From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #163 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Wednesday, January 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 163 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: brian lorraine Subject: Re: (orbital) HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOOPZ yea how old is this loopz geeezer anyways? >:) hehehe > Anyways Loopz, here's a pint to ya :) (/me raises a can of barq's root > beer) > > Everybody stop in #orbital (undernet) today. Loopz isn't there, but if he > comes in we can all wish him a good one :) peace, brain http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~blorra1 ICQ #: 8250574 AOL IM: BrAiNumbc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:01:22 +0000 From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) expensive/cheap /advanced dance/Pullen At 00:26 26/01/99 -0500, Knightphall wrote: > >I get 90% of my techno for $1.99 or less in the bargain bin=20 >:-) Damn college kids sell back these CDs as used and no one=20 >wants them but me. =20 and you're complaining? ;-) At 13:02 26/01/99 -0500, Aronne J Merrelli wrote: > > >So yes,=20 >I actually paid $10 for _one_ track :) =20 I paid =A315 for diversions, and all I got was Impact USA on CD (I'd already= got the 12") and an extra 20-odd seconds on Lush 3-3 over what's on the= single. And yes, it did seem worth it, and still does. And then I've got= things I paid 49p for and aren't worth it. Weird, huh? My BEST buy was= probably Tri Repetae for 49p, beacuse Virgin had put it in with the sale= singles.... nice.=20 Now I come to think of it I bought one of the Portishead 'Sour Times' CDs= because it had a different colour sleeve to the original release.... now= that IS silly!=20 At 13:49 26/01/99 GMT, Apollo Project 'Trym' wrote: > >intelligent techno, that's an expression i heard from Steve and it had=20 >me puzzled for quite a while, now i've come across the term more and=20 >more often in connection with other bands i like too and that's probably=20 >what i will start to call it from now on.=20 And then you'll come up against people who think you're a snob.... "other= techno is 'stupid'" sort of thing. Which isn't what you mean (or maybe it= is....), but that's what people will think you mean. I think 'intelligent= techno' sums up a lot of techno very well. How about 'advanced dance'? I= challenge you to come up with something we agree on! Wouldn't it be handy= if one of us could come up with such a phrase?=20 >there's also a remix of one of his songs as Ultraviolet called 'stacey=20 >pullen remix', anyone care to tell me who this is (if indeed stacey=20 >pullen is a band, that is)? He used to work with Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May, so I suppose he's= from Detroit or thereabouts. He records as Kosmic Messenger and I expect= several others, and does techno/house or whatever you want to call it.=20 - - cheers, Jon - ----------------------------- Jon Green zcapn33@ucl.ac.uk "just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning=20 It shows the world you've got substance and depth" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:36:16 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) still on about what I call 'techno'.... >ok, I agree with you generally, but that comment about the prodigy is horse >shit! The prodigy themselves said that they changed their style to >electro-punk or whatever the hell it is. And I don't recall Keith Flint >screaming through all of the songs on Jilted or some cheesey ass alternative >singer singing in it either. I still love all of the old prodigy music, it >is some of the best in the industry imo, but that new album sucked. There >was so many limits placed on it that the other ones didn't have. If you >really listen, fat of the land does not carry the complexity of the older >stuff. It is no wonder that Liam Howlett refuses to do another prodigy >album and is currently working on a collaboration album with Gary >Numan(sp?). My opinion here is that if the style of the music changes and >the image of the band changes as well, then the band has sold out. Groups >like the Crystal Method and Daft Punk did not sell out because they did not >change anything about themselves to become popular. They just made popular >music originally. >sorry, I was getting tired of this topic and had to voice my opinion >morpheus don't apologize for voicing your opinion ... but umm, I do agree that they changed their style with FOTL. I mean, it's OBVIOUS, but what I said is that I like it as much as jilted. I mean, I'd probably put Vegas and Homework (to use the artists you named...) approximately on the same level too, even though those albums aren't like FOTL or jilted at all. I try to keep a very open mind and allow myself to like a lot of styles. I like the jilted style, but I also like the FOTL style too. sure, some of it was flat out ridiculous, but I still really love climbatize. as for the "screaming" ... well, I think that came more from the live act than from "selling out" ... 