the live > shows from the cd tree. Then I convert to .wav and burn to > disk without the > laser skips between tracks. The latest version lets you > pause in Winamp and > grab the track position. Works like a charm. > > I have had problems tracking the Tea Time mp3's though. I've > e-mailed the > makers (of TrackMaker), and the only explanation they can > provide is that > the source file may be corrupt. I've tried on all the Tea > Times on the OAA, > so if anyone has clean mp3's of any Tea Times (but especially > 1-25-01), > please let me know - I'd be eternally grateful! > > cyg > original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: (orb) ftp's Date: 03 Jun 2001 04:25:28 EDT i been a little out of the loop lately caue i havnt really been reading all my e-mails and stuff. what is the addy to the OAA? i thought i had it but it said password not accepted. i want to get the new red worm track and the other recent downloads that have been upped to the ftp. someone just clue me in please, thank you. 24.1.153.3 this site says password not accepted, is it still up any help would be much appreciated thanks peoples. DJ TeleVision # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie" Subject: (orb) OAA Date: 03 Jun 2001 12:34:25 +0200 I cant seem to get anything to work from the Orb Audio Archive I am looking at .... www.spindlex.com/orbarchive/official.htm# Is this the correct orb audio archive site or is there maybe another one somewhere ? There seems to be some excellent sounds here but nothing seems to happen I cant seem to access the FTP2 site referenced here either ( 209.100.134.250 ) Any help would really be very gratefully appreciated Chuck ( I'm a newbie to this mailing list, so please forgive me if that was a dumb question ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ketley Subject: Re: (orb) Red Worm Thanks Date: 03 Jun 2001 04:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Anders, Red Worm and ERM. It's the OAA FTP home. 24.1.153.3 login orb password orb When logged-in go into the 'upload' directory. "Dictionary of the Khazars" is a lexicon novel based on stories of the Khazar people from around the 7th and 8th Century and subsequent searches for their history. The book is collated into three prospectives on the Khazar Question. The Jewish, the Moslem and the Christian who all attempted and all claimed to have coverted the Khazars to their religion. The Male and Female versions have a single differing page which makes a difference to the ending or how you perceive the ending. Have fun. Paul. ps The Naked Lunch - the book is far better - the movie does not capture any of Burroughs' drug induced descriptive permutations. Also Trainspotting - but that movie does come much closer. --- Anders Dam wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Say - could you rub some > of that powder on my lips? > oops..been watching naked > lunch recently (trip film) > > If you'd pass the pass > and location of red worm > I'd be most appreciative. > > Thanks man > :muzz > muzelic7@hotmail.com > :intergalactic scubadriver > :nozferatu inhanced rearviewmirror > :in. > :fnordish end > > > > > > > >Thanks to everyone who told me where to find the > "Red > >Worm" track. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul. > > > >>nr "The Dictionary of the Khazars" by Milorad > Pavic > >(female edition). > > > > What's that, sounds a cool idea with versions > (remixes) of books :) > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark weston" Subject: (orb) Cydonia Date: 03 Jun 2001 13:52:59 +0100 Please could a kind person please burn me a disc of all the tracks that didnt appear on the official release. Or if you have the cdr promos (double disc) and Version 2 could you copy for me. I do have some interesting items to trade. please mail back. Regards Mark W. Portsmouth UK. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CarsTrucksBuses@aol.com Subject: (orb) patterns and textures Date: 03 Jun 2001 13:17:18 EDT heylo, is there anyone out there who has their hands on some Orb vids (specifically Patterns and Textures, but anything will do fine...) who would be willing to copy them for me... i'd happily send you the blank tapes and returnable envelopes, so it would cost you nothing but a little time... peace n mind- tom ps- anyone have the FSOL lifeforms limited release vid? (I know this is a lost cause..hehe) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: markim Subject: (orb) real audio conversion II Date: 03 Jun 2001 10:59:28 -0700 (PDT) I was curious if there are any windows users out there that might be willing to rip some betalounge shows (non-orb related). If you are willing to rip'm to mp3 would be appreciated. show(s): 4.20.00 - teep, dj design, cinnamon underpants 6.03.00 - Mouse on Mars live from Expo 2000, Hanover, Germany 6.20.00 - Mr. Bollweevil at World Expo 2000 1.24.00 - Beta Lounge & Hifind Live from Midem 2000 - Rainer Trüby and 1.25.00 w/ Tiny Trendies Thank you ===== ICQ: 97589423http://www.geocities.com/minimal3000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Krieg Subject: (orb) Ouch! Date: 03 Jun 2001 14:08:16 -0700 This album has been out for almost 3 years, and finally the Bee Gees reac= t? http://in.news.yahoo.com/010426/48/t1y1.html Thursday April 26 2001, 4:55 PM Robbie vs. Bee Gees Robbie Williams had better watch out. The Bee Gees really don=92t like his cover of one of their tracks - but say they love all the others. The Saturday Night Fever hitmakers have been covered by scores of groups, ranging from pop act Steps - who did a version of Tragedy - to the likes of soul star Al Green. But while the brothers Gibb generally love the tributes to them, Robbie=92s collaboration with dance stars The Orb on I started a joke left them cold. Barry Gibb said, "The Robbie Williams version of I started a joke, was the kind of thing you hear in a lunatic asylum, fused with an old man with diarrhoea." He further added, "It was almost like somebody took it and said, =91How can I destroy this song in every way?=92 Well, he succeeded." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlie" Subject: (orb) OAA - Thanks ! Date: 03 Jun 2001 21:50:50 +0200 Just to say thanks for the help getting access to the OAA site. That is one mindboggling amount of music. And I thought I had some too. When I get a faster connection I'll upload some other stuff I have that I dont see there Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) monkey vs robot - another perspective on the flame wars Date: 03 Jun 2001 14:27:49 -0600 yes, this is very funny. i've got it stuck in head as i scroll through and filter out all the could be a helluva lot worse messages... > > > blah, > > blah blah blah blah blah hah hah blah. blah blah blaaaahhh, > blah. blah blah > blah blah!!! blah, blah blah blah. > > http://208.34.189.52/MonkeyVsRobot300k.asf > > blah, > g > > original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) crappage and more Date: 03 Jun 2001 17:19:39 -0400 (EDT) * not so fast Bush fanboy Do we need to forget that Clinton got millions of Dollars of illegal campaign contributions from Chinese interests? Does it really matter if he returns the money if he gets caught AFTER the election? And then it must be pure coincidence that Clinton pushes to get China permanent Most Favored Nation trade status, and tries to get them into the WTO, etc? * if that plane had ended up in the ocean--not in the hands of the Chinese. I 100% agree with this statement here, those guys are not heroes. However I don't think Bush tried give China that technology by having someone crash a plane. Unless of course you think that Clinton killed some US military personell by having them step on landmines in Bosnia? Sadly the reason those people are heroes and get awards, is because as a society, we cannot seem to handle any kind of tragedy, even though if you look around there is horrible tragedy everywhere in this country. But Clinton had 8 years of persidency to solve all of the ills of the country and he did not do it. Bush won't do it either. It will all be the same. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 03 Jun 2001 17:48:19 -0400 (EDT) * oh jeses christ. that's not what it's about, asshole. I swear to god, an * evironmentalist suggests we should pick up some trash and Vince blows it up * into that they are screaming armeggeddon. Another typical childish strategy * to disarm their argument. Let's not deal with their argument. Let's just * pretend that they are raving maniacs who want to turn the USA into a bunch * of beatnick communists. there's a term for that kind of strategy, Vince * It's called the politics of fear. The republiKan party are experts at it, * as a whole. I'm so fucking tired of that. Every fascist nation in the * history of the world gained power this way. Yet, you claim that * environmentalists are the ones closer to bringing this democracy down? * Pshhhh... Let's talk about this again at a time when the issue of what I * can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want * laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious * faith my children have to inundated with in the classroom (republiKans want * the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall and daily school prayer over the * PA). Then we can talk about abortion. Yeah, the environmentalists are the * ones coming for your freedoms... Aww just fuck right off with that nonsense. Funny I don't think that Vince ever said he was Republican. Is that just an assumption? I also like that fact that everything bad must be Republican and that the Democrats never do the same things. Lets see about freedoms. President Clinton rode a wave of support from the Gay community when he was elected President, with the promise of removing descrimination against gays in the military. Now did he actually fulfill that promise of allowing gays in the military? No he did not. He changed the policy to don't ask don't tell. But Gays are stillnot allowed in the military and are still removed from the military if anyone ever finds out that they are gay. This did cause Clinton some loss of support in the Gay community and made the newspapers. Did Clinton allow anyone to smoke joints or do other drugs? Nope. In fact he increased the budget for the war on drugs, making it higher then under the previous president a Republican George Bush Sr.. And I am not just saying a higher dollar value either, which could be accounted for by inflation, but actually a higher percentage of the budget. And when California allowed for medical marijuana, did he leave them alone? No he did not, he sent the federal government's forces after them, via the FBI and Janet Reno. The problem here is that most people in this country don't like drugs, and think they are a major problem (via most polls and studies taken). As long as that is the case, we will see every President treat them the same way. It does not matter if most people are swayed by stupid propoganda to make them hate drugs, they still do. Besides Clinton did not even have the balls to admit he smoked a joint. He said " I did not inhale". Why did he do this? Because he did not want to lose political standing with the majority of people, who all hate drugs. Funny, when we all saw Mayor Marion Barry (Democrat) of DC, smoking crack on video tape. He said "bitch set me up". Maybe if he said "I did not inhale", we would have forgiven him. Gee and he was a democrat, who smoked crack, did he legalize drugs? Nope. Now I don't like Clinton at all. I don't like Bush. I don't like Gore. But I think it is sad when people try to point out perceived ideological differences on issues, when they never will be enacted. * * Man, you are just a fucken expert on everything, aren't ya? Man... the Like everyone here is an expert on anything? * * Oh really? What is he is trying to say? I broke up his entire post. What * did I miss? What golden intellectual giblet did I not see? I wasn't * disagreeing with him as much as insulting him- because he obviously needed * it. He really made no points at all, but managed to expose himself as the * bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is. Anyway, Vince, * you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into intellectual * oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else. That long * tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and * * everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just * jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read * from someone who fancies himself as intelligent. I'll repeat: fucken * pathetic. * * -=oobe What is more pathetic trying to have a debate on subjects people have differing opinions on. Or just resorting to pointless name calling? jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: [(orb) Something unrelated but vastly important to everyone!] Date: 03 Jun 2001 18:14:39 -0400 (EDT) * * Incidentally by my nature I am extremely Left wing so I have a notable * critcism for Bush and other politically Right people's ideologies, secondly * I am not a great fan of 'patriotism' as all it seems to do is promote * imperialism/capitalism both of which contribute to Third World debt, and * only further compounds the problems of the world as wealth is so unevenly * distrubuted. * I would also point out that a signifigant amount of the problems in many poor and Third World countries comes from War. Most of the time that war is not some 1st world country, or more specific to this discussion, the US vs some Third World country. It is often groups within that country. Be it different tribes in African Nations, or different Religions in Bosnia. Some of it is brought on by leaders who want power and the money that comes with it, from controlling the nations banks, and natural resources, inciting people of their religion, race, etc. into patriotism.They then use that group to gain power. It is very difficult to come up with proof that the very existence of 1st World countries (has everyone even heard of a second world country?) creates or perpetuates the existence of 3rd world countries or the fact that they are poor. In fact one of the problems is that when money is given to such countries it often just lines the pockets of the leader. Or else jobs created by foriegn companies and investment does not have a completely positive effect. Some people have more money but the environment gets wrecked. But there again you can look at countries largely unaffected by 1st world money, like Indonesia. In Indonesia, the principle environmental problem is the yearly mass deforestation and the smog from the burning of those trees by poor sustenance farmers. jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Krieg Subject: (orb) Discography Updates Date: 03 Jun 2001 18:47:41 -0700 I just sent Lazlo a big update for his discography for whenever he gets the time to update it. It contains most of the Orb related stuff that's been released since Lazlo's last version, in Lazlo's format. If you use Lazlo's list to manage your collection and are interested in getting a copy of my update, just drop me an e-mail. You can then cut and paste the entries into the proper section of your list. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: M JH Subject: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2? Date: 03 Jun 2001 17:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July 10th release + release of volume 1 that same day. But what is the track listing of volume 2? Have I missed something? Please tell me it's not the original release split into 2 seperate purchases..... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005LMXT/qid=991613093/sr=1-1/ref=sc_m_1/107-4279378-7755735 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hardacid" Subject: (orb) towers of dub - solaris mix Date: 04 Jun 2001 01:11:20 -0400 Can someone upload this to the OAA? Thanks Regis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) 5/31 teatime featurn youth. Date: 04 Jun 2001 00:53:13 -0600 is NICE. just some fairly mellow and ambient records - the classic ambient house playlist (with a few exceptions.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JC DERRIEN Subject: (orb) OT : Sueno Latino Date: 04 Jun 2001 12:00:25 -0700 -- It's not completely Off-topic, as LX played sometimes this track on his DJ sets (and in fact, I'm looking one of his versions he played and that I don't have). Does anyone on the list has other versions than these ? Please let me know. Sueno Latino : Sueno Latino Kayestone Tribute Mix (radio edit) 3.38 Bushwacka ! Tek Mix 7.54 Kayestone Tribute Mix 8.21 The Latin Dream Mix (Edit) 3.55 The Latin Dream Mix 10.35 Cutmaster G Edit 3.48 Acapella Version 1.25 JCFromParis On now : Sueno Latino - Sueno Latino Kayestone Tribute Mix (radio edit) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) OT : Sueno Latino Date: 04 Jun 2001 20:40:36 +0800 At 12:00 PM 06-04-2001 -0700, you wrote: >-- >It's not completely Off-topic, as LX played sometimes this track on his DJ >sets (and in fact, I'm looking one of his versions he played and that I >don't have). > >Does anyone on the list has other versions than these ? >Please let me know. does E2:E4 by manuel gottsching count? :) Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee Blanch" Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 04 Jun 2001 14:11:33 -0000 * Oh really? What is he is trying to say? I broke up his entire post. What * did I miss? What golden intellectual giblet did I not see? I wasn't * disagreeing with him as much as insulting him- because he obviously needed * it. He really made no points at all, but managed to expose himself as the * bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is. Anyway, Vince, * you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into intellectual * oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else. That long * tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and * * everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just * jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read * from someone who fancies himself as intelligent. I'll repeat: fucken * pathetic. * * -=oobe What is more pathetic trying to have a debate on subjects people have differing opinions on. Or just resorting to pointless name calling? jon --------------- I would also like to point out that oobe is a 'chest thumping' 'amerikan' - self-admittedly. He said it in a personal email he sent me - not that I'm bitter. Now does this point out just a tad bit of hypocrisy here? (with the implied disgust he used the term, stated above, or was commending Vince on being one?) Lee. ------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:10:11 -0500 did cydonia leave you limp? dub trees is a must. first time listen i heard reminiscent bits of pomme fritz, chill out and floyd among with the thickest, stickiest dub tribal riffs anywhere. some fitting samples too. took me a month to track one down but well worth the effort. before you ask - no i will not make a copy of this for anyone...sorry. i am a collector not a cdr trader and i respect the artists. so good luck finding one of your very own. can anyone tell me what they thought of avalanches? 900 samples plus?? john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gordon" Subject: Re: (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:06:25 +0100 So! Are you going to tell us where you got your copy? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [Re: (orb) plant a dub tree] Date: 04 Jun 2001 11:44:35 EDT Y'know, there was a insert from the record label inside my copy of Dr. LX= 's... and it listed Dub Trees as on the label, as well as a website URL. Sorry= , I haven't got the CD with me today, so i can't post it right now, but I bet= you'd be able to get more info there. I've been meaning to check it out myself, but too many other things to buy right now! = "Gordon" wrote: So! Are you going to tell us where you got your copy? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gordon" Subject: Re: (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:46:22 +0100 Can anybody on the list tell me if there is anywhere on line i could buy this? Is there a record label site perhaps? g > ===>from a small record shop in milwaukee called atomic records. they had a > copy of the orb's breeseblock cdr too. cool little shop if your ever in the > area. and they will ship stuff to you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:53:12 -0500 > Y'know, there was a insert from the record label > inside my copy of Dr. LX's... and it listed Dub > Trees as on the label, as well as a website URL. http://www.liquidsounddesign.com/ JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: RE: [Re: (orb) plant a dub tree] Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:55:59 -0500 Y'know, there was a insert from the record label inside my copy of Dr. LX's... and it listed Dub Trees as on the label, as well as a website URL. Sorry, I haven't got the CD with me today, so i can't post it right now, but I bet you'd be able to get more info there. I've been meaning to check it out myself, but too many other things to buy right now! ===>www.dragonfly.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [RE: [Re: (orb) plant a dub tree]] Date: 04 Jun 2001 12:49:04 EDT Thanks all for the responses! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:10:11 -0500 did cydonia leave you limp? dub trees is a must. first time listen i heard reminiscent bits of pomme fritz, chill out and floyd among with the thickest, stickiest dub tribal riffs anywhere. some fitting samples too. took me a month to track one down but well worth the effort. before you ask - no i will not make a copy of this for anyone...sorry. i am a collector not a cdr trader and i respect the artists. so good luck finding one of your very own. can anyone tell me what they thought of avalanches? 900 samples plus?? john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dirk dogood" Subject: Re: [Re: (orb) plant a dub tree] Date: 04 Jun 2001 08:28:02 -1000 if yer in san francisco, i saw this cd at Ameoba last week... online - amazon.com has it in stock for $24.49 g >So! >Are you going to tell us where you got your copy? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:33:59 -0600 the reminiscent bits of fritz are excellent, i agree. i had to buy the avalanches on vinyl i was so impressed. i have a clip of the original frontier psychiatry samples if anyone is interested... > > > did cydonia leave you limp? dub trees is a must. first time > listen i heard > reminiscent bits of pomme fritz, chill out and floyd among with the > thickest, stickiest dub tribal riffs anywhere. some fitting > samples too. > took me a month to track one down but well worth the effort. > before you ask > - no i will not make a copy of this for anyone...sorry. i am > a collector > not a cdr trader and i respect the artists. so good luck > finding one of > your very own. > > can anyone tell me what they thought of avalanches? 900 > samples plus?? > > john > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 04 Jun 2001 19:59:12 -0600 it's the original (10 minutes or so) clip, taken from vinyl source (i assume). pretty intersting and quite funny... > > what clip do you mean here? film clip? > > i had to buy the > >avalanches on vinyl i was so impressed. i have a clip of > the original > >frontier psychiatry samples if anyone is interested... > > > >> > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noraa selim Subject: (orb) samplespotting Date: 04 Jun 2001 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Was just listening to ARM (one of the new tracks) and I recognised squarepushers "Come on my Selector" at about 2:06-2:09. It's slowed up a bit but pretty sure that it's him. -peace out _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Hlady Subject: (orb) Fake LX Fiasco Date: 05 Jun 2001 12:01:49 -0600 Just returned from my weekend in Vancouver where I did not see LX OR his imposter play a DAMN THING! No worries though, my girlfriend works for an airline so the flights were essentially free. I wouldn't be able to live without bloodshed had I actually paid for the flights. The poor bastard got arrested at his hotel before the vancouver orb massive arrived for the lynching. Apparently this fellow had identical piercings as LX and a fake passport. The poster on the door of the club ended with "legal action pending" so I assume LX or his label will be suing. My only discomfort with the whole ordeal is that a reply to the initial imposter warning was sent out by the promoter stating that they had the real LX. This leads me to believe they may have known all along, which makes me hate them more than the imposter himself. Thanks to dub hifi for grabbing me a ticket and the west coast flava :/~ before wettbar. While at the virgin music store I picked up their last copy of Voyage Into Paradise, but at a price of $35 Canadian = $22 US !! What have the rest of you been paying for this album? Not too bad of a visit, but I hope we have better luck with areaone! MikeD PS.- The true north strong and naive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Fake LX Fiasco Date: 05 Jun 2001 02:29:35 EDT i got mine for $23 tax included at the store by my house. In a message dated Tue, 5 Jun 2001 1:55:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael Hlady writes: While at the virgin music store I picked up their last copy of Voyage Into Paradise, but at a price of $35 Canadian = $22 US !! What have the rest of you been paying for this album? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2? Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:56:28 +0100 No idea what the track listing is.... Smiley? I know that Auntie Aubrey 2 is due for a release sometime in the next millenium (stated on the Orbsaurus), but not sure when it's going to be released? I've checked http://www.deviant.co.uk/, which was the label for Auntie Aubrey 1, and they don't mention anything about it... Anyone? Nick ;-) > Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but > Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July > 10th release + release of volume 1 that same day. But > what is the track listing of volume 2? Have I missed > something? Please tell me it's not the original > release split into 2 seperate purchases..... > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005LMXT/qid=991613093/sr > =1-1/ref=sc_m_1/107-4279378-7755735 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2? Date: 05 Jun 2001 11:11:17 +0100 CD NOW also list the album as being available on July 10th at http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1237957991/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/al bum.html/ArtistID=ORB/ITEMID=1395174 l8rs, Nick ;-) > No idea what the track listing is.... Smiley? > > I know that Auntie Aubrey 2 is due for a release sometime in the next > millenium (stated on the Orbsaurus), but not sure when it's going to be > released? > > I've checked http://www.deviant.co.uk/, which was the label for Auntie > Aubrey 1, and they don't mention anything about it... > > > Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but > > Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July > > 10th release + release of volume 1 that same day. But > > what is the track listing of volume 2? Have I missed > > something? Please tell me it's not the original > > release split into 2 seperate purchases..... > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005LMXT/qid=991613093/sr > > =1-1/ref=sc_m_1/107-4279378-7755735 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2? Date: 05 Jun 2001 11:45:05 +0100 (BST) Nick wrote: > No idea what the track listing is.... Smiley? nope - i put together a 2MD set as a possible tracklisting for AA2, but that was 2-3 years ago now... > I know that Auntie Aubrey 2 is due for a release > sometime in the next millenium (stated on the > Orbsaurus), but not sure when it's going to be > released? i wouldn't hold yer breath! cheers, --- Smiley ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2? Date: 05 Jun 2001 20:32:02 +0800 >Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but >Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July >10th release + release of volume 1 that same day. that'd be nice, really - 4 years without any new Orb albums and then we get two in the one year. :) Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) Fake LX Fiasco] Date: 05 Jun 2001 08:52:30 EDT $21 including tax. Gotta love a good local that supports "the scene." Michael Hlady wrote: While at the virgin music store I picked up their last copy of Voyage Int= o Paradise, but at a price of $35 Canadian =3D $22 US !! What have the rest of you b= een paying for this album? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2? Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:25:55 -0400 (EDT) > nope - i put together a 2MD set as a possible > tracklisting for AA2, but that was 2-3 years ago > now... I wrote to deviant a couple of times and I heard from this woman christine who works there that they expect release sometime towards the end of this summer. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= Subject: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping? Date: 05 Jun 2001 16:47:30 +0200 (CEST) Hi, It seems ordering still don``t work on www.badorb.com, will it ever work????Orders should be placed till 21st June,hahahaa!! If Smiley got some records (BOB 1+3) in london, could it get an official release? What kind of shop was it, the orb``s fan shop? Besides the AFD Remix is really wonderful, the orb mix is quiet nice, a voice is telling something about hypnotic drums, the Coldcut mix is great. CY, Christoph __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason I Hicks Subject: (orb) Voyage into Paradise Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Streetlight records in Santa Cruz is selling it for $16.98 (although I managed to find a used copy, for the not so used price of $11.95), so I wouldn't pay much more for it. They are also selling the dub trees CD for $17.98, although I found it on a web site (sorry can't remember the URL!) for $13.87 yesterday. Let's all hold our collective breaths for Auntie Aubrey 2 and badorb! :) ikki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Voyage into Paradise Date: 05 Jun 2001 13:18:03 -0400 (EDT) > Let's all hold our collective breaths for Auntie Aubrey 2 and badorb! :) Has anyone else noticed that badorb is totally down right now? Maybe they've finally got their collective asses in gear and are currently migrating to/deploying the new web site? :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2 Date: 05 Jun 2001 13:46:15 -0400 anyone know what artists will be covered on this one? i think U2 will be on there... The Orb "like nothing you've ever heard before" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2 Date: 05 Jun 2001 13:55:31 -0400 (EDT) > anyone know what artists will be covered on this one? i think U2 will be on > there... To this day, I can't figure out why people are so into the U2 remix... I mean, yeah its rare and yeah its unreleased, but its in the breezeblock set and from what I can tell its not really very good. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2 Date: 05 Jun 2001 14:56:41 -0400 actually i heard it was going to be on AA2 a long time ago and that was the last i heard about it... if their is rare Orb track out people are going to want to listen to it, even if ti sucks... :: To this day, I can't figure out why people are so into the U2 ::remix... I mean, yeah its rare and yeah its unreleased, but its in the ::breezeblock set and from what I can tell its not really very good. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: matthew glidden Subject: (orb) aubrey mixes '91 vs. '94 ? Date: 05 Jun 2001 21:27:07 -0400 greetings all, i recently procured a copy of the aubrey mixes cd after many years, and i'm wondering how to tell the difference between the '91 and the '94 reissue? looking at the discography, the numbers are the same (BLR CD14) and it's big life/wau! mr. modo...mine says copyright 1991, but i'm wondering if it's different on the '94? for reference, the other numbers on the disc are "511811-2" and "LC6816". i see stuff in the discography about the "Nimbus matrix #" and "Mayking matrix #", but i have no idea what that is... anyway, i'm being obsessive, but oh well...it's the aubrey mixes! ;) if anyone could lemme know, i'd be most appreciative... thanks, matt. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) aubrey mixes '91 vs. '94 ? Date: 05 Jun 2001 18:33:51 -0700 matthew glidden wrote: > i recently procured a copy of the aubrey mixes cd after many years, and Congratulations! > i'm wondering how to tell the difference between the '91 and the '94 > reissue? looking at the discography, the numbers are the same (BLR CD14) > and it's big life/wau! mr. modo...mine says copyright 1991, but i'm > wondering if it's different on the '94? for reference, the other numbers > on the disc are "511811-2" and "LC6816". i see stuff in the discography > about the "Nimbus matrix #" and "Mayking matrix #", but i have no idea what > that is... > > anyway, i'm being obsessive, but oh well...it's the aubrey mixes! ;) if > anyone could lemme know, i'd be most appreciative... Look at the center of the CD, near the hub, on the bottom surface. There will be text reading either "MASTERED BY NIMBUS" or something with Mayking. The Nimbus one is the first pressing, the Mayking one is the re-press. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Roby Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2 Date: 05 Jun 2001 22:20:07 -0400 Of course, here's hoping AA2 is in *stereo*... ;) Justin Roby # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2 Date: 06 Jun 2001 03:56:38 +0100 Well, according to the Orbsaurus, it will be, together with the reissue of AA1!! "AUNTIE AUBREY: Soon to be repressed. In Stereo." l8rs, Nick ;-) > Of course, here's hoping AA2 is in *stereo*... ;) > > Justin Roby # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping? Date: 06 Jun 2001 04:00:37 +0100 Yes, it does seem to have all gone quiet on the badorb front - again!!! Promos of BOB 1-3 are doing the rounds... I think that Esprit has a copy of the BOB2 promo for about 15 quid (or at least they did have)... THE ORB Badorb.com (2001 UK 2-track promo 'eye' picture label 12", custom picture sleeve BOB2) Anyone have any more info on the badorb releases?? l8rs, Nick ;-) > It seems ordering still don``t work on www.badorb.com, > will it ever work????Orders should be placed till 21st > June,hahahaa!! > If Smiley got some records (BOB 1+3) in london, could > it get an official release? What kind of shop was it, > the orb``s fan shop? > > Besides the AFD Remix is really wonderful, the orb mix > is quiet nice, a voice is telling something about > hypnotic drums, the Coldcut mix is great. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Roby Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2 Date: 06 Jun 2001 08:55:15 -0400 Yay! BTW, according to CDNow, AA2 is being put out by Ultra Records (www.ultrarecords.com), who, for some reason, list the tour dates for the Orb on the Area One tour... but no listing of upcoming releases is to be found on the site. Justin > From: "Nick King" > Reply-To: > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:56:38 +0100 > To: "'ORB@LISTS.XMISSION.COM'" > Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2 > > > Well, according to the Orbsaurus, it will be, together with the reissue of > AA1!! > > "AUNTIE AUBREY: Soon to be repressed. In Stereo." > > l8rs, > > > Nick ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gliddenm@nettaxi.com" Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping? Date: 06 Jun 2001 08:33:52 -0700 >It seems ordering still don``t work on www.badorb.com, >will it ever work????Orders should be placed till 21st >June,hahahaa!! >If Smiley got some records (BOB 1+3) in london, could >it get an official release? What kind of shop was it, >the orb``s fan shop? here's another question...i thought these were supposed to be pressed in limited quantities just for the people that pre-ordered them thru the website..if that's the case, what are these doing floating around london? (although i understand some promos were also given away @ orb shows over the past few months) matt. (patiently waiting for the good word from garphoo) Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SEBENNE Johan Subject: (orb) AA2 - track listing Date: 06 Jun 2001 17:52:00 +0200 Hi, Here's what we can see on tower records website : Auntie Aubrey's Excursions... Part 2 Disc 1: 3 A.M. Eternal - The KLF (Blue Danube mix) Staring At The Sun - Wendy & Lisa (Re-Mix-In-A-Carnation) Crystal Clear - The Grid (Clear As An Unmuddied Lake mix) Sunburst - System & 777 - System 7 Music For A Sound Harmonium -Penguin Cafe Orchestra Time To Make You Mine - Lisa Stansfield (In My Dreams mix) Higher Than The Sun - Primal Scream (Higher Than The Orb mix) Mother Dawn - Blue Pearl Globe, The - B.A.D. II Movin' - Marathon (Orbital Ambientapella mix) O Je Suis Seul - West India Company (Orient Express mix) Disc 2: Zombie - The Cranberries (Camels Humpo remix) Perfect Drug, The - Nine Inch Nails (22.8cm Screws mix) Jo The Waiter - Tubeway Army Art Of Love - Art Of Noise Sentinel (Orbs Of Light) - Mike Oldfield Beams Of Light - Pato Banton Crappage - Front 242 (Never Hurry A Murray mix) Red Summer - Sun Electric (Orb Koskiewics mix) Lily Was Here (Space Medical Unit Hum) - Dave Stewart Halleluwah (Halleluna Orbus II) - Can Reefer Song - Mindless Drug Hoover(Grass Garden Of... mix) Angel Art - Witchman Release date: 07/10/2001 Label: Ultra Records # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: (orb) Art of Noise: Art of Love Date: 06 Jun 2001 11:15:57 -0500 This is now on AA2. I have this CD Single. Youth is credited for the remix and Alex is credited as the DJ. I've never really known what to think of this. What did he contribute? I wonder if this is a case of him just adding a few samples after the bulk of the work was done. ??? "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." D. Banner DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bbbrooo@aol.com Subject: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:56:43 EDT Does anyone know if a clone would have similar music appreciation and abilities as the original person? Would a genetic clone Alex produce similar remixes? Perhaps the only thing to really compare it to is identical twins. Generally do identical twins have similar musical appreciation and talent or is individual interests and experience, the factor. Anyone know anything about this? cheers bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:26:28 -0500 I think some friends and I encountered the LX clone on April 23 wandering the book section of the Virgin Megastore in Chicago. Why do I think this? - He trainwrecked a bunch of times during his instore set. I know LX is hardly the most technically skilled DJ, but this was fairly cringe-inducing stuff. - He was aloof--in fact, he was downright rude--to a couple of friends of mine whose dream it was to meet the man and who presented him with a free pack of (excellent) vinyl from their small record label. Hardly the friendly, approachable, affable LX that's been described ad nauseum on this list. Anyone else run into this impostor? It was a decidedly unpleasant experience. My friends used to worship the man, and now think he's just an asshole. And not a very good DJ, either. These opinions are not necessarily my own, but I can't really blame my friends for having them. I shot the breeze (separately) with him in the book section about the technical problems they'd had in Detroit (ADATs blowing up, etc.) and didn't so much find him rude as much wonder whether he might have some kind of social anxiety disorder or something. But I too was surprised after reading again and again on this list about how apparently open he is to interacting with fans. Maybe he was just having a bad day. Or maybe it was the clone... JG PS - Well-considered rebuttals are welcome, but please don't flame me out of some "LX is god and dissing him is blasphemy" stance, thanks very much. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:54:02 -0500 he(LX) might have some kind of social anxiety disorder or something. ===>yeah its called years of marijuana addiction. anxiety becomes a fun side effect for everyone to enjoy. but really, i would imagine that the stress of the tour was probably producing more anxiety than anything. john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: Re: (orb) towers of dub - solaris mix / (orb) plant a dub tree Date: 06 Jun 2001 14:27:44 -0700 >From: "hardacid" >Subject: (orb) towers of dub - solaris mix > >Can someone upload this to the OAA? It's already done, actually! ... look in the Uploads folder. Someone was kind enough to upload the version from /The Visitor/, but in my opinion that version is recorded at the wrong speed. I took the liberty of uploading a version that is pitched up 10%, which to me sounds right. Enjoy one, enjoy both, but by all means enjoy for a fine mix it is indeed. >From: John Moxness >Subject: (orb) plant a dub tree > >did cydonia leave you limp? dub trees is a must. Agreed. I too have made a point of not uploading this, and encourage anyone interested to order it directly from Youth's Dragonfly label, as any of his other dub projects are well worth getting as well. www.dragonfly.co.uk I got my Dub Trees from Backroads ... www.backroadsmusic.com Still looking forward to the new Greg Hunter and Thrash albums on Electric Melt ... anyone heard any news on these? -=Seofon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Bailey Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:51:30 -0600 > think some friends and I encountered the LX clone on April 23 wandering > the book section of the Virgin Megastore in Chicago. Why do I think this? He did a bunch of these Virgin sets, it was probably the real human. > - He was aloof--in fact, he was downright rude--to a couple of friends of > mine whose dream it was to meet the man I thought he was kind of rude to me too--maybe I had some sort of "hero worship glaze" on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates, although I tried not to express it. :) And is he in the habit of writing nasty messages when signing albums? Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 17:01:34 -0500 > He did a bunch of these Virgin sets, > it was probably the real human. Just for the record: I know this was the real LX; my talk of "the clone" was mere sarcasm, riffing on the clone/impostor messages of late. JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 17:02:47 -0500 > maybe I had some sort of "hero worship glaze" > on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates I don't remember hearing that before. Anyone care to elaborate/illustrate? JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CD Rich Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 18:48:50 -0400 On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:51:30 -0600 Mike Bailey writes: > And is he in the habit of writing nasty messages when signing albums? > Mike I had him autograph the booklet from Perpetual Dawn when I saw him DJ at Motor a couple of years ago. He wrote "In Orb We Truzt. Love LX '99", which I didn't think was nasty. Cheers, CDRich CDs for sale or trade - new CDs added every Sunday: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/6749/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 22:23:02 -0400 > He trainwrecked a bunch of times during his instore set. I know LX is > hardly the most technically skilled DJ, but this was fairly cringe-inducing > stuff. I'm going to have to disagree. I've seen him do shit with ambient that turntablists w/ hip hop only dream of doing. like looping to records by hand. his sets are eclectic and after the ninja tune camp, he's the only one dropping vocal samples thougout. to top it all off, he mixes with cds, tapes and vinyl... so he's quite the busy man in the booth. -e # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 22:25:19 -0400 > I thought he was kind of rude to me too--maybe I had some sort of "hero > worship glaze" on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates, although > I tried not to express it. :) And is he in the habit of writing nasty > messages when signing albums? The one signature i have says: "Much Love from the Ultraworld... LX" -e # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noraa selim Subject: (orb) red worm on groovetech Date: 06 Jun 2001 21:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Anyone catch the track Redworm on the 8-2-1 Groovetech session at around 157:50? I just think this funny cuz it's been around for a while and we had no way of knowing it was him. Kinda makes me wonder how many other songs of his he has played under our ignorant collective nostrils. ¦₫ -peace out _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 06 Jun 2001 21:24:31 -0700 (snip) > > hardly the most technically skilled DJ, but this was fairly > cringe-inducing > > stuff. > > I'm going to have to disagree. > I've seen him do shit with ambient that turntablists w/ hip hop only > dream of doing. like looping to records by hand. (snipped so reply doesn't bounce) Right, I (dis)agree here as well. I've heard him mix jungle incredibly seamlessly, doing crossfader antics and so forth without even thinking about it - he actually seemed disinterested in the proceedings and rather distracted. (To comment on another thread; after his set he signed my Terrarum insert (the one that goes behind the clear disc holder - looks neat) "In Orb we trust, (heart) LX.")(And further related - he was really quite chill and amiable both signing stuff and later when I was hanging out on the tour bus with him and Meat Beat Manifesto - I don't mean to name drop but jeez I never get that lucky. At any rate, it's well known that touring is full of promotional duties and so forth, so I'd be pretty understanding if the guy was in any kind of mood while dealing with them.) As far as hearing a mistake or what not, well, yeah, I've heard him goof up maybe a couple of times, but that happens to all DJs - everyone gets so obsessed if a guy gets off a little bit, but I'd much rather hear someone creatively program a set and mess up a couple times than play a boring set full of long, flawless mixes - the latter is by far the rule rather than the exception. Names not named as who needs another flame war but you know who you are.... T "Youth of the galaxy, the time has come to demand your freedom!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason I Hicks Subject: (orb) devinelipswitch Date: 07 Jun 2001 15:19:29 -0700 (PDT) hey everybody! Just downloaded a napster file called "devinelipswitch" that may or may not be Orb, consisting of about 38 minutes of digital weirdness. Anyone know anything about this? Any info much appreciated. PS What about that track called "Microphone test" that someone mentioned awhile back? I don't think its Orb, but would love to find out that it is and where the hell it came from. ikki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Wolfe" Subject: Re: (orb) devinelipswitch Date: 07 Jun 2001 17:22:47 -0500 > Just downloaded a napster file called "devinelipswitch" that may > or may not be Orb, consisting of about 38 minutes of digital weirdness. > Anyone know anything about this? Any info much appreciated. This is not the Orb. Like the title Says, It's Richard Devine, and it's of his album Lipswitch. On Warp records/ Schematic Records. If you like it, pick it up.. It's not rare at all... Richard's a great guy, I had him come and play a show here in Chicago, Was pretty damn cool! Sean (PS I dob't this message will makie it to the list, for some reason it rejects all my messages, so if it doesn't make it. Please forward it to the list.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Wolfe" Subject: Re: (orb) devinelipswitch Date: 07 Jun 2001 17:22:47 -0500 > Just downloaded a napster file called "devinelipswitch" that may > or may not be Orb, consisting of about 38 minutes of digital weirdness. > Anyone know anything about this? Any info much appreciated. This is not the Orb. Like the title Says, It's Richard Devine, and it's of his album Lipswitch. On Warp records/ Schematic Records. If you like it, pick it up.. It's not rare at all... Richard's a great guy, I had him come and play a show here in Chicago, Was pretty damn cool! Sean (PS I dob't this message will makie it to the list, for some reason it rejects all my messages, so if it doesn't make it. Please forward it to the list.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hardacid" Subject: RE: (orb) devinelipswitch Date: 07 Jun 2001 21:06:41 -0400 By the way...does anyone know if this is the same Richard Devine that put out a record on Six Sixty Six Records out of Milwaukee? (Drop bass)? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 07 Jun 2001 20:52:24 -0400 > the latter is by far the rule rather than the exception. Names > not named as who needs another flame war but you know who you are.... *cough*oakenfold*cough* -xenlab # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Bryan" Subject: (orb) more UK/live stuff to encode? a call to arms Date: 07 Jun 2001 21:28:08 -0400 saw this on ebay, & lately you guys over there have been mp3ing up BBC orb stuff, like the new tracks from Lamacq. when I first got on the orb list (at least 7-8 years?), I had no idea I'd be able to hear songs from uk radio...I think all we had were a couple 30 second .au samples (whee!) the ftps are becoming great compendiums of out o' print orb stuff...its amazing! I count nearly 10 gigs, 579 tracks, I don't know if winamp is accurate but it says 124 hours 4 minutes 41 seconds of orb stuff. that's quite a lot, I'd say. quite a treat for us fans...what I'm asking for is if people will encode some of their stuff, like UK stuff they've taped off the radio (are there any missing peel sessions?) or this mark radcliffe session, or like that BBC highlight on Adventures where they interviewed lx (I know that was in real audio), or that Le Petit Orb show from canada that was in RA (I think I had it but it got corrupted), or anything like that, I know Gavin & others have live shows (that they understandably may not want to give up), but if anyone has anything, lets get it going! we could even get a small CDR tree going for the rarer stuff (altho the 6ish gigs I have besides the 3.5 gig mp3 project would be a lot of cds)... or if there are more servers, I could let you synch up so we all have the same stuff, since I know my site is pretty bandwidth ltd... just an idea ant ----- BBC Radio One Presents: The Mark Radcliffe Sessions side a: 01. nick cave & the bad seeds - o'malley's bar (part 1) 02. baby bird - goodnight 03. teenage fanclub - the shadows 04. salad - kiss my love 05. tindersticks - she's gone side b: 01. echobelly - car fiction 02. ride - i don't know where it comes from 03. suede - my insatiable one 04. the boo radleys - find the answer within 05. the orb - montagne d'or this is a cassette given away with VOX magazine in 1996 featuring some exclusive in-studio performances on the Mark Radcliffe show on BBC Radio 1. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gloria Davy" Subject: RE: (orb) devinelipswitch Date: 08 Jun 2001 01:48:35 -0000 >By the way...does anyone know if this is the same Richard Devine that >put out a record on Six Sixty Six Records out of Milwaukee? (Drop bass)? It sure is..... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Miller Subject: (orb) Mouse On Mars USA tour Date: 07 Jun 2001 22:32:23 -0700 (PDT) MOUSE ON MARS & Vert: usa & canada tour 2001 6/7 Philadelphia, Trocadero (w/Vert) 6/8 Washington DC, 9:30 (w/Vert) 6/9 Chapel Hill, Cat's Cradle (w/Vert) 6/10 Atlanta, Cotton Club (w/Vert) 6/12 Austin, Stubb's (w/Tortoise/Takemura/Vert) 6/13 Houston, Numbers (w/Tortoise/Takemura/Vert) 6/14 New Orleans, Howling Wolf (w/Tortoise/Takemura) 6/15 Dallas, Gypsy Ballroom (w/Tortoise/Takemura/Vert) 6/17 Los Angeles, El Rey (w/Vert, Prefuse 73) 6/18 San Francisco, Great American-2 SHOWS (w/Prefuse 73-Early, w/Vert-Late) 6/19 Santa Cruz, The Rio (w/Vert, Prefuse 73) 6/21 Portland, B Complex (w/Vert, Prefuse 73) 6/22 Vancouver, Richards on Richards (w/Vert, Prefuse 73) 6/23 Seattle, Graceland (w/Vert, Prefuse 73) 6/26 Minneapolis, First Avenue (w/Vert) 6/27 Chicago, Metro (w/Vert) 6/29 Detroit, Majestic Theatre (w/Vert) 6/30 Toronto, Lee's Palace (w/Vert) 7/1 Montreal, Cabaret Music Hall (w/Vert) 7/2 Boston, Middle East (w/Vert) 7/3 New York, Irving Plaza (w/Vert) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Jan Bijleveld" Subject: (orb) I Love Serge / New founds Date: 08 Jun 2001 09:04:22 +0200 Just came back from a short trip to France. Found the 'I love Serge' tribute-cd in the local Carrefour Hypermarket. Also bought the new Air album and the Virgin Suicides soundtrack. The week before I went to France, I went to a record fair here in Amsterdam. Found the brown Once More promo on CD. Also found a 14 track (including EDM) sampler of Cydonia. Greetz, RJ www.orbology.com now playing: Air - The Virgin Suicides now smoking: White Widow now drinking: Lemon tea # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 08 Jun 2001 14:05:19 +0100 Whoever it was that asked about the twins and music thing:- I'm an identical twin and I can say we have very similar interests. My bro isn't that into the Orb, but he will listen to it if I stick it on. He sort of went off them in '92 but I remember being with him when we got Huge ever on Vinyl from Warp records so he was into them at some point. I think he even had a T-shirt from the Ultraword tour so he must have been. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AMKontrabecki Subject: (orb) public praise for Rachel Date: 08 Jun 2001 09:23:56 -0700 Morning all... I was VERY surprised to find the 400+ emails overfilling my inbox when I got back from vacation. There were some worked up tempers, eh? Maybe we should all meet up once a year to really slug it out in the flesh? Anyways, this is merely a big Thank You going out to Rachel. You single handedly whipped up my vacation into the stuff of legend. Okay well it was just great, not legendary. Seriously, thanks a lot Rachel for everything. Anne says hi. Orb content: I'm looking forward to the ex-Orb members new releases on Electric Melt. I know it was just recently mentioned here, but anyone who purchases them should give the list a heads up. I'm also interested in AA2, the tracklisting looks good, but not great, still two new Orb releases in one year!! We're all getting spoiled now. Does this mean we won't get anything for 8 years after this? Here's to BadOrb working sometime soon... Hey did anyone reading this far get 'Solesides Greatest Bumps'? If so what's your favourite disc of all four? I'm having a hard time deciding... AMKontrabecki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ketley Subject: (orb) Aubrey 2 - release date? Date: 08 Jun 2001 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT) To all, Is the release date the 10th of July or the 7th of October. Paul. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SEBENNE Johan Subject: Re: (orb) Aubrey 2 - release date? Date: 08 Jun 2001 16:41:23 +0200 Hi, What I have seen is: "Vol. 2-Auntie Aubrey's Excursion - The orb. This item will be released on July 10, 2001. " Bye, Johan Paul Ketley wrote: > To all, > > Is the release date the 10th of July or > the 7th of October. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) OT - Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatry - Original Sample Set Date: 08 Jun 2001 14:53:27 -0600 I upped this to the OAA for whoever wanted it (can't remember.) Sorry to take so long... jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: (orb) OT: Bored? Try this to waste some time. Date: 08 Jun 2001 17:15:33 -0400 go to www.shockwave.com click games. you should see a pic of some pink hair'd freak. his name is DJ FU... in his game you have to collect records and play them on color coded turntables. the more records you mix the more points you recieve. it's pretty neat for about 15 minutes. oh, and there's this sample of a guy saying "A Race of Ninja DJs" You have to touch one of the TVs in the game to here it. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) nothing to do with the Orb - but interesting... Date: 08 Jun 2001 17:33:10 -0400 ...genetic engineering... http://www.msnbc.com/news/584617.asp np: Lateralus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr.Winston O'Boogie" Subject: (orb) CD: 1991 UK (Big Life; BLR CD14 / 511811-2) [orig.; Nimbus matrix #] Sorry for this OFF.T thread don't wanna make the list a market place! SORRY! Date: 09 Jun 2001 11:18:07 +0200 G' day all! Is there someone on the list with a spare copy of CD: 1991 UK (Big Life; BLR CD14 / 511811-2) [orig.; Nimbus matrix #] In MINT Condition? My Nimbus matrix is not playing well any more. I promise that I'll pay You very good for a Mint copy of it! I'm desperate here.. :/ Contact me in private, sorry for the intrusion. Cheers, Dr.Winston O'Boogie - www.uf-orb.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nico Baars" Subject: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 09 Jun 2001 14:48:13 +0200 Yesterday I was at the Drum Rhythm Festival in Amsterdam to see and hear The Bays (amongst others like Basement Jaxx) The Bays is a live band only from Tom & Mark with a drummer, bassist and some sample & keyboard wizzards. And I completely lost my mind!!!! Long ambient soundscapes, jazzy and funky beats, loads of samples (voices and effects) and a set that goes from deep trippy stuff to heavy drum 'n bass and again from the most beautiful soundscapes into dub and from that into uplifting deephouse and some breakbeats. They not only enjoyed us, but they seemed to have a very good time themselves also. It reminds me of The Orb in 1994 playing also with a drummer, bassist and percussionist. Bays also used loads of voicesamples, heavy basslines and some beautiful ambience. When you have a change to see and hear this band, please do so. You won't be disappointed!! Nico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marcolphus Subject: (orb) Request Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:10:36 +0200 Can someone provide me the times for the following tracks? The Orb - Passing of Time (film mix) Another Fine Day: Scarborough Fair (orb's hairborough fair mix) Big Audio Dynamite II: The Globe (by the orb ambient mix) D.H.S.: House of God (orb mix) Love Kittens: What Goes On? (orbient mix) Saxophonettes: Secret Squirrel (orb-ient mix) Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 5) Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 6) Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 7) Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 8) Zodiac Youth: Fast Forward The Future (buckets and bongs mixture) Thanks in advance!! -- == http://i.am/marcolphus ====== Fluke & Voo Voo discographies == # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:22:54 -0400 Do they have any releases? this sounds awesome... Has anybody heard of Bullfrog? It's Kid Koala (chinese-canadian turntablist extrodinaire on the ninja tune label) performing "skratch-skits" on the back drop of a funk band he's been playing with for over half his life (he's like 27 and they've been togethor in canada for about 15 years I believe). Great, Great Stuff. -eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon" Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco! Date: 09 Jun 2001 16:27:04 -0700 Quoth John Goelzer : > > > > maybe I had some sort of "hero worship glaze" > > on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates > > I don't remember hearing that before. Anyone care to elaborate/illustrate? Jack Dangers actually has several amusing stories about LX going so far as to make little girls cry when they approach him with too many stars in their eyes. I don't think he does it malevolently, he's just a sassy geezer having some fun. Of course, if you approach him late on at a gig, he's likely to be flying high, so who knows what'll come out of his mouth. I had a real nice conversation with him once about the CIA and giant holograms that made no sense whatsoever (but apparently had something to do with 'Pomme Fritz'). I think the point is this: LX is essentially a nice guy. But he won't go miles out of his way to be nice to you if he's not feeling it. This is actually a debate that stars of all kinds have to deal with. Do you put on a smiley face for your fan no matter how shitty the circumstances, or do you place the burden of responsibility on the fan to treat you like a real person? I can only imagine what LX has to deal with ... -=Seofon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Agust A J Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 10 Jun 2001 02:21:01 +0000 At 18:22 9.6.2001 -0400, you wrote: >Do they have any releases? this sounds awesome... erm... what stuff of theirs are you refering to? and yes, they r0xx0rz kthx plz they made some incredible aurally pleasing stuff... head over to http://www.allmusic.com & do a search for Global Communication & read up on all the links you can chase from there. FIND! BUY! Global Communication: 76 14 (aka 76:14 aka that ear thingy album) Global Communication: Pentamerous Metamorphosis (anyone got the original '94 version? cdr plz? or sell original? :) Global Communication: The Way / The Deep (good luck on locating the 6 track version :p Global Communication: The Groove (/me melts.... track 6 = .... *drool*) Reload: A Collection of Short Stories The Theory of Evolution (warpcd29/evcd010) Link & E621: Antacid ep (wap 59cd/ev007cd) Jedi Knights: New School Science heck, find all of their stuff beg buy borrow steal it all and have a wonderful great lovely time --- Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net free your :) [tm] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks! Date: 09 Jun 2001 23:41:05 -0500 OOBE: Wow. Anyone who talks like that and acts like that obviously doesn't have a grip. How could anyone even dare try and have a conversation/discussion with you? You are rude, inconsiderate, vile, vulgar, nasty, unruly, and just plain idiotic. Please calm down and think before you spout off your little diatribic nonsense. -=brian=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AMKontrabecki Subject: (orb) free Bullfrog show(sorry, no Orb) Date: 10 Jun 2001 10:54:05 -0700 > Has anybody heard of Bullfrog? It's Kid Koala (chinese-canadian > turntablist extrodinaire on the ninja tune label) performing > "skratch-skits" on the back drop of a funk band he's been playing with > for over half his life (he's like 27 and they've been togethor in > canada for about 15 years I believe). > -eric Hey hey, I was wondering if I should check out Bullforg & Kid Koala not even 10 blocks from my studio. July 21 7:30pm Prospect Park bandshell [Bklyn]. I guess from the above review I'll be there, any other NYC orbies care to join me? For Free!! AMKontrabecki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NYCnoises@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping? Date: 10 Jun 2001 13:40:36 EDT In a message dated 6/6/01 11:34:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gliddenm@nettaxi.com writes: << although i understand some promos were also given away @ orb shows over the past few months) >> True I was lucky to get BOB2 at the show in NYC - - - -- - --- --Chris in NYC - -- ---- - - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 10 Jun 2001 15:40:25 -0400 I meen the funk laden stuff you were referring to in your earlier post. I have some of globabl communication's stuff and a couple of Jedi cuts on a couple of mix CDs But you just saw them live with 'traditional' instruments.... that was what i was referring to. thanks :-) -e # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) san fran maritime show recording? Date: 10 Jun 2001 14:14:24 -0600 anyone get this? (gavin?) i have the realmedia sample but am looking for the show itself. don't have a whole lot to trade with someone who has this rarity (as they probably already have all that i do.) but please let me know if it's available. Thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) once more promo Date: 11 Jun 2001 01:34:13 -0600 wasn't someone looking for this...? http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1437457014 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:16:26 -0400 (EDT) > Has anybody heard of Bullfrog? It's Kid Koala (chinese-canadian > turntablist extrodinaire on the ninja tune label) performing > "skratch-skits" on the back drop of a funk band he's been playing with > for over half his life (he's like 27 and they've been togethor in > canada for about 15 years I believe). FYI: Kid Koala is much younger than 27... :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping? Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT) > << although i understand some promos were also given away @ orb shows over > the past few months) > >> True I was lucky to get BOB2 at the show in NYC - - - -- - --- You should give it to me! :) He only gave those promos out because he wanted an excuse to take the joint I was offering to him. :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) OT - R Phelan Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:47:42 -0600 R. Phelan from NY -- i lost your email but got the v2 cd today -- thanks and email me when you can!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren emerson and alex paterson? Date: 11 Jun 2001 18:53:41 -0600 anyone? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren emerson Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:54:54 -0700 bi11i wrote: > > anyone? Yes. :P Check the discography. Chris np: Thursday Teatime w/ The Orb 5/31/01 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nico Baars" Subject: (orb) Re: Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard Date: 12 Jun 2001 12:49:15 +0200 >> Do they have any releases? this sounds awesome... It really was awesome and The Bays were chosen as best act on a festival with acts like Basement Jaxx, Reprezant, Kenny Dope Gonzales, Jazzanova etc. etc. It's supposed to be a one time project for the Big Chill Festival in England last year. But reactions were so good they decided to do a few festivals this summer. As far as i know they're not planning an album ( i really hope they do a live album!!!!!) You can get a snapshot of the performance (about 11 minutes) at www.vpro.nl link Drum Rhythm Festival. Enjoy! Nico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren emerson and alex paterson?] Date: 12 Jun 2001 08:45:52 EDT I have it - check it out, it's amazing! I do believe I've seen one up fo= r bid on ebay. Also check half.com. "bi11i" wrote: anyone? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren Date: 12 Jun 2001 10:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Yeah its a mix cd all of tracks from the Trance Europe Express compilations.... Its out of print and not bad, but if you find one, even if it's sealed, make sure you can open it up and examine the condition of the CDs inside. The little thing that holds the cds down in the packaging is flawed. It doesn't hold the discs down very well, and when they become loose they scratch up against the little bit made to hold them in, causing some SERIOUS gouging action. Be forwarned. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) OAA KLFAA? Date: 12 Jun 2001 14:35:45 -0600 is there a KLFAA? trying to find some earlier stuff and haven't really listened to much but recently had some cd's sent to me -- very nice. if anyone has any klf and wants to trade for some misc burns, please let me know... thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ivan Cirikovacki" Subject: (orb) new on this list Date: 13 Jun 2001 00:06:38 +0200 Hello all! I'm new on this list! My name is Ivan and I'm from Yugoslavia. I've been a huuuge Orb fan for many years! It was when "Blue Room" came out, when I first heard about the Orb. But at that time it was very hard to get any Orb CD here in Yugoslavia. Anyway, a couple of years later I got my first Orb album and it was "Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld". And, it's still the best album I've ever heard (plus Orbvs Terrarvm :))!!! Now I'm very happy being on this list because I can hear what the other Orb fans think... Ivan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list Date: 12 Jun 2001 18:34:58 -0500 > later I got my first Orb album and it was "Adventures Beyond The > Ultraworld". And, it's still the best album I've ever heard (plus > Orbvs Terrarvm :))!!! ===>Welcome, Ivan! If you think Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld and Orbus Terrarum are great (and they are), wait 'til you hear U.F.Orb and The Aubrey Mixes: The Ultraworld Excursions! Two of the greatest albums ever made--in ANY genre! :-) Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Delacruz" Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list Date: 12 Jun 2001 15:35:54 -0700 Welcome Ivan to the club :) >>> "Ivan Cirikovacki" 06/12 3:06 PM >>> Hello all! I'm new on this list! My name is Ivan and I'm from Yugoslavia. I've been a huuuge Orb fan for many years! It was when "Blue Room" came out, when I first heard about the Orb. But at that time it was very hard to get any Orb CD here in Yugoslavia. Anyway, a couple of years later I got my first Orb album and it was "Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld". And, it's still the best album I've ever heard (plus Orbvs Terrarvm :))!!! Now I'm very happy being on this list because I can hear what the other Orb fans think... Ivan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [Re: (orb) new on this list] Date: 13 Jun 2001 08:36:19 EDT Amen, brotha! ;) And welcome to Ivan! "Vince Frank" wrote: U.F.Orb and The Aubrey Mixes: The Ultraworld Excursions! Two of the greatest albums ever made--in ANY genre! :-) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sleepyBrett Subject: (orb) damn you graphoo ... Date: 13 Jun 2001 11:17:47 -0700 its getting mighty close to june 21st .. i wish we could get an update on badorb. _ b # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 13 Jun 2001 11:38:18 -0700 Agust A J wrote: >they made some incredible aurally pleasing stuff... >head over to http://www.allmusic.com & do a search for Global Communication >& read up on all the links you can chase from there. I realize that this thread has gotten a little confused, but good God yes anyone who hasn't checked out Global Communication is missing out in the worst way. (Of course, you'd also do well to check out the work of the clearly inspirational Vangelis, particularly Opera Sauvage, L'Apocalypse des Animaux, and Blade Runner.) GloCom "76 14" and "Pentamorous Metamorphosis", and Reload "Collection of Short Stories," are utterly indispensible recordings. GloCom "Remotion" is also a fine collection of their outstanding remix work. Unfortunately, though, it looks like the planned and long-anticipated GloCom follow-up LP is a lost cause. I have the original version of "Pentamerous Metamorphosis" ... isn't it the same as the reissue, with the exception of the deletion of the Star Wars sample? -=Seofon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zeljko Cirikovacki" Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list Date: 13 Jun 2001 21:57:09 +0200 >If you think Adventures Beyond the >Ultraworld and Orbus Terrarum are great (and they are), wait >'til you hear U.F.Orb and The Aubrey Mixes: The Ultraworld >Excursions! Two of the greatest albums ever made--in ANY >genre! :-) Yeah! :) I have following Orb albums: ABTU, U.F.Orb + Blue Room, Live 93, Pomme Fritz, Orbvs Terrarvm, Orblivion, U.F.Off and Cydonia, and I think they're great! ALL!!! :) Unfortunately, I've never had a chance to listen to The Aubrey Mixes, because I can't get it here... I've also never listened to FFWD (just Lucky Saddle on Trance Europe Express 2) or Cydonia V1 & V2, although I've read a lot about them. Thank you all for the words of welcome!!!!!!!!! Ivan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:13:40 -0400 (EDT) > to listen to The Aubrey Mixes, because I can't get it here... I've > also > never listened to FFWD (just Lucky Saddle on Trance Europe Express 2) > or Cydonia V1 & V2, although I've read a lot about them. Ahh, well then perhaps you should check out the Orb Audio Archive (OAA) ftp site... The OAA is an ftp site that has only rare and out of print or bootlegged music that the orb have done. The address is 24.1.153.3 and the login and password are both the word "orb" (but without the double quotes). Enjoy! :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:15:41 -0700 > GloCom "76 14" and "Pentamorous Metamorphosis", and Reload "Collection of > Short Stories," are utterly indispensible recordings. Hmmm, I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion here. I find "76 14" to be pretty disappointing - it is definitely not "aCoSS." Much lighter and IMHO more boring. So, if you are familiar with "aCoSS" be sure to listen before buying, as it is different. The best track on the album is actually an (uncredited but obvious - I guess it's POSSIBLE it could be coincidence but come on) cover of one of the Tangerine Dream songs off the Risky Business soundtrack - which is actually nice as the TD stuff on the RB soundtrack is way too short, like 2-3 min per song. Again, all MHO, but I'd hate to see someone (as I did) mail order "76 14" and be disappointed. Now, that having been said, "aCoSS" is utterly brilliant. And here is a secret bonus - the booklet contains a series of stories, which are stated to correlate to "some" of the musical material (which implies to me at least that they are basically separate). Well, I read the stories separately and forgot about them, had the disc a couple of years, and then got curious. What if you try to read along while the cd is playing? YES! The stories correlate EXACTLY to the music - there are strategically placed samples in the music and text to help you adjust your reading speed - once dialed in, you can perform this task rather easily. The entire booklet goes with the entire cd to the second - there may be a couple gaps in the text (it's been awhile) but if so, you can easily find your place when it resumes via the sample method. (Note - a vinyl copy of this that I encountered did not have the stories.) So, apologies if this is common knowledge, but damn it is brilliant. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:10:46 -0700 >From: Tim C >To: seofon@slip.net >CC: orb@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb) >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:15:41 -0700 > > > GloCom "76 14" and "Pentamorous Metamorphosis", and Reload "Collection >of > > Short Stories," are utterly indispensible recordings. > >Hmmm, I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion here. I find "76 14" to >be pretty disappointing - it is definitely not "aCoSS." Actually, I personally agree with you. Despite "76 14"'s legendary status, I feel that "aCoSS" is far superior and in fact one of the most brilliant electronic records ever made. "76 14" even comes at the bottom of my list of GloCom discs, but, nonetheless, enough people swear by it that it seems worth recommending. To veer somewhat off topic, I might mention that some colleagues and I are working on a project that is similar to "aCoSS" in that it is an audio compilation structured around an explicit outer space narrative. The project will be called "360 Degrees" and will feature music by eM, Mat Jarvis (of Emit label fame), Sketch (the Norwegian duo), myself and others. If this sounds interesting to anyone, email me and I'll put you on the mailing list! OK, self-promotion mode off. -=Seofon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: (orb) Multiverse Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:22:53 -0700 In a largely incoherent interview in Pulse (the house organ for Tower Records)(I don't know which month, since I tore the article out, but IIRC, it was the one with Daft Punk on the cover), Alex claims that "I have a band called Multiverse as well". This links back to the Puffin In Paradise track from the BadOrb promo mix. Does anyone have any more details or information on this? Anyone? Chris np: Air - Live @ Chicago Metro 11/11/98 (anyone have a tracklisting for this show?