From: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com (port-charles-digest) To: port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: port-charles-digest V1 #28 Reply-To: port-charles-digest Sender: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk port-charles-digest Tuesday, March 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 028 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:47:04 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: GH/PC: Jax and the Q boys It seems that Tony's case of terminal stupidity is contagious. Jax needs to be quarentined before it spreads even further. So let me get this straight: He plays "both ends against the middle" and starts creating dissention in the ranks throughout Jason's organization, right? FOR WHAT PURPOSE???? As I see it there are only a few possible outcomes. 1.) Jason's organization collapses into an internal war, in which case the docks turn into a war zone and the renovation plans get haulted for safety reasons. 2.) Jason quashes the situation and then is pissed and even less likely to cooperate. or 3.) Jason loses, someone ELSE comes into power, and then they have to negotiate the dock situation with an entirely unknown element. I think Mr. Blond baked his brains in the hot Australian Outback a little too long. And you know, this does remind me that I really DON'T like Jax and I never have. I have a problem letting my opinion of the actor influence my opnion of the character (and I do that with Nolan North/Chris Ramsey, too). And at Take a Chance Ingo was such a sweetie, that Jax stopped annoying me (except with Brenda), but after yesterday I realized that it wasn't Jax I was liking, it was Ingo. So, that's my declaration of the day: Scott seems to be trying to give up his matle of "Bonehead Kingpin" and Jas seems to have taken it over. HOWEVER, despite Jax annoying me to death, Ned/Jason, Justus/Jason and Justus/Jax rocked. And I adored Ned's warnings, especially the bit about Jason being a father now and needing to stick around for Michael's sake. I also thought it was very interesting the way that Jason came right out and asked Ned if he thought Jax would put a hit out on him, and even then Ned still couldn't use any truly specific terminology (aside from the fact that he doesn't REALLY know what Jax is going to do). He stuck with euphemisms like "by any means necessary" and "ruthless," etc. I thought it played very nicely into Justus' conversation with Jason, about living in a world where you know your enemies and people not smiling while they stick their knife in your back. Someone may be bad, but they aren't a hypocrite about it. Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:57:04 -0500 From: Cagey Subject: Re: GH/PC: Matt and Ellen Taiyin wrote: >(since Cagey must be REALLY busy, otherwise >I'm sure we would have heard her melting into a giddy puddle of goo). Oops. Hang on a sec.... Goooooop. Glippidy glooppidy gooooop. I've been busy. So sue me! >Though when Ramsey gets his butt kicked it'll make up for it. He's a dead man. I'm putting a hex on him . Scum. - --kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:49:27 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH SPOILERS At 09:50 AM 2/25/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote: > >l >o >o >k > >o >u >t > >b >e >l >o >w >. >. >. >. >. >Scoops for the week of March 2 > >Monday: Jax doesn't give Brenda the answer she wants Gee. Darn. Yawn. >Tuesday: Alan is on the hotseat when Taggert accuses him of taking pain >medication Wow! You mean Taggart is actually going to SOLVE a case??? Holy cow. Call the PC Herald! >Friday: Lucky learns the truth about his parents past-- from none other >than Nikolas OUCH!!! See Nik talk. See Lucky flip. See Spencers implode. See Cassadines smirk. >Alexis and Ned scam AJ on the job. Aleixs is joining Nedly in this? That's disappointing. >As Jason struggles to maintain his power base, Robin finds herself >getting more attached to Nikolas. Well, frankly, though I don't object to Nik and Robin, I am objecting SO MUCH to Robin these days, I'd actually rather she wasn't too involved with Jason. >Robin has another meeting with Carly and is hurt by Jason's treatment of >her afterwards. I really dislike this. They are making Robin so sanctimoious that she is forgetting some very basic truths -- not the least of which is that this is not her secret to tell. And if she starts making noise about blowing the secret out of the water, then she DESERVES what she gets. >Jason and Justus team up to keep Jax at bay. Can they beat him up in a dark alley while they're at it? >Robin will finally confront carly about AJ being Michael's real father-- >and she threatens that Carly had better tell AJ the truth before Jason >becomes even more attached to Michael. Robin will not tolerate Carly >using and hurting Jason like that. WHAT IS THIS MAN DOING TO ROBIN SCORPIO????? NOT amusing at ALL. >Jax is still jealous of Sonny and has carried those feelings of jealousy >and hatred to Jason! Well DUH! >ever the Knight in Shining Armour, He's going to fall on his sword one of these days. >whatever it takes to get what she wants.....and she hits Jax with a big >question/demand: "Either marry me today, or our relationship is over!" >The same wording Jax used when he asked her to marry him. Jax is taken >aback. How will he react?? It was inevitable. I knew eventually I would regret my self-restraint last month. Damn. I should have made obnoxious gagging noises or wailed in agony when Guza was discussing putting Jax and Brenda back together. >Jax answers Brenda's proposal Hasta la bye-bye, baby! >Two of the town's most influential families are victims of shocking >revelations Spencer and Cassadine or Spencer and Quartermaine? Nevermind, this is Guza we're talking about. It's got to be Spencer and Cassadine. Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:19:24 PST From: "Julie Saker" Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH SPOILERS taiyin wrote: >>l >>o >>o >>k >> >>o >>u >>t >> >>b >>e >>l >>o >>w >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >It was inevitable. I knew eventually I would regret my >self-restraint last month. Damn. I should have made obnoxious >gagging noises or wailed in agony when Guza was discussing putting >Jax and Brenda back together. i hate to say i told you so, but... :) oh well, look on the bright side. at least he supposedly turns DOWN this ludicrous proposal. sadly, i have NO faith that that means the end of this fiasco--just that it's going to drag things out a looooooooooooooong time towards the inevitable conclusion. >Spencer and Cassadine or Spencer and Quartermaine? Nevermind, this >is Guza we're talking about. It's got to be Spencer and Cassadine. too true. but, to give credit where credit is due, i think he's been doing an AMAZING job with the q's--ALL the q's--lately. ESPECIALLY yesterday! emily is managing to tread the fine line between righteous indignation and teenage brat quite nicely ("those of you in the kidnappers' wing"? LOL!) aj is finally giving as good as he gets when it comes to ned. and lila, oh my god LILA--when she followed edward's lead in bribing that waiter, and warned carly about edward, i was just LAUGHING so hard! i haven't gotten this many laughs out of the q's in a long, LONG time. thank you, guza--i'm LOVING this!!! julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:28:15 -0800 From: "Fred & Rickie Yopp" Subject: GH/PC: general hospital Anyone have any comments on who they think raped Lizzy? Why is Audrey so cool toward her about getting help. Did the samething happen to her? Anyone know, if so please update me on this. Thanks Rickie - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:42:52 -0400 From: cburch@emory.edu Subject: Re: GH/PC: general hospital Audrey was raped years ago, i can't remember who by, but it was someone she was involved with i think. my guess is she suppressed her rape so she thinks that is the only way to handle it. also if lizzie discusses her rape Audrey may have to relive her own. about the rapist. i think they're going to name tony, but i don't think he did it, so they'll absolve him. only because i don't think tptb want to destroy a main character like tony and i don't think they want to rehabilitate another rapist, a la luke. it will probably be someone insignificant and disposable. hope i helped a little cynthia - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:51:27 -0800 From: "Fred & Rickie Yopp" Subject: GH/PC: lizzy If they pint the finger to Tony, what will Bobby do? I hope they get back together. I like Jason, but I'm getting a tired of him playing the "bad guy". I like it when he is with the baby. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:01:01 PST From: "Julie Saker" Subject: GH/PC: LOGAN chat! found this on pc online. i went to the SOD website in search of a transcript, but couldn't find one (GOD i miss logan!)...so i thought i'd at least share this. no REAL spoilers, i don't think, but i'll leave some space just in case... julie h e r e g o e s n o t h i n g - -------------------------------------------------------------- I just got off the SOD chat with Michael Logan. For those of you that miss him, here's the latest scoops and opinions on GH. NANCY LEE GRAHN: Loagn confirmed that NLG had a baby girl (I think last Tuesday night.) He did tell her name but I don't remember what it was. [note--someone posted a reply saying she was named Katharine Grace-- don't know if it's true or not, but it'd kind of an interesting choice, considering!] He mentioned that the baby came two weeks early and Alexis' absence will be explained by a trip to Jakarta. LAURA'S RETURN: He says that Genie is not coming back anytime soon and that in his opinion, the SOM article is a PR move on Genie's part. He reiterated that she has a contract. He also said she returned to do a bit for the show's 35 anniversary special. He said that the show is moving on with this story without her. THE RAPE: He's impressed with this story so far. He didn't want to say much more because he's doing a TV Guide article with Tony Geary about Lucky finding out about the rape. He says that the scenes between Luke and Lucky so far have been great. TONY JONES: He says that Tony did not commit Lizzie's rape but that he's going to be doing some pretty wacko things in the near future. Logan said Brad Maule thought his last chance at a great storyline was BJ's death and when he didn't win the Emmy he was despondent. Logan's thrilled with that Brad's got a great story. THE BEST SHOW ON RIGHT NOW: In his opinion, GH is the best show on ''at least this week.'' He says Guza's done a great job at turning the show around. Logan says he thinks Robin and Nikolas are a supercouple in the making. He says he even likes the Webber twits (because of their work in the rape story.) He said Rebecca Herbst has been astounding. He said he doesn't like the Mac/Mac story and he hates what is being done to the Quartermaines. EMMY NEWS: Logan predicted that Steve Burton and Sarah Brown would be nominated for Emmys. He also noted that Jackie Zeman put herself up for Best Actress this year. And that's all I can remember. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:58:14 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: general hospital At 07:28 PM 2/26/98 -0800, Fred & Rickie Yopp wrote: >Anyone have any comments on who they think raped Lizzy? Guza said that the "whodunnit" aspect of this whole storyline is the "least important," and given the raw brutality of the attack I can't see them sacrificing ANY regular/recurring/known character by having him be responsible. It'll be someone anonymous. >Why is Audrey so >cool toward her about getting help. Did the samething happen to her? That's the rumor. And welcome to the list! Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:31:15 -0800 From: tvplist@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: GH/PC: general hospital From what I recall, Audrey was raped by Tom Baldwin (lee's brother) and the result was a son who she named Tom (i have no idea why. Tom was raised by Audrey and her husband Steve. karen - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:09:19 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: GH/PC: Thursday Well, between Carly and Brenda nearly scratching each other's eyes out, and Luke and Lucky, I don't think I could choose a favorite part. Luke and Lucky would probably win in the end, though. I am continually impressed by the way Jonathon Jackson has been handling this. And the fabulous part of those scenes was, OMITTING Luke's dirty little secret, EVERYTHING he told Lucky was dead-on. Lizzie needs to be the one to take control of her life, and Lucky needs to respect her choices, even if he disagrees with them. The shot of Luke at the end, though, nearly in tears and border-line shock was incredible... And somebody smack me, but Sarah is slipping from about a 10 on the "Irritate the Daylights Out of Me" scale to about an 8.5. I still thinks he needs acting lessons, but the character is getting less annoying. Though, Becky Herbst is doing such an incredible job that Jennifer Skye couldn't compete -- no matter what they had her doing. And NEVER in my life did I think that an almost catfight between Carly and Brenda would find me rooting for *Carly* of all people. That was cool. And the look on Jason's face through most of the little wardrobe excersion was hysterical. Several times it looked like Steve was having trouble keeping a straight face. Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:35:49 -0800 From: tvplist@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: GH/PC: general hospital Does anyone remember the circumstances surrounding how and when Kevin's license to practice medicine was re-instated? As I watched him intubate lucy it occurred to me that he must've had all his credentials again, but i can't remember how/when it all happened! Thank you so much karen - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:27:47 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: general hospital At 06:35 PM 2/27/98 -0800, tvplist@ix.netcom.com wrote: >Does anyone remember the circumstances surrounding how and when Kevin's >license to practice medicine was re-instated? As I watched him intubate >lucy it occurred to me that he must've had all his credentials again, >but i can't remember how/when it all happened! It hasn't happened. There was a spoiler that said it was going to, but it never did. We've been waiting and waiting, but nothing. This has been the source of much discussion and speculation over on the Kevin & Lucy list. Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Cagey Subject: Re: GH/PC: Thursday At 02:09 PM 2/27/98 -0800, Taiyin wrote: >The shot of Luke at the end, though, nearly in tears and border-line shock >was incredible... I'm so annoyed that Genie isn't here for this. Geez. >And NEVER in my life did I think that an almost catfight between Carly and >Brenda would find me rooting for *Carly* of all people. Wait until you see Friday's ep. S P O I L E R S P A C E I have *never* disliked Robin as much as I did today. Oh my. Apparently she's decided that Jason is not only not old enough to make decisions about his own life, but if he's not going to be with her, he can't have a life period. Meow. And I *hated* the confrontation between Robin and Carly today, because she's pushed Carly's buttons in such a way that Carly will undoubtedly start plotting against her, which is only going to cause fireworks if Jason finds out. Sigh. - --kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:28:06 -0800 From: tvplist@ix.netcom.com Subject: GH/PC: re: Kevin's license Taiyn wrote about kevin's license<> Well in that case he put the hospital at incredible risk of a suit, although given the circumstances how else could he have reacted? karen > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:48:28 -0800 From: "Fred & Rickie Yopp" Subject: GH/PC: General Hospital What a great actor Mike (Ron Hale) is.. I really like the scene today between him and Jason. I would really like to see Brenda and Jaxs get together again. How does everyone else feel about them. I hope the writers don't make Robin out to be like Carly. What a great actress Lizzy is. She sure is making her sitution seem like it really happened. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:35:07 -0800 From: "Fred & Rickie Yopp" Subject: GH/PC: Matt/Ellen/Grace Who would everyone like to see Matt with? I can't believe he will hook up with Ellen. Is that her name,the doctor who is over the interns? Matt and Grace are great together. Would like to see Scotty, Kevin and Luke together trying to help Matt. Wouldn't they be great together? Maybe even Mac could get involved and they could all be in drag. What a riot that would be. On General Hospital, what is the deal with Mac and why was he kidnapped? Stupid story line don't you think. Hope Brenda and Jax's get together soon. They're great together. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:08:35 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: GH/PC: ADMIN: List Down As far as I can tell, the lists have been up and down since the end of the weekend. Please do not post "test" messages to the list. Unfortunately, xmission.com is closed today due to weather conditions, so we are going to have to wait for them to stabilize their system. Sorry for the inconvenience. Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:45:15 -0800 From: Shele Subject: GH/PC: GH - SOD awards details?! Hi to all!!! I was just wondering if anyone on this list would be so kind as to give some details in regards to Vanessa Marcil, Ingo & Tyler on the SOD awards (as to what they were wearing, how V & I were when they presented, when they won, etc....) I missed the awards because I was travelling out of town & forgot to set my VCR!!!! Thanks in advance!!!!!!! Victoria :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:00:45 -0800 From: "Fred & Rickie Yopp" Subject: GH/PC: general hospital/portcharles Does anyone know how Rubys health is. When I seen her a couple of days ago, she looked like she could hardly work and breathing was hard for her. She is such a great actress, hope her health is okay. I sincerely hope Jason raises Micheal don't you? I can't imagine AJ being a dad and letting the Q's tell him what to do. What will happen to Alan when is caught popping pills. Will he admit he is addicted. Could be a good story line. On Port Charles, are going to learn more about Chris's background. He is so shady. Who is he having to pay money to and why? Hope Matt and Grace get together instead of ELLEN!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 08:20:34 PST From: "Julie Saker" Subject: GH/PC: Re: Matt/Ellen/Grace >Who would everyone like to see Matt with? I can't believe he will >hook up with Ellen. Is that her name,the doctor who is over the >interns? Matt and Grace are great together. oh my. i couldn't DISagree with you more, on almost all counts! :) starting with this one. matt and grace do NOTHING for me. in fact, grace in general does nothing for me. ellen, on the other hand, is INTERESTING. plus, i think she has WAY more chemistry with matt than grace does. could be just because tptb have developed ellen much more than they have grace...but that's also probably a pretty good indication that those two are the ones who will wind up together. >Would like to see Scotty, Kevin and Luke together trying to help >Matt. Wouldn't they be great together? Maybe even Mac could get >involved and they could all be in drag. What a riot that would be. well...maybe. i'd rather see matt, ellen, and mike though. i think scotty and kevin have been through enough cloak and dagger stuff right now, and have more important things to worry about than an intern they barely know. and luke and mac, who are both similarly wrapped up in their own stories right now, don't even KNOW the guy. yeah, i think that crew could be good for a caper or two, but i don't think any of them need that right now, nor do i think this is the right caper. mike, however, has made it more than clear that he'd LOVE to help out, so i hope they go that route. he's been collecting surrogate sons ever since sonny left--so what's one more? on a related story...is that chris PURE EVIL or what??? ok, it was one thing (and one pretty nasty thing) to make matt fear for his life and run him out of town to eliminate him as competition for the quartermaine residency. but to now basically sign his execution order?!? i hope the gunman gets the wrong intern. there is NO call for that level of hatred from chris... >On General Hospital, what is the deal with Mac and why was he >kidnapped? Stupid story line don't you think. don't know yet. someone is plotting to kill jax and frame mac, is all i've been able to deduce thus far. it annoyed me at first, because it was taking SUCH a long time to develop, and then when v was briefly involved, it got interesting again (maybe just because i missed v!), but now that she's gone again... >Hope Brenda and Jax's get together soon. They're great together. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY. HERE'S the one where i REALLY disagree with you! was anyone ELSE alternating between hysterical laughter and screaming at braindead to stop being such an idiot during her proposal yesterday? i mean, come ON...what an IDIOT! i nearly stood up and CHEERED when jax said it was "too late" for them to be anything but friends. (NEARLY, because i KNOW, with guza penning the words, that he didn't really mean it...) first of all, why would she think that now, after completely dropping him for sonny, that jax would WANT her back--knowing full well that he would always be second best. and secondly, why would she think her self-described "best friend" would go along with this scheme to make SUCH a major decision, on the spur of the moment, when she has just barely gotten over a nervous breakdown induced by her LAST fiance??? (incidentally, if the breakdown IS over...that was the shortest recovery I'VE ever seen. she