From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #244 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 244 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:57:01 -0400 From: Jim Laser Subject: (orbital) re: autechre ep7 hidden track I just got back from an extended vacation and wondered what the status was of someone making an mp3 of this hidden track. It's gotta be done by now, I'd think. Jim www.net-link.net/~x91laser # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:00:46 -0500 From: "timmins" Subject: (orbital) ORBITAL CHICAGO I do know who these people are... but these are not email addresses that I sold the disc to. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151622012 (Today??) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=148377577 (Closed) I guarantee you will receive from me, I don't know who these people are. Remember, $20 compared to $50? Hah. timmins "often imitated, never duplicated" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:21:57 +0300 From: chump@netvision.net.il Subject: (orbital) Orbital - Ibiza Hey all.. well a little story .. a 4-5 years ago i ditched a class at school , and went to my bank to make a deposit. i took a Walkman from a friend and started walking , on the walkman was the Brown album. that was the first time i ever heard about Orbital . at the same day i bought the cd , and started since then to collect all there cd's & singles. i joind the irc channel #orbital and dreamed on seeing them live. there isn't any other band in the world that i like/love like orbital. on the summer of 97 there was a festival at phoniex , orbital played there , i was suppose to fly over but i had some problems with the army (i was supposed to be drafted 4 days after the gig) , and they didn't let me fly. on march 99 (after i kissed the army goodbye :) ) i was supposed to see them live and i wanted to follow all there 5 first gigs in the uk. at the same month i got promoted at my work and coulden't fly. the reson im telling u all that , is cuse tommmorow night im in Ibiza, and i got V.I.P ticketes to the mtv festival , and im gonna see them LIVE !!!!! im sure that most ppl dosen't care about my story , but i feel gr8 , and i wanted to share the story with all u ppl who dreams about seeing them live ! i promise i'll get u all some live pictures from the show ! l8r "We waste, we destroy, and we cling like savages to our superstitions. We give power to leaders of state and church as prejudiced and small-minded as ourselves, who squander our resources on instruments of destruction, while millions continue to suffer and go hungry,condemned forever...." Orbital - Forever # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:49:45 GMT From: "Andy Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Ear bitten Ed B wrote; > Just a few points: > > 1) Rap may have influenced techno, but it works both ways, and techno has > certainly influenced modern rap. Ah, but we were talking about the *birth* of techno...and it isn't just an influence, I believe hip-hop was one of the parents. These days everything seems to be a part of everything else as genre boundaries are blurred...I bet Mr Sineswiper won't agree with that! > 2) Rap may have had its genesis before techno, but that does not necessarily > mean there would be no techno without rap. I think it does. What goes before influences what follows. The hip-hop of the early 80s gave birth *directly* to electro by its cross-fertilisation with European electronics (Kraftwerk, Human League, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode were the artists quoted by those around at the birth of techno). From the electro scene came Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? > 3) Do we really give a shit anyway? Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of how it came to be... > 4) Does this have any relevance on an Orbital list? What has rap got to do > with the price of fish? As much as discussions on MP3, MTV, commercial rap...and countless other subjects discussed herein over the last few weeks/months. Read, don't read...it's your call. > 5) Wibble wibble ptang! ekki! Oh, you speak Gibberish! What part of Gibberia are you from? I'm from the south...just outside of Baloni, in the Klaptrapp Valley. Brendan B wrote; > Ummm...without a lot of genres, there wouldn't be techno. There's a mix of > rock, rap, hiphop, metal, jazz, and a bunch of others in techno. Why are we > just focusing on Kraftwerk as the pioneers of techno? Must we forget the > progressive British rock scene in the 70's? Some of the innovators of new age > sonics like Gong, Alan Parsons Project, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, Pink Floyd, > among others. There is that mix *now*, true...but not in 1986 when the whole thing started. It was Kraftwerkian, pure and simple. You just have to listen. And as for the British prog rock scene in the 70s...no, I don't think they had any influence on the early days...not till the Megadog/Planet Dog stuff started up in the early 90s...and old hippies like Steve Hillage got in on the act. I think you afford some of those 70s artists a bigger role than most would do. They were the sort of artists that punk came out and challenged. Most of the above were KIAs in Style War 3 (Punks vs rock dinosaurs) and considered an evolutionary blind alley...except maybe Eno who has never been less than cool, regardless of what he has done... I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of musicologists seem to tell the same tale. Andy Jackson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:11:34 -0400 From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) Orbital at Ibiza99! Have a great time! I've heard that the island Ibiza {off Spain}is the funnest place IN Europe. Dance ALL Night! Sleep on the beach ALL DAY. DANCE ALL Night! {where time becomes a loop!