From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #270 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 270 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:13:18 PST From: "kulsoom a" Subject: (orbital) anyone in Atlanta? Hi all I want to know if anyone is in Atlanta and has a minidisc recorder. I wanna borrow it for tonight and will pay for the rental. thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:12:39 +0000 From: GlaucoBacchi Subject: (orbital) clubbing (off topic) is there a mailing list or newsgroup for people to swap comments on niteclubs in the u.k.?? - -- Glauco Bacchi (GlaucoBacchi@bigfoot.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:36:03 -0000 From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) No :) >Hey Steve, do you know if the bros. have any video footage from the D.S. >Buliding Contractors period (live performances, goofing around in the >studio, etc.) ? NO - none at all basically Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk (new site - days away) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:43:20 -0000 From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Pure luck - WARP nights here i come Anyone going to the Thursday (Plaid, Plone, Mark Bell) and Friday (Autechre, Boards of Canada, AFX) WARP nights?????? I was lucky enough to find some tickets this week...very lucky indeed :))))) Let me know...webmaster@loopz.co.uk Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:17:21 GMT From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Well, after months of talking shit on all of you guys, I have finally made the conversion. So, let me say it for all of you loud and clear : I LIKE AUTECHRE NOW !!!!!!!!! Yes, it's true. I never knew why you guys liked them so much. I always thought that they were really annoying drum and bass mixed in with some noise (see : "Photek"). And although all of their songs aren't perfect, I must say that after checking out Marc's FTP and listening to AMBER, I was quite impressed ! I really loved VLETMX21 as well; the melody was really heartfelt; it was so dreamy and etheral. And after having a really shitty day today, it was the perfect track that I needed to cheer myself up (thanks Rob !!!! :-) . I also couldn't get enough of NINE and SLIP. I LOVE THOSE MOOGS !!!!!! It reminded me a bit of Aphex Twin and "Selected Ambient Works Volume 2". Now, I know what you're all saying : "He hasn't heard it all yet; he will drop out as soon as he checks out everything else." Maybe. But I like what I hear so far. So let me say right now that I am VERY SORRY for being such a dick for so long. And yes, I would like to hear Autechre inside a cathedral very much. Even though Ae will never be a replacement for religion, I think that it makes a great compliment for it. NoiseWerker (leaving on Nov. 17) - "For God So Loved The World He ICQ # 42651237 Created The Roland TB-303" Bless You All. P.S. Don't be offended by that Photek comment. I love DNB VERY much ! :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:44:32 -0500 From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Yes, thanks for the plug for my ftp, I must say that it's getting raped even as I type. I definitely recommend Incunabula for you, my friend. Especially every single song on there. Each one I hear becomes my new favourite Autechre track. I especially like Eggshell and Windwind and Kalpol Intro and everything dammit! Wow, that's a cool album. -Marc Sawaya > I must say that after checking out Marc's FTP and listening to AMBER, I was > quite impressed ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:34:21 -0500 From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Hey, I was wondering where I could get ahold of full versions of these eps (mp3 format), like if anyone has an ftp site set up or knows of one. You can reply privately. Thanks! - -Marc Sawaya PS- Rob, I know you offered already, but you give me so much cool stuff anyway. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:01:19 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Noisewerker wrote: > Well, after months of talking shit on all of you guys, I have finally made > the conversion. So, let me say it for all of you loud and clear : > > I LIKE AUTECHRE NOW !!!!!!!!! > HELP! IT'S THE INEVITABLE RETURN OF THE AE THREAD! >:-) Guys... so finally the last person to agree that ae rocks... Great! Can we quit ae now once and for all? I mean - i like them, too, but did i subscribe to the Orbital list or what? I don't mind off-topic but i grew to hate the ae thread for popping back up every month or so... I've posted quite some mails i'd REALLY have expected some reaction to, about dozens of orbital related tidbits, gimmicks and experiences... hardly ANYONE replied... But once someone mentions ae, lotsa replies there... That makes me quite a bit disappointed as some of these things really meant something to me and i wouldn't have posted it unless i wanted to know about other people's opinions on that... I post scarcely, only if i have something important to tell usually, so i thought ppl would honor that by REPLYING... Seems i was wrong.. Depressed, DeeKay P.S.: yeah, Marc, thanks for the site! 8) I'm just having a ball with the PvD