had, what, ONE therapy session with gail???) come on...this child isn't stable enough to pick out a COUCH, for god's sake...let ALONE someone to spend the rest of her LIFE with!!! obviously, i don't want them to put j&b back together EVER (if only because jax, god-like creature that he is, deserves FAR better than what brenda has become)...but if they DO pair them up again (okay, let's be realistic, WHEN they do), i REALLY hope it isn't anytime soon. and i mean at least a year down the road. ideally, after sonny has come back for a guest stint, allowing brenda to get some MUCH-needed closure to that relationship, which despite her claims of stability, she still doesn't have. (witness her hostility to jason, for example) okay, change of subject. i can get MUCH too involved in that one! :) so, speaking of jason, what is WITH robin lately??? now, i used to like her, but yesterday? GO CARLY!!! YOU TELL HER! "queen of angels" indeed. what a sanctimonious, judgmental little thing she's getting to be. and what's with this robin radar that jason seems to have, appearing everytime she gets within ten feet of that bridge? guza, guza, guza...what have you done to robert and anna's daughter? and WHY? julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:56:30 -0500 From: Amy Schatz Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: Mac Storyline & Brenda/Jax >At 08:20 AM 3/3/98 PST, you wrote: >>On General Hospital, what is the deal with Mac and why was he >>kidnapped? Stupid story line don't you think. > >don't know yet. someone is plotting to kill jax and frame mac, is all >i've been able to deduce thus far. it annoyed me at first, because it >was taking SUCH a long time to develop, It was taking *forever*!! And it still is. Geez...and it's so boring. Until they get to a part where Jax is actually in danger, I have to stop myself from falling asleep. And if Tess can't even manage to keep Mac tied up, how are we supposed to believe she's capable of an intricate assasination attempt? Please... >>Hope Brenda and Jax's get together soon. They're great together. > >OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY. HERE'S the one where i REALLY >disagree with you! And I have to disagree with you. :D I love Brenda and Jax. I detested Sonny more than I will ever be able to explain. I thought he treated Brenda really bad, and was not good for her at all. But that's just MHO. :-) > was anyone ELSE alternating between hysterical >laughter and screaming at braindead to stop being such an idiot during >her proposal yesterday? I do agree with this part (except for the 'braindead' comment:). It was ridiculous of Brenda to ask JAx to marry her *at this time*. SHe hurt him terribly. I don't know why she thought he'd just want to jump right back in... > i mean, come ON...what an IDIOT! i nearly >stood up and CHEERED when jax said it was "too late" for them to be >anything but friends. (NEARLY, because i KNOW, with guza penning the >words, that he didn't really mean it...) I don't understand something. Do you actually think that Sonny was better for Brenda than Jax? Or do you just hate Brenda? >first of all, why would she think that now, after completely dropping >him for sonny, that jax would WANT her back--knowing full well that he >would always be second best. Very true. I'm sure that's exactly what Jax is thinking. He probably thinks Brenda's just bored or something, and wants to get back with him for fun. And like you say later on (I snipped it to save space:), Jax is right not to agree so soon after Brenda's mental problems. >(incidentally, if the breakdown IS over...that was the shortest recovery >I'VE ever seen. she had, what, ONE therapy session with gail???) LOL. That's TV for you. It's like her miraculous two week recovery from a months long dependency on pain medication. ;-) I wish we could see Brenda going to therapy once in a while, but I guess not.... >come on...this child isn't stable enough to pick out a COUCH, for god's >sake...let ALONE someone to spend the rest of her LIFE with!!! >obviously, i don't want them to put j&b back together EVER (if only >because jax, god-like creature that he is, deserves FAR better than what >brenda has become) Ahhh...now I understand (and I agree that Jax is a "god-like creature"), and I can see your point of view. However, I think that Brenda is a far better person than she was when she was with Sonny. She has become a little more independent, she's getting back on her feet job-wise, and she's working through her feelings/problems with Sonny. It's better than the sniveling, simpering, co-dependent girl she used to be when Sonny had her under his spell... Some more work, and she'll be good enough for Jax. Oh, and I love it that Brenda has to work to win Jax back! :D >...but if they DO pair them up again (okay, let's be >realistic, WHEN they do), i REALLY hope it isn't anytime soon. and i >mean at least a year down the road. And I will be happy when they do...