} I have a similar plight in that about the time [back in 96] I remembered that Orbita was BACK and in the US touring, I missed them at Masquerade in Atlanta. The following summer was Lollapalooza and rumors were flying that Orbital was tha backup for Prodigy who were the official headliners for that summer fest. I couldn't get any confirmation that the were headlining or would even be at the Atlanta show [as it was about the time for Prodigy to pick up the tour] so I spent the weeknd working at school and missed the brothers HEADLINING after Korn. Apparently! to add insult to injury, all of the Korn-heads and a good chunk of the 'seated' fans left after Korn and everyone was invited from the lawn down front to jump with the boys. Even worse! teh yhung out before and after their set talking to evryone who was interested and signing autographs. AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!!!! By the time Lolla came around to Nashville Prodigy WAS back on tour and the big O had flown the coop! I like Prodigy ok but was so bummed that I couldn't make myself go because I knew I would be standing around $30 poorer and wishing they were P&P BY GOD I SAW THEM THIS YEAR! TWICE! and even if the sets were the same. I could have followed them to every show! I'll be planning my life around them because they feed my life & my soul! It's a SOUND investment ;)! Take your minidisc player or your video cam too! We'll be waiting to trade! - -- ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab ph.423.544.9693 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:39:46 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Andy Jackson wrote: > > Ah, but we were talking about the *birth* of techno...and it isn't > just an influence, I believe hip-hop was one of the parents. These > days everything seems to be a part of everything else as genre > boundaries are blurred...I bet Mr Sineswiper won't agree with that! Hey now. I know more than anybody that techno music are definately mixing with others (or visa-versa). Do we really know who started techno anyway? Like I said, there were probably a LOT of parents. > I think it does. What goes before influences what follows. The > hip-hop of the early 80s gave birth *directly* to electro by its > cross-fertilisation with European electronics (Kraftwerk, Human > League, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode were the artists quoted by > those around at the birth of techno). From the electro scene came > Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. > Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. > Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* > to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of > how it came to be... Nor should we be making assumptions on it either. > There is that mix *now*, true...but not in 1986 when the whole thing > started. It was Kraftwerkian, pure and simple. You just have to > listen. Where do you get this date? Again, that's not old enough. You aren't going far back enough. How about a little known British progressive rock group called Camel? Back in the 70's? Yeah, they did a bunch of songs that nowadays would be techno-rock. > And as for the British prog rock scene in the 70s...no, I don't think > they had any influence on the early days...not till the > Megadog/Planet Dog stuff started up in the early 90s...and old > hippies like Steve Hillage got in on the act. I think you afford some > of those 70s artists a bigger role than most would do. They were the > sort of artists that punk came out and challenged. Most of the above > were KIAs in Style War 3 (Punks vs rock dinosaurs) and considered an > evolutionary blind alley...except maybe Eno who has never been less > than cool, regardless of what he has done... Ummmm...you obviously know nothing of the 70's British progressive rock scene. Yes, there were the pro-punk groups like The Police who later realized that they already had a new and different sound, but don't automatically group all 70's BPR groups in the pro/anti-punk catagory. They were NOT in a evolutionary blind alley! They were staring evolution in the face. Have you even heard Gong's You? That's 70's Steve Hillage, not 90's. To quote Stephen Budd: "Gong first manifested to me at London, Hammersmith Palais in 1974, and I realized then that I had been born on the wrong planet and they had arrived to take me home." If you listen to it, you couldn't say that it was made back then without double-checking the cover. It's definately some Acid Ambient stuff. I think you should listen to some of the 70's BPR artists before you automatically diss them. > I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of > musicologists seem to tell the same tale. What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:52:29 -0500 From: "Matthew Kiley" Subject: (orbital) Hmm Ok, I have no clue on how this mailing list works. What is the address of this mailing list? I guess