From: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com (port-charles-digest) To: port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: port-charles-digest V1 #41 Reply-To: port-charles-digest Sender: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk port-charles-digest Friday, May 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 041 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:01:03 -0600 From: Rebecca Subject: Re: GH/PC: Luke/Lucky/Carly Danielle Graham wrote: > > Also, Carly reacting in the court room. > . That's why this girl is nominated for an emmy. > As much as I love to hate the character of Carly :), Sarah Brown did an exceptional job with these scenes-- I forgot about everything she has ever done to tick off everyone and I felt horrible for her! She was phenomenal yesterday-- I was watching the other day with one of my friends and they were noticing the way Alan takes his pills- head thrown back, water etc. For someone who supposedly is popping pills all day long he sure makes a big deal about it! My apologies if this has been talked about before, when the storyline first started, but I have to take medicine everyday, and I don't even need water anymore-someone else I know who has chronic headaches, same thing- you get so used to it you just take them-- well, I think this could be voted most unimportant post of the week :) Just something I noticed-- Rebecca > Daniell > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:35:13 -0400 From: Danielle Graham Subject: GH/PC: Luke/Lucky/Carly Rebecca wrote: >I was watching the other day with one of my friends and they were >noticing the way Alan takes his pills- head thrown back, water etc. Yeah, HELLO! Taggart notices this and every doctor in GH has no clue, especially his wife. Poor acting I think on Stuart's part. But he's not looking too hot these days. Originally they said he was to lose weight to look the part. Does ANYONE think he looks thinner?? Danielle - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:51:50 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: GH/PC: WAAAAYYYY behind Well, we tried to make it through two weeks worth of GH and PC this weekend. Didn't QUITE make it, but I'm ALMOST caught up. About the only comment I have at the moment is about V. YAY!!!! Maybe now that she's working for Mac she'll actually have some STORYLINE! Woo hoo! Taiyin "I stand in awe of you." - --"Give me five minutes. You might want to rethink your position." -- Jon Hanley and Lucy, 1995 Nurse's Ball - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:29:22 -0600 From: Rebecca Subject: GH/PC: About Liz/Lucky/the teacher-- Hello all- I know that we talked about this before, but I think that now we are definately seeing that Liz's teacher, Murty?, is being set up as the attacker-- (so I am not going to put spoiler space- hope that's okay, since I won't talk about anything that hasn't happened.) I am not entirely sure how I feel about this, but as an educator myself, I am currently feeling like it is a cheap shot for drama's sake. Of course, I can only speak for myself, but to set up the teacher as someone trying to help Liz, someone who can understand kids and is supposedly an excellent teacher-- to then turn around and make that person an attacker, emotionally and physically, of the student he has been shown to help? It just astounds me that someone thought this was a good idea. Again, because I teach, I admit that I am most likely unable to view this situation w/o bias, but I have seen teachers who change children's lives, who give them support and respect they may not get from any other source, who love to teach and are certainly not there for financial reward. I remember how much I respected and looked up to the majority of my teachers-- I am still young myself! I am not saying there are not teachers who harm students, because unfortunately that does happen. Maybe Guza is trying to show that no one can be trusted not to harm you, that you have to watch out for everyone? Especially because Liz and Lucky are young, and therefore are more likely to attract a younger audience, I wonder about the wisdom of this choice. It just seems unfair to paint this picture when there are so many people trying to help children of all ages. Again, just my feelings right now-- does anyone else have any feeling on this now that it is a little more than speculation that he may be the one? Am I the only one who feels this way? Sorry for my inarticulateness, (not enough sleep today) but hopefully I didn't offend anyone... Rebecca - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: Re: GH/PC: About Liz/Lucky/the teacher-- Rebecca wrote: >Am I the only one who feels this way? No, you're not. We had this discussion a couple weeks back, and a few of us felt the same way. I, in particular, am disappointed--making the teacher a sexual predator is a cheap way to play on parental fears. I