'cause prodigy is all about the show. when performing their law, for example, rather than having that rather dull voice sample as on the album, keith takes a mic and shouts it to the crowd. well, the response from their stage energy was incredible .. and I think they just tried to carry it over on FOTL with more voice samples. hell, I think it'd be a much better album if they changed NOTHING except taking the lyrics out. anyways, I still like to listen it AND jilted (and experience too).... jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:38:43 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital @ lollapolooza? >At 10:26 PM 1/25/99 -0500, you wrote: >>HOW??? ... all too often I hear of people meeting bands after the show and >>stuff but I wanna know how! :) as I said in another message, I had tickets >>to lolla 97 too. > > They did autograph sessions at most of the shows. I met them while Korn >was playing. (A much better use of my time, I thought....) I missed Tricky >by about 10 minutes because we were wandering around. ahh... I was picturing a backstage kinda thing.. :) scott kirkland hung around after the crystal method show and I got his autograph on a ticket and poster, but that's it (SO FAR) for me meeting big groups (or members thereof) jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:42:30 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) most paid for a CD? >mine are Pink Floyd's Pulse for $45.99 cdn AE's LP5 for $26.99 >(this one still pisses me off that I paid this much - Prodigy's Jilted >$25.99 >and I just bought U.F.Off yesterday for $27.99 and was that ever worth it. >I never realised that the Orb was this good (previously only had Orblivion >and Orbvs Terarrvm) >Does anyone else think that Mickey Mars was never released because Enigma >released Return to Innocence right before the orb could? After all, they do >have the same Indian chanting sample. >morpheus YES! I was thinking the same thing! ... but the orb don't get any (I heard toxygene ONCE - when they played the "club song of the week" or whatever) radio play here in detroit, so I doubt anyone would've noticed.. :) and jilted for 25.99? ouch.. sorry to hear that.. but it's definitely worth "normal" price.. jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:56:24 -0500 From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) most paid for a CD? > mine are Pink Floyd's Pulse for $45.99 cdn AE's LP5 for $26.99 > (this one still pisses me off that I paid this much - Prodigy's Jilted > $25.99 > and I just bought U.F.Off yesterday for $27.99 and was that ever worth it. > I never realised that the Orb was this good (previously only had Orblivion > and Orbvs Terarrvm) I paid $48 CDN for LP5. Ouch. - -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/Student/djcolquh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:04:55 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) trym's last say on techno classification + other questions >intelligent techno, that's an expression i heard from Steve and it had >me puzzled for quite a while, now i've come across the term more and >more often in connection with other bands i like too and that's probably >what i will start to call it from now on. no more "techno", no more >"electronica"/"electronic music" even though those two terms are indeed >fairly well-covering and general if ever there was a need to cover all >the .. music .. you listen to. well, I guess just to clear it up... I think "intelligent dance music" is referring to Aphex Twin, Mu-Ziq, Squarepusher, Autechre, etc... kinda what I think of as knob-twiddlers (as "mike and rich" termed it... heh) >a quick question too, there's this dj/artist back in Norway who >collaborates with Per Martinsen (Mental Overdrive) now and then and who, >under the name Ultraviolet, has released a few decent house tracks. his >name, maybe just artist name for all i know, is Dj Nick Sillitoe, has >anyone (from abroad) ever heard of him and has he been involved in some >other projects? > >there's also a remix of one of his songs as Ultraviolet called 'stacey >pullen remix', anyone care to tell me who this is (if indeed stacey >pullen is a band, that is)? INCREDIBLY IRONIC you mention that.... DJ Stacey Pullen *JUST* played the Motor Lounge (one of the very few good clubs around here believe it or not.. Juan Atkins plays there a lot) on Friday after an encore screening of Modulations. I almost went, but decided not to at the last minute. Modulations, by the way, has DJ Stacey Pullen in it, actually, as well as other Detroiters Juan Atkins, Carl Craig, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, and Eddie Folwkes. (and just for more info, pullen's with astralwerks/black flag) jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:11:41 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) trym's last say on techno classification >>>actually, I live in detroit (suburbs, actually, but close enough), so >>>of course I know of/have seen Juan Atkins, Carl Craig, etc... my point is >>>that somewhere along the line (I think) people got way too specific. techno >>>has gone from a term referring to "electronic music" and has been just >>>about squeezed out because nobody fits into it (those who do are usually >>>referred to even more specifically as "detroit techno") > >But was all electronic music really techno even then? I mean - Depeche >Mode, Ralph Lundsten, Ultravox - that wasn't called techno at all from what >I can remember, so it was pretty narrow even then. depeche mode is one of my favorite bands, yet I still don't know what to classify