From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #272 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Thursday, November 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 272 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:31:55 -0000 From: "Aaron Brown" Subject: Re: (orbital) time signature The only other track I can think of in anything other than 4/4 is FSOL's 'far out son of lung and the ramblings of a madman'... top tune, you don't get many people that can make 3/4 groove like that. If you're after more odd timing stuff, pick up both Lamb albums if you haven't already. The shit they're doing is unbelievable... Also, for the record, 4/4 + 3/4 would be 7/4 (sorry to be a pedant...) ez it's in 7/8 time! (or equivalently, alternates 4/4-3/4 each bar). pretty damn cool. this is the only orbital song (i know of) with a non-4/4 time signature. in fact, the only other non-4/4 techno track i can come up with off the top of my head is black dog's... oh shit, i can't remember the name. track 3 from "bytes." anyway... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:02:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) time signature On Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:31:55 -0000 Aaron Brown wrote: # # The only other track I can think of in anything other than 4/4 is FSOL's # 'far out son of lung and the ramblings of a madman'... top tune, you don't # get many people that can make 3/4 groove like that. If you're after more # odd timing stuff, pick up both Lamb albums if you haven't already. The # shit they're doing is unbelievable... # Also, for the record, 4/4 + 3/4 would be 7/4 (sorry to be a pedant...) # # ez # it's in 7/8 time! (or equivalently, alternates 4/4-3/4 each bar). pretty # damn cool. this is # the only orbital song (i know of) with a non-4/4 time signature. in fact, # the only other non-4/4 techno track i can come up with off the top of my # head is black dog's... oh shit, i can't remember the name. track 3 from # "bytes." anyway... You should check out some of System 7's stuff, particularly the osmosis suite on 'Power of seven' - I'm not entirely sure it's not 4/4, but it's so damn syncopated, it's hard to tell _what's_ going on! As eric Cartman would say, kick-ass dude! -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:51:02 +0000 From: Reece Subject: Re: (orbital) trance >to me, trance is stuff like the Jam & Spoon mixes of The Age Of Love and >"Stella", but then I'm getting on a bit... And I know that's not what Reece >calls trance. jon's right. my version on trance is the more banging fast uplifting music basically made for Ecstacy users (although trance-heads aren't necessarily pillers - take me for example). if i were recommending good (acid) trance/techno musicians (and i am, so get yer pen ready), i'd say: lab 4 (try alien and neurocide), m-zone, hallucinogen, man with no name, the secret, choci, tinrib, sharkey. djs would be: marc sinclair, choci, billy bunter, oberon, beamish, orange peel, sharkey, energy, fury. hit the shops peeps, this is what you want! if anyone wants any really shit-hot mix tapes or mds, send blanks my way. can't do cds though, and there's a waiting list for when i can (mehul and farki - you guys are at the top). aloha! Reece # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:14:52 -0800 From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) You can make compilations.. not just full CDs. People say that some older home audio CD players cannot play CD-R media.. My personal experience has been this.. if the CD-R is burned correctly, it will play in any player (ie. mine is 7 years old and plays them fine). if the CD-R is burned incorrectly, it may only play in a computer CD-ROM and not a home CD player. I've been able to play CD-RWs as well... but they're a waste of money so it doesn't really matter. Oh.. if you're going to spend the money, go SCSI, and buy Plextor CD-RW drives. If you don't you may be very disappointed. My $00.02USD Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:42:17 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Another random movie/MoN tie in. > Well, I was watching the movie Election, which is very excellent, and I > must recommend it to everyone. Anyway, there's a part where the > protagonist goes to New York and they're showing some footage of New > York that's sort of grainy, and it looks like it's from the 70's. It > looks a lot like the artwork inside the MoN booklet. Well, there's my > strange, obscure movie-to-Middle-of-Nowhere tie in for this month, be > sure to tune in on my next startling revelation. Out- > > -Marc Sawaya > From what i saw the 'movie to MoN' was rather the video to "The Box", as the video's chick fades in in the beginning and looks *exactly* like the figure of MoN, only without a white background! But that would be an easy job in Photoshop, it also looks kinda blurry on the cover, which might be due to low-res video footage, so i wonder if the cover designer has actually digitized this figure from 'The Box" Video!... ...and i STILL swear he sings "Ciause he's indestructible"! 