tend to expect better of Guza (silly me). My only consolation is that perhaps Liz will get some closure on this story. In another, unrelated, reflection.... Brad Maule did a wonderful job with that triumphant, annoying smile in the courtroom on Friday/Monday. He looked so smug and frightening that I wanted to smack him. Kudos to both BM and Sarah Brown for their performances. - --kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:50:22 -0400 From: Danielle Graham Subject: GH/PC: Waaay Behind! >About the only comment I have at the moment is about V. >YAY!!!! >Maybe now that she's working for Mac she'll actually have some >STORYLINE! Does anybody else think that V would be great for Mac? I'm SOOO tired of the Felicia/Mac business. She's way too spunky to keep down!! Loving her! Danielle - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:53:31 -0400 From: Danielle Graham Subject: GH/PC: About Liz/Lucky/Teacher >I know that we talked about this before, but I think that now we are >definitely seeing that Liz's teacher, Murty?, I was definitely sure in the beginning that Murty was at fault & still am wavering on whether he has anything to do w/it. (But after yesterday's episode where Lucky & Liz found out about his ex-wife.....ugh, oh...there's the story I think). I'm not looking forward to the rapist being a teacher, but then again, wasn't Luke one, too??? Danielle - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:03:00 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: Waaay Behind! At 08:50 AM 4/29/98 -0400, Danielle Graham wrote: > >Does anybody else think that V would be great for Mac? I'm SOOO tired of >the Felicia/Mac business. She's way too spunky to keep down!! Loving >her! Well, I agree with the Mac and Felicia part, but I'm not so sure about mac and V. I know that I actually almost LIKE Jax when he's with V, and I certainly did enjoy V's dinner with Ned. I wish they'd let her move around the canvas a bit and see who she clicks with. It took TPTB a long time, and that hokey dream sequence of Brenda in the bathtub, before they managed to realize the potential of the Sonny/Brenda pairing. Maybe they should mix things up a bit and let them play out. V rocks, though, and as long as she gets to do SOMETHING I almost don't care who they pair her with... for now, anyway. Taiyin "I stand in awe of you." - --"Give me five minutes. You might want to rethink your position." -- Jon Hanley and Lucy, 1995 Nurse's Ball - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:59:27 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: About Liz/Lucky/Teacher At 08:53 AM 4/29/98 -0400, Danielle Graham wrote: >ex-wife.....ugh, oh...there's the story I think). I'm not looking >forward to the rapist being a teacher, but then again, wasn't Luke one, >too??? Not quite the same thing, though. No matter what happened between Luke and Laura, he didn't drag a 15 year old off a park bench, beat the tar out of her and rape her in the bushes. Not that what he did was really any "better" -- but it's still very different. Besides, more than a few people (especially TPTB) whished they could go back and undo Luke raping Laura. I just think it's a really crappy way to take this storyline. Ever since people started recognizing and defining rape to include acquaintance/date rape, soaps have REALLY gotten hung up on that. And yes, that is the kind that happens most often, but this storyline from the outset was set up to be different than that. And I feel very cheated at them going back and re-wriitng history now. I thought the story was MUCH more solid and powerful and brave and impressive when the chances of Liz ever actually finding her attacker were non-existant. Having to get on with her life and accept the fact that she would never know who it was, or why he did it, much less ever see him punished for it, made the story MUCH more powerful, IMO. This feels like a huge cop-out. Taiyin "I stand in awe of you." - --"Give me five minutes. You might want to rethink your position." -- Jon Hanley and Lucy, 1995 Nurse's Ball - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:01:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Fosseen Subject: GH/PC: Guza on NW Afternoon Hi all... Guza did a call in interview with Cindi Rinehart of NW Afternoon today. Most of what he said wasn't terribly exciting, but he did imply something rather odd. When Cindi said something about how the possibilities are limited with Sonny only being back for a few episodes, Guza interupted her with "Well, you never know......" She said, "What do you mean - is he coming back for good?" and he said, "Anything is possible, don't count anything out." Now, personally, I found this to be rather annoying, as Maurice Bernard has said in no uncertain terms that he is not interested in coming back for real. Sure money talks and he could change his mind, but this sure felt like a tease to make us hope and