dir! ;-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:25:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) I'm bored of these autechre posts. Let's have a flame war instead. Brendan... -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:11:21 -0800 From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Damn Guys!... 8) >> I had NO clue just HOW much better headphones sound... I just had Headphones are the best.. better yet, headphones & a sub tuned really low. 30-Mhz so you still *feel* the bass... you could go a bit higher but you would have to use a lowpass filter w/ your headphones and that sucks. I think a pair of Sennheiser HD 600s are well worth the money... a dedicated headphone amp is good too if you can afford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:37:12 EST From: "Ender Wright" Subject: Re: (orbital) Okay, So I Was Wrong :-) (Let The Flames Begin) Yeah I know everyone's tired of it, but still... I bought a AE single the other day, I like it. Just thought I'd share, back to Orbital... - -Ender "teenage angst has paid off well" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:39:21 -0500 From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs > Hey, I was wondering where I could get ahold of full versions of these > eps (mp3 format), like if anyone has an ftp site set up or knows of > one. You can reply privately. Thanks! Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it will likely come with licensing explaining how it may and may not be used) or explicitly places it in the public domain. Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. They do not, I'm sure, enjoy blatant piracy of readily available and recently released albums. Most Orbital fans feel the same way. I know several ops in undernet's Orbital won't allow Orbital MP3 trading in the channel. Some will even kick or ban you if you're a dick about it. Anyways. I'm not trying to get you to shut the server down or delete your MP3s. I'm just saying it's disrespectful to ask for Orbital MP3s on an Orbital fan list. Support the artists you enjoy. Support 'em with your cash, too. Lord, I'm not trying to start an argument on MP3s. I really don't want to hear all the excuses. I have 1.6 gigs of MP3s too (although 80% of my stuff was released for free at the label's web site, with the rest being either extremely hard to find or stuff I ripped from my own CDs.) I realize there are 100s of ways to justify owning MP3s to yourself. Still, you should really really really TRY to buy the stuff before you ask a friend for a copy. And I don't mean just go down to fucking Sam Goody and say "well, if they don't have it, no one does." Sam Goody sucks. All mall music stores suck. Go to a big one like Virgin or HMV, or preferably, find something local that specializes in our music. Try the Motion Shop Finder (http://motion.state51.co.uk/shopfinder/) for something decent near you. If you live near a college, you shouldn't have a hard time finding at least two great stores. Also, check out http://www.othermusic.com, http://www.bentcrayon.com, or http://www.forcedexposure.com. While some of them don't stock Orbital, they're great all-around electronic music stores. And if you do find the CD after you've got the MP3s, pick it up. Mad love :))) Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:47:52 -0600 From: "J Van" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs right on. MP3s are the perfect trading media of choice for those who don't use a real trading format like DAT, CD-R, or MD. Just get a high speed connection, find a site and and you're all set to leech away >Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted >material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, >unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it will >likely come with licensing explaining how it may and may not be used) or >explicitly places it in the public domain. > >Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital >MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:53:16 -0800 From: "angel" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs Uh Who is this guy and who asked for his opinion? > >Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted > >material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, > >unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it will > >likely come with licensing explaining how it may and may not be used) or > >explicitly places it in the public domain. > > > >Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital > >MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:15:37 -0800 From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs He must work for the record industry. I do agree though.. you shouldn't be pirating easily obtainable tracks.. it takes money directly out of P&Ps pockets. You want them to afford the biggest and baddest machines don't you? It is very cool that P&P support trading of bootlegs and hard to find material. I know I can't afford $60USD for the Omen remixes. Ian >Uh Who is this guy and who asked for his opinion? >>Just so everyone knows: Making/distributing/playing MP3s of copyrighted >>material is quite illegal. There is never a situation where it is legal, >>unless