Hi Lea Anne, I'll really miss you at Think Tank.
I was an elementary school counselor and PD was my whole program. I tau=
ght teachers to do class meetings and worked with parents as co-leaders to d=
o parenting groups -- until the parents eventually led the classes with othe=
r co-leaders. The idea was for each leader to have a co-leader to train. I d=
idn't have to do any testing -- but I'm sure it is different in every State=20=
and school. Then I started doing "counseling" in private practice on the sid=
e. You'll be great. Jane Nelsen
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:34:57 -0400
From: "Suzanne Smitha"
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Lea Anne,
So good to hear from you and learn that you are interested in finishing =
that degree! I have a degree in school psychology, but in our school =
system, I am school based in one elementary school full time and am =
expected to do the school psychology (which includes individual =
testing), the counseling and the school social work (and I did have to =
add classes and training for the counseling and soc. wk.). Each state =
is so different, and it can vary a lot from system to system, so one =
thing I'd suggest is that you talk with some people in the school =
systems near you.
I have worked in private practice doing testing and counseling, and in =
public schools for over 30 years. For me, the school system provides =
wonderful diversity, both in "clients" and in challenges. It gives me =
an opportunity to work with children, parents, teachers, administrators, =
community agencies and on top of that, every problem in the world seems =
to emerge in the school setting at one time or another. It also keeps =
me aware of current trends with children, families and education. I =
love those things...plus, if I do by chance get worn out with one thing, =
there's always something different for the next day. I didn't find =
quite the diversity in private practice that I wanted and found in =
public schools, so I gradually eased out of the private work. I do not =
have to do much administrative work for the counseling part of my job at =
the elementary level and am able to focus almost entirely on individual =
or small group counseling and helping teachers with class meetings. =20
Counselors I have met in the counties near me do not have to do much =
administrative work at the elementary level either. They are often =
locked in to teaching almost all day, however, with classes rotating to =
them as they rotate to PE, Art, etc., in order for classroom teachers to =
have a planning break during the day. They do have some time for =
individual and small group counseling.
I hope the above comments help you figure out what you might like to do =
most. Whichever way you go, you'll be great at it, and chances are you =
can ease out of one and into another along the way if you get the main =
degree behind you.
Good luck, and keep us posted! =20
Suzanne Smitha
Charlotte, NC
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Lea Anne Nelson=20
To: posdis@lists.xmission.com ; certifiedpda@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: (posdis) Let me know your thoughts
Hi folks!
Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The program was =
"Counselor Education" and students can pursue school counseling or an =
LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My =
last class was in 1998 just before my first child was born. In the two =
years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit program. I'm ready to =
complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just have two =
classes to go!
I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of an LPC (for =
now).=20
The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor what have =
been your experiences? What age group do you work with? =20
I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the position -- =
testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach the =
kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive =
Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on =
the path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your =
honest impressions of the field.
I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to reading all your =
responses when I return! Happy summer.
Best regards,
--Lea Anne
Lea Anne Nelson
The Parent Training Center
www.parenttrainingcenter.com
LeaAnne@parenttrainingcenter.com
757-410-0617
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Lea Anne,
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but in our school system, I am school based in one elementary =
school full=20
time and am expected to do the school psychology (which includes =
individual=20
testing), the counseling and the school social work (and I did have to =
add=20
classes and training for the counseling and soc. wk.). Each state =
is so=20
different, and it can vary a lot from system to system, so one thing I'd =
suggest=20
is that you talk with some people in the school systems near =
you.
I have worked in private practice doing =
testing and=20
counseling, and in public schools for over 30 years. For me, =
the=20
school system provides wonderful diversity, both in "clients" and =
in=20
challenges. It gives me an opportunity to work with children, =
parents,=20
teachers, administrators, community agencies and on top of that, every =
problem=20
in the world seems to emerge in the school setting at one time or =
another. =20
It also keeps me aware of current trends with children, families=20
and education. I love those things...plus, if I do by chance =
get worn=20
out with one thing, there's always something different for the next =
day. I=20
didn't find quite the diversity in private practice that I wanted and =
found in=20
public schools, so I gradually eased out of the private work. I do =
not have=20
to do much administrative work for the counseling part of my job at the=20
elementary level and am able to focus almost entirely on individual or =
small=20
group counseling and helping teachers with class meetings. =
Counselors I have met in the =
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do not have to do much administrative work at the =
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either. They are often locked in to teaching almost all day, =
however, with=20
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counseling.