tune in during sweeps. What's everyone else think?? Also, anyone see Luke, Lucky and Scotty on The View this morning??? If you blinked, you might have missed it!! LOL!! They didn't appear to have any reason to be on, other than to be adorable, but it was kinda nice to see them anyway. Is it just me or is Tony Geary getting more adorable each year??? He's not conventionally handsome, but it's like his personality and sense of humor make him very attractive and even sexy. Dunno...maybe I'm just weird! :) And as for V -- how 'bout Ned??? That scene the other day when she saw right through him was a kick and it looks like he won't be doing the horizontal limbo with Alexis again any time soon.....might be fun! Last comment -- Murty. I agree that it's a cheap shot and it was a more powerful story when we didn't know who the assailant was, but at least they're showing a pattern of abuse instead of making it look like this good teacher *suddenly* freaked out and started attacking students. Then again, I suppose the idea of a teacher with a record of abuse isn't a whole lot better.....never mind, it's a story without any up side whatsoever!!! LOL! That's all my inane ramblings for today.... == Take Care...Geri ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ %~}"I believe I am growing skeptical of cynicism."{~% --Chuck Lorre %~}"Do not think you are on the right path just because it is well-beaten."{~% --Unknown ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:13:53 EDT From: AnneBPT Subject: Re: GH/PC: About Liz/Lucky/Teacher In a message dated 98-04-29 20:15:57 EDT, you write: << And I feel very cheated at them going back and re-wriitng history now. I thought the story was MUCH more solid and powerful and brave and impressive when the chances of Liz ever actually finding her attacker were non-existant. Having to get on with her life and accept the fact that she would never know who it was, or why he did it, much less ever see him punished for it, made the story MUCH more powerful, IMO. >> As I said the last time this discussion came up, I saw them hinting around Mr. Murty from day 1. The first time Lizzie left the house after the rape and was in Kelly's he ws looking at her in a way that made her uncomfortable. She even mentioned it to Lucky, and discounted it as just being nervous about everyone. There were a few more scenes that made me believe he was the most likely suspect as well but I can't remember them now. So whether or not people agree that the teacher should or should not be the rapist, I'm nearly positive that this is the way they meant it to play out from the beginning. I think the rewrite would be to take the teacher off the hook. You're probably right that not ever finding out would have made the story more powerful though. I also think it is only slightly different what Luke did and what this rapist did. The main difference being that Laura knew all along that Luke raped her, and Lizzie didn't know at first(or maybe still hasn't totally figured it out - -- I'm a little behind). JMHO, Anne - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:03:58 -0600 From: Rebecca Subject: Re: GH/PC: About Liz/Lucky/Teacher Taiyin wrote: > > I thought the story was MUCH more solid and powerful and brave and > impressive when the chances of Liz ever actually finding her attacker >were > non-existant. Having to get on with her life and accept the fact that she > would never know who it was, or why he did it, much less ever see him > punished for it, made the story MUCH more powerful, IMO. > > This feels like a huge cop-out. > > Taiyin Thank you for putting into words what I was thinking-- and I have a question about the liz/lucky relationship before the attack: I watched rather sporadically the last year or so, maybe once a month, (I know, what was I thinking? Luckily, I have seen the light) and it seemed that Liz liked Lucky but he was not interested in her? Until she was attacked that is. If this is the case (and PLEASE correct me and give me background if it is not!), then this has been lurkingly bothering me- that Lucky would not be with Liz unless she was attacked- sort of reinforcing the idea of female neediness (which I think is justified-- in this scenario she DID need somebody) but I guess I would have liked it better if Lucky had been interested in her BEFORE this happened, and was there for her when she needed him. Does this make any sense? In fact, around this time was when I began watching regularly, and I thought that Liz made up the story to get Lucky to notice her, to get his sympathy. Although I can now see this is NOT the case, I am still kind of bothered by this negative reinforcement, if you will. But, as I said, I do NOT know the whole back story to this, so if someone could let me know if I am way off base here, I would appreciate it. :) Rebecca - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:54:12 -0400 From: Danielle