From: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com (port-charles-digest) To: port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: port-charles-digest V1 #46 Reply-To: port-charles-digest Sender: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-port-charles-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk port-charles-digest Friday, May 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 046 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:37:29 -0400 From: Danielle Graham Subject: RE: GH/PC: BJ did it again......ran outta tape!!!! Geesh! I knew yesterday was gonna be good, but could someone give me a CLUE. Tayin's was pretty good, but I want to know about Jax & Brenda!!!! Help! Someone respond quickly as I will be leaving any minute & won't be back in the office until 6/1. thanx, danielle > ---------- > From: Taiyin[SMTP:sigmund@xmission.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 9:31 AM > To: Port Charles/General Hospital > Subject: GH/PC: BJ > > The only thing I loved more than the FABULOUS history-based riot act > that > Bobbie read Tony yesterday, was Bobbie and Carly later. Wow. And > when > Bobbie showed up at the hospital and snapped at Carly, and then > started > crying, I lost it. > > I loved Robin and Sonny, too. Though, Robin still irritated the hell > out > of me when she was standing there making excuses for Tony. > > And I ESPECIALLY love that, at least on the surface, Sonny has a > reason > OTHER than Brenda for coming back to town. I know it's just an > excuse, but > if he'd walked in saying he was back for her, I would have probably > started > crying as I hit the fast-forward button. > > Obviously it won't last, but I'm glad there is at least something else > driving this return. > > And Jerry's smarminess factor just increases on a daily basis. Yeesh. > I > don't like Jax because I find him to be an unethical hypocrite and > occasionally too slimy for my taste (nevermind the blond part), but he > doesn't hold a CANDLE to his brother. I guess the only consolation is > that > Jerry makes no pretense about having any morals at all. Still, yuck. > > Taiyin > "How charming. A kidnapper with a David Niven complex." -- Alexis, GH > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 06:41:19 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: RE: GH/PC: BJ At 09:37 AM 5/19/98 -0400, Danielle Graham wrote: >did it again......ran outta tape!!!! Geesh! I knew yesterday was gonna >be good, but could someone give me a CLUE. Tayin's was pretty good, but >I want to know about Jax & Brenda!!!! Help! Someone respond quickly as I >will be leaving any minute & won't be back in the office until 6/1. Well, I quite obviously can't h*lp you there, except to say that they did sleep together. I'd check out http://www.abc.com/soaps/ Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" - --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:14:19 -0400 From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: GH/PC: SONNY! Message text written by INTERNET:port-charles@lists.xmission.com >Seen Maurice Bernards interview on N.W. Afternoon with Cindy Rhinehart. >Looks good with the beard, but listening to him talk he sounds stuck on >himself and his role as Sonny. Maybe he is a quiet person, but it didn'= t >impress me any. Anyone else see the interview? Would like to hear othe= r >thoughts on this. Rickie surprise, surprise, but i'm going to leap to his defense here! :) i saw the interview, and i didn't get that impression at all. he struck = me as someone whose tendency is to be quiet and private, but who became overwhelmed by the phenomenon that is sonny, and still hasn't quite adapted to it. i think the only reason he was so pro-sonny (the characte= r) is because he knew his audience, and what they wanted to hear. i don't think he really believes that sonny is the pinnacle of his career, and th= e best character he could ever hope to play, or else why would he have left gh? i was disappointed in the INTERVIEW, because it didn't really TELL us anything, but i wasn't disappointed in HIM... julie p.s. i knew it was too good to be true! we went one day without preache= r robin, and then she was back..."you CAN'T EVER go back to her, sonny..." not that i disagree...but GET OVER YOURSELF, ROBIN!!!!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:24:57 -0400 From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: RE: GH/PC: BJ Message text written by INTERNET:port-charles@lists.xmission.com >did it again......ran outta tape!!!! Geesh! I knew yesterday was gonna >be good, but could someone give me a CLUE. Tayin's was pretty good, but >I want to know about Jax & Brenda!!!! Help! = well, against my better judgement, i DID watch it. there was talk by jax= of eloping to las vegas, and brenda vetoed the idea, saying she wanted to savor every minute of their engagement and do this the right way, in front of everyone. couch sex ensued. that's about it. julie - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 07:25:00 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: SONNY! At 10:14 AM 5/19/98 -0400, Julie E. Saker wrote: > >p.s. i knew it was too good to be true! we went one day without preacher >robin, and then she was back..."you CAN'T