the copyright holder either releases the MP3 (in which case it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:40:45 -0500 From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs > Uh Who is this guy and who asked for his opinion? Name's Pat McGinn (aka Xaos), and I'm an op in Undernet's #orbital... I've been on this list for about 1.5 years now. I don't work for the record industry, but it's simply not a bright idea to ask people in a public forum to help you break the law. If you want the MP3s, either find them yourself or ask friends. I mean, for all we know, an RIAA representative is subbed to the list. BTW - Next time, please either reply in private or to the list, not both. I don't need two copies of your email. Thanks, Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:46:54 -0800 From: "angel" Subject: Re: (orbital) Style and Nothing Left EPs > Name's Pat McGinn (aka Xaos), and I'm an op in Undernet's #orbital... I've > been on this list for about 1.5 years now. Well undernet part explains everything. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:30:25 GMT From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) Business Abbreviations For a long time, I've seen little extensions on the end of record company names on the back of my favorite CD's : (ex: London Records "Ltd."; "Inc." ; etc.) I know where most of these are from, but can someone tell me what the follwing extensions actually mean ? : "GmBh" (Germany) "Pty." (Australia ?) "Pte." (Asia ?) "NV" (Belgium ?) "BV" (Netherlands ?) "KK" (Japan) "S.A." (France ?) "Srl" (Italy) I was just curious, as this is something that has been puzzling me for a long time. :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:25:34 -0700 (MST) From: Nub Subject: (orbital) really fucking amazing trance > The land was green and good. What's Dark Crystal? ack! you don't know? brilliantly surreal 80's movie by jim henson with some advanced muppeteering and great characters. highly recommended. > half-impaled on spikes. it sucks the most cheesey, common bits of every > trance song and produces a compilation. > excuse my rant, but i've had it to here (reece signals a point several > kilometers above his head) with people calling a great "trance" song. > and if you want to flame me, aim replies to ihatefaketrance@hotmail.com hmmm... did i call it a "great trance song"? nope, don't think i did. i think "melodic" was the word. do i "want" to flame you? well, no, not really. it takes all kinds, doesn't it? by the way, good sir, what might you consider to be "good trance?" as hard as i try, i can't ever seem to get people to talk about music on this list - - might this be a good lead-in? i'll start the fire be saying that i like oakenfold, but i find him to be "cheesy" a lot of the time. i personally don't see how the 9pm song is any more cheesy than oakey's GU.NY comp, disc1... spank my ass and call me a faketrancelover, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:53:29 +0000 From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) Open circuit From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" >anyways, the only reason I'd dig hearing Autechre playing in a cathedral >would be because of the acoustics in those buildings. or something. >wotever. they'd probably sound big and boomy and ever so super cool. who >cares about the religion? this is Autechre we're talking about! ;) This would be an amazing thing to see ! I think the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris would be a good place for Autechre, very atmospheric... Imagine actually being able to write a track there, built around the echoes..then again - perhaps knowing what it would sound like takes the fun out of it a bit ! I heard the beginning of Remind echo about a large room once, one of those happy accidents..sounded stunning. :-) >heh. blasting out some c64 sids in a church, now THAT would be fun ;) Millions of little square waves re-echoing over each other, god bless them all, each and every one ! >From: Brandon Invergo > >does anyone else find the stuff that mark s-d and >shannon write to be very confusing? :) You are not alone...biscuits at high noon , From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Spirituality and Religion >Mark. I'm not sure where you were going with the "Silence of the Bullshit Detectors" >argument. Tell me if you find that blender = ). Cheers! I haven't quoted your post but I honestly couldn't fault what you put, and agree with *very nearly* all you have said - having thought about it properly this time. ;-) As with many things, a lot of the time it's more a problem of language rather than understanding. I think the definition of spirituality you gave is similar to what I have come to understand as direct experience, which is a feeling of being connected to the universe, balanced, very much in the present, where thoughts are felt but not acted upon. Perhaps I'm cynical but other than this and *what we make of our experiences*, I do not believe of any higher power than that... but (IMHO) there is a spiritual 'dimension' to all matter (energy), infact those two aspects are two perceived sides of one and the same thing.