8) Wtf is "ciause"? 8) Italian pronounciation (Trevi Fountain!)?? DeeKay "...Shares his neighbors with a building Knows addresses of by heart..." 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:47:55 -0500 From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Another random movie/MoN tie in. > Actually, I was referring to all the art inside the booklet like with the taxis and people. It appears that the figure on the cover has been spotted in several movies, such as the Game and Monthy Python and the Search for the Holy Grail (when they're pushing the rabbit). - -Marc > >From what i saw the 'movie to MoN' was rather the video to "The Box", > as the video's chick fades in in the beginning and looks *exactly* > like the figure of MoN, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:55:26 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) The speed at which they're burned matters, too!.. 4x ones won't work too well, especially in car CD-players.. From what i figured the 8x burners must have a stronger Laser, because the 4x were already critical, e.g. nobody manages to burn a PSX game in 4x! It's down to the deepness of the grooves, if the laser has less time to burn the groove, it becomes critical... So the 8x MUST have a stronger one, i figure the 4x ones still have the old, weaker lasers... afaik RWs really don't work on CD-players built before CD-RW came out.. DeeKay > You can make compilations.. not just full CDs. > > People say that some older home audio CD players cannot play CD-R media.. My > personal experience has been this.. if the CD-R is burned correctly, it will > play in any player (ie. mine is 7 years old and plays them fine). if the > CD-R is burned incorrectly, it may only play in a computer CD-ROM and not a > home CD player. I've been able to play CD-RWs as well... but they're a > waste of money so it doesn't really matter. > > Oh.. if you're going to spend the money, go SCSI, and buy Plextor CD-RW > drives. If you don't you may be very disappointed. > > My $00.02USD > > Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:12:11 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Another random movie/MoN tie in. Huh?? Quest for the Holy grail??? I wonder what scene THAT could be then, i mean i've seen the movie about 15 times but i can't remember that! However, the Box video is the most likely source, since it's from Orbital themselves! 8))) DeeKay > > Actually, I was referring to all the art inside the booklet like with the taxis > and people. It appears that the figure on the cover has been spotted in > several movies, such as the Game and Monthy Python and the Search for the Holy > Grail (when they're pushing the rabbit). > > -Marc > > > >From what i saw the 'movie to MoN' was rather the video to "The Box", > > as the video's chick fades in in the beginning and looks *exactly* > > like the figure of MoN, > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:16:18 -0800 From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) >>> The speed at which they're burned matters, too!.. 4x ones won't work too well, especially in car CD-players.. From what i figured the 8x burners must have a stronger Laser, because the 4x were already critical, e.g. nobody manages to burn a PSX game in 4x! It's down to the deepness of the grooves, if the laser has less time to burn the groove, it becomes critical... So the 8x MUST have a stronger one, i figure the 4x ones still have the old, weaker lasers... afaik RWs really don't work on CD-players built before CD-RW came out.. DeeKay <<< I burn all my CD-Rs at 4x.. works fine. I've run CD-RW media in my home deck which is 7 years old.. works fine. As I said before, it all depends on knowing what you're doing and buying good media. I prefer Sony, Maxell, and TDK & use Nero Burning ROM software. Oh.. and IDE CDROMs & CD-RWs suck.. that's that. With SCSI, if something hiccups on your system (ie an application popping up out of nowhere) the CD still burns ok.. w/ IDE, I'd have a new coaster. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:22:25 EST From: "Ender Wright" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) >Oh.. and IDE CDROMs & CD-RWs suck.. that's that. With SCSI, if something >hiccups on your system (ie an application popping up out of nowhere) the CD >still burns ok.. w/ IDE, I'd have a new coaster. That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:23:57 EST From: BcallmeD@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Electronica documentary and Portable DAT Hey everybody. I just wanted to mention that a few weeks ago I saw a great documentary about the history/artists/ and culture of electronic music (including djs) in my Film and Youth Cultures class. It's called "Modualtions: Cinema for the Ear." (Remember when people were fighting about the origins of electronica...well this movie dates it back to before the 1930s [that's a bit earlier than Kraftwerk]). Anyway, there are lots of copies at various VHS dealers on the net. I highly recommend it...it interviews Squarepusher and Autechre and shows a clip of Orbital performing. Onwards! I