EVER go back to her, sonny..." >not that i disagree...but GET OVER YOURSELF, ROBIN!!!!! Actually, for once that one didn't bother me (probably because I was more annoyed at her for CONINTUING to defend Tony when he hasn't shown the SLIGHTEST bit of remourse for what he's done, and CONTINUES to justify it). I think it's mostly because Robin was the one person who NEVER doubted Sonny's reasons for leaving, and because she didn't give him too hard a time for what he did. I am glad, though, that she brought up the one thing that I went ballistic about back in September when he left: that maybe he did do the right thing in leaving, but that whether it was right or wrong was not the point because by not giving BRENDA the choice, the validity of his actions was moot -- he was just wrong to make that decision for her. Plus, I just think that she was worried about the possibility of Sonny trying to get back into Brenda's life after everything that's happened. And, honestly, I think someone needed to say that to him -- just to be sure. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" - --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Fosseen Subject: Re: GH/PC: BJ Hi all... - ---Taiyin wrote: > > The only thing I loved more than the FABULOUS history-based riot act that > Bobbie read Tony yesterday, was Bobbie and Carly later. Question about this -- With Tony, Bobbie said something like "When you Mother was dying you were in the next room making love to her nurse..." What was this in reference to?? I don't remember this at all!!!!!! Help?!?!?!! Thanks.... == Take Care...Geri ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ %~}"I believe I am growing skeptical of cynicism."{~% --Chuck Lorre %~}"Do not think you are on the right path just because it is well-beaten."{~% --Unknown ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:36:27 -0700 From: karen Subject: Re: GH/PC: tony, his mom and the nurse > Question about this -- With Tony, Bobbie said something like "When you > Mother was dying you were in the next room making love to her > nurse..." What was this in reference to?? I don't remember this at > all!!!!!! Help?!?!?!!>> When Tony and Frisco's mother died, their mom's nurse was in the next room with Tony, oblivious to his mom's impending death. Because of this, Frisco held Tony accountable, and didn't speak to him for many years. karen - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:03:01 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: BJ At 11:40 AM 5/19/98 -0700, Geri Fosseen wrote: >Question about this -- With Tony, Bobbie said something like "When you >Mother was dying you were in the next room making love to her >nurse..." What was this in reference to?? I don't remember this at >all!!!!!! Help?!?!?!! That was in reference to some off-camera, long-established Jones boys history. The story goes along the lines of this: when Frisco was a teenager his father, with whom he did not get along at ALL, shipped him off to boarding school three states away, while he left Tony, his prefered child, at home. I don't remember exactly what happened to their dad off hand, but when their mother was dying, Tony was screwing around with the nurse. Frisco, who was EXTREMELY close to their mother, crossed three states, by himself at the age of 14 (or something like that ), just to say good-bye to his mother. That whole situation was a major bone of contention between the Jones boys for many years. All of that happened long before either of them was on the show, but it's been established over and over and over again. And that was why I was so happy to see it referenced. And I was PARTICULARLY happy to see the spin that Bobbie put on it -- the corralation between Tony's disappointment in himself, and his need to mess around before snapping back into his "perfect life" mode was borderline brilliant. And it opens up TONS of potential. Fabulous. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" - --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:08:54 -0700 From: Jill Kirby Subject: Re: GH/PC: SONNY! > >robin, and then she was back..."you CAN'T EVER go back to her, sonny..." > >not that i disagree...but GET OVER YOURSELF, ROBIN!!!!! > > Actually, for once that one didn't bother me (probably because I > was more annoyed at her for CONINTUING to defend Tony when he hasn't shown > the SLIGHTEST bit of remourse for what he's done, and CONTINUES to justify > it). Yesterday was the first time Robin hasn't bugged me in a LONG time. And, though I disagree with her defence of Tony, at least she's consistent. I thought her interacaction with Sonny was very nicely handled, and I agree with Taiyin that bringing up Brenda's lack of choice was dead-on. I think this is the first time that Guza has written Robin with even a smidgen of accuracy, and I hope it continues-- I think she's being horribly cheated/mangled by the current regime, and it makes me VERY angry. I've watched KMcC since she was a little girl; she was the first child actor on soaps that didn't make my teeth itch. She's a good actress, she has an unmatched character in terms of connections and history, and I hate to see that so wasted. In fact, the main reason I haven't been watching GH lately is because when I watch, I