I hope the above comments help you =
figure out what=20
you might like to do most. Whichever way you go, you'll be great =
at it,=20
and chances are you can ease out of one and into another along the =
way if=20
you get the main degree behind you.
Good luck, and keep us posted! =
Suzanne Smitha
Charlotte, NC
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From:=20
Lea Anne Nelson =
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 =
9:00=20
AM
Subject: (posdis) Let me know =
your=20
thoughts
Hi =
folks!
Back in 1996 I =
started a degree=20
in counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and =
students can=20
pursue school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional =
counselor). =20
Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before =
my=20
first child was born. In the two years I completed 34 credits =
out of a=20
51 credit program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits =
will be=20
internship) so I just have two classes to go!
I'm now considering =
becoming a=20
school counselor instead of an LPC (for now).
The question to the =
group ....=20
if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? =
What age=20
group do you work with?
I realize there is =
some=20
administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm =
hopeful=20
that there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents =
with=20
counseling techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your =
insight will=20
really help me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no =
pressure=20
;) -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the=20
field.
I'm off to the beach =
for a=20
week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I =
return! =20
Happy summer.
Best =
regards,
--Lea=20
Anne
Lea Anne Nelson
The Parent Training Center
www.parenttrainingcenter.com=
LeaAnne@parenttrainingce=
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757-410-0617
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:08:12 +0000
From: copeland00@att.net
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Hi LeaAnne,
Prior to being a stay at home mom....I worked as a Grade School Counselor in a medium sized rural/suburban district. I loved my job! Every day was a new adventure. Even though I tried to structure my day, there were always a few suprises! The kids were the best and kept me coming back! The district I worked in was very supportive of grade school counselors. I had supportive contacts at the district level and other grade school counselors who I met with regularly to share ideas, concerns and successes.
Our school Psych did all the testing and early on I set boundaries so that I wasn't the one to provide discipline, lunchroom duty or playground duty. I was fortunate to be full time at one school. This allowed me to provide school wide programs, classroom guidance, groups, limited one on one counseling, and many meetings with parents. I found it very helpful to have a very clear picture of what I was willing to do and not to do. As a counselor, I found that I could get lots of requests from teachers, principals, parents and students. If I didn't have boundaries, I would have quickly become very ineffective and burned out!!.
Some of the downfalls of my job were dealing with CPS related issues and internal leadership problems at my school. The CPS issues were a big learning experience! Fortunately, we had a district Social Worker that had a lot of experience in this area. I learned a lot from her and became a little more at ease as I gained more knowledge. If I were to go back to School Counseling, I would ask a lot more interview questions about the school's discipline procedures and about the school environment. I would choose to go to a "winning" school that is moving in a positive direction that fits more closely to my beliefs...Amazing how many schools are still in the mindset of punishment and rewards.
During the last few years of my job, I studied and practiced William Glasser's Choice Theory and Reality Therapy....hadn't found Adlerian Psych. yet! I found it very helpful to know one Theory very well! Your experience in Pos. Disc. should be a great asset.
In all....I felt like I did "reach" the kids....reached a few parents and teachers too!
I could go on and on! But I'll just stick with the basics! If you have any more questions or need clarification on what I wrote, please let me know! School Counselors can have such an effect on schools, parents, kids and our communities. How great it would be to have a school with a Counselor that knows Positive Discipline....it is so applicable at the school level! Good luck in your journey!! Hope you enjoyed the beach!
Melanie Miller, Kirkland, WA (Seattle!)
Hi folks!
I'm missing Think Tank this year, but thought I'd tap into your wonderful minds and insights via cyberspace.
Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and students can pursue school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before my first child was born. In the two years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just have two classes to go!
