From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #125 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 125 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 16:46:29 -0500 From: nhetrick Subject: (orb) unsubbing from the list For whomever may want to know, I'm unsubscr!bing from this list, though I'll try to continue to receive the Orb Bulletins mailings. I can still be contacted by private email at nhetrick@idsonline.com. BTW, thanks to all on here for the info & reviews & that -- I've learned a lot. C-ya. Neil Hetrick nhetrick@idsonline.com onnow: S.L.O.T. - The Seven Seasons (IDM on the Hypnotism label out of Nurnberg) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:41:26 -0700 From: "Benjamin J. Peterson" Subject: (orb) OAA new arrival Hello all, I just finished Uploading to the archive, the Orb mix of, Primal Scream Higher than the sun. The Higher than the Orb mix from the CD maxi single, 4:59. This is different than the one on the Auntie Aubrey excursions beyond the call of duty. I urge you all to listen. I will also be uploading the Star 6&789(Got to be Jerkin' edit) from the Big Hard Disk Vol 2. Peace and enjoy. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:34:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Bryan Subject: Re: (orb) fehlmann & sun electric > hi ! > wasn't someone asking what thomas looks like ? i found a picture at > > http://www.fritz.de/team/grafik/fehlmann.jpg > > and the proof that it is really THIS thomas fehlmann is one the same > site. yes, thats him. I have a few pictures of him & cohorts sun electric in a few spots http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/7328/sune.html his new album & the new se lp & single are the only music I've really been looking forward to hearing for months & months. ant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:39:40 PDT From: "Dekoy A/K/A Decoy" Subject: (orb) mORBid KLF mistake sorry to those who got thrown off by the closed notice on the cd page. this now corrected! p.s.28hours to auction close. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 20:37:11 -0500 From: nhetrick Subject: Re: (orb) Keiichi Suzuki > Does anyone know the artist who's responsible for the OTHER two >remixes on the Keiichi Suzuki Satellite Seranade single? None of the names >mean anything to me... Thanks! These mixes were done by Simon Posford and someone named Oba. Simon Posford is a UK Trance artist who releases stuff under the name Hallucinogen. Oba might be a typo for Obi, a Japanese "world music" artist (afaik) who worked with Greg Hunter in the Subsurfing project. Hope this helps.... Neil Hetrick nhetrick@idsonline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:06:53 -0500 From: "neil" Subject: (orb) Rick Wright Trade Greetings, I'm looking for Hoenig's 'Xcept One' CD which is out of print. If someone has or can find this CD I will trade a Rick Wright 'Runaway' promo CD5 with Orb and Orbit mixes for it. The bass on this CD5 is outstanding perhaps it caused the problem below. The UF off OOBE (pool mix) isolated a defect in one of my speakers, no other track has ever caused the symptom (woofer buzz), fortunately it's under warranty. I brought the CD with when I returned the speaker and the salesman at the store found it funny that I was able to hear the problem, he thought it was part of the track! They've ordered a new woofer....until then i will be listening to mono, better look for the Auntie CD's:) Neil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:33:48 -0500 From: torq@mo.net Subject: (orb) Mime-Version: 1.0 i feel such an idiot.. that one day a year or so ago, i was at borders and saw a copy of peel sessions 2.. didnt realize how rare it was, so i didnt feel like shelling out the $17 or whatever for it.. then later that night, i realized that it was kinda rare, so i went back to get it.. and sure enough, it was gone.. and i've never seen it again since then.. damnit. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) voices of kwahn Does anyone else have this disc? I never listened to the whole thing through until tonight. It's great! Funky sort of tribal house. But not too fast and definately ambient/layered enough and with enough beatless tracks so as to defy categorization as a pure "dance" record. I dig it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:44:20 +0100 From: Lee Subject: (orb) IMPORTANT ANOUNCEMENT! I HAVE WON TWO TICKETS TO SEE THE ORB LIVE AT THE ROYLE ALBERT HALL THIS THURSDAY - SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE EVERYONE IS MEETING FOR A DRINK - GOD I'M SO FUCKING HAPPY!!! AAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT I CAN'T WAIT, I'LL SEE YOU GUYS UP THERE. . . . WHO'S GOING? LEE. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:34:42 +0100 From: Jason.Harvey2@barclayscapital.com Subject: (orb) Orb archive 'allo Could you tell me the address of the archive... My CD player is broken...getting desperate... ]:-> J > - ---- I could explain this message, but your brain would explode. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group unless otherwise specifically stated. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 05:28:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Babylon Sigma Subject: Re: (orb) Mime-Version: 1.0 Actually I found my copy at Broders Bookstore as well. About 2 years ago. jon > > i feel such an idiot.. that one day a year or so ago, i was at borders and > saw a copy of peel sessions 2.. didnt realize how rare it was, so i didnt > feel like shelling out the $17 or whatever for it.. then later that night, > i realized that it was kinda rare, so i went back to get it.. and sure > enough, it was gone.. and i've never seen it again since then.. damnit. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:11:49 EDT From: LiquidW@aol.com Subject: (orb) sorry , for matt only matthew? did ya get it yet???? (sorry , lost his address) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:12:32 EST5EDT From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Enigma and the Orb OK, a few things: (Talk about flogging a dead horse....) I have NOT heard Mickey Mars yet, so I don't know which sample is used. However, I have both "Return to Innocence" by Enigma AND the Sacred Spirits cd. The sample used on "Return to Innocence" is NOT to be found anywhere on the Sacred Spirits cd. I listened to BOTH two nights ago.... Then again, the copy of Sacred Spirits that I have is a promo cd that was issued when the cd was first released several years ago. The LATER promos of Sacred Spirits had one or two tracks less than the original issue (my friend has the later issue), but replaced those with a new track or two. I haven't heard the newer tracks, so they MIGHT be the same as Enigma's.... But, to add to this problem, I don't THINK anything on Sacred Spirits are samples, per se--that is, the Native American songs we done exclusively for the Sacred Spirits album, whereas Enigma actually sampled their source. Does that make sense? I could be wrong about this, though.... I apologize if this was resolved before already. I didn't pay too much attention to all the talk about this last week! ;-) - --Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:05:06 +0100 From: Chris Basford Subject: Re: (orb) OAA not so rare trax In message , Benjamin L. May writes : [Peel Sessions 2] > Holy shit! I'm starting to think that either the west coast stores >are just way better, or nobody on the west coast listens to good music, so >it all sits in the stores forever unloved and unwanted. :) I don't think it's that, it's just pretty easy to find over here in the UK (if you can get it in Virgin and HMV, you can get it anywhere), thus some of them spill over into the USA. Thus, I also don't think this should be on the OAA. Incidentally, is the first "Peel Sessions" disc easier to find than "Peel 2" ? as I'm surprised that hasn't made an appearance on the archive. Especially as it contains, what I consider, to be THE definitive version of "A Huge Ever-growing...". Still, I fully support the bootlegs being there, especially as the boys get no money from them whatsoever and they are often extortionately priced. I would upload a double CD set of the Toronto gig from 97, but I pay for my telephone calls and am on a lowly modem link :( It does contain the finest sample ever though, the "alternative" version of "These are a few of my favourite things..." :) Anyway, thanks to the OAA I have the "Roskilde 97" gig on Mini Disc, so I am very glad it's back. Chris Basford E-mail : chris@g3vkm.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:03:56 +0100 From: Chris Basford Subject: (orb) LFC 98 Just out of interest, is anyone (if they have it) planning to MP3 the new LFC mixes and put them on the OAA? Or has this been put on hold in case of Island deciding to release it as a single? Perhaps a single is imminent, as the video has made the MTV (UK) play list. Still haven't seen it though, to establish if it is a new one or the (terrible) original one. Shame the "Pomme Fritz" video wasn't on "U.F.Off" as, along with "Asylum" it's the only decent Orb video. Mind you, it is common for some bands to release a video without making a single available to buy... The recent (and very good) US video for "Come On My Selector" by Squarepusher springs to mind... Chris Basford E-mail : chris@g3vkm.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:22:25 -0500 From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orb) OAA not so rare trax What is the address for the OAA????? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:33:09 +0200 From: Kidney Kontrol Subject: Re: (orb) LFC 98 Chris Basford wrote: > Perhaps a single is imminent, as the video has made the MTV (UK) play > list. Still haven't seen it though, to establish if it is a new one or > the (terrible) original one. Shame the "Pomme Fritz" video wasn't on > "U.F.Off" as, along with "Asylum" it's the only decent Orb video. I agree with you, IMHO it's the best ever Orb video.. Maybe because the movement of the lil' blue thing is puzzling me beyond belief. I've made the object in 3D but darn it if I'm able to animate it.. Maybe I should give it a go again, afterall it's been a couple of years now. Of course I don't have the video for reference anymore... hm.. Cheers, Karsten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:44:53 EST5EDT From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Another thing.... Oh, one more bit of trivia about Enigma and the Orb: (This is really goofy, I know, but I couldn't resist!) Basically, I spent the entire weekend cleaning out my basement--lots of old papers from high school and college (Heaven knows why I was saving all of it--most of it was moldy by now, anyway....) Anyway, I found a bunch of music that I had kept, including a bunch of Gregorian chant notations. To make a long story short, Enigma uses a Gregorian chant on the song, "Mea Culpa," which appears on their first album. I HAVE the Gregorian chant notation from this particular chant (from a Harmony & Counterpoint class I took my senior year in college), and the name of the particular chant is: Kyrie from Mass XI (Orbis Factor). Just thought some of you might find it amusing. Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:48:09 EST5EDT From: "Vince Frank" Subject: Re: (orb) LFC 98 > Just out of interest, is anyone (if they have it) planning to MP3 the > new LFC mixes and put them on the OAA? > > Or has this been put on hold in case of Island deciding to release it as > a single? ===>I just looked at www.ab-cd.com yesterday, and according to their Orb items, LFC 98 cd single was to be released soon. The order price was $9.97, I think, plus shipping. Was this also mentioned before? Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: the mechanic Subject: Re: (orb) OAA not so rare trax %Incidentally, is the first "Peel Sessions" disc easier to find than %"Peel 2" ? as I'm surprised that hasn't made an appearance on the %archive. Especially as it contains, what I consider, to be THE %definitive version of "A Huge Ever-growing...".=20 I see copies of this all the time around here in New England... if anyone is looking for it I will pick up a copy next time it comes around... will take cash or trade. =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4 =09gv . musical nature.an ambient project in experimental sound http://musicalnature.8m.com . musicalnature@musicalnature.8m.com join the musical nature mailing list @ http://musicalnature.listbot.com =09=09Our grand voyage... Let it wander... Farewell. =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:35:28 -0400 From: "Anne and Andy" Subject: (orb) Auntie Aubrey's Big Book Well, as it happens thanks to Brian Frick I am the proud owner of a vinyl version of the AAEBCD remix project. Cutting to the chase, I was wondering why it reads on the records 'See booklet for full list of writing, production and publishing credits' when there is no booklet? I have the CD version and was excited about seeing the booklet that came with the vinyl. Am I missing something? i.e. a secret compartment? Andrew M. Kontrabecki Hey, has anyone caught Dj spooky on tour? Saw him on the 11th, interesting... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:14:21 -0400 From: matthew glidden Subject: RE: (orb) OAA not so rare trax At 09:22 AM 10/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > >What is the address for the OAA????? i've seen a few posts for this, so i'll post it again here... the OAA can be found at: http://www.bor.net/~orb enjoy. sergio. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:07:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) the OAA sux ;P > I don't think it sux..I think the whole fucking orb catalog >(including U.F. Off) should be on the site. That way someone in the middle of >Russia can get 'Orbed'......Some people have some stuff...some people don't. Aagh, not this discussion again! (choking, dying sounds) Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:20:31 EST5EDT From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Archival > > I don't think it sux..I think the whole fucking orb catalog > >(including U.F. Off) should be on the site. That way someone in the middle of > >Russia can get 'Orbed'......Some people have some stuff...some people don't. > > Aagh, not this discussion again! > > (choking, dying sounds) ===>Indeed. One last time (although I am certainly in no position of authority in legal matters) for y'all: The problem with posting stuff to the archives that is IN PRINT is a.) the artist (in this case, our friends Alex, Andy, Thomas, et al) does not get paid, and b.) the record label (and its attorneys) could sue the bejesus out of the "responsible party".... This MIGHT be comparable to copyright infringement. (You know, that phrase that states, "This work may not be rebroadcast, lent out, etc....") Which begs the question...: Yeah, even the stuff that is out of print is ALSO "protected" by copyright laws. But I think I remember Smiley (or someone) saying that the Orb didn't mind the out of print stuff being posted, since they weren't going to make any money on it anyway. BUT, this isn't to say that their record label won't get pissed about it, assuming they own the copyright. Just some thoughts on this subject. Note: I am NOT making any moral judgments (or judgements, for our UK friends) on this one way or the other--I'm just stating why it would be difficult to post in-print Orb material to an archive...a precaution, if you will.... Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:29:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Mike Bailey Subject: Re: (orb) Archival >> Aagh, not this discussion again! >> >> (choking, dying sounds) > >===>Indeed. One last time (although I am certainly in >no position of authority in legal matters) for y'all: oh no, it's happening again.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:28:08 +0100 From: Chris Basford Subject: Re: (orb) OAA not so rare trax In message , matthew glidden writes : >so you can still find peel sessions2 at MOST stores in the UK?  that >definitely >changes things, and i think that i'm going to be taking peel sessions2 >off...i've personally never seen a copy in the US, but i have seen copies of >many items that ARE rare...very odd.. I expect many UK people will pop up and say its not easy to get now, but in my personal experience, it's easy to come across, though sometimes a little expensive. >afaik, peel sessions1 IS in print...and i see it quite often (even here, in >the >lowly states ;)  I think there was an American version. I've seen it on import over here. It has a pink bit on the cover behind the stars, as opposed to my UK one with blue on it. Oh, and it costs lots more :) > and you're right, that version of a huge evergrowing is >AWESOME !! It does. >>It does contain the finest sample ever though, the "alternative" version >>of "These are a few of my favourite things..." :) > >hehe...yes, that is a beautiful version...i've also got the toronto show on >tape...and hopefully soon i'll be putting all my tapes onto cd (and thus, into >mp3)...it's weird, i've got about 10 shows on tape and half of them are from >the '97 tour...oh well, they're different enough for people to enjoy >downloading them (at least i would :) Yeah, I'll probably grab that "Huge Ever-growing..." from Boston soon. >>Anyway, thanks to the OAA I have the "Roskilde 97" gig on Mini Disc, so >>I am very glad it's back. > >hehe..glad you enjoy it :)  > > btw, thanks for your input...i do appreciate people giving feedback on the >site... 'Tis okay. As long as there is loads of new stuff for me to get this weekend :) Chris Basford E-mail : chris@g3vkm.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:03:53 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Archival It is happening again... it is happening again... As a side note to this debate, remember that Island Records is also U2's label and even though the band members themselves weren't all that bent out of shape about it, the label nonetheless unleashed its attorneys on Negativland for their "U2" EP back in the 80s and prevailed. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from putting the out-of-print stuff on the OAA (although I am saying that even though LX and Andy might not mind, that has little or no impact on Island's potential reaction), but watch out if you start putting U.F.Off and other easily obtained stuff in there... JG - -----Original Message----- From: Vince Frank [mailto:vpfad1@scotus.sfcpa.edu] Subject: (orb) Archival Which begs the question...: Yeah, even the stuff that is out of print is ALSO "protected" by copyright laws. But I think I remember Smiley (or someone) saying that the Orb didn't mind the out of print stuff being posted, since they weren't going to make any money on it anyway. BUT, this isn't to say that their record label won't get pissed about it, assuming they own the copyright. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Enigma and the Orb Okay, to put this whole enigma vs. sacred sprits thing to rest: I played it for a friend of mine who's into chant. It's the same piece. Not the same sample, or even the same group, but the same song. :) If you listen carefully, the words and melody are the same in many parts but the man/men performing the chant is/are different. There. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) OAA not so rare trax > I don't think it's that, it's just pretty easy to find over here in the > UK (if you can get it in Virgin and HMV, you can get it anywhere), thus > some of them spill over into the USA. Well, the fact of the matter is, no matter how easy it is to find somewhere, it's still out of print and still impossibly difficult to find at least where I am. > Incidentally, is the first "Peel Sessions" disc easier to find than > "Peel 2" ? as I'm surprised that hasn't made an appearance on the > archive. Especially as it contains, what I consider, to be THE > definitive version of "A Huge Ever-growing...". Yeah, the first one's mad easy to find. Tower gets cd shipments in every day, and they frequently run out and *get more.