them as. same thing with bjork, enigma, and enya (could say ambient I suppose) ... right now I have my cd's into two main groups... techno and non-techno. all of those are in the non-techno, but you could really make an argument for depeche mode because of the very strong electronic influence. that's where I sort of draw a line between techno and electronic music... that electronic music is slightly broader, encompassing some rock or pop or whatever... but not specifically based on the electronic aspect of the music. there's always people that border all genres, though..... jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:43:05 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: selling out, etc. >You obviously haven't heard enough obscure artists :) not as much as I'd like to .... but still far more than anyone I know (in the "real world"). I don't know who I should refer to, but just for comparison, I personally enjoy chemical brothers more than orbital. I've been listening to orbital for a long time now (long before I had heard of chemical brothers), probably about 6 or 7 years, and for most of that time I've proclaimed them (orbital) as my favorite. unfortunately, the chemical brothers passed the hartnoll brothers somewhere along the line IN MY OPINION. I'm still a big fan of orbital, don't get me wrong, but I think the difference for me was seeing the chems live.... it really vaulted them to the top of my list. things could change with the new album (and hopefully US tour.. ahem), but that style suits me. apparently it suits many more as well. I also agree that it is key to be signed with a major label to sell tons of records (even though, as you hinted, NO techno artist really sells tons - I guess prodigy's fat of the land would really be the only one that could be considered tons on the bigger scheme) and that exposure really helps. hell, when amp hit the air, I honestly went out and bought several cd's of artists who I hadn't heard of (now considered sellouts I suppose) but was impressed with. I think before then (winter 96), I was pretty much listening to just aphex twin, moby, orb, orbital, and a few others. I admit (reluctantly), seeing the setting sun video was the first time I heard that song. I went out and bought both EPD and DYOH right away and loved 'em both. still do. anyways, I'm sort of going off on a tangent, but let me say this.. I like to hear the music before I buy it. sure, I've bought several albums blindly or after hearing only one track, but when there's SOOO little exposure, the people with the exposure are going to be the ones to be successful. I don't think they should be penalized for having the exposure, that's all. I don't think it guarantees success, either, though. amp (especially what they have on now - late 96/early 97 was different) has a LOT of shit on it, but they also have good music too. hell, orbital's been on amp several times... more than chemical brothers I believe. so why haven't they hit the chems' numbers? they've had just as much exposure and they're good, right? as for the selling out thing, just one last comment... I don't see anything wrong with it. artists need to make money, so I say if a commercial wants to use a song, go ahead and sell it to 'em. no techno artist is in the position just yet to be "too good for that"... the rolling stones selling "brown sugar" to like 6 different commercials after having a tour that grossed $193 million last year, on the other hand, is a different story altogether! :) jason >I don't agree with this - (the "there is a reason these guys are more >successful than your average techno artist") As soon as you are >signed to a major record label its pretty easy to sell tons of >records (tons meaning like 50 or 100,000 , even though to a record >company this could be a loss to them) >Its all about marketing - you can write complete shit, but once >you are on MTV and in every Kmart and NRM across the US you will >sell records... So honestly, I think being successful like the >Chems has nothing to do with how good your music is, it just >means that a record company thought they could make money off you. >No disrespect to the Chems or their fans intended, I'm just >trying to make a point. > >There are a very few artists that are sucessful because they are >good; I'd say this defintely for autechre, and probably orbital... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:50:28 +0200 (IST) From: brian lorraine (by way of chump@netvision.net.il) Subject: Re: (orbital) HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOOPZ i think his 94 , +,- ? yea how old is this loopz geeezer anyways? >:) hehehe > Anyways Loopz, here's a pint to ya :) (/me raises a can of barq's root > beer) > > Everybody stop in #orbital (undernet) today. Loopz isn't there, but if he > comes in we can all wish him a good one :) peace, brain http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~blorra1 ICQ #: 8250574 AOL IM: BrAiNumbc # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:42:41 GMT From: "Apollo Project 'Trym'" Subject: Re: (orbital) 'tekkno' + on + on + happy b-day Loopz! >Well, all I'm saying is that I can't say I dislike a band just because many >people listen to it - It seems as if that is one of the _main_ reasons >people dis bands, which is sad IMHO indeed. >>And it just happens to be that Prodigy and Chems are like >>that to me. >So even if they made music you liked, you wouldn't listen to it just >because of that fact? OK - fine. i wouldn't know because i'd be one of those people and would never have had these opinions... :-) >That's what we all do ;) No offense taken, dude. >Although I like both the Chems and Prodigy 8) there's that... ;) let's have an orbital single and album to talk about soon, happy birthday Steve! Trym - ---------------------------------------------------------- The Apollo Project - an unofficial Biosphere internet zine URL : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ E-Mail : apollo_project@hotmail.