Graham Subject: GH/PC: Liz/Lucky/Teacher Rebecca wrote: >it seemed that >Liz liked Lucky but he was not interested in her? Yeah, at 1st he was ga-ga over Sarah (gag me), but in some scenes, especially the one where Liz took Lucky w/her to "save" Sarah from Nikolas at the Cassadines Summer house, I think that was really the 1st time he seemed to really care about Liz. I think Lucky became friends w/Liz 1st, cuz he was just lusting after Sarah (WHY????). This is becoming such a great story, but like everybody else, the thought of Mr. Murty being the rapist bothers me a bit. But, I think there would be no closure, ever for Liz if she never found out who the rapist is. I think Laura will play heavily in her "recovery" on this! Danielle - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:04:43 -0400 From: Danielle Graham Subject: GH/PC: V/Ned/Brenda/Jax Geri wrote: >And as for V -- how 'bout Ned??? I was on that one like white on rice, big time! I think it would be great. She's got that kinda....Lois spunk! (Puh-lease don't put her with that Jerry creature...he makes me a bit ill). I also have to say after yesterday's episode w/Jax & Brenda....I'M LOOOOVINNN' THEM!!!! I just love them together!!!!! I wanted to kick the hell outta Jerry & Jax for arranging that "meeting". SONNY...WHO!!!!! Jax looked so adorable trying to avoid Brenda, but when he finally said...."Oh, what the hell...." I was dying! Did anyone else dig that as much??? Danielle - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: GH/PC: ADMIN reminder Spoilers on this list include *anything* that has not been specifically mentioned on the show: it doesn't matter whether it's been in one of the plethora of soap magazines, on your favorite spoiler web site that gets a million hits per day, or on r.a.t.s.a. Some people, believe it or not, don't like to be spoiled . Please remember to include spoiler space. It must be twelve lines of characters--not spaces, or periods, as some mail readers are confused by them. Thanks. - --Cagey, List Mom - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:08:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: GH/PC: Robin's world It must be so nice to live in Robin's world. "Promise me" this, "promise me" that. Robin is, admittedly, a wonderful, admirable, and all around neat person, but her visit with Tony today epitomized for me why lately she irritates the heck out of me. Not only did she think that asking Tony to promise that he wouldn't kidnap Michael again was going to stick, but she truly believed that Tony would just see the light. She admitted repeatedly to Felicia that she thought Tony needed help--was getting shot going to do the trick? It must be nice to be Robin. - --kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:45:20 -0600 From: Rebecca Subject: Re: GH/PC: Liz/Lucky/Teacher Danielle Graham wrote: > > Rebecca wrote: > >it seemed that > >Liz liked Lucky but he was not interested in her? > > Yeah, at 1st he was ga-ga over Sarah (gag me), but in some scenes, > especially the one where Liz took Lucky w/her to "save" Sarah from > Nikolas at the Cassadines Summer house, I think that was really the 1st > time he seemed to really care about Liz. I think Lucky became friends > w/Liz 1st, cuz he was just lusting after Sarah (WHY????). Thank you for clarifying this for me-- I appreciate the back history. My roommate and I were watching Sarah chew out Robin for "stealing" her boyfriend and we wondered how stupid the actress who plays Sarah must have felt doing that scene! I don't quite understand the attraction either... And Laura playing heavily in the recovery of Liz? (already deleted original- that is a quote from Danielle) Very interesting, and something I had not thought of! The woman Lucky is having a problem with as far as not having told him the whole story, being the one able to help the girl he is trying so hard to help- what interesting dynamic! Thanks Danielle! Rebecca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:06:39 -0400 From: Danielle Graham Subject: GH/PC: Luke/Lucky/Laura/Liz Rebecca wrote: Subject: GH/PC: Robin's World cagey wrote: that he wouldn't kidnap Michael again was going to stick, Hello, should we be on the lookout now for Tony to be the regular "looney tune"? And how come no mention of trying to contact Frisco in all of this stuff? They dropped the ball on that one, yet again!!! Danielle - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:18:02 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: GH/PC: Adios Keesha According to today's New York Daily News, Senait Ashenafi has been fired from her role as Keesha Ward. No word on how much longer she'll be around. Taiyin "I stand in awe of you." - --"Give me five minutes. You might want to rethink your position." -- Jon Hanley and Lucy, 1995 Nurse's Ball - - ------------------------------ End of port-charles-digest V1 #41 *********************************