From: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com (port-charles-digest) To: port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: port-charles-digest V1 #11 Reply-To: port-charles-digest Sender: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk port-charles-digest Thursday, January 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 011 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:04:41 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: Tony and Bobbie At 06:52 PM 12/30/97 -0500, Donald K Gooden wrote: >I am so glad that Guza is back. Have I said that >already? I am so glad that General Hospital is getting good again. I don't >know if you all noticed, but it was getting boring there for awhile. Actually, I'd say that GH spent MONTHS being insufferable to the point of unwatchable much of the time. And I agree, I'm glad things are improving. Very, very glad. Taiyin "Been held-up at gun point by your mother lately?" -- AJ to Ned - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:11:54 -0500 From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: GH/PC: SPOILERS part one Sorry these are late. I know that it ia already the middle of the week. Jamila S P O I L E R S P A C E > > > > Scoop Celebration - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Alexis tells Stefan the truth, but he still won't have anything to do with her. Nikolas gives Lucky a break. Jason, Brenda and Jax have a heated confrontation. Mac calls Felicia, but he is quickly cut off. Carly's baby faces a life-and-death struggle. Stefan asks Katherine to take a big step. Nikolas and Sarah can't connect. Elizabeth frets when Lucky is a no-show. Brenda fears for her health, but Jax finds a way to lift her spirits. Bobbie has a profound experience without even realizing it. Felicia fights with "Mac". Tony and Jason argue over Carly's baby. A.J. makes a decision to protect his family. Carly has an emotional experience. Edward makes Emily a shocking offer. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- On Monday, Alexis finishes telling Stefan the secret that she's his sister but he doesn't believe her. Stefan refuses to look at her proof thinking she could have easily forged the documents. Alexis pleads for him to help her and that she's afraid Helena will kill her. Stefan tells her to go to her friend, Luke, for protection, if she needs it. --- Carly lies unconscious at Jason's Penthouse, and gives birth today. On Tuesday, Tess has special plans for Mac, involving a razor. Mac manages to dial Felicia but will he be able to warn her before Tess returns? --- Carly's baby has a heart problem and Carly slips into a coma, needing emergency surgery. On Wednesday, Jax is determined for Brenda to enjoy New Year's Eve. J&B spend the holiday together without champagne, tuxedos or evening dresses. For the first time in weeks, Brenda laughs and appears almost happy. --- Tony discovers the baby's blood type and learns the baby is NOT his. Nik returns home to find Sarah and it's not a happy reunion. --- The Q's converge on the neo-natal unit and argue about the future of Carly's baby. If the Thursday and Friday updates are available, they will be posted Thursday morning. Alert Monday Jason is horrified at what he finds when he returns home. Carly's son is born, Bobbie is unaware that she is holding her grandchild Tuesday Bobbie makes a plea for Carly, as Carly lies close to death. Wednesday Stefan's request shocks Katherine. Thursday GH will be pre-empted. Friday Brenda has a violent reaction when she hears some distressing news. Tony will get surprising results. Carly breaks down when she sees her son for the first time. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Coming Soon Carly makes a shocking decision. Jason has an unexpected visitor. Brenda's paranoia escalates. Tony vows revenge on Jason. Brenda confides in Robin. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:15:40 -0500 From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: GH/PC: spolers part two Most of these has already been played this week, but it offers Jackie Zeman's insight to the Carly thing. Jamila S P O I L E R S P A C E > > > > > As The New Year Begins Helena and Stefan are both focused on Nikolas' well-being, but these have different methods of handling such matters of importance. Helena wants a secret alliance with Katherine, who feels that silence is not golden and wants to tell all to Stefan. She might *want to,* but will she is the question and Helena warns Katherine: "piss me off and pay the consequences." Jason rebuffs Brenda and tells her that avenging Sonny won't bring him back into her life: "face facts, he's gone ... period, end of discussion." Completely thrown by what Jason says, Brenda begins to believe that she's completely losing it. When Jax returns to the cottage he finds Jason and Brenda alone, and both men perceive Brenda's problems different. One believe things are rooted in her heart whereas the other feels they come from her head. Brenda receives a call from the one person who fully understands what it means to lose