if you get this post then i've got the right one. Kraftwerk rules....gotta love Electric Cafe! MDK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:04:20 -0700 From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a > 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. No, kraftwerk is just an electronic group that laid the groundwork for what would become known as techno. Kraftwerk we'rent even taken seriously by their own record label as they were scene as sort of a kitschy funny band. Techno is the term given to the music that the kids in Detroit's VERY early 80s scene gave to the music that was mixed and played at their parties. Very many things were played at their parties including new wave, 70s electronic music, old funk, etc, etc. but techno is the term they gave their own musical creation. A very very very good book I'd recommend to EVERYONE on this list is one that just came out called "Techno Rebels:" and is written by URB magazine stalwart/detroit native Dan Sicko. Im reading this right now and its a fuckin excellent telling of the history...ive even learned things I didnt know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:19:16 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Matthew Ford wrote: > > No, kraftwerk is just an electronic group that laid the groundwork for what would > become known as techno. Kraftwerk we'rent even taken seriously by their own record > label as they were scene as sort of a kitschy funny band. Techno is the term given > to the music that the kids in Detroit's VERY early 80s scene gave to the music that > was mixed and played at their parties. It doesn't matter what age it was, what instruments were used, what was and wasn't mixed. If it sounds like techno, it IS techno. Do I have to get into this argument again? Even if it wasn't called techno then, it's still techno. > Very many things were played at their parties including new wave, 70s electronic > music, old funk, etc, etc. but techno is the term they gave their own musical > creation. What is new wave anyway? And what is 70's electronic music? Isn't that techno? (You know..."electronica".) > A very very very good book I'd recommend to EVERYONE on this list is one that just > came out called "Techno Rebels:" and is written by URB magazine stalwart/detroit > native Dan Sicko. Im reading this right now and its a fuckin excellent telling of > the history...ive even learned things I didnt know. Ahhh...seeing that you are an "expert" in techno, you should know everything about it, right? - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:02:51 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:39:46 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: # Hey now. I know more than anybody that techno music are definately mixing # with others (or visa-versa). Do we really know who started techno anyway? # Like I said, there were probably a LOT of parents. This was my point. No genre of music owes its existence to another. Except maybe stuff like Puff Daddy. I fail to see how talking fast in an incongruous dialect over somebody else's music sells. But that's chart music and I digress. # > cross-fertilisation with European electronics (Kraftwerk, Human # > League, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode were the artists quoted by # > those around at the birth of techno). Sorry, could you enlighten us. When was techno born exactly? If we're going to get into the kind of 'Techno was born at this precise time and didn't exist in any form before' discussion, I would like the exact date, place and time of birth. A birth certificate would be nice. # From the electro scene came # > Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. # > Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? # Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a # 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. Nope, I haven't a clue who this chap is/was either. And don't forget Tangerine dream. Most (~90%) of what they did can only be described as ambient. If we're talking about classification, then surely ambient is a subclass of techno? Goddammit, they made the MOOG popular. How many non-techno bands use/have used MOOGS? how many rappers/hip-hoppers? # # > Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* # > to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of # > how it came to be... # Hmm. Somebody here has blatantly failed to notice what we Brits call a tongue-in-cheek comment. Furthermore, I don't agree. If you enjoy a piece of music, knowledge of its genesis is not necessary for that enjoyment. # Nor should we be making assumptions on it either. Well said. # > There is that mix *now*, true...but not in 1986 when the whole thing # > started. It was Kraftwerkian, pure and simple. You just have to # > listen. # # Where do you get this date? Again, that's not old enough. You aren't going far # back enough. How about a little known British progressive rock group called # Camel? Back in the 70's? Yeah, they did a bunch of songs that nowadays would # be techno-rock. How about the Ozric Tentacles. Ok, they're prog-rockers, but I hear a lot of techno that owes them credit. # > And as for the British prog rock scene in the 70s...no, I don't think # > they had any influence on the early days...not till the # > Megadog/Planet Dog stuff started up in the early 90s...and old # > hippies like Steve Hillage got in on the