*IF* they do it right this time. :) And I think it'll probably be sooner than a year. >okay, change of subject. i can get MUCH too involved in that one! :) >so, speaking of jason, what is WITH robin lately??? now, i used to like >her, but yesterday? GO CARLY!!! YOU TELL HER! "queen of angels" >indeed. WHAT?? Carly is SO WRONG!! > what a sanctimonious, judgmental little thing she's getting to >be. Doesn't it bother you that Carly has no intentions of *ever* telling AJ that he has a child? I mean, no matter what AJ did, he still deserves to know. But Carly is too happy with Jason's money to care. And she's even believing her own lie that Jason is the father. Calling him "daddy" is ridiculous. She makes me crazy. I want someone...ANYONE...to tell AJ!! And although it might not be Robin's place to tell AJ, she had every right to voice her opinion. > and what's with this robin radar that jason seems to have, >appearing everytime she gets within ten feet of that bridge? LOL!!! You're so right!! Yesterday Robin barely stepped onto the bridge, and Jason was there... You know, I actually don't want her with Jason anymore...not if he's going to stay the person he's become. How he can say he'll never tell AJ, and still sleep at night is beyond me. Carly is changing him...and it's not into something good... I'd rather see Robin with Nikolas, because he'd treat her better...and it would make Sarah mad, which is always a plus. Amy "Thou knowest tonight, and wilt know tomorrow This mark of my shame, this seal of my sorrow." Samuel Taylor Coleridge, "Christabel" Visit my homepage: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/asimov/114/index.html There's links to X-Files stuff, my XF Fanfiction, General Hospital, music, Prey, and more!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:30:42 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: Mac Storyline & Brenda/Jax Julie wrote: > >> was anyone ELSE alternating between hysterical >>laughter and screaming at braindead to stop being such an idiot during >>her proposal yesterday? You actually watched it? My, my, I'm impressed. I love my "Fast-forward" button. At 11:56 AM 3/3/98 -0500, Amy Schatz wrote: > >I don't understand something. Do you actually think that Sonny was better >for Brenda than Jax? Or do you just hate Brenda? I think the appeal of Sonny and Brenda *is* the fact that they were SO unhealthy and dysfunctional. I think at one time or another everyone falls for someone who is COMPLETELY wrong for them, and it's nice fantasy to see some other screwed up, against-all-odds couple actually make it. As for the individual characters... I can't stand either Jax or Brenda individually. I *loved* Sonny more than I could say. And now, I'm disliking Jax more and more each day with this whole docks/Jason thing. In the beginning I loved Sonny and Brenda (until she wore the wire). But by the time Sonny married Lilly (the only soap character I have EVER truly hated), they needed to cut the whole thing loose. But they didn't and we got that triangle nightmare, and IMO that storyline did irreperable damage to all three characters. Julie again: >>okay, change of subject. i can get MUCH too involved in that one! :) >>so, speaking of jason, what is WITH robin lately??? now, i used to like >>her, but yesterday? GO CARLY!!! YOU TELL HER! "queen of angels" >>indeed. AMEN! Carly hit the nail on the head so many times -- a few low-blows to be sure, but Robin had them coming in a big way. Jason told her what he told her because he TRUSTED her and because her feelings are important to him. No matter what she thinks of the situation it is not her place to tell AJ one WORD. She can harrange Jason from here until the middle of next century if she wants (though I won't watch it), but SHE has no right to do it herself. Amy again: > >Doesn't it bother you that Carly has no intentions of *ever* telling AJ >that he has a child? Nope. It bothers me more that AJ has returned to the Q fold. If AJ was still on his own, calling the shots in his own life, and making his own decisions entirely independent of the family, then I would. But AJ is proving Jason's point: the Q's being the brain-washing from childbirth. And Michael doesn't stand a chance in hell of keeping out from under the collective thumb of the family if he gets shunted off to them to raise. I think it's the EXACT same thing as Lois running like hell to keep Brooke Lynn out of their clutches. And whatever motives Carly has, which are easily debateable, I think Jason's are very close to Lois's and I agree with both of them. >I mean, no matter what AJ did, he still deserves to >know. But Carly is too happy with Jason's money to care. And she's even >believing her own lie that Jason is the father. Calling him "daddy" is >ridiculous. I think her argument is that Jason is Michael's "daddy" is every way that counts. Jason loves him, feeds him, changes him, puts him down, etc. There is NOTHING Jason wouldn't do for him. IMO *that* is more of a father than the sperm donor. >She makes me crazy. I want someone...ANYONE...to tell AJ!! >And although it might not be Robin's place to tell AJ, she had every right >to voice her opinion. I don't have a problem with her telling them both that they are wrong. Let her scream and yell and badger the hell out of them if she wants. It's just threatening to tell AJ herself that I have a problem with. Well, I take that back, what I REALLY have a problem with is Guza turning a character that I absolutely ADORE into such a sanctimoious and judgemental brat. Carly was right about one thing: I think Robin is WAY too used to being able to tell Jason that he's doing something "wrong" (by her esteemed standards) and then having him "follow orders" (to coin Carly's phrase). I think that's what's making Robin so crazy now -- no matter how many times she says he should, Jason is still refusing to let the Q's in Michael's life. And while I agree, on PRINCIPLE, that AJ should have a right to know his son, the fact remains that Keesha hit the nail on the head when she said that AJ didn't really want to be the father, he just wanted *something.