From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #312 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Friday, March 24 2000 Volume 02 : Number 312 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:03:38 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Re: Spaniards street-naming scheme... Spain named a Street after AC/DC? What's it called? "Highway to hell?" ;-D Sorry, couldn't help it! <:-) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:53:46 GMT From: "e. lanum" Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv whoa i guess i always took the artwork from this album for granted i nevre notieced the cars driving around the edge or the flags on the guys head also his eyeballs look like globes well i love the sniv picture. a few years ago i got someone to paint the front cover of it on my wall. 1.5 * 2.0 meters. u can check the result here : http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg some other shit : http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/ - -- ye chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original ender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» » Ed Lanum »» » slvg_bvg@hotmail.com »» ************************************** »NOW PLAYING IN A CD/PC NEAR YOU ** ************************************** » LFO -Love is the message »» » Ae - Tri Repeatae »» » Orbital - Beached »» » Sven Vath - Accident in Paradise »» » Ae - Peel Sessions »» »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:40:34 -0800 From: ".." Subject: (orbital) Due to that fact that loopz message board, quite simply, sucks, Should i open an open one? If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:03:10 -0000 From: "benjib" Subject: RE: (orbital) Due to that fact that loopz message board, quite simply, sucks, Should i open an open one? > mornin' > > that would be a good idea since i have been banned from the loopz board > > benjib # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:25:53 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Sniv Wow! 8) I wish i had sth like that on the wall! <:-) But unfortunately i don't have any friends who are skilled at airbrushing!.. 8_( One Question: How can you have this picture ON THE WALL (=see it every day!) and NOT notice the cars and the Flags? <:-) DeeKay > whoa i guess i always took the artwork from this album for granted > i nevre notieced the cars driving around the edge or the flags on the guys > head > also his eyeballs look like globes > > > well i love the sniv picture. > a few years ago i got someone to paint the front cover of it on my > wall. > 1.5 * 2.0 meters. > u can check the result here : > http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/sniv-3.jpg > some other shit : > > http://members.tripod.com/~In_Sides/subdirectory/ > > -- > ye > chump chump@netvision.net.il # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:02:01 EST From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Backstreet Boys Hey, This just strikes me as funny... http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/03/22/canada.backstreet.boys.reut/index.html Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:06:05 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server > > > > Marc's ftp seems to be doing quite well at the moment. If someone has any > > good ALBUMS similiar to Orbital, go on and upload them, 'cause full albums > > are much more fun to listen to! thanks for your time > > You are going to hell! These musicians only get 5% of their profits > (while the talentless CD cutters get the other 95%), so be nice and buy > the damn albums! > > -- > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Brendan, you don't REALLY wanna start this argument, do you? <:-) I mean - we've had it before, didn't we? Apparently only the 10%+ musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the possibilities and so should you!.. Question: If you hate the "talentless CD cutters" so much, why would you give them 95% of the price you pay for a CD voluntarily? DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:17:37 -0600 From: "J Van" Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server >Apparently only the 10%+ >musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the >possibilities and so should you!.. Thats a typical MP3 leechers' mentality... Don't mp3 albums that you can buy in stores....Support the artist and buy the album My take on MP3s in general - I for one dont welcome the vanishing physical presence of recordings... to me having the thing is something that I like... it was bad enough having to lose out on records and their presence... now CD's seem like they have a lot of personality compared to digital recordings which just float across the phone lines... jv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:09:47 EST From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) marc's server "Apparently only the 10%+ musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the possibilities and so should you!.." "Thats a typical MP3 leechers' mentality... Don't mp3 albums that you can buy in stores....Support the artist and buy the