couls also use a bit of advice about what to look for since I'm in the market for a portable DAT machine (an older, cheaper one should do the trick). What options should it have that will allow me to transfer the glorious digital sound to my computer's sequencer software (Logic). Thanks for zee help. Brian the marginal protector # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:34:37 +0000 From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) At 19:55 8.11.1999 +0000, deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > >The speed at which they're burned matters, too!.. 4x ones won't work >too well, especially in car CD-players.. From what i figured the 8x >burners must have a stronger Laser, because the 4x were already >critical, e.g. nobody manages to burn a PSX game in 4x! really? all psx games I've burned at 4x work perfectly.... ;) and I got a Plextor 8x on the way *drooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo* >It's down to >the deepness of the grooves, if the laser has less time to burn the >groove, it becomes critical... So the 8x MUST have a stronger one, i >figure the 4x ones still have the old, weaker lasers... I think it all depends on the brand and quality of the burner. I used to have a Teac cdr55-s drive, and, in short, it w00ped ass! ripped audio perfectly at 12x, burned perfectly at 4x, and anything I threw the cds at played them without hitch. discman, crappy cd players, car cd player, you name it. then again, I didn't use sub-brand super-cheap less-than-0 quality disks... ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net click need more sugar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:40:49 +0000 From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) time signature At 15:28 7.11.1999 -0700, Nub wrote: > >i wanted to reiterate what someone said about mock tudor being a bitchin >track. found it yesterday on this cheesy "earth dance" comp i picked up >for 3 bucks. but i'm surprised that nobody (to my knowlege) has yet >mentioned the most interesting thing about this track: it's in 7/8 time! >(or equivalently, alternates 4/4-3/4 each bar). pretty damn cool. this is >the only orbital song (i know of) with a non-4/4 time signature. in fact, >the only other non-4/4 techno track i can come up with off the top of my >head is black dog's... oh shit, i can't remember the name. track 3 from >"bytes." anyway... and it's a friggin beautiful tune too... and I can't remember the name of it either :) was it Jaukk by Close Up Over? or was that my other super favorite from the cd, track #10... anyways, one other tune I remember which uses this time signature is the last track on Bjorn Lynne's first cd (dr.awesome & fleshbrain's "hobbits & spaceships"). needless to say, I forgot the name of that track... ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net click need more sugar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:44:50 -0800 From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) > That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. I can kill 10 CD-Rs for the price of one CD-RW. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:55:04 -0800 From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Electronica documentary and Portable DAT >Onwards! >I couls also use a bit of advice about what to look for since I'm in the >market for a portable DAT machine (an older, cheaper one should do the >trick). What options should it have that will allow me to transfer the >glorious digital sound to my computer's sequencer software (Logic). Thanks >for zee help. Why DAT? My buddy is a boot'er and he uses minidisk... if you *must* use DAT, all you should need is a soundcard w/ digital interface (S/PDIF).. there was a posting on slashdot awhile ago on this subject... http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/09/29/0451243.shtml # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:54:54 EST From: "Ender Wright" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) >>That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. >I can kill 10 CD-Rs for the price of one CD-RW. Where the hell do you buy from? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:25:52 -0600 (CST) From: Anthony N Gall Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Ender Wright wrote: > > >>That's why you buy CDRW's, so you can re-record. > > >I can kill 10 CD-Rs for the price of one CD-RW. > > Where the hell do you buy from? well i can't speak for Ian, but i buy usually from BestBuy, Memorex 50-packs are my friends :) they're a buck per CD-R...completely blank, too...and you can always try for a discount, i've gotten 100's of CD-Rs for free that way...hmm funny, haven't ever seen CD-RWs on discount :P - -Anthony # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:43:36 EST From: "Ender Wright" Subject: RE: (orbital) cd writers (off topic) Good point, but I don't buy in bulk that big... MicroWareHouse sells Imation CDRW (74min/650MB) in ten packs for $30. Besides, I make a lot of mistakes... and I don't need any more coasters. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:49:19 -0500 From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Xing MP3 encoding. Alright, I don't want to start anything, I just want someone to tell me why Audiocatalyst is bad. It sounds fine and is a heckuva lot faster than CDex. That's all! - -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:59:54 -0800 From: "Ian Mahuron" Subject: RE: (orbital) Xing MP3 encoding. I tried CDex and didn't like it.. the ripper is flawed (lots of pops.. slow, etc..).. and the encoder isn't as fast as they boast (FH is just as fast). I use the "Audio extractor" that came w/ my Plextor to rip the tracks and then mp3 producer (Fraunhoffer) to encode.. works great.. though I wish FH codecs supported variable bitrates. For those of you without Plextor drives.. get a copy of Audiograbber and the radium release of the FH codec... works like magic. Ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:55:00 +0000 From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) Robin Hood Robin Hood riding through the glen >From: GlaucoBacchi >Subject: (orbital) early singles >any tips on finding the chime, omen, satan or midnight singles in the >u.k.? >- -- >Glauco Bacchi (GlaucoBacchi@bigfoot.com) Forget the big shops except for the very latest releases, even then try and find an good independent store. For the rare stuff it's best to look through the back of magazines such as Record Collector..Muzik..Mixmag etc etc..and note down all the telephone numbers (of record shops!), phone them up..ask if they do mail order or if they do a catalogue..some have them on computer so you can find out if somethings in stock right away. You don't usually have to travel, but I've travelled over 100 miles once for one particular 12" ! Other than that, find out about record fairs..if there are any in your area..sometimes there are notice boards in librarys where people advertise these things. Librarys also do records and cds, I found the orbital remix of Kinetic (Golden Girls) in the library and later bought it from somewhere else..and took out some Stereolab stuff at the same time because I wasn't sure if I'd like it or not. ..and of course theres the Internet as well but using search engines effectively is a dark art, so I leave that till last. Was interesting for me to read the posts about MP3's..and related to what was said, I just want to add that it's not just in the music industry that people abuse their positions of influence by being dishonest in order to fill their pockets ! Happens everywhere, capitalism is a great motivator - motivates anything profitable all the way from crap radio all the way through to weapons and mass destruction ! So, what are these ideals that mp3 is to bring about , cheaper CD's for all ? (Sound familiar?) Perhaps I'm old and cynical but the first things to go in a companys efficiency drive is anything of any human worth, take a look inside McDonalds and ask yourself how many people relish their food or cry tears of joy at the sight of Ronald ! Tears of pain after choking on a rats arse bone perhaps.... I think that it would be good if record companies saw themselves as public service organisations instead of a business purely out to make profit, but is setting out to destroy the whole thing really a way forward or just clearing the ground to make way for something even worse ? I don't know really...I do think if you like something you should support it, and defiantly not take money away from it...I expect Orbital have at some point made the choice that being heard and having an imperfect record deal is more important than not having a record deal at all...and if you believe that too then you should choose to get an original recording first if there's the choice. If you don't believe that then you could ask yourself what you wanted the mp3 for in the first place, and delete it. Cheers, - -- - -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:04:52 EST From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Autechre/Plaid. Hey all, Some of you may have heard about the tour with Autechre, Plaid, and Push Button Objects that is supposedly coming to the US. Now, Pat McGinn (aka Xaos) told me about this, and supposedly it's going to be in December or something. Does anyone (Pat?) know anything about this tour? Have there been any new developments, or rumours surfacing? Thanks, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:48:29 GMT From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) An Early Farewell :-( Hello everyone !!!! :-) As I have one week left before I leave for the black pit of despair which is Basic Military Training (lol), I just wanted to give an early goodbye to everyone on all four of my favorite lists. You have all been very fun and interesting people to chat with, teaching me many valuable things regarding the love of music and technology. I will definitely miss all of the silly flame wars and annoying post questions that had been mentioned fifty million times before (;-) . It felt damn good to be part of four groups of individuals who respect the masters of the music game the