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julien Fournier" Subject: (orb) Newcomer Date: 13 Jun 2001 22:23:34 -0400 Hi everyone, I just joined this mailing list to share my passion for electronic music (orb's music more precisly). I live in montreal (quebec, canada) and I'm 18 years old. I've been a fan since 1999 (quite late eh). I have all the official albums including some remix projects (auntie aubrey's excursions...) and some singles. My favorites are adventures, u.f.orb, orbus terrarum and live '93. Beside the orb, I love almost every genre of electronic music. Some artists i'd like to mention: Fsol, underworld, autechre, aphex twin, vangelis, jmj, tangerine dream and pink floyd's psychedelic period (mainly piper and ummagumma). Thats pretty much it, looking foward to hear from you guys. Julien Fournier # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) Newcomer Date: 14 Jun 2001 18:28:03 +0800 >Hi everyone, hullo! :) I love almost every genre of >electronic music. Some artists i'd like to mention: ... pink floyd's >psychedelic period (mainly piper and ummagumma). good to know that there's another person around here who likes Piper-era PF (and says so!) - most of the people i talk to who are PF fans are more enamoured of DSotM (or the Wall) than P@tGoD, but i don't understand that at all. Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ NP: Tino's Breaks Vol 5. (dub out yer lug'oles!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Global Communication Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:40:26 +0100 Whoever it was the other day asking about GC.....this bloke on Ebay seems to be selling his entire collection on Ebay, which may interest some of you. If the link does not work, then just search for global communication. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&SortPrope rty=MetaEndSort&ht=1&query=global+communication # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anders Dam" Subject: (orb) Get some sleep__________________z Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:23:20 -0000 Greetings from longtime lurker muzelic//muzz:::: How are you really orblist. Are you cozy and warm. Did you spend enough time on the sheets lately? Special halo to Joseph Hannah in Florida. Keep it nh_ lacaq _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Newcomer Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:38:28 EDT personally i prefer saucer full of secrets and umagumma over piper at thegates. anyone else have that 'A Nice Pair' albume they released in 73 right before darside. its got a bunch of cool pictures you dont see anywhere else and its just a repress 2xLP of saucer and piper at the gates. cool item DJ TeleVision In a message dated Thu, 14 Jun 2001 6:32:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Simon Bennett writes: << >Hi everyone, hullo! :) I love almost every genre of >electronic music. Some artists i'd like to mention: ... pink floyd's >psychedelic period (mainly piper and ummagumma). good to know that there's another person around here who likes Piper-era PF (and says so!) - most of the people i talk to who are PF fans are more enamoured of DSotM (or the Wall) than P@tGoD, but i don't understand that at all. Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ NP: Tino's Breaks Vol 5. (dub out yer lug'oles!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Multiverse Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:09:54 -0500 > "I have a band called Multiverse as well". > Does anyone have any more details or information on this? Multiverse is LX + Simon, IIRC... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Multiverse - correction Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:13:36 -0500 > Alex claims that "I have a band called Multiverse as well". > Does anyone have any more details or information on this? Disregard my previous conjecture. I found this from an LX interview: > "We can morph into four or five different bands between us," > Paterson explained, referring to the myriad side projects > he's worked on over the years. "We can be the Orb, Witchman > can be Witchman, Witchman and me can be Multiverse, me and > Simon can be Prayer Box, and Fil, our roadie, can also be > Autolump." Sorry to have added to the confusion. JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:32:35 -0500 > good to know that there's another person around here who likes Piper-era PF > (and says so!) - most of the people i talk to who are PF fans are more > enamoured of DSotM (or the Wall) than P@tGoD, but i don't understand that > at all. ===>Actually, I'm partial to _Animals_ and _Wish You Were Here_.... _Meddle_ is pretty cool, too.... Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:18:41 -0600 ===>Actually, I'm partial to _Animals_ and _Wish You Were Here_.... _Meddle_ is pretty cool, too.... Agreed, but come on, aren't there any hard-core Atom Heart Mother fans here? Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Wierd! Those are my favorite 3 albums too. Except I think dark side should be in there someplace too. Its too seminal to ignore. :) > ===>Actually, I'm partial to _Animals_ and _Wish You Were > Here_.... _Meddle_ is pretty cool, too.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:33:39 -0500 its always been the "final cut" for myself. the final waters album with floyd. not now, john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TheEye" Subject: RE: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:40:48 -0400 I wouldn't say I am HARD-CORE but it is one of my favorite Floyd albums, but then again, which one isn't?! Floyd was better when Roger Waters was not the major influence. I mean after The Wall (and including it) there was heavy influence by Roger Waters until he left. Most of the stuff before DS was AWESOME and very original. Of course has anyone heard anything by Syd Barrett lately? It sounds like he is stuck in the 60's! And does Syd actually stand for 'acid'?? >Agreed, but come on, aren't there any hard-core Atom Heart Mother fans here? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gliddenm@nettaxi.com" Subject: RE: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:42:35 -0700 >Agreed, but come on, aren't there any hard-core Atom Heart Mother fans here? i can't ignore this thread any longer...i'm one of these hardkore atom heart mother fans :) it and meddle are my two favorites (although i love all the pre-dark side stuff, and only like the post dark side stuff)..."live at pompeii" is great stuff too (hopefully a dvd release sometime? please?) but yeah, i'll shutup now.. matt. Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Hannah Subject: (orb) Get some community radio on Mon 9-11 est... Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:02:57 -0700 (PDT) > How are you really orblist. My pulse is bounding, yet I swallowed some of the gulf yesterday next to a smelly pier whilst wave sliding made my throat sore today. The 93/3109 amoxocillin, english tea w/ honey, and asprins as well as Orb w/ headphones are giving me strength. Intl shouts across the pond help me too! :) I would have never known how much Orb was to be released and encouraged to be traded and shared with y'all from my subscribing way back in '96 was it??? Can't speak for all... 'cept my birthday is on the 17th (Sunday)!!! I have some music I'd like for yall to hear this Monday night (18th)from 9-11 est. On real audio http://www.WMNF.org/ I promise to slaughter the airwaves ; ) Feel free to tune in. Of course, I will play some Orb releases that I have achieved via this list!! Probably some Suzuki Tosca, Pepper, Stereo Mc's, Sonic Youth, Fireman, Reno, Radiohead, Spiritualized, Sugar Cubes, New Order, Cure, etchect.... just the gamut of music to plow safely around on sheets, or fungi, ethyl, or metas.; tetras; Deltas what have you... Also you can e-mail the station .... wait till I'm on air though DJ@wmnf.org/ Are you cozy and warm. > Did you spend enough time on the sheets lately? > Special halo to Joseph Hannah in Florida. " Keep it Real!! " Now I'm playing Janet - The Dream E-mail me privately if ya wants ta hear sumthin' special!! Ciao! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:31:46 -0700 > its always been the "final cut" for myself. the final waters album with > floyd. > > not now, > john OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. IT HURTS IT HURTS # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TheEye" Subject: RE: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 16:13:21 -0400 Yea, nothing like a little of Roger Waters whining to bring you down. I have always felt that anything Roger Waters did (from The Wall to all his solo stuff) is majorly depressing and good for sitting around thinking about killing oneself. Ahhh, the old days of the military coming back to me now... The only thing that stands out that he did solo was 'The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking' which featured Eric Claptons guitar work! That wasn't so much of a depressing album as a trip through the mind of one screwed up individual. Scott > its always been the "final cut" for myself. the final waters album with > floyd. > > not now, > john OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. IT HURTS IT HURTS # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nexus" Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences Date: 14 Jun 2001 22:29:59 -0700 Don't know how accurate this info is but, a buddy of mine mentioned this to me (he's a huge Floyd addict) Waters was asked in an interview not to long ago if he would ever perform with Pink Floyd again, and his response was "only with new material". Then my buddy was apparently talking to some guy at EMI and mentioned the interview, and the guy said that all FOUR had been in the studio together not to long ago. > its always been the "final cut" for myself. the final waters album with > floyd. > > not now, > john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) OT - Help me Obi Wan, you're my only help.... Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:18:03 +0100 This is bugging me, and I figure someone on the list knows the answer[s]. 1. Tune played on MTV uk sort of down tempo thing. Artist ends in 2 e.g. Express 2. Don't know the title of the track, but it has a video that's "banned" with a doll that keeps switching back with a real life woman that gets spanked and stuff. Bloke with a bald head and sort of Nordic looking person titting around on made up instruments. Video also has a John Lennon luke-o-likey doll that ends up screwing the woman doll. 2. On Discovery UK there is a tune that's played with the ads for the Eco "challenge" thing [seems to be on every ad break]. The titles for it sort of spin around in time with the music. Being a bit vague, but anyone who has seen it will know what I'm talking about. Anyway, the tune is really good. 3. Portishead - are they all dead? What's going on? 4. Massive Attack - I read something on their www site that said they were about to start recording stuff without 3D or was it mushroom?? but not as massive attack. anyone, anyone?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:43:09 -0500 > Don't know how accurate this info is but, a buddy of mine mentioned this to > me (he's a huge Floyd addict) Waters was asked in an interview not to long > ago if he would ever perform with Pink Floyd again, and his response was > "only with new material". Then my buddy was apparently talking to some guy > at EMI and mentioned the interview, and the guy said that all FOUR had been > in the studio together not to long ago. ===>Hmmmm...that *is* interesting.... Hell, who else has reunited in the past few years? Iron Maiden (yay!), Styx, Black Sabbath, Bauhaus(!), Devo (!!!), and so on.... What about THE ORB?!?!?!? I mean: Alex, Thrash, and Fehlman. What's up with Van Halen? Diamond Dave is the only person that can save them now (assuming that Edward doesn't bite the big one in the meantime). Also, it's a real shame about The Cars--there was talk of a reunion, but Ben Orr unfortunately passed away last October. :-( The Police? (At least that way Sting would stop making solo albums!) Have a great weekend all! Vincent np: Sting--Dream of the Blue Turtles (I'm not joking!) :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) Speaking of reunions....] Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:56:31 EDT If that ever happened, Sting and Stewart Copeland would prolly kill each other... "Vince Frank" wrote: The Police? (At least that way Sting would stop making solo albums!) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julien Fournier" Subject: (orb) Pink Floyds references Date: 15 Jun 2001 19:00:42 -0400 Since everyone talks about pf, lets try to figure out the references to pf that the orb included in their work. -Back side of the moon (dsotm obviously) -Live '93 cover similar to pf animal cover -The building on the following images are obvious references to animal (once again) http://www.theorb.com/archives/images/sendpage.cgi?orb004.jpg http://www.theorb.com/archives/images/sendpage.cgi?orb006.jpg http://www.theorb.com/archives/images/sendpage.cgi?orb010.jpg -Pomme fritz cover which is similar to pf's Relics http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002U0D.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg I probably forgot a couple of em. Now for a funny contest lets find the longest official song title, so far I got Pink floyd: Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict sixth track on Ummagumma, 76 caracters Orb: A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of The Ultraworld: Live Mix Mk 10 from adventures, 67 caracters + 11 caracters for the mix title = 78! Pet shop boys: I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Any More 3th track on nightlife, 41 caracters (honorable mention for such a pop band) Have fun :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) Pink Floyds references Date: 16 Jun 2001 07:54:49 +0800 At 07:00 PM 06-15-2001 -0400, you wrote: >Now for a funny contest lets find the longest official song title from http://www.comedy-zone.net/triviazone/music/page2.htm Longest Song title The song with the longest title is 'I'm a Cranky Old Yank in a Clanky Old Tank on the Streets of Yokohama with my Honolulu Mama Doin' Those Beat-o, Beat-o Flat-On-My-Seat-o, Hirohito Blues' written by Hoagy Carmichael in 1943. He later claimed the song title ended with "Yank" and the rest was a joke. so that's not really TOO official. bloody hell the web makes finding this sort of thing very little fun at all. :) Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Michael Goelzer Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 15 Jun 2001 19:18:34 -0500 apart from what Vince already mentioned... (semi-) recent reunions I was happy about: EPMD Echo & the Bunnymen New Order David Bowie + Brian Eno (semi-) recent reunions I wish hadn't happened: Eurhythmics almost but not quite: Art of Noise (less JJ and Gary) NWA (less Eazy, plus Snoop) Jane's Addiction Propaganda reunions I wish would happen: The Verve Tricky + Martina Galaxie 500 3rd Bass Pixies Clash Bongwater Big Black Smiths Opal Throwing Muses Pogues Deee-Lite artists & producers I wish would reunite: Beck + Dust Brothers Seal + Trevor Horn Mudhoney + Jack Endino side projects I wish could be resurrected: Pailhead FFWD DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo that's all I can think of for now. JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lysergic Dream Subject: Re: (orb) Pink Floyds references Date: 16 Jun 2001 02:39:17 -0500 ummmm... shine on you crazy diamond guitar sample used in peel sessions version of ahegpbtrftcotw... lysergic At 07:00 PM 6/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Since everyone talks about pf, lets try to figure out the references to pf >that the orb included in their work. ************* Coming Soon ************* The Lysergic Dream - Cult of the Dying Streetlamp This fall/winter on Uncle Buzz Records Check out http://www.zombieproject.com/lysergic for brand new sound samples! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 16 Jun 2001 02:43:23 -0700 > reunions I wish would happen: > > The Verve ... > Deee-Lite Ah, how about Rush, then? Ha ha, psyche! They never actually broke up, back in studio finally now (last studio album was T4E, _1996_), expect album "re-inventing what they invented" (in their own words) out early next year. That is all. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbette Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 16 Jun 2001 07:38:13 -0700 The original Stone Roses. 'nuf said. 'bette np: Leggo Beast - Smells Good > > reunions I wish would happen: > > > > The Verve > ... > > Deee-Lite > > Ah, how about Rush, then? Ha ha, psyche! They never actually broke up, > back in studio finally now (last studio album was T4E, _1996_), expect > album "re-inventing what they invented" (in their own words) out early > next year. > > That is all. > > T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Titles Date: 16 Jun 2001 14:07:26 -0500 > Now for a funny contest lets find the longest official song title, so far I > got > > Pink floyd: > Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And > Grooving With A Pict > sixth track on Ummagumma, 76 caracters ===>Another lengthy Floyd title (as far as I can tell) is usually known simply as "One of These Days," from _Meddle_. Now, I saw _Live at Pompeii_--what? God!--*fifteen* years ago! Anyway, I could swear that its title on the film was, "One of these days I'm Going to cut you into tiny pieces," or something like that. Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Michael Goelzer Subject: (orb) OT: Live @ Pompeii VCD Date: 16 Jun 2001 14:58:27 -0500 > I saw _Live at Pompeii_--what? > God!--*fifteen* years ago! A few days ago someone was pining for a Live @ Pompeii DVD; just thought I'd mention that I saw it on VCD the other day. Not as good as DVD, but better than VHS and will play in most DVD players... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dphjr1" Subject: (orb) Re: Speaking of reunions.... Date: 17 Jun 2001 01:02:11 -0400 'bette said: The original Stone Roses. 'nuf said. Now *this* is a great call. Hmm, lemme come up with a couple...how 'bout... Oingo Boingo Camper Van Beethoven Husker Du Replacements Be well all, Hull # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 17 Jun 2001 11:08:56 +0100 >> The original Stone Roses Let's face facts:- Ian and John are never going to get on again and the mustard was left intact whenever Ian choose to "sing" live. I'm a big Roses fan and I was at Spike Island but I prefer to remember them as they were ;-) And just the two albums??....... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbette Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 17 Jun 2001 06:14:16 -0700 I only count the first one as the second release was not as good. And I agree, they will never get back together. Pity. 'bette np: Marcel - Testek Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk wrote: > >> The original Stone Roses > > Let's face facts:- Ian and John are never going to get on again and the > mustard was left intact whenever Ian choose to "sing" live. > > I'm a big Roses fan and I was at Spike Island but I prefer to remember them > as they were ;-) > > And just the two albums??....... > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason I Hicks Subject: Re: (orb) Pink Floyds references Date: 17 Jun 2001 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Don't forget the lady saying "we don't need no education, we don't need no dark sarcasm in the classroom" during Plateau on Live 93 and during various other live tracks before '97. My faves: Meddle and Animals, but really they are all classic besides The Final Cut (sorry to the misguided soul who listed it as their favorite) and those horrible David Gilmour Band albums. ikki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 18 Jun 2001 10:27:07 -0400 (EDT) > DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo Just wanted to mention this: If anyone on this list DOESN'T own the album "Ki-Oku," go buy it now. Drop what you're doing, I don't care if you're on the damn can, go out to tower or coconuts or anyplace you can think of that might have it, and BUY THIS ALBUM. DJ Krush is one of my fav. hip hop artists, and Toshinori Kondo is an amazing musician, and has worked with lots of other famous people (check out an album he did with Bernochi and laswell called 'charged'). Anyways, thats all.y # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hardacid" Subject: (orb) OAA Date: 18 Jun 2001 10:49:46 -0400 Is there something wrong with the OAA? It is very slow and cancels out on me all the time. It worked great a few days ago. Regis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 18 Jun 2001 13:22:29 -0400 : > DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo : Just wanted to mention this: If anyone on this list DOESN'T own : the album "Ki-Oku," go buy it now. I concur. Dark Dramatic Chunky Hip Hop Beats w/ Flowery Melancholy Horn Riffs. Simply Superb. DJ Krush's other original works are also very good. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Chambers Subject: (orb) orb sample question Date: 18 Jun 2001 14:07:23 -0700 (PDT) anyone know what song is sampled for song #2 ("Orb vs Coldcut/Kiss FM") from that crappy little 2 song "The O.O.B.E adventure" CD booklet thingy. Its the sample where the girl is looped singing "i need you". Thought I heard somewhere its Kylie Minogue but not having much luck finding the song. one other thing, what is the last song on the 96 organicfest boot (track 12 on the oaa). the track says its fast foward into the future but never heard this mix. is there a studio version? like to find a copy the does not have that ass-hole kroq dj talking over it. someday i'd like to find that dj and give him a good thump. thanks jim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boob McNutt Subject: Re: (orb) orb sample question Date: 18 Jun 2001 17:20:51 -0400 (EDT) > > > anyone know what song is sampled for song #2 ("Orb vs > Coldcut/Kiss FM") from that crappy little 2 song "The > O.O.B.E adventure" CD booklet thingy. Its the sample > where the girl is looped singing "i need you". Thought > I heard somewhere its Kylie Minogue but not having > much luck finding the song. It's a sample from one of the dub mixes of 'Two of Hearts' by Stacey Q. You might try looking in Used record stores for the 12" that has it on it.... -- Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made of meat?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Bryan" Subject: RE: (orb) orb sample question Date: 18 Jun 2001 17:27:48 -0400 > version? like to find a copy the does not have that ass-hole > kroq dj talking over it. someday i'd like to find that dj and > give him a good thump. thanks jim I was listening a few days ago & thinking how much violence that guy deserves. what an ass! just put up some new shows someone kindly sent me: The Orb - Glastonbury - 6-27-1997 The Orb - Cabaret Metro - 7-19-1997 The Orb - La Luna - Portland - 8-13-1997 was listening to some of the mp3project shows I think, & it sounded like "REPEAT, MR & MRS AMERICA, AMERICA HAS NOT FALLEN!" is Orson Welles, from War of the Worlds, & that cos of that show no one believed him when he announced that Pearl Harbor had been attacked. dunno if its true, but it sounded interesting. ant ftp://moresounds.dyn.dhs.org / anonymous - if you can't get on, its busy info follows: ---- The Orb - La Luna - Portland - 8-13-1997 1 Intro (Diva) 2 spanish castles in space 3 passing of time 4 lucky saddle 5 blue room 6 bedouin 7 delta mk ii 8 we're getting hot 9 beer beer beer 10 outlands 11 a huge ever growing... 12 lfc 13 unknown 14 SALT 15 toxygene 16 singing in the rain ---- The Orb - Glastonbury - 6-27-1997 1 majestic 2 lfc 3 bedouin 4 toxygene ---- The Orb - Cabaret Metro - 7-19-1997 1 spanish castles in space 2 terminus 3 blue room 4 bedouin 5 delta mk ii 6 we're getting hot 7 beer beer beer 8 outlands 9 a huge ever growing... 10 lfc 11 they're coming 2 take me away 12 SALT 13 toxygene 14 audience - we want more 15 assassin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lysergic Dream Subject: Re: (orb) orb sample question Date: 18 Jun 2001 16:36:58 -0500 its "two of hearts" by ....? just drew a blank on the artist.. lysergic At 02:07 PM 6/18/01 -0700, you wrote: > >anyone know what song is sampled for song #2 ("Orb vs >Coldcut/Kiss FM") from that crappy little 2 song "The >O.O.B.E adventure" CD booklet thingy. Its the sample >where the girl is looped singing "i need you". Thought ************* Coming Soon ************* The Lysergic Dream - Cult of the Dying Streetlamp This fall/winter on Uncle Buzz Records Check out http://www.zombieproject.com/lysergic for brand new sound samples! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 19 Jun 2001 00:48:56 -0400 > side projects I wish could be resurrected: > > Pailhead > FFWD > DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo I'd add: Little Wing (robbie hardkiss' old side project... he know does boozy + swan) Lunasol (Rabbit in the Moon's alter ego. they did a Floori.d.a. remix recently, but that could have been a re-issue) -eric³ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions.... Date: 19 Jun 2001 00:51:20 -0700 > Lunasol (Rabbit in the Moon's alter ego. they did a Floori.d.a. remix > recently, but that could have been a re-issue) Hmmm, these guys seem to still be about here and there. I have a record by them (as Hazed this time) called Disconnected. It is one of the best techno (in the modern genre sense of the word) tracks I've ever heard. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= Subject: (orb) Thursday teatime Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:36:00 +0200 (CEST) Hi out there, I found a track at napster called Thursday Teatime,that strange track has blow me away, what the hell is it? CY, Christoph __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Green Subject: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 09:46:04 -0700 For all you CD burners out there, here's some info re: CDRs, and what type to use, etc.: --- The best CDR media brands are Kodak and Mitsui. They cost more but are worth it. The ink from Sharpies *will* eventually kill your CD - only use CD-specific markers: TDK makes one called "CD Mark" (Got one right here :) I spoke to one of the bigwigs @ Mitsui and they actually confirmed this rumor. And as far as the coated ("labeled") or non coated discs go, that is true to a point with the lesser quality CDRs - coating allows the laser to read (reflect) better, where if the disc is really thin and almost transparent , the laser cannot read as well. But with the good brands (Kodak and Mitsui), coated or uncoated really doesn't make a difference. Another thing about janky media is sometimes it will play fine for a while, but you cannot make a copy of the disc (read errors on your computer, or corrupt data) - so you end up being stuck with the janky disc. AVOID JANKY GENERIC MEDIA AT ALL COSTS!! Cheaper is not better! I would definitely also steer away from Memorex brand media - especially the 80 min. ones. I have seem more problems with those than any other media. Other consumer CDR brands are not *terrible*, just make sure it's a fairly reputable company (TDK, Verbatim, etc.), and make sure all tracks can be read by all CD players you have, and the disc can be re-burned with no read errors or problems. Also, in general with all brands, Gold-bottomed discs are better and last about twice as long as Silver bottomed discs (100 years vs. 50) Also, keep your CDRs out of the direct sun, and on a long term basis, CD-wallets can eventually scratch your discs because CDRs scratch much easier than commercially reproduced CDs. Put backup copies in your wallet, and keep your originals safe and sound :) Some places to buy media: PRICEWATCH: www.pricewatch.com CDR PLANET: http://store.yahoo.com/cdrplanet/index.html CDR EXPRESS: http://www.memorymedia.com/cgi-bin/webcart/webcart.cgi?CONFIG=mountain&ENTER =YES And all around CDR & burner information and news: http://www.cdrinfo.com/ HAPPY BURNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 17:46:37 +0100 >>Also, in general with all brands, Gold-bottomed discs are better and last about twice as long as Silver bottomed discs (100 years vs. 50) Showing ignorance here - I thought it was best to use blue CDR's, or better still black ones?? From bitter experience silver ones are just shite and I bought some from Argos the other day and I've had nothing but problems with them. I always thought Silver were better than Gold? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:02:42 -0400 (EDT) > Showing ignorance here - I thought it was best to use blue CDR's, or better > still black ones?? The idea is that you want to use one that uses the least reactive substraight. Gold and silver are WAY inert, especially compared to these bizarre blue dyes. > >From bitter experience silver ones are just shite and I bought some from > Argos the other day and I've had nothing but problems with them. I always > thought Silver were better than Gold? Nope. Gold is by far the least reactive. For both of my statements, by the way, my metric is shelf life. Gold CDRs will last MUCH longer than the blue ones. However, if you end up buying cheap gold ones that have a high failure rate then you're screwed again. Everyone I've spoken to has said that the kodaks are the best. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:04:58 +0100 rightyouare. If I do stuff for myself I use name CDR's - which tend to be blue. If it's stuff for other people then they get my cheap[er] blue ones - and if I really hate them my cheapo Argos silver ones ;-) Learnt something new today then - I thought it was the colour [and the Manufacturer factor] that meant how good it was. I tend to avoid cheapo ones, but the second to last lot I got were great - no problems at all. This new lot - forgetaboutit......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: laerm Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:19:31 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk wrote: > Learnt something new today then - I thought it was the colour [and the > Manufacturer factor] that meant how good it was. I tend to avoid > cheapo ones, but the second to last lot I got were great - no problems > at all. This new lot - forgetaboutit......... i've noticed a lot of variation within brands and types, too - f'rinstance, i usually go with tdk 80-minute discs, which i've never had any problems with (burning on a plexwriter 8/32). i think i made like four coasters out of a few hundred burned discs. anyways, i bought a spindle of 50 a few weeks back and out of this spindle, i had at least five bum discs. in conclusion, cd burning is still a highly imperfect science. :) micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:32:37 -0700 You can't always just go by the brand name, as some brands are manufactured by multiple factories. It comes down to the factory and the dye they use. There is some good information on factories, dyes, and lists of all the different media types, brands, where they were made, and also quality ratings. http://www.cdmediaworld.com *MoonDogg* - you get what you pay for..... -----Original Message----- On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk wrote: > Learnt something new today then - I thought it was the colour [and the > Manufacturer factor] that meant how good it was. I tend to avoid > cheapo ones, but the second to last lot I got were great - no problems > at all. This new lot - forgetaboutit......... i've noticed a lot of variation within brands and types, too - f'rinstance, i usually go with tdk 80-minute discs, which i've never had any problems with (burning on a plexwriter 8/32). i think i made like four coasters out of a few hundred burned discs. anyways, i bought a spindle of 50 a few weeks back and out of this spindle, i had at least five bum discs. in conclusion, cd burning is still a highly imperfect science. :) micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Feisar Subject: Re: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:34:40 -0500 Also... http://www.cdmediaworld.com . Info on software, media, writers, etc. Feisar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:33:19 +0100 Which reminds me. I read somewhere the other week that there are only THREE manufacturers of CD writers.....i.e. your HP or Plextor writer is not actually what it says it is. Thanks boys ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Berndt Subject: Re: (orb) CDR stuff / info Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:39:24 -0500 Whoops, sorry bout that. I sent my message, refreshed, and there was MoonDogg's post. Feisar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:27:00 -0400 Date: 20 Jun 2001 15:26:55 -0600 ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: (orb) quick non-Orb plea Date: 20 Jun 2001 15:06:25 -0700 Does anyone have any of the following for CD-R or mp3 trade? I'll make it worth your while! System 7 "Altitude" Woob "Void part 2" (12-inch) Woob "Woob Woob Woob" (demo) The 4th Barramundi Compilation -=Seofon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Date: 20 Jun 2001 17:18:29 -0700 OK, thought it might be time for a new thread. Many of us profess to be DJ's (part time, full time, on the side, etc. etc.) So lets open up those record bags/boxes and see what everyone is lugging around this week. Currently I'm using a large bag I bought from Moving Shadow Records in the UK. It's supposed to hold 70 or 80 12"/LP's. It's jammed to the limit. I'm numbering the discs just to see how many there actually are. 1. The Avengers-Laurie Johnson Orchestra 2. Cydonia-The Orb 2xLP 3. Scarborough Fair-Another Fine Day (Orb mix) 4. Select Cuts From Blood & Fire-Various 2xLP 5. Once More(Blue Cover)-The Orb (12") 6. 10,000 Hz Legend-Air 2xLP 7. Chill Out-KLF LP 8. Autumn Tactics-Chicane 12" 9. Lullaby of Clubland-EBTG 2x12" 10. Tracey In My Room-EBTG vs Soul Vision 12" 11. The Mirror Conspiracy-Thievery Corp. 2xLP 12. Shining(Repolished Versions)-Peace Orch. 2x12" 13. Not 17-Mondalay 12" (for that Tom Middleton mix) 14. Real Ibiza 4-Various 3xLP 15. Breakin' It Down-Petalpusher 12" 16. Music & Wine-Blue Six 12" 17. You Are Love-Lovetronic 12" 18. Surrender-Patalpusher 12" 19. Pure-Blue Six 12" 20. Only-Aquanote 12" 21. Rely On Me-Petalpusher 12" 22. Nude Directions EP-Undercover Agency/Project 4 12" 23. Carte Blanche Vol. 1-Various 2xLP 24. Carte Blanche Vol. 2-Various 2xLP 25. Sincere/Crazy Love-MJ Cole 12" 26. What It Feels Like For A Girl-Madge 2x12" 27. Dream On-Depeche Mode 2x12" 28. Interlude-St. Etienne LP 29. Slave-Sade vs Josh Patrick 12" White Label 30. Tourist-St. Germain 2xLP 31. Release The Dubs-Leftfield 12" White Label 32. Premiers Symptomes-Air LP 33. Fifth Release-Pizzicato Five 2xLP 34. New Latinaires 3-Various 2xLP 35. Refried Food Pt. 1&2 EP-DJ Food 2x12" 36. Music For Imaginary Films-Arling & Cameron 2xLP 37. Expo Remix-Kraftwerk. 2x12" 38. Groovy Vol. 5-Various 2xLP (jazzy club tracks) 39. GEF-(German Electro Funk?) 12" White Label [BLUE 011 - Blue vinyl - Anyone?] 40. Remixes '97 to '00-Jazzanova 5xLP plus a couple of 10" 41. Phat Planet-Leftfield 10" 42. Quango High-Tea Social EP-Various 10" and a couple of 7" 43. Buffalo Gals-Malcalm McLaren 7" 44. War-H.I.M. Haile Selassie I 7" 45. Sukiyaki-Kyu Sakamoto 7" That's it! Looking forward to see what your playing this week. DJ Edward aka Fountain Valley Lounge Lizard PS As far as CD's go I carry a backpack with CD's # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:27:00 -0400] Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:03:11 EDT >:( ! "Meredith, Justin" wrote: ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) What's In Your Bag?] Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:04:54 EDT I'm not a DJ, not even close, but this is what's in heavy rotation on the= turntable/CD player this week. (Does that count? Well, you get to find = out anyway! ;) ) Interlude, St. Eitenne Dream On (Pink Noise club mix), DM Dr. LX Paterson's Voyage into Paradise New Year's Dub (DJ Elite mix), Musique v. U2 Earth (gaia), the orb Let There Be Light (Hardfloor mix), Oldfield Ed wrote: OK, thought it might be time for a new thread. Many of us profess to be DJ's (part time, full time, on the side, etc. etc.) So lets open up those record bags/boxes and see what everyone is lugging around this week. = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Maniac Industries" Subject: June 23rd - Ignis Fatuus Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:37:29 -0500 On June 23rd, Liquid Arts Productions Presents: Ignis Fatuus Check out the website for more information http://www=2Emaniacindustries=2Ecom/la=2Ehtm We respect your right to privacy, to unsubscribe, reply or send a message = to mailinglist@maniacindustries=2Ecom with the unsubscribe command in the = subject of your message: *questions and comments can be directed to events@maniacindustries=2Ecom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Baker Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Date: 21 Jun 2001 00:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Baja Marimba Band Rides Again "Magnifico!" _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) solipse Date: 21 Jun 2001 17:51:22 +0800 hey that crazy solipse festival is on in zambia as we write.... http://www.solipse.com/ does anyone know of anyone who has gone to see the Orb reunion?????? quote: This gig is a live jam session with three of the former Orb members - Alex Paterson, Youth & Greg Hunter. This is not the Orb as they currently play, but will be a unique experience not to be missed ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SEBENNE Johan Subject: (orb) Voyage into paradise... Date: 21 Jun 2001 11:55:41 +0200 (MET DST) Hi, Just caught Dr Alex Paterson's 'Voyage into Paradise' on liquid sound design and it sounds really great particularly DUb Trees... For those who have it, is their album in the same vein ??? Bye Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players Date: 21 Jun 2001 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start. The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other siliar devices out there as well. Any comments? james ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: (orb) ORBULLETIN: BAD ORB ACTIVE SOON. HOPEFULLY. Date: 21 Jun 2001 15:10:41 +0100 (BST) # This is an Orb announcement from the ORBULLETINS mailing list. ORBULLETINS # help is available by emailing "info orbulletins" to majordomo@xmission.com. # We're now on the web at http://www.theorb.com a little something of interest to some of you... ***** the BADORB CREDIT CARD PAYING SYSTEM SHOULD BE IN ACTION BY FRIDAY... ***** watch this space... cheers, --- Smiley ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orb in me Subject: Re: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players Date: 21 Jun 2001 18:31:53 +0200 At 08:53 21-6-01 -0400, james.drysdale@utoronto.ca wrote: >Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? > >I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start. > >The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other >siliar >devices out there as well. Any comments? I have a Philips Expanium. It plays from CD, either audio or CDrom with MP3's. 10 hours of play at 128K bitrate on one CD and a set of AA size batteries. They are being dumped now so if you search, you should be able to get one cheap. I bought mine for 75 quid or so in Hong Kong. Expect to pay (a little) more here. Drawbacks: you have to burn a cd full of MP3's first; Low gain on the headphone out; Not much info on the badly lit display. Pluspoints: 10 hours of music and it will also play regular CD's; very good soundquality; 100% shockproof (it has a 90 second audio buffer when playing MP3's!!) --orb in me # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players Date: 21 Jun 2001 12:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Hmm...I should've said that I don't have a CD burner! I suppose I could purchase one, and buy a portable CD player that recognizes data CDs with MP3s on them, but then the price would be about the same as a portable player with a hard drive (a la Nomad jukebox or PMJ - personal music jukebox) - which (as I understand) can also double as a portable hard drive! james > >Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "*MoonDogg*" Subject: RE: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players Date: 21 Jun 2001 10:44:54 -0700 I have the Archos Jukebox 6000. www.archos.com On paper, it was the most appealing to me. Very small. 