(again, IMHO !) A tree will grow towards the sun (seeking) and in doing so will define the shape it is and will become, as I see it that is not so different to the way faith works, ..faith in a 'higher being', faith in 'science'..anything, but that is not to say that I deny it's importance (far from it ;-). But my own opinion is that it's not out there to be found it's more like it's everywhere always right in front of your face and also behind/inside it..this constantly creative living/dying (same)...force (God?) ..and I don't understand whats missing....other than my blender, where is that thing when you need it...? The bullshit detectors argument was bullshit ? And theres me thinking I was on to something ! I won't be making over simplistic representations of incredibly beautiful and complex biological processes in future, so this is what happens when you eat too much sugar ? As well as your brain glowing in the dark ! Must be more careful... For what it's worth, I have no intention of offending anybody with what I say ! >Subject: Re: (orbital)very confusing >Hey Mark Sado-Dementicus >Beeeeeeeeeeee-YOrp $@#*$&@#%_!!! >Ta-WAAAAng! I tried the pills, they didn't work. :'( Oh well..!! 8-P P.S. Thanks DeeKay Cheers, - -- - -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:50:59 -0600 (CST) From: Anthony N Gall Subject: Re: (orbital) really fucking amazing trance > by the way, good sir, what might you consider to be "good trance?" as hard > as i try, i can't ever seem to get people to talk about music on this list > - might this be a good lead-in? i'll start the fire be saying that i like > oakenfold, but i find him to be "cheesy" a lot of the time. i personally > don't see how the 9pm song is any more cheesy than oakey's GU.NY comp, > disc1... well, i think what most people call "trance" nowadays is just catchy euro-dancy-stuff. i think something more "trancy" would be say, sasha's new GU ibiza. thas what i think of when i think of "trance". most people would call it progressive house maybe, but hey thas just what i think. i think all of that euro-dancy-stuff is cheesy, but of its own nature. i think it's ok sometimes, just in moderation ^_^ - -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:20:30 +0100 From: Thomas Klausner Subject: Re: (orbital) Business Abbreviations Hi! Mutt made be believe that Juno . wrote: > I know where most of these are from, but can someone tell me what the > follwing extensions actually mean ? : > > "GmBh" (Germany) It's GmbH, and it means "Gesellschaft mit beschraenkter Haftung", approximately Company with limited financial responsibility. Bye, Thomas - -- Thomas Klausner - wiz@danbala.tuwien.ac.at WWW-homepage: http://fbma.tuwien.ac.at/~e9325658/Welcome.html Der Horizont vieler Menschen ist ein Kreis mit Radius Null -- und das nennen sie ihren Standpunkt. (found on /.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:40:38 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Xaos' mp3-complaints.. Xaos wrote: > Now, the Brothers Hartnoll and Steve "Loopz" Price all frown upon Orbital > MP3s, except for bootlegs of live shows and hard to get early material. > They do not, I'm sure, enjoy blatant piracy of readily available and > recently released albums. Well, i guess there are not many people on this list who don't have the 5 albums in original, the average is prolly much higher, i expect every fan on here to have something like 7 or 8 Orbital CDs or even Vinyl on average... I myself have about 15 original CDs and Vinyls.. So i don't really think you need to tell us! 8) However, i simply LOVE mp3s for giving me the possibility of getting tracks i wouldn't have a chance (or the change) to get otherwise.. And as for Orbital frowning upon mp3s, i'd like to quote Paul who once said in an interview: Q: Do you care about the mp3 scene and the hell it is raising in the music business, or do you think it will be something that blows over. A: Um..I think anything that raises hell in the music industry is a good thing. ...i don't think i need to tell people though that this doesn't mean you should collect Orbital ONLY in mp3! 8) But it makes me have less of a bad conscience when leeching some rare track rather than digging through 100s of CD/Vinyl crates or scanning dozens of online vendors or auctions (which i still so sometimes nevertheless! 8)!.. Keep in mind that an mp3 is not quite a collector's item, so you can't put it in a frame and hang it up in your room looking proudly on it all the time like an original Omen 12"! 8) It's merely for the music itself, not for the worth a real original represents for a collector! So i don't think mp3 will kill 'collectordom'! 8) Trainspotting mp3s can be a quest, too though!... I know i've spent almost 2 years on it now, hehe... I think the 'frowning' you were referring to was rather meant for the people making lotsa MONEY of selling Orbital-bootlegs (covering expenses is alright ofcourse!)