act. I think you afford some # > of those 70s artists a bigger role than most would do. They were the # > sort of artists that punk came out and challenged. Most of the above # > were KIAs in Style War 3 (Punks vs rock dinosaurs) and considered an # > evolutionary blind alley...except maybe Eno who has never been less # > than cool, regardless of what he has done... # As I've always said, the best techno is made by giving a hippy a synth. C'mon, Hillage is the God of intelligent techno. Have you heard System 7's 'Power of Seven'? Try dancing to that! I can't, 'cos the beat's just to way out there. How much syncopated rap do you come across? # # I think you should listen to some of the 70's BPR artists before you # automatically diss them. # Yes, very well said. # > I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of # > musicologists seem to tell the same tale. # What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! Is musicology something like scientology? I'm sure all them scientologists will tell you the same tale too... I think we should all stop trying to categorise music. As far as I can see there should only be two categories - music I like and music I don't like. To actually try to categorise music and attribute the creation of categories to other categories is nothing more than intellectual masturbation... laters all, and sorry for off-topic bandwidth wastage... -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:17:21 -0700 From: jon Subject: (orbital) orbital (and related) stuff for sale Hi! I have the following items for sale on Ebay, please email me with any questions--thanks for looking! 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Campbell" Subject: (orbital) !!!!Hippys and synths!!!! BS wrote? # > Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* # > to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of # > how it came to be... # Ed B wrote: >Hmm. Somebody here has blatantly failed to notice what we Brits call a >tongue-in-cheek comment. Furthermore, I don't agree. If you enjoy a piece >of music, knowledge of its genesis is not necessary for that enjoyment. HEAR HEAR! I got it, but some just can't refuse the bait I've never wanted to know too much about anything or anyone. ?Have you ever really like dsome movie or some music only to find out later that the guy who made it is a real jerk? !?What about Ted Nugent?! {we thought he rocked until we found out he the biggest neo-nazi, gun-totin', animal-killin' biggot on the planet! [The Great White Buffalo, HAH!] I didn't know shit about Orbital and loved Green & Brown before I started asking a few questions... !Who ARE these fuking guys!? !What created this universe!? Back in da day, before Techno was hatched from the demon spawn of YES and Klaus Nomi!, all my buds thought that the big O was just rippin' off the Butthole Surfers! You kids go to your room! !Go listen to Locust Abortin Technician and stick that in a category! ?Is Skinny Puppy techNO or techYES? What about MINISTRY? They started off as a fag-bar acid house too. TWISTED being huge! 5 years later they decide that they wanna hang out with the same BSurfers and then decide that they ARE Motorhead with synths! speakin' of which Ed B spaks the truth: >As I've always said, the best techno is made by giving a hippy a synth. > C'mon, Hillage is the God of intelligent techno. Ed has a point about Hippys and synths. Nobody has EVEN said the Eno word !!! Talk about a hippy with a synth He's got that Bowie-ziggy thing plus a beret! Gad! that WAS the 70's! I thought Tangerine Dream was the great grand-pappy of Orbital. This IS my main reference to older[30+] newbies who ask me "What in the fuk are you crankin' out of house?". "It's like Tangerine Dream with a beat!" {kids, this is ONLY an example of generalizations we make to communicate with our own species} Mr. Ed! ?Do you have any Hillage or Camel mp3s? I'd like to visit those days again. We need an mp3 reference library? Brendan can organize it! ;) Anybody want the job? Ed B ends with: > laters all, and sorry for off-topic bandwidth wastage... ?how is this OFF topic; I'm just now feelin' frisky! Wanna go off topic, professor? Give us a little diatribe on electron orbitals. Ever since G & B and that "Squiggle" {i HATE that squiggle-name for what's really the 'atomic orbitals'} orbital had the 'electron' associatin for me. I can remember finding out that P&P got the name from their freeway and exploded laughing. :o {just when you really get into something, someone stops by and rescues you with humor!} SHUDDU!P WITH YER SHUTTIN' UP! -Yosemite Sam- Peace! Old dog out! ShannON+ON+ON # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:51:53 +0100 From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly At 10:39 24/08/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >> I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of >> musicologists seem to tell the same tale. > >What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! aren't they the people that testify in court in plagiarism cases? Saying "this is a ripoff af that", etc. You can't assume that because you don't know the meaning of a word that it's made-up! If we wanna start picking on words, let's have a(nother) go at "electronica", shall we. Jon - - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:01:34 +0100 From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly At 