* This being the main difference between the peel sessions one and two. I like that version of AHEGB the most too. There's one sample that Cauty overlays on top of the normal melody that compliments it perfects. Although it only appears once or twice. :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) OAA not so rare trax > I see copies of this all the time around here in New England... if anyone > is looking for it I will pick up a copy next time it comes around... will > take cash or trade. As far as I can tell, I've seen the 1st peel sessions in every major store I've been to everywhere so far... I love your .sig by the way. Non-ASCII is cool. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) Archival > Which begs the question...: Yeah, even the stuff that is > out of print is ALSO "protected" by copyright laws. But > I think I remember Smiley (or someone) saying that the > Orb didn't mind the out of print stuff being posted, since > they weren't going to make any money on it anyway. > BUT, this isn't to say that their record label won't > get pissed about it, assuming they own the copyright. But if it ever came to a legal dispute, the record company would win, and they know it. For one simple fact. They can't claim that they're being ripped off if they get no money from the sale of the item in the first place. Any copies floating around now have already been sold at least once, and hence the LABEL has already made its money off of them. Unlike cds that are in print, the label makes money when the record companies buy the cd's... I think... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:48:13 -0400 From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (orb) Archival Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Benjamin L. May wrote: > But if it ever came to a legal dispute, the record company would > win, and they know it. This is correct. But I don't think it's what you meant to say. The record company would, indeed, win. It would be a no-brainer. > For one simple fact. They can't claim that they're being ripped off > if they get no money from the sale of the item in the first place. Any > copies floating around now have already been sold at least once, > and hence the LABEL has already made its money off of them. Except for the fact that the record company has the indisputable right to re-release the material. Just because it's out of print now doesn't mean it will be at a later time. By publishing copies of this material, even though it's out of print today, you are infringing on that right, because the record company can rightly claim that you are reducing its ability to make money on a reissue. And the record company is the only party that has that claim, and they do not give it up by virtue of not being currently in the business of publishing that material. To put it simply: it's their stuff, and no matter how they're treating it, you have no legal basis for deciding that you can publish it under any circumstances. - -- Adam J Weitzman NewsEdge Corporation Is it supposed to http://www.newsedge.com sound like that? http://www.newspage.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:21:51 -0500 From: "Sean Wolfe" Subject: Re: (orb) Archival > But if it ever came to a legal dispute, the record company would >win, and they know it. For one simple fact. They can't claim that they're >being ripped off if they get no money from the sale of the item in the >first place. Any copies floating around now have already been sold at >least once, and hence the LABEL has already made its money off of them. >Unlike cds that are in print, the label makes money when the record >companies buy the cd's... Even though no money is being made from the CD, becasue all copies have been sold out. The record Label still owns the rights and license to that recorded material. By redistributing the material, you are infringing on thier copyrights, because one. you didn't ask thier permission. two. They are not making any money off something they own. Once you start redistributing their material.. even if out of print, they can sue you for not paying a licensing fee (not royalty fee, thats a different matter), even if you aren't making any money. Case In point, John Osborn's Plunderphonics CD. Osborn created a CD made out of sampled material and created it into a sonic collage, samples from all over from michael jackson to james brown and more... He gave the CD away, didn't even attempt to sell a single CD. And he was sued, all his product was siezed and destroyed, because he never cleared his samples with the publishers. One thing to remember, there are two copyrights when it comes to recorded material. There is the written song copyright, which is usually owned the Artist or his publishing company. And there is the Physical Recording copyright, which pertains to the actual data recorded onto a CD. The Recording copyright is usually held by the Label. So even if you get permission from an artist to use thier out of print recordings, you still have to get permission from the record Label that owns those recordings. There is a really interesting article about this kind of stuff and samples in the current Electronic Musician Magazine. I recommend checking it out. If you'd like to learn more. Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:23:44 PDT From: "Peter Henry" Subject: Re: (orb) OAA not so rare trax > Yeah, the first one's mad easy to find. Tower gets cd shipments in >every day, and they frequently run out and *get more.