From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Oct 1999 08:48:24 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Article forwarded to you from a friend (fwd) Date: 01 Oct 1999 10:58:23 -0700 Ditto for Bellevue Wa (generally), the cops here are hogtied by departmental red tape (it's "policy" here to roll backup on traffic stops involving identified ccw holders) and still do a good respectful job. All of my training has been with active cops (Marty Hayes at Firearms Academy of Seattle and Ayoob), obviously all of them not only encourage CCW but fight for it when possible. Barring -evidence- of corrupt behaviour we need to be -careful- who we declare our political enemies, we have enough already. Boyd "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" wrote: > > The cops where I live (in my town) in New Hampshire are for the most part, > good guys. > > >From what I hear the chief signs Class 3 applications on the spot if the > person requesting has a NH pistol permit. One of the officers on the force > is one of John Farnham's instructor helpers when Farnham is in the area, > and they seem to be respectful of others and to support gun rights > generally. > > Maybe big city cops are as described, but there are a lot of cops in the > country who are good decent folk. (One of the Lieutenants in Salt Lake > City, when I lived there, even went to DC to testify in front of Congress > in favor of gun rights, much to his chief's unhappiness) > > Best > Chad > > --On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 11:28 AM -0700 "." > wrote: > > > I think you are living in the "good old days." I have never seen a police > > officer on the witness stand who did not lie through his teeth. I have > > never seen a police officer who thought that his first duty was to uphold > > the Constitution (or who had even READ the document since high school). I > > have never seen a police officer who was more concerned over my exercise > > of free speech than someone else's "being bothered" by it. > > As a friend of mine is wont to say, "If there were good cops, there would > > be no bad cops." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Vance > > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:00 AM > > Subject: Article forwarded to you from a friend (fwd) > > > > > >> I'll note that most Police are good folks, but their appointed leadership > >> and the National organizations they've created, are not allways our > > friends. > >> I haven't checked this site out yet, but it could have stuff from both > >> sorts, so be aware. > >> > >> On Sep 27, referred@apbonline.com wrote: > >> > >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message > > follows --------------------] > >> > >> fred connolly (assetnj@aol.com) has forwarded the following article to > >> you from APBnews.com. Click on the address below to view the article: > >> > >> http://www.apbnews.com/cjsystem/1999/09/24/shooter0924_01.html?stf.mail > >> > >> fred connolly also adds the following message: > >> Finally, a PRO gun story > >> > >> APBnews.com (http://www.apbnews.com) is the source for police and crime > >> news, information and entertainment. APB 911 E-mail Alert subscribers > >> can get up-to-the-minute details on the latest police and crime news and > >> developments. Sign up for APB 911 E-mail Alerts at > >> http://www.apbnews.com/email/index.html > >> > >> [------------------------- end of forwarded > > message ------------------------] > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> --- > > - > >> RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > > RKBA! > >> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------------- > >> --- > > - > >> An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath > >> no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell > >> his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and > >> buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > >> sword.--Jesus > > Christ > >> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------------- > >> --- > > - > >> > >> - > >> > > > > > > - > > > > Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC > Web and Macintosh Consulting -- full service web hosting > Chad Leigh > chad@pengar.com chad@shire.net > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] Clinton: Rape Allegations (fwd) Date: 01 Oct 1999 16:12:54 PST On Oct 1, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Finally, RICO Laws being used. Why didn't Ken Starr think of that? Rich Martin Editor of Slick http://www.judicialwatch.org/ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE,=20 Contact: Tom Fitton (202) 646-5172 Clinton: Rape Allegations Are =93Partisan Rant=94 President Belittles Juanita Broaddrick=92s Rape Charges Judicial Watch Seeks Quick Court Action to Preserve and Perpetuate Testimony of Threatened Women (Washington, July 28) President Clinton, through a legal brief filed in federal court on July 12 by his personal attorney David Kendall, called the accusations of rape against him by Juanita Broaddrick =93partisan rant.=94 The brief was filed in the RICO (Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) lawsuit brought by Dolly Kyle Browning against Bill Clinton and others. The lawsuit alleges, among other things, that defendants Bill Clinton and Bruce Lindsey engaged in a pattern of threatening women in order to obtain and maintain hold on the office of the presidency. In addition to the threats and intimidation against Browning and Broaddrick, the suit alleges a RICO pattern of threats and intimidation against Linda Tripp, Kathleen Willey, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, and other women. (For instance, in its ongoing Filegate lawsuit, Judicial Watch uncovered that Bill Clinton and Bruce Lindsey conspired to destroy the reputation of Kathleen Willey through the illegal release of her Privacy Act-protected letters to the media.) Also named as defendants in the Browning lawsuit are Bob Bennett, Marsha Scott, Jane Mayer and The New Yorker magazine. Clinton=92s brief came in response to a motion filed recently by Judicial Watch to perpetuate the testimony of nine women who through sworn testimony, media interviews, and other means have alleged that President Clinton and his agents have threatened and intimidated them. The Judicial Watch brief, which is available on its Internet site at www.judicialwatch.org, seeks Court leave to depose quickly these nine women in order to preserve and perpetuate their testimony before they are further threatened, harmed, flee the Court=92s jurisdiction, or even worse. Clinton=92s brief refers to the allegations of Broaddrick and the other women as mere =93partisan rant.=94 Despite Bill Clinton=92s flippant dismissal of serious rape and other allegations, Dolly Kyle Browning intends to hold him and his agents accountable for the actions they took against her and other women. To join the Waco discussion group,=20 Click here ----> waco-group-subscribe@egroup= s.co m To join the Slick discussion group,=20 Click here ----> slick-d-subscribe@egroups.c= om To subscribe to the Slick e-zine, send e-mail to RichSlick@aol.com for deta= ils. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A Liberal Democrat's Lament (fwd) Date: 02 Oct 1999 10:30:02 PST On Oct 2, liberty_mls@softhome.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] for those of you that might have missed this: A Liberal Democrat's Lament - Gun Control is Racist, Sexist, & Classist by Robert J. Cottrol from the September/October issue of The American Enterprise Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used and that definite rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of the citizen to bear arms is just one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible. -Hubert Humphrey, 1960 My background is probably atypical for a somewhat high-profile supporter of the right to keep and bear arms. I am black and grew up in Manhattan's East Harlem, far removed from the great American gun culture of rural, white America. Although my voting patterns have become somewhat more conservative in recent years, I remain in my heart of hearts a 1960s Humphrey Democrat concerned with the plight of those most vulnerable in American society-minorities, the poor, the elderly, and single women-groups whose day-to-day realities are often overlooked in our public policy debates, people whose lives too often go unnoticed by our intellectually timid chattering classes. This is happening in the public debate over the right to bear arms. For the nation's elites, the Second Amendment has become the Rodney Dangerfield of the Bill of Rights, constantly attacked by editorial writers, police chiefs seeking scapegoats, demagoging politicians, and most recently even by Rosie O'Donnell, no less. It is threatened by opportunistic legislative efforts, even when sponsors acknowledge their proposed legislation would have little impact on crime and violence. Professional champions of civil rights and civil liberties have been unwilling to defend the underlying principle of the right to arms. Even the conservative defense has been timid and often inept, tied less, one suspects, to abiding principle and more to the dynamics of contemporary Republican politics. Thus a right older than the Republic, one that the drafters of two constitutional amendments the Second and the Fourteenth intended to protect, and a right whose critical importance has been painfully revealed by twentieth-century history, is left undefended by the lawyers, writers, and scholars we routinely expect to defend other constitutional rights. Instead, the Second Amendment's intellectual as well as political defense has been left in the unlikely hands of the National Rifle Association (NRA). And although the NRA deserves considerably better than the demonized reputation it has acquired, it should not be the sole or even principal voice in defense of a major constitutional provision. This anemic defense is all the more embarrassing because it occurs as mounting evidence severely undermines the three propositions that have been central to the anti-gun movement since its appearance on the national radar screen in the 1960s. The first proposition is that the Constitution, particularly the Second Amendment, poses no barrier to radical gun control, even total prohibition of private firearms. The second is that ordinary citizens with firearms are unlikely to defend themselves and are more likely to harm innocent parties with their guns. The final proposition is that the case for radical gun control is buttressed by comparing the United States to nations with more restrictive firearms policies. These propositions, now conventional wisdom, simply do not stand up to scrutiny. The proposition that the Second Amendment poses no barrier to gun prohibition-a claim largely unknown