17:02 24/08/99 +0100, Ed Blackshaw wrote: >Sorry, could you enlighten us. When was techno born exactly? If we're going >to get into the kind of 'Techno was born at this precise time and didn't exist >in any form before' discussion, I would like the exact date, place and time of >birth. A birth certificate would be nice. there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the first use of "techno" to describe the music. You could say techno was born then, any music derived from the music they were describing as techno is techno (or at least "techno-related"), and taht any music before weasn't techno, but was a precursor to techno. At least that's how I see it. ># From the electro scene came ># > Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. ># > Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? ># Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a ># 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. > >Nope, I haven't a clue who this chap is/was either. Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few others helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than that. As you've not heard of Atkins, have you heard "Strings of Life"? >How much syncopated rap do you come across? Can someone give me a definition of 'syncopated'? It sounds like the count of word I ought to be able to use. Jon - - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:07:27 -0500 From: Don Thompson Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Hey, What the hell is this statement below....this has to be the worst comment I've seen on the list yet. Now Brenden, I know I met you at the show and all but FUCK...this is not what I want to see on this list. I don't see how his statement even hinted at any kind of self proclamation. It was just a simple statement about a book he found. Adding the comment that you did really just makes you look stupid more than anyone else. So, please, next time before you try to cut someone down......just take a minute to think if it is really worth it, and if it is really neccessary at all.....thanks.......Don Thompson >> A very very very good book I'd recommend to EVERYONE on this list is one that just >> came out called "Techno Rebels:" and is written by URB magazine stalwart/detroit >> native Dan Sicko. Im reading this right now and its a fuckin excellent telling of >> the history...ive even learned things I didnt know. > >Ahhh...seeing that you are an "expert" in techno, you should know everything about it, right? - -- Don Thompson, Don78@prodigy.net on 08/24/1999 at 3:03:22 PM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:29:45 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Jon Green wrote: > > At 10:39 24/08/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > >> I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of > >> musicologists seem to tell the same tale. > > > >What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! > > aren't they the people that testify in court in plagiarism cases? Saying > "this is a ripoff af that", etc. You can't assume that because you don't > know the meaning of a word that it's made-up! If we wanna start picking on > words, let's have a(nother) go at "electronica", shall we. Ummm...musicologist is Spanish and Italian for "musician". Other than that, it's not a word. Electronica is, in modern day usage, a synonym for techno. "Techno" wasn't used the way is it now (as a synonym for electronica). It used to be a description of a sub-genre. (I believe it described electronic dance music, like dance, hardcore, gabber, etc.) However, "techno" became popular as a general description of electronic music. Electronica has always been a description for electronic music. > there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including > but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the > first use of "techno" to describe the music. You could say techno was born > then, any music derived from the music they were describing as techno is > techno (or at least "techno-related"), and taht any music before weasn't > techno, but was a precursor to techno. At least that's how I see it. > > Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and > Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few others > helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than > that. Ummm...Detroit is not the birthplace of techno. Detroit is the birthplace of "Detroit techno". Britian and Germany invented techno. You seem to be stuck on one section of techno. > Can someone give me a definition of 'syncopated'? It sounds like the count > of word I ought to be able to use. Syncopate \Syn"co*pate\, To commence, as a tone, on an unaccented part of a measure, and continue it into the following accented part, so that the accent is driven back upon the weak part and the rhythm drags. Layman's terms: to trip up the beat. Most bigbeat music is syncopated on the third measure. - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: and around we go!!!!!!!!!! Excerpts from lists: 24-Aug-99 Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, t.