* And I think when you combine all the factors, Jason is much better suited to being the father at this point. Besides, this kind of secret is what makes for good soaps. ;-) >with Nikolas, because he'd treat her better...and it would make Sarah mad, >which is always a plus. LOL! Only if she was mad enough to leave town. Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:37:49 -0800 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: Re: Matt/Ellen/Grace At 08:20 AM 3/3/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote: > >INTERESTING. plus, i think she has WAY more chemistry with matt than >grace does. I agree with that one (shocker, huh? ;-)). Matt and Ellen's chemistry is fabulous and I am SO happy that they are finally actually getting on with this. >could be just because tptb have developed ellen much more >than they have grace...but that's also probably a pretty good indication >that those two are the ones who will wind up together. No doubt. I do like Grace, but not with Matt. I liked her better as a friend to the interns. >them need that right now, nor do i think this is the right caper. mike, >however, has made it more than clear that he'd LOVE to help out, so i >hope they go that route. he's been collecting surrogate sons ever since >sonny left--so what's one more? No kidding. I *love* the two of them together, I wish we got to see them more often. Too bad so much of their relationship is implied or happens off-screen. >on a related story...is that chris PURE EVIL or what??? No kidding! I don't think Cagey's hex on him is enough punishment for THAT! Yikes. I think they are trying to show how desperate Chris is, but it's coming across as not much more than vindictive and cruel. >was taking SUCH a long time to develop, and then when v was briefly >involved, it got interesting again (maybe just because i missed v!), but >now that she's gone again... I was really hoping she'd be sticking around for a while with this storyline. I think she'll be back for a while, but not nearly enough for my tastes. Taiyin "By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement. It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin http://www.taiyin.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:01:49 PST From: "Julie Saker" Subject: GH/PC: Re: Mac Storyline & Brenda/Jax amy wrote: >And if Tess can't even manage to keep Mac tied up, how are we >supposed to believe she's capable of an intricate assasination >attempt? Please... LOL! very good point. i don't buy tess at all--she irks me. as does this storyline, most of the time. but i'm JUST curious enough as to who's behind this plot, and why, that i'll give it the benefit of the doubt for a LITTLE while longer. (although i AM pissed that mac and felicia were so wrapped up in this little scheme that they never DID acknowledge that felicia's "bestest friend" lucy was DYING over on pc...) >And I have to disagree with you. :D I love Brenda and Jax. I >detested Sonny more than I will ever be able to explain. I thought >he treated Brenda really bad, and was not good for her at all. But >that's just MHO. :-) >I don't understand something. Do you actually think that Sonny was >better for Brenda than Jax? Or do you just hate Brenda? now THAT'S a complex question. i was a s&b fan from day one--back when they were both decently written and complex characters. brenda was a spoiled willful brat, sonny was a brooding mobster with dubious morals, and they were great fun to watch. and they were HOT HOT HOT! then, during the whole stone/aids saga, tptb really developed sonny into an AMAZING charater. i LOVED sonny from the beginning, but this just cemented it even more. (now...would i, in real life, get involved with an ex-drug-pushing/prostituting current mob boss, no matter how big his hidden heart of gold? not likely. but this IS just a soap! :) did i think sonny was good for brenda? well, i don't think a mobster in general is good for ANYONE in his life--occupational hazards being what they are. but i did think s&b had something. they definitely had that spark that made them fun to watch. but then... they threw lily into the mix. and i'm with taiyin on this one: >But by the time Sonny married Lilly (the only soap character I have >EVER truly hated), they needed to cut the whole thing loose. But >they didn't and we got that triangle nightmare, and IMO that >storyline did irreperable damage to all three characters. yes. that was the beginning of the end, and by the time we were into full s/b/j mode, it was too late to do anything about it. all THREE characters suffered dreadfully from that one. i'm one of those rare s&b fans who actually LIKED jax. he was such fun at the beginning, when he was after lois (not that i wanted him to succeed THERE either...this man REALLY needs to find a woman of his OWN!) i even (perish the thought!) liked j&b together for a while--during their whole malibu trip and all that. but what killed it for me was the marriage ultimatum, and then the miranda thing. he very clearly knew brenda was still in love with sonny, and yet he strongarmed her into marrying him anyway, all the while never telling her that he had a secret first wife dead and buried in the past...that to me is no more of a healthy relationship than what s&b had. HOWEVER...even though i no longer wanted j&b together, and really was still rooting for s&b, the reunion was a HUGE disappointment, handled terribly, leading to the ridiculous on-the-run-with-goldilocks storyline, the tiger key mess, and the biggest