before the 1960s-has run up against stubborn, contrary historical facts. Increasingly, historians and legal scholars, including many who support stricter gun control, have examined the history of the Second Amendment, the development of the right to arms in English political thought, judicial commentaries on the right in antebellum America, and the debates over the Fourteenth Amendment. The consensus among scholars who have actually looked at the evidence is that the Second and Fourteenth Amendments were meant to protect the citizen's right to arms. (See, for example, historian Joyce Lee Malcolm's Harvard University Press book, To Keep and Bear Arms, or the historical documents assembled in the three Gun Control and the Constitution volumes I've edited.) Similarly, the criminological premises of the anti-gun movement have collapsed in the face of serious social science. For better than three decades the American public has been solemnly assured that peaceable citizens who possess guns for self-defense are disasters in waiting. "A gun in the home is more likely to kill a member of the family than to defend against an intruder," we hear. "Allowing citizens to carry firearms outside the home for self-protection will turn our streets into Dodge City and our parking lots into the O.K. Corral," the refrain goes. Yet the criminological literature provides little support for this caricature of gun owners. Instead, careful research has discovered an incredibly high amount of firearms' being responsibly used in self-defense. Research by Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck and others indicate between two and three million cases of self-defense per year. Overwhelmingly these incidents involve not firing the weapon at the attacker, but simply brandishing it and thereby causing the attacker's withdrawal. In recent years a majority of states have passed laws permitting honest citizens to carry concealed weapons, and the results tell us much about self-defense and the responsibility of the average citizen. Once it was passionately argued that such laws would turn minor altercations into bloody shoot-outs; now we know better. Over 1 million Americans have licenses to carry firearms, but firearms misuse by this group has been utterly negligible. Criminologists now debate not how much harm has been caused by concealed-carry laws, but how much good. The most thorough research, by John Lott of the University of Chicago, reveals that concealed-carry laws have had a substantial deterrent effect on crimes of violence. His work shows that women, especially, have benefitted, as substantial drops in rapes and attacks on women have occurred where the laws have been enacted. Lott also discovered dramatic benefits for the urban poor and minorities: "Not only do urban areas tend to gain in their fight against crime, but reductions in crime rates are greatest precisely in those urban areas that have the highest crime rates, largest and most dense populations, and greatest concentrations of minorities." The final proposition-that international comparisons prove the case for radical gun control-may be the most problematic of all. Certainly the simplistic conclusion that American homicide rates are higher than those in Western Europe and Japan because of the greater prevalence of firearms glosses over significant cultural and demographic differences between us and other advanced industrial nations. The American population is younger and more diverse. Unlike Western Europe and Japan, the United States has always had a large number of immigrants and internal migrants. We also have a history of racial exclusion and a struggle against that exclusion as old as the Republic and without real parallel in comparable nations. All of these have contributed to crime rates higher than those in other western nations. Indeed, when a number of the cultural and demographic variables are controlled for, much of the apparent difference between American and Western European homicide rates disappearsdespite the greater presence of firearms in America ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Dr. Laura Schlessinger: Time for good Americans to get guns (fwd) Date: 02 Oct 1999 10:31:10 PST On Oct 02, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE !!ALERT!! Chris W. Stark - Director P.O. Box 1924 Crosby, Texas 77532-1924 Ph. (281) 787-4111 Fax (281) 328-7505 http://www.GOA-Texas.org email: Director@GOA-Texas.org 10/01/1999 -------- Dr. Laura Schlessinger: Time for good Americans to get guns _________________________ Copyright A9 1999 by Gun Owners Alliance (GOA-Texas). Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert is left intact in its original state. For those of you who do not know, Dr. Laura Schlessinger is on national radio, and covers a VERY large audience. She is beginning to see the importance of the 2nd amendment! She used to be quite anti-gun! But that is changing! She gives her snail mail address for people to write her in regards to her article below. It would be great if we could send her pro 2nd amendment books, articles and tapes, and just a personalized letter, for she can and will be VERY instrumental in reaching the masses, due to her national status. NOW IS OUR CHANCE FOR A POSITIVE LIGHT TO BE SHED ON THE 2nd AMENDMENT BY SOMEONE THAT CAN REACH THE MASSES! WRITE HER NOW! Please send correspondence to Dr. Laura in care of Universal Press Syndicate, 4520 Main St., Kansas City, Mo. 64111. 1999 DR. LAURA SCHLESSINGER # # # # # # # # PUBLICATION: The Regina Leader-Post DATE: 99.09.08 SECTION: Lifestyles PAGE: C2 COLUMN: Dr. Laura BYLINE: Schlessinger, Laura Sadly, it's time for good Americans to get guns I'm right in the middle of a big change of attitude about a very important subject. And I know a lot of my readers and listeners to my radio program may be shocked. But people who have known me over time know that I'm someone who evolves in public. That is, when I start changing my mind about something or discover new information or some truth about my own life or life in general, I'm usually pretty straightforward about the process with my colleagues and my fans. The first event that caused me to rethink my position on this topic was the shootings in Atlanta, where a man went into two office buildings and gunned down total strangers, then killed himself in his car later that day. I thought about the difference it might have made - lives saved instead of lost - if someone in one of those offices had been armed. The murderer might well have been foiled in his reign of terror before so many innocent people died. That thought caused me to remember a time several years ago when I felt completely safe in my hometown of Los Angeles. It was after the major earthquake in 1994, and the National Guard was everywhere. There they were, it seemed, on every corner - uniformed, armed, ammunition slung across their chests, ready. As I recall, there was absolutely no crime in Los Angeles at that time - no break-ins, no holdups, no car-jackings. Nada. The bad guys obviously didn't want to risk getting shot. I went on the air then and said, "Gee, why can't these guys just stay here?", and everyone freaked out. Now, I knew then and know now that that's not what the National Guard is for, but it was nice to feel so secure for those few weeks. In thinking about the difference an armed civilian or security guard might have made in Atlanta, I thought back to my trip to Israel this summer and how many people walking around, especially on the West Bank, were armed out of a genuine and persistent need to protect themselves. No one was shooting. There was no display of firepower or anything like that. It was just taken for granted. I know that's a unique situation, because from its inception Israel has been under constant attack by neighboring countries as well as terrorists. So they have a demonstrable need for self-defense. We, on the other hand, are self- destructing. We don't need an external force. We are breeding our own evil here. Child killers, killer children, private militias, home-grown and imported terrorists, to say nothing of old-fashioned, garden variety psychopaths and criminals - all armed and dangerous and now encouraged, educated in evil and joined in unholy conspiracy on the World Wide Web. There are obviously lots and lots of reasons why our society - once so revered and respected around the world - is unraveling and degenerating. But one of them is the unbridled license of communication on the Internet. I hear from so many people about the shock and despair the Internet has brought into their homes. The Internet is the most recent and most powerful tool to be commandeered by the sick evildoers in our midst. It spreads the virus of hate and germs of pathology like wildfire around the world, infecting more and more people, especially our neglected and vulnerable youth. Many of the most recent horrendous crimes have been committed by jerks, scum, low-life's and dim bulbs who hang around the Internet because they have no life, fantasize about becoming heroes through hate, and are emboldened to act out by others in cyberspace who support them. Even before the horror of the most recent attack on children in a Los Angeles Jewish center near my home, I was in the process of making up my mind to find a nice police officer or sheriff to teach me how to responsibly fire a gun. I can hardly believe I'm saying this, because I have been opposed to the idea that everyone should be free to bear arms. But the unpredictability of where danger strikes next, coupled with the frequency with which it happens, has led me to think that we "good guys" need to have more of the mentality of the beleaguered Israelis. And, of course, we need to have their attitude as well. No one is gun-happy over there. They don't show off, do stupid things. I agree that everyone who carries a gun must be licensed and that the regulations should be very strict. In order to be allowed to carry a gun, I think we should have to pass a test to make sure we can take it apart, put it back together again, clean it, load it, unload it, etc. And we should have to pass a marksman's test to get the gun and periodic tests to be allowed to keep it. To be perfectly honest, I haven't thought this all the way through. It's just that I'm getting more and more concerned about the direction in which our society is moving, and it's becoming clearer and clearer that we need protection from ourselves. I know this shocks a whole lot of you. And I'm sorry. Please send correspondence to Dr. Laura in care of Universal Press Syndicate, 4520 Main St., Kansas City, Mo. 64111. 1999 DR. LAURA SCHLESSINGER _________________________________________________________________ Help Support the work of Gun Owners Alliance! 