From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #483 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Tuesday, June 26 2001 Volume 02 : Number 483 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:26:24 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Bill Brook's Teatime Remixes This cd is great, the 12501 teatime session from lx, along with some other stuff that bbbrooo@aol.com (brooks) mixed in. I've upped the cover art and the music to the OAA and moresounds sites. The chain reaction site appeared to be full. Get ahold of this if you can, It has the centuries remix on it as well for all those who were asking. jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:26:24 -0600 From: "bi11i" Subject: (orb) Bill Brook's Teatime Remixes This cd is great, the 12501 teatime session from lx, along with some other stuff that bbbrooo@aol.com (brooks) mixed in. I've upped the cover art and the music to the OAA and moresounds sites. The chain reaction site appeared to be full. Get ahold of this if you can, It has the centuries remix on it as well for all those who were asking. jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 13:50:35 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all > Which is why socialism is more popular, > because subverting the rights of the self to the collective whole for > the good of the collective is an accepted idea. Um, by whom? - -Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 13:03:06 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all > was that, while LX originally held the copyrights on his music, most of them > have been transferred in large part to record labels and/or music Which is very unfortunate. The record industry is indeed seriously flawed - to get a deal with a major, you often do have to give up your right to your intellectual property - otherwise see ya. It's obvious from the demand, at least among hard core fans, that if LX owned the rights, he could be re-pressing stuff on Badorb right now and we would gladly buy it. Instead, all this material languishes. > successfully sued hip-hop artists for sampling and looping their grooves? Yes, grooves are protected under the "melody" portion. Of course, this could go much further if we knew who the heck first came up with the idea of a beat - their ancestors would be rich now! > its privileged access to channels of distribution. For some artists the > industry is quite appropriate. Right, either mainstream ones, or ones that claw their way up, or ones that are the manufactured flavor of the weak (sic). Most don't stand a chance. Even that the Orb got as big as they are shows amazing ability and amazing perseverance - and LX's working with a label and learning the business, I have to presume helped some, but that is pure speculation. Of course, this may be a bad example, as we've witnessed LX getting screwed over by his major in the delay of Cydonia.... Another example is my other favorite band, Rush - their career started out very slowly and took several albums to build - they would never have made it in today's record industry. > > I always thought music has always existed. The music we make, we really > > don't own, but we stumble upon it. Sound has always existed and occurs > > naturally in this world. Melodies, rhythms, harmonies, they are all > > naturally occurring instances, we just find then and make them "exist". Sigh. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:07:41 +0800 From: Kael Driscoll Subject: (orb) centuries JG wrote: >My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who >likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper." no, I too like that track, in fact centuries is one of my faves... it's too short IMHO! KL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:50:52 -0500 From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) "Man as an heroic being...." > I'd disagree with this one. People aren't perfect. Most people can be > bought. Take some Joe off the street and convince him you'll give him > $10 million to kill a random other person, and there will be no > reporcussions, I bet people will go for it. ===>There are few things that I wouldn't do for money. As I've stated before on this list, I have absolutely no problem with artists selling their music for obscene amounts of money. Hell, *I'd* do it. That said, however, there *are* things I wouldn't do. For example, I would never murder another human being for *any* amount of money. I'm sure there are people out there who would, but those are people to be avoided, IMHO. > But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something > that Liberal types find offensive. And I'm sure there are "rights" the > Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't. Goes both ways. ===>There is a *big* difference between a conservative and a libertarian agenda. Those of us who are libertarians find people on the far left and the far right equally frightening. The far right wants to limit what I consider to be my social rights; the far left wants to limit what I consider to be my economic rights...and my social rights. Vince $ (taking a cue from Tim C) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions > Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be > foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast > majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the > points of view expressed. :P Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance that we should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :) :) :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:24:45 +0100 From: "Alex" Subject: (orb) uploading the radio1 1995 interview now :) wotcha orbsters uploading the interview with Alex on radio1 session Mark Ratcliffe. 