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:48:16 GMT From: "Apollo Project 'Trym'" Subject: Re: (orbital) most paid for a CD? when i can pay £2.99 for Sally's Photographic Memory in a store, I think I'm paying too much for cd's in general... ...although i once paid a bit over 40 dollars for a special edition 4LP promoversion of Green by R.E.M. worth every dime, although i paid it in norwegian kroner. Trym - ---------------------------------------------------------- The Apollo Project - an unofficial Biosphere internet zine URL : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ E-Mail : apollo_project@hotmail.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:57:37 GMT From: "Apollo Project 'Trym'" Subject: Re: (orbital) this classification bizniz >depeche mode is one of my favorite bands, yet I still don't know what to classify them as. depeche mode are one of my favourites too, and i mean to remember from somewhere that i once heard the term 'industrial techno/new age' about them, but i never really thought much more of it. when you raise the question now, i'm equally clueless, but the term i mention still seems a bit correct with depeche mode having that "industrial" sound. like so many other depeche fans though, i'm sad to say i'm one of the masses who think "enjoy the silence" is best and "personal jesus" makes me think of westerns. cheers, Trym - ---------------------------------------------------------- The Apollo Project - an unofficial Biosphere internet zine URL : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ E-Mail : apollo_project@hotmail.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:02:20 -0700 From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: (orbital) Plastikman followup Apparently this message did not go through the first time, so I'm trying again: Has anyone heard his track titled Sickness? I just got it on the Novamute comp CD, and it is a killer. Way more interesting than the stuff on Consumed, imo (but to be fair I have only tried to get through Consumed once; now that I've heard Sickness, I'll give it another go round). Comments? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:01:28 -0000 From: "Richard Mellor" Subject: (orbital) Style + Loopz Article I heard 'Style' on Radio 1 today and It sounds really, really good. Immediately reminds me of Kraftwerk but sounds like no other type of dance music around at the moment, can't wait till it's released :p Also got tickets for me + mates to see Orbital at the Civic Hall in Wolverhampton today so if anyones going to that one I might see you there ;) !!!!!! The other bit of news... I don't know if Steve Price has already seen it or knows about it but 'Loopz' is featured in this months edition of 'PC Format' (the UKs biggest selling PC Magazine) in the 'Wired World' section even though they spell the URL wrong! Orbital get awarded Band of the Month and there is a piece about 'Loopz'. This is what they say about it: "One of the most influential electronic acts to emerge this decade, Orbital return with a new album and tour to promote their own unique brand of beats and bleeps. The brainchild of brothers Phil and Paul Hartnoll, Orbital manage to sound equally as good on a club's PA system or your bedroom stereo. The Loopz site gives a truly exhaustive overview of the adventures of the band to date. And so great is the Web masters devotion to Orbital that the brothers wisely decided to make Loopz the band's official site. There's a complete run-down of Orbital's sonic outings, including all the various soundtracks the band have been involved with, along with a history tracing the brothers' transformation from dodgy punks to uber-electro gods. There are loads of sound-clips, interviews, video, pictures - just about everything you could possibly want." so congratulations to Steve - deserved praise there mate.... Happy Birthday Loopz! - - Richard - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:48:28 +0000 From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" Subject: Re: (orbital) most paid for a CD? At 08:45 26.1.1999 -0500, Patrick McGinn wrote: >Of course, the people who get screwed the most are the English (oh my, that >sounds dirty :).) They pay around 12 quid a CD, and with exchange rates >that's 19 bucks! Correct me if I'm wrong, please. gee, only 19$? that's not bad. a new cd costs an average of $27-30 here on Iceland :P as for most expensive cds, I paid $45 for Orb's Assassin 2xcd ep, $27 for Orb's Little Fluffy Clouds cd single. hmm and I bought Underworld's Dark & Long ep (danish version) here for $33. funny, to pay about the same for orb singles as normal cds cost here. then again, I hardly ever shop locally, because it is usually about 25-50% cheaper for me to shop on the net :P (and that includes 10% tax & 24.5% vat along with p&p) :P so stop bitching ;) Agust "Nemesis1" - aaj@centrum.is - ICQ: 1290264 - http://www.kosmic.org/~nemesis1 Free Your Mind - Remove the Brain :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:02:23 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Aim=E9e_Couture?=" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital @ lollapolooza? >HOW??? ... all too often I hear of people meeting bands after the show = and >stuff but I wanna know how! :) basically it involved a bunch of us standing by the stage and yelling "PAUL!!! PHIL!!!" a lot until they came back out to talk to us.. >badly!!! I don't know what I'd do if I *MET* them.. :) I did meet Mike >Myers (aka Wayne, Austin Powers, etc..) while "exploring" at Skydome between >Third Eye Blind and U2 (Howie B. was spinning, but he sucks.. so we took >off... heh) though... hey you caught u2 at skydome? i really wanted to go to that.. but of cour= se the tickets cost too much and sold out too soon.. but such is life aim=E9e # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:02:40 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) this classification bizniz >>depeche mode is one of my favorite bands, yet I still don't know what >to classify them as. > >depeche mode are one of my favourites too, and i mean to remember from >somewhere that i once heard the term 'industrial techno/new age' about >them, but i never really thought much more of it. when you raise the >question now, i'm equally clueless, but the term i mention still seems a >bit correct with depeche mode having that "industrial" sound. like so >many other depeche fans though, i'm sad to say i'm one of the masses who >think "enjoy the silence" is best and "personal jesus" makes me think of >westerns. I realized after buying the new singles 81-85 collection that I'm definitely a "later" depeche mode fan... I already had violator, but that should be a part of EVERYONE'S collection. World in My Eyes/Personal Jesus/Enjoy the Silence/Policy of Truth ... what more can you ask for?? of course, on the singles 86-98, they have all four of those plus never let me down agian, strangelove, a question of time, and stripped (along with a question of luse and behind the wheel, but I don't care for those much) ... and the second disc has a bunch of good songs too. the 81-85 collection kinda sucks imo. I love people are people and master and servant (and everything counts, but the live version on the singles 86-98 is better), but I think the real early stuff is too cheesy and experimental. that's also where it's hard to categorize them. I mean, would you put just can't get enough in a techno or industrial category? MAYBE techno ... but definitely cheeeeeeeesy techno! I don't know. as for enjoy the silence being the best ... it is. I'd say it's one of the all time best songs to drive to too. I think the personal jesus reminding you (us, really, 'cause I'm guilty too.. heh) of westerns might be partly due to dave's beloved coyboy hat in the video... or evil subliminal messages.. :) jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:13:08 -0500 From: "Jason Mansuy" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital @ lollapolooza? >>HOW??? ... all too often I hear of people meeting bands after the show and >>stuff but I wanna know how! :) > >basically it involved a bunch of us standing by the stage and yelling >"PAUL!!! PHIL!!!" a lot until they came back out to talk to us.. heh... as a former avid autograph hunter (sports though...) I know the feeling. :) >>badly!!! I don't know what I'd do if I *MET* them.. :) I did meet Mike >>Myers (aka Wayne, Austin Powers, etc..) while "exploring" at Skydome >between >>Third Eye Blind and U2 (Howie B. was spinning, but he sucks.. so we took >>off... heh) though... > > >hey you caught u2 at skydome? i really wanted to go to that.. but of course >the tickets cost too much and sold out too soon.. but such is life actually, it was a pretty spontaneous thing. we found good seats online about 6 days before the show so we snatched them and took off. it was quite an experience... their stage setup was typical u2 - way overdone! unfortunately it was less than a week away from the detroit show, so the setlist didn't change much, but it was still fun seeing them twice. jason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:45:59 -0500 From: Morey Gamble Subject: Re: (orbital) trym's last say on techno classification + other questions At 01:49 PM 1/26/99 +0000, you wrote: >there's also a remix of one of his songs as Ultraviolet called 'stacey >pullen remix', anyone care to tell me who this is (if indeed stacey >pullen is a band, that is)? Stacy Pullen is a DJ. Not sure exactly what he spins.. Something techno-ish, I guess. - -Morey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:57:08 -0500 From: Morey Gamble Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: selling out, etc. At 05:43 PM 1/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >I also agree that it is key to be signed with a major label to sell tons of >records (even though, as you hinted, NO techno artist really sells tons - I >guess prodigy's fat of the land would really be the only one that