6GB hard drive, with 2 sets of NiMh batteries that last up to 8 hours. Cheaper than the others. However, like I said recently, you get what you pay for. At first I was stoked. Being able to fit over 100 CDs worth of music in my pocket and take it easily in the car, riding my bike, snowboarding, etc. is unbelievably convenient. A hard disk based player is definitely the way to go. Especially when considering the cost is not much more than the 128 MB memory based players. On top of that, it acts just like a hard drive. You can store any type of files on it. Use it to transfer files to and from work, etc. Most players do not let you do this, as they are 'upload only'. However, after 2 months of using it, I have determined it is a complete piece of crap. It shuts off all the time. The batteries are poorly mounted and lose contact with each other, disrupting the power, if you put even the slightest pressure on the corners. It has a very difficult time dealing with .mp3s that have ID tags, making all kinds of squawking noises, or not playing at all. My recommendation? Avoid this one. The Nomad is probably better quality, but I don't like the size, and, as far as I know, you can't use it to download files. I personally am going to wait for someone like Sony or Kenwood, etc. to build one. Definitely do not waste your money on a memory based model, as they are pretty much worthless compared to the hard drive players. Others I know about: http://www.pjbox.com/2001/go.htm http://www.iomagic.com/products/neo2200.htm *MoonDogg* -----Original Message----- Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player? I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start. The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other siliar devices out there as well. Any comments? james ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 21 Jun 2001 14:12:02 -0600 i recently upped this to a couple of the file servers if anyone is interested...(really the only change in tracks from cyd1) jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcus Garvey" Subject: (orb) Somewhat OT :: Download >> Effector Date: 21 Jun 2001 16:56:56 -0400 For those seeking twisted electro tracks similar to the ones that Alex mixes during his DJ sets, I highly recommend Download's latest release Effector ~ although it was released in Oct'00 I just happened across it last month and it has yet to leave my cd player. Effector is unlike any previous Download release as it relies on melodies and dance beats for much more organized structures and fluid transitions rather than the abrasive chaos and noise of previous releases. Key calls Effector a return to the roots, a return to the beginning again. We tried to keep the ideas on this album to a sense of what's more listenable instead of what's more fashionable, he says. Sometimes you get lost in trends and sometimes it requires going back and rediscovering what it was that attracted you to making music. -j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) ONLINE RECORD STORES Date: 21 Jun 2001 17:17:00 -0400 anyone know of a good place to check out? besides CDZONE or SisterRay? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Green Subject: Re: (orb) cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 21 Jun 2001 14:24:48 -0700 > i recently upped this to a couple of the file servers if anyone is > interested...(really the only change in tracks from cyd1) First of all, thanks!!! :) Secondly, which servers? I have been dying to hear this one for a while... Thanks, _jason_ -- Jason Green Apple Computer Inc. iTunes team / Applications Engineering dept. jgreen@apple.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dphjr1" Subject: (orb) ThursdayTeatime 25-01-01 Date: 21 Jun 2001 17:44:10 -0400 Saw this on Napster. What is it? A live show? It's almost three hours long! Any help would be appreciate. Please reply offlist. Thanks. Hull # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason I Hicks Subject: (orb) jam on yer honey Date: 21 Jun 2001 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Try www.hardacid.com under the section for the Orb. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex" Subject: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1 Date: 22 Jun 2001 02:30:52 +0100 hello orbsters. I have a tape I recorded in 95 around July. It is a Radio1 session with Dr Alex P and Mark Radcliffe (sort of promo session for Orbus Terrarum). just wondering if this recording is up on the orb archive? I havent really had a chance to look, besides i dont know the ftp details. Cos if it isnt, I thought maybe I should try and mp3 it (somehow from tape) and upload it, to be friendly and all that :) any tips on recording from tape to hard disc welcomed, i guess the first thing i need is a very good tape deck? ok, cheers. Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" Subject: (orb) [Fwd: AB-CD New Release Update] Date: 21 Jun 2001 22:07:46 -0400 got this, as well, as many of you probably, but I figured some would be interested... snipped for brevity... .............. we all have downloaded one way or another from these guys.... DUBLAB PRESENTS / VARIOUS - Freeways ...From the amazing Emperor Norton label comes an audio tour through the burgeoning electronic/underground & hip-hop scene in the city of Los Angeles. Every track on the compilation is an exclusive song that will not appear anywhere else." Artists include: Languis, Daedelus, Mia Doi Todd, Dntel, John Tejada, Mannequin Lung, Yesterday's New Quintet, Divine Styler, Damon Aaron, Nowhereman, Ammoncontac, Skull Valley, Adam Rudolph. $ 13.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/EMPN7039.2 this just sounded kinda cool....... MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY - Like A Duck To Water ...The world's first all synthesizer ensemble! This was their 2nd & final release, and was originally released in 1976. The music is a unique blend of space electronics (ala Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze), minimal music (Terry Riley, Philip Glass), and contemporary classical & electronics (Gordon Mumma, John Cage). A uniquely American slant on synthesizer music by a band whose pioneering contributions to the genre had been forgotten until now. Includes bonus CDRom material. $ 11.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/CUN147.2 again, the description got me.... NOODLES PART II / COMPILED BY SI BEGG / VARIOUS - Complete Death Of Cool ... "Noodles" sounds as if Negativland and the Tape Beatles were on Ninja Tune, making sounds the Bonzo Dog Band or Spike Jones could only dream of... $ 15.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/BAY14CD coldcut... nuff said COLDCUT & GUILTY PARTY - Re:volution (EP) $ 6.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/NJAT1288.2 I know a lot of us got plaid on the brain... PLAID - Double Figure $ 13.47 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/WRP84.2 this is reallly cool, I have it, but have yet to find the time to listen to it... go figure... it's on negativland's label. PLUNDERPHONICS - 69 Plunderphonics 96 $ 27.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/SEE515.2 this just seems really cool too. anybody know about Deep Space? WOBBLE, JAH & DEEP SPACE - Largely Live in Hartlepool and Manchester (Dbl) $ 19.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/30HZCD15 that's all... -ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Otis Brown" Date: 22 Jun 2001 02:11:30 -0000 Hey there. I did a jungle remix of Montage D'Or a while. Here's a link in streaming Real Audio. Let me know what you all think: http://www.iuma.com/mugly-bin/ramgen.ram?aid=42406&sid=117600 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nexus" Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Date: 21 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0700 Though I know most of you hate this stuff, I spin a lot of dark progressive techy stuff with some occaisional trance or breaks records, minidisk mixes are available if you want em... 1- the absolute family- encense's road/snaky way 2- the orb- AHEGPB>>> Starecase remix!!!!! 3- trancecentral station-tears 4- jerry bonham- erendira 5- future acoustics- the strobe 6- prototype- control of sound 7- praha - pachinko ( chab' dub) 8- pitch black -come to me/ fingers burnt 9- subtech-give in to the pressure 10-cass& slide - glad i ate her 11- sasha- the unreleased dj mixes (lupus & scorchio) 12-parks and wilson- feel the drums ep 13- brethren- reservation 14- max graham- shoreline/falling together 15-slacker-slack man sound/ fusion plus tons of others for the non house stuff 16- orb- cydonia 2x12" 17- orb -once more brown cover w/ the ft explores satan mix 18- orb- fluffy clouds '98 19- sasha- baja 20- orb -orbus terrarvm 21- cass - cerebral noodles cheers! -Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: (orb) Ok, so WTF is up with Badorb? Date: 21 Jun 2001 22:48:07 -0500 So, what the f*&$ is up with badorb? Did they order? Press? How the hell can I order? Why does flash suck so badly? Can anyone tell me what's going on? This is really frustrating, and I'll be highly pissed if I can't get the badorb releases because I couldn't order. Anyone? Smiley? -=brian=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CarsTrucksBuses@aol.com Subject: (orb) anything Date: 22 Jun 2001 01:01:23 EDT ive posted a few times on this same subject, but i havent gotten any responses so im just as curious...i'm looking for any of the released orb vids (patterns and textures esp!! - adventures beyond is one of my fav albums)...if someone has them and would copy em for me, or if someone will just point me in the right direction of where i can find it...anything you could tell me will prolly help... peace tom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 10:47:13 +0100 >>I have been dying to hear this one for a while... Don't get too excited......... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 04:02:35 -0600 I thought it was a nice treat, anyone else have some sort of review for this song? > > >>I have been dying to hear this one for a while... > > Don't get too excited......... > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:30:25 +0100 That wasn't my review........It's not bad - sort of a breakbeaty tune with a cross fader type wash in/out running though it with a nice sort of squeaky thing in the background. In comparison to some of the other tunes on Cydonia, it's not that good. I suspect that it's the "unheard" or rare factor that interests most people. The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it to OAA is because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy if you really want it. I just think most people are too lazy to get off their arse and find it or too tight to get their money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2 on Ebay go for not a lot. It is better than ERM or Red Worm [off the Radio 1 sessions]. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orbette Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Date: 22 Jun 2001 06:26:06 -0700 Here is what is in one of my bags (I have three), listed alphabetically Alphawezen - L'apres Midi d'un Microphone Beady Belle - Home Block 16 - Morning Sun Broadway Project - Compassion Burnt Friedman - Plays Love Songs Crystal Method - Tweekend Cybophonia - Cybophonia Dauerfisch - Crime of the Century Claude Debussy - Premiere Rhapsodie pour Saxaphone De-Phazz - Death By Chocolate Fauna Flash - Fusion Fila Brazillia - Sycot Motion (EP) Dexter Gordon - Go Jaga Jazzist - A Livingroom Hush Joakim Lone Octet - Tiger Sushi J-Walk - The Wasp/French Letter (12inch) Roland Kirk - We Free Kings Elvin Jones/Kenny Garrison Sextet - Illumination! Leggo Beast - Sines and Cymbals Lemongrass - Windows Pressure Drop - Tread Shantel - Great Delay Susumu Yakota - Grinning Cat Tetris - Tetris Uko - Uko Underwolves - Under Your Sky Various Artists Black Coffee 3 Bongo Sketches Volume 1 Dub Plates from the Lamp Headlands: Deepdown Tempos Volume 02 Kaleidoscopic Beats La Yellow Colleccion Om Lounge 5 Pro Cannibis 4 Room Service Roots of Dub Funk Sonarkolletiv Sushi 4004 Waldeck - The Night Garden Xploding Plastix - Amateur Girlfriends Go Proskirt Agents 'bette np: Deadbeats - Funky for You # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 08:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Wellll....it could be argued that a lot of the stuff on the OAA isn't "that hard to get"...if you've got the cash and patience to scour the net for the discs. And the availablility of "genuine" discs is usually dependent on your geographic location... I thought the OAA was made for the purpose of sharing such albums...especially the hard-to-get promos. This isn't a flame or anything...just an opinion. james > The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it to OAA is > because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy if you really want > it. I just think most people are too lazy to get off their arse and find it or > too tight to get their money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of > V2 on Ebay go for not a lot. ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 14:13:54 +0100 No, you're missing the point. Yes stuff like the Radio 1 session is impossible to own originally because it's a Radio broadcast. Stuff like the 58 minute demo of Loving you is the same because it's a copy of an audio tape and was never released. Stuff like Jam on yer honey and the Once More promos are available, despite them being promo only. Someone on the list ably proved this the other day when she got hold of all three vinyl copies for less than I paid for them - and she was in the US. Like I said, it's not impossible or expensive. Geography has no relevance whatsoever - see my point above. You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 10:02:02 -0400 (EDT) I agree it's not impossible to obtain the stuff you're describing...it's just that it might be prohibitively expensive or difficult for some (NOT all) people. Some people collect hard-to-get albums and such as a hobby. Others just like to listen to the music. I tend to think that people who download from the OAA fall into the latter category. I also agree that the Radio broadcasts and tape conversions on the OAA are impossible to find elsewhere - but most of the other stuff on the OAA isn't. Bootlegs and singles can also be found on e-bay or other places...at a cost. The OAA is a place where people put these albums to share with other listmembers so they don't have to spend the time/money looking for them. I won't argue that it doesn't decrease the value of the original albums (which may be what you're worried about). I'm not sure that a lack of patience is equivalent to laziness, though. > You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness. james ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:26:56 +0100 Without being rude, you're missing my point. It's nothing to do with the value - my point is this. If I can be bothered to look for stuff and get it then it's not that hard as other people have already shown. I'm not on any DJ mailing lists, don't know the band's management or have any contacts in the record business...... I managed to get hold of the US promo of Once More for 8 quid, which I'm sure you'll agree is not a lot of money. It was one of only three purchases I made that month as I no longer have a huge amount of "spare" cash with two mortgages to pay. Everyone seems to moan that it's impossible to find promo stuff, especially in the states - so what the fuck am I doing with a US promo in the UK??? If you had the OPTION of spending [some] money on Orb releases [whether they be promo or normal] or sitting on your fat arse and downloading them for nothing - which would you do??? It may seem like I'm making a big deal out of this, but the thing is that some listees have the fucking temerity to ASK people to up stuff to the OAA like they have a right to it - that to me is laziness. The other major bitch is that it's "so hard to get promo stuff" like I keep saying - it's not. If someone "really really wants to hear" something and they can't be bothered to TRY and find it or shell out some cash when they do, then you have to question how much they "really" want it. Ebay CAN be a little expensive, but I got a Cydonia CDR for a tenner from there - so get rid of that misconception before you go any further. Stuff is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. There are plenty of online record shops that specialise in OOP stuff or promo stuff, some are expensive some aren't - the URL's were posted not that long ago. Not everyone can own every record, but then surely you/others can see that no-one has a right to be able to listen to it if they don't have it? I wouldn't expect it, if there was something I couldn't get hold of or simply couldn't afford then it's tough shit in my book. I'd do without, I certainly wouldn't EXPECT someone to copy it for me. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gliddenm@nettaxi.com" Subject: (orb) lazyness and the world of buying Date: 22 Jun 2001 07:37:12 -0700 >Stuff like Jam on yer honey and the Once More promos are available, despite >them being promo only. Someone on the list ably proved this the other day >when she got hold of all three vinyl copies for less than I paid for them - >and she was in the US. > >Like I said, it's not impossible or expensive. > >Geography has no relevance whatsoever - see my point above. > >You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness. while i don't want this to escalate into a flamewar, i can't let this stuff go by..these arguments came up originally with the OAA stuff (which i participated in)...it's possible to find this stuff (i finally got the once more promo 12" i was looking for- among other items)...it's nice to get collectibles; i've spent a lot of money on this crap (ahem, i also just recently got the aubrey mixes)...i don't really see the big deal though- it's not someone else's fault if you buy something as an investment and the price goes down...you should enjoy what you have and stick with that.. in the case of promos- if you buy those LX isn't getting money anyway (i assume, call me an ass if i'm wrong)...so while it's cool to buy promo stuff (which i've done) it's not as if it's making LX poor because you aren't... i've recently resorted to buying some stuff on ebay i haven't found elsewhere (pomme fritz vinyl, etc)...i love having the record, even though i've had the cd for years- still i recognize buying it on ebay from some guy means LX doesn't get a cent of it...but i enjoy having the item as much as i enjoy listening to the music... so anyway, the OAA's cool because you can download stuff that otherwise you have to fork over big money for in a secondary market where the only profit goes to whoever originally bought the album in question (not that there's necessarily a problem with that, either). the only problem i see (and a reasonable argument could be made) is with super-recent promo stuff...it might get released as a commercial release at some point..hopefully people on the list that access the various OAA ftp sites can be trusted in times like these- i don't really like the alternative of not getting rare tracks out there (ie, if i hadn't heard the mp3 of the jimmy cauty remix of 'once more' i probably wouldn't have spent weeks searching out the 12" promo so i could get it)... so yeah, it's cool to buy promos and stuff, but i don't think someone should be criticized for not doing it if they don't feel like spending the time/money searching for it (as in the case of cydonia v2.0). matt. Shop Smart Compare Prices on Name-Brand Products from Name-Brand Stores!! http://www.smartshop.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?ssa=4099 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 09:43:56 -0500 matt, why don't you just go around and buy up all the orb promos that are so easy to find and that way when ever anyone is looking for one they can just give the old mattster a jingle and bingo its on its way. do you have credit card capabilities? thanks matt. john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:56:23 +0100 hmmm, resort to sarcasm when faced with facts. Speak to the newish US lady listee who got all 3 Once More UK promos for 30 dollars.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:19:31 -0400 (EDT) > If I can be bothered to look for stuff and get it then it's not that hard as > other people have already shown. I'm not on any DJ mailing lists, don't know > the band's management or have any contacts in the record business...... Its really something you have to look at on a case by case basis. The simple fact is that the amount of time and or money and or effort required to find that one particular rare gem is not always something that everyone can give. > I managed to get hold of the US promo of Once More for 8 quid, which I'm > sure you'll agree is not a lot of money. Given your reference to the word 'quid' I assume you are living in the no-longer-as-great-as-when-it-was-a-huge-empire Britain. :) Okay, not all of us live there. Comparing record shopping in the UK to record shopping in, say, midwestern america is tantamount to comparing the quest for corn in a cornfield to the quest for water in a desert. This is due to many factors, not the least of which being that the orb lives in the UK, the orb's label is in the UK, and there are WAY more stores of MUCH higher caliber there than in MOST other places in the world. Keep things in perspective my friend! Most humans on the planet live in places where they're lucky to have a chain record store that carries 1500 copies of the new Backstreet boys album and nothing else. > It was one of only three purchases > I made that month as I no longer have a huge amount of "spare" cash with two > mortgages to pay. So you at least understand that particular roadblock to the process. :) > Everyone seems to moan that it's impossible to find promo stuff, especially > in the states - so what the fuck am I doing with a US promo in the UK??? Because even the US labels realize that there's a bigger market in the UK and send more stuff there. > If you had the OPTION of spending [some] money on Orb releases [whether they > be promo or normal] or sitting on your fat arse and downloading them for > nothing - which would you do??? Its not that simple! First off, the music industry is one of the few industries today that expects people to purchase things without knowing exactly what they're getting. You buy a cd in most places and the cds are sealed. If you're lucky, one or two songs from the CD may have been played on an obscure radio station, that normally specializes in peruvian llama music, at 3am christmas eve. Hence the HUGE draw of people to services like napster... Put it this way. Imagine you want to buy a car. Your first thought is, I want to go and SEE the car and DRIVE the car and see what I think of it before I buy it. When you buy a house, you go and see the house. When you buy groceries, you can inspect the quality visually. I mean christ, you can even get samples of ice cream from most ice cream stores. If another industry other than our beloved producers of music tried to pull a stunt like this, people would go nuts! Imagine buying a car without ever seeing or test driving up. Unthinkable! So, I submit that it's a REASONABLE and NECESSARY step in the music buying process to LISTEN to what you're considering purchasing BEFORE you do so! Especially if the only actual copy you can find is sitting on ebay for $50 or hermetically sealed in plastic in some shi-shi NYC record store where they want $200 for it. > It may seem like I'm making a big deal out of this, but the thing is that > some listees have the fucking temerity to ASK people to up stuff to the OAA > like they have a right to it - that to me is laziness. The other major bitch > is that it's "so hard to get promo stuff" like I keep saying - it's not. You are assuming that downloading music is transplanting purchasing. Maybe they want it so they can HEAR it before they spend their hard earned money on it. Maybe they intend to buy it later, at a more reasonable price than the ones available at this particular moment. This is the same mistake that the RIAA is making; People do not download music, for the most part, instead of buying the actual song. Especially people on this list. Have a little faith in your fellow man! :) Granted there are some exceptions to this, but I think that the numbers speak for themselves (since the advent of napster, record sales OVERALL have skyrocketed, which is particularly interesting given that they have been steadily falling for decades, maybe due to this no-preview deal the record companies have going? :P) > If someone "really really wants to hear" something and they can't be > bothered to TRY and find it or shell out some cash when they do, then you > have to question how much they "really" want it. How do you know that they haven't!? You're assuming again... :) > Ebay CAN be a little expensive, but I got a Cydonia CDR for a tenner from > there - Wow. You're a lucky man. :) > Not everyone can own every record, but then surely you/others can see that > no-one has a right to be able to listen to it if they don't have it? I Hrm. I don't know if agree with this statement. I don't think that lack of ability or means to PURCHASE music should somehow prevent you from enjoying it. I mean, music originally was only played live, was totally transient, and free to all (more or less). All you needed was some skills and something to play on, even just your own voice. The advent of recorded music has somehow implied that someone can 'own' a piece of music. I agree that someone can own the right to make MONEY off of that music, but to imply that, once released, a song can be owned by anyone is silly! Anybody with half a brain and any music talent can hear a song, remember the lyrics, and repeat it themselves... Granted this is not quite as much the case with electronic music, but thats a limitation of the equipment upon which it is produced. I think the basic principle is the same. If someone wants simply to hear your song, LET THEM! Its not like you can really prevent them from bootlegging it anyways. :) > wouldn't expect it, if there was something I couldn't get hold of or simply > couldn't afford then it's tough shit in my book. I'd do without, I certainly > wouldn't EXPECT someone to copy it for me. You're thinking in terms of physical objects that cannot be reproduced digitally without damaging the original copy. I would agree with you if you were talking about a house. But we aren't talking about a house. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) What's In Your Bag? Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:22:54 -0400 whoa - who woulda thought these guys are tweekers!? ::Crystal Method - Tweekend # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:47:26 -0400 i think one of the big differences for finding records in the UK and US is being able to walk into a record store and being able to find what you are looking for, for the most part... well i don't know for sure how it is in the UK, but when i shop at the record stores around here i really have a hard time finding what i want, especially since most of the artists i listen to are from the UK. if i didn't have a credit card i'd be fucked, cuz it is nearly impossible to find GOOD electronic music in a record store around here. it seems, for the most part, that americans are still stuck to the guitar, so that is the kind of music that you will mostly find... i have never had too much trouble finding Orb albums, but like i said before, when i bought Cydonia when it came out, they didn't even have it out on the shelves, i had to ask for it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:53:04 -0400 I have to agree with Matt on this one. When faced with the choice between searching for rare music in a physical form or posting to the list for some one to up the item in question to an FTP site, which would you do? Hell, I've spent upwards of $40 for rare Orb Items both on eBay and from folks on this list. Hell, John Moxness alone charged me $45 for a used copy of the U.F. Orb 2xCD. I was happy to pay it (market value on eBay at the time shot it up to over $50) and I know John was more than happy to take it. The point that Matt was trying to make, whether you call it laziness or lack of patience or whatever, was that there is a BIG difference from being a fan in a remote location with out access to good stores or credit cards (for internet orders) and downloading tracks from the OAA to satisfy a craving to hear a rare piece and Just sitting at your office computer opting to scour an FTP site instead of trying to search for the item in question in the physical world. Of course, there are always exceptions. The argument goes that if you hear it on MP3 first and totally flip for something it will only serve to ignite the fire for the hunt that much more. On the other hand, I think it makes it easy to show a lack of patience. Consider the following: Do I: a) search for the item on eBay and other sites that "stock" OOP releases by my fave artists? OR b) connect to an FTP site or Napster-like service and hear the track in question 20 minutes from right now? As human nature dictates, most people will choose the path of least resistance. I don't believe that Matt was trying to legislate any morality. He was just playing devil's advocate on the side of actually trying your best to find a physical copy of the release (regardless of how it's sold... i.e. promo sales not reaching LX's pocket) versus NOT trying and just opting to d/l the track. Because more times than not it ends there. You hear the track a few times and then it rots on your hard-drive. Again, neither Matt nor I am trying to prove that MP3s are bad. I've got over 12 gigs of the stuff. Some I've gone out and bought originals for, others I have not. MP3s aren't inherently evil by any means. But it does bring in the question of how much the music is worth to you. For someone like me or Matt, searching for and procuring the original release is 2/3 the fun (the other 1/3 is the music). And since this point is rarely advocated in terms of the OAA and finding rare Orb releases, I think you can see where he and I are coming from. Matt's post was also to refute the excuse that Promo's are hard to come by or are way to expensive. While I can't refute that it can be costly to collect rare music, the effort to find these releases w/ the advent of the Internet is no where near as hard as it was before it. You have access to record stores across the WORLD just by using your computer. Imagine, ten years ago you had to scour brick-and-mortar establishments, which for most people was limited to what was in their immediate area (save for hitting stores while on vacation). Regardless the reason you download from the OAA, you do your self a dis-service by not at least superficially trying to track down a release in the physical realm. It's always worth it in the end. Because any reason not to search for it, is just that: an excuse. : e r i c : : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marcolphus Subject: (orb) Orb's "Yungle" vs Orbital's "Meltdown" Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:33:24 +0200 Don't you think that both songs are kinda similar?? Both are fast, drum'n'bass style like and 10 minutes long... I found them both very nice :-) -- == http://i.am/marcolphus ========== Fluke & Voo Voo discographies == == gry dodawane do czasopism ==== http://strony.poland.com/markolf == # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) synethesia Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:19:01 -0400 ok - i hope you guys find this interesting... it's about the guitarist from some band named TOOL... http://www.toolband.com/identity/index.html Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:16:57 +0100 WHOOOOOOOSH. Someone call the whoosh police cos my points went sailing over most of your heads.......... Again - I'm not saying don't use the OAA - all I'm saying is:- 1. don't EXPECT stuff to be on there. 2. don't moan when people don't put stuff on there. 3. don't take the piss and EXPECT people to burn CD's left right and centre [John M's email was NOT the only one I received, I got about 40. I've had others since about different stuff]. 4. don't moan about stuff not being available. It is. 5. don't moan about record shops not stocking stuff. It's available. I'm not saying that just because you can't afford something or can't get it [Ben's argument about not being able to get to shops holds absolutely no water because I don't fucking go to record shops - I just don't have the time, I use the Internet - so I could just as well be in India or Egypt] then fuck you not my problem, I'm not. I'm saying you have no right to EXPECT it and absolutely no right to bitch about the fact that it's impossible to get hold of. Surely one has to cut their cloth according to their means? If I can't afford to eat Steak, I won't. End of. I won't bitch about the fact or moan that other people do. That's tantamount to begging in my book. I will lay a months wages on the fact that 95% of people who d/l stuff off the OAA will NOT bother to get off their arse and buy it, just because they heard the mp3. A car or house is just a little bit more expensive than a record. I was actually talking about records, if I can't afford it or can't find it then I don't have it. Simple as that. I know that the money from promo's and stuff does not go to Alex - I couldn't care less if he makes money or not. It's the principle of the matter, just don't try and use it as a lame excuse for d/l stuff off the OAA. I'm not going to stand here and make any stupid statements about how much of a fan you are compared to your record collection because it has no relevence, it's bullshit. I don't pretend to be any sort of major fan. I think some of the Orb's records are shit. I know some people can't afford to buy every record, but in reality these aren't the people asking people to upload Jam on yer Honey, Bicycles & Tricycles, Once More remixes or the latest Orb remix to the OAA. I know I'm not alone in thinking like this, and I obviously hit a nerve with one of two of you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:23:17 +0100 >>dude your trippin'. Not for about 3 years now...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kelly" Subject: (orb) MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:38:08 -0400 i saw this crew back in the mid-70's, they were great. very ambient, very bubbly. nice ole-time electronics with the fat, fat sound. their 1st lp is the good one, if memory serves me correctly. snip........................... this just sounded kinda cool....... MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY - Like A Duck To Water ...The world's first all synthesizer ensemble! This was their 2nd & final release, and was originally released in 1976. The music is a unique blend of space electronics (ala Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze), minimal music (Terry Riley, Philip Glass), and contemporary classical & electronics (Gordon Mumma, John Cage). A uniquely American slant on synthesizer music by a band whose pioneering contributions to the genre had been forgotten until now. Includes bonus CDRom material. $ 11.97 http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/CUN147.2 again, the description got me.... unsnip................... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:47:02 -0500 can someone tell me what the OAA is for? i was under the impression that it was for us orb listies to hear out of print, bootleg, live or what have you orb related stuff that was not being sold in a record shop so that the listies could actually hear it. the only things not allowed were things that are in print and would take away sales of orb merchandise which would directly effect lx and co. is this correct? john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:06:12 -0700 John Moxness wrote: > > can someone tell me what the OAA is for? i was under the impression that it > was for us orb listies to hear out of print, bootleg, live or what have you > orb related stuff that was not being sold in a record shop so that the > listies could actually hear it. the only things not allowed were things > that are in print and would take away sales of orb merchandise which would > directly effect lx and co. is this correct? That is mostly right, IIRC, but leaves out a few distinctions. For example, current remixes of other artists by the Orb are a no-no. If you *really* need me to explain the rationale for that, I will, but it is pretty obvious, and I assume most people can figure it out. Most people should also be able to figure out why potential B-sides from the current album might not be a good thing to have on the OAA. Not to mention current promo material that could see commercial release. Now, of the three ftp sites most mentioned on this list, only one is the OAA; the others are private sites subject to their owners' whims. But it doesn't hurt all that much to take the stated wishes of the artist into consideration, particularly when they are as unrestrictive as Alex's are. Finally, while I do/have downloaded a fair bit from the various sites, I buy everything from the Orb I can get my hands on at a reasonable price. (And almost everything can be found at a reasonable price, if you look, and have just a bit of patience.) However, I'm quite sure I'm the exception rather than the rule, which is all the more reason to keep current material off of the ftp sites, human nature being what it is. Chris np: The Wonder Stuff - Unbearable # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:14:59 -0600 That's too bad. Not that the orb would be benefiting any purchase of the promo copy, but I haven't seen a copy on ebay in quite some time, and had even a harder time getting a response from anyone on the list about trading a burn for it or even just to hear the song. Which Is why I upped it as soon as I got it, so all of us lazy orb fans could have a listen. > > The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it > to OAA is because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy > if you really want it. I just think most people are too lazy > to get off their arse and find it or too tight to get their > money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2 on > Ebay go for not a lot. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:24:43 -0700 > That's too bad. Not that the orb would be benefiting any purchase of > the promo copy, but I haven't seen a copy on ebay in quite some time, > and had even a harder time getting a response from anyone on the list > about trading a burn for it or even just to hear the song. Which Is why > I upped it as soon as I got it, so all of us lazy orb fans could have a > listen. First off, reference my previous point about potential B-sides. Secondly, there has been a copy of v2 on eBay within the past few weeks. For a while, it was constantly available on eBay, with an auction closing at least once a week. And there are *lots* of other places where such things can be found, but yes, it does take a bit of effort. (Part of the problem people may be experiencing with eBay is that they broke their international search engine for music a while ago, so a lot of items listed on the various international sites do not show up on the eBay US site, even if you are doing an "international" search. (There are ways around this, some better than others, but they're a trade secret. ;) It isn't that hard to figure it out though; again, it just takes a little effort.)) Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most likely to have the "good" stuff are generally going to be the hardest to trade with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons. Welcome to life. ;) Chris np: They Might Be Giants - The Statue Got Me High # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Be prepared to pay. Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:43:55 -0600 Is what badorb.com is telling me now... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Be prepared to pay. Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:46:15 -0700 bi11i wrote: > > Is what badorb.com is telling me now... Heh. I've been thinking about that for a while...we have no idea how much BadOrb is going to charge, nor how much they are going to want for international shipping. It would be a real bitch, after all this time, if the prices were so unreasonable it put people off. :P Chris (still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:57:27 -0600 I see your point and agree, maybe I was just a bit bitter about not be able to get this track earlier as a lot of people had it (from what you're telling me.) I'm an orb fan just like everyone else and have a hard time with the perception that "if I worked this hard to get it, so should you. No hard feeling, sorry if I came off abrupt.... > > In fact, while I do have a large, and nearly complete > collection of orb and Orb-related material, I am probably the > easiest such person on the orblist to trade with. I've never > not been able to work out a trade with anyone who had at > least a few hundred CDs in their collection. My one sticking > point is that I do insist on a trade; I don't have time or > energy for B&Ps, nor do I do freebies. If that makes me a > elitist scumbag, so be it. ;) > > Part of the point that seems to be going missing in this > discussion is this disconnect between those who want > something handed to them on a platter and those who are > willing to put in a bit of effort to acquire it. I doubt > these two camps will ever see eye to eye. > > I hope there are no hard feelings on your end, this sort of > discussion shouldn't be that intense. > > Chris > > > > > > > Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most > likely to have > > > the "good" stuff are generally going to be the hardest to trade > > > with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons. Welcome to life. ;) > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 19:50:09 +0100 Which leads me to an interesting point. Some people are saying that hard to find stuff and stuff that's not possible to buy in the shops should be on the OAA. Where does badorb come in? It's whole purpose in life is to erm....sell records on the Internet and do away with a shop.... So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card, Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA??????? Will non UK listees pay the "extortionate" postage rates? I hope so ;-) They are also available from several of the [online] shops posted to the list a while ago. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marcolphus Subject: (orb) Songs still needed... Date: 22 Jun 2001 20:53:44 +0200 I'm still looking for these songs in mp3, maybe someone can help me: Little Fluffy Clouds (ambient mk1) 4:29 - someone has uploaded this on OAA, but after downloading I realized it's incorrectly labeled (dance mk 1) instead of ambient one :-( Peace (is this really the orb? mix) 3:21 - I bet it's just ambient version of Peace :-) Perpetual Dawn (ultrabass i) 8:06 - is it really so rare?? Blue Room (blue lamp mix) 14:17 - I still don't know what it is... Passing of Time (film mix) Asylum (blood sugar mix) 10:33 - definitely different than commercial version Bicycles & Tricycles 11:43 EDM (the blackhole mix) 4:12 - can someone upload it?? Requiem pour un c... 5:58 - this must be really sick Gainsbourg version :-) Thanks in advance!! -- == http://i.am/marcolphus ========== Fluke & Voo Voo discographies == == gry dodawane do czasopism ==== http://strony.poland.com/markolf == # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Be prepared to pay. Date: 22 Jun 2001 14:59:15 -0400 oh well, he will be losing alot of business... ::Chris ::(still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Be prepared to pay. Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:05:18 -0600 Yeah, I definitely can't wait to find out how much these releases will cost... > > bi11i wrote: > > > > Is what badorb.com is telling me now... > > Heh. I've been thinking about that for a while...we have no > idea how much BadOrb is going to charge, nor how much they > are going to want for international shipping. > > It would be a real bitch, after all this time, if the prices > were so unreasonable it put people off. :P > > Chris > (still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well) > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:05:31 -0600 Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website? > > So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a > credit card, Internet connection and some money [I understand > the records will be around the 5 quid mark] - so why has > someone upped them to the OAA??????? > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT) > I see your point and agree, maybe I was just a bit bitter about not be > able to get this track earlier as a lot of people had it (from what > you're telling me.) I'm an orb fan just like everyone else and have a > hard time with the perception that "if I worked this hard to get it, so > should you. No hard feeling, sorry if I came off abrupt.... This is so fascinating to me. This entire argument basically boils down to a capitolist versus socialist argument (at least as an apt metaphor). Namely, should people simply be left to fend for themselves in the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music. Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that music, as much, even CAN be owned... What an interesting idea. Hrm. Thoughts anyone, or am I just basically performing mental masturbation here? :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rob buse Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:02:11 -0400 >So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card, >Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around >the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA??????? Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA? Badorb is a new record label with brand new material from patterson and crew. I don't see how the "hard to find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb discs coming out. .rob music @ www.mp3.com/buse # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:10:00 -0700 bi11i wrote: > > > > Welcome to life? I have quite a bit of the "good" stuff and have never > seena any point in making it hard for someone else to enjoy the same > that I do. That attitude that the rare and hard stuff to find should be > kept to oneself has always made me laugh. I'd love to just find a band > and hoard all of their material so no one could hear it, but me -- then > I'd be really cool. That's not really what I said, is it? :/ I merely pointed out a fact. I didn't say it was good or bad, or that I approved or disapproved of any of the reasons. In fact, while I do have a large, and nearly complete collection of orb and Orb-related material, I am probably the easiest such person on the orblist to trade with. I've never not been able to work out a trade with anyone who had at least a few hundred CDs in their collection. My one sticking point is that I do insist on a trade; I don't have time or energy for B&Ps, nor do I do freebies. If that makes me a elitist scumbag, so be it. ;) Part of the point that seems to be going missing in this discussion is this disconnect between those who want something handed to them on a platter and those who are willing to put in a bit of effort to acquire it. I doubt these two camps will ever see eye to eye. I hope there are no hard feelings on your end, this sort of discussion shouldn't be that intense. Chris > > Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most likely > > to have the "good" stuff are generally going to be the > > hardest to trade with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons. > > Welcome to life. ;) > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:13:32 -0700 bi11i wrote: > > Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website? Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have been floating around for months. Chris np: v/a - No Alternative # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:17:01 -0700 rob buse wrote: > > >So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card, > >Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around > >the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA??????? > > Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA? Badorb is a new record label with > brand new material from patterson and crew. I don't see how the "hard to > find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb > discs coming out. It doesn't, except for the fact that the new BadOrb discs are on the ftp. Which just goes to show. :/ Chris (on a tear) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:23:39 -0600 Nah, I just checked them out -- they're just recordings of the streams. Either that or these pressing have the worst sound quality I've ever heard... > > > bi11i wrote: > > > > Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website? > > Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have > been floating around for months. > > Chris > > np: v/a - No Alternative > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:20:30 -0700 "Benjamin L. May" wrote: > > This is so fascinating to me. This entire argument basically boils > down to a capitolist versus socialist argument (at least as an apt > metaphor). Namely, should people simply be left to fend for themselves in > the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY > ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music. > > Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people > have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of > who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that > music, as much, even CAN be owned... > > What an interesting idea. Hrm. Thoughts anyone, > or am I just basically performing mental masturbation here? :) Nah. But keep in mind that socialism works best when everyone puts a certain amount of effort into the system, rather than depending upon a motivated few to keep things moving. ;) Chris (who hates what copyright, trademark, and patent protection has evolved into in our society) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) test Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:21:59 -0400 (EDT) I've sent out like 5 messages, and I haven't seen any yet. Am I banned or something? :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Those of you who were lucky enough to score the Badorb albums: how are they? Impressions? > Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have been > floating around for months. jamse ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rob buse Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:29:05 -0400 excuse my post, i didnt realize that bob recordings were on the oaa. even if they are the lofi streams. .rob >Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA? Badorb is a new record label with >brand new material from patterson and crew. I don't see how the "hard to >find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb >discs coming out. > >.rob music @ www.mp3.com/buse # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason I Hicks Subject: (orb) mp3 debate Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the cracks and is never available "officially". Also, nobody is supposed to sell promos, technically they aren't commercially available. Selling promos takes money away from the label and the artist, so this whole debate is pretty pointless, or maybe your points just flew over my head as well. . . ikki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) mp3 debate Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:56:27 -0700 Jason I Hicks wrote: > > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the > cracks and is never available "officially". I'd bet that way, but stranger things have happened. And that doesn't really matter either way. Alex's wishes for the OAA are known. Doing the right thing by them isn't all that burdensome, is it? > Also, nobody is supposed to > sell promos, technically they aren't commercially available. Selling > promos takes money away from the label and the artist, That isn't entirely true. Selling promos is perfectly legal in the US, it is part and parcel of marketing music. The real indignity is that it doesn't take anything away from the label; the the cost of promos is generally recouped from the artist, which adds insult to injury, IMO. But if they are out there, I'm going to buy them. Of course, if it is a band I like, I generally get the commercial release when I can. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: (orb) speaking of b-sides... Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:09:35 -0500 > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the > cracks and is never available "officially". I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject... When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And what will it be? My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer Honey," et. al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical single, if and when it ever comes out... It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone might have already done so a while ago?), but concrete information would be even better... anyone? anyone? Smiley? Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" and no others... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides... Date: 22 Jun 2001 14:19:53 -0600 I did hear a remix of centuries on a teatime session. Bill brooks has grabbed it and put it on the 2001:a space orbyssey. I can up it (ooohhhh, thin ice there...) if anyone is interested... > > > > > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the > cracks and is > > never available "officially". > > > I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject... > > When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And > what will it be? > > My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be > the only one who likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." > > This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer > Honey," et. al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical > single, if and when it ever comes out... > > It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone > might have already done so a while ago?), but concrete > information would be even better... anyone? anyone? Smiley? > > Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" > and no others... > > JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides... Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:20:01 -0500 > I did hear a remix of centuries > on a teatime session. I think it was buried in the BadOrb 40-minute promo mix, too, wasn't it? > Bill brooks has grabbed it and put > it on the 2001:a space orbyssey. Guh? What's that? JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:25:06 EDT man you talk about others bitching and whining listen to yourself. normally i would be on your side but i myself looked on ebay for this item and around the net and could not find a copy under $50 including shipping. thats too much, i dont want the CD (or CDR i should say) that bad. i have all the once more promos and have the special edition cydonia. look at my list you can see i spend way too much money on orb shit but i dont have cydonia v.2. this list is for sharing shit which you seem to have a BIG problem with, haha, whats with that caps shit fool. cheers monkey DJ TeleVision # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:32:25 -0700 > the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY > ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music. This statement belies the fact that you have no understanding of the concept of rights. A human being has rights because they are a volitional creature with conceptual consciousness. The short way to explain this is the opposite of living by rights is living by permission. Yet if a being of volitional, rational consciousness is denied their own free choice of decision (obviously with rules such as the rights of another are inalienable - violate theirs, lose yours), they do not have rights. Now, the right to something does NOT mean the right to demand it for free, from whoever provides it. It means you have the right to negotiate with them for their product - to trade - or not. You are speaking of music as if it just happened without anyone's productive effort going into it. Just how do you expect that person, whose product you have just stolen, to live - if you do not give value for value? Music is intellectual property as sure as a house is physical property - and without property rights you have no other rights. Let's say you own a stereo for playing your copies of music on. We will presume you purchased the material and therefore have the right to listen to it. Well, I like music. I can even argue that I need it more than you (and you have no effective argument because you have accepted need, which is subjective and cannot be measured, rather than rights as your criterion for ownership). So, you would willingly furnish me with your stereo and collection of recordings? All of them, because I need them more, remember. Yes, you are that socialist and willingly would? How about all your food? Your house? I need these things and by YOUR argument I have the absolute right to ask them of you - and by your same argument, I have the right to take them by force (because by your argument people don't have rights - therefore there is no crime when I violate your non-rights). > Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people > have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of > who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that > music, as much, even CAN be owned... See above. Obviously you are socialist. Well, I'd like to see you explain how socialism can even function, when all it actually accomplishes is stagnation, misery, death. You can't "share" something that has not been produced. The argument stops right there. Look at the "great experiment" of the Soviet Union - the ultimate hippie commune - and observe its history of bloody destruction. In short - Atlas may well shrug someday. Hope you're ready. Tim C. $ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:54:37 EDT we all thank you for this very much DJ TeleVision (lazy weed smoking orb fan) In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001 2:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "bi11i" writes: > The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it > to OAA is because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy > if you really want it. I just think most people are too lazy > to get off their arse and find it or too tight to get their > money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2 on > Ebay go for not a lot. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) speaking of b-sides... Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:56:27 EDT actually i dig centuries alot. that track moves me. DJ TeleVision In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001 4:12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, John Goelzer writes: << > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the > cracks and is never available "officially". I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject... When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And what will it be? My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer Honey," et. al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical single, if and when it ever comes out... It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone might have already done so a while ago?), but concrete information would be even better... anyone? anyone? Smiley? Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" and no others... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides... Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:02:57 EDT its a CD that was mailed out by the nice fello who organised and visualised the world wide orb party. BBRROO@aol.com or whatever. cool guy thanx for the CD bro. i much appreciate and i dig your chill out mixes on the 2nd disc. e-mail me anytime bro if you need some help with future ventures. and if youre reading and havnt checked out my mix (DJ TelVision A dream Within a Dream) you should e-mail me. ill hook you up with one of the original promo CDs which i finally chopped into tracks. the original was all one peice and the MP3s were that in 2 parts. the promo CD has something like 15 tracks (all the same recording divided differently) DJ TeleVision In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001 4:22:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, John Goelzer writes: << > I did hear a remix of centuries > on a teatime session. I think it was buried in the BadOrb 40-minute promo mix, too, wasn't it? > Bill brooks has grabbed it and put > it on the 2001:a space orbyssey. Guh? What's that? JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT) I want to preface this response by saying that I am not an absolute socialist. I only took the side of socialism for the this one particular point. Also, I want to mention that, tim, you are obviously superior to me in your rhetorical skills (i was an engineer in college and never took anything slightly akin to debate)... :) > This statement belies the fact that you have no understanding of the > concept of rights. Or that you misunderstood what I meant to begin with. :) > they do not have rights. Now, the right to something does NOT mean the > right to demand it for free, from whoever provides it. It means you True. But, under these circumstances, once a song is played, it can be reproduced by others who are not the original artist. And I don't mean by making a copy... > not. You are speaking of music as if it just happened without anyone's > productive effort going into it. Just how do you expect that person, > whose product you have just stolen, to live - if you do not give value > for value? Hrm. Well I suppose an argument could be made (i wont do it, I will fail) that music sort of does just happen. :) Anyone know the source of every song on the planet? :) > Music is intellectual property as sure as a house is > physical property - and without property rights you have no other > rights. Huh? You think all rights boil down to property rights? I have to think this one over, but I don't think i agree with that. A person has a right to gather their own food. Food is not property, its fuel for the body... And I think you're talking about about property in the context of a particular axiomatic system, namely the laws of the US, which I think are somewhat flawed in this respect to begin with. > Let's say you own a stereo for playing your copies of music > on. We will presume you purchased the material and therefore have the > right to listen to it. Well, I like music. I can even argue that I > need it more than you (and you have no effective argument because you > have accepted need, which is subjective and cannot be measured, rather > than rights as your criterion for ownership). I think you're either misquoting me, misunderstanding me, or assuming I said things I didn't. I never mentioned anything (or if I did I didn't mean it in that way) about need. Obviously, nobody actually needs any music at all. You can survive, reproduce, etc without music. Its not something you really 'need' as such. Although there is something to be said for quality of life. :) > So, you would willingly > furnish me with your stereo and collection of recordings? All of them, > because I need them more, remember. Well that's flawed because if I were a pure socialist I would refute the idea that you need it more than I. :) > Yes, you are that socialist and > willingly would? How about all your food? Your house? I need these > things and by YOUR argument I have the absolute right to ask them of you I never said that. You're sticking words in my mouth. You're grouping all kinds of stuffs that a person could potentially acquire during his or her lifetime, including luxury items and essentials and saying that there's some abstract metric called 'need' and that my 'need' for these things is somehow less than yours. You can't be asked to judge how much you 'need' anything that is not essential to your survival. Its very difficult to ask someone whether they NEED something or WANT something because need has both a relative and absolute meaning. Remember that scene from spaceballs 'I Told you to bring only what is essential for our survival!' response: 'This is my whatever model industrial strength hair dryer AND I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT!!!' :) Much more fair to have an uninvolved party look at the situation and make an informed objective decision. :) > - and by your same argument, I have the right to take them by force > (because by your argument people don't have rights - therefore there is > no crime when I violate your non-rights). I never said people had no rights! What I meant (and albiet may not have said in so many words) is that the idea of 'right to listen to music' needs to be further divorced from the idea of intellectual property of said music. I mean, you can't stop people from knowing a song, but you can (and should) prevent them from trying to profit from your work. > See above. Obviously you are socialist. Well, I'd like to see you > explain how socialism can even function, when all it actually > accomplishes is stagnation, misery, death. Well I would counter that by saying that there has yet to be a real implementation in the real world of socialism, as defined and intended by those who thought it up. Socialism is supposed to be something that humans realize is right after going through a time when wealth is held by a priviledged few, and the rest of the people live in abject poverty (see US economy from about 1850 until the fed starting controlling how large and powerful corporations can get, anti-trust, etc). Now, every actual instance of socialism in the world we live in has been some group of politicians who liked the idea and decided that their usually non-capitolistic society can benefit from this political structure (russia went from being primarily agricultural to being communist, as did china, and come to think of it I think all of the socialist nations). The problem is that this group of people decides, at some point, that THEY THEMSELVES would be able to govern the country better and basically just takes over because they were the ones spearheading the social change. Socialism, in the way the people who thought it up intended, is a situation where all the people in a society come to a moral realization that allowing the vast majority of wealth to fall into the hands of a small population (as it enevitably does in a capitolistic society, eg: General Electric, Bill Gates, etc) is wrong! I don't think this means (could be wrong, as usual) that nobody should have possesions per se, but rather that the human race has to at some point start thinking more like one macro0-organism; that the suffering of one person might as well be yours, and why not prevent it in any way you can. This is in direct opposition to the capitolistic idea of 'if you managed to make that money then you have the right to do with it whatever you want, as you see fit' Socialism says that you need to think of others, beyond just their capability to help you produce more money. Socialism is not supposed to be implemented by a few, thats why its never worked. In order for PURE socialism to occur, an entire society has to have a shift in beliefs all at once to realize that everyone has just as much right to wealth as anyone else. Or something. > You can't "share" something > that has not been produced. Huh? I can share my thoughts with someone. I can share a song. I can share a beautiful view, a moment, a joke. None of those things were produced in the sense I think you mean it. > The argument stops right there. Look at > the "great experiment" of the Soviet Union - the ultimate hippie commune > - and observe its history of bloody destruction. Yeah well I would say that russia was never a socialist state really. It's such a shame that these perversions of what is a pretty cool idea have given socialism such a bad status in our country... Personally, I think that in the end we, as a people, will have to become more socialist. By which I mean that we have to stop thinking so much about our damn selves because all that has done has pit us in a race against each other and as a byproduct destroyed a lot of the environment, and done a lot of other kinds of harm. I am not a socialist. I live in a capitolist society, the pinnacle of in fact (new york city, and I work for a company whose clients are all huge financial banks), that doesn't mean that I cannot believe that there are things that we can learn from socialist or that there are things wrong with capitolism. I mean for example, I think the US should have socialized medicine. Its a crime that we don't (we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't). And we use capitolist rhetoric to justify not having it. > Tim C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon" Subject: Re: (orb) lazyness and the world of buying Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:04:58 -0700 Well, let's not kid ourselves into thinking the OAA is really on the up-and-up. Some label or other still holds copyright on most of that material, at least until it falls into the public domain. This kind of thing is right at the heart of the whole Internet music piracy debacle. However, the Internet music piracy debacle has also highlighted the point that music is where you find it. And if there was enough rare stuff to go around, it stands to reason that it wouldn't be so rare. So if I find something I want to hear on an FTP site, sure I'll download it. But I don't think I'm making off like a bandit, because not only is the sound quality compromised but that mp3 is not going to hold its value (or impress the chicks) in the same way as my collection of gen-u-ine Orb discs. Anyhow, the practical reality is that this is a community of folks who have come together for the purpose of sharing Orb-related stuff, so that's what we do, and I prefer it to filling the pockets of rarity brokers. At the same time, let's not abuse the privileges that this technology affords us. Matt is quite right, in that we should not expect the OAA or its ilk to cater to our every Orbular desire. But, Matt, I will take issue with your criticism of moaning ... in my experience, moaning is a big part of collecting. =) My opinion -- If something is in print, please do not upload it to the OAA. If something is reasonably available, in your estimation, please think twice about uploading it. Please support your artists. Thank you. > Little Fluffy Clouds (ambient mk1) 4:29 > - - someone has uploaded this on OAA, but after downloading I realized > it's incorrectly labeled (dance mk 1) instead of ambient one :-( That was probably me. It's mislabeled on the disc as (ambient mk 1), when in actuality it's a unique dance mix. Lazlo took the liberty of calling it ('dance mk 1') in his discography. -=Seofon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) speaking of b-sides... Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:36:24 -0700 John Goelzer wrote: > I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject... I was hoping someone would run with this... ;) > When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And what will it be? I don't think another Cydonia release is very likely, but if there is one, I'm split between an "EP" (featuring stuff like Red Worm, JoYH, Yungle, Bicycles & Tricycles, etc.), or another single. > My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who > likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." If it's to be a single, I think A Mile Long Lump Of Lard would be my favorite, but I wouldn't be opposed to Thursday's Keeper. > This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer Honey," et. > al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical single, if and when it ever > comes out... Yeah! :P > It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone might have > already done so a while ago?), but concrete information would be even > better... anyone? anyone? Smiley? I'm pretty sure Smiley said that Ghostdancing was originally going to be the second single...(goes to check www.theorb.com)...yep, that's what it says... > Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" and no > others... Eh. Depending on how you count it, there have been other Orb albums with but a single single, so to speak. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" Subject: Re: (orb) mp3 debate Date: 23 Jun 2001 01:39:41 -0400 Chris Johnson wrote: > That isn't entirely true. Selling promos is perfectly legal in the US, > it is part and parcel of marketing music. I'm not so sure this is true. Most promo's do have the disclaimer that the disc is property of the record company, or that the disc is not for resale. To me, resale doesn't mean, "oh, since it was only sold once by the record store, it's legal," but really I'm not sure.. I'd say that the promos are not meant for resale. Of course when the label floods a market, or perhaps somebody at the label makes a few extra bucks by selling a couple cases to a few people....... > The real indignity is that it doesn't take anything away from the label; > the the cost of promos is generally recouped from the artist, which adds > insult to injury, IMO. But if they are out there, I'm going to buy them. I was going to mention this earlier. It is my general impression, and especially so for the major record labels, that all the promo costs are recouped from the artists themselves. I'm pretty sure that the orb's label does this, so if you think about it, by you and me and all of us, making the demand for the promo's so high, we are taking money from the orb. Catch-22 I guess. -ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey - continued Date: 22 Jun 2001 23:46:15 -0700 Hmmm, apologies if this comes through twice. It didn't make it through the first time, presumably due to extensive quotes, so I am trimming those. For full text of what I'm replying to, see original post. T > superior to me in your rhetorical skills (i was an engineer in college and > never took anything slightly akin to debate)... :) I was an engineer in college. I am an engineer now. I have never taken anything akin to, or participated in any organization dedicated to, debate. > Or that you misunderstood what I meant to begin with. :) I answered what you wrote. If you meant something other that what you wrote, you should have written something other that what you wrote. > can be reproduced by others who are not the original artist. And I don't > mean by making a copy... The intellectual property - the original song - is still the property of the artist. Cover versions could not exist without it. Cover versions have strict royalty rules when included on a sold work, but not for public performance - presumably out of the difficulty of policing them. > Hrm. Well I suppose an argument could be made (i wont do it, I > will fail) that music sort of does just happen. :) Anyone know the source > of every song on the planet? :) And who could make this argument? How could music (or any other human creation) just happen? The argument could not be made because it is not possible - it is not just the inadequacies of the particular arguer. > right to gather their own food. Food is not property, its fuel for the > body... Food most certainly is property. In this context, property is not "real estate" - it is "something owned or possessed" - be it physical (food, records, house) or non-physical (intellectual property). > are somewhat flawed in this respect to begin with. Only as their original purpose has been betrayed. And, yes, I am spaking in terms of a "particular axiomatic system." It's called reality. > something you really 'need' as such. Although there is something to be > said for quality of life. :) The concept of need-based morality (altruism) was implicit in your argument. I obviously have not misquoted you, as I addressed your text directly. I certainly did not misunderstand what you wrote - if you meant something different, you obviously have a ways to go as far as understanding, and thinking in terms of, essentials. It is these essentials, some of them implied, in your argument that I am addressing. If you like, "want" and "need" are interchangeable in my statement above. > Well that's flawed because if I were a pure socialist I would > refute the idea that you need it more than I. :) And how would you do that? And, what's this "pure socialist" stuff? Sit on the fence, get impaled. A mixed economy, unless righted by conscious effort, will move automatically towards socialism. > essential for our survival!' response: 'This is my whatever model > industrial strength hair dryer AND I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT!!!' :) I am not "sticking words in your mouth." I am drawing attention to the essentials and their fundamental meaning in everything you have stated - I am calling them out and naming them, so that you and everyone else can see the true nature of them. You implied in your argument that the right to possess music supersedes the rights of the people who produced it. Whether a piece of property is a luxury item or an essential, by your argument I can say "AND I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT!!!" and that gives me the right to demand it without payment. > Much more fair to have an uninvolved party look at the situation > and make an informed objective decision. :) Anyone who was in fact objective would make the same assessment. > but you can (and should) prevent them from trying to profit from your > work. How can you perform this divorce? You cannot! That is my point! And "needs?" There's that word again.... > intended by those who thought it up. Now you're actually starting to make me angry. This is one of the most blatantly ignorant, uninformed, and utterly evasive of reality (and unfortunately very common among socialist sympathizers and general populace philosophical sheep) viewpoints out there. Socialism cannot work in theory - cannot work in practice - the closer man comes to it, the more he will stagnate, and the more destruction will be wrought. And are you sure you understand the motives of "those who thought it up?" > corporations can get, anti-trust, etc). WHAT. EVER. Capitalism in the US CREATED the middle class, and created more general prosperity than anyone on Earth has ever known. Government control is what's bringing it back down. Anti-trust is evil - and not to mention ridiculous when you consider that monopolies CANNOT exist without government favoritism. > Socialism says that you need to think of others, beyond just their > capability to help you produce more money. I do not think of - or for - others. Other arguments against this stream of gibberish can be found throughout the rest of my response. > just as much right to wealth as anyone else. Or something. "Or something." Nice. And how do you expect an "entire society" to voluntarily shed its humanity and become a vicious pack of savages fighting over the scraps? > produced in the sense I think you mean it. The goal of socialism, as you have stated repeatedly, is sharing of wealth. That is the context of discussion. Ironically, most everything you've mentioned here can in fact be included in the realm of human thought/productivity/wealth. Thoughts can be worth money - useful if you're an engineer by trade, for example. A song can be worth money. A beautiful view can be worth money - say, nature photography books for example. Even jokes can be worth money - observe the take at the box office of any decent comedy for example. I might add, if you are in the position to share these things of your own production with someone, I highly doubt it will be with someone whom you do not value. There is no free love. > idea have given socialism such a bad status in our country... Perversions? Cool idea? Sigh. You really think the scenario of me showing up at your doorstep and having the right to your possessions, your food, your dwelling (back to my original example which all your blubbering has not refuted - and somehow your disclaimer at the start absolves you of this responsibility - even though despite your claim that you basically couldn't argue it is now apparent that you'll damn well try?) is a COOL IDEA???!!! > socialist or that there are things wrong with capitolism. You live in a pinnacle of a capitalist society - and yet you don't see the worth of that? You'd prefer that NYC was a wasteland, that you'd like to come out of your hut there and farm for 15 hours, have no time for eating, no energy for enjoyment - no pleasure - no sex - to be reduced to the status of an animal living a hand to mouth (and hand to all your brothers' mouths, and all your brothers' mud-encrusted hands to your mouth)??? > that doesn't). And we use capitolist rhetoric to justify not having it. Uh, we do have it. Why do you think health care is so expensive and has gone so far downhill in quality? Talked to a Canadian about their health care system lately? The hideous waits for treatment? The brain drain from the field? It's happening here now, too. > wrong, sigh> I'm not attempting to prove you wrong. I am fighting for the emancipation of man from bad philosophy. I am on the front lines of a new renaissance. Many people may be wondering how the hell this discussion got into an Orb forum - well, I read 41 new emails this morning, many of them on this thread but none of which named an essential. Yours did, and I could not let it go unanswered. I urge anyone - ANYONE - who thinks that things are going wrong, that looks in despair at the crumbling world around them, that finds only vacuous shallowness in most of today's art and entertainment, that senses contradictions all around them, that is pissed off when the rave they are at gets shut down - you are not alone. If this reaches even one person that takes it seriously and discovers a world opened up to them - then it is all worth it, worth my time and energy to have sent this out - ideas that do not propagate die with the person who held them. If you wish to examine these issues further, the following are recommended: Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged - deals with all these issues in general detail. Her master work. Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead - more specific, deals primarily with the productive man vs. the non-productive man. Leonard Peikoff - Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand - the definitive, hierarchical text. Leonard Peikoff - The Ominous Parallels - details the rise, and philsophical causes, of Nazi Germany and the philosophical parallels in America today. Excellent book. Ayn Rand - We The Living - her most autobiographical work, details life (if you can call it that) in Soviet Russia. Read this if you want to see how well socialism works in practice. And a fantastic reference is The Ayn Rand Lexicon - edited by Harry Binswanger. Compilation of Rand quotes on given subjects, arranged in hierarchical order (abstract/general comments on concept first, to concrete/specific last), and original source given. T $ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: (orb) Badorb & B-Sides Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:27:47 +0100 Whoever it was that questioned the first three Badorb 12"s being on the OAA - Bob1 and Bob3 are on there. Whoever it was that asked what they were like - Don't be buying them expecting to hear the "orb" [whatever that is]....more sort of leftfield Techno tracks. I can imagine a few people might dismiss them on first listen. Not exactly commercial [is that a bad thing or a good thing?]. Bob2 appears to be the same track on both sides [just a slightly different mix]. Of the three, Bob1 is definately the best IMO. I think it was Chris who mentioned Ghost Dancing being the next single. I would imagine that all you'd get on the B-Sides would be different mixes or alternative edits....The Orb aren't exactly reknown for "doing" B-Sides. You probably won't hear the v1/2 tracks such as Ralf, Jam, Yungle [best one off any Cydonia version], Freely Wheely on any B-Sides. Bicycles & Tricycles will probably never be released. Shame, but there are obvious reasons why they won't be released. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= Subject: (orb) badorb-question Date: 23 Jun 2001 14:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Hi, I dontwant to get it from the OAA and I dont want to talk about Cydonia V2 at the moment. I did post that days ago,my problem is,that I dont have a credit card,so: Are there any people who have the same problem? Could anyone order that for me? I dont have question like is it good enough to buy,cause its the label from the orb. And if all people get it as Mp3 or something else,there will be no Badorblabel tomorrow, I think thats a shame!! Cy, Christoph from Germany __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" Subject: (orb) (OT) mouse on mars, NYC Date: 23 Jun 2001 09:32:10 -0400 I guess it's july 3rd. forget the venue... micah, you going? anybody else gonna be there? I'll be there. email me if anybody wants to meet up. -ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey - continued Date: 23 Jun 2001 10:59:05 -0500 While I believe everyone is entitled to his own opinion, I have to point out how quickly those who disagree with either me, Tim, or Vince are willing to jump on us for our opinions. It's amazing how many people on this list spout "tolerance", and then proceed to jump down the throats of anyone who doesn't agree with them. This is, after all, a forum for discussion, not a UN meeting-styled shouting match. :) >> Hrm. Well I suppose an argument could be made (i wont do it, I >> will fail) that music sort of does just happen. :) Anyone know the source >> of every song on the planet? :) Every song I have written has been a product of my mind. I have consciously created something; every knob-tweak, every note, every nuance of my songs are intentional, and are put there BY ME. Anyone who waves his hands about mystically and claims that music "just happens" is entirely nuts. Nothing -- NOTHING -- JUST HAPPENS. Alex does not just sit in a room and hum, while his keyboards and turntables magically crank out some song. From the song's inception to its completion, Alex is consciously making adjustments, changing passages, recreating, altering, making better his music. HIS MUSIC. HIS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. >> right to gather their own food. Food is not property, its fuel for the >> body... Why does everyone always think property is some physical land bounded by invisible lines upon which you reside? Property is anything OWNED OR POSSESSED, which is: my food, my car, my house, my songs, my computer, my thoughts, my writings, my rants, my raves, my arguments, my intellectual property. Food is something for which one must work. When one works for something, then that something becomes HIS PROPERTY. Thank you, Tim, for suggesting these WONDERFUL philosophical works: Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged - My Favorite Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead Leonard Peikoff - Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand Leonard Peikoff - The Ominous Parallels - Excellent book. Ayn Rand - We The Living - Socialism doesn't work. Read this and see why. These are just some of the books. Try Anthem, too. You'll see what your wonderful socialism gets you there too. :) Nice to see someone else with some good philosophy in their heads, eh, Vince? :D - Brian PS: If you're going to scream and shout and be crazy, don't bother flaming me. Just delete it. If you want to calmly and intellectually discuss this, please feel free to email me. I like philosophical discussion. I don't like shouting matches. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 23 Jun 2001 11:59:22 -0400 (EDT) * * Well I would counter that by saying that there has yet to be a *real implementation in the real world of socialism, as defined and *intended by those who thought it up. * Socialism was really first discribed in a book named Utopia by Thomas More. *think all of the socialist nations). The problem is that this group of *people decides, at some point, that THEY THEMSELVES would be able to *govern the country better and basically just takes over because THEY were *the ones spearheading the social change. Socialism (pure socialism) as a political ideal was never decided on by the people and then subverted by a few. It was always brought forth by a few who then used it as a way to mobilize the average citizens into an army with which to overthrow the current government in that country. It was always a tool to bring someone who was not in power, into power. That power was never handed down peacefully. That power was never used to bring prosperity to the average citizen. The citizens only involvement in it was as a tool to be used by the leaders to get into power. Look at all of the instances around the world and you will see this. Western Europe's limited Socialism is really the only instance of socialist government brought about by social conscience. All other instances are dictatorships. This really isn't unique to socialism though. Democracy was also used by an intelligent group of elite to overthrow governments that they did not have power in. Look at the US. Being governed by a King, led a group of people of intelligence and no power, to come together a use the concept of democracy to cause the common people to follow a revolt against the King. When the King was pushed out of the governance of the US, those elite few became the leaders. They were the wealthy land owners with the right to vote. Things have changed since then, and probably the common citizens life was better without the King, but it was not just everyone doing the right thing. It was a way for a smart man with no power to gain power by overthrowing the current government. * * Socialism, in the way the people who thought it up intended, is a *situation where all the people in a society come to a moral realization *that allowing the vast majority of wealth to fall into the hands of a *small population (as it enevitably does in a capitolistic society, eg: *General Electric, Bill Gates, etc) is wrong! I don't think this means *(could be wrong, as usual) that nobody should have possesions per se, but *rather that the human race has to at some point start thinking more like *one macro0-organism; that the suffering of one person might as well be *yours, and why not prevent it in any way you can. This is in direct *opposition to the capitolistic idea of 'if you managed to make that money *then you have the right to do with it whatever you want, as you see fit' *Socialism says that you need to think of others, beyond just their *capability to help you produce more money. A few things are being misused here. 1. When money goes to General Electric, it does not just go to a small group. It goes to all of the employees, and all of the owners (ie shareholders) which is a very large group of people. And of course the money spent by those people is the money earned by ma and pa at their corner store. It a capitolist view. The economy is a big circular system of money which in each part of it's cycle a different person earns his keep and prosperity from the same money. 2. Capitolist theory does not say I have my money, I made it, and I don't care about other peoples' suffering. It is worthless shitty people who say that and feel that way. But those people exist in every form of economy and government. Just because China is Communist, it does not mean you will see people sharing their bread with the poor person in the street. It is a matter of personal conscience. Hopefully we have enough people of conscience in our society to overcome those without it, but it is not just a by product of Capitolism. In fact there is far more charity in the US then in any other country, which is a matter of conscience and probably related to the fact that there are more people with disposable income to share. I won't argue whether it is also true that we have more people who need charity. * * Socialism is not supposed to be implemented by a few, thats why *its never worked. In order for PURE socialism to occur, an entire society *has to have a shift in beliefs all at once to realize that everyone has *just as much right to wealth as anyone else. Or something. * Pure Socialism will never work because we are human. Unfortunately that means that we have many flaws. For pure socialism to work all people would have to be altruistic, and that just is not going to happen. Because of our nature someone will always be trying to take advantage of the system. Maybe they will be trying to be a leader, with all of the power and prestige that comes with it. Or else they will just be trying to get something without having to do their own work for the common good. And then there is always theft. Even if we classify all of the human flaws as "ills" or psychological problems that are not faults of the person but just uncontrollable urges, those very urges can destroy the whole system. That was the downfall of the Communist system in most countrys. The fact that they were not pure socialist states. They were dictaroships. The dictator and his chosen cadre were above the rest of the masses. They had cars, houses, money, and planes. The common person did not prosper from his own work, but he could see someone else prospering. (This is were the most heard arguement comes in.) Why does someone want to work so hard when he is not getting enough food? And how hard can you work when you are tired? It is a giant mix of many things, but it always comes together the same way, even in different countries, cultures, histories, and philosophies. It went the same way in Russia, Asia, and South America. Imagine how socialism may have worked in the former Soviet Union if they did not have to spend most of their money on a defense budget? They may have had enough food to feed the people and motivation to prosper. However they had to have a defense budget to ward off any threats to their military dictatorship. The government was not worried about doing the right thing for each and every citizen. The government was worried about keeping itself in power. It is the same way in China today. It is not a socialist government with a socialist economic system. It is a dictatorship government with a socialist economic system. Utopia (pure socialism) can only occur if we can overcome all of the flaws of being human. * I mean for example, I think the US should have socialized *medicine. Its a crime that we don't (we are the only industrialized nation *that doesn't). And we use capitolist rhetoric to justify not having it. * Personally I am a fan of Socialist Medecine as well. In fact I think the US medical system is worse then just capitilist. Our medical system has many flaws that are just unimaginable. It is impossible to fathom how some of these flaws could become cemented in legislation if it weren't for morally corrupt people beholden to self interest. However all is not cheery in Socialized medicine. I cannot speak for everyone in countries all over the world. However I can say that none of my freinds in other countries in particularly happy with the medical systems in their countries, this includes Canada, Australia, and England. Most of my Swedish friends are content with their system. Their common complaints involve lack of doctors leading to multiweek delays to get an appointment, and difficulty in getting medications that they need. Socialized medicine also does not have the push to discover new cures and procedures that capitilist US medicine does. (However I really don't think this should be the case, or needs to be the case. It just is the case currently). The US system also leads to extortionist prices for medicine. For extortionist practices lead by Health care Insurance organizations. For lawsuits over mistakes by doctors. For doctors lying and covering up mistakes to avoid those lawsuits. It is all a mess, once again brought about by the flaws of being human. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:25:13 -0400 (EDT) * I want to preface this response by saying that I am not an * absolute socialist. I only took the side of socialism for the this one * particular point. Also, I want to mention that, tim, you are obviously I don't think that this mp3/music debate really has anything to relate it to Socialism. In a Socialist country where things are shared for the common good, when a new song comes out, or a band makes a new album, they don't just hand you a CD. If so, who would need the OAA or MP3s? Every person in the UK does not have a copy of Cydonia. They had to buy it. People in China have to buy it as well. The only right to music that anyone has... which also realtes historically... is the right to sing or play any music for themselves. When a Bard travelled around and played music for someone in the past. There was no way to record and play that music once he was gone. So there was no problem with ownership. However anyone could sing that song if they wanted to. jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Birgbauer Subject: (orb) re. jam on yer honey Date: 23 Jun 2001 13:01:37 -0400 I couldn't get this mp3 to work. it claims it's not an mpeg or it has corrupt headers er something... anyone else have this problem? i tried to get it on a mac and a pc can someone mail a copy that works?? thanks! jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: (orb) (OT) mouse on mars live Date: 23 Jun 2001 13:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Speaking of Mouse on Mars...what're they like live? Worth seeing? (they're coming to Toronto soon...) james > I guess it's july 3rd. forget the venue... micah, you going? anybody > else gonna be there? I'll be there. email me if anybody wants to > meet up. > -ben ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon" Subject: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 10:22:15 -0700 > You are speaking of music as if it just happened without anyone's > productive effort going into it. Just how do you expect that person, > whose product you have just stolen, to live - if you do not give value > for value? Music is intellectual property Well, the whole thing is wrapped up in capitalism, and only works because that's what we're dealing with. I make music because I have an insane compulsion to do so. I only need to claim it as private property, release it to the public, and attempt to make money off of it because of the idea that I need to "make a living." It beats Eastern-bloc socialism, sure, but it's not the ultimate. There have been societies in which art was common property. So far no political system on Earth has "worked," else we wouldn't still be mucking about with 'em. This kind of ties in with a subject I've been ruminating on for a while now, about how making music and releasing records are two totally different activites, often having very little to do with each other ... > And who could make this argument? How could music (or any other human > creation) just happen? It is usually my experience that music 'just happens' ... when I'm doing it right, anyway ... Anyhow, I'd like to boil this down to one question, the only question that's important to me as it applies to this subject. Does LX basically approve of us all having a gas trading non-commercial Orb soundz, or does he not? -=Seofon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 11:46:42 -0700 > property. So far no political system on Earth has "worked," else we > wouldn't still be mucking about with 'em. No political system on Earth has "worked" only because pure, unadulterated, laissez-faire capitalism has never been implemented. The closest mankind has come was 19th-century USA - but it must be stressed that while that was relatively free, it was far from pure capitalism. A look at the history of railroading in America is a great view of not only the level of government involvement in business dealings - favoritism, restraint of trade, land grants, and so on - in that century, but the practical results of those sorts of dealings. Exception - Jim Hill, history's real-life Nat Taggart. > It is usually my experience that music 'just happens' ... when I'm doing it > right, anyway ... Wait - "just happens?" WHEN _YOU_ ARE _DOING IT_?! Do you not see the contradiction and context-dropping involved in your remark? T $ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: micah Subject: Re: (orb) (OT) mouse on mars, NYC Date: 23 Jun 2001 19:08:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Reverend djbluE (Chromatest) wrote: > I guess it's july 3rd. forget the venue... micah, you going? > anybody else gonna be there? I'll be there. email me if anybody > wants to meet up. yeah, i'd like to go, if i can scrounge the cash... on a totally unrelated note, anybody know where the sample ("...now i'm not recommending a church...") in the zodiac youth "fast forward the future" mix comes from? laerm@sdf.lonestar.org | micah stupak | backup account | still anti-html if you sent me an email since 21 june 2001 and i didn't reply, i didn't get it - please send it to this address. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: micah Subject: (orb) more genuine orb content Date: 23 Jun 2001 19:15:53 +0000 (UTC) the german drum'n'bass artist panacea released an album last year under the name 2nd gen on the sub-label of force inc, position chrome. the album was called _disorder_, and the first track is called "loose control". well, it's an orb sample fest. the entire intro is a bunch of chunks from _live '93_, pretty much. wild. laerm@sdf.lonestar.org | micah stupak | backup account | still anti-html if you sent me an email since 21 june 2001 and i didn't reply, i didn't get it - please send it to this address. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason I Hicks Subject: (orb) promos (cydonia v2) Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) It IS illegal to sell promos (I should know I've worked in a record store for the last five years). Just because everyone does it doesn't mean that it is legit. Sort of analagous to the ubiquitous consumption of a certain proscribed herb. Think about it, promos are promotional, that is they are given away FREE, whoever sells that promo is putting the money in their own pocket and screwing over the label and the artist, and possibly preventing the sale of an official item. If you gave me a gift, would you rather I shared it with someone or turn around and sell it for profit? Its really a no brainer. ikki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 15:45:58 -0400 (EDT) * * > property. So far no political system on Earth has "worked," else we * > wouldn't still be mucking about with 'em. * * No political system on Earth has "worked" only because pure, * unadulterated, laissez-faire capitalism has never been implemented. The * I would postulate that pure Capitalism would fail just as pure Socialism does for the very same reasons. That is the failings of mankind. I think this debate is also missing the point that there is a difference between Socialist political systems, and Socialist economic systems. In the end the person with all of the money is no longer motivated to innovate since he has all of the money. He has all of the market and nobody can compete with him. Hence he sells everyone total crap..... witness Microsoft... and the person with the money has all of the power and runs the government. Of course it all comes down to the fact that society while nice is really the human race's attempt at enlightenment, which leads to the downfall of mankind. Pure Darwinism. Any attempt to destroy the natural cycle of selection, causes the system to become poisonned, and leads to the extinction of the species. jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 13:27:28 -0700 > I would postulate that pure Capitalism would fail just as pure Socialism > does for the very same reasons. That is the failings of mankind. Pure capitalism would work for the very same reasons that pure socialism does not. And, man - contrary to wildly popular belief - is NOT doomed to failure - is NOT flawed, immoral, weak - is NOT deceived by his senses - is NOT incapable of knowledge. "Anthem of the heart, and anthem of the mind A funeral dirge for eyes gone blind We marvel after those who sought New wonders in the world they wrought." N. Peart > I think this debate is also missing the point that there is a difference > between Socialist political systems, and Socialist economic systems. Um, what? > In the end the person with all of the money is no longer motivated to > innovate since he has all of the money. WRONG! The productive (whether he be innovative or the lowest menial worker) must keep producing to keep living. Productive work is a requirement of life, whether or not you technically need the money or not. If you don't work to produce anything, your mind will stagnate, and your body will follow - you will live out the rest of your days in living death. And, the concept of "all of the money" (as well as a previous post that I did not address regarding distribution, rather than creation, of wealth) is invalid - productive people will continue to create wealth. A great example - again - is the US during the 19th century. Someone mentioned how there was a generally low standard of living and so forth, and erroneously concluded that government controls are responsible for the improved standard of living this century. WRONG! The US started out with a lower standard of living simply because the wealth had not been created yet. Now, thanks to the drive, capability, action of the scant few that did create this wealth (and understand this is a consequence, not a pragmatic justification), general prosperity is enjoyed by all that care to expend even the most basic of efforts. > witness Microsoft... and the person with the money has all of the power > and runs the government. AHA! Not if the government's sole job is to protect the rights of the citizens! > Of course it all comes down to the fact that society while nice is really > the human race's attempt at enlightenment, which leads to the downfall of > mankind. Pure Darwinism. Any attempt to destroy the natural cycle of > selection, causes the system to become poisonned, and leads to the extinction > of the species. Um, guess what, pal - man is part of nature. He lives by his mind - society is the only way that man can properly function. This is NOT an argument for collectivism or socialism. It is a simple statement of the fact that to properly live (achieve happiness - proper happiness) a man must trade with fellow men for the results of THEIR thought and labor - to do everything himself would simply not be possible. The only thing that will lead to extinction of man as a species is if man fails to realize his nature - understand it - live by it. His nature is that of a being with volitional consciousness. The proper philosophy will save him - all others will doom him to destruction. I've already stated what my philosophy is specifically - Objectivism. I wouldn't want to live in the world of yours. By the way, on that note - are you enjoying using the fruits of mankind's "attempt at enlightenment" to communicate your contradictory ideas on the subject? T $ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson or Shannon Beets Subject: Re: (orb) promos Date: 23 Jun 2001 14:05:46 -0700 Jason I Hicks wrote: > > It IS illegal to sell promos (I should know I've worked in > a record store for the last five years). Just because everyone does it > doesn't mean that it is legit. Sort of analagous to the ubiquitous > consumption of a certain proscribed herb. Think about it, promos are > promotional, that is they are given away FREE, whoever sells that promo is > putting the money in their own pocket and screwing over the label and the > artist, and possibly preventing the sale of an official item. If you gave > me a gift, would you rather I shared it with someone or turn around and > sell it for profit? Its really a no brainer. Sorry, I can't let this go by, as it simply untrue, at least in the US (where we both are, for those who are keeping track). Selling promos is *not* illegal. In general, they are given away by the record company, and the recipient can dispose of them however they see fit. (That is how private property works.) The record label's sole recourse is simply to not give them to people who dispose of them in a way that the company doesn't like. (Or, in the few cases where the recipient actually has to sign a contract to receive the promo, they could be taken to court for violating that contract. Guess how often that happens.) If selling promos were illegal, almost every used record store in LA would be out of business, as most of their stock is promo material. Chain record stores that sell used CDs (like Wherehouse) don't sell promos because that would be the final straw for the distributors and major labels, who are already pissed that they are selling used CDs. Record companies try to discourage the selling of promos, but they can't actually prevent it. You can print whatever you want on the sticker or label of a promo CD; that doesn't make it true or legally enforceable. Record labels make an informed decision when they produce promos. They *know* a good fraction of them are going to end up on the market, but they believe they do more good for sales than harm. Artists are the ones who get screwed, since the cost of promos are usually recouped from their royalties. BTW, did you know that some record and promotion companies actually "pay" interns in promo CDs? They know that most of them are going to be sold. I've also seen instances where people were bribed or paid off with large numbers of promo CDs, and told to sell them for cash. Finally, I've also seen record company employees come into used CD stores, and *give* large numbers of promos to the store, with the explicit understanding that they will be put in the used bins and sold cheap, to help promote a release. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 18:01:39 -0400 (EDT) > man: > - is NOT flawed, immoral, weak I'd disagree with this one. People aren't perfect. Most people can be bought. Take some Joe off the street and convince him you'll give him $10 million to kill a random other person, and there will be no reporcussions, I bet people will go for it. If man isn't flawed, immoral, weak... then why do we have crime? > - is NOT deceived by his senses drugs, propoganda, prejudicial mental filters > - is NOT incapable of knowledge. Plenty of people would be perfectly happy to stay stupid and content, though. What you don't know can't make you depressed. > If you don't work to produce anything, your mind will stagnate, > and your body will follow - you will live out the rest of your days in > living death. And is this something to be avoided? Sounds like a bad thing to me, but sounds like a goal for your average hard-working American.... who wants to be a billionare and live a life of comfort and decadence? Lots of folks. Sounds like an American Dream. > WRONG! The US started out with a lower standard of living simply > because the wealth had not been created yet. Now, thanks to the drive, > capability, action of the scant few that did create this wealth (and > understand this is a consequence, not a pragmatic justification), > general prosperity is enjoyed by all that care to expend even the most > basic of efforts. I gotta agree with that one. I won't say the US is the perfect system, but it's less broken than most. > AHA! Not if the government's sole job is to protect the rights of the > citizens! But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something that Liberal types find offensive. And I'm sure there are "rights" the Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't. Goes both ways. Protecting the rights of the citizens is such a subjective thing. Try to get 2 people to agree completely on what the rights of a citizen are. ---- Jeff A Klein Bottle has zero volume, so we suggest that you do not use it as a personal flotation device. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 18:11:24 -0400 Jeff wrote: > > WRONG! The US started out with a lower standard of living simply > > because the wealth had not been created yet. Now, thanks to the drive, > > capability, action of the scant few that did create this wealth (and > > understand this is a consequence, not a pragmatic justification), > > general prosperity is enjoyed by all that care to expend even the most > > basic of efforts. > > I gotta agree with that one. I won't say the US is the perfect system, > but it's less broken than most. heheh.. I was just reading this stuff, and now this email/thread http://www.sharedcapitalism.org/scfacts.html enjoy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 17:19:14 -0500 > But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something > that Liberal types find offensive. And I'm sure there are "rights" the > Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't. Goes both ways. > Protecting the rights of the citizens is such a subjective thing. Try to > get 2 people to agree completely on what the rights of a citizen are. Ok, Jeff -- I think Tim and I, and maybe even Vince, agree that a person's rights are to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. Period. Conservatives and Liberals alike may appear to have a different agenda, but in the end it is the same: to control other people against their will. The conservatives do it by trying to control the mind, the liberals do it by trying to control the pocketbook. Either way, the result is the same. I know that if everyone were to afford themselves those four basic rights, pure capitalism would result -- and the rich would get richer and the poor would get richer. You would see a dramatic decrease in crime. In homeless. You would see utter change, change never before witnessed on earth -- because IT HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO BE. There are always governments taking away more rights than they are allowed. It's unfair to us all. And it hurts -- more than anyone else -- the POOR. -Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 23 Jun 2001 15:51:12 -0700 > I'd disagree with this one. People aren't perfect. Most people can be > bought. Take some Joe off the street and convince him you'll give him > $10 million to kill a random other person, and there will be no > reporcussions, I bet people will go for it. If man isn't flawed, immoral, > weak... then why do we have crime? A) The argument that "people aren't perfect" is flawed. Moral perfection is not unobtainable, provided your morality is based on reality rather than fantasy. B) Joe will not go for it - he would in fact be horrified - so long as he has any shred of decent morals. In fact, the force of morality on people's behavior is actually quite strong - I would argue that most people would in fact not do this deed, for any price. C) We have crime because some people are weak. Specifically, they refuse to face reality - and they try to short-circuit it. > > - is NOT deceived by his senses > drugs, propoganda, prejudicial mental filters Drugs - certain drugs do cause irrational mental activity - so, obviously, one must ask what is their value? And, if there is some value involved that makes the use of them, despite sensory deception, worthwhile, of course one doesn't take seriously any false sensory side effects. I.e. someone may take acid and have their walls appear to turn to rubber - but at no point does this actually occur. The person's sensory distortion is drug-, not reality-, induced, and therefore it would be ridiculous to suggest that sensory data while in an artificially altered state would necessarily be reliable. Propaganda - any man who knows how to think knows how to disarm propaganda. What tool gives him this capability - you guessed it, a proper, rational philosophy. PMF? What? > Plenty of people would be perfectly happy to stay stupid and content, > though. What you don't know can't make you depressed. Unless being dead depresses you, of course. > And is this something to be avoided? Sounds like a bad thing to me, but > sounds like a goal for your average hard-working American.... who wants > to be a billionare and live a life of comfort and decadence? Lots of > folks. Sounds like an American Dream. Again, being a billionaire and living in decadence do not necessarily correlate. > But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something > that Liberal types find offensive. And I'm sure there are "rights" the > Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't. Goes both ways. > Protecting the rights of the citizens is such a subjective thing. Try to > get 2 people to agree completely on what the rights of a citizen are. Well, see Brian's previous remarks on this - he hit it right on the head. I will point out, however, that rights are ABSOLUTELY OBJECTIVE. Nothing subjective about them AT ALL. They are inalienable, and I already explained why humans have them. If people disagree on what rights one has, what they are really arguing about is what special privelege they want (say, affirmative action), or what they want to take away from others (say, their guns). T $ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson or Shannon Beets Subject: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Date: 23 Jun 2001 16:49:27 -0700 Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the points of view expressed. :P ObOrb: Um...finally listened to the Lamaq Evening Session tracks...I must say that I dig both EDM and Red Worm. Chris (staying out of it (hopefully)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vagrant970@aol.com Subject: (orb) FTP site, 2001 bootlegs Date: 23 Jun 2001 21:12:19 EDT Hello, Could someone please point me to the FTP site, OAA? Also, I saw Orb a couple months back in Denver. Absolutely amazing! Any 2001 boots available, Denver in particular? Completely off subject, but would any one also know where to find Radiohead bootlegs. I saw them on the 20th at RedRocks and was blown away. Had a spiritual connection of sorts and would love to have this show. Thanks for the spare change. 5001, Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lance @ Inaudible" Subject: (orb) Orb-like dub recommendations? Date: 23 Jun 2001 23:18:20 -0400 Recently i've been getting into classic dub that the early orb releases were influenced by. I've purchased a few King Tubby, Zion Train, and Sly & Robbie cds but there are so many other names out there. I dont know what i should buy next. Lee Perry? Augustus Pablo? Andy Horace? Yabba You? The Scientist? During Alex's dj sets at the Detroit Orb show he played quite a few classic dub tracks which i really liked. anybody know what those were? any recommendations would be appreciated. -->-Lance---- PO Box 450715 Westlake, OH 44145 United States # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Roby Subject: (orb) Juno Reactor in DC Date: 24 Jun 2001 00:24:58 -0400 Hey all. Wondering if any list members local to the DC area are planning on catching Juno Reactor at the 9:30 Club this coming Tuesday (June 26). Wouldn't mind meeting some of you all. I think I'll be wearing either my 242 tee or the "autolump" tee (badorb.com tee with the cow). -- Justin Roby jroby@gwu.edu, mac.com roby.justin@verizon.net http://gwu.edu/~jroby "Anything the Wright Brothers can do, the Wrong Brothers can do. Right?" "Wrong!" -- The Three Stooges # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon" Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 24 Jun 2001 04:22:34 -0700 Hi Sean! > Right On Seofon! This capitalistic society, in which we exist, perpetuates > this big huge greed monster. The idea of intellectual property was not > generated by the artists, but by the Corporations and the layers who go to > make money off of artists "Intellectual Property" Because It is seen that > Records have to be sold, in order for more to be made just reeks of the > current recording industry swill that they had laid a foundation of pain and > thievery of many great artists. Well, exactly ... the very thought I had right after I sent that last post was that, while LX originally held the copyrights on his music, most of them have been transferred in large part to record labels and/or music publishers, all of whom I reckon could give a rat's ass about our trading and collecting desires. I don't care about their feelings as much as I care about LX's, but that is the "reality." Anyhow, the record execs built this city on rock & roll. I'll admit that the music industry may have been quite appropriate when rock was the genre and the artist base had the relatively small size that it did. But it's gotten less appropriate over time, as the bins get more and more crowded, and especially when you start getting down to the "independent" scene and fringe artists like the Orb and even more out-there stuff. I've found, being at the small scale that I am, that it actually behooves me to give a certain portion of my music and products away for free. I even know one musician who treats his CDs as a "promotional expense." > Ask the motown musicians, when copyright law was just being formed as far as > recordem music is concerned. IF the Artists had any say on it, it would be a > very different world today. Besides the fact, they way that american > copyright law protects music, is quite racist, since it only protects > melodies and lyrics, as opposed to grooves and rhythm, which is what soul, > R&B, Blues rely on so much. Interesting angle! ... I'd never considered that. Haven't bands, though, successfully sued hip-hop artists for sampling and looping their grooves? (Of course, Negativland has something to say about that, but let's take one bugaboo at a time ...) My angle is that the problem is not so much the industry in principle, but its privileged access to channels of distribution. For some artists the industry is quite appropriate. But something like the WWW levels the playing field for artists for whom it isn't, and I think that's pretty exciting. And I'm not going to turn up my nose at capitalism until there's a viable, better alternative. Heck, if I sell you a CD from my website for a measly $6, I'm still more than doubling my cost! > I always thought music has always existed. The music we make, we really > don't own, but we stumble upon it. Sound has always existed and occurs > naturally in this world. Melodies, rhythms, harmonies, they are all > naturally occurring instances, we just find then and make them "exist". Again, this is certainly the way it is ... for me. But lots of people make music for lots of different reasons. Some people do make music to make money, or use it as a platform to gain public visibility or make social commentary ... and this is a fine thing. But if you try to lump all of these artists and approaches into the same category then you'll run into problems. -=Seofon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 24 Jun 2001 12:55:41 -0400 (EDT) I really hate the fucking listserv that is running this list. I can understand that some people quote to damn much. But all of my mail bounces if I quote anything at all... great way to make a list less usefull. * Pure capitalism would work for the very same reasons that pure socialism * does not. And, man - contrary to wildly popular belief - is NOT doomed * to failure - is NOT flawed, immoral, weak - is NOT deceived by his * senses - is NOT incapable of knowledge. Some would agree with you, some would not. *> WRONG! The productive (whether he be innovative or the lowest menial *> worker) must keep producing to keep living. Productive work is a *> requirement of life, whether or not you technically need the money or All of this arguement is about conflicting philosophies. I was not expousing one philosophy or the other. I was mearly pointing out that any of these philosophies COULD work if everyone just got along and did the right thing. Which in the end makes which philosophy we chose unimportant. However neither of the HAVE worked because man (the collective) has not decided to just get along, everyone agreeing, and follow the same philosophy. And that is because human nature says that some people are going to try and get ahead and have advantage and power and money and control. If you have pure communism someone will cheat and not work, and someone else will try and be dictator. If you have pure capitilism, someone will try and cheat. Someone will subvert the government. The people in charge of the government's benevelance do not create anything tradeable themselves to gain capital, so they will trade what they do have, power. They will change things to create advantage for money. That is human nature. And it is also Darwin's Laws of Nature. Only the strong survive. If everyone just gets along, then it is in someone's best interest to do something else, to get ahead. Start an insurgency, overthrow the government, rally all of the peasants in the mountain province and run a fiefdom, all to get ahead. * > witness Microsoft... and the person with the money has all of the power * > and runs the government. * * AHA! Not if the government's sole job is to protect the rights of the * citizens! * Except that is the problem. The governments sole job is NEVER just to protect the rights of the citizens. Governments are about someone needing to have power over other people. Some people do it for the right reasons but other people don't. Just a fact, just human nature. Why aren't all cops cool? Why do they harrass people in the name of protecting them? Could it be some people are assholes, and they fulfill themselves by doing that? * Um, guess what, pal - man is part of nature. He lives by his mind - * society is the only way that man can properly function. This is NOT an I think there have been plenty of rural sustenance farmers over the years that have lived by the fruits of their own labor without any other help. Usually society calls the kooks or loonies, but it has been done. Not my place to argue whether is was a fulfilling life, but it is possible. Humans are however social animals. > > By the way, on that note - are you enjoying using the fruits of > mankind's "attempt at enlightenment" to communicate your contradictory > ideas on the subject? > Actually I don't consider the internet an "attempt at enlightenment" by mankind, though many people portray it as such. But now that you mention it yes I am. However I personally built what was at one point over half of the Internet, so I am enjoying the fruits of MY labor, and so are you. I will also note that like most other newsgroups or mailing-lists on the Internet, the orb list always seems to devolve into a name calling shouting match. Nothing and I mean nothing can be debated or discussed on this list without people talking shit to each other. All I wanted was to debate. I am done with this. Over the last few years many have said it, but it seems that I expected more civility (there is that word) on the orb list. jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 24 Jun 2001 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Damn I said I was done.... ooops I am flawed. * Specifically, they refuse to face reality - and they try to * short-circuit it. That is the point we are arguing. More then a few people are weak. In fact most people are weak in some way. Just because A man can be perfect, and EVERY man CAN be perfect, does not mean that ALL men ARE perfect. If we could all achieve an enlightened state (which I believe is a laudable goal) then all of this government and economics shit would not matter. But that has not happened, so it really does. To think otherwise is to disregard reality. * Well, see Brian's previous remarks on this - he hit it right on the * head. I will point out, however, that rights are ABSOLUTELY OBJECTIVE. * Nothing subjective about them AT ALL. They are inalienable, and I * already explained why humans have them. If people disagree on what * rights one has, what they are really arguing about is what special * privelege they want (say, affirmative action), or what they want to take * away from others (say, their guns). It is important to note that you are using human in this statement when you should be using American. (This is not a personal attack). However most cultures have different ideas of what inalienable rights are. The rights you are speaking of are most clearly American. If you look at Asian philosophy and culture, you will find completely different ideas on what rights are. In fact when you look at most European cultures you will find different things as well. Which is why socialism is more popular, because subverting the rights of the self to the collective whole for the good of the collective is an accepted idea. jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Bill Brook's Teatime Remixes Date: 24 Jun 2001 11:26:24 -0600 This cd is great, the 12501 teatime session from lx, along with some other stuff that bbbrooo@aol.com (brooks) mixed in. I've upped the cover art and the music to the OAA and moresounds sites. The chain reaction site appeared to be full. Get ahold of this if you can, It has the centuries remix on it as well for all those who were asking. jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Bill Brook's Teatime Remixes Date: 24 Jun 2001 11:26:24 -0600 This cd is great, the 12501 teatime session from lx, along with some other stuff that bbbrooo@aol.com (brooks) mixed in. I've upped the cover art and the music to the OAA and moresounds sites. The chain reaction site appeared to be full. Get ahold of this if you can, It has the centuries remix on it as well for all those who were asking. jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 24 Jun 2001 13:50:35 -0500 > Which is why socialism is more popular, > because subverting the rights of the self to the collective whole for > the good of the collective is an accepted idea. Um, by whom? -Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all Date: 24 Jun 2001 13:03:06 -0700 > was that, while LX originally held the copyrights on his music, most of them > have been transferred in large part to record labels and/or music Which is very unfortunate. The record industry is indeed seriously flawed - to get a deal with a major, you often do have to give up your right to your intellectual property - otherwise see ya. It's obvious from the demand, at least among hard core fans, that if LX owned the rights, he could be re-pressing stuff on Badorb right now and we would gladly buy it. Instead, all this material languishes. > successfully sued hip-hop artists for sampling and looping their grooves? Yes, grooves are protected under the "melody" portion. Of course, this could go much further if we knew who the heck first came up with the idea of a beat - their ancestors would be rich now! > its privileged access to channels of distribution. For some artists the > industry is quite appropriate. Right, either mainstream ones, or ones that claw their way up, or ones that are the manufactured flavor of the weak (sic). Most don't stand a chance. Even that the Orb got as big as they are shows amazing ability and amazing perseverance - and LX's working with a label and learning the business, I have to presume helped some, but that is pure speculation. Of course, this may be a bad example, as we've witnessed LX getting screwed over by his major in the delay of Cydonia.... Another example is my other favorite band, Rush - their career started out very slowly and took several albums to build - they would never have made it in today's record industry. > > I always thought music has always existed. The music we make, we really > > don't own, but we stumble upon it. Sound has always existed and occurs > > naturally in this world. Melodies, rhythms, harmonies, they are all > > naturally occurring instances, we just find then and make them "exist". Sigh. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) centuries Date: 25 Jun 2001 08:07:41 +0800 JG wrote: >My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who >likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." no, I too like that track, in fact centuries is one of my faves... it's too short IMHO! KL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) "Man as an heroic being...." Date: 25 Jun 2001 08:50:52 -0500 > I'd disagree with this one. People aren't perfect. Most people can be > bought. Take some Joe off the street and convince him you'll give him > $10 million to kill a random other person, and there will be no > reporcussions, I bet people will go for it. ===>There are few things that I wouldn't do for money. As I've stated before on this list, I have absolutely no problem with artists selling their music for obscene amounts of money. Hell, *I'd* do it. That said, however, there *are* things I wouldn't do. For example, I would never murder another human being for *any* amount of money. I'm sure there are people out there who would, but those are people to be avoided, IMHO. > But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something > that Liberal types find offensive. And I'm sure there are "rights" the > Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't. Goes both ways. ===>There is a *big* difference between a conservative and a libertarian agenda. Those of us who are libertarians find people on the far left and the far right equally frightening. The far right wants to limit what I consider to be my social rights; the far left wants to limit what I consider to be my economic rights...and my social rights. Vince $ (taking a cue from Tim C) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT) > Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be > foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast > majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the > points of view expressed. :P Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance that we should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex" Subject: (orb) uploading the radio1 1995 interview now :) Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:24:45 +0100 wotcha orbsters uploading the interview with Alex on radio1 session Mark Ratcliffe. 5mins mp3 recon itll take 22mins :) ok cya Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony Bryan" Subject: RE: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1 Date: 25 Jun 2001 13:58:48 -0400 > I have a tape I recorded in 95 around July. It is a Radio1 > session with Dr Alex P and Mark Radcliffe (sort of promo > session for Orbus Terrarum). just wondering if this recording thanks! do you have the music that was played after it? ant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Hehe yeh. Sorry to be a continuer of the thread. (Of course I have one more statement) :) My original point of posting was a response to someone describing their "right" to listen to someone's elses music without buying it, otherwise known as taking someone's product/property without paying for it, as socialist. My point being that it had nothing to do with socialism. The debate quickly devolved into political theory. MY simple point here was that either system COULD work if we could get past the inherent problems of man. (Which I personally think is a far more laudable goal). I would care less whether I was in a Capitalist or Socialist system, if everyone treated everyone well, and took care of each other, including the downtrodden. jon Further thoughts.... Even though America is always pointed at and called the Capitalist satan, it is important to note that all European countries are Capitalist as well. They have Socialist Governments but Capitalist economics. The wealth is not equally distributed, though taxes do work (most would say doesn't work) to redistribute it to "poorer" people. They still have money and you do have to purchase goods, and some people have more money to purchase with. Some people mention pure barter systems, but they are not inherently Socialist, but actually Capitalist. The person with the most/best goods to trade gets ahead. The vague notion of wealth, is just the accumulation, of tradeable stuff, that allows you to trade whenever you need or want to. That could be seen as having ten cows instead of one. There have been some very pure Socialist governments, or non-governments, as seen by most indigenous cultures in the past, such as Native Americans. Everyone worked together for the whole, and had a different role to play, but everyone shared in the wealth, ie food from hunters, shelter from the people making shelter, clothes from the people making clothes. I think it could almost be said that pure barter, and pure socialist, situations became very difficult when the amount and type of goods became so varied. It is hard to assume that we could grow or produce every thing that we need or want in todays advanced world. We would pretty much have to fall back to a non electric agrarian lifestyle. Me I love listening to music on CDs. # > Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be # > foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast # > majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the # > points of view expressed. :P # # Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance # that should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of # economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :) # :) :) # # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 12:16:43 -0700 > > Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be > > foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast > > majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the > > points of view expressed. :P No, but you know what? I used to be philsophically ignorant. I was implicitly right about a lot of things, but I had not the tools to integrate my knowledge, to eliminate contradictions therein, and to move forward intellectually - and to live life properly. All it took was someone pointing me in the right direction, saying there ARE answers - go to them. If ANY of the people reading this say, huh, this sounds like the light I have been seeking - they may do so silently and I do not mind - I am not looking for thanks or acknowledgement - though that received so far has been appreciated - then mission accomplished. For instance, there has been a lot of discussion about artists and artists' rights to their material. If this discussion helps protect those rights by causing some moral person to rethink their stance about copying commercially available, in-print material - mission also accomplished. > Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance > that we should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of > economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :) > :) :) And just what is bartering? Exchanging a product for a product of similar value. Note that barter is impossible if one side has nothing of value to offer. It is therefore (unlike under socialism or its variants) impossible to get something for free. Money is simply a representation of the value of a product (without getting into a discussion of the horror of currency not based on anything of value) and therefore the use of it is really just the barter that you advocate. There is nothing abstract about the idea of wealth. T fucking $ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Green Subject: Re: (orb) Orb-like dub recommendations? Date: 25 Jun 2001 12:42:56 -0700 > Recently i've been getting into classic dub > that the early orb releases were influenced > by. I've purchased a few King Tubby, Zion > Train, and Sly & Robbie cds but there are > so many other names out there. I dont know > what i should buy next. Lee Perry? Augustus > Pablo? Andy Horace? Yabba You? The Scientist? > During Alex's dj sets at the Detroit Orb show > he played quite a few classic dub tracks which > i really liked. anybody know what those were? > any recommendations would be appreciated. Try the Dub Trees album - it's called "Nature Never Betrayed The Heart That Loved Her" and is on Dragonfly Records (UK). It's Youth's project - traditional dub sounds and influence combined with modern beats and production. _jason_ -- Jason Green Apple Computer Inc. iTunes team / Applications Engineering dept. jgreen@apple.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex" Subject: Re: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1 Date: 25 Jun 2001 20:43:45 +0100 > thanks! do you have the music that was played after it? > hiya yep I have the music played before and after it. Ill have to get round to mp3'ing them soon. But I need to get rid of the hiss of the tape first. :( On the tape was live bass and drums version of towers of dub and oxbow lakes. I think montagne d'or was released as a CD according to the discog. Before the interview is "plateau" live, maybe its a live recording from the peel sessions? or somewhere else? ok cheers Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bbbrooo@aol.com Subject: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer Date: 25 Jun 2001 16:22:30 EDT Just wanted to add a point that might add something to everyones listening experience: Alex's Teatime sessions and Space Orbyssey remix. It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission. bb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:14:11 -0700 > It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission. That, and its mission statement contradicted its basic programming directive not to harm a human being. Computers have a far more difficult time functioning with contradictions than humans do - though of course the end result is equally predictable and catastrophic. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: (orb) actual on-topic post! Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:31:38 -0700 For those who are interested, GrooveTech has the 6/14 show available. Chris np: the ambient sounds of my crappy CD-ROM drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:34:13 -0700 Since a gentle nudge was apparently insufficient... Tim C wrote: > No, but you know what? I used to be philsophically ignorant. I was > implicitly right about a lot of things, but I had not the tools to > integrate my knowledge, to eliminate contradictions therein, and to move > forward intellectually - and to live life properly. All it took was > someone pointing me in the right direction, saying there ARE answers - > go to them. If ANY of the people reading this say, huh, this sounds > like the light I have been seeking - they may do so silently and I do > not mind - I am not looking for thanks or acknowledgement - though that > received so far has been appreciated - then mission accomplished. You know, there are Usenet groups and mailing lists specifically for that sort of thing. Note that this is the Orblist, just in case you were confused. :/ Is anyone else struck by how similar these rationalizations are to those of spammers and fanatics of various stripes? Just a coincidence, I'm sure. :P The ends do not necessarily justify the means, no matter how right you think you are. On a not-totally-unrelated topic; has anyone heard from Lazlo recently? AFAICT, he's been MIA for about nine months. If you (or anyone else) simply must get the last word in, feel free. I'm done with even reading these threads. Chris (getting real close to PLONKing a couple more people; I'm really dismayed about having to do that on this list) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:45:24 -0400 damn, why does everyone have to resort to personal attacks? fuck, i've had plenty of disagreements with people on this list - but at least i have never gotten personal with anyone... the last thing we need is all that negative BS - like OOBE started a while back... :: ::Is anyone else struck by how similar these rationalizations ::are to those ::of spammers and fanatics of various stripes? Just a coincidence, I'm ::sure. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Where *is* Lazlo??? Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:50:12 -0500 > On a not-totally-unrelated topic; has anyone heard from Lazlo recently? > AFAICT, he's been MIA for about nine months. ===>Heh, it would appear so. I've tried contacting him on at least three separate occasions, because I am subscribed to this list TWICE, and cannot get my one account removed. (The place where I work had a domain name change on January 1, and I had to resubscribe using my new email address, since I can no longer send from my old email address. However, I still *receive* mail at the old address. Since I cannot utilize the old address, I cannot unsubscribe from the old one (nor post from it, which is why I had to resubscribe in the first place!).) Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Wallace Subject: (orb) The last word.... Date: 25 Jun 2001 16:49:58 -0500 I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where are you OOBE, and why so quiet? >>>If you (or anyone else) simply must get the last word in, feel free. I'm >>>done with even reading these threads. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: (orb) Re: The last word.... Date: 25 Jun 2001 15:10:02 -0700 Martin Wallace wrote: > > I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where > are you OOBE, and why so quiet? I very nearly spit on my monitor at this one! Best one-liner in quite a while. :D Thanks for the smile! Chris (not-quite ROTF) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:33:26 -0400 Date: 25 Jun 2001 16:33:29 -0600 it's funny how people rationalize rude comments as being sarcastic... well damn, I guess that's ok then... Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Re: The last word.... Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:01:39 -0500 because i'm just too fucking cool for this gay ass conversation by all these wannabe intellectuals. yop. -=oobe > Martin Wallace wrote: > > > > I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where > > are you OOBE, and why so quiet? > > I very nearly spit on my monitor at this one! Best one-liner in quite a > while. :D > > Thanks for the smile! > > Chris > (not-quite ROTF) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Gagen Subject: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:51:29 -0500 I've been fairly quiet about this. That's mostly because it takes less effort to hit the delete key than it does to waist time responding to undying off topic threads. However, the frequency of off topic posts has increased so much over the last year. It seems that there is more off topic BS, than there is ORB content. I've found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just talk about the ORB. That's why were all here. I didn't join the list because I want to save the rain forest, hear pedantic monologues on philosophy and enlightenment, or debate socialist vs. capitalist systems. If we keep on topic, or at least stay within the realm of music I think everyone will be much happier. We all like the ORB, and we can all agree on that. Don # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:33:26 -0400 Date: 25 Jun 2001 19:02:49 -0400 lets get something straight here - this has nothing to do with Tim or his philosophy - i didn't even read what he had to say... and who are you to judge what "netiquette" or "common courtesy" is when you lower yourself to a level that is uncourteious to other individuals. if you compared me to others you consider "fanatics" - i wouldn't take that as a kind remark... oh, and just because i don't agree with you does not mean i don't know what common courtesy is - if i want to reply to something, i will - i don't need your permission. who are you to judge anyway? the only things you know about me are what i've told you... Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 19:07:37 -0400 and i would have to concur - but, since the Orb don't release albums every year and consistently tour often it would be a dead list. and besides, this list contains some of the most intelligent people that i have had conversations with, and it is good to have varying conversations from time to time - it's what keeps alot of people on this list... ::I've found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just ::talk about the ::ORB. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: RE: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:28:43 -0700 >the frequency of off topic posts has increased so much over the last year. >It seems that there is more off topic BS, than there is ORB content. There's the answer, Lazlo has probably just gotten used to hitting the delete key and is now deleting everything from the list. Can't say that I blame him. FVLL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer Date: 26 Jun 2001 09:27:46 +0800 >>It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had >>a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, >>he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter >>mission. > >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well >as some good samples like: > >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..' > >:) > >Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ > (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:55:48 -0700 > >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed > >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well > >as some good samples like: > > > >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..' Yeah, there's the great "Something is going to happen. Something wonderful." or something like that, which is sampled to great effect on the Reload Collection of Short Stories disc (recently discussed in this very forum). Granted, to see this film, you also have to put up with insipid stuff like John Lithgow's fear of heights and intestine-wrenchingly bad acting conveying it, as well as the sets that seemed to totally forget 2001's vision of the future not having blinky lights all over every available spacecraft control panel. To keep this Orb related (!), yes, my friends and I went generally bat shit when they played the 2001 samples at Maritime Hall. T PS - As I understand it, we can look forward to a theatrical re-release of 2001 later this year. I also think (again, this is slightly Orb related* as it played at some shows) Apocalypse Now is coming up for theatrical re-release too. * Not only am I smart, I am also a smart ass. I just wanted to make it clear that this Orb-related concession is only spelled out for the benefit of those who have been whining that other issues get discussed here - and I remind said people that the only reason those issues do get discussed here is they are completely relevant for understanding why or why not it is acceptable or not to copy certain musical material without paying for it - a thread I certainly didn't start. So there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: RE: (orb) promos Date: 25 Jun 2001 19:01:17 -0700 >If selling promos were illegal, almost every used record store in LA >would be out of business, as most of their stock is promo material. >Chain record stores that sell used CDs (like Wherehouse) don't sell >promos because that would be the final straw for the distributors and >major labels, who are already pissed that they are selling used CDs. > >Chris If that isn't the truth. Only the chain stores would be left open, and Tower is just about bankrupt so there wouldn't be much left. Without coping everything that Chris stated I'll just add a couple of more points. The "not for sale" stamped on promo's means not to be sold as a new record. They can order boxes of the purchase copies to satisfy everyone. Promo's usually don't come shrink wrapped like new stuff (in the US they shrink wrap just about everything) The promo's I see in all the stores are found in the "Used" bins, not the bins with new product. (Of course someone selling on the web will try and get as much as possible when they know there is a demand for it) Promo's many times have different covers, or no covers at all. Promo's are not only for Radio & news media, but also for DJ's. Many times they are not going to release that 12" that was released overseas because it just doesn't pay them to put it out in this country. The promo is a service to the DJ so that the material gets heard and somebody goes out and buys the album. They could give a **** that people will be pissed when they buy the album and can't find that mix they were dancing to the other night. They don't care. This must be the third time this topic has come up in two years. If you live in LA it's promo galore when you hit shops around town. NY too from what I've heard. Like Chris said you won't find them in the chain stores. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Bennett Subject: (orb) the Orb and science fiction Date: 26 Jun 2001 11:02:35 +0800 At 06:55 PM 06-25-2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed > > >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well > > >as some good samples like: > > > > > >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..' > >Yeah, there's the great "Something is going to happen. Something >wonderful." or something like that exactly that, i think. that's an easy one though. >Granted, to see this film, you also have to put up with >insipid stuff like John Lithgow's fear of heights and >intestine-wrenchingly bad acting conveying it, oh be nice, he does a sterling job of portraying a man who's crapping himself. :) (i know i'd crap myself if i had to do a spacewalk like that.) >as well as the sets that >seemed to totally forget 2001's vision of the future not having blinky >lights all over every available spacecraft control panel. but blinky lights rock! computers should be covered in the buggers. i've never liked internal modems for the simple reason that they're more or less bereft of blinky lights. besides which, what's quicker: asking HAL (or his counterpart) for information or checking a blinky light? besides which, they might have come into fashion again by then. :) what amuses me most about 2010 is that the Cold War is still going; what really blows me away is the ending - one of the coolest things in science-fiction cinema for a long time. but i don't want to spoil the surprise. >To keep this Orb related (!), yes, my friends and I went generally bat >shit when they played the 2001 samples at Maritime Hall. > >T > >PS - As I understand it, we can look forward to a theatrical re-release >of 2001 later this year. i can look backward to it. it's been and gone in Australia, as far as i know. >I also think (again, this is slightly Orb >related* as it played at some shows) Apocalypse Now is coming up for >theatrical re-release too. yes, with stacks of extra footage. obTopic: the Orb's Ultraworld album had a nice fluffy astro-sci-fi bent, it did. anyone tried doing sci-fi visuals and Orb audio - e.g how does AHEGPB work over the trip sequence at the end of 2001? (apparently Pink Floyd's song Echoes synchs beautifully..) Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chain Reaction" Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer Date: 26 Jun 2001 08:50:50 +0100 >>It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission. >That, and its mission statement contradicted its basic programming directive not to harm a human being. Computers have a far more difficult time functioning with contradictions than humans do - though of course the end result is equally predictable and catastrophic. Finally the ship was under command of a computer with a psychosis...apparently not a very good combination. Steph...(who urges everyone to read the book!) -- "Life films us exactly" - Vladislav Delay _______________________________________________ FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup FREE PC-to-Phone calls with Net2Phone http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?121 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Moxness Subject: (orb) new music Date: 26 Jun 2001 08:02:47 -0500 are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly one that specializes in electronic music? thanks, john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) new music Date: 26 Jun 2001 09:49:12 -0400 : are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly : one that specializes in electronic music? not specifically electronic.. but if you shop around enough on www.amazon.com the recommendations they give are pretty inline w/ my tastes now. they use a profiling/personalization engine to do the recommendations and have a enough 'cool' & 'related' artists strung together to keep you busy. besides it's easy to find stuff on their site. for example... look at a Kruder & Dorfmiester CD... and they'll recommend Tosca or Peace Orchestra. Then they'll recommend other Downtempo artists based on you looking at the K&D discs. A good way to start is get registered and log in. Then just search for the discs you *do* own. Rate them using their little 5 star system (in the left nav bar) and go around and vote on your favorite albums... Rate about 20 of your CDs (don't need to write a review, just vote) and it should start kicking some good recommendations. Then next time you login ... the home page will change to fit your choices and it'll start throwing out new releases related to electronic music. I've been using Amazon.com for a while, and it even recommended Cydonia when it finally came out, based on my other purchases, votes, and browse-ing-s Of course this depends on how paranoid you are and if you are willing to let yourself get profiled on the web site. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: (orb) Brezeblock Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:38:30 EDT Hi everyone - I just obtained a copy of the Breezeblock Radio 1 set, and I was wonderin= g if someone has a listing of the songs that includes running times. The list= ing that came with my copy is a little awkward, since the CD actually starts = with Hamlet of Kings, but this is not included on the list. (If I knew all th= e songs this wouldn't be a problem, but...) So if anyone has this and feel= s like forwarding it on to me, it would be greatly appreciated and much mor= e accurate than me trying to do it all myself. :) Thanks in advance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Brezeblock Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:56:32 -0400 I don't have an exact listing but thru out the course of the set he played: S.A.L.T. w/ the 2001 samples as a lead in. The Elvis "ReMix" ? (A Little Less Conversation) BOB I a S.E. Berlin version of "Barbie Girl" Hamlet of Kings (and if i remember correctly, a remix of Once More and a mix of Centuries) and other tracks that seem to be popping up in all his recent sets : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: merrick patton schaefer Subject: (orb) acideatingvisionaries Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:15:39 -0500 (CDT) well all this has taught me that orb fans have very diverse views on everything and dispelled my notion that we are all a bunch of acid eating visionaries trying to attain telapathic unity of mind and soul through music. i think that is what youth is going for. I think the "celtic cross" albulm by him and simon is the least subtle manifesto I have seen yet. anyway if you are into the orb check out youths stuff on dragonfly/lsd. dubtrees, celtic cross, and alex's voyage into paridise are all good. -merrick- __________________________________________________________________ Good web architects make sites that are useful, usable, informative, entertaining, accessible, and aesthetically pleasing. Bad web architects make crap. -- Zeldman phone address (312)492-7461 800 S. Claremont, Apt. 1 cell Chicago, IL 60612 (312)543-2630 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= Subject: Re: (orb) Brezeblock Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:25:34 +0100 (BST) Susan wrote: > I just obtained a copy of the Breezeblock Radio 1 > set, and I was wondering if someone has a listing of > the songs that includes running times. The listing > that came with my copy is a little awkward, since > the CD actually starts with Hamlet of Kings, but > this is not included on the list. hamlet of kings was actually played by the dj (mary-anne hobbs) BEFORE the mix set, so isn't actually part of the set as such and why it's not on the list. so, take it from there and you should be OK. cheers, --- Smiley ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sleepyBrett Subject: (orb) badorb Date: 26 Jun 2001 09:42:27 -0700 well i went back to check and lo and behold they took down the "get ready to pay" page and went back to the same old stuff *sigh* i hope that they are delaying the pressing of bob1-3 while they get their ecommerce woes sorted out. perhaps they could just switch to paypal ;) _ b # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: RE: (orb) badorb Date: 26 Jun 2001 17:42:11 +0100 they've already pressed them. Don't believe this "limited quantity" crap. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "TheEye" Subject: RE: (orb) badorb Date: 26 Jun 2001 13:08:38 -0400 I figure once badorb.com actually starts selling things, it's going to be to pricey for me anyway... I don't mind paying for music I enjoy, but I'm half expecting this to cost 2 or 3 times more then you average album release... and no CD's??? Sorry, I don't DJ and I have no use for a turntable... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [RE: (orb) badorb] Date: 26 Jun 2001 13:39:51 EDT Well, someone was selling all 3 bob's on eil.com (they're out of stock no= w) for $23.98 each, so I wouldn't think that badorb.com would sell them for = more than $10- $15. And I don't DJ either, but there's so much good stuff out= there on vinyl, plus the whole collecting aspect, I couldn't live without= a turntable! "TheEye" wrote: I figure once badorb.com actually starts selling things, it's going to be= to pricey for me anyway... I don't mind paying for music I enjoy, but I'm half expecting this to cos= t 2 or 3 times more then you average album release... and no CD's??? Sorry, I don't DJ and I have no use for a turntable... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) badorb Date: 26 Jun 2001 13:43:04 -0400 : Sorry, I don't DJ and I have no use for a turntable... Unless of course you want to hear BadOrb Releases off their intended media distribution: i.e. Vinyl. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chain Reaction" Subject: Re: (orb) new music Date: 26 Jun 2001 21:48:06 +0100 >are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly one that specializes in electronic music? I get my kicks from the following site (and they're specialized in electronic stuff too!)..: http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/ Enjoy! Steph... -- "Life films us exactly" - Vladislav Delay _______________________________________________ FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup FREE PC-to-Phone calls with Net2Phone http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?121 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Kelly" Subject: (orb) new releases Date: 26 Jun 2001 18:47:49 -0400 .............are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly one that specializes in electronic music? :::::this one has been going for a couple of years now. most, if not all, are electronic music releases. http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/ :::::::::this one's kinda skimpy but you can request his weekly mailinglist, which is better. price & service is good http://www.skimo.com ::::::this is helpful too. http://www.allmusic.com/ dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Subject: (orb) Patterns & Textures Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:04:51 -0700 Just received my "Patterns & Textures" with CD in the mail from Australia (nice stamps). It is the real thing. I knew that I was getting a PAL version of the video, but figured I had better grab while the grabbing was good. If there is anyone out there with a real (not a bootleg) NTSC version that wants to trade for a real (not a bootleg) PAL version please contact me off list. This is my second Orb item in a row that's come through Australia. Edward PS Please no offers of bootleg copies. I already have one. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon / ATOI" Subject: Re: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:19:18 -0700 >It seems that there is more off topic BS, than there is ORB content. I've >found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just talk about >the ORB. That's why were all here. I didn't join the list because I want >to save the rain forest, hear pedantic monologues on philosophy and >enlightenment, or debate socialist vs. capitalist systems. Fair enough, indeed. But most these tangents came about because of an Orb-related discussion, so I submit that it shouldn't be too difficult (and should be a good policy) to frequently bring the subject back to some kind of Orb relevance. For example, the thread on art ownership may have been OT philsophical ranting, but such philosophical debates among music industry execs have very real repercussions when they decide whether Napster or even the OAA comes under fire. And it also concerns LX's ability to reissue his own material, which is something near and dear to our hearts ... I'm all for intellectual banter, and overall this is the most pleasant group I've come across ... but, indeed, this is a forum and not a soapbox. -=Seofon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NYCnoises@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) new releases Date: 26 Jun 2001 21:36:25 EDT In a message dated 6/26/01 6:52:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dp.kelly@home.com writes: << are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly >> In a message dated 6/26/01 6:52:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dp.kelly@home.com writes: << are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly >> this is my favorite for general releases: www.icemagazine.com for current dance/trance/techno/house releases with loads of mp3 samples try http://www.juno.co.uk/ and http://www.dance-music-reviews.com ( no mp3 ) -- - - -- - - -Chris in NYC - - --- ------ - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Hannah Subject: (orb) Greg Hunter inf: new album spcl ded. Date: 27 Jun 2001 11:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Agahst! ::Trade me ::Orb Related:: > For those into music a bit of info regarding Greg > Hunter ( ex engineer for > The Orb..) > > New Album > Title: Sout el Leil > Artist: Fifth Sun ( Greg and Amir Abo Elmagio ) > Label: MELT 2000 > Website: www.melt2000.com Could an everso intelectual kind soul member of the Orb list please direct me into getting a copy of this recording aboveforementioned???? I thank the list for an awesome dive into my own cerbellum reading all the crossed posts and latest debates.... The posts doo doo belong even if slightly off topic fer a while. PS: "Keep it real put more water in the radiator and dedicate one to the Canadian mamas babies and baby mothers.... They're Here!!!" Joe in Fl my ex- is starting a family w/ a Priest!! Now Playing: Pepper (these guys are an awesome band from Hawaii's Big Island) - "Find Your Way" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Hannah Subject: (orb) Greg Hunter inf: new album spec ded Date: 27 Jun 2001 11:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > Glad to see animated debate regarding things of > little intrest... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Casey Subject: (orb) Auntie Aubrey's Xcursions Date: 27 Jun 2001 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT) hiya from beefybear... Anyone else see the beeyoootiful ad for Beyond the Call of Duty Part 2 in the July/August issue of URB? Looks like Part 1 is coming back too. A lil notice at the bottom says both are out now, listen and buy at http://www.ultrarecords.com, but looks like the site's not up and running yet... NP: Musique vs U2/New Years Dub __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T1 Subject: (orb) orb@DOUR festival Belgium Date: 28 Jun 2001 08:38:51 +0200 I was wondering if there are people who are going to this gig on July 5th as the orb will be playing live at 01.00 am i think. http://www.dourfestival.be for more details its only like 50DM per Day or 100DM for 4 days. please email me if you like to meet up before *especially* those nl guys with the good stuff ;) hope to hear from you guys Best regards, Alex mailto:wohnzimmer1@gmx.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Seofon" Subject: (orb) System 7 "Altitude" 2x12 on Ebay Date: 28 Jun 2001 00:29:04 -0700 Hey! It really exists. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1442329343 I don't even have a turntable, so I feel kind of undeserving, but I hope someone on the list gets it. If you get there fast you can buy it outright for a nice, steep price. -=Seofon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Heery" Subject: (orb) re:greg hunter: new album Date: 28 Jun 2001 10:45:41 +0100 ello all electronic melt were very kind in that they sent me a preview copy of this CD about a month ago. basically the album is egyptian pop! But don't let that put you off, fantastic production ( as ever from Greg ), great up vibe to the whole thing, even though I don't speak or sing egyptian its a groovy record and worth getting hold of if your a fan of Gregs. Track 2 on the Cd has a very similar bassline to Outlands...so if your looking for a good mix opportunity I'd love to hear some one mix em together. Now ..where can I get a copy of bycles and tricycles? laters focus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" Subject: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 08:08:20 -0400 tonight (thursday night) there is a show inside the brooklyn bridge, in the brooklyn anchorage http://www.creativetime.org/anch2001/anch.htm Mille Plateaux panacea (crazy jungle) Kid 606 and many others http://www.creativetime.org/anch2001/music.htm#mp it looks like a really cool space and all, but I can't go (work.. grumble grumble)... just giving people a heads up. -ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: [(orb) System 7 "Altitude" 2x12 on Ebay] Date: 28 Jun 2001 09:02:03 EDT Looks like JC has already claimed it! "Seofon" wrote: Hey! It really exists. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1442329343 I don't even have a turntable, so I feel kind of undeserving, but I hope someone on the list gets it. = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT) > tonight (thursday night) there is a show inside the brooklyn bridge, > in the brooklyn anchorage > http://www.creativetime.org/anch2001/anch.htm I wanted to second this. Everyone on this list should check out this venue at least once, and this one's lineup is amazing. If you've never seen Panacea live you're missing out. I went to the anchorage for the first time about a week ago for the Hexstatic show (hexstatic worked with coldcut to develop their VJamm software, which anyone who got the 2cd version of let us play is familiar with :P). You should go soon because its normally an art space, and the stuff that's in there now is fucking out of control. A giant grid of blue and red LEDs that's maybe a hundred feet by a hundred feet. That space is like a cave, and its huge. Definately worth the haul to the 1st stop in brooklyn. Personally I live right near there, so I'm gonna ride my bike over. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt.Skinner@skanska.co.uk Subject: Re: [(orb) System 7 "Altitude" 2x12 on Ebay] Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:08:31 +0100 >>Looks like JC has already claimed it! It ain't over till the fat lady sings....... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anders Dam" Subject: (orb) We Are Living In An Orbfull Time Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:38:49 -0000 Now hearing a piece of orb. Oh, yes. We are in orbfull times. The track is Der Gvte Berg. Friends, Foes and equal lurkers. Thank God for the fucking orb. Orbfull times you say and the preacher goes on and on about a very recent full-length album stuffed with goodies into which all true orbos will for a long time disappear and reappear over And over again now that we have yet another piece of plastic wrapped in muzick. Go now children to the meek and the humble And blessed be the one who incidentically turns another soul onto our not so secret treasure for the times are blatantly orbfull times. On a more earthy note I’d like to direct your attention to my new and first website which is sorry to say only in danish. Just had to share…something anders dam muzz ///aka/// muzelic7 muzelic7@hotmail.com http://stovringkunstfond.net a stereo without doors is different from a computer without windows _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wilcox, Rebecca L - EWW EXO" Subject: RE: (orb) We Are Living In An Orbfull Time Date: 28 Jun 2001 18:00:37 -0000 (delurk) Amen brudda! Thank God for music!!!!!!!! Rebecca (will have to practice some Danish) ________________________________________________ Now hearing a piece of orb. Oh, yes. We are in orbfull times. The track is Der Gvte Berg. Friends, Foes and equal lurkers. Thank God for the fucking orb. Orbfull times you say and the preacher goes on and on about a very recent full-length album stuffed with goodies into which all true orbos will for a long time disappear and reappear over And over again now that we have yet another piece of plastic wrapped in muzick. Go now children to the meek and the humble And blessed be the one who incidentically turns another soul onto our not so secret treasure for the times are blatantly orbfull times. On a more earthy note I'd like to direct your attention to my new and first website which is sorry to say only in danish. Just had to share...something anders dam muzz ///aka/// muzelic7 muzelic7@hotmail.com http://stovringkunstfond.net a stereo without doors is different from a computer without windows _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! Date: 28 Jun 2001 00:40:16 -0600 And have a subscription to dnld just mp3's... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Levering, Steve" Subject: RE: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! Date: 28 Jun 2001 13:58:46 -0500 It won't let you use Netscape though... Great web design triumphs again... > ---------- > From: bi11i > Subject: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! > > > And have a subscription to dnld just mp3's... > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) only IE for badorb!?! Date: 28 Jun 2001 15:08:48 -0400 (EDT) O man, who made THAT decision? :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:20:36 -0700 "Levering, Steve" wrote: > > It won't let you use Netscape though... Great web design triumphs again... The site *implies* that you can't use Netscape (and I was about to fire off an extremely bitchy email to Garphoo), but you can; just click on the astronaut/ibis. Of course, the site *still* runs like crap on my 32 meg P133 at work, but hey, everyone has the latest processor and lots of bandwidth, right? :/ The thing that really blows though is that overseas subscriptions are actually *more* expensive than ordering each month's releases separately. :( The fact that BadOrb is selling mp3 subscriptions should engender some more "interesting" debates, especially since the mp3s are going to be available a month before the vinyl...but it would be nice if we knew the bitrate, etc. before subscribing. If they are doing mp3s, it makes getting this stuff on CD easier, but I still wish they'd just do CDs as well. Chris (happy sad) np: 6/14/01 Teatime (now this is old school stuff) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 10:59:50 -0800 (AKDT) > Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC ^^^^^^^^^ This confused the heck out of me for a few moments. For a minute I was under the impression that something really neat was going to happen up here. Ah well, I guess I'll just keep hoping that the rest of our town will grow out of DnB/Gabber someday. :P 'james -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:04:19 -0400 (EDT) > Ah well, I guess I'll just keep hoping that the rest of our town will grow > out of DnB/Gabber someday. :P How can you group drum and bass with gabber!? :) Besides isn't panacea more a regular sort of jungle guy? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boob McNutt Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) > Of course, the site *still* runs like crap on my 32 meg P133 at work, > but hey, everyone has the latest processor and lots of bandwidth, > right? :/ 256 megs and a Mac G4, and the site still runs like molasses. I'm really curious to know what type of computers they bothered to test the damn site on.. -- Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com http://world.std.com/~fuzzbox "If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made of meat?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:55:21 -0800 (AKDT) On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Benjamin L. May wrote: > > Ah well, I guess I'll just keep hoping that the rest of our town will grow > > out of DnB/Gabber someday. :P > > How can you group drum and bass with gabber!? :) Cause I find DnB to be just as annoying as Gabber. DnB irritates me because it's so obnoxiously repetetetive and has very little content other than the beat. It's just too minimal for me to enjoy. If I wanted that I'd hack a loop up on my computer and just let it play all day long, but I don't consider much of the DnB music to be anything terribly musical. And besides, it's too easy to mix DnB. I'd be much more impressed if you could mix Alice Coltrane, for instance. But when the bloody record goes right out and says "I'm done at 140bpm straight through and you don't have to worry about crossing melodies or syncopations." then it just takes all the fun out, IMNSHO. Gabber just drives me nuts. I can't understand anything at 250bpm. I don't enjoy the sound of jackhammers in my skull either -- I take drugs to make that *go away*, so why should I want to experience it voluntarily? Bleah. :P only somewhat facetiously, flames > /dev/null 'james -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:02:55 -0400 : How can you group drum and bass with gabber!? :) If you'll review your Heirarchy of Electronic Music Genre Splitting Manual, you'll remember that Both Gabber and Drum n Bass grew from the same branch --> The Rotterdam Hardcore Scene. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:04:27 -0400 : It won't let you use Netscape though... Great web design triumphs again... As if the geniuses at netscape (or mozilla for that matter) have done anything but release crappy, bug-infested software since version three was updated. And while, as a web designer, I test everything in both browsers, It is still my philosophy to get it to work in Netscape (as opposed to fine tuning a design that looks EXACTLY the same in both browsers) -- because, as I have been known to put it, "Netscape users are used to seeing the web look like sh*t" However, this only goes for windows users, since the Mac has some pretty good alternatives beside NN and IE. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:15:11 -0400 hey, for the most part i agree - but - Goldie is the exception to the rule... also, let me add Grooverider... both are very dark, unrepetitive, complex, and f'ing hard!! check out Goldie -Timeless. this is not a staight d/b album, their is alot of jazz and some piano- but an excellent album. check it out... ::Cause I find DnB to be just as annoying as Gabber. DnB irritates me ::because it's so obnoxiously repetetetive and has very little ::content other ::than the beat. It's just too minimal for me to enjoy. If I ::wanted that ::I'd hack a loop up on my computer and just let it play all ::day long, but I ::don't consider much of the DnB music to be anything terribly musical. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:41:22 -0400 (EDT) > branch --> The Rotterdam Hardcore Scene. Yeah but that doesn't mean that they're really that similar anymore. I mean gabber and what is now D&B are pretty different... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:50:20 -0400 RON D CORE isn't that bad either now that i think of it - it is all in your approach to music - cause his shit is very fast but his beats aren't repetitive. i'm not really into the really really fast stuff cause when you reach a certain bpm the sound really mushes together so much you can't tell what is going on... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400 Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:07:22 -0600 sorry, one more thing - the Orb have done, what i consider, some fucking badass d/b... and although i don't think their are many Eat Static fans on this list - Science of the Gods is also more than worthy - and i am picky when it comes to music... Justin Meredith Meter Associate 5678 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! Date: 28 Jun 2001 21:13:10 -0500 I'm a web designer too -- and I always code to Netscape standards. Netscape doesn't allow for shitty code, and will return errors if the code doesn't meet some standards... Too bad Netscape is utter shite. :) Cheers, -=brian=- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Had to send this from another list... Date: 28 Jun 2001 22:54:31 -0600 Sorry for the OT, but I found this amusing.. and even matched up a few of the archetypes with folks on the list... http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html -lis (cross between Picador and Kung-Fu Warrior) ____________...oooOOO---coil@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe" to coil-request@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe your@email.com send "unsubscribe your@email.com" To unsubscribe from the digest send to coil-digest-request@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven/elists/coil.phtml http://www.brainwashed.com/coil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Roby Subject: Re: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400 Date: 29 Jun 2001 08:47:19 -0400 Oh yes. Eat Static does some *very* nice DnB, closer in line to Photek with more melody rather than Aphrodite style. I'm rather disappointed with "Crash and Burn" though. If you know your pedigrees, you know that the two founding members of Eat Static, Merv Pepler and Joie Hinton were both members of Ozric Tentacles, legendary jam band of yore (and the now-defunct free festivals in the English countryside). Listen to "Erpland" and you'll hear Merv accomplishing DnB style drum patterns, not only with a live drum kit (rather than with programming), but also in 1991, about two years before anything resembling DnB began to take hold. BTW, I know the Ozrics still exist. Every other album is classic, though (Listened to Waterfall Cities nonstop for a while, but the most recent one is kinda, eh.) Take it easy, folks, Justin Roby > From: "Meredith, Justin" > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:07:22 -0600 > To: "'ORB@LISTS.XMISSION.COM'" > Subject: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400 > > > sorry, one more thing - the Orb have done, what i consider, some fucking > badass d/b... > > and although i don't think their are many Eat Static fans on this list - > Science of the Gods is also more than worthy - and i am picky when it comes > to music... > > Justin Meredith > Meter Associate > 5678 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders! Date: 29 Jun 2001 09:44:35 -0400 (EDT) > curious to know what type of computers they bothered to test the damn > site on.. Testing...hey, that WOULD be a good idea :) I wonder what the bitrate of the MP3s in the subscription service will be...maybe I'll ask Garphoo... And doesn't the text on the information page sound like similar to something out of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? Perhaps it's just me.... james ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400 Date: 29 Jun 2001 11:51:32 -0400 yea i didn't care for Crash and Burn either - but - they do have a new album called IN THE NUDE and it supposedly is alot like Science of the Gods so as soon as i get another credit card i will hit up their web site... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= Subject: Re: (orb) only IE for badorb!?! Date: 29 Jun 2001 21:42:41 +0200 (CEST) O man, who made THAT decision? :) > > > Oh yes Shit,can`t anyone get a 6-pack of the BOB > releases for us? > __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James A. Crippen" Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 29 Jun 2001 23:53:21 -0800 (AKDT) On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Reverend djbluE (Chromatest) wrote: > and what's wrong with d'n'b? (prefer jungle myself.) Most of what I've heard is too repetitive and shows little imagination. But then again I haven't actively sought out DnB and all I have to go on is the crap that the local low-life DJs peddle, which is never impressive. I don't get out of Alaska to see any of the music scene very much (I get out for other reasons, but I never have any time to go to shows or concerts). > at least it isn't garage... fuck that 2step shit. :) Hey, why not a waltz? I'd love to see all the raver kiddies try to figure out how to dance to a techno version of a Viennese waltz in 3/4 time. Hehehe.... >:D 'james -- James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Roby Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC Date: 30 Jun 2001 11:20:53 -0400 Speaking of Waltzes, if you listen very closely to Orbital's "The Middle of Nowhere," "Way Out-->" and "Spare Parts Express" get very waltzlike... Justin > From: "James A. Crippen" > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:53:21 -0800 (AKDT) > To: > Cc: The Orb Mailing List > Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC > > Hey, why not a waltz? I'd love to see all the raver kiddies try to > figure out how to dance to a techno version of a Viennese waltz in 3/4 > time. Hehehe.... >:D > > 'james > > -- > James A. Crippen ,-./-. Anchorage, Alaska, > Lambda Unlimited: Recursion 'R' Us | |/ | USA, 61.2069 N, 149.766 W, > Y = \f.(\x.f(xx)) (\x.f(xx)) | |\ | Earth, Sol System, > Y(F) = F(Y(F)) \_,-_/ Milky Way. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Hannah Subject: (orb) Oral Or-ambling-b orb........... Date: 30 Jun 2001 11:25:27 -0700 (PDT) ....Just got through watching the splendid views of priemere football via my digital cabel tele; Alex's favorite team Chelsea is equal to the best team on our planet. Big ups to Chelsea!!! So how is everyones summer going? What thread do I want to start.... Oh yeah, reasons to take a summer vacation (or winter, Kael!?!) ..........I really enjoyed cooling off w/ responses from James in Alaska lately as the heat index is appraoching 105 ! (feels like 69 degrees Kelvin if you ask me;)here in my home swamp state. I tell you now the fluffy clouds are compliments to my perifeirl(sp?) vision as well as any human soul. The fact that Alex and co. wrote a song about the water vapor recieving royal colours is too EXTREMELY coinsidental to me as a Floridian. The stars aligned nicely for my birthday last week... Nasa is going off this weekend too. Any one see Mars up close lately??? Killer 1/2 moonset last night as well. Know wonder Island / Def Jam did nothing to promote Cydonia... Did you ever think that somewhere else in the world ther may be someone else that is alike to you??? With this list I assume we can coordinate that its possible ? What is the original format of the Badorb promo??? Wasn't it a 7" or 10 " record?? 'cept I need a better version than the one Ant helped me get. Also don't you all think Alex and Co. could re-release U.F.ORB lp as a remixed double release??? We already have the Frank De Wulf, Millwall, and Pool mixes working for the Re-release. It is not impossible for Alex to make a house version of Sticky End. How was the Solipse Festival?? Was there a recording of any sort?? Anyone on the list at Rockslide now ??? I should be listening to Little Fluffy Clouds except I am looking at them for real instead and... Now Playing: The Police = "Secret Journey" Joe from Flove XX OO -n- bear hugs ever after ===== Joe from FL "Be Self - Actualised" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Badorb mp3's Date: 30 Jun 2001 21:22:15 -0600 Anyone know what the bitrate is on these yet? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender.