From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #226 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Saturday, July 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 226 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:36:03 PDT From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) States I'm cool with that :) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:46:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Nub Subject: (orbital) replies to stuff > though I've followed REM for even longer), told me afterwards that the bass > from Style had actually caused Michael Stipe to interrupt his own > conversation between songs and looked across the festival area to the tent > where Orbital played and heaved his eyebrows as if thinking "wow, that's > loud". that's pretty hysterical. style? really? i didn't realize it was that bass-heavy a song. i guess this was the souped-up dancey version? i really want to hear that. steve, when is that realaudio gonna be up? > freedom? hahah, so you think! hmm, you're probably right, america doesn't > have enough material things. you could change that by campaigning for > materialism - the US could do with a bit of that... HAHAHAHA and again HA! the best thing about america right now is that orbital are touring in it. (how's that for orbital-related?) to all you anti-americans out there, bash on! wheeee! we deserve it! and we could use it! sorry, my posts usually have more substance than this. nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:15:13 -0400 From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: (orbital) a call for profiles (again) well, it's been a while since i plugged this site.. but http://baked.net/orbitalinfo serves as a site filled with profiles of people on this list.. so please, if you want to be on there, or if you ar= e on there and need something updated, let me know. the basic info i need from everybody is: name, email, age, location, homepage, and a brief message.. oh and email = me a pic if you have one that's all for now aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee (redesigned july 14th) http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:48:49 -0500 (CDT) From: schala@rice.edu Subject: (orbital) the bootleg argument Can we give a brother a break here? Recording a show isn't exactly fun and games, and he's offering the fruits of his labor to us -- at a price which might seem high but you have to stop and think about what he had to do to get the recording made. > > that's pretty rough. > > especially posting it to the public. problem is, you made a hasty > > assumption. > > it is minidisc of perfect quality (Sony ES). Recorded with premium > binaural > > microphones. This is an expensive rig. Figure $250 miniumum for the MD recorder, plus another $150 or more for _premium_ binaural mics. As for the disc, well, the Sony ES discs are nice, but I don't think they have "better bits" than the other minidiscs on the market. I use the cheapo memorex ones and haven't had any problems. Digital is digital -- it either works or it doesn't. But that's small cost so it's not a big deal. > > if you don't understand audio jargon, first you shouldn't make these > > comments and second you can ask the person who recorded what it is like. > > problem is now on your end, your the one without a copy, making false > > assumption. Also, if this is really a good recording, he had to stand still as a statue in front of the mixing booth for the duration of the show. If you move your head with binaural mics on, the recording will have that stereo shift in it (= bad). A truly high-quality recording is not fun to make, for that reason and others (concerns about security, equipment getting damaged, input levels, etc.) So he went to all this trouble to make the recording -- then transferred it (digitally, hopefully, for quality) onto disk/CD. That's a lot of work. Then there's the cost of 2 cds, cases, and shipping. Still complaining about the $20? > > So, let's calmly end this email like such. The quality is excellent. I > have > > offered decent mp3's on the web in every email. > > If you don't want to pay $20, then offer a trade. If you don't want to do > > either, then let the topic die. > > Those who are interest can even email me at record@thebutt.com to > negotiate. > > But, please don't criticize me because you don't like the offering. It > > shouldn't be personal. Exactly. Listen to a sample. If you don't like it don't buy it. - -m # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:34:16 +0100 From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) plastikman At 17:03 15/07/99 -0600, Ben wrote: > >i'm thinking about buying the following CDs. input? > >plastikman: musik (heard the CDnow samples - sounds sort of like the >mutant child of orbital2 and SAWII) I'd recommend any of the other three abums - Sheet One, Artifakts, Consumed - - over 'Musik'. And the 'Concept 1 96:VR' CD too. >lfo: advance (nobody ever bothered to release this in the states. is >import price worth paying?) not as good an album as 'Frequencies', but not at all bad. I wouldn't say it's worth more than most other albums though. >leftfield: leftism (heard lots of good things about this one - kind of a >classic of popular techno) well I was disappointed with it - would've rather had ten hard house monsters like 'Song of Life' rather than all the watered-down eclecticism. But that's just me. Most other people seem to like the variety. At 23:29 15/07/99 GMT, Trym Asserson wrote: >Btw, just as I left Scotland I think I saw a 12" by Leftfield called Phat >Planet, is this a new release or have I been dreaming again? it's been around since about the start of this year (at least...) and is apparently the new single, or the b-side to it or something. It's the track from the Guiness ad with the horses in the sea - you must've seen the one when you were still in Scotland. At 01:10 16/07/99 -0400, Tom Priore wrote: > >Ok, How about: >the CD wasn't it developed by Philips (Dutch) and Sony (Japanese)? At 23:19 15/07/99 -0600, life kid wrote: > >Skip Acuff wrote: > >> BTW, does anyone know when Leftfield's next album is due out? > >september 6th. I'll believe it when I see it (I recall hearing September '97 as a release date once...) cheers, Jon - - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:36:50 PDT From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Some good stuff. Hey all, I'm really looking to get some good hard tribal house. You know, the stuff wiht the rattling beats, sort of similar to Latin House. I mean, I heard it ALL THE TIME in clubs, but I haven't really heard of anybody that does straight up tribal trance or house. Does anybody have any suggestions? Orbital does have some of this in their music. For example, Are We Here? has those tribal/jungle beats that I just love so much. Also, I think Polygon Window's "Quoth" is a good example of what I'm looking for. I mean, there has to be someone out there that knows. Thank you all some much! Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:53:29 PDT From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Some good stuff. Oops, I forgot to mention that some congas would be pretty good too :) Hey all, I'm really looking to get some good hard tribal house. You know, the stuff wiht the rattling beats, sort of similar to Latin House. I mean, I heard it ALL THE TIME in clubs, but I haven't really heard of anybody that does straight up tribal trance or house. Does anybody have any suggestions? Orbital does have some of this in their music. For example, Are We Here? has those tribal/jungle beats that I just love so much. Also, I think Polygon Window's "Quoth" is a good example of what I'm looking for. I mean, there has to be someone out there that knows. Thank you all some much! Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:46:38 -0600 From: Chris Subject: Re: (orbital) Some good stuff. get juno reactor's "bible of dreams" for some tribal trance...check out danny tenaglia's "global underground 4: athens" for some deep, sleazy tribal house. > >Oops, I forgot to mention that some congas would be pretty good too :) > > Chris Perkins People in small towns don't know what books are, cdperk@trib.com and they don't know what phones are, so if you say ICQ #: 32689797 phonebook, their heads explode. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:32:28 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Some good stuff. Chris wrote: > > get juno reactor's "bible of dreams" for some tribal trance... I wouldn't exactly call the whole thing tribal trance, but there are some nice tribal trance songs in it. He had some very interesting beats and drum loops from all around in his songs, though. Go get his other albums too, just because it's really good trance. On a completely different note, I was looking through a big list of famous atheists and agnostics: http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/atheistcelebs/ And I was wondering if anybody knows any famous techno artists to add, including if the Orbital brothers are atheists/agnostics. - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Miss DIY Subject: (orbital) Introducing Hypeless.com What we need is a music web site with an independent voice. One where there's no schmoozing... no influence by record labels. A UBL where the band of the week is not "B*Witched." A newsand events oriented site where only those voices with something to say are heard. A news site that is not owned by Sony, or run by Unigram, or attempting at an IPO. Many music sites are owned or run by someone with a direct interest in a product. SonicNet and MTV, WallOfSound and Disney, and now CDnow and Sony Inc. All magazines are influenced by its advertisers. Emailed newsletters contain links and links of ads. And MTV? Well... We need a site where real music really matters. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ Hello, I'm Winslow Leach. And I'd like to introduce Hypeless.com, the site where YOU become an inside source. Where you post your thoughts an opinions under a nom de plume. As a result, you can say anything you'd like. I've been on a number of mailing list for some time (Orbital Digest included, of course), and there are a select few getting this email, because you care, but mostly because your genre or band is not getting the attention and respect it deserves. We'd like to change that. winslow@hypeless.com For a long time, hypeless.com has heard you gripe about what is not getting enough attention. We know you like good stuff. Here's your chance to talk about it. We officially go live with your news at http://www.hypeless.com July 19, 1999. Take 5 minutes this weekend and contribute: http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ So far, as a result of mass emailings to industry insiders and fans like yourself, we have gotten hundreds of submissions. News/reviews/stories dealing with U2, Eric Bachmann, Orbital, Kim Deal, Modest Mouse, Chemical Brothers, Sheila Divine, Cafe Tacuba, 2 Lone Swordsmen, Guided By Voices, Sunny Day Real Estate, Sleater-Kinney, Sonic Youth, the Killingtons, and many more. We'd like to hear what you have to say. (http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/) I'm asking you to become a founding source for a new web site, a site where what you write is shown to the world and industry insiders... anonymously. winslow@hypeless.com This is the way it works: You hear of some hot news, You hear a record advance, You see a show. You have an encounter with the music industry. Then: You write about it. However you'd like. Rant, poem, punctuationless, spell-checkless, without commas. I don't care, write like you feel. Finally: You submit it to Hypeless, either through the web site: http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ or by emailing me. I recommend emailing me. (winslow@hypeless.com) For the skeptics, I'd like to restate the authenticity of the site. We are not out to make a profit, not out to capitalize on my contributors. Hypeless is a site where insiders can speak honestly about the industry, the music and independence. You get information on tour dates? New albums? Events? Share them with Hypeless. Hypeless.com is an Independent site for new music news. And we'd like to highlight the kind of music you work with and love. Hypeless.com is a site centered around a group of music fans who live within the music industry. We are looking to post news and information about bands and albums with a clear intention: to change the industry. You must give me an alias. NO ONE will know who you are. From now on, you contribute as that alias, contribute to a new paradigm in the industry, contribute to the beginning of the revolution. You become a SOURCE. winslow@hypeless.com Whatever you'd like. I trust you. The world will read your news. Your taste. Your true passions. And they won't know it's you. Ready to change things? Ready to influence thousands of people? Let's do it. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ Below is the FAQ for Hypeless.com. It's a quick rundown of exactly what we're up to. Please contact me with any questions. - -- Winslow Leach http://www.hypeless.com - ----- :: T h e H y p e l e s s o n _______________________________________ 0:1 :: [FAQ] What is Hypeless? Hypeless is a Web site where you can post any congruent, relevant story you'd like -- and have the world see it. If you'd like, it can be done under an alias, so you are allowed the freedom to say what you'd like. The site is divided up into four categories: News, (P)reviews, Live and Encounters. Pick a category and write your latest experience, maybe a new CD, a live show, a first-person approach -- we'll print it. And please, feel free to write however you'd like. A rant, a couplet, with or without commas. We've misplaced our style books. Sorry. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:2 :: [FAQ] Who posts to Hypeless? The contributors to Hypeless come from all sections of the industry, from the CEO to the consumer. They are journalists, music directors, devout fans, managers, vice presidents and artists themselves. We think. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:3 :: [FAQ] Why should I post to Hypeless? Because other sites are run by amateurs. Check into it. All music bulletin-board type sites allow anyone to post anything. As a result, an intelligent, pointed contribution is lost. That is all you will find at Hypeless. Want to tout your favorite music, an upcoming tour or rant about the industry? Post to Hypeless. Let's say you had an extraordinary concert experience, or a disappointing one. I've got an idea, post to Hypeless. If you'd like to review and album before unethical print mags and misshapen Music Channels get a hold of it, please post to Hypeless. I bet you know something and you'd like to release the information untainted. Am I right? Hmm... Post to Hypeless. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:4 :: [FAQ] What makes Hypeless different from other music sites? Most music sites kowtow to labels for exclusive interviews. Most music sites tread lightly within the industry. Most music sites force-feed you hyped-up, dry information mechanically designed. We're Hypeless. As a contributor to Hypeless, you assert yourself and your tastes. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:5 :: [FAQ] Can I email my contribution? Certainly. Hypeless stakes its entire being on keeping its sources confidential. winslow@hypeless.com. Thanks for your time. Winslow Leach http://www.hypeless.com Like to help more? Read on: - -- Forward me any email addresses you feel should be a HYPELESS contributor. Vice presidents, your boss, your friends, your enemies. Your addresses will be contacted without any connection to you whatsoever. We send out alphabetized lists from over 700 music sources. You will not be revealed. - -- Float winslow@hypeless.com any considerable information regarding the music business. Press releases, tour dates, release dates, etc. We'll use it in very good taste. Promise. - -- Winslow Leach http://www.hypeless.com - ----- Hypeless is _always_ on: winslow@hypeless.com AOL IM: wiN5LoW ICQ#: 42690349 PAL: winslow@hypeless.com Yahoo! Pager: win5low PowWow: winslow - ----- Don't believe the hype. Believe Hypeless. === - -------------- Winslow Leach, Editor http://www.hypeless.com All music, no hype. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:19:17 PDT From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Atheist list I don't care whether I get flamed for this or not; I'm just going to come out and say it. Sorry that this is off-topic. Brendan mentioned something about seeing a list of Agnostic and Atheist entertainers. I think that the whole celebrity atheist list is a pretty sad thing to look at. It seems a bit tragic in a way to me. Lost in a crowd of sheep. Don't get me wrong; I feel that people can believe whatever they want to; that's their own choice. I do believe in God and Jesus Christ, but in no way am I trying to knock anyone. I do however, dislike people like who are puposely blasphemous. That just shows a complete lack of tolerance. Okay; that's it. If that offended anyone, too bad. It just had to be said. To keep it Orbital related, if they do beleive in God, then all the better. If not, then I will still be a fan because they make beautiful music that has become the soundtrack to my life in many ways. Their talent is definitely God-given. And for those of you who might be wondering, the "Satan" single doesn't offend me either. GOD BLESS :) NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:19:50 PDT From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Atheist list Have to agree. I'd say that the Hartnolls do believe in God, I mean, listen to Are We Here? Also, I think, just by the subjects and ideas that they cover, that they do believe in god. What the fuck kind of question is it to ask? That's stupid, I mean, it's childish. You can say, "Ok dad, settle down" and all that shit. But the point, and I think most would back me up on this, is that like my brother Juno said, that's tragic and shouldn't really be talked about in this way. It's someone's religion, and you're not respecting it. Later Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:30:48 -0700 From: "kelbert" Subject: Re: (orbital) Introducing Hypeless.com - ---------- > From: Miss DIY > To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (orbital) Introducing Hypeless.com > Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 8:02 PM > would that be considered spam? just wondering... because i got the EXACT same email from the moby mailing list as well. has that shown up on any other music mailing lists? oh well. back into obscurity. - -kelly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:50:14 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Atheist list Robert Schultz wrote: > > Have to agree. I'd say that the Hartnolls do believe in God, I mean, listen > to Are We Here? Also, I think, just by the subjects and ideas that they > cover, that they do believe in god. I think "Are We Here?" is asking a question, questioning the existance of ourselves and our creator, which is an Agnostic attitude. Just because Juno Reactor releases "God is God" doesn't mean he's religious either. About the only thing I can be sure of is Gus Gus. > What the fuck kind of question is it to > ask? That's stupid, I mean, it's childish. You can say, "Ok dad, settle > down" and all that shit. But the point, and I think most would back me up on > this, is that like my brother Juno said, that's tragic and shouldn't really > be talked about in this way. It's someone's religion, and you're not > respecting it. Later It was a perfectly valid question. Don't get all angry just because I asked it. What's your religion? Are you going to get all pissy because I asked it? Anyway, again, I don't want another comment of mine to turn into a pointless debate. I've already had one 164-message religious debate today and I don't want to start another one. - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:03:33 -0500 From: Digger Subject: (orbital) Did I Miss Something? Guys... I'm going to start off by saying...I am sort of religious. I do believe that there is a God, a Jesus Christ who died for all our sins, etc. Here's my question: Why does it seem as if since Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper has joined the list everyone jumps all over his posts? I remember when I returned home from Boston last Sat. that's what all the controversy was over. Something he had posted. What's the deal? I find myself very confused! Could someone help me out of this daze. Thanks! Thanks, Digger Digger@Jorsm.Com "And Now I'm Aching For You..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:35:24 +0100 From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) couldn't resist being an aarrssee > From: Brian Willoughby > Subject: (orbital) couldn't resist being an ass, part 33 1/3 > Actually, the US has invented every kind of new music since classical. It's > just that the artists were all underground until the UK found out and made it > popular. Once the "wave" of British bands in the "new" genre make it here, a > ton of crappy US bands show up trying to imitate the UK bands, not knowing > that their neighbors (e.g. in Detroit) were making better music before the UK. Cybertons 'Clear' (one of the first detroit records?) sounded not unlike Kraftwerk so where is the line drawn ? I'm not saying Detroit wasn't important, some of my favourite records come from there...R-Theme, No UFO's...and I could go on, but this idea that you go back and then there was Detroit and then nothing. Some of the very first records I bought were on Metroplex, Nu-Groove, Plus8 etc and there was nothing quite like it coming out at the time but...musical influences do not always travel in a straight line with beginnings and ends unless you choose to see it that way , not everybody does. If you feel these people would be better off understanding music from Detroit do you also accept that another person has the right to feel the same way about your tastes ? A jazz musician could hear part of his work apparently 'cut up' inside some pulsing minimalist perversion of their original heartfelt work - and be disgusted ! Would they be any less right ? As well as being completely ignored by most of the US music industry. I think it suffered for a while later on from being too inward looking. The more interesting time for me was around 89-92 when things became more experimental as a lot more people got involved - but for that same reason theres nothing you can shake a stick at and say "that is the very sound". Nobody else gets credit for creating a whole genre.. I have mixed feelings about Detroit, like love/hate. It's an important part of much bigger picture to me, there is much else good but Detroit's identity became more important and so it isolated itself. And unrelated to your post (a lot of which I thought was right)... ..I read that Orbital and Meat Beat Manifesto are actually "knob rock", not electronica, IDM or Techno etc etc...so that clears that one up then ! I don't like the term professional rave much, makes me think "modern drugs party". Or possibly it's somewhere where I'd have to learn to wave a glowstick with pinpoint accuracy with a number on my back and people voting with points cards..nightmare ! - -- - -- Mark S-D / Penfold # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:47:47 -0500 From: Digger Subject: (orbital) 1 Problem Discovered! On my quest to find out what the "deal" is...I've found: Well, this kid likes to start shit. I mean, I think he does things for the shock value. There's a lot of people on the list that don't take his shit, inlcuding me sometimes, and this leads to extended arguments over some stupid topics. I mean, did you see the post he put up about atheism? Then, he wonders if Orbital are atheists? What a child. OK, so that's my view on the whole thing. It's not that we hate him, in fact, if you did something like that, i'd be in your face too, but it's the fact that he KEEPS doing it. - -Author Witheld Ok...Brendon....This is something that you could read and maybe take something from. :-) Just a thought. Can't we all just get along? - -Dig (the man just tryin' to help out) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:06:04 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) 1 Problem Discovered! Digger wrote: > > On my quest to find out what the "deal" is...I've found: > > Well, this kid likes to start shit. I mean, I think he does things for the > shock value. There's a lot of people on the list that don't take his shit, > inlcuding me sometimes, and this leads to extended arguments over some > stupid topics. I mean, did you see the post he put up about atheism? Then, > he wonders if Orbital are atheists? What a child. OK, so that's my view on > the whole thing. It's not that we hate him, in fact, if you did something > like that, i'd be in your face too, but it's the fact that he KEEPS doing > it. > -Author Witheld Rob Schultz, from the sound of it. :þ > Ok...Brendon....This is something that you could read and maybe take > something from. :-) Just a thought. > > Can't we all just get along? That's what I'm wondering. Can't we all quit starting up old arguments? I've finished with the Moby and genre stuff. Let's move on. Has everybody met me yet or are we going to do this "What the hell is this kid's problem?" bit over and over again? Now, let's talk about religious tolerance. Some people are atheists. Some are agnostic. Some are Daoists. Some are Buddhists. Some are Jewish. The point is that there are a lot of religions and schools of thought over there. I don't expect anybody to get pissed off just because I mention the word "atheists". I am not a child just because I wonder if Orbital are atheists. You're just being closed-minded if you think that. Again, can we please get over this and discuss music? If I knew it would create this much fuss, I would have never posted it. - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:12:59 PDT From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Atheism Well, I didn't mean to suggest that Brendan was disrepecting anyone's religion; I myself wonder if certain people are religious or not as well. And of course I have been curious about Phil and Paul. I don't feel that he was necessarily trying to provoke anyone per se, but I had to react based on my own personal religious beliefs. It just seemed a bit upsetting to see that someone with all of that free time on his or her hands would devote it to building a web site that seems to glorify those people in the entertainment industry who are of an anti- religious stance. Actually, I'm glad that Brendan pointed it out. The web site showed me just how blind the world is regarding spirituality. I guess that would be another thing that the US is known for; freedom of religion, and the freedom to desecrate it. NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:24:32 PDT From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Follow-up Now that I've said that last piece, I will say this, and then drop it. Steve: To settle this newly formed arugument, would you happen to know the brothers' stance on religion (if you don't mind me asking) ? I think we'd all stop any further dissection of this matter if we could get an inside source's answer. NoiseWerker :) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 00:50:59 -0700 From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital) Atheism (lengthy post on religion, sorry) > I don't feel that he was necessarily trying to provoke anyone per se, but > I had to react based on my own personal religious beliefs. It just seemed a > bit upsetting to see that someone with all of that free time on his or her > hands would devote it to building a web site that seems to glorify those > people in the entertainment industry who are of an anti- religious stance. > Actually, I'm glad that Brendan pointed it out. The web site showed me just > how blind the world is regarding spirituality. I guess that would be another > thing that the US is known for; freedom of religion, and the freedom to > desecrate it. Wow, that's a pretty harsh comment. In no way am I trying to insult you or your religion, but I find it pretty hypocritical that you are complaining about these people not respecting your beliefs while you disrespect their beliefs. You believe that there is a God, Brendan doesn't. I believe that there is a divine force that everybody and everything is a part of. How do you know which one of us is right? Just because someone is an Atheist, doesn't mean that they are desecrating your religion. They could say that you, by being a (place name of religiong here), are desecrating their non-religious beliefs. (just so there is no confusion, I am stating my view on religion and am not contradicting your comment in this next part) I myself find organized religion to be a scam. It tells people what to think instead of guiding them so that they can find their own enlightenment. I used to be Catholic, but found to many things that I disagreed with. I now have my own faith and beliefs which I feel will make me a better person. Many others do not agree with me, and I don't care. It is their own decision. They are doing what they want to do, and I am doing what I want to do. My point is, don't feel threatened by someone who does not believe in the same thing that you do. sorry about this lengthey post, but I just thought that this was a ridiculous thread of e-mails and I am hoping to prevent similar threads from occuring in the future. morpheus PS- it is not Daoism, but Taoism. Another thing that the US is famous for is changing the spelling of things to make it easier for them to pronounce. Brasil, not Brazil, etc. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 04:57:41 PDT From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) The list Ok, I joined this list about 4 months ago. I didn't know what it was all about. All I know is that people were VERY courteous. I mean, everyone was saying "please, thanks, cheers. you're so kind, etc" Now, it's more like "fuck you, you're ignorant, close-minded, etc" What the hell has happened? I mean, what sparked this all? Before, everyone was very cautious about what they post, and always always noted that if they were posting an opinionated statement, and they were sorry if it offended anyone. Now, on this list, there's the same old people that post regularly, and are involved in these skirmishes, and then there is the underground of people that reply privately, and are so very nice! These people are the ones that keep this list afloat. You know who I'm talked about if you are someone I talk to privately. Ok, so, all I can say is that the dignity of this list has really declined in the last month or so, and it really puts a damper on things, that's another thing that Americans are known for: ignorance. Yep, I said it, and ALL you Europeans could back me up on that, intelligent Americans would too, but most would be like "huh?" Later Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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