get angry over how Robin is written. Well, that and Kat and Stefan make me sick. But that's another tangent... Fifth of nothing, Jason was looking mighty fine yesterday. ;) Jill - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:04:27 -0400 From: "Julie E. Saker" Subject: GH/PC: Baby Nikolas and The Ball was it just me, or did anybody else have a REALLY hard time = imagining nikolas, even as a baby, saying "uh-huh"?!? :) (or imagining stefan PERMITTING such imprecise language, for that matter!) and on a related note--are they using lu-lu to play young nik, or did it just look an AWFUL lot like her? also, did everyone see the gh commercial yesterday? this bacchanalia looks like it has TREMENDOUS potential! (yes, taiyin, you'll have to restrain yourself from fast-forwarding some kat & bat scenes...but it should be worth it! :) julie - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:40:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cagey Subject: GH/PC: News, gossip, spoilers According to TV Guide, Sarah Brown is due in mid-July and plans on taking two months off, plus a further two months on a reduced schedule. Somebody complained that GH has too many shootings, and wanted to know why they couldn't use tamer weapons like ballpoint pens, as PC is doing . Keesha is being recast. S P O I L E R S T O O AJ is supposed to find out that Michael is his son "rather soon." Oh dear. - --kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:17:08 -0400 From: "Donald K Gooden" Subject: GH/PC: Parellism There is amazing parallelism in this Sonny story is amazing. When Brenda was marrying Jax for the first time she had no idea that Sonny's wife was getting blown to smithereens. Now Brenda is getting engaged to Jax, and again half way across the world she has no idea that Sonny's life is changing yet again. There is one thing about Sonny's return that I just don't like. For the most part it has been ok, but I didn't like the way he reacted to the news about Brenda. I don't know what it was, but it just didn't feel right to me. Then again I may just be sleep deprived and imagining things. TTFN (Ta Ta For Now) Jamila jgg Visit Jamila's Kevin and Lucy: The Wonder Years http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1625/JandJ.html Visit Jamila's Dominion Of The Dark Side http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/5671/dominion2.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:01:59 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: Baby Nikolas and The Ball At 12:04 PM 5/20/98 -0400, Julie E. Saker wrote: > >(or imagining stefan PERMITTING such imprecise language, >for that matter!) Actually, that's the part that I find most unlikely. :-) >also, did everyone see the gh commercial yesterday? Yup! >this bacchanalia looks like it has TREMENDOUS >potential! (yes, taiyin, you'll have to restrain yourself >from fast-forwarding some kat & bat scenes...but it >should be worth it! :) Oh, you ain't kiddin'! FINALLY Genie is back. I wasn't actually expecting her to show up until the party at ALL. So when suddenly she was on-screen today I was totally shocked (that's what I get for not reading spoilers). Very, very cool. ESPECIALLY the fact that Kat is the one who unmasks her. Heh heh heh. Can't wait! Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" - --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:05:52 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: News, gossip, spoilers At 06:40 PM 5/20/98 -0700, Cagey wrote: > >According to TV Guide, Sarah Brown is due in mid-July and >plans on taking two months off, plus a further two months >on a reduced schedule. Damn. Just when things are REALLY starting to get good, too. >Somebody complained that GH has too many shootings, and >wanted to know why they couldn't use tamer weapons like >ballpoint pens, as PC is doing . Thank you, no. I think PC has all the mobid homicide that I need on a day-to-day basis. >Keesha is being recast. Hhmm. That's interesting. I wonder why they are doing that. Curious. >S >P >O >I >L >E >R >S > >T >O >O > >AJ is supposed to find out that Michael is his son "rather >soon." Oh dear. NO!!!! Damn. This story had the potential for SERIOUS long-term reprocussions (like Ned and Monica's affair, which took YEARS to come to light and is what made the whole thing so much better when it finally did). It's a pitiful waste to cut loose with the truth this soon. Taiyin "What did I do before I had you?" - --"You were lost and confused." -- Lucy and Kevin - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:25:15 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: Parellism At 10:17 PM 5/20/98 -0400, Donald K Gooden wrote: > There is one thing about Sonny's return that I just don't like. For the >most part it has been ok, but I didn't like the way he reacted to the news >about Brenda. I don't know what it was, but it just didn't feel right to >me. Then again I may just be sleep deprived and imagining things. Well, Sonny's reaction was very contained, but that is just very Sonny. He always (well, at least almost always) plays things like that really close to the vest. And, honestly, I think intellectually he really WANTS to be happy for her, because she is happy. I think it's a bit much