I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of an LPC (for now).
The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? What age group do you work with?
I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the field.
I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I return! Happy summer.
Best regards,
--Lea Anne
Lea Anne Nelson
The Parent Training Center
www.parenttrainingcenter.com
LeaAnne@parenttrainingcenter.com
757-410-0617
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Hi LeaAnne,
Prior to being a stay at home mom....I worked as a Grade School Counselor in a medium sized rural/suburban district. I loved my job! Every day was a new adventure. Even though I tried to structure my day, there were always a few suprises! The kids were the best and kept me coming back! The district I worked in was very supportive of grade school counselors. I had supportive contacts at the district level and other grade school counselors who I met with regularly to share ideas, concerns and successes.
Our school Psych did all the testing and early on I set boundaries so that I wasn't the one to provide discipline, lunchroom duty or playground duty. I was fortunate to be full time at one school. This allowed me to provide school wide programs, classroom guidance, groups, limited one on one counseling, and many meetings with parents. I found it very helpful to have a very clear picture of what I was willing to do and not to do. As a counselor, I found that I could get lots of requests from teachers, principals, parents and students. If I didn't have boundaries, I would have quickly become very ineffective and burned out!!.
Some of the downfalls of my job were dealing with CPS related issues and internal leadership problems at my school. The CPS issues were a big learning experience! Fortunately, we had a district Social Worker that had a lot of experience in this area. I learned a lot from her and became a little more at ease as I gained more knowledge. If I were to go back to School Counseling, I would ask a lot more interview questions about the school's discipline procedures and about the school environment. I would choose to go to a "winning" school that is moving in a positive direction that fits more closely to my beliefs...Amazing how many schools are still in the mindset of punishment and rewards.
During the last few years of my job, I studied and practiced William Glasser's Choice Theory and Reality Therapy....hadn't found Adlerian Psych. yet! I found it very helpful to know one Theory very well! Your experience in Pos. Disc. should be a great asset.
In all....I felt like I did "reach" the kids....reached a few parents and teachers too!
I could go on and on! But I'll just stick with the basics! If you have any more questions or need clarification on what I wrote, please let me know! School Counselors can have such an effect on schools, parents, kids and our communities. How great it would be to have a school with a Counselor that knows Positive Discipline....it is so applicable at the school level! Good luck in your journey!! Hope you enjoyed the beach!
Melanie Miller, Kirkland, WA (Seattle!)
Hi folks!
I'm missing Think Tank this year, but thought I'd tap into your wonderful minds and insights via cyberspace.
Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and students can pursue school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before my first child was born. In the two years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just have two classes to go!
I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of an LPC (for now).
The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? What age group do you work with?
I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the field.
I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I return! Happy summer.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:35:24 -0600
From: Lisa Stroyan
Subject: (posdis) New discussion group- AP-Discipline
Dear Parents,
Elizabeth Fine Crocker and I have created a new discussion group:
AP-Discipline!
How does attachment parenting extend into the way we raise our children
throughout the various stages of childhood? Are you an AP parent
committed to bringing AP values into the area of discipline? Or are you
are not familiar with
"AP Parenting", but are looking for more peace and connection with your family?
This group is a place to learn, explore, and get support for
responsive, respectful, non-punitive discipline as advocated by
Attachment Parenting International. (www.attachmentparenting.org)
We hope you will find this group a great source of support and information!
Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/AP-Discipline, or send email to
"AP-Discipline-subscribe@yahoogroups.com" to join. Please be sure to say
where you heard
of us. To see more about the group, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP-Discipline.
This group will focus on the area of discipline (from an AP
perspective). It will not be a general discussion group for other AP
related issues like nursing, co-sleeping etc- unless those topics
overlap in regard to our focus topic.
Many families begin parenting with an interest in AP tools and values
and over time as children become more independent sometimes
parents feel at a loss, often reacting in ways that
are not respectful or nurturing because they feel they have no options.
We hope to create a supportive community to explore our options and
raise our children- of any age- consistently with the values we have
expressed in attachment parenting in early childhood.
