From: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com (orbital-digest) To: orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: orbital-digest V2 #420 Reply-To: orbital-digest Sender: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-orbital-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-NoArchive: yes orbital-digest Friday, May 11 2001 Volume 02 : Number 420 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:41:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Ben Knowles Subject: (orbital) confield > Autechre - Confield...its not for everyone but i think its quite a class > album. Its a grower so whoever deleted it after 30 seconds should be > called Nob not Nub ;) I know you said it wasnt a proper assessment but nob? is that a british thing? > at least listen to it properly and give it a go. It may not be your > thing but imagine writing music for a year and then someone dismissing > it after 30 seconds :) rant over. ouch, a stab from the man steve himself! well, i'll have to defend myself then. there was an interview with 1/2 of autechre (can't remember if it was rob or sean) posted to idm-l where they talked about how they're creating music these days - basically they're writing little codes in max/msp that create iterative, ever-changing loops of sound that they just let evolve for a while, and then call that a track. here's my response to that: pbpbpptphthptt!!! that's not music! that may be interesting as a science project, or if they released the CODE as opposed to the music that the code makes, but shit man, that's not composition! i like my music to be carefully composed and sequenced the "old-fashioned way" - not accidently spat out of a random number generator. everyone is going on and on about how way ahead of everyone autechre is, and i just gotta laugh. they wrote a code! not music, code! if you find that it's interesting to listen to, fine, but i don't. i feel like i can see right through the little game, and it's no fun if there's no actual human behind the machine, ya know what i'm sayin? and just so you know, i downloaded some of the tracks again to give it a second chance. still don't like it, but i'll keep trying... for a few minutes at least. :) only barely related to this is that i saw cronenberg's "eXistenZ" last night. INSANE movie, serious mindfuck. it's like the matrix but from an entirely different approach, and with a slightly smaller budget. :) but there was a lot of stuff they pulled off way better than the matrix could ever hope. great stuff, see it. (also filled with weird cronenbergian biopod creatures and lots of blood, just the way you'd expect.) - -nob! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) autechre live sorry that this is soooo off topic, but is there anyone other than anthony and don that are going to see autechre this friday in chicago? if so, tell me, we're tryin to get a small meetup goin. has anyone seen any of their shows as of late? just curious about what i should expect/prepare myself for. also, i was talking to the US rep at Warp today, he said Plaid and Squarepusher will be doin a US tour sometime around august. just thought i'd mention it for anyone who may be interested (like i was). later brandon ps- i was beginning to suspect that Ae didn't fully compose their music. ep7 sounded a little too much like fractal music to me; fractal music being music created using fractal patterns or something to that extent. there's a few web pages out there that'll convert your ISP# to a song, but they're mostly shitty. yeah. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:03:23 -0700 From: "Kevin Gomes" Subject: Re: (orbital) confield basically they're writing little codes in > max/msp that create iterative, ever-changing loops of sound that they just > let evolve for a while, and then call that a track. here's my response to > that: pbpbpptphthptt!!! that's not music! that may be interesting as a > science project, or if they released the CODE as opposed to the music that > the code makes, but shit man, that's not composition! i like my music to > be carefully composed and sequenced the "old-fashioned way" - not > accidently spat out of a random number generator. I think you must have misread this, not saying that you did though. It just seems rather odd that Ae after all of these years would stop writing music and let their pc's do it for them. I think probably what it is, is that they write for instance a drum loop, and then through it into their program and let it develop in a random way. However, they are still writing the initial loop. That's not that different than throwing filters over top of something. Also, I don't think it would be possible for a random code to be able to produce melodies and tunes. Aphex twin has been trying to make a program that will randomly write an entire song for years and never achieved it, and he's a genius! (literally) I know some Ae music sounds like it could be completely random, but some of it has total form and soul, something that random code can never have. I haven't heard Confield yet, so I can't fully make a comment. But, I cannot believe that there songs are nothing more than random pieces of code. However, I have thought for a long time that Sean and Rob actually died a long time ago, and warp records built robots to take their place. So maybe Sean and Rob are in fact just spitting out pieces of random code. Hehe. But seriously, if they are doing stuff like this, which I believe you when you say that they are, I cannot believe that the entire song is just randomly evolving code. Anyone who has ever played code through speakers will know that it does not have a melody! I have, so I know. Sorry for the rant, it's just I admire Ae a lot. When I hear songs like Vletrmx21, Bike and Nil, it makes me realize how incredible they really are, and I hate to see them downplayed. take care kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 23:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) Re: confield (fractal music) > Also, I don't think it would be possible > for a random code to be > able to produce melodies and tunes. Aphex twin has > been trying to make a > program that will randomly write an entire song for > years and never achieved > it, and he's a genius! (literally) i know i mentioned it before but here's a link: http://bfws7e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~kinderma/musinum/InternetMusic.html it's not purely random music, but it's damn close. this site creates music based on fractal patterns using your isp as a seed value. unfortunately, it's midi so it generally sounds like shite. but yeah, it just shows that "random" music can be generated to a certain extent. sometimes (and just sometimes), it sounds like something off of ep7, but that's just me. diggit brandon.i __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:04:00 +0200test From: Trym Asserson Subject: (orbital) Charting the unknown Hey all, In need of some help with the various genres that can be "classified" subgenres of drum'n'bass. To go I've noted down something like hard-step, tech-step, jump-up, ragga, jazz-step, atmospheric/ambient. If any of these were wrongly "termed" or you got a few more to add to the list, please let me know. I appreciate it may not be interesting to all, so in that case reply privately. Thanks, Trym . o 0 (trym - teeba@start.no <> jazzistant@start.no) - ------------------------------------------------------------ Få din egen @start.no-adresse gratis på http://www.start.no/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:44:53 -0400 From: "Brandon" Subject: (orbital) OT in terms of orbital, but not music Any of ya heard of VA-Superstrings? I've been trying do find the album however I can't find it anywhere. Online or in my local dj stores. If any of ya know where I can get a copy, can ya tell me where? Thanx # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------ End of orbital-digest V2 #420 *****************************