!.. it's the same thing like with warez, if you charge for something more or less stolen, you suck and should be screwed bigtime anally! And that's something i agree with them 100%! >:) Keep the stuff free!.. So if you come across klickbanner sites, try mailing the sites the banners lead to that someone is scoring illegal klicks with mp3s and that they should blacklist them and demand all the money back they have given them sofar! >:-) I do mp3s since 97, and ALL sites were free back then, if someone tells me he is just 'covering his expenses' i laugh at them, don't believe them, these guys are making hundreds and often THOUSANDS of $$$ each month with this!! Just an idea i had after the 10000th bannerklick site i've come across.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:40:38 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Business Abbreviations > From: "Juno ." > "GmBh" (Germany) GmbH = Gesellschaft mit beschraenkter Haftung.. In Germany we have different Kinds of Enterprises, there's the AG (Aktiengesellschaft, means that they are available in stock! 8), the KG (quite uncommon these days), the GbR (Gesellschaft des buergerlichen Rechts, also quite uncommon today!) and the GmbH .. All these different kinds of enterprises vary in their 'jurisdicial face'! It means that they have certain rights and it determines how they appear before the law, how and who can be held liable in case of a case filed against them or the company going down!.. DeeKay, Dr.jur! 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:57:32 -0800 (PST) From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) flame war speaking of which...where is our fine opinioned friend? did he unsubscribe? flame war? ok how about "i think phil and paul should have realized they suck back when they released chime and just quit techno and gone into the children's television industry." heh. take that! brandon invergo > --- Ed Blackshaw wrote: > > > > I'm bored of these autechre posts. Let's have a > > flame war instead. Brendan... > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:29:46 +0100 From: daFinn Subject: (orbital) Blue Illusion ;) Well... FAQ stuff - This song resembles an Orbital track, but which? I feel pretty thick. Need more coffee. http://www.gegga.com/gegga/Not_Orbital-Blue_Illusion.mp3 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:26:30 GMT From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Xaos' mp3-complaints.. DeeKay wrote : >...i don't think i need to tell people though that this doesn't mean >you should collect Orbital ONLY in mp3! 8) But it makes me have less >of a bad conscience when leeching some rare track rather than digging >through 100s of CD/Vinyl crates or scanning dozens of online vendors >or auctions (which i still so sometimes nevertheless! 8)!.. Keep in >mind that an mp3 is not quite a collector's item, so you can't put it >in a frame and hang it up in your room looking proudly on it all the >time like an original Omen 12"! 8) It's merely for the music itself, >not for the worth a real original represents for a collector! So i >don't think mp3 will kill 'collectordom'! 8) Trainspotting mp3s can >be a quest, too though!... I know i've spent almost 2 years on it >now, hehe... Allegedly P&P have stated that they do not have a problem with people getting bootlegs and rare tracks on MP3 as they're hard to track down, but if my memory doesn't fail me, what raised this subject again was that somebody looked for an MP3 of "Style"; hardly a rare track yet. As for getting rare tracks on MP3, it takes the fun out of entering a small record shop in search of a rare release, and the moment of breathlessness you experience as one of the older releases appears before your eyes in the Orbital section. I agree that the MP3 market will hardly change the collectors' market, but I'm more concerned about the new release market where so many people rip whole cds and put them up for anyone to get. No, I'm not working for the record industry either, but I still feel a bit of a debt to the artists I like for the music they compose and I'm not about to go getting tracks that are very much available on MP3. Anyway, my 2 pence or whatever... Trym - - "He said, 'We come from the third planet'" - - "Go on.." - - "He said, 'We come from Earth'" - Biosphere, 'The Third Planet' Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:18:31 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Blue Illusion ;) Naaah, I won't fall for THAT troll! >:-P If -which is very unlikely- you were serious about this: GET THE HELL OUT! >:-) DeeKay > > Well... FAQ stuff - This song resembles an Orbital track, but which? I feel > pretty thick. Need more coffee. > > http://www.gegga.com/gegga/Not_Orbital-Blue_Illusion.mp3 > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:41:06 +0000 From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) trance At 22:50 02/11/99 -0600, Anthony N Gall wrote: >well, i think what most people call "trance" nowadays is just catchy >euro-dancy-stuff. I just call it house, 'cos it's not really anything more than the latest incarnation of commercial house - this year's speed garage. >i think something more "trancy" would be say, to me, trance is stuff like the Jam & Spoon mixes of The Age Of Love and "Stella", but then I'm getting on a bit... And I know that's not what Reece calls trance. cheers, Jon - - "Please hand the bird book back to the library by Tuesday, or you'll have to pay an extra Deutschmark." E&OE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #270 *****************************