album My take on MP3s in general - I for one dont welcome the vanishing physical presence of recordings... to me having the thing is something that I like... it was bad enough having to lose out on records and their presence... now CD's seem like they have a lot of personality compared to digital recordings which just float across the phone lines..." Yeah, I agree! Now, does anyone have any albums I can leech? I'm really looking for FULL albums. I don't have anything to trade either. I don't care if they're available in stores here! I have the money to buy the albums, but hey, if I can get them for free I'll leech 'em! ;-) No, but really, I only like MP3s when they're a little on the rare side. For example, I'll only get an Orbital MP3 when (1) I intend to buy the album anyway, and I just can't wait to hear the song! (2) It's out of print, and avaible only in another country, and since I'm a fuckin American, I can't get it here. (3) I don't want to pay $40 on EBay for a three track album (4) I don't own a damn turntable. I think MP3s are good for the industry because they promote the music. Most of the time, I get MP3s so that I can see if I'll like the song for myself, rather than relying on shitty bass-akwards reviews or other people's opinions, and I won't have to buy a $35 import blindly! Protecting my investment :-) MP3s stimulate CD sales. However, it's those fucks that like to get Backstreet Boys and fuckin Korn albums on MP3 that I can't stand. I mean, go buy the fuckin CD at Tower for 10 bucks! (it's on sale this month) :-) Then, those other people have the nerve to make 10 copies of that shit and sell them for like $5?!? MP3s should ALWAYS be traded, and not just leeched. That's just my take on the matter. Rob P.S. Anyone know any good leech sites? ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:49:43 -0500 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Drug flamewar... deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > Yiiie-Haaaa! 8) > Right on, it's a flamewar! ;-D > > And guess who's (again) involved? Brendan! <:-) > Now, don't get me wrong, Brendan, I'm not condemning you for what > happened before, but i just can't help but notice a *slight* > similarity in all the flamewars on the list: you! <:-) Well, excuuuuuuuuse me. I wasn't the one who started it. > The point is that since you raised the bloodpressure of some people > in the past you need to be a bit more careful in HOW you say > things!.. I found your post interesting to read and all that, and > like Nub said before, there's quite some truth in it, but the way you > put it was too much fact-like and not enough "IMHO"!.. And with a > topic like drugs IMHO is absolutely necessary cause the topic is WAY > too complex to evoke the impression that one knew it all! What? You don't like facts? I prefer facts over opinions anyday. > I think Brendan is a bit of a "Schlaubi Schlumpf" (The smurf that > knows it all, dunno what the english name is! 8) He informs himself > about a subject and then thinks he knows it all and can pass > judgement, be it Rap music, Moby or Drugs!.. But all of these topics > are too complex to really pass judgement from knowledge one gathered > from the net or in say a year or two!.. One would only be allowed to > pass judgement if one would be PERSONALLY INVOLVED in the subject for > a time long enough, let's say 6 years minimum! That's the reason why > the government sends ex-druggies to schools to tell the kids! Anyone > else wouldn't seem credible enough! Yeah, and those "ex-druggies" are in the minority. Most people who take drugs for a while (and are -smart- about taking drugs) remember that they had a good time, but they simply don't do them any more. > Now, i haven't seen neither of you (brendan & Marc) mention the > sideeffects of E for example, WHAT it does to your brain and the > long-term effects!.. Saying "inform yourself about what you're > taking' is not enough if you're advocating drug-use! ANY good article > i ever read about drugs (e.g. in Techno-Magazines!) had that in it! > Saying something as blatant as "drugs are stupid" without giving > reasons is pretty offensive and intolerant, i agree with Brendan > there, but saying "Drugs are okay" without giving the facts just > doesn't seem correct either! Errr...what facts do you need, man? I have books and books and pages of facts to reference from if you need them. xolotl ranted: > > There is a great slide show here that shows you what e does to your > brain, and some of the dangers associated with e. The truth is there have > been no long term tests done on any humans with mdma. There have been some > experiments conducted with rats, and i think with monkey's but don't qutoe > me on that. Personally i've had some violent mood swings, some depression, > and a bit of long term memory loss up to a few days after taking the drug > but it's not a regular occurance. They think it MIGHT be connected with > parkisons disease but again...don't quote me on that. I'd be more than > happy to share my trips/experiences with anyone else who would like to > share/know more. Or it might have to do with the other chemicals that they put in E. I don't know why people feel a need to put shit in E, when pure E is just fine. I've had a little bit of post-drug depression, but nothing major. And E is just cousin of speed, so any research on speed would be similar to research on E. (Of course, the happy effects aren't in the speed research, but the other stuff is.) Deekay spewed: > > Spain named a Street after AC/DC? > What's it called? "Highway to hell?" ;-D > > Sorry, couldn't help it! <:-) Ugh! What's worse that AC/DC? Bad AC/DC jokes. > Brendan, you don't REALLY wanna start this argument, do you? <:-) > I mean - we've had it before, didn't we? Apparently only the 10%+ > musicians are angry at mp3s, the normal 5% musicians see the > possibilities and so should you!.. I'm fine with grabbing a few songs from an album on MP3. I do it myself to test an album before I buy it. But, grabbing an entire CD on MP3 is bad, bad, bad. > Question: If you hate the "talentless CD cutters" so much, why would > you give them 95% of the price you pay for a CD voluntarily? That's a dumb question. Do you know of any way to get a CD without paying for it, short of stealing? - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:42:23 -0500 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards ".." wrote: > > If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you > all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice > setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything > without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. Please take a look at RPGBoard. It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the best MB out there. It's on my site at http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/ I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards. - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:05:24 EST From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards Brendan proclaimed: "I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego." You aren't? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:00:09 -0500 From: Oleg Rekutin Subject: Re[2]: (orbital) Message Boards Not to start a flamewar, but I disagree with "damn UBB board." I find UBB very nice, and a whole lot of sites are using it quite successfully. Not to mention I'm going to be writing my own bulletin board software soon, but that's for a private project, so it's not likely to go public or anything. - - Oleg Thursday, March 23, 2000, 1:42:23 PM, you wrote: BBS> ".." wrote: >> >> If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you >> all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice >> setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything >> without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. BBS> Please take a look at RPGBoard. It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the BBS> best MB out there. It's on my site at BBS> http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/ BBS> I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get BBS> one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:10:59 -0500 From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards Oleg Rekutin wrote: > > Not to start a flamewar, but I disagree with "damn UBB board." I find > UBB very nice, and a whole lot of sites are using it quite successfully. UBB -looks- nice, but I find it to be a pain in the ass in the functionality department, and it doesn't have anything special that I don't already have in RPGBoard. > Not to mention I'm going to be writing my own bulletin board software > soon, but that's for a private project, so it's not likely to go public > or anything. What for? College project, or do you need it for something? I figure "Why duplicate work" when you can use something else and tweak it to your own needs. "Good programmers know what to write. Great ones know what to rewrite (and reuse)." -- Eric S. Raymond - -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:27:55 EST From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) OAKEY! Hey all, Um, I know there's like 5 of you out there in the Boston area, so last call to get put on the Paul Oakenfold/Dave Ralph guest list :-) I'm headed out to the pre-party around 9:00 :-)))) Lata! Robbie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. {all the "don't leech stuff that you can by in stores" stuff snipped] Hey! You guys have REALLY bought this "copy kills music" shit the record industry is spreading? 8) Do you REALLY think that just because the record industry's margins have dropped by 7% there'll be no more music?? And that Bands go out of business and quit making music just because they sell less albums? "Shit!.. Our margins have dropped from 95% to 88% How are we supposed to live on that! HELP! HELP! WE'RE GOING BANKRUPT! We can't pay our artists anymore!" Duudes, wake up! 8) The fact remains - these fucks make 95% profit of someone else's creativity!.. And as far as i am concerned they can completely go to hell!.. ALL of the majors! Unfortunately it won't happen! NOBODY needs them! WHAT for would we need them??? MUSIC will always be there, will always find a way!.. What's this weird thinking that an artist needs a record label to become popular? Hasn't especially ORBITAL proven the exact opposite?? It seems that all of you have forgotten about what happened since they introduced the CD!.. It was WAY more expensive than a Record, and People were complaining... So they said "we need to get the money back that we spent on development of the CD, after that prices will drop.. well, what happened? The prices were CONSTANTLY raised! They can simply charge so much for a CD cause people are willing to PAY it, since they want the music (which is all that counts! Not the Top-of-the-pops, radio play shit marketing!) Now people don't HAVE to buy the CDs anymore since there's mp3.. and they don't! .. They just don't!.. I think that's a great thing! 8) Don't get me wrong, the last thing i want is ripping the artists off... they might go through a hard time now with the current structures established, but if you get a foul tooth removed, it also hurts, but it's better for you afterwards! I would be happy to pay $5 for an album and download it straight from the artist's server, including booklet and all that!... IF THAT WHOLE $5 GOES TO THE ARTIST!.. Let's see... that is exactly TEN times as much as he'd make of that $10 deal that Rob mentioned!.. okay, subtract some studio costs and web-traffic and he'll still get a multiple of what he'd usually get!.. I'm watching this whole thing laughing my ass off with the RIIA and it's villains running around like headless chicken trying to re-invent the internet while they themselves said exactly 1 year ago that mp3 is "just a trend for a few freaks and will soon vanish!" mp3 is here to stay, and i dunno how the situation will develop, but the only thing i somehow know is that the outcome will be good! 8) And that'll be the first REAL liberation the internet has brought us then, Linux will be the second (or the other way around, doesn't matter! 8) Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we... Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. And yeah: Fuck the shitheads that sell mp3s, have klickbanner sites running or are selling copied CDRs! These should go to hell aswell! "1000 copied CDs kill one Newcomer band!" Yeah right!... Isn't it rather: "One record company boss kills 1000 Newcomer bands a day" >:-) Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups and this shit? >:-) Remember: MUSIC WILL ALWAYS BE THERE!!!! It's one of man's most basic needs and talents to make and consume music! Record companies need the artists (cause they're not productive themselves, they just live off other's creativity!) but artists don't need the record companies anymore these days! 8) And that's FUCKING funny!.. When cars became popular, nobody needed any more blacksmiths and all that... when electricity became popular, nobody needed the people that built steam engines anymore... and we're approaching a time where the exact same thing will happen to a) Microsoft and b) the Record companies! >:-) How did the "slave" of Sony music (The artist formerly known as Prince") call it? Sign o' the times! The basic principle that the RIIA just seems to be unable to grasp ist the sheer possiblility of digital copies. I copy from someone else and have the exact same thing!.. That's generally VERY hard to get ahold of for the human mind! 8) In ALL other areas of life, if i take something away from someone, i have it and he hasn't! and if i copy it it's lossy copying, that means it's just not the original! but with digital copying that's completely different. The presence of digital copies being there moves the power away from the producers towards the consumer, and this is something that we've all been waiting for for quite some time now!.. I CAN buy some software if i wanna use it, but i don't HAVE to... I CAN buy an Album if i want it but i don't HAVE to! And all this without STEALING from anone! 8) Sorry, but i have to go a little offtopiv now: I always laugh my ass off if i see figures from the SPA (Software Piracy Association) that say: "We lost $30 Gazillion last year due to pirated software" - totally neglecting the fact that only a tiny fraction of the people would've actually BOUGHT the stuff if they had to, either because it's not worth buying it anyway or they simply wouldn't have the dough! btw: There's no such thing as software piracy as pirates robbed (=took things AWAY!) and murdered people! That's all just propaganda BS! Have you ever heard of a software vendor (that made some great products!) that went out of business cause of software piracy?? I know i haven't!.. If someone produces good stuff, people are willing to pay for it!.. And if Hash Animator Pro can do a pretty large part of the things that Max, Softimage, Maya, Cinema and Lightwave can do and only costs a tiny fraction of it, i will buy it!.. (Strange... There's no such thing as large differences in price in the music business!... I wonder why? >:-) DeeKay, dreaming of the day when i'd turn on the radio and listen to it straight for several days without ever hearing the same song twice! Quote P.Hartnoll: "Anything that raises hell in the record industry is good" - and no, Steve, i don't think he was joking very much there cause other artists say the same thing! >:-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: OT: Re: (orbital) Message Boards -> Eric Raymond > "Good programmers know what to write. Great ones know what to rewrite > (and reuse)." -- Eric S. Raymond > > -- > Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (SineSwiper@ResonatorSoft.com) Speaking of Opensource: If you guys wanna have a good laugh, check out http://microsoft.eu.org Do it as long as it's there! ;-D It might be damn slow as it runs on a 64k-line, but there's not much data to be transferred anyway! 8) DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:34:19 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Message Boards > ".." wrote: > > > > If i set an UBB message board that wasn't censored with no ads would you > > all be interested in it? UBB is similar to what DVDtalk.com runs. Nice > > setup. Would be nice to have an open message board to discuss anything > > without censorships. Cuz i frankly dont care. > > Please take a look at RPGBoard. It's, in a lot of ppl's opinion, the > best MB out there. It's on my site at > http://www.ResonatorSoft.com/software/rpgboard/ > > I'm not tooting my own horn just for my ego, but I'd hate to see you get > one of those damn UBB or WWWThread boards. > Nopes, the best one there is is BurgBBS! 8) A true BBS-like board in Perl (even featuring oneliners!)... I think it's at http://www.scs-trc.net/sh DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:52:04 EST From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Music Industry Alright, not to kiss ass but, why is it that everytime we have an argument, and we sort of spat around at each other about a topic, and a psuedo-flamewar starts, Deekay always steps up and sets the record straight? People, he's definitely correct about MP3s and the music industry. I mean, there's no contesting it. The music industry is fucking us, and we sit here and protect our beloved artists. The artists know this, but they have no choice. Orbital just wouldn't have the resources available to start an indepedent, a true independent. Besides, as far as they're concerned everyone is winning. :-) But they still support corrupting the music industry, I believe. Of course they're not going to be vocal about it, but they're going to be ambiguous as well! :-) Alright, enough of this. Axis awaits... Peace, Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:03:50 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Orbital-Circle discovered! When making some logo and scanning for some useful shit just now i=20 realized that The Orbital Circle is actually a part of the=20 Windings-Font! 8) It's the Cent-sign =A2 and it can be typed by holding=20 the alt-key and typing 0162!.. I've checked the proportions, and it is the EXACT same thing! 8))) That's pretty funny actually! 8) And it eases things up pretty much when doing orbital-related stuff,=20 hehe!.. Finally the circle is scalable(font!) in Photoshop 5+! ;-D DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:03:50 +0000 From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. > The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have > to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. I just re-read that, lemme rephrase it: The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i want to support them as much as possible, and with the old rotten structures that are still established buying their CDs is the only way! DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:45:44 -0500 From: "KELL SIMON" Subject: (orbital) fs quick fs list. $8 each including shipping. Mu-ziq - brace yourself autechre - tri repeate ++ underworld - beaucoup fish jega - spectrum alex reece - so far deep dish - junk science mike oldfield - the bell (cds) fila brazilia - mess (uk) asian dub foundation - rafi's revenge ebtg - walking wounded system 7 - fire & water artificial intelligence ii (warp) dj soul slinger - don't believe photek - risk vs. reward mercury rev - deserter's songs photek - form & function speedy j - gspot (2cd, one is live) oakenfold - tranceport total science vol. 1 (1995 or so uk dnb comp w/ roni size, "dillinger") v classic (konkrete jungle comp w/ roni size, goldie, dillinjah, krust = etc) stereolab - dots & loops boards of canada - music has the right... email kas@gswc.com=20 thanks = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:29:37 GMT From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: (orbital) available bootleg MP3s on Marc's server Hi, just a quick note that anxious awaiters of the Roskilde show can now get almost all of it from Marc's server. the tracks uploaded until now in (/Upload) are : Orbital - Dr Who (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Chime (full live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Way Out (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - I Don't Know You People (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Halcyon (live in Roskilde '99) Orbital - Impact (Roskilde is burning '99) If things go fast like now, I may even upload them all by the end of the day. Regards, Trym Trym Asserson - 'Apollo' - apollo_project@hotmail.com Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:38:23 -0500 From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) the ever-ongoing mp3-discussion.. I didn't want to get into this, but all of DK's arguments leave out the division between our music and major label music. > The fact remains - these fucks make 95% profit of someone else's > creativity!.. And as far as i am concerned they can completely go to > hell!.. ALL of the majors! Unfortunately it won't happen! > NOBODY needs them! > WHAT for would we need them??? MUSIC will always be there, will > always find a way!.. What's this weird thinking that an artist needs > a record label to become popular? Hasn't especially ORBITAL proven > the exact opposite?? You seem to be saying that the artist deserves 100% of the profit. This is quite frankly, extremely stupid. Would you say the engineers who worked on the BMW M3 deserve every penny from every M3 ever sold? No, because they weren't the only people involved. In fact, their job was the easiest economically. They did the creation, but now the company has to actually move those cars. They gotta build the factories, pay to keep them operating, hire machinists, and get the cars shipped to dealers (who then mark up the price again to cover their expenses.) I realize what you're going to say to this, that the analogy I made is idiotic because artists can put stuff out on the web with no distribution costs. That's wrong though. They still have to pay for bandwith, servers, a web design team, etc. You also seem to be saying that artists are locked into signing to a major label and releasing their stuff the traditional way... You said "music will find a way." The fact is, music already has, but it's not the way you want. If you want as much money from your purchase as possible to go to the artist, then buy direct from the label, or from independent and local record stores. You should find that the prices are much cheaper than what you'd pay at the mall. > Remember: The Artists hate the record industry, and so do we... > Why on earth should we support them in ANY way at all?? I wouldn't say that. If they hated it, they either wouldn't be part of it, or they'd ignore it. > The only thing I'm buying is Orbital, and that's just because i have > to, with the old rotten structures still established!.. > > Maybe mainstream will go away!.. Maybe there'll be a MULTITUDE of > bands suddenly and nobody knows anymore who's hip and trendy... but > is that really bad??? 8) Couldn't we all do SOOO fucking well without > all these artificial shit-bands, boy-, girl- and hermaphroditegroups > and this shit? >:-) The mainstream will always be there. Most of us [on this list] live outside of it. Looking at the CDs on my desk, listen to the label names: Interdimensional Transmission, Nothing, Mad Monkey, Car Park, Mego, Broklyn Beats, Planet e, Skam, Sulphur, V/Vm, Ninja Tune, Planet Mu, and Caipirinha. How many of them would *you* call mainstream? One or two for the Americans, and maybe three or four for the British? This stuff's out there. Search for it, then support the stuff you like. Just because it's not sold at fucking Sam Goody doesn't mean it's not available. > The basic principle that the RIIA just seems to be unable to grasp > ist the sheer possiblility of digital copies. I copy from someone > else and have the exact same thing!.. That's generally VERY hard to > get ahold of for the human mind! 8) In ALL other areas of life, if i > take something away from someone, i have it and he hasn't! and if i > copy it it's lossy copying, that means it's just not the original! > but with digital copying that's completely different. > The presence of digital copies being there moves the power away from > the producers towards the consumer, and this is something that we've > all been waiting for for quite some time now!.. I CAN buy some > software if i wanna use it, but i don't HAVE to... I CAN buy an Album > if i want it but i don't HAVE to! And all this without STEALING from > anone! 8) That section actually made me laugh out loud. The thing is, you're not god damned entitled to hear these records! You're not entitled to use that software! No one owes you anything. It's all just a long winded self-absolving way of saying "this music isn't worth paying for. The artist does not deserve any of my money." If that wasn't the way you felt, you'd suck it up like the rest of us and buy the CDs until something better came along. And yes, you do *HAVE* to. Otherwise you're breaking the law. The only way I will ever download an MP3 without payment is if there is no way the artist would otherwise received my money (this includes mainly OOP material - stuff that completely sold out it's print run, and is now only available used. Also included is unreleased material (eg the three new songs BoC played at New Year's)) or material was released on the label's web page for free. Hugs and kisses, Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #312 *****************************