same way that I do. I don't know for sure when I'll be back online; maybe within the next three to six months. I really have no idea what the fuck the future holds, but so far I see plenty of recording, traveling, and meeting lots of new people. If I get to be stationed in Germany, I might plan on bringing some friends over to see Kraftwerk at Expo 2000. Anyways, I want to keep it short and sweet, so let me just say that I love all you guys and that I will miss you all very much from the bottom of my heart. God Bless all of you forever. :-) Josh E. (Juno) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:10:30 -0500 From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre/Plaid. > Some of you may have heard about the tour with Autechre, Plaid, and Push > Button Objects that is supposedly coming to the US. Now, Pat McGinn (aka > Xaos) told me about this, and supposedly it's going to be in December or > something. Does anyone (Pat?) know anything about this tour? Have there been > any new developments, or rumours surfacing? The lineup for the Chocolate Industries Release Tour is: DJ Craze Plaid Push Button Objects DJ Infamous Autechre +more TBA The last info I got on the tour was a response to a question I sent one of the P.R. guys, and he said "There will be a New York show, either the last week of November or the first week in December." That was almost two months ago, so it could have changed since then. I'll e-mail the guy again today and see what's up. It didn't sound like they had all the details really ironed out, but I hope it's still on. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:34:44 GMT From: "Juno ." Subject: (orbital) OT: More Computer Stuff Well, I apologize if this topic bored some of you out there the first time it was mentioned, but that's what you have delete buttons for. ;-P Anyways, as I had talked about before, I had waged the war in my head about converting to Mac over PC (especially in regards to music making). Although I will keep my PC for now, it will definitely go in the closet once I get my hands on my new Mac system soon. But there's just one problem. :-0 I originally said that I would start saving up for a G4 tower, but now the new iMac DV systems have really caught my attention. The new iMac DV's have now inlcuded all of the features that I originally wanted in the first editions : 350 or 400 G3 Processors 100 Mhz System Bus 64 or 128 MB RAM 2 Fire Wire Ports 6, 10, 0R 13GB Ultra ATA Drives 8 MB Video RAM ATI Rage 128 Card (2x AGP) 4x DVD-ROM Harmon Kardon speakers iMovie video software Plus, I've always wanted to get into video editing. I've been thinking of building a site to house all of my rare Art Of Noise footage on, but I don't have a video capture device. So now the debate is, which one should I buy ? To paraphrase a statement made by Apple, they said that you would only need a G4 over an iMac if you needed a bigger monitor (??? Monitors are sold separately from the G4 towers), needed PCI expansion, or if you needed more than a maximum of 512 MB of RAM. Surely that'a a faulty statement. I like the iMac because it's truly plug-and-play, and everything is so compact and easily accessible (ever have to change an audio cable from the back of a large tower case ? It's quite a bitch when you have little room to move around !!!!). Plus, I love the flavors (hey, when will we see a Lemon model ?) :-) But I want the G4 for its brute-strength processing. Either way, both models will be faster than the newest Pentiums (according to Apple's tests LOL) . So what do you Mac Addicts think ? : New iMac, or new G4 ? BTW : I know that there are USB MIDI boxes available for the Mac, but are there any full-fledged USB audio cards/boxes out there ? I know that Roland and Edirol released their UA-100 Audio Canvas, but its interface software is specifically for PC. I really want to start doing 24-bit recording. Thanks again for putting up with my long-ass posts. ;-P NoiseWerker - "For God So Loved The World He ICQ # 42651237 Created The Roland TB-303" Bless You All. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:46:51 -0500 From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Moby's Thousand Someone on this list mentioned this song to me a long time ago and I finally found it on mp3. Basically it's nuts. It has a sample of a female singer saying "oh yeah", and then the beat starts in and speeds up to 1000bpm (hence the name of the song). Then it stops and starts again. Sheer madness, I think it was described by the person who recommended it, I forget who it was. If you want to check it out, just for fun at least, it's on my ftp of course, msawaya.res.wpi.net, log/pass: bobo. Come leech stuff and feel free to upload. Cheers - -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:13:54 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Subject: (orbital) Re: (non-orbital) Mp3 - here we go again [ From: deekay@mail.dfu.de [ people working in the music business told me making a printed CD [ plus 4-sided 4-color cover and jewel case costs for the record [ companies (in 5-digit amounts!) 