* This being the main >difference between the peel sessions one and two. > > I like that version of AHEGB the most too. There's one sample that >Cauty overlays on top of the normal melody that compliments it perfects. >Although it only appears once or twice. :( If this is the Pink Floyd "Shine on you Crazy Diamond" sample, I fully agree. It's perfectly placed, and an excellent touch. - -Pete ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:28:14 PDT From: "Peter Henry" Subject: Re: (orb) Archival - laws >Except for the fact that the record company has the indisputable right to >re-release the material. Just because it's out of print now doesn't mean it >will be at a later time. By publishing copies of this material, even though >it's out of print today, you are infringing on that right, because the record >company can rightly claim that you are reducing its ability to make money on >a reissue. And the record company is the only party that has that claim, and >they do not give it up by virtue of not being currently in the business of >publishing that material. > >To put it simply: it's their stuff, and no matter how they're treating it, >you have no legal basis for deciding that you can publish it under any >circumstances. > What about live bootlegs? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:39:08 -0500 From: David Barkhymer Subject: (orb) content That's what I love about this list. I get the feeling that there's some brain power on it (most of the time). I doubt they have legal discussions on the Alanis Morissette mailing list. db >> But if it ever came to a legal dispute, the record company would >>win, and they know it. For one simple fact. They can't claim that they're >>being ripped off if they get no money from the sale of the item in the >>first place. Any copies floating around now have already been sold at >>least once, and hence the LABEL has already made its money off of them. >>Unlike cds that are in print, the label makes money when the record >>companies buy the cd's... > > >Even though no money is being made from the CD, becasue all copies have been >sold out. The record Label still owns the rights and license to that >recorded material. By redistributing the material, you are infringing on >thier copyrights, because > >one. you didn't ask thier permission. >two. They are not making any money off something they own. > >Once you start redistributing their material.. even if out of print, they >can sue you for not paying a licensing fee (not royalty fee, thats a >different matter), even if you aren't making any money. Case In point, John >Osborn's Plunderphonics CD. Osborn created a CD made out of sampled >material and created it into a sonic collage, samples from all over from >michael jackson to james brown and more... He gave the CD away, didn't even >attempt to sell a single CD. And he was sued, all his product was siezed and >destroyed, because he never cleared his samples with the publishers. > >One thing to remember, there are two copyrights when it comes to recorded >material. There is the written song copyright, which is usually owned the >Artist or his publishing company. And there is the Physical Recording >copyright, which pertains to the actual data recorded onto a CD. The >Recording copyright is usually held by the Label. > >So even if you get permission from an artist to use thier out of print >recordings, you still have to get permission from the record Label that >owns those recordings. > >There is a really interesting article about this kind of stuff and samples >in the current Electronic Musician Magazine. I recommend checking it out. >If you'd like to learn more. > >Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:40:04 +0200 From: Nicola Battista Subject: Re: (orb) Archival - laws At 13.28 20/10/98 PDT, Pter Henry wrote: >What about live bootlegs? live bootlegs within the European Union are now owned BY THE ARTIST and you should ask permission to the artist to use them. This has been clearly stated a few years ago as in some countries (including Italy ;))) there were some loopholes to easily legalize live boot cds and sell them in the shops without paying the original label/artists. But still, most labels today try to convince their artists to sign a deal with them so that they own the rights on the live stuff too. My friends Divine (italian classy pop-rock band from my hometown Pescara) have a deal with CPI/Polygram. When I was talking about music business laws with one of them, I told him that according to the recent european directives the artist owns his live performances. He said something like "according to my contract, I don't own ANYTHING" ;) and laughed. Hmmm. Incidentally I just remembered that the first Divine album contains an uncleared Orb sample. Errr. ;) bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista this is my church this is where I heal my hurts for tonight, God is a DJ. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #125 *************************