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Occasionally I may be inspired to write a brief editorial. If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field. If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field. for Liberty (for all), Bill Utterback butterb@connecti.com ----- "We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors would all become wolves." Thomas Jefferson "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." Samuel Adams "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds, 339 U.S. 382,442 ----- World's Smallest Political Quiz http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ Fully Informed Jury Association http://www.fija.org/ Gun Owners of America http://www.gunowners.org/ Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://www.JPFO.org/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - n society. But international comparisons should raise deeper and more disturbing questions, questions too rarely asked in serious company. The central and usually unchallenged premise of the gun control movement is that society becomes more civilized when the citizen surrenders the means of self-defense, leaving the state a monopoly of force. That this premise goes largely unchallenged is the most remarkable feature of our gun control debate. We are ending a century that has repeatedly witnessed the consequences of unchecked state monopolies of force. University of Hawaii political scientist Rudolph J. Rummel, one of the leading students of democide (mass murder of civilian populations by governments), has estimated that nearly 170 million people have been murdered by their own governments in our century. The familiar list of mass murderers- Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot-only scratches the surface. The mass slaughter of helpless, unarmed civilian populations continues to this very day in Sudan, Rwanda, and parts of the former Yugoslavia. The reluctance of outside forces to intervene is well documented. And yet the obvious question is strangely absent: Would arms in the hands of average citizens have made a difference? Could the overstretched Nazi war machine have murdered 11 million armed and resisting Europeans while also taking on the Soviet and Anglo-American armies? Could 50,000-70,000 Khmer Rouge have butchered 2-3 million armed Cambodians? These questions bear repeating. The answers are by no means clear, but it is unconscionable they are not being asked. Need Americans have such concerns? Well, we have been spared rule by dictators, but state tyranny can come in other forms. It can come when government refuses to protect unpopular groups-people who are disfavored because of their political or religious beliefs, or their ancestry, or the color of their skin. Our past has certainly not been free of this brand of state tyranny. In the Jim Crow South, for example, government failed and indeed refused to protect blacks from extra-legal violence. Given our history, it's stunning we fail to question those who would force upon us a total reliance on the state for defense. Nor should our discussion of freedom and the right to arms be limited to foreign or historical examples. The lives and freedoms of decent, law-abiding citizens throughout our nation, especially in our dangerous inner cities, are constantly threatened by criminal predators. This has devastated minority communities. And yet the effort to limit the right to armed self-defense has been most intense in such communities. Bans on firearms ownership in public housing, the constant effort to ban pistols poor people can afford-scornfully labeled "Saturday Night Specials" and more recently "junk guns"-are denying the means of self-defense to entire communities in a failed attempt to disarm criminal predators. In too many communities, particularly under-protected minority communities, citizens have simply been disarmed and left to the mercy of well-armed criminals. This has led to further curtailment of freedom. Consider initiatives in recent years to require tenants in public housing to allow their apartments to be searched: First, police failed for decades, for justifiable but also far too frequently unjustifiable reasons, to protect citizens in many of our most dangerous public housing projects. Next, as the situation became sufficiently desperate, tenants were prohibited from owning firearms for their own defense. Finally the demand came, "Surrender your right to privacy in your home." The message could not be clearer: A people incapable of protecting themselves will lose their rights as a free people, becoming either servile dependents of the state or of the criminal predators who are their de facto masters. All of this should force us to reconsider our debate over arms and rights. For too long, it has been framed as a question of the rights of sportsmen. It is far more serious: The Second Amendment has something critical to say about the relationship between the citizen and the state. For most of human history, in most of the nations in the world, the individual has all too often been a helpless dependent of the state, beholden to the state's benevolence and indeed competence for his physical survival. The notion of a right to arms bespeaks a very different relationship. It says the individual is not simply a helpless bystander in the difficult and dangerous task of ensuring his or her safety. Instead, the citizen is an active participant, an equal partner with the state in ensuring not only his own safety but that of his community. This is a serious right for serious people. It takes the individual from servile dependency on the state to the status of participating citizen, capable of making intelligent choices in defense of one's life and ultimately one's freedom. This conception of citizenship recognizes that the ultimate civil right is the right to defend one's own life, that without that right all other rights are meaningless, and that without the means of self-defense the right to self-defense is but an empty promise. Our serious thinkers have been absent from this debate for too long. The Second Amendment is simply too important to leave to the gun nuts. Robert J. Cottrol is professor of law and history and the Harold Paul Green Research Professor at the George Washington University. His most recent book is From African to Yankee: Narratives of Slavery and Freedom in Antebellum New England. ========================================================== Mary Lou Seymour Liberty Activists http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1797 Gulchers guide http://www.angelfire.com/biz/gulchers The Bill of rights For President Support L.Neil Smith http://www.lns2000.org [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #154 (1/2) (fwd) Date: 03 Oct 1999 08:44:00 PST On Oct 02, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia October 3, 1999 #154 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm ANOTHER GOOD SCANDAL BREWING The liberal Washington press corps doesn't seem to want to give us much background on the political players in the current presidential campaigns, so this publication will have to identify those with the most interesting histories. The first is a man who raised many millions of dollars in "soft money" for the House Democratic Congressional Committee. This was soft money that would be illegal to donate directly to a Congressional campaign, so this guy used a trick in the campaign finance laws to set himself up as both the receiver of the soft money and the donator to specific Democratic Congressional campaigns. He skirted the law in other words. Most interesting was how he distributed the money. He actually carried around envelopes with one or two thousand dollars cash in each. If a Representative needed a little "incentive" to vote correctly on a bill before the House, he would pass them an envelope containing one or two thousand dollars. Or, if he wasn't sure exactly how the Representative would vote, he would wait until after the vote and then reward the Representative with an envelope for voting correctly. Remember now, this was cash money. It was intended, so they say with a wink and a nod, to be used as campaign funds. But, you know. . . . . This went on for years in the Democratic controlled House. It was the way things were done there. That is, until our friend got a little greedy and wanted some "personal" cash that he could take home. Then, he sort of got caught. As the story goes, he made a little sweetheart loan deal with an S&L executive to buy junk bonds from Drexel Burnham Lambert. Actually, it was a $100,000 loan deal that allowed him to purchase junk bonds from a friendly but going broke savings and loan, and he failed to include that little loan in his financial disclosure. Nor did he include the minor fact that he used insider information for the purchase or that he was using his position in Congress to benefit that trade. Furthermore, when the House Bank check kiting scandal broke, he was listed as one of the top check- bouncers with more than $300,000 in bad checks (interest free loans that never seemed to get paid back) outstanding. Then there was the matter of defending John Mack after it was revealed that Mack brutally assaulted and almost killed a woman. Mack was an aide to Democratic Majority Leader Jim Wright. Well, things finally caught up with this guy and he abruptly resigned his seat in the House -- just before the Ethics Committee sanctioned him and the FBI arrested him. Being a loyal Democrat helps, though, because the Clinton Justice Department finally dropped all charges. And, incidentally, Clinton used him to help raise money for the last presidential campaign. Influence peddling again. This guy crafted shake-downs, influence peddling and buying votes into an art form. Or, as Leonard Larsen wrote back in 1994 in a Scripps Howard News Service commentary, he is a "high profile reminder of what's wrong with the Democratic Party." But that was his game as Democratic Whip of the House. His name is Tony Coelho, and he is presently campaign chairman for Al Gore. Those old names from the Democratic controlled House of Representatives -- O'Neill, Minish, Wright, Coelho, Rostenkowski, St Germain, et al -- ran a legal version of the old protection racket in which they would trade billions of dollars in favors for millions of dollars in campaign funds. Of course, the Clinton & Gore campaign learned a few of those tricks, too. Their problem was that they also took millions from the communist Chinese in return for favors. Consequently, no one even looked at all of the other dirty money the Clinton campaign received. But, because people were starting to smell a rat in those campaign finance deals, Clinton called Tony Coelho there to advise him. It's no real surprise that Al Gore picked Tony Coelho to honcho his presidential campaign. In the campaign finance arena, Gore is just as dirty as Clinton, so there's a good fit there. All this tells us is that there will be plenty of interesting funny business to watch shortly. Because, Gore is losing and will need big cash really soon. [Note: Some of the above information, and a great deal more, can be found in a 1988 book about Tony Coelho by Brooks Jackson titled "Honest Graft."] WASHINGTON BUSINESS AS USUAL It seems to be business as usual in Washington. So much so, in fact, that there is much too much to report. For instance, the Lords and Ladies of Capitol Hill wanted to divvy up that supposed budget surplus, so they gave everyone in government a pay raise. The pay increase would amount to $2,856 for the typical white- collar government bureaucrat in Washington, which brings the annual average bureaucrat's salary up to $62,365. Of course, they also gave themselves a $4,600 annual cost of living increase -- which means that all judges and department heads get the same amount. The president however, gets a whopping $200,000 a year raise -- free travel, free room and board and $400,000 to spend on incidentals annually. Someone let Al Gore speak on CNN's "Larry King Live." Al stuck his foot in his mouth again, calling for a total ban on handguns. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde is not too far behind Gore. Hyde said that they were close to an agreement on yet more legislation to tighten gun control and safety laws. This time they want to bar minors from possessing "assault weapons," ban large scale ammunition clips and require background checks for gun show purchases -- all of which is unconstitutional. Bill Clinton requested a billion bucks to acquire more than 100 new parks in 40 states and territories. No matter about that little Constitutional provision requiring all federal land to be used for mundane things like office buildings and military bases, the federal government wants to gobble up as much land as possible and let it just sit there. Al Gore, with a devious assist by the Justice Department, called "Cyberstalking" the new challenge for law enforcement. It seems that the FBI is itching for an excuse to monitor our communications on the Internet, so they came up with a new supposed crime that would let them get their foot in the door. Then they pushed forward Al and had him say: "Cyberstalking is a very serious new problem confronting us in the information age. This [FBI] report demonstrates the need for stronger federal and state laws to combat the problem." Sure. Like kids belong on the Internet unsupervised. Uh huh. "As more and more Americans are going on- line -- particularly our children -- it is critical that they are protected from online stalking. Cybperspace should be a place for learning and exploration not a place for fear," babbled Gore the bore. And in another matter: Sixty-nine percent of the people of the District of Columbia voted in favor of medicinal marijuana. But, some on Capitol hill, lead in part by Rep. Bob Barr (R-GA), attacked the voter initiative, even though it would require a physician to authorize the use of marijuana -- and then mostly just for the relief of major symptoms in patients. Any kid can buy pot just about anywhere in the country, but those who are sick can not benefit by a prescription for marijuana of known quality. That's how idiotic the federal government has become. At one time it was thought that Sen. Fred Thompson would run for president. Word on the street now is that he's fed up with the idiocy in Washington and may not even run for the Senate again. Instead, he is expected to stay home and run for governor -- a job which would probably be his for the asking. All we can say about that is please do not let Al Gore run for that Senate seat again. Sen. John McCain tossed his hat into the presidential fracas, running as a Republican. Unfortunately, anyone can say they are a Republican nowadays. However, any real Republicans examining McCain's legislative record can be expected to reject him quickly. Not only is he all over the political spectrum, some of the bills he wanted to pass were positively obnoxious to our Constitutional form of government as well as to freedom. On the other hand, Clinton and Gore got elected. The liberal media elected Clinton and they are talking like they will start supporting McCain very soon. Washington politicians like reporters to behave and "repeat" rather than report. Reporters can go after Republicans all they wish, but most of them have learned to toe the party line with Democrats. So, when Paul Sperry, the Washington bureau chief of Investor's Business Daily, mentioned the lack of press conferences to Clinton at a function, Clinton asked "why." Sperry told him simply: "The American people have a lot of questions about illegal money from China and the campaign-finance scandal." Wrong answer. Clinton threw a ten minute temper tantrum and Sperry is now persona non grata at the White House. So much for the people's need to know. It's Washington as usual. A RACE TO CLAIM KNOWLEDGE The socialists at the United Nations are still planning to tax us. First they wanted a tax on international money exchanges and telephone calls. They quickly got a few complaints. So, now they're going after the Internet. First, they said that "the Internet is an easy vehicle for trafficking in drugs, arms and women through nearly untraceable networks." Obviously, they do not have the slightest idea what they are talking about. That is, [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 44 (2/2) (fwd) Date: 03 Oct 1999 08:47:10 PST On Oct 3, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] property by 1. the poor who are pushed into government-owned housing, 2. the rich who are granted mining, grazing, timbering, or other rights on government property, and 3. every one from legitimate park-users to trespassers on government land who have no vested interest in cleaning up after themselves, the legits because at the fees they are now charged, they could have hired a valet so WHY NOT expect the rangers to pick up the trash, and the trespassers who are often the poor in No. 1 above who prefer to live more freely and safely than they could do in the projects. Pray for America! Reply to: fishrap@netdex.com CALIFORNIA California only BEST OF SLICK-D COLUMBUS, Ohio (October 1, 1999 1:50 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) When police officer Bernard Anderson saw a red dot appear on his chest as he worked special duty outside a nightclub, he panicked, thinking it was from a gun's laser targeting sight. He took cover and called for help. A police helicopter and patrol cars were dispatched, and soon the culprit was found: a man with a laser pointer. Patrick O'Connor, 42, of London, Ohio, was charged with inducing panic and aggravated menacing for the incident in July. Can you imagine this scenario if someone pointed a laser at a private citizen? Cops are special people needing special protection not afforded to commoners who pay their salaries. REMEMBER THE GOOD OLE DAYS... when coffee cost a dime. when ice cream came in 4 flavors only, vanilla, chocolate, strawberry and neopolitan? (For midwesterners only.) when govt honored the limits set upon them by the Constitution. BEST MAYOR OF THE 20th CENTURY My vote goes for NYC Mayor Rudy Guliani, who didn't try to cover up police misdeeds. When his officers were accused of sodomizing a prisoner with a baseball bat, he demanded honest answers from those cops present in no uncertain terms, it was their duty to step forward. He didn't worry about the city being sued, a police scandal or being re-elected, he simply seeked the red-white-and-blue truth. And as obvious as that may seem, I don't recall any other mayor having done that---ever. Any other mayor, in any city, at any time, would have forsaken the courage of their convictions and directed a cover-up by commission, or omission. And the worst part of it is: we all know it. NASA NASA is reporting that our Mars ($125 mil) orbiter crashed because our crackerjack rocket scientists failed to convert meters to yards, or or visa versa. If I ever smelled a rat in the wood pile, this has got to be it. KOSOVO A US paratrooper gave his life for NWO's newly formed country when his parachute failed to open last week. Wonder what the real casualties are. In Desert Shield/Storm the media was broadcasting every suicide, heart attack and auto accident. To hear them tell it now, you can count the casualties on one hand, and the plane losses on a finger. Wonder if the parachutist was at Waco. WAR News is, jobs of 1,900 workers at Ft Worth Lockheed are safe for another year, building 6 fuselages for the F-22 in the fiscal 2000 with a budget of $2.5 bil. Even more workers will be working on other parts of the planes in Marietta, GA. What's wrong with this picture? How many cooks does it take to make a stealthy craft, or is that a crafty stealth? JUSTICE TEXAS STYLE Dallas Police Executive Chief Asst Rollins served his 2-wks of purgatory as night jail supervisor, and has been re-instated to his position as 3rd in line---with backpay--- by the decree of a fedl judge. One more example of how the laws don't apply to those who write and enforce them. THIS SPACE FOR RENT Reliable Internet Access for only $14.95 a month. Over 550 access numbers in 26 States and growing. Cyber77-ISP, web hosts, unlimited access, high-speed servers If you have your own web site, you know it's not enough to be on the internet with 30,000,000 geeks. Oh, search engines are great---for the other guy, but wouldn't you prefer to be a little more direct? Instead of trying to reach millions of people who can't spell your name, here's your chance to target thousands of politically active people like yourself. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #154 (2/2) (fwd) Date: 03 Oct 1999 08:44:58 PST On Oct 02, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] unless someone developed a new style modem that allows the quick transfer of matter through wires. But that's not the only silliness in the 1999 "Human Development Report," http://www.undp.org/hdro/99.htm commissioned by the United Nations Development Program. According to the report, we are to participate in "a race to lay claim to knowledge." But others in the world are having a problem keeping up with some of us. So, in order to close "the global gap between haves and have-nots, between knows and know-nots," we are to hold back a little and give the "know-nots" the money to equip themselves with good computers so they can catch up to us. "Globalization has swung open the door to opportunities," the report states. It claims that the world is now made up of "shrinking space, shrinking time and disappearing borders," so we must all share in the wealth -- or something like that. The Report calls for an agenda to reform global governance so as to ensure greater equity, new regional approaches to "collective action" and national policies to capture opportunities in the global marketplace and translate them more equitably into human advance. Whatever that silly babble means. The bottom line is, they want governments to tax the Internet to help underdeveloped countries get access to the network. According to this proposal, the Internet is "the fastest-growing tool of communication ever," with the number of users expected to grow from 150 million today to more than 700 million in 2001. But, they whine, many of those who most need access cannot obtain it. An invisible barrier has emerged that, "true to its name, is like a world wide web, embracing the connected and silently, almost imperceptibly, excluding the rest." They also complain that English is used in almost 80 per cent of web sites but fewer than one in ten people worldwide speaks the language. Then they really show their ignorance of the Internet by proposing a system of Internet governance -- financed by the tax, of course. "Governance of the Internet should be widened to bring in the needs and concerns of developing countries. [And] To ensure that the global communications revolution is truly global, funding is required." We are the funding. "Global inequalities in income and living standards have reached grotesque proportions." Therefore, the Report suggests a "bit tax" on data sent through the Internet. A tax of one US cent on every 100 lengthy e-mails would generate well over $70 billion a year, they say. "Reinventing global governance is not an option -- it is an imperative for the 21st century," the UN report demands. And we in the United States are the ones they see as best able to pay. "The Internet has the potential to offset inequalities in the global community, but if we don't take action it will only reinforce them," said Kate Raworth, one of the report's co-authors. Socialism personified, in other words. They want to redistribute the wealth, starting with our wealth. But, we are happy to report, at least one important leader in Congress has a correct opinion on that report. House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) states unequivocally: "Rich countries have more access to the Internet than poor countries? Of course! But just 10 years ago, even the richest countries had little Internet access. The Internet has reached more people faster than any other technological advance -- telephones, automobiles, televisions. Taxing the Internet is not the way to expand its global reach. "When we announced our e-Contract with High Tech America, we said that we would continue to fight against unnecessary and burdensome taxes on the Internet. U.S taxpayer dollars should not be used to support UN reports pushing this kind of redistribution policy. I urge the Administration to reject this report and the policy suggestions it makes." So do a few million American citizens, Mr. Armey. So do a few million American citizens. Anyway, if there is to be a "race to lay claim to knowledge," there will, by definition of the word "race," be some winners and some losers. For the moment, Americans are the winners, and we plan to keep that position. We do the work, we reap the benefits. That's the way things work. QUESTIONS FOR CANDIDATES Now that the primary campaign season is about to ramp up and many of us will have an opportunity to actually speak with presidential and Congressional candidates, perhaps some "gotcha" type questions are appropriate. In fact, we would suggest that written replies are also requested. Below are 10 suggestions for questions. 1. We are tired of politicians and bureaucrats continually "spinning" everything told the people because we equate "spin" with lie. What will you do to force politicians and government employees to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but to truth to the American people? 2. Many departments and agencies of the federal government are performing functions not authorized to the federal government by the Constitution. What can we depend on you to do to insure the federal government properly performs those duties tasked to it by the Constitution and stops interfering in those areas in which the Constitution gives the federal government no authority? 3. Our Constitution instructs that gold and silver coin, or at least money backed by gold and silver reserves, be used as currency in all States. Yet, we have fiat script instead. Whatever happened to the currency the Constitution instructs be available to the people and what do you plan to do to make this type of money available to the American people again? 4. Our borders are not properly protected. Consequently, many thousands of illegal aliens sneak into our country daily. This is causing serious problems in many States, yet little or nothing is done. What will you do to rid our country of the millions of illegal aliens currently squatting here and to protect our borders in the future? 5. The personal Liberty and privacy of American citizens is under constant jeopardy. Americans are searched at airports and federal buildings. Personal data is collected by many federal agencies. Acting as though they are operating under an unconstitutional general search warrant, bureaucrats freely enter and search private property and act as though they have a right to riffle through our personal and business papers and demand other personal information. What will you do to protect our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights to privacy and to move about and function in society as we please without having our actions impeded or questioned by bureaucrats? 6. The unconstitutional actions and obnoxious attitude of the Internal Revenue Service have been documented and published for many years; yet nothing is done. Do you believe that some federal bureaucrats should be able to violate a citizen's Constitutional rights with impunity, or will you set strong penalties for those who would violate our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights under the guise of bureaucratic expediency? 7. Russia, China and North Korea all have nuclear weapons pointed at us and either have or are working on delivery systems that can send many such weapons to any American city. Our national security is, therefore, in jeopardy. What, exactly, will you demand be done to protect our country against this type of attack from a foreign governments? 8. Justice in this country is unequal. Those in government, and their friends, launder funds with impunity -- for political campaigns or other reasons -- and regularly violate many federal laws. Multinational industries do the same. Yet, they are never imprisoned. Even when CIA contract workers imported tons of cocaine into the United States with the protection of the Justice Department, no one was arrested. What will you do to insure that all laws apply to all people in the country equally? 9. Forfeiture -- one of the primary reasons the American people originally went to war with England -- has again become popular with unscrupulous officials. Yet, forfeiture is never applied to government officials who violate the law, the rich who violate the law or to multinational businesses that violate the law. The practice of forfeiture is usually only used on those most unable to afford the court action necessary to get their property back. It is, therefore, little more than thievery by badge. What will you do to forevermore ban this atrocious practice in the United States? 10. Federal officials tell the American people that there is a budget surplus. Yet, the Social Security fund is empty because the money was pilfered by Congress over the years. Many federal agencies have debt levels not reported in the budget. And the national debt level is still increasing. We see, therefore, that the identified budget surplus seems to be as phony as the fiat money held out to the American people as Constitutional currency. What, exactly, will you do to trim back the federal government, conserve on taxpayer's funds, pay off the national debt and put us on a stable monetary system? ~ End ~ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 44 (1/2) (fwd) Date: 03 Oct 1999 08:46:13 PST On Oct 3, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] 1999 Rich Martin Permission to repost in full, or in part, is granted. You are encouraged to pass this message on to anyone who might be interested in its contents. Better yet, print a copy for a friend who is not on-line. Any and all comments on the subject matter are always welcome. Do NOT use your reply button. Send them to: Slick-D@egroups.com From the Desk of Rich Martin P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com "The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -- Thomas Jefferson _______________________________________________ Happy 25th Ricky, 1999 I am tired of Republican pundits telling US that we'll effectively elect Algore if we "waste" our vote on a 3rd party, aren't you? They say a 3rd party candidate can't win, and will only drain votes from the GOP candidate. Hey, we aren't stupid. We know that; and they know it. So, now that they've admitted the GOP can't defeat Algore alone, maybe they should consider joining a 3rd party too because the Republican Party has not been able to halt the growth of the central govt despite having a majority in both houses. (Note: they blamed 40 yrs of liberalism on a Dem Congress, but won't admit to 6 yrs of failure for following the same path.) Their claim to fame is: at least they slowed the liberals up. Give us the presidency too, and then... Well I say, that isn't good enough. Given the choice between a slow death and a quick one, I'll take the latter, thank you. The GOP forsook their promises of term limits and devolution. Taxes are going up and abortion isn't going down. They're afraid to confront the immoral prez who's not worth spit, or too inept to do so effectively. Either way, collectively, the Republicans are losers. They ate their own, starting with the man that brought them there. I don't mean to sound overly dramatic, but I think the liklihood is, our nation is already lost. For example, the World Court ordered the state of Hawaii to hold a referendum to decide if they wanted to secede. Yes, I know the mass media didn't report it, accept in Hawaii, but had the vote turned out for Hawaiian independence.... If we succumb to international powers to hold such a vote, how can we think we are the Grandest Tiger in the Jungle? We haven't got any more soveriegnty than the once proud state of Massachusetts, where they NOW beg the feds to govern them AND US. If we are to save this nation, people of goodwill are going to have to bury the hatchets and unite in a Last Stand in defense of our oft-maligned Constitution. 3rd party leaders are going to have to explore common ground, forget their egos and put some of their unrealistic goals (such as drug legalization and outlawing abortion) on the back burner long enough to save the nation. To be successful, honest men in the major parties will have to join the 3rd party movement in droves. (I never said it would be easy.) But you've got to know, the alternative, submit to the central govt, is only a temporary solution, which can only lead US to another bloody revolution. My fear is the latter is inevitable. To this end, we now see the Dems & GOP joining in lock step to smear the perceived next standard bearers of the Reform Party, just as they convinced a lot of their audience that their last candidate, a well respected patriot and self made billionaire, was a flake. It's not Pat, Jesse or Ross they're afraid of, the Republicrats fear losing their monopoly. Jesse is now being portrayed as wrestler turned anti-Christian. Perot was eaten alive by the professional pols who's stock-and-trade their entire adult lives has been debating politics. Albeit it thru the tube, I think I know Pat Buchanan's views better than I know the motives of his critics. To infer he is pro-Hitler, is an obvious Clinton- size lie. (Clinton forces used this same tactic to remove Christine Jeffrey as the House Historian, remember?) The danger Pat poses is, unlike his predecessors, he's an accomplished debater. And debating PJB is what they fear--- because if he won the debate, it could be the catalyst that makes a third party movement competitive. To my Republican friends, wake up and smell the coffee. Re-visit the Contract for America. Devolve education while you still can. Eliminate the Marriage Penalty Tax. Real campaign reform now. Fix or replace the IRS. Shrink govt and thus taxes. And do it before you ask US to vote for you again, or pay the consequences. We don't want an election issue; we demand results. Whiteman fool Indian first time, shame on whiteman. Whiteman fool Indian second time, shame on US. Suggested reading: the U.S. Constitution. How 'bout them Rangers. They won #95 and will face the Yankees for the 3rd time in 4 years on Tues at Yankee Stadium. Meanwhile, Arlington's Finest are refusing to perform security duty at the play-offs because they "don't get no respect." They are, tired of being treated like 2nd class citizens and believe they are a crucial part of the event. ($25/hr and free admission, what more could they want?) Where is Andy Frain when you need him? How Slick is Slick? In his Sat radio address to the nation, the prez assured US that his programs would prevent insurers from making patients change doctors during pregnancy or cancer treatment. He didn't say anything about Most Favored Nation status for China, the country we've been running monthly multi-billion dollar deficits with, giving them enough USD to control both ends of the Panama Canal. CLINTON LEGACY Last week's veto of the tax cut went virtually unmentioned in the press. We know there have been 38 scandals involving his administration, but no one seems to be keeping track of how many vetoes he cast. In contrast, when Bush vetoed the Family Leave Act, they harped on his 34th veto until the votes were counted. The Nando Times WACO He didn't say anything about the Waco investigations either. For that I suggest you check the waco-group archives NATIONAL HEALTHCARE Here we go again, Natl Health Care Part II, this time brought to US by Bill Bradley. Bradley's version sounds like a scaled down version of the First Lady's plan to cover 37,000,000 "poor" people. Bradley's incremental plan would cover 11 million of their children, but it contains the same fatal flaw as its predecessor. Where does he propose to come up with the physicians to render this quality healthcare? Until this problem is solved, adding 11 million subscribers to the same top flight insurance policies we favor our political servants with, will be offset by eliminating 11 mil others of US from the health care roles. A better solution would be to remove the fedl cap on the number of free citizens allowed to become docs each year, and it wouldn't cost the tax payers a penny. NATL WELFARE When the GOP Congress passed the 1996 Welfare Reform bill, they stated fedl law would supersede states' laws in the year 2002. Where did they get the authority to boss around the states as inferiors? Certainly not from the Constitution, from which they derive their authority. MICHIGAN WELFARE The state of Mich has become the first state to require drug tests to qualify for Welfare. They say they won't report the results to police (because it would violate their privacy rights), but what about their children. Is the state going to allow them to keep their children if they refuse treatment and their checks cut off? With no money, no police intervention, and assumed to be needing money to support their habit, isn't the next logical step to round up the children from the assumed drug users? Blue-eyed blondes go to the head of the list. NYC WELFARE Privacy Concerns Electronic Newsletter The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) - City officials plan to start searching welfare recipients' medical records for evidence of drug use in an effort to funnel abusers into treatment programs, The New York Times reported today. For such abusers, the treatment program would be a mandatory condition for receiving public assistance. KATHIE'S KORNER I fear the population control fever that's sweeping the country. Space for living and growing our food would not be a problem were there not a move afoot to deprive us of the benefits of civilization. Look how fast the government has bought up "developable" land to "protect" it. For what? No one in their right mind destroys their own property, although examples are rife of destruction of government [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] Constitutional rights are a joke to Congressman (fwd) Date: 03 Oct 1999 20:31:41 PST On Oct 3, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Re: congressman laughs at constitutional rights - believes all "dangerous" people have no rights to children or guns Is anybody surprised? I've been harping on the "subjective laws" theme where they make "slippery, rubber laws" that are subject to "interpretation" for a long time. Making laws that allow the enforcer (or anybody else) to "define" to whom it applies or HOW it applies is asking for tyranny. Child abuse laws are such laws, which is why the "child protectors" get away with so much. Every law under which they operate is subjective. The fact that they are starting to use the child protector methods in other areas shows that the child protection racket is just a "trial run" for further tyranny. This post says that it is not about guns, and that is right. To which I add: it's not about child abuse or even child abuse by the "child protectors." It is about taking control of our children so parents cannot object to the schools teaching their children that collectivism is the way to go. It is about the power seekers creating "brown-shirts" in our schools. Kids who hate their parents and turn them in so they will go to jail. Stalin and Hitler encouraged children to "turn their parents in," too. Politicians and bureaucrats have been ignoring or distorting the Constitution since "day one" when they made their own Admiralty Laws to allow our own government to steal from our shipping instead of the British doing it. The RICO Laws, allowing similar "confiscations" on land, are just an extention of that. If anybody thinks we still have a constitutional republic should think again. You'll change your mind the first time they stop you on the street, take your money, and let you go without ever filing any charges. Or worse yet, use one of their "rubber laws" to put you away just so they can take some of your property and use it for their own purposes. Or kill you in the process of raiding your home in the "wee hours" on the basis of the word of a "snitch." In Denver last week, they did just that. Broke into a home, shot and killed the owner when he tried to defend his home, and searched for the entire day hoping to find drugs to back up their murder. They did not find any. I'm surprised. In such cases, they usually plant some. RAY THOMA$ P. O. Box 16247, Denver, CO 80216-0247 To visit any of my web sites or subscribe to any of my newsletters or discussion lists, go to my personal web site at: http://www.angelfire.com/co2/RayThomas and click on the appropriate link. Lots of new articles in "Information Central." They are: The "Forced Altruism Scam" web site The "Forced Altruism" List The "Child Protector Watch" site or newsletter The "Stay Alive Longer" web site The "Beyond Common Sense" online newsletter The "Simple Web Sites" Design site. "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?" 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] CLINTON educational president: Rant (fwd) Date: 03 Oct 1999 20:32:40 PST On Oct 3, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Jewish World Review Sept. 7, 1999 /29 Elul, 5759=20 http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- THE OTHER DAY, I saw a wire-service photo of a group of public-school teachers demonstrating, a thing they do far better=20 than educating. One held a self-pitying sign that read, "I'm a=20 teacher, not a political target."=20 In the eyes of an overpaid, underperforming profession, any move toward accountability is an attack on teachers.=20 What will educrats say about Martin Gross' new book,=20 "The Conspiracy of Ignorance: The Failure of American Public Schools"? Gross had best invest in asbestos=20 underwear.=20 After writing exposes of our tax system and culture,=20 Gross' penchant for skewering sacred cows has led him to pen a critique of the nation's most appalling scandal.=20 The author notes that a few years ago U.S. 8th graders=20 competed with students from five other countries in math.=20 As a group, the American kids ranked highest in=20 self-esteem (measured by their answer to the question=20 "I am good at math") and lowest in actual scores.=20 Conversely, students from South Korea were low on=20 self-esteem but scored highest on the test.=20 That, says Gross, is a perfect analogy for America's educational=20 establishment that's "self-confident, even arrogant, about their=20 modern theories and methods of teaching" which have failed by=20 every conceivable measure.=20 Other evidence cited by the author: In the Third International=20 Mathematics and Science Study, American 12th graders scored 19th among students from 21 countries, outperforming=20 only those from Cyprus and South Africa.=20 In another survey, two out of three 17-year-olds didn't know the=20 meaning of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Even fewer=20 could correctly identify the War of 1812, Marshall Plan and Great Society.=20 Gross the elite that selects and trains teachers and shapes curricula.=20 They have watered down instruction to the point where a diploma is a=20 certification of absolutely nothing. They have given us a teaching cadre=20 recruited from the lowest third of college graduates.=20 They have inflated costs while producing the most undereducated=20 students in the industrialized world. They have substituted psycho-babble=20 and ideological cant for learning.=20 Gross notes that in the past 20 years, education expenditures have increased twice as fast as the cost of living. In New York and New Jersey, teacher salaries average over $50,000 annually for 180 days of work.=20 We've shoveled out funds for language labs, personal computers and=20 Internet connections. We've experimented with new math, open=20 classrooms and merit pay. We've set up magnet schools and charter=20 schools. We've designated star teachers and master teachers.=20 The result? Our public schools do so abysmally at teaching math and science that 45 percent of the 13,000 Ph.D.'s awarded by U.S. colleges and universities in the hard sciences each year go to foreign students. Those wh= o stay here keep our high-tech economy afloat.=20 The worst students go into teaching --Gross cites the April 1998 Massachuset= ts licensing exam for prospective teachers, where 59 percent flunked. (Answers included such spelling atrocities as "horibal," "universel" and "compermise.") Not only that, but the training education students receive ensures that they will be well-qualified to run the nation's ignorance=20 factories. In place of knowledge in classroom subjects, ed schools concentrate on pedagogic techniques -- increasingly, psychoanalytical skills. Graduates, wh= o can't teach, serve as unlicensed social workers and psychologists "Dr. Sigmu= nd Freud has invaded the schoolhouse," Gross writes. "Not knowledge, but superior human relations, a sense of self-confidence ... and a stronger, warmer rapport among teacher, parent and child have become the new criteria.= "=20 The result is students who need a calculator to do simple addition but feel=20 really good about themselves.=20 Gross has a series of sound recommendations, including stiffer licensing exams, a complete overhaul of the school curriculum (replacing whole-language reading instruction with phonics) and vouchers.=20 The most creative proposal: closing and padlocking schools of education.=20 Gross would substitute one year of postgraduate training, open to those with a four-year degree and a minimum 3.0 grade-point average.=20 "The Conspiracy of Ignorance" is required back-to-school reading. If it's read widely enough, someday, we may just elect an education president who understands that the house is on fire and the blaze won't be extinguished wi= th more federal expenditures. =20 JWR contributing columnist Don Feder can be reached by clicking here.=20 Don Feder Archives=20 =A91999, Creators Syndicate * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * =20 =20 To join the Waco discussion group,=20 Click here ----> waco-group-subscribe@egroup= s.co m To join the Slick discussion group,=20 Click here ----> slick-d-subscribe@egroups.co= m and read what others are saying about these issues. FREE To join the SlickPlus internet group,=20 Click here ----> SlickPlus-Subscribe@egroups.com and receive free e-mails from others about the same topics. FREE=20 To sign off, send e-mail to SlickPlus-unsubscribe@egroups.com what could be easier? * * * * *=20 To subscribe to the Slick e-zine, send e-mail to RichSlick@aol.com for deta= ils. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Yes, guns do belong in schools. (fwd) Date: 03 Oct 1999 21:31:54 PST On Oct 3, McGeheeZone.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 10:08 PM Yes, guns do belong in schools. By Joe Nava Let me tell you why. There have been guns in schools as long as there have been schools. There are good people and there are bad people, but there are no good guns or bad guns. Guns are tools, which can be used for good or bad purposes by people. Guns have been used for good purposes in schools for a very long time, and they should still be. Let me make my case. Guns are used in the Olympic Games, just as the javelin, the discus, and the basketball are. Not counting the Biathlon in the Winter Olympics, there are 15 shooting events in the Summer Olympics. Some events are for women only and some are for men only. These events use rifles, pistols, shotguns, and airguns. Both women and men use semi-automatic handguns in the Olympics. Where do these Olympic Shooters come from? Most come from College shooting programs which train them. In the United States there are Colleges that give 4 year scholarships for shooting, the same way they do for basketball and football, etc. Top athletes compete for NCAA Rifle Championship distinction or NRA Pistol Championship distinction or NCUI Shotgun Championship distinction. Where do these College shooters come from? Here in the United States we have High School shooting programs. Many schools have ROTC Programs, which train shooters and prepare youngsters for a possible stint in the military. Shooting is a Varsity Sport in some schools. And, it should be for many reasons. Most Olympic shooters get started in a 4-H or Boy Scout or NRA junior shooting program and then get on a High School or Junior High School Shooting Team. If they are good enough, they get a scholarship to a college with a shooting program (like the University of Alaska Fairbanks). After College, the best of the shooters may go on to a National Training Center to prepare for Olympic or other International Shooting competition. Why is this good for the schools? Shooting is the least violent of all the school sports. Shooters don t grab, tackle or check the opponent. They don t even bump into the opponent. Also, shooting, as a sport, has an unequaled safety record. There are more injuries in Table Tennis than there are in shooting competitions. The greatest benefit of guns in schools, for the youngsters, is the self-discipline the gun teaches. Shooting takes much self-control. Any high school or college shooter learns this. It takes mental self-control to ignore all else around you and concentrate on the goal at hand. This mental self-discipline learned through shooting, carries over into school work and life. Shooting Teams in schools are always at the head of their class in academics. Shooting teaches the discipline it takes to excel in school. The experience at UAF (University of Alaska) is no different than it is in any college. The Shooting Team will always have the highest average GPA of any sporting team. It is partially a product of the skills learned in shooting. I have never heard of a case, anywhere in the United States, of a School Shooting Team Member being involved in the criminal use of a gun. Never has any gun used for a school shooting program been used illegally. This doesn t happen. Guns are not bad in schools. They are good. The result of a supervised athletic shooting program is positive, and there is no risk to it. Another good reason why guns belong in school is for teaching gun safety. I have done this in Fairbanks for many years. I can take my guns into a school classroom, with the schools permission, and teach a class in gun safety. This will prevent accidents and save lives. Gun safety should be taught in schools. If you want fewer gun accidents, the solution is more gun safety education. Hunter Education can also be taught in the schools for those who want to continue the Hunting Lifestyle that we prize so highly here in Alaska. The Alaska Dept. of Fish & Game has gladly arranged this for any school that wants it. They can do it for your school too. Education decreases gun accidents. Legislation doesn t. Let us teach gun safety in the schools to those students whose parents want them to be safer around guns. I can guarantee this will decrease the possibility of any child having, or being the victim of, a firearms accident at any time in the future. Where is the risk in that? There is none. It is a win-win situation where the children are safer when they encounter guns later in life, and they will, someday. Even the school is safer because more students understand more about gun safety, and they are more self-disciplined. So, admire those students who have the will and the dedication to achieve that degree of mental self-discipline to win a place on a school shooting team. Give them the chance to achieve in an Olympic Sport. One example I can give you is April Blajeski who honed her shooting skills as a High School Athlete in Delta and then got a Shooting scholarship to UAF and achieved NRA All-American Honors for her ability. Another example I can give you is myself. I discovered shooting in College at UAF. I learned the importance of self-discipline in shooting and in life. That helped me to achieve All-American Honors and to continue my schoolwork and my life in what I hope has been an ethical and worthwhile manner. Punish the misuse of guns anywhere, including in schools. But, leave guns in the schools for good purposes. The benefits are great for the youngster and for the community, and there is no risk. __________________________________________________________________________ Printed in the October 2nd, , 1999 issue of the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner Joe Nava, Volunteer Gun Safety Instructor, author. I have received permission of the author to forward this piece. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Proof of Press Bias (fwd) Date: 04 Oct 1999 20:31:17 PST On Oct 04, equaltime@freedom.usa.