5mins mp3 recon itll take 22mins :) ok cya Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:58:48 -0400 From: "Anthony Bryan" Subject: RE: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1 > I have a tape I recorded in 95 around July. It is a Radio1 > session with Dr Alex P and Mark Radcliffe (sort of promo > session for Orbus Terrarum). just wondering if this recording thanks! do you have the music that was played after it? ant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 101 14:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: babylon@egenius.org Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Hehe yeh. Sorry to be a continuer of the thread. (Of course I have one more statement) :) My original point of posting was a response to someone describing their "right" to listen to someone's elses music without buying it, otherwise known as taking someone's product/property without paying for it, as socialist. My point being that it had nothing to do with socialism. The debate quickly devolved into political theory. MY simple point here was that either system COULD work if we could get past the inherent problems of man. (Which I personally think is a far more laudable goal). I would care less whether I was in a Capitalist or Socialist system, if everyone treated everyone well, and took care of each other, including the downtrodden. jon Further thoughts.... Even though America is always pointed at and called the Capitalist satan, it is important to note that all European countries are Capitalist as well. They have Socialist Governments but Capitalist economics. The wealth is not equally distributed, though taxes do work (most would say doesn't work) to redistribute it to "poorer" people. They still have money and you do have to purchase goods, and some people have more money to purchase with. Some people mention pure barter systems, but they are not inherently Socialist, but actually Capitalist. The person with the most/best goods to trade gets ahead. The vague notion of wealth, is just the accumulation, of tradeable stuff, that allows you to trade whenever you need or want to. That could be seen as having ten cows instead of one. There have been some very pure Socialist governments, or non-governments, as seen by most indigenous cultures in the past, such as Native Americans. Everyone worked together for the whole, and had a different role to play, but everyone shared in the wealth, ie food from hunters, shelter from the people making shelter, clothes from the people making clothes. I think it could almost be said that pure barter, and pure socialist, situations became very difficult when the amount and type of goods became so varied. It is hard to assume that we could grow or produce every thing that we need or want in todays advanced world. We would pretty much have to fall back to a non electric agrarian lifestyle. Me I love listening to music on CDs. # > Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be # > foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast # > majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the # > points of view expressed. :P # # Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance # that should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of # economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :) # :) :) # # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:16:43 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions > > Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be > > foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast > > majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the > > points of view expressed. :P No, but you know what? I used to be philsophically ignorant. I was implicitly right about a lot of things, but I had not the tools to integrate my knowledge, to eliminate contradictions therein, and to move forward intellectually - and to live life properly. All it took was someone pointing me in the right direction, saying there ARE answers - go to them. If ANY of the people reading this say, huh, this sounds like the light I have been seeking - they may do so silently and I do not mind - I am not looking for thanks or acknowledgement - though that received so far has been appreciated - then mission accomplished. For instance, there has been a lot of discussion about artists and artists' rights to their material. If this discussion helps protect those rights by causing some moral person to rethink their stance about copying commercially available, in-print material - mission also accomplished. > Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance > that we should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of > economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :) > :) :) And just what is bartering? Exchanging a product for a product of similar value. Note that barter is impossible if one side has nothing of value to offer. It is therefore (unlike under socialism or its variants) impossible to get something for free. Money is simply a representation of the value of a product (without getting into a discussion of the horror of currency not based on anything of value) and therefore the use of it is really just the barter that you advocate. There is nothing abstract about the idea of wealth. T fucking $ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:42:56 -0700 From: Jason Green Subject: Re: (orb) Orb-like dub recommendations? > Recently i've been getting into classic dub > that the early orb releases were influenced > by. I've purchased a few King Tubby, Zion > Train, and Sly & Robbie cds but there are > so many other names out there. I dont know > what i should buy next. Lee Perry? Augustus > Pablo? Andy Horace? Yabba You? The Scientist? > During Alex's dj sets at the Detroit Orb show > he played quite a few classic dub tracks which > i really liked. anybody know what those were? > any recommendations would be appreciated. Try the Dub Trees album - it's called "Nature Never Betrayed The Heart That Loved Her" and is on Dragonfly Records (UK). It's Youth's project - traditional dub sounds and influence combined with modern beats and production. _jason_ - -- Jason Green Apple Computer Inc. iTunes team / Applications Engineering dept. jgreen@apple.