to ask ANYONE, though, to be totally happy when the person you love is happily in love with someone else. Anyone who says that's possible has obviously never been in that situation, IMO. You can WANT to be happy for them, but it hurts like hell to know that they are perfectly happy without you. My sister got on a Stone/Robin kick this week, so I was up until ALL hours last night watching a bunch of those old eps. It's annoying to watch it with her because she and I like different things. She wanted to watch Stone and Robin, and I was more interested in the people around them. Plus, she had the NERVE to fast-forward through Kevin and Lucy. Had to set her straight about THAT one. No wonder we have two remote controls. ;-) Anyway, while we were watching it, I was thinking about Sonny's reaction to Robin's news about Brenda this week. When I watched it I really WAS disappointed that we didn't get to see more of an emotional reaction -- after all, this is supposed to be a more relaxed, laid back version of Sonny. But while I was watching the very, very end of the storyline, and as Stone was dying, Sonny was SO walled up. And he was so contained and it reminded me of (a.) what I love most about both Sonny, as a character, and Maurice, as an actor, and (b.) that this Sonny is different in some obvious ways (jeans and a t-shirt!!! Did anyone EVER think we'd see Sonny like that???), but that his habit of masking his emotions is more than a habit - -- that is just who he is. So, even though I originally agreed that, yes, there was something disappointing and off-balancing about Sonny's reaciton to Robin's news, and that it didn't seem quite right that this 'new' Sonny who wears jeans and has a goatee would be so buttoned up still, I think it was mostly because it's been too long since we've seen his (well-written) true nature, so I forgot how closed off he really is most of the time. Taiyin TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights out." KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink." KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately." - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:21:44 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: GH/PC: ADMIN: Listowner holiday I just wanted to let you all know that neither Cagey nor I will be available until Tuesday. My sister and I are heading to Vegas for the weekend in an hour or so, and Cagey will be emailless for a few days, too. So, I'm not ignoring you, I promise. And considering what I understand happened on today's GH, I expect LOTS and LOTS of mail when I return on Monday night/Tuesday morning. :-) Have a safe and happy weekend, all! Taiyin TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights out." KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink." KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately." - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:19:50 -0600 From: Rebecca Subject: GH/PC: A question and then some comments-- Hello all-- I have a question about Monica (and can I say first of all that I REALLY appreciate the patience here of people to answer these!). Now, I don't want to be crude or anything, but I understood from the GH anniversary special that she had a mastectomy? It just didn't look like it from that dress she was wearing today-- did I get the wrong impression? I wasn't watching GH at that time-- Now for some comments-- whomever said Jason was looking pretty good (sorry I can't remember who), I second that emotion!! I especially loved the napkin in the shirt when he was eating lunch/dinner w/ Sonny and Robin--and as for Sonny- I forgot how much he added to the show- I love the relationship between he and Jason-- they have such great chemistry together. And Sonny comes back from who knows where and proceeds to make lunch- too cool! Christophori's Dream-- (the Kat and Bat music) I am getting sick of it-- can we please have something else??? Lucky and Liz-- what I like about them is that I am enough of an adult to see where Audrey would be upset, but enough a kid to see how much Liz needed him there and see their side of things-- I like that I don't feel one or the other is completely correct--and they are just too cute, especially today-- it really makes me miss my guy friends from high school-- when we thought we could be that way forever. I really like them a lot. Venus-- she practically jumps off the screen she has so much presence-- why oh why doens't she have anything to do??? Also, I love the scenes with Michael and Carly and Jason, like the one last Friday/Monday, when he makes those gurgly/almost talking noises-- Jason/Steve and Carly/Sarah both looked over and smiled-- I don't know why, but those moments always make me smile. Thanks for keeping with me this far- hope no one's asleep yet :) Rebecca - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Fosseen Subject: GH/PC: Spoilers... Hi all... I wrote a note to one of the listowners the other day to ask the proper way to introduce this information but I never heard back and now they're gone for a few days so I'm gonna wing it. :) I really hope I don't break any rules and that is certainly NOT my intention, but sitting on this is making me crazy!!! :) Below will be some summer preview