0.86DM, which is about $0.50 or [ 0.30.. I can believe that. In 1997, I priced a limited pressing of 1,000 CDs for $2,000 which includes printing color inserts, film for the screen print on the CD itself, pre-mastering, creating a master tape/CD, and pressing and assembling everything (distribution and advertising would be extra). If an individual can do this for $2 per CD at minimum quantities, the records companies should be able cut the price to 1/4 for millions of copies of hit CDs. [ Furthermore concerning royalties, not-well known artists [ get around 5%, better known ones up to 10% (if they're [ lucky!) and AAAALLL the fucking rest goes to the record company, [ let's say that's something like 20DM/$11/7 after taxes from a [ 35DM/$18/12 (that's what an album costs in germany!) album!!! I disagree with your statement that the record company gets everything that the artist doesn't see. 1) The retail shop gets to make a profit vs. wholesale prices. This goes to pay employees, rent, electrical bills, and massive profits. 2) The distributors make as much $6 per CD, I think. Either that, or they only pay $6 per CD. Since they no longer accept CD returns, I don't know what their costs are, other than shipping and warehousing. 3) The record companies get the profit that is left. They claim that studio costs and advertising are incredibly costly, but they probably own the studios and we know how poorly they advertise the bands that need it. I don't doubt that the record companies make more than anyone else in the picture, but they do share the money with the distributors, retail shops, and artists. 4) Some money goes to the government in taxes, but that's not a hidden percentage! [ Now, making THAT much profit, i can understand [ b) why top-sellers like Michael Jackson, Madonna, etc. are [ screaming so hard (cause THEY have the 25% and up royalties!!) Did you know that the US has a bizarre law taxing blank cassette tapes and DATs, and then paying top-sellers under the assumption that bootlegging is happening on all those blanks? They run special listener request radio stations that log how many times a song is requested, and then distributing the tax in proportion to the artist's popularity. I think this is awful, and I think that it actually encourages bootlegging. If you've already paid the fine for bootlegging, why not do the crime? I wouldn't be surprised if some legislator introduces an amendment to that law which taxes CD-R blanks and CD-RW media. If anyone has any additional information on these taxes, please let me know. [ "well, fuck the money we lose in royalties if that means we'll [ get rid of these damn record companies soon, with people being [ able to download the stuff for a fraction of the money they'd pay [ for the CD (I'd say one third or so) but with us getting ALL that [ money, not only a fraction of it like with the record companies!" Even though I disagree with your statement that record companies keep all the money that they don't give to the artist, I do agree that MP3 can help small bands and even large ones. The biggest problem is that the distributors, record companies, and retail shops are all big businesses trying to maximize profit to the limit that the market will bear. They killed vinyl because it costs more to make them, and the public is willing to pay less than a CD. The claim was that vinyl wasn't selling, but the record companies made this a self-fulfilling prophecy by reducing the number of vinyl records pressed! The real maddening facts are that distributors make retail shops sign exclusive agreements that they will not accept CDs from any other source. This means that even if you print 1,000 of your own original CD, you can't even drop them off at the local retail shop unless you can do it under the table. I found this out when trying to arrange for distribution of my own CDs. The other problem is record company greed. In the old days, when music was not such a commodity, they were happy to sell thousands of records. 10,000 copies was amazing. Then came Gold and Platinum and multi-platinum records. The record companies are now addicted, and won't even give the time of day to a small band that would sell merely 10,000 copies. Today's small bands might sell more records than Elvis did (when he was alive - I'm not counting the massive sales that are still going), but they cannot get them printed by a major label. After I learned all of this, I had the idea of starting a no-questions-asked record company that would print any number of copies of a CD for any band. Kind of like a Kinko's Copies for music CDs. The bands would have to pay for the pressing just like they pay for printing their flyers. But despite the potential legal problems with my idea, I soon learned that most small bands have no idea how to manage money, they cannot even scrape together $100 to pool together with other bands to make a compilation CD. So I can really see how the record companies are able to get them to sign away their souls. Brian Willoughby # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #272 *****************************