From: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com (orb-digest) To: orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orb-digest V2 #516 Reply-To: orb-digest Sender: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orb-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes orb-digest Thursday, October 4 2001 Volume 02 : Number 516 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:36:24 EDT From: FLipU4ReeL@aol.com Subject: (orb) mo' bobs Your guess is as good as mine concerning bob4. It's pretty irritating if you ask me. Think we'll get bob5 before the New Year then? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:23:47 -0700 From: Kennedy Cosker Subject: (orb) Look what I have... Hi, This whole elitist "Bobs" thread is just too wierd. This whole limited pressing thing is bullshit. Who and why is it being promoted? I find it selfish and elitist. Why is everyone so concerned with its rareness? So they can make big $$ on Ebay someday? So they could be the ONLY ones who have these releases and then tease everyone else who don't have it? Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with their baseball cards. I am also an Orb completist but sure didn't find myself in the line to get those Bobs. I guess I will be the begging for it later ;) This sure isn't why I'm into the Orb. Why is this even happening? Does this whole elite Bob collector thing bother anyone else or is it just my noncapitalist radical roots showing? Why is this sort of thing promoted anyway? Look what I have that you don't, it's soo rare and its now worth $______.... Freedom and peace to all, K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:36:19 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: RE: (orb) Look what I have... > I am also an Orb completist but sure didn't > find myself in the line to get those Bobs. That's not because it was any "elitist" or exclusive or secret thing. Just low-key, I guess. > Why is everyone so concerned with its rareness? So > they can make big $$ on Ebay someday? Speaking for myself (and a handful of fellow fans and people with whom I've discussed this), I just thought it was a great "internet era" (shudder) concept, a great way to run a new, "modern" label. They put a streaming sample up on the web site. You (the fan) go and listen to the sample(s). If you like it/them, you order the record. On a certain date they count up however many orders they've gotten and then press that many. And that's *supposed* to be it (the web site says "pressed and deleted"). Great concept. Sure, part of it may be collectibility/trainspottery (the quantities cited for the first three were all under 500), but part of my (only *slightly* negative) reaction to the re-press of 1-3 is that it dilutes somewhat what I thought was a great idea for a label, if that makes any sense. I, too, have friends who, like you, "missed out" on BOBs 1-3 and I'm glad for them that they'll have a chance to get copies. I guess I still hope the repress is a one-time thing, though, something they're doing because so many interested people missed out on the launch. I still hope that from now on they stick to their guns re: "pressed and deleted." If that makes me "elitist," then so be it. I guess that would make the whole concept for the label "elitist," no? Even before they announced this repress, I was thinking that it'd be a cool idea to wait six months or a year, and then issue a compilation CD of that period's BOBs (including b-sides), but to stick to the limited initial quantities for the vinyl singles. I'm all for the music being "out there" and available to all, especially since it's been so damn good. > is it just my noncapitalist radical roots showing? Radical, schmadical. We are talking about collecting records here, after all. If you truly want to "beat the system" and strike a blow against capitalism, find someone who bought the MP3 subscription and get them to copy the tracks for you. Not that I condone such action: I'd rather see you support the label. This whole discussion illustrates my original impetus for posting the "what do you think about the repress?" question in the first place: because I had mixed emotions about it and was wondering if anyone else felt the same. And I'll be the first to admit that had I missed out, I'd be thrilled with the repress and probably having similar reactions to what you perceive as "elitism." During the pre-Cydonia days, I was one of many who was calling for those lucky few with v1 and v2 CDRs to share them with the rest of us. And I feel right sheepish about having typed such a long post about this issue; I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that there are bigger problems in the world than whether there are 500 or 5000 copies of the SE Berlin 12" in circulation. But I'll send it anyway, I guess... flame away... JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:12:37 -0500 From: Brian Frick Subject: Re: (orb) Look what I have... Perhaps it's just something Alex is doing to, say, make enough money to live on. He does have a wife and a child. You can't live on nothing, you know. As for the rareness, who cares. If I want to pay a collector price for a piece of vinyl, I will. If you don't want to, you won't. I'm a completist too. The whole point of being a completist is to have one of everything. It's that simple. Do I ever plan on selling my collection? Hell no. Do I care what it's worth? Hell no. Do I want to enjoy it? Hell yes. It's not like Alex is charging an arm and a leg for this stuff. $10 US is damned dirt cheap for a record from the UK. Why is limited pressings "bullshit"? Why is it "selfish and elitist"? I am certainly proud of my Orb collection. I don't consider that elitist. I've worked my ASS off to pay for some of those things -- Aubrey Mixes, for one; FFWD for another -- and that is why I have what I do. Are you suggesting Alex should sacrifice himself by making music that he should distribute free to everyone who wants it? Now THAT is sick. What's going on with the Bobs doesn't bother me in the least. Except that Alex said we wouldn't get charged until they were sent, and my card's been charged for Bobs 4 and 5... And I don't have them. - -Brian > From: Kennedy Cosker > Organization: Wilder Adventures > Subject: (orb) Look what I have... > > > Hi, > This whole elitist "Bobs" thread is just too wierd. This whole limited > pressing thing is bullshit. Who and why is it being promoted? I find it > selfish and elitist. Why is everyone so concerned with its rareness? So > they can make big $$ on Ebay someday? So they could be the ONLY ones who > have these releases and then tease everyone else who don't have it? > Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with their baseball cards. I am also > an Orb completist but sure didn't find myself in the line to get those > Bobs. I guess I will be the begging for it later ;) > > This sure isn't why I'm into the Orb. Why is this even happening? Does > this whole elite Bob collector thing bother anyone else or is it just my > noncapitalist radical roots showing? Why is this sort of thing promoted > anyway? > > Look what I have that you don't, it's soo rare and its now worth > $______.... > > Freedom and peace to all, > K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:47:59 EDT From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Look what I have... word id have to agree with just about everything you said. DJ TeleVision In a message dated Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:59:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian Frick writes: > > Perhaps it's just something Alex is doing to, say, make enough money to live > on. He does have a wife and a child. You can't live on nothing, you know. > > As for the rareness, who cares. If I want to pay a collector price for a > piece of vinyl, I will. If you don't want to, you won't. > > I'm a completist too. The whole point of being a completist is to have one > of everything. It's that simple. Do I ever plan on selling my collection? > Hell no. Do I care what it's worth? Hell no. Do I want to enjoy it? Hell > yes. > > It's not like Alex is charging an arm and a leg for this stuff. $10 US is > damned dirt cheap for a record from the UK. > > Why is limited pressings "bullshit"? Why is it "selfish and elitist"? > > I am certainly proud of my Orb collection. I don't consider that elitist. > I've worked my ASS off to pay for some of those things -- Aubrey Mixes, for > one; FFWD for another -- and that is why I have what I do. > > Are you suggesting Alex should sacrifice himself by making music that he > should distribute free to everyone who wants it? > > Now THAT is sick. > > What's going on with the Bobs doesn't bother me in the least. Except that > Alex said we wouldn't get charged until they were sent, and my card's been > charged for Bobs 4 and 5... And I don't have them. > > -Brian > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:00:44 EDT From: Ovation15@aol.com Subject: Re: (orb) Look what I have... the orb have always put out limited quantity releases for all the hardcore fans with every release as far as i know. its being promorted by Dr Alex himself fool, its his label. i think its about time he broke away from the big label island and did his own thing on his own terms. youre twisting this whole thing into something its not. anyone can purchase these records. you just have to order them before time is up thats simple. they are cheap too man how is this an elite Bob collector thing? its only limited to the people who order it. even yo ass can order a copy. so simmer down my friend and dont hate on Dr Alex's new venture, its a good thing he has the freedom to do what he wants when he wants to and release whatever the hell he feels like. i mean this last tour was all about promoting Bad Orb, its the future of the orb. so stop crying and go order yourself a bob subscription and be happy, youll feel much better about things. DJ TeleVision In a message dated Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:05:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kennedy Cosker writes: > > Hi, > This whole elitist "Bobs" thread is just too wierd. This whole limited > pressing thing is bullshit. Who and why is it being promoted? I find it > selfish and elitist. Why is everyone so concerned with its rareness? So > they can make big $$ on Ebay someday? So they could be the ONLY ones who > have these releases and then tease everyone else who don't have it? > Sounds like a bunch of spoiled kids with their baseball cards. I am also > an Orb completist but sure didn't find myself in the line to get those > Bobs. I guess I will be the begging for it later ;) > > This sure isn't why I'm into the Orb. Why is this even happening? Does > this whole elite Bob collector thing bother anyone else or is it just my > noncapitalist radical roots showing? Why is this sort of thing promoted > anyway? > > Look what I have that you don't, it's soo rare and its now worth > $______.... > > Freedom and peace to all, > K > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:37:18 -0500 From: Don Gagen Subject: RE: (orb) Look what I have... I would have bought it whether it was limited or not. I don't agree with a repressing after selling it as limited edition. There are people who buy them for the rarity. They should at least change the packaging, or offer a CD. They aren't doing anything new. Most records on small lables in general are very limited, but they just don't make it known with exact numbers. So unless you consider all record sales bullshit I don't understand why it's elitist. I never got the sense that anyone is bragging either. It was more excitment about the records they got, or displeasure with the services of Badorb. I think that it's nice to have some Orb type releases that can be talked about on a regular basis. It helps keep things on topic. Don # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 07:41:34 +0800 From: Simon Bennett Subject: RE: (orb) Look what I have... Me personally, i'm chuffed at the idea of a repressing of the first three bobs because it means i have a chance at borrowing someone's credit card to get my hands on 'Shuttle'. It's a bit elitist from the standpoint that people are going to miss out if they don't have the ability to pay for the gear, or they'll miss out if they don't happen to like the vinyl format, or whatever other reason - but being mad at Alex Paterson for trying something new and different is like being mad at Mick and Vic for being small and shell-backed - it's just their nature. :- Simon Bennett -:- womble@it.net.au -:- ICQ 11029830 -: :- a.k.a kwoOk / Womble -:- web: http://www.corvus.cx/ -: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:49:13 -0500 From: -=brian=- Subject: Re: (orb) Look what I have... > Me personally, i'm chuffed at the idea of a repressing of the first three > bobs because it means i have a chance at borrowing someone's credit card = to > get my hands on 'Shuttle'. That's a good thing I guess. I'm not too clear as to what "chuffed" means; is that a colloquialism? Regardless, though, what does one's inability to pay for the music have to do with anything? > It's a bit elitist from the standpoint that > people are going to miss out if they don't have the ability to pay for th= e > gear, Uh, one's inability to pay for something has no relation to elitism. I think it more has to do with, say, one's economic status. If one can't afford something he wants, it becomes elitist?! No. It just becomes unfortunate. > or they'll miss out if they don't happen to like the vinyl format, Alex doesn't and shouldn't give a hoot whether people like vinyl or not. Any good completist will buy it anyway. :) My 2=A2 again... - -Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin L. May" Subject: (orb) selling a copy of europe 92 Hey guys, I tried to list this CD on ebay and they removed it. But for some reason dipping into the cyberworld stayed on. Who knows? Anyways, I shall take bids for the next, say, 7 or 8 days. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:18:45 +0100 From: "Chain Reaction" Subject: [none] Hi all, It seems that some people (John Goelzer, maybe?) have trouble to reach me on this account (bouncing messages?). Alternatively, you can reach me at: stephan.hesse@algemeen.mgim.wau.nl Thanx for your time, Steph... - -- "Life films us exactly" - Vladislav Delay _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Have you downloaded the latest calling software from Net2Phone? Click here to get it now! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=NH211JK&url=http://commcenter.net2phone.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:32:48 -0400 From: "Anthony Bryan" Subject: (orb) S7 - soft rain clip http://www.a-wave.com/system7/ the song lx worked on for their new album is up along w/ others. a good sample, almost 4 min. sounds pretty nice. gonna have to get this one, esp if its like PoS. thanks for the review Steph 1. MANIK SHAMANIK 2. HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER 3. 7 O'CLOCK 4. SOFT RAIN (with Alex Paterson) 5. SAL DEL MAR 6. VARKALA 7. THE ABYSS 8. CHIRINGUITO ant # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Storm Subject: [none] ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dr. Bobo" Subject: [none] Dr. Bobo says hello Dr. Bobo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Noraa Selim Subject: (orb) Joe Hannah Let all be aware that our resident orbie Joe Hannah is the most generious dude out there... all hail Joe! M o l o r a m... s u t h e r a m... moloram sutheram BoomBoom'.M o l o r a m... s u t h e r a m... moloram sutheram BoomBoom (repeat and sacrifice human in Kali fire pit until Indiana Jones comes to save everyone... On a more on topic note, has anyone got their mp3 cards for Bob 5 yet...? (or any for that matter) I have no way of transfering records to mp3 for my portable player (so I don't fall asleep in class...) - -peace out _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:41:10 +0800 From: Simon Bennett Subject: (orb) New fan orb remix Hullo! I've gone and done another remix of an orb classic, this time a quick and silly trip around the world of "Perpetual Dawn". The MP3 is available for download at http://www.corvus.cx/mp3s/ along with the 'Little FLuffy Clouds' remix. Enjoy. ;) :- Simon Bennett -:- womble@it.net.au -:- ICQ 11029830 -: :- a.k.a kwoOk / Womble -:- web: http://www.corvus.cx/ -: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:00:15 +0000 From: "dx dx" Subject: (orb) Re: hello. testing, testing....is this thing on? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Bartos Subject: Re: (orb) Look what I have... > What's going on with the Bobs doesn't bother me in > Except that > Alex said we wouldn't get charged until they were > sent, and my card's been > charged for Bobs 4 and 5... And I don't have them. See...this is why I'm dissapointed in the whole badorb ordering system. I was charged 35 quid for 30 quid's worth of merchandise; my invoice showed the difference being credited for VAT, but to this day I haven't gotten the credit on my credit card. Not to mention that charge was for bobs 1-3 and tog1 as a lump sum - but I've yet to see tog1 (as I said earlier). I've not oredered another bob since. I'm as completist as the next collector, but I also beleive in getting what I paid for. Just watch your credit cards, kiddies... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:41:19 EDT From: Bbbrooo@aol.com Subject: (orb) Re: FTP question Suggest you try: Login=orb, pass=orb >Can anyone help out with the login/password? >Israhim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: james.drysdale@utoronto.ca Subject: (orb) hello? testing? hello? ......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo...... "God help us. We're in the hands of engineers." - - from Jurassic Park # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orb" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orb@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of orb-digest V2 #516 *************************