could be >considered tons on the bigger scheme) I dunno, seems like I read that Stardust has sold close to a million and a half copies, and that's just for a single. (although Fat Of the Land is the only other one i know of in that range). In the store I work at (one of them, anyway), we sell more Fatboy Slim and Propellerheads than any other electronic stuff, and a decent bit of orbital, prodigy, and chemicals. Oh yeah, Oakenfold. People love the tranceport cd.. - -Morey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:16:51 +0100 From: Peter Lundholm Subject: Re: (orbital) da say on classification bizniz >>>>actually, I live in detroit (suburbs, actually, but close enough), so >>>>of course I know of/have seen Juan Atkins, Carl Craig, etc... my point is >>>>that somewhere along the line (I think) people got way too specific. >techno >>>>has gone from a term referring to "electronic music" and has been just >>>>about squeezed out because nobody fits into it (those who do are usually >>>>referred to even more specifically as "detroit techno") >> >>But was all electronic music really techno even then? I mean - Depeche >>Mode, Ralph Lundsten, Ultravox - that wasn't called techno at all from what >>I can remember, so it was pretty narrow even then. > > >depeche mode is one of my favorite bands, yet I still don't know what to >classify them as. same thing with bjork, enigma, and enya (could say >ambient I suppose) ... right now I have my cd's into two main groups... >techno and non-techno. all of those are in the non-techno, but you could >really make an argument for depeche mode because of the very strong >electronic influence. That's why I think "Techno" should be used for music you can classify under techno, not use it to label _all_ electronic music as was stated earlier here. Not all music can be classified, bands and acts have different sound, but should that stop us from trying to have a common "language" so we know in general what is talked about? Is that wrong? Otherwise we end up in the discussion where "I think X was better when he made music - now he just makes music" - -"Well, if you like music you should try to go to the music store and look under 'Music'"... off to work... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:15:12 -0500 (EST) From: Aronne J Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: mp3 clip of style? Excerpts from lists: 27-Jan-99 (orbital) Style + Loopz Art.. by "Richard Mellor"@proweb. > I heard 'Style' on Radio 1 today and It sounds really, really good. > Immediately reminds me of Kraftwerk but sounds like no other type of dance > music around at the moment, can't wait till it's released :p YOU GUYS ARE DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!! will someone plleeeeeeeeeeease put an mp3 clip of this up somewhere so all of us poor saps who can't listen to Radio 1 can hear it????????? Someone has to have a tape of it....... Later -Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:45:29 +0000 From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) prod, plastik, stardust At 16:36 26/01/99 -0500, Jason Mansuy wrote: > >as for the "screaming" >... well, I think that came more from the live act than from "selling out" >... 'cause prodigy is all about the show. Well I prefer a band that's all about the music.... I preferred it when it was all "faceless techno bollocks", but maybe that's 'cos I'm getting old. The first taht starting putting me off The Prodigy was all their live antics - they started becoming too much like a rock band (and got even worse with FOTL), which I really don't like. I mean, I remember when Keith was just a (not very good, as I remember) dancer.... >I think it'd be a much better album >if they changed NOTHING except taking the lyrics out. isn't the next thing supposed to be a remix album? I remember that Coldcut are meant to be on it, and there were a couple of other names I heard mentioned taht got me interested. At 23:57 26/01/99 -0500, Morey Gamble wrote: > > I dunno, seems like I read that Stardust has sold close to a million and a >half copies, I still can't understand what anybody sees in that track, it's awful! At 17:02 26/01/99 -0700, Skip Acuff wrote: > >Has anyone heard his track titled Sickness? I just got it on the >Novamute comp CD, and it is a killer. certainly is, in fact that whole comp is (I presume you mean 'Kompilation'), especially the Darren Price tracks (his album's great, with those two on it too), Steve Stoll's 'Circuit Sex' and the Emmanuel Top one. > Way more interesting than the >stuff on Consumed, imo (but to be fair I have only tried to get through >Consumed once; now that I've heard Sickness, I'll give it another go >round). Comments? well the sleevenotes for 'Artifakts' say that 'Sickness' is meant to go with it rather than with 'Consumed', so you might want to give that a try next. 'Hyponkondriak' (one of my faves from 'Artifakts') is meant to be some intermediate stage between 'Sickness' and its b-side 'Pannikattak', and is similar in style to 'Sickness', so you might like that. - - cheers, Jon - ----------------------------- Jon Green zcapn33@ucl.ac.uk "just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning It shows the world you've got substance and depth" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #163 *****************************