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft >> there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including >> but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the >> first use of "techno" to describe the music. You could say techno was born >> then, any music derived from the music they were describing as techno is >> techno (or at least "techno-related"), and taht any music before weasn't >> techno, but was a precursor to techno. At least that's how I see it. >> >> Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and >> Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few >> others >> helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than >> that. > > Ummm...Detroit is not the birthplace of techno. Detroit is the birthplace > of > "Detroit techno". Britian and Germany invented techno. You seem to be > stuck > on one section of techno. I get the impression that you don't even read 75% of the posts and just reply to a sentence or 2 that you think are wrong. and why are we still stuck on this thread? It seems like I've heard the same arugments multiple times. We haven't gained any ground here... aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:11:45 -0400 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, three times a charm Ed Blackshaw wrote: > > This was my point. No genre of music owes its existence to another. Well, I wouldn't exactly say that, either. Techno is a VERY diverse genre, at least as diverse as rock. Some of the less diverse genres would pull from less sources. > And don't forget Tangerine dream. Most (~90%) of what they did can only be > described as ambient. If we're talking about classification, then surely > ambient is a subclass of techno? Goddammit, they made the MOOG popular. How > many non-techno bands use/have used MOOGS? how many rappers/hip-hoppers? I mentioned them, remember? > Hmm. Somebody here has blatantly failed to notice what we Brits call a > tongue-in-cheek comment. Furthermore, I don't agree. If you enjoy a piece of > music, knowledge of its genesis is not necessary for that enjoyment. Tongue-in-cheek comments and sarcasm (what we call it in the States) is often hard to reconize on Internet conversations. > How about the Ozric Tentacles. Ok, they're prog-rockers, but I hear a lot of > techno that owes them credit. Actually, OT started out in the mid to late 80's. However, they sound like a 70's BPR band. With them in the 90's, they've definately taken it to new heights. I don't know the inspiration for every artist, but I can only think of Eat Static (OT's former techno wizards) who "owes" them anything. > As I've always said, the best techno is made by giving a hippy a synth. C'mon, > Hillage is the God of intelligent techno. Have you heard System 7's 'Power of > Seven'? Try dancing to that! I can't, 'cos the beat's just to way out there. > How much syncopated rap do you come across? Depends on "how syncopated?". Anything that is not "four-on-the-floor" is pretty much syncopated. On a side note, I still need to check out System 7. > Is musicology something like scientology? I'm sure all them scientologists > will tell you the same tale too... Ugh! Please don't mention that fucked up "religion"! If "musicology" is to music as "scientology" is to science, then I could give a rat's ass about "musicologists". If somebody is referring to an expert on music, perhaps "music professor" is a better choice of words. > I think we should all stop trying to categorise music. As far as I can see > there should only be two categories - music I like and music I don't like. To > actually try to categorise music and attribute the creation of categories to > other categories is nothing more than intellectual masturbation... There are too many people who don't think about why or how music is good or bad...and it really irritates me. What's worse is that there's musicians that don't think, either. If something is wrong with a song, they don't know why, and as a result, don't know how to fix it. Imagine disliking a car and not knowing why. It could be the color, the handling, the interior, the shape, the sound system, but for some stupid reason, you don't know which. Catagories are just another branch of music analyzing. It's a way of generalizing music into well-defined genres. For example, I don't like country. There might be exceptions (like every rule), but in general, I don't like country. Why? Because I don't like the twang, boring singing, and stale instrument set. (At least rock uses varying types of guitars, keyboards, percussion, etc.) Also, I'm not a big fan of blues, but this doesn't mean I don't like some types of rock. The whole purpose is so that somebody doesn't catch wind of some euro and downplay the entire electronica genre. Maybe that person likes bigbeat or drum&bass or trance or ambient, but not euro or house. Also, I'd like to refer a techno-newbie to some genres of music based on his/her current musical tastes. For example, if somebody is a big jazz fan, I might turn him towards some Squarepusher or U-Ziq or some of the other jazzy drum&bass groups. Yes, categorization can be stereotypical by nature, but it can be helpful in referring to a group of music. Yes, you should know where your music came from and what catagory its in. Maybe not to enjoy it, but it helps when you're having a musical conversation. (Besides, you guys blasted me for confusing breakbeat and bigbeat a month ago, so you have no right to talk.) > laters all, and sorry for off-topic bandwidth wastage... It's not off-topic. If we talked about nothing but Orbital, it would get pretty boring around here. - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #244 *****************************