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:43:45 +0100 From: "Alex" Subject: Re: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1 > thanks! do you have the music that was played after it? > hiya yep I have the music played before and after it. Ill have to get round to mp3'ing them soon. But I need to get rid of the hiss of the tape first. :( On the tape was live bass and drums version of towers of dub and oxbow lakes. I think montagne d'or was released as a CD according to the discog. Before the interview is "plateau" live, maybe its a live recording from the peel sessions? or somewhere else? ok cheers Alex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:22:30 EDT From: Bbbrooo@aol.com Subject: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer Just wanted to add a point that might add something to everyones listening experience: Alex's Teatime sessions and Space Orbyssey remix. It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission. bb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:14:11 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer > It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission. That, and its mission statement contradicted its basic programming directive not to harm a human being. Computers have a far more difficult time functioning with contradictions than humans do - though of course the end result is equally predictable and catastrophic. T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:31:38 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: (orb) actual on-topic post! For those who are interested, GrooveTech has the 6/14 show available. Chris np: the ambient sounds of my crappy CD-ROM drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:34:13 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions Since a gentle nudge was apparently insufficient... Tim C wrote: > No, but you know what? I used to be philsophically ignorant. I was > implicitly right about a lot of things, but I had not the tools to > integrate my knowledge, to eliminate contradictions therein, and to move > forward intellectually - and to live life properly. All it took was > someone pointing me in the right direction, saying there ARE answers - > go to them. If ANY of the people reading this say, huh, this sounds > like the light I have been seeking - they may do so silently and I do > not mind - I am not looking for thanks or acknowledgement - though that > received so far has been appreciated - then mission accomplished. You know, there are Usenet groups and mailing lists specifically for that sort of thing. Note that this is the Orblist, just in case you were confused. :/ Is anyone else struck by how similar these rationalizations are to those of spammers and fanatics of various stripes? Just a coincidence, I'm sure. :P The ends do not necessarily justify the means, no matter how right you think you are. On a not-totally-unrelated topic; has anyone heard from Lazlo recently? AFAICT, he's been MIA for about nine months. If you (or anyone else) simply must get the last word in, feel free. I'm done with even reading these threads. Chris (getting real close to PLONKing a couple more people; I'm really dismayed about having to do that on this list) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:45:24 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions damn, why does everyone have to resort to personal attacks? fuck, i've had plenty of disagreements with people on this list - but at least i have never gotten personal with anyone... the last thing we need is all that negative BS - like OOBE started a while back... :: ::Is anyone else struck by how similar these rationalizations ::are to those ::of spammers and fanatics of various stripes? Just a coincidence, I'm ::sure. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:50:12 -0500 From: "Vince Frank" Subject: (orb) Where *is* Lazlo??? > On a not-totally-unrelated topic; has anyone heard from Lazlo recently? > AFAICT, he's been MIA for about nine months. ===>Heh, it would appear so. I've tried contacting him on at least three separate occasions, because I am subscribed to this list TWICE, and cannot get my one account removed. (The place where I work had a domain name change on January 1, and I had to resubscribe using my new email address, since I can no longer send from my old email address. However, I still *receive* mail at the old address. Since I cannot utilize the old address, I cannot unsubscribe from the old one (nor post from it, which is why I had to resubscribe in the first place!).) Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:49:58 -0500 From: Martin Wallace Subject: (orb) The last word.... I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where are you OOBE, and why so quiet? >>>If you (or anyone else) simply must get the last word in, feel free. I'm >>>done with even reading these threads. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:10:02 -0700 From: Chris Johnson Subject: (orb) Re: The last word.... Martin Wallace wrote: > > I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where > are you OOBE, and why so quiet? I very nearly spit on my monitor at this one! Best one-liner in quite a while. :D Thanks for the smile! Chris (not-quite ROTF) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:33:29 -0600 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: (orb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:33:26 -0400 it's funny how people rationalize rude comments as being sarcastic... well damn, I guess that's ok then... Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:01:39 -0500 From: oobe Subject: Re: (orb) Re: The last word.... because i'm just too fucking cool for this gay ass conversation by all these wannabe intellectuals. yop. - -=oobe > Martin Wallace wrote: > > > > I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where > > are you OOBE, and why so quiet? > > I very nearly spit on my monitor at this one! Best one-liner in quite a > while. :D > > Thanks for the smile! > > Chris > (not-quite ROTF) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:51:29 -0500 From: Don Gagen Subject: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions I've been fairly quiet about this. That's mostly because it takes less effort to hit the delete key than it does to waist time responding to undying off topic threads. However, the frequency of off topic posts has increased so much over the last year. It seems that there is more off topic BS, than there is ORB content. I've found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just talk about the ORB. That's why were all here. I didn't join the list because I want to save the rain forest, hear pedantic monologues on philosophy and enlightenment, or debate socialist vs. capitalist systems. If we keep on topic, or at least stay within the realm of music I think everyone will be much happier. We all like the ORB, and we can all agree on that. Don # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:02:49 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:33:26 -0400 lets get something straight here - this has nothing to do with Tim or his philosophy - i didn't even read what he had to say... and who are you to judge what "netiquette" or "common courtesy" is when you lower yourself to a level that is uncourteious to other individuals. if you compared me to others you consider "fanatics" - i wouldn't take that as a kind remark... oh, and just because i don't agree with you does not mean i don't know what common courtesy is - if i want to reply to something, i will - i don't need your permission. who are you to judge anyway? the only things you know about me are what i've told you... Justin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:07:37 -0400 From: "Meredith, Justin" Subject: RE: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions and i would have to concur - but, since the Orb don't release albums every year and consistently tour often it would be a dead list. and besides, this list contains some of the most intelligent people that i have had conversations with, and it is good to have varying conversations from time to time - it's what keeps alot of people on this list... ::I've found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just ::talk about the ::ORB. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:28:43 -0700 From: Ed Subject: RE: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions >the frequency of off topic posts has increased so much over the last year. >It seems that there is more off topic BS, than there is ORB content. There's the answer, Lazlo has probably just gotten used to hitting the delete key and is now deleting everything from the list. Can't say that I blame him. FVLL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:27:46 +0800 From: Simon Bennett Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer >>It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had >>a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, >>he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter >>mission. > >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well >as some good samples like: > >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..' > >:) > >Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ > (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:55:48 -0700 From: Tim C Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer > >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed > >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well > >as some good samples like: > > > >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..' Yeah, there's the great "Something is going to happen. Something wonderful." or something like that, which is sampled to great effect on the Reload Collection of Short Stories disc (recently discussed in this very forum). Granted, to see this film, you also have to put up with insipid stuff like John Lithgow's fear of heights and intestine-wrenchingly bad acting conveying it, as well as the sets that seemed to totally forget 2001's vision of the future not having blinky lights all over every available spacecraft control panel. To keep this Orb related (!), yes, my friends and I went generally bat shit when they played the 2001 samples at Maritime Hall. T PS - As I understand it, we can look forward to a theatrical re-release of 2001 later this year. I also think (again, this is slightly Orb related* as it played at some shows) Apocalypse Now is coming up for theatrical re-release too. * Not only am I smart, I am also a smart ass. I just wanted to make it clear that this Orb-related concession is only spelled out for the benefit of those who have been whining that other issues get discussed here - and I remind said people that the only reason those issues do get discussed here is they are completely relevant for understanding why or why not it is acceptable or not to copy certain musical material without paying for it - a thread I certainly didn't start. So there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:01:17 -0700 From: Ed Subject: RE: (orb) promos >If selling promos were illegal, almost every used record store in LA >would be out of business, as most of their stock is promo material. >Chain record stores that sell used CDs (like Wherehouse) don't sell >promos because that would be the final straw for the distributors and >major labels, who are already pissed that they are selling used CDs. > >Chris If that isn't the truth. Only the chain stores would be left open, and Tower is just about bankrupt so there wouldn't be much left. Without coping everything that Chris stated I'll just add a couple of more points. The "not for sale" stamped on promo's means not to be sold as a new record. They can order boxes of the purchase copies to satisfy everyone. Promo's usually don't come shrink wrapped like new stuff (in the US they shrink wrap just about everything) The promo's I see in all the stores are found in the "Used" bins, not the bins with new product. (Of course someone selling on the web will try and get as much as possible when they know there is a demand for it) Promo's many times have different covers, or no covers at all. Promo's are not only for Radio & news media, but also for DJ's. Many times they are not going to release that 12" that was released overseas because it just doesn't pay them to put it out in this country. The promo is a service to the DJ so that the material gets heard and somebody goes out and buys the album. They could give a **** that people will be pissed when they buy the album and can't find that mix they were dancing to the other night. They don't care. This must be the third time this topic has come up in two years. If you live in LA it's promo galore when you hit shops around town. NY too from what I've heard. Like Chris said you won't find them in the chain stores. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:02:35 +0800 From: Simon Bennett Subject: (orb) the Orb and science fiction At 06:55 PM 06-25-2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed > > >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well > > >as some good samples like: > > > > > >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..' > >Yeah, there's the great "Something is going to happen. Something >wonderful." or something like that exactly that, i think. that's an easy one though. >Granted, to see this film, you also have to put up with >insipid stuff like John Lithgow's fear of heights and >intestine-wrenchingly bad acting conveying it, oh be nice, he does a sterling job of portraying a man who's crapping himself. :) (i know i'd crap myself if i had to do a spacewalk like that.) >as well as the sets that >seemed to totally forget 2001's vision of the future not having blinky >lights all over every available spacecraft control panel. but blinky lights rock! computers should be covered in the buggers. i've never liked internal modems for the simple reason that they're more or less bereft of blinky lights. besides which, what's quicker: asking HAL (or his counterpart) for information or checking a blinky light? besides which, they might have come into fashion again by then. :) what amuses me most about 2010 is that the Cold War is still going; what really blows me away is the ending - one of the coolest things in science-fiction cinema for a long time. but i don't want to spoil the surprise. >To keep this Orb related (!), yes, my friends and I went generally bat >shit when they played the 2001 samples at Maritime Hall. > >T > >PS - As I understand it, we can look forward to a theatrical re-release >of 2001 later this year. i can look backward to it. it's been and gone in Australia, as far as i know. >I also think (again, this is slightly Orb >related* as it played at some shows) Apocalypse Now is coming up for >theatrical re-release too. yes, with stacks of extra footage. obTopic: the Orb's Ultraworld album had a nice fluffy astro-sci-fi bent, it did. anyone tried doing sci-fi visuals and Orb audio - e.g how does AHEGPB work over the trip sequence at the end of 2001? (apparently Pink Floyd's song Echoes synchs beautifully..) Simon Bennett :: womble@it.net.au :: http://home.it.net.au/~womble/ (aka womble) :: http://www.corvus.cx/ :: http://womble.furvect.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:50:50 +0100 From: "Chain Reaction" Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer >>It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission. >That, and its mission statement contradicted its basic programming directive not to harm a human being. Computers have a far more difficult time functioning with contradictions than humans do - though of course the end result is equally predictable and catastrophic. Finally the ship was under command of a computer with a psychosis...apparently not a very good combination. Steph...(who urges everyone to read the book!) - -- "Life films us exactly" - Vladislav Delay _______________________________________________ FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup FREE PC-to-Phone calls with Net2Phone http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?121 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:02:47 -0500 From: John Moxness Subject: (orb) new music are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly one that specializes in electronic music? thanks, john # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:49:12 -0400 From: "" Subject: Re: (orb) new music : are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming? possibly : one that specializes in electronic music? not specifically electronic.. but if you shop around enough on www.amazon.com the recommendations they give are pretty inline w/ my tastes now. they use a profiling/personalization engine to do the recommendations and have a enough 'cool' & 'related' artists strung together to keep you busy. besides it's easy to find stuff on their site. for example... look at a Kruder & Dorfmiester CD... and they'll recommend Tosca or Peace Orchestra. Then they'll recommend other Downtempo artists based on you looking at the K&D discs. A good way to start is get registered and log in. Then just search for the discs you *do* own. Rate them using their little 5 star system (in the left nav bar) and go around and vote on your favorite albums... Rate about 20 of your CDs (don't need to write a review, just vote) and it should start kicking some good recommendations. Then next time you login ... the home page will change to fit your choices and it'll start throwing out new releases related to electronic music. I've been using Amazon.com for a while, and it even recommended Cydonia when it finally came out, based on my other purchases, votes, and browse-ing-s Of course this depends on how paranoid you are and if you are willing to let yourself get profiled on the web site. : visual artist : web producer : www.thezenlab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:38:30 EDT From: Susan Bartos Subject: (orb) Brezeblock Hi everyone - I just obtained a copy of the Breezeblock Radio 1 set, and I was wonderin= g if someone has a listing of the songs that includes running times. The list= ing that came with my copy is a little awkward, since the CD actually starts = with Hamlet of Kings, but this is not included on the list. (If I knew all th= e songs this wouldn't be a problem, but...) So if anyone has this and feel= s like forwarding it on to me, it would be greatly appreciated and much mor= e accurate than me trying to do it all myself. :) Thanks in advance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #483 *************************