Please feel free to forward this email to invite the parents in your
other AP parenting groups!
We are both very excited about this group! We look forward to "seeing you"
all there -
Elizabeth Fine Crocker and Lisa Stroyan
Owners AP-Discipline
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:51:05 -0600
From: Lisa Stroyan
Subject: (posdis) (fixed links) New discussion group- AP-Discipline
(My previous message had a comma and period after the links without a space
so the links are broken. Sorry for the duplicate message - here is a fixed
one! My apologies - Lisa)
Dear Parents,
Elizabeth Fine Crocker and I have created a new discussion group:
AP-Discipline!
How does attachment parenting extend into the way we raise our children
throughout the various stages of childhood? Are you an AP parent
committed to bringing AP values into the area of discipline? Or are you
are not familiar with
"AP Parenting", but are looking for more peace and connection with your family?
This group is a place to learn, explore, and get support for
responsive, respectful, non-punitive discipline as advocated by
Attachment Parenting International. (www.attachmentparenting.org)
We hope you will find this group a great source of support and information!
Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/AP-Discipline , or send email to
"AP-Discipline-subscribe@yahoogroups.com" to join. Please be sure to say
where you heard
of us. To see more about the group, go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP-Discipline .
This group will focus on the area of discipline (from an AP
perspective). It will not be a general discussion group for other AP
related issues like nursing, co-sleeping etc- unless those topics
overlap in regard to our focus topic.
Many families begin parenting with an interest in AP tools and values
and over time as children become more independent sometimes
parents feel at a loss, often reacting in ways that
are not respectful or nurturing because they feel they have no options.
We hope to create a supportive community to explore our options and
raise our children- of any age- consistently with the values we have
expressed in attachment parenting in early childhood.
Please feel free to forward this email to invite the parents in your
other AP parenting groups!
We are both very excited about this group! We look forward to "seeing you"
all there -
Elizabeth Fine Crocker and Lisa Stroyan
Owners AP-Discipline
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:58:16 EDT
From: JaneNelsen@aol.com
Subject: (posdis) Re: request for special program
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In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:13:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
jjgrodi@ameritech.net writes:
Our community needs your help!!
I am a psychologist who uses many of your materials when working with
parents and kids, and I whole-heartedly support your approach and philosophy.
I am also part of a community visioning process (on the parent education &
support committee). Our juvenile justice system is working to introduce a
"Balanced and Restorative Justice" initiative, which is a wonderful concept that
aligns beautifully with Positive Discipline. However, they have been
approached by "The Parent Project" which is a very well organized, comprehensively
structured, and wonderfully presented program with impressive outcome studies.
But I reviewed its manual, and it is, at its core, about controlling kids
through a one-size-fits-all punishment disguised as a consequence and trying to
censor everything the kids hear, see, and do. Do you have, or do you know of
any programs that focus on adolescents that are acting out in
destructive/violent ways that embraces a philosophy similar to Positive Discipline?
I would be so greatful for any input you may have.
Sincerely,
Jill Grodi, Psy.D.
Monroe, Michigan
Hi Jill, You are my kind of people -- those who "get" that consequences are
usually nothing more than disguised punishment. I don't know of any other
programs that are as good as Positive Discipline and that have the necessary
research. We are working on it. Have you seen our research papers on the website?
I'm sending a cc to a list of people who work with or are interested in PD.
Maybe one of them knows of a program.
We have found that most of the programs that say "research based" are realy
based on other programs that are research based. We can say that. Wish we
could help you. Jane Nelsen
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I would be so greatful for any input you may=20
have.
Sincerely,
Jill Grodi, Psy.D.
Monroe, Michigan
Hi Jill, You are my kind of people -- those who "get" that consequences=
are=20
usually nothing more than disguised punishment. I don't know of any other=20
programs that are as good as Positive Discipline and that have the necessary=
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research. We are working on it. Have you seen our research papers on the=20
website?
I'm sending a cc to a list of people who work with or are interested in=
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Maybe one of them knows of a program.