someone you love: Robin, and her spirits are momentarily lifted, but not for long. Although he remains by her side "through thick and thin," Jax watches Brenda's emotional state slowly unravel. Like pulling the stitches out of a knit sweater, Brenda's behavior goes from good to bad and finally to worse. Convinced that Sonny is out to destroy her life one way or the other, Brenda's paranoia culminates in an action which could make her a danger to herself or to others, Jax sees what the problems are and tells Brenda that she will have to face her problems head on if she is ever to get well. When Jason returns to the penthouse he finds Carly lying in her pool of blood and calls the paramedics to rush her to GH. Upon arrival, Carly is prepared for surgery and she begs Bobbie not to let anyone take her baby. A short time later, Bobbie holds the newborn totally unaware that this is her grandson, and at the same time Carly goes into cardiac arrest. Looking back on her own life, Bobbie pleads with Jason to not allow a hysterectomy to be performed. More problems arise when the newborn needs surgery, and Jason and Tony argue over the proper medical treatment --- but it is Jason who makes the final decision. Following surgery, Tony discovers that he is not the child's biological father. Bobbie shares the news of the baby's paternity with the Q's, and Edward makes plans of his own for the new Quartermaine heir ... plans which irk Emily. When Carly awakens she believes that her child is dead, but is reassured by both Bobbie and Jason that her child did not die. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Bobbie Helps Carly Deliver Her Baby on GH Carly's stressful pregnancy ends with the emergency delivery of her son this week on GH. Immediately, both mother and child face medical crises, and Bobbie, who has no idea she is the baby's grandmother - winds up with the newborn baby in her arms. Jason rushes Carly to the hospital after having found her at home passed out in a pool of blood. Bobbie, who is on duty, scrubs for surgery, and a terrified Carly begs her not to let anyone take her baby. Despite their bitter history, Bobbie tries to do the right thing not only for the child but for Carly, convincing Jason not to allow doctors to give her a hysterectomy. "Bobbie bonds with the baby immediately in an uncanny, very strange way," Jacklyn Zeman says. "She says, 'Oh, I bond will all the babies I deliver' even though she doesn't actually deliver this one -- but there is a genetic pull which can't be explained. I think it's also the first time Bobbie sees the vulnerability in Carly, and as much as they have been at war with one another, and there's been so much dysfunction in the relationship, Bobbie really understands when Carly says "Don't let them hurt my baby. Don't let them take my baby." That really opens up Bobbie's heart to her, and she sees her on a different level." Things take a turn for the worse after the delivery when Carly goes into cardiac arrest and the baby develops a problem. Jason finds himself in the middle of both situations, and does battle with Tony over the proper course of treatment for the child. Surgery proves successful, but also provides the answer Tony has dreaded: that he cannot possibly be the father. Bobbie feels very sad for Tony, but her sympathies and allegiance are with the mother, having been there herself (as an unwed mother whose child - Carly - was taken away from her at birth). Bobbie is totally in sync with Carly being the mother, and maybe Tony was excited about the baby and did spend all those months thinking it was his, but in reality it's not. The fact that he spend nine months preparing for the baby and wanting it doesn't mean he gets to keep it, because it's not his. Although Zeman thinks Tony feels betrayed by Bobbie, she doesn't think she is taking sides. "It's just so simple to Bobbie: What's right is right, and that is that you've got to give the real parents a chance. Carly doesn't deserve to have her baby taken from her and Tony is really set to do this custody battle. That's something you can't win unless you fight dirty and tell lies, because Carly really hasn't done anything wrong. She lied to him, but there's no law against that. Tony made his bed and now he has to lie in it. It's not Carly's fault that Tony threw away his wholel ife, his wife and family, and is now looking around and saying, "Oh gee, I gave up everything." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- SOW Editors Resolutions For Soaps If They Were Writer's/Producers Bring back Laura to complicate the Stefan/Katherine love story. Bring back Lois. Put Jax and Brenda together soon, or give him a new love interest. With the battle lines once again drawn between the Cassadines and the Spencers, give us a Robin/Nikolas romance, a Luke/Alexis affair, and the Stefan is Nikolas' father reveal. Pursue a Jason/Carly/AJ triangle. Don't stop Alan's drug story until he hits rock bottom. And Bob Guza: Vacation anywhere you want but the "Beach." - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:24:39 -0500 From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: GH/PC: spoilers Port Charles S P O I L E R S P A C E > > > Well Well! You might not want to read these. They have a particularly disturbing spoiler about L and K. It is about Rex and Lucy's kiss, but there is something else. Jamila Scoop Celebration - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Dominique takes Scott on an incredible journey. Kevin and Lucy argue over her methods for entrapping Rex, but soon find an enjoyable way to make up. Frank and Julie's romantic evening is interrupted by a minor crisis. Joe and Karen's latest mishap leaves them with only the bare essentials. Scott throws a New Year's Eve party that gets most of PC in a romantic move. Lucy reverts to her old ways to win Rex over, and gets more than she bargained for. Chris makes Eve an offer that she can't refuse. Matt makes his move. Ellen's younger brother, Winston, arrives in Port Charles with two issues: Ellen's estrangement from her mother, and the story behind Ellen's mysterious husband who died. Frank and Julie take a major step. Lark moves into the Scanlon home, and gives both brothers plus Julie a run for their money. Chris tries to delve into Matt's past. Dominique says goodbye. Rex steals something from Lucy. Both Karen & Joe as well as Frank & Julie spent the night together, but only one couple make love. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Dominique is the Ghost of Christmas Past as she takes Scott on a special journey, to help him understand what changes he has to make in order to offer Serena the best future. Along the way Scott learns that he must open his head and heart to love again. Scott , taking his cue from Dominique, hosts a New Year's Eve party and shares a passionate kiss with Eve. If he had his way, Scott would've stayed in Canada living alone with his daughter. He is involved with friends and family now because of the bind he is in. What he did not realize is that children learn from example. And the example that he has shown Serena is that he is always looking back, constantly regretting the past. Scott probably would've ignored Dominique's plea if he thought only his own future was in danger. But seeing the effect of his attitude on the people around him, especially Serena, spurs him into action. Opening his house up to friends and family, he's going to begin opening himself up emotionally to other people. In truth, he is terribly attracted to Eve. As the clock strikes 12, it doesn't look like Scott & Eve are on the brink of a romantic relationship: She is kissing Chris. Chris grabs her and Scott looks over and feels a pang of jealousy. He looks back to hug someone else, then he and Eve wind up next to each other, and it is a spontaneous kiss, but they are both aware of what's happening. Ellen and Matt are also at the party. Earlier in the evening, Matt kisses Grace, but at midnight he happens to be talking to Ellen, who previously had rejected his overtures. Grace is talking to someone else. He's not seeking Ellen out; it's just a situation. Frank and Julie also find themselves well situated to take their relationship to the next stage. With all that Julie has been through in the past six months, she is not really ready for a serious relationship. She is afraid that Frank is looking for something more serious. In truth, Frank is no more ready for commitment than Julie is, which they discover when they finally broach the subject. Once they resolve that issue, they are ready to take the next step, and they make love for the first time. Joe & Karen, alone at his friend's cabin, are forced to ring in the New Year in front of a roaring fire, naked, after their clothes get soaked. So now you take one young couple with eyes for each other . Throw in some sexual tension ... no electricity ... a leak in the closet which drenches their clothing ... add a cozy blanket and a roaring fire ... and then top it off with no condoms, and what do you get? There's just so much patience that anyone has, and Kevin is about to run out as "Juicy Lucy" plans to put the moves on Rex, whom she believes is totally unsuspecting - but won't she be surprised! Anger and fear turn to passion, and Kevin & Lucy make passionate love. Later on, Kevin's worries surface again when he knows that Lucy will be toasting the new year with Rex. ... and Rex certainly wants to start the new year off "with a bang" when he confiscates Lucy's fertility pills before preparing to trip the light fantastic. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Alert Monday Lucy comes on to Rex. Tuesday Dominique takes Scott on a journey that will change his life. Frank and Julie receive an unexpected house guest. Wednesday Romance runs rampant all over town. Matt surprises Ellen on New Year's Eve. Thursday PC will be pre-empted. Friday Eve catches Julie in a compromising situation. Kevin watches as Lucy and Rex kiss. Dominique says goodbye to Scott and Serena. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Coming Soon Ellen's past comes into focus for Matt. Rex puts Lucy's life in danger. The Scanlon brothers clash over their father. Lucy's testimony hurts Scott's case. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:42:59 -0500 From: "Mary Lu" Subject: GH/PC: GH: Thoughts on Tony/AJ/Jason spoiler space ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; I hope that's enough..... Ok, I'm probably going to write something that most people won't agree with (since I seem to detect A LOT of pro Carly/AJ talk... not altogether bad, but people are being almost venomous against AJ and Tony. I am going to write in defense of their actions... Tony. So, I feel sort of sorry for the guy. When you have been acting like a total jerk for so long and are starting to come around to what a pathetic life you have been living for the past two years (and even longer) it is REALLY going to hurt. I will never, ever forget the scenes he had when BJ died. I think those defined his character since then. He is ruthless when he tosses women out (and I can't forget that, either), but this guy has had reasons for acting like he has. Then, for seven months he has been looking forward to a new baby. Forget how he treated Carly (and I do believe it was terrible), but if I had to go through the hopes and joys surrounding the promise of a new baby that I thought was my own flesh and blood, it would take me a lot longer than a month to get over it. This guy looks like he is heading for one HUGE mid-life crisis to hit and he has NO ONE that in any way, shape or form, is going to give him any sympathy for. If the writers play it right, Brad Maule may have another emmy nomination performance coming up. The look on his face today when he knew that the baby was NOT his... this guy is going to be heading for a bigger dose of reality than he may ever have had to deal with, barring BJ's death. This may very well get him past that and finally on with the rest of his life... and maybe I could enjoy his scenes again. I would be more interested in this particular breakdown than the one Brenda is going through because I can relate to this one a bit more. I do agree with comments about his lack of perspective in the surgery needed for the baby, though. I thought his reaction was irrational, but he might have a hard time being rational about anything right now. The baby's needs should be first, however. How ironic, though, that the baby had a heart defect since BJ's heart is the only thing of her that remains alive at this time. AJ... Unless they are going to pull a fast one on us, AJ is definitely the father of that baby. I think the biological father has a right to know the baby if he has fought for that right all along. AJ is a perfect example of someone who possibly had his whole life screwed up because his own father never bonded with him in a way father's should bond. Why does everyone want AJ out of the picture as having any rights to the baby? The deed is done, the biology is there. We now have daddy AJ. I think he would make a great father. His comments about his needing to be pealed off the ceiling of the waiting room during the baby's surgery were very appropriate and natural. I only wish he would stand up to Jason and the rest of the Q's and tell them WHY he believes so strongly that he is the real father. The lack of a strong enough backbone is the biggest flaw I see in the AJ character at this time. Jason... I love his scenes with Carly. No doubt about it, the scenes are terrific. It would be more interesting to me, in a way, if he were the father, but he isn't and knows it. But that is why those scenes work so well. If I had any doubt that he was the father and a mobster at the same time, I would be out of there in a minute. No baby is safe around that group. As long as the mob keeps missing with their bullets and others get killed, how could Carly assume that she and the baby are safe? My maternal instincts would kick in and I would be out of there! (An aside... Jason and Carly remind me of Scotty/Lucy, the early years, in how they relate to each other. I have my fingers crossed, but can't reconcile the mob business.) None of this is meant to criticize the writers in this storyline. I like the present writing as it leaves so much material to work with. I LOVE the twists that the story has taken! I love how many people are affected by all this and I really, really loved Luke's reaction in the hospital when he was looking in on Carly. He cares and we know it. I wanted him to blurt out the whole relationship to the Q clan (aren't they going to be surprised!) but settled for his wishes for a happy new year to the whole blood-sucking Quartermaine family! Dealing with Jason as his nephew's supposed father also tightens that relationship for the time being, only Jason knows that it is all fiction. This is easily the most interesting storyline to come out of GH in a long while for me. Theoretically, it should be hard for the writers to blow it. I wouldn't put it past them, however. Mary Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:13:19 -0500 From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: GH/PC: Carly/Jason/Robin Most of you will probably disagree with this, but oh well. I wish that Robin were out of the picture. I know that you all have have high hopes for Jason and robin. However I think that Carly and Jason have a kind of chemistry that Robin and Jason don't have. I not saying that they don't have any chemistry together, it is just that there relationship is just so sappy. I really loved Robin and Stone, but Jason and Robin hold no appeal for me. I hoping that the writers will eventually put Jason and Carly in a romantic relationship. I mean Kimberly McCoulough took a semester of from school to do GH, but she will have to go back eventually. She can't just keep taking semesters off to give Robin's relationship with Jason a little boost. The writers at GH would make a very good investment if they kept the ties between Jason and carly very strong. I almost wish that Jason, Carly, and baby could be one big happy family. Jamila - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:16:48 -0500 From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH: Thoughts on Tony/AJ/Jason Mary Lu wrote, >spoiler space >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; > >Ok, I'm probably going to write something that most people won't agree with >(since I seem to detect A LOT of pro Carly/AJ talk... Pro AJ /Carly?? Do you mean Pro Carly/Jason? I used to be a Pro AJ/Carly but that was awhile ago. >AJ... Unless they are going to pull a fast one on us, AJ is definitely the >father of that baby. Jason... I love his scenes with Carly. No doubt about it, the scenes are >terrific. It would be more interesting to me, in a way, if he were the >father, but he isn't and knows it. Mary Lu, It is interesting that you should mention that. It is funny, but for the past few days I for some reason have been believing that Jason could actually be the father. I mean I know that he isn't. It is just that this charade is being played so well that one can almost believe. When I saw that promo commercial for the show when AJ tells Jason that now that Tony is out of the running it was just them two left I actually caught myself thinking "Please let it be Jason, Please let Jason be the Father" Then I remembered that that was impossible. I also want to say something against AJ. It is the same thing that I said against Tony. When AJ found the Carly almost died there was no reaction from him. He actually kept on talking about how conniving she is. I am not saying she isn't conniving, but AJ did have good feelings for her. At one point he generally cared for her. Even if you get really angry with someone you still feel something for them if they are practically on their deathbed. I also liked Luke's reaction to carly and the whole situation. He does genuinely care about her. I think that it will be very good when the truth about Carly's parentage comes out. After Bobbie sorts out whatever she might feel, The Three Spencers Carly/Luke/Bobbie will be a force to be reckoned with. I can actually see Uncle Luke going to bat for Caroline if any tried to take his grandnephew away from the family. If that is the way it plays out that would be so fun to watch. A Spencers united storyline would be very interesting to watch. Jamila - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:50:00 -0500 From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: GH/PC: Rumors I was at the GH hotline, and I found this. I thought it was kind of cute so I thought I would share. Which of the following do you think are most plausible, and which do you think could never happen in a million years. Jamila Rumors ... Rumors This floor is slowly becoming almost as popular as the scoops, and it's easy to see why. The items here are great. But please keep in mind that all of the items on this page are just rumors. They have appeared in chat rooms and on message boards, as posted by the fans. None of this has appeared in any magazines, and as of this writing there is no "engraved in stone" confirmation for any of them. Many of them are quite plausible while others might make your nose crinkle a bit as you giggle. Believe or disbelieve them, at your own discretion ... >Carly's next ploy for sympathy (when she returns in Feb) will be to fake blindness. >Jerry Jax will soon be in town, and will promptly fall in love with Brenda. >Stefan will fly in some employees of ELQ Jakarta to stage an embarrasing stike at ELQ headquarters. >AJ decides to find Carly- and stalks her movements in Cyberspace -- following the trail of mysterious e-mails she is sending to someone unknown ... he finds her working in a Pretzel factory >Jagger returns to PC to reclaim Brenda.......this reignites the Jagger/Brenda/Karen triangle and leaves Jax out in the cold. >Carly's baby is born with a heart condition which is exactly the same as the one AJ was born with. >Brenda watches the TV Movie Lucy and Desi and has another breakdown when she believes that "Desi" is actually Sonny. >Luke has been away from Laura so long, that when he cracks and nearly has an affair with Alexis, he discovers that he has become impotent and has to undergo hormone therapy to restore his virility. >Alexis will join Luke and will play both ends against the middle in a bid to save her life. Helena believes Alexis is doing her dirty work, but all the while Alexis is reporting to Luke. >Carly is in big trouble and who is there but Bobbie ... who hears Carly whisper, "I am Caroline." >Bobbie and Tony get back together. >Brenda reads an item in the Port Charles Herald which says that Sonny married a casino showgirl, and she completely freaks out. She will be committed to the psych unit and Jax will not be allowed to see her, since the doctors will blame him completely for her losing it. >Lila will suffer a major health crisis. >Ned receives a letter from Lois telling him that she is going to get remarried, and the guy's real name is Eddie Maine. >Jason hits his head and thinks he is a rock star. He hits the road with Eddie Maine, leaving the entire empire to Carly. >Stefan gets poked in the eye and has to wear a black patch. >Katherine will get pregnant with Stefan's child, and Helena will tell Katherine that if she does not get an abortion then Helena will kill the child the moment it is born. She wants to make sure that Nikolas is the heir apparent. >Helena sets her sights on Edward Q. >Carly was molested as a child, and that is why her adoptive parents divorced. >Carly will name the baby Morgan Morgan. >Ned and Lois are forming a new business in Russia. >Luke will be determined to be Nicholas' father, Stefan will be in shock, Helena will be at her wits end and Alexis will take over the family. >Sarah and Lizzie's mother will return to Port Charles and accuse Audrey of letting the girls run wild. >General Hospital will enter into the New Year with peace on earth ... for 24 hours. >Alexis and Luke will plot to take over the Cassadine fortune. >Alexis will steal Stefan's computer. >Stefan will throw his affair with Laura up in Luke's face. Luke is so devastated that he has an affair with Alexis, who conceives his child. >Luke will ask Jason to get out of the bar business. >Lucky will not accept the fact that Nicholas is his brother. >Alexis will prove her wits will be her best asset as she goes head to head with the other Cassadines. >Sonny will return and try to take back the business from Jason, who tells Sonny that he's not giving up the empire and he will kill Sonny first. >Jason will have fun being a father after Carly leaves. He will change diapers will the best of them. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:32:03 -0500 From: "Mary Lu" Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH: Thoughts on Tony/AJ/Jason :>Ok, I'm probably going to write something that most people won't agree with :>(since I seem to detect A LOT of pro Carly/AJ talk... : :Pro AJ /Carly?? Do you mean Pro Carly/Jason? I used to be a Pro AJ/Carly but :that was awhile ago. Jamilla, Mea culpa, on this one! You caught me! Is my face red! Mary Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:49:56 -0500 From: "Mary Lu" Subject: Re: GH/PC: Carly/Jason/Robin > From: Donald K Gooden > To: port-charles@lists.xmission.com > Subject: GH/PC: Carly/Jason/Robin > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 5:13 PM > > Most of you will probably disagree with this, but oh well. I wish that Robin > were out of the picture. I know that you all have have high hopes for Jason > and robin. However I think that Carly and Jason have a kind of chemistry > that Robin and Jason don't have. I not saying that they don't have any > chemistry together, it is just that there relationship is just so sappy. I sort of agree with you on this one, although in a different way. I don't want Robin to be in this picture MUCH, except to use it as a springboard to bring Kimberly McCullough's talents to the surface in a story line that could take her to the very depths of her search for who she is. Take the sappiness away from her character. She doesn't have to turn into a deviant to have a meaty story, but they do have to give Robin many more dimensions than she has. Some of her best work was when she was angry at her Uncle Mac and doing things that were uncharacteristic of her, such as when she "borrowed" his car to go someplace she was forbidden to go. Let her do a lot more things like that. After all, this is that exact age in a person's life when that is most likely to happen. I won't say she needs to grow up because she has faced all sorts of terrible things already, but she needs to become her own person in her own right, not someone's daughter or niece or even someone's boyfriend. When Robin comes back, she will of course have to address the issue of Carly/Jason, use it and deal with it. Not having seen Robin and Nik together, I could think that there might possibly be a story line here... a Scorpio thrown into the Cassadine/Spencer feud, and, making Stefan even more upset, a Scorpio that is "damaged goods" in Stefan's eyes, unable to produce an heir, the only thing Stefan really, really wants from Nikolas! I cut my GH teeth on Robin, so I would like to see her back, but NOT with Jason. Robin has too delicious a past to keep having a sappy character line. Mary Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:59:07 -0500 From: "Mary Lu" Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH: Thoughts on Tony/AJ/Jason - ---------- > From: Donald K Gooden > To: port-charles@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH: Thoughts on Tony/AJ/Jason > Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 5:16 PM > >When AJ found the Carly almost died > there was no reaction from him. He actually kept on talking about how > conniving she is. I am not saying she isn't conniving, but AJ did have good > feelings for her. At one point he generally cared for her. Even if you get > really angry with someone you still feel something for them if they are > practically on their deathbed. I agree with you totally on this one. I still think that AJ could have feelings for Carly, though. I just don't want a tiny baby to be raised in such a dangerous atmosphere. I guess, though, that being a Quartermaine AND a Spencer, that is impossible to happen. Can we say "dysfunctional"? Since there really is no clear right/wrong with all of this, and no one is innocent as far as any of the parties go (but the baby), this DOES make good story-telling because it could all go in any direction from here. Seeing Jason as a father would definitely add dimension to HIS character. I already sympathize with Carly as the mother, even though I don't like how she managed the whole thing, but she firmly believes the ends justifies the means no matter how right or wrong she is. I can't wait until Alan realizes that AJ is the father of that precious bundle of joy he calls his grandson, and NOT the goldenboy son, Jason. Can you unbond from a grandson? I don't think so.... And, so far, everyone seems to have bonded to the boy but AJ, who hasn't seen him, yet, but still knows that he is either the father or the uncle to him! Mary Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:35:07 EST From: AnneBPT Subject: Re: GH/PC: Scott/Eve/Chris In a message dated 97-12-30 13:34:06 EST, sigmund@xmission.com writes: << >Lucy and Doc just don't belong with these people in my >opinion and I wish they would go back to GH with Scotty visiting the show >often. I miss Mac and Kevin. I'm with Taiyin on this: >> I'd rather have them on almost every day, with great dialogue and snappy raprte, but seperated from much of their old context, than back on GH, showing up once or twice a week as window dressing for the ongoing Spencer/Cassasinde, soon-to-include Quartermaine/Morgan war.<< This is much much better, I think. Kevin is on nearly every day. It's like a wonderful present to me after suffering his absence on GH. As for Mac, I would love if they just took him from GH and had him mainly on PC. Look what they are making him do now on GH, why not have him over to PC-- but Felicia can stay on GH thank you very much:-). Anne - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:35:07 EST From: AnneBPT Subject: Re: GH/PC: Scott/Eve/Chris In a message dated 97-12-30 13:34:06 EST, sigmund@xmission.com writes: << >Lucy and Doc just don't belong with these people in my >opinion and I wish they would go back to GH with Scotty visiting the show >often. I miss Mac and Kevin. I'm with Taiyin on this: >> I'd rather have them on almost every day, with great dialogue and snappy raprte, but seperated from much of their old context, than back on GH, showing up once or twice a week as window dressing for the ongoing Spencer/Cassasinde, soon-to-include Quartermaine/Morgan war.<< This is much much better, I think. Kevin is on nearly every day. It's like a wonderful present to me after suffering his absence on GH. As for Mac, I would love if they just took him from GH and had him mainly on PC. Look what they are making him do now on GH, why not have him over to PC-- but Felicia can stay on GH thank you very much:-). Anne - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:36:17 EST From: AnneBPT Subject: GH/PC: GH or PC? This question was posed on my other PC list and I wondered what everyone thinks on here. Which show is better right now-- GH or PC? Which do you prefer and why? Here's what I wrote comparing the two shows: I think PC is a LOT better than GH. This summer and fall it wasn't even worth considering--- PC was so far superior. Now GH is getting better, though I am not a member of the "Guza is God Club." GH is better now than it was before Guza returned, I'll give him that. But the show was so bad it wasn't hard to improve it some. BTW I'm finding right now it's not really the Brenda show totally, but the "Brenda, Carly, and Jason Show" You throw in a little Stefan and an almost evil Luke, and you have GH. Jason was interesting at first with his brain damage, but now he's too blank and one note. I hate all this "Jason doesn't lie" stuff because there is such a thing as a lie of omission. Carly despite her evil deeds, I tend to like, though she has been so over exposed I'm getting sick of her. Brenda and the insanity thing-- well I've had enough already. I am not thrilled with the vilification of Sonny and the all the anti Sonny propaganda we have to listen to spewing from Jax's mouth all the time. This leads me to something that worries me about Guza. He never has been good at telling a balanced tale. He shows his favorites every scene, every day for weeks and weeks. Then he'll give Monica (or Kevin and Lucy when they were on) a good day or two, as if a storyline is starting-- then you don't see them for three weeks again. He did this most notably with Jax, when he first came on. It made me crazy to see Jax daily and K&L maybe twice a month. It seems the Q's are getting the short end of it this time. I am interested though in a few storylines and I couldn't say that two months ago. I want to see what happens with the baby mainly. Who will end up with it? When will Bobbie find out about Carly? PC has better characters right now-- all around better and more fleshed out characters. In fact I like almost everyone on PC-- Julie is sometimes annoying, but other than that I'm happy. They have taken the time to let us get to know these characters. GH doesn't seem to be going all that deep into their characters lately. Guza has said himself, he wants things "larger than life." To me that does not bode well for a character driven storyline. I don't feel I know a lot of the GH characters as well as I did when the Labines were writing. PC has some romance(Kevin and Lucy, Karen and Joe, Frank and Julie) and some good potential romances(Matt and Ellen--or Grace, Eve and Scott-- or Chris). How about the Scott-Eve-Chris triangle potential? I mean this can be very very good. Like someone (Taiyin I think) said, this is one where it is hard to choose. I have waffled from one camp to the other on this, where I'm usually firmly on one side or the other. I like Eve with both of them. She has different relationships with each of them. GH right now is a wasteland in the romance department. I don't see any spark with Stefan and Kath, and they are probably the most "together" couple on GH right now. I did like the idea of Ned-Alexis, but that's shelved for now. What else is even on the horizion? Jax-Brenda redux? After she's all but admitted she never really loved him the first time. Maybe Jason-Robin? They left me cold this last time together in Paris, but I suppose it might be interesting to see what will happen with Carly thrown in the middle of their relationship. I'm sorry, but for me Nik-Sarah just doesn't light any fires LOL. Remember to that Guza's idea of grand romance was Tom and Felicia on the roof. And of course the never to be forgotten "honey" scene. I don't think he really gets romance. I like the friendship aspects of PC too. Karen and Julie, or Kevin and Elllen, Scott and Lucy, or Frank and Joe as brothers. All of the interns share a camaraderie that I really enjoy. A lot of time they honestly seem like REAL people, there is some fun, some teasing, some realistic dialogue. I like shows like Thanksgiving, or parties where they all get together. They do this kind of thing really well right now. GH ignores friendships pretty much these day-- other than Jax mooning after Brenda. I miss the kind of thing they had going with Brenda-Lois for instance. Or Kevin -Mac, Lucky-Emily even, Lucy-Luke, Tony-Alan, Laura-Mary Mae, on and on. Remember when all the guys would hang out in the Outback bar and talk about women(mainly Lucy)? How about Sonny-Luke, or Stone-Sonny, or for that matter Stone :-Luke -Mike -Kevin -Brenda -Ned -Lois. We have next to nothing in that vein on GH, but they are working on it with PC. Yeah I'd probably go along with you all and vote for a pretty quick end to the Rex thing. I don't find it as bad as everyone else I guess. I think it was a good idea to kick the show off, and probably Februar sweeps will see the end of it. We shall see Kevin and Lucy are having a little fun sneaking around. I like that of course:-). A lot of people seem annoying that Rex is on to them, but I am confident that in the end he won't be the winner. Maybe he doesn't have everything as well figured out as he thinks he does. See there's a difference between the shows for me right there-- I have a legitimate hope that the PC writers will think up something that might surprise me. I haven't regained that hope on GH yet. I like PC as a half hour show. I like the pace, I think things do move along just fine. I think some things others don't like maybe I do. I like a slow buiId for certain things. They have taken time with relationships so it makes you anxious for say Scott to kiss Eve, or something to happen with Matt and Ellen. I don't think there are any plans to lengthen the show. They wanted a half hour soap to sell overseas, where I guess half hour soaps are in demand. I do wish more affiliates would pick it up-- that's one big problem with the ratings. Anyhow to sum up this extremely long post: I'm starting to enjoy GH more, but I find it no contest that PC is the better soap right now-- FOR ME. JMHO, Anne(BTW I like AMC better than GH right now too) - - ------------------------------ End of port-charles-digest V1 #11 *********************************