info as listed in Soap Opera Digest -- if you don't want to know what's going to happen, you REALLY don't want to read this!! For the rest of you, meet ya below the spoiler space... S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E Okay! Here's the scoop: Guza on GH: ~~Luke/Laura/Stefan/Katherine:~~ (leaving out what's already happened...) "Ultimately, Laura's return for the masked ball leads to a climactic confrontation that directly results in a tragedy. Her return is going to test her strength and the strength of her love for Luke in ways that they have never been tested. And what happens in the unraveling of the events at Wyndemere is that secrets start coming out. Luke and Laura realize how much they've kept from one another and there are repercussions for Lucky *and* Nikolas." ~~Jax/Brenda/Sonny/Jerry:~~ (Leaving out the basics that we already know or assume) "Two more things we're going to play with Brenda & Jax through the summer are: 1)We're going to find out that Jerry is the weak link that could bring down the Jacks fortune. The stuff that Jerry is doing right now is going to blow up big time. And 2)Someone from Brenda's past is rumoured to be returning and if this person does, it's going to turn Brenda's whole world upside down." (BTW, I don't think this means Sonny, but I'm not sure who it does mean!!!) ~~Nurse's Ball:~~ "We're going to arc a story over both GH & PC. Alan's pill use, which has accelerated, will rachet up again during one of the numbers, and there will be a connection to the serial killing hospital murders that have been happening on PC." (HUH??????!!!!!) Lynn Marie Latham on PC: ~~General Homicide:~~ "The murderer is absolutely one of the characters on the show. We won't have some surprise character coming in to take the rap; I hate when shows do that. Also, I have no intention whatsoever of bringing Ryan back from the dead. That doesn't mean that somewhere down the road, someone else won't do it. But Ryan is not the killer." (WOW!! Blows my Allison Skylar theory all to heck, though, don't it??? LOL!!) ~~Ellen/Matt:~~ (Leaving out what has already happened) "But Ellen returns because her mother has a second heart attack. Ellen moves in with Alice to take care of her, and in effect becomes Karen's landlord because Karen rents from Alice." ~~Kevin/Lucy/Victor:~~ "I really enjoy Victor's addition to the Collins/Coe household. It can be very difficult to have a parent come live with you. Through Victor, Kevin will explore his past and understand what really happened to him when he was a child because he doesn't remember a lot of it. It's also interesting to see Lucy cope with Victor and see Victor try to ingratiate himself." That's the best of it....there's more in the magazine but these are the ones that jumped at me....especially the Nurse's Ball and General Homicide!! Yowza!! So...providing I haven't broken any rules and gotten myself kicked off the list, I'm looking forward to everyone's thoughts!! == Take Care...Geri ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ %~}"I believe I am growing skeptical of cynicism."{~% --Chuck Lorre %~}"Do not think you are on the right path just because it is well-beaten."{~% --Unknown ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:46:59 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: GH/PC: Spoilers... At 10:51 PM 5/21/98 -0700, Geri Fosseen wrote: > >I wrote a note to one of the listowners the other day to ask the >proper way to introduce this information but I never heard back and >now they're gone for a few days so I'm gonna wing it. :) Sorry 'about that, Geri. It totally slipped my mind. Yes, this is fine. And it is in no way a violation of any list rules. Taiyin, heading out the door and waiting until Monday to comment... TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights out." KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink." KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately." - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Geri Fosseen Subject: Re: GH/PC: Spoilers... Taiyin -- THANK YOU!!! I went to bed quite nervous, as I've broken so many rules unintentionally -- I was really hoping I hadn't done it again!! I'm SO glad I didn't, as sitting on this article was *killing* me!!!!! So, all I can say is "WHEW!" and have a great trip! Take Care, Geri - ---Taiyin wrote: > > At 10:51 PM 5/21/98 -0700, Geri Fosseen wrote: > > > >I wrote a note to one of the listowners the other day to ask the > >proper way to introduce this information but I never heard back and > >now they're gone for a few days so I'm gonna wing it. :) > > Sorry 'about that, Geri. It totally slipped my mind. > > Yes, this is fine. And it is in no way a violation of any list rules. > > Taiyin, heading out the door and waiting until Monday to comment... > TONY: "I think the high point for me was when he did the tango > with my wife in front of half of Port Charles and I punched his lights > out." KEVIN: "And that's what I would classify as a healthy response. > LUKE: Spoken like a true shrink." KEVIN: "No, spoken like a man > who's thrown a few of his own healthy responses lately." > > - > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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