We have found that most of the programs that say "research based" are r=
ealy=20
based on other programs that are research based. We can say that. Wish we co=
uld=20
help you. Jane Nelsen
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:15:16 -0700
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HI Jane - just wanted you to know that 'The Parent Project' is something
that is being used by county programs in our area also, and I agree with
Jill's assessment.
=20
Penny G. Davis
Coordinator, Parenting & Wellness Education Program
=20
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From: JaneNelsen@aol.com [mailto:JaneNelsen@aol.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:58 AM
To: jjgrodi@ameritech.net
Cc: posdis@lists.xmission.com
Subject: (posdis) Re: request for special program
=20
In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:13:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
jjgrodi@ameritech.net writes:
Our community needs your help!!
=20
I am a psychologist who uses many of your materials when working
with parents and kids, and I whole-heartedly support your approach and
philosophy.=20
=20
I am also part of a community visioning process (on the parent
education & support committee). Our juvenile justice system is working
to introduce a "Balanced and Restorative Justice" initiative, which is a
wonderful concept that aligns beautifully with Positive Discipline.
However, they have been approached by "The Parent Project" which is a
very well organized, comprehensively structured, and wonderfully
presented program with impressive outcome studies. But I reviewed its
manual, and it is, at its core, about controlling kids through a
one-size-fits-all punishment disguised as a consequence and trying to
censor everything the kids hear, see, and do. Do you have, or do you
know of any programs that focus on adolescents that are acting out in
destructive/violent ways that embraces a philosophy similar to Positive
Discipline?
=20
I would be so greatful for any input you may have.
=20
Sincerely,=20
Jill Grodi, Psy.D.
Monroe, Michigan
Hi Jill, You are my kind of people -- those who "get" that consequences
are usually nothing more than disguised punishment. I don't know of any
other programs that are as good as Positive Discipline and that have the
necessary research. We are working on it. Have you seen our research
papers on the website?
=20
I'm sending a cc to a list of people who work with or are interested in
PD. Maybe one of them knows of a program.
=20
We have found that most of the programs that say "research based" are
realy based on other programs that are research based. We can say that.
Wish we could help you. Jane Nelsen
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HI Jane – =
just wanted
you to know that ‘The Parent Project’ is something that is =
being
used by county programs in our area also, and I agree with Jill’s
assessment.
Penny G.
Davis
Coordinator,
Parenting & Wellness Education Program
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Message-----
From: JaneNelsen@aol.com
[mailto:JaneNelsen@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, =
2004
9:58 AM
To: =
jjgrodi@ameritech.net
Cc: =
posdis@lists.xmission.com
Subject: (posdis) Re: =
request for
special program
In a
message dated 6/30/2004 10:13:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
jjgrodi@ameritech.net writes:
Our
community needs your help!!
I am a
psychologist who uses many of your materials when working with parents =
and
kids, and I whole-heartedly support your approach and philosophy. =
I am
also part of a community visioning process (on the parent education =
&
support committee). Our juvenile justice system is working to introduce =
a
"Balanced and Restorative Justice" initiative, which is a =
wonderful
concept that aligns beautifully with Positive Discipline. However, they =
have
been approached by "The Parent Project" which is a very well
organized, comprehensively structured, and wonderfully presented =
program with
impressive outcome studies. But I reviewed its manual, and it is, at its =
core,
about controlling kids through a one-size-fits-all punishment disguised =
as a
consequence and trying to censor everything the kids hear, see, and do. =
Do you
have, or do you know of any
programs that focus on adolescents that are =
acting out
in destructive/violent ways that embraces a philosophy similar to =
Positive
Discipline?
I would
be so greatful for any input you may have.
Hi
Jill, You are my kind of people -- those who "get" that =
consequences
are usually nothing more than disguised punishment. I don't know of any =
other
programs that are as good as Positive Discipline and that have the =
necessary
research. We are working on it. Have you seen our research papers on the
website?
I'm
sending a cc to a list of people who work with or are interested in PD. =
Maybe
one of them knows of a program.
We have
found that most of the programs that say "research based" are =
realy
based on other programs that are research based. We can say that. Wish =
we could
help you. Jane Nelsen
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