travesty i've ever witnessed on any television show ever, the wedding-that-wasn't, the write-off of sonny, and the ensuing revision of history to portray sonny as the antichrist and the root of all that is evil in port charles. (which they are STILL doing, by the way! what was that tirade from brenda yesterday about the only time she was ever happy being when she was with jax?!? HELLO? did they WATCH the old tapes??? but i digress...) i did NOT like the post-reunion s&b relationship, with her tagging along behind sonny like a puppy dog, doing whatever he said without question. nor did i like the new jax--who was doing basically the same thing to brenda that she was doing to sonny. and the new sonny--don't get me STARTED on that whole leaving-brenda-at-the-altar thing. if i could get my hands on richard culliton for just FIVE minutes...but i digress yet again. >Ahhh...now I understand (and I agree that Jax is a "god-like >creature"), and I can see your point of view. However, I think that >Brenda is a far better person than she was when she was with Sonny. >She has become a little more independent, she's getting back on her >feet job-wise, and she's working through her feelings/problems with >Sonny. It's better than the sniveling, simpering, co-dependent girl >she used to be when Sonny had her under his spell... Some more work, >and she'll be good enough for Jax. see, now, my point of view on this is that jax was right--it IS too late. just as, by the time the whole lily/wire mess was over, it was really too late for s&b, it is now WAY too late for j&b. just as there are EXTREMELY few circumstances under which i would now, after the damage done to sonny's character, be able to accept brenda ever taking him back if he were to return (say, he underwent a forced lobotomy on the way to the church, or was kidnapped and replaced with his evil twin Rainy), i can also not handle JAX taking BRENDA back. in my eyes, it's extremely close to the same scenario. and since i'm SURE everyone would agree that brenda would be an idiot to take sonny back--why does everyone think jax should do the same with brenda? >I think it'll probably be sooner than a year. sadly, so do i. >WHAT?? Carly is SO WRONG!! >Doesn't it bother you that Carly has no intentions of *ever* telling >AJ that he has a child? and taiyin wrote: >No matter what she thinks of the situation it is not her place to >tell AJ one WORD. She can harrange Jason from here until the middle >of next century if she wants (though I won't watch it), but SHE has >no right to do it herself. i agree with taiyin. i think carly's motives are less than admirable, and i agree, in theory, that a.j. has a right to know that he has a son. however, there is NO WAY this is robin's secret to tell. Amy again: >Doesn't it bother you that Carly has no intentions of *ever* telling >AJ that he has a child? and taiyin: >while I agree, on PRINCIPLE, that AJ should have a right to know his >son, the fact remains that Keesha hit the nail on the head when she >said that AJ didn't really want to be the father, he just wanted >*something.* And I think when you combine all the factors, Jason is >much better suited to being the father at this point. ditto. it's not like carly and aj had a RELATIONSHIP--they had one drunken night, followed by a LOT of bad blood. aj doesn't want this child because he wants a child--he wants this child to (a) get himself into his family's good graces by producing an heir, and (b) to hurt carly. he wants to take michael away and "raise" him (boarding school, anyone?) WITHOUT carly, poisoning this child against his mother (who has done a lot of things to deserve that--but NONE of them to her son). and carly knows that if aj or the q's get their hands on this child, she will NEVER have a chance to be his mother, or to even ever see him again. i don't deny that a.j. has a legal and moral right to know he has a son--but i don't think this situation is so cut-and-dry. which is why it makes for GREAT soap story! :) amy: >Calling him "daddy" is ridiculous. taiyin: >I think her argument is that Jason is Michael's "daddy" is every way >that counts. Jason loves him, feeds him, changes him, puts him down, >etc. There is NOTHING Jason wouldn't do for him. IMO *that* is more >of a father than the sperm donor. i'm with taiyin again. tell me you can look at jason holding and talking to that baby and say he's NOT the father in every way that counts. yes, a.j. hasn't had the opportunity to be the dad. and maybe, if he did, he would be a good one too. but as long as he's after that baby for purely vindictive reasons, and wants to tear him away from his mother--i can't side with him on this one. >And although it might not be Robin's place to tell AJ, she had every >right to voice her opinion. agreed. but this new incarnation of robin drives me insane. like taiyin said: >Well, I take that back, what I REALLY have a problem with is Guza >turning a character that I absolutely ADORE into such a sanctimoious >and judgemental brat. Carly was right about one thing: I think >Robin is WAY too used to being able to tell Jason that he's doing >something "wrong" (by her esteemed standards) and then having him >"follow orders" (to coin Carly's phrase). couldn't have said it better myself! :) >Besides, this kind of secret is what makes for good soaps. ;-) and that, after all, is the bottom line. at least we have something to ARGUE about now! :) julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of port-charles-digest V1 #28 *********************************