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hello, everyone. You may have already seen the reports. In case you haven't... A new poll from the Roper Center and the Freedom Forum has rocked the world of journalism. It proves that Washington-based reporters and editors are even more liberal than we thought. Just look at the numbers: 89% voted for Clinton in 1992 (as opposed to 43% of the public); only 7% voted for Bush; only 4% are registered Republicans, while 50% are Democrats; only 3% think the Contract with America was a serious proposal. And get this: only 2% call themselves conservative. What about religion? Surveys show the United States is one of the most religious countries in the world. Every year since 1952, Gallup polls have found that about 90% of Americans claim their faith is important. On the other hand, a U.S. News & World Report survey of Hollywood executives found that only 44% considered religion important. Another study revealed that 86% of journalists seldom or never attend church, and 50% don't even believe in God. Does the product from the news and entertainment media reflect society's views? Not only do both the news and entertainment media not care about religion, when they do touch on it, they regularly attack it. Phil Visit our site at: http://www.crosswinds.net/~equaltime/ Limited Government - Individual Liberty - Conservative Values [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Nice article (fwd) Date: 05 Oct 1999 10:20:45 PST On Oct 05, Don Loftus wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I read this on the WorldNet Daily web (http://www.WorldNetDaily.com/) site and thought ya'll would enjoy it. Go to the following address for the original posting: http://www.enterstageright.com/1099billrights.htm Don Loftus Gainesville, FL ----------------------- I watched the Bill of Rights dying last week By Vin Suprynowicz web posted October 4, 1999 One recent morning I watched the Bill of Rights dying. I don't know if anyone else noticed; it's been on its deathbed so long that most folks don't even go visit anymore. Following a speaking engagement in Marina del Rey the evening before, I found myself approaching the security checkpoint at Terminal 1 of LAX at 6:10 a.m. Sept. 21, preparing to catch the 7:56 to Vegas. Approaching the baggage X-ray machine, I noted the now-familiar sign listing the facility's international red circle-and-slash prohibitions, warning passengers they'll be jailed if found in possession of a firearm or even a can of pepper spray -- this now thoroughly routine rape of the Second Amendment drawing not a single glance from the customers standing in line for their morning McDonald's coffee, despite the fact it was occurring in their full view. In fact, after a successful evening selling and signing books, a combination of the absurd local firearms restriction of Los Angeles County and this anti-self-defense policy of the airlines and the FAA had left me wandering the streets of Los Angeles at midnight the night before, searching out an open Burger King, with $500 cash on my person. Had I been beaten and robbed of that sum, do you suppose the airline, or the FAA, or the County of Los Angeles would have made good my loss, since it was their unconstitutional conspiracy that deprived me of my right to safely and legally carry a firearm (or even a can of pepper-spray) for self-defense, as I otherwise would surely have done? I don't think so. Past the now-familiar notices of anti-gun tyranny, I pushed my carry-on bag through the X-ray machine, submitting to its scan of my personal effects despite the fact neither the airline nor the airport administration held any warrant to search them, nor even offered me any probable cause. But was that enough? Not that day. As my bag came down the belt, a tall, sleepy-eyed young man with a shaved head and an ill-fitting blue blazer, standing on the other side of the conveyer belt, asked "Sir, do you mind if I search your bag?" I replied: "Actually, I do mind. I do not consent to any search of my bag." The young man acted as though I had not heard his question. "Sir, do you mind if I search your bag?" "Yes, I do mind. I do not grant my consent for any search of my bag." "Sir," he repeated, "do you mind if I search your bag?" I still don't know how long this would have continued. Sensing that it was up to me to jog the needle on this trance-like broken record, I next asked, "Did you see something on the X-ray that looked like a weapon?" "No sir," he admitted. "It's a random search." "A random search?" "A random search." At this point, a bearded dwarf in a tweed jacket, looking for all the world like former Clinton cabinet secretary Robert Reich, appeared at my left shoulder, coming to the aid of my somnolent oppressor. "He can ask you to search the bag, and if you refuse, he doesn't have to let you continue," said this strange apparition, holding his own two suitcases and a plastic shopping bag. "How is this any concern of yours?" I asked the dwarf. "Do you work for the airline?" "No," he smiled proudly, like an enormously self-contented bridge-player laying down the last trump card. "I work for the FAA." "And you're on duty here?" "No, I'm not. But I know about this," he smiled even more broadly. "Then you must know the security directive says they should ask to see our photo ID, but it specifically goes on to say that if we refuse, they can not bar us from boarding" I said quite firmly, drawing the attention of the sleepy-eyed fellow's lady supervisor, who now waddled over to join us. "So I assume it's the same with these 'random bag checks.' That's why they ask for our permission, right? If they don't need our consent, why keep asking for it?" Astonishingly enough, at this point, the little dwarf's smile collapsed, and he turned and trundled away like a disturbed woodchuck. Given that he presumably took an oath before God to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution, which still contains the Bill of Rights, it's unlikely the leering little geek's immortal soul will escape as easily. Sir," asked the tall young man, clinging to the security of his minimal training, and apparently hoping to break the record set by Paul McCartney, who once managed to find more than a dozen different ways to sing the eight words "Why don't we do it in the road?" in the same recording ... "do you mind if I check your bag?" "Listen," I said, "I do not grant my consent, and I'm not going to grant my consent. If you believe you don't need my consent, then do what you have to do." At this point, with his supervisor looking on, the young man went through the motions of unzipping and re-zipping the two small side compartments on my bag, barely glancing at, in turn, a clean pair of white socks and a plastic bottle of Pepto-Bismol. He never undid the straps or unzipped the main body of the bag, at all. "Thank you," he said. "I'm not going to thank you," I replied, "because we still have a Fourth Amendment in this country, which protects us from warrantless searches. You do know that, right?" The bald young man looked right through me, focusing on the far wall, his heavy-lidded eyes blinking slowly. His companion, a grossly fat black woman in the ill-fitting rust-red jacket of a "supervisor," who had been puffing up to say something before the FAA troll butted in, looked disgusted but averted her eyes, refusing to meet my gaze. These are the faces of tyranny, bored and uncaring. When instructed to load us political nonconformists onto cattle cars bound for the internment camps, they will do so in unquestioning, shuffling boredom, eyeing the clock to make sure they don't work a minute into their next scheduled break. Thus are our precious constitutional rights daily rendered null and void by uncaring stooges, like dying rest-home patients clutching their bedframes in silent agony, writhing their death throes in their own excrement as the bored orderlies play cards in the break room down the hall, the sound turned up on the cheerful idiot morning TV calisthenics show, hoping their shifts will end before someone comes in and orders them to go change the sheets. Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $21.95 plus $3 shipping through Mountain Media, P.O. 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Report problems to owner-noban@mainstream.net [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Club For Growth Date: 05 Oct 1999 19:21:04 PST Steven Moore and Dusty Roads(sp?) are travelling the Country for, "The Club For Growth". Right up front, the entry fee is $100. For this you get a list of good Conservative types for voting, which frankly isn't a unique thing, but there are some differences. First off, these guys actually vet the Candidates/Incumbents, look at the record, and if they're a, "squishy", they see to it that they're challenged at the ballot by a real Conservative. Part of their mission is to Conservatize the Republican Party, but they're willing to work with viable 3P Candidates, too. They started in New York, but now they're going National, and the initial Target is the 2000 Election. Check out their web site at clubforgrowth.org, (not sure if there's a, "www", there or not, as I've got a newsfeed going right now, and getting this info off the Radio, so I can't check it yet myself. Their phone number is 1-202-955-5500. Dusty is the publisher of National Review. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FW: STAND UP TO RED CHINA !!! (fwd) Date: 06 Oct 1999 14:36:54 PST For those not in the know, Governor Gary "China Money" Locke is the Chinese American version of a Loony Left Liberal Clinton Clone, and desperately needs to have his ears filled on this kind of thing. On Oct 6, Graham, Brandi wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > Do you care that China condemns millions of women to receiving forced > abortions and sterilizations? Do you lament that millions of children and > prisoners are forced to slave away for the Red Chinese for little or no > pay, and at the same time take jobs away from Americans as cheap foreign > goods flood our market? Are you concerned about Communist China's > horrific > military build-up, much of which was based on the theft of top-secret > American military technology? And are you concerned that the next > offensive > use of nuclear weapons may be directed at your home town from Beijing? > > If you answered yes to any of these questions, you should be very upset to > learn that on Tuesday, October 5, 1999, Governor Gary Locke (D-Washington) > had the Red Chinese flag flown at the state capitol. Not only that, but > it > was positioned in the center pole, between the U.S. and Washington flags. > Anyone who has served in the U.S. military will attest to the fact that > the > American Flag, Old Glory, is always to fly either on the highest mast, or > in > the center. > > If you are as upset as any patriotic American ought to be, give the > governor > a call and ask him to apologize for placing Communist China ahead of the > United States -- and maybe ask why he thought they were worth honoring to > begin with. Call him at (360) 902-4111. > > AND PASS THIS E-MAIL ALONG TO EVERY PATRIOTIC AMERICAN YOU KNOW !!! > > P.S. Apparently, the flag of the "Butchers of Beijing" was flown to > "welcome" the Party Secretary of the Jiangsu province to Olympia for trade > talks. But just because we do business with the Chinese doesn't mean we > should lend any support or tolerance to their brutal, totalitarian regime. > > Don't forget: Governor Locke's office number is (360) 902-4111. CALL > TODAY > AND STAND UP FOR AMERICA!!! > > AND DON'T FORGET TO FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO YOUR FRIENDS!!! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: US Firearms deaths down again in '98 (fwd) Date: 06 Oct 1999 20:07:53 PST On Oct 6, Joel A. Butler, MD wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] 1997...........32,436 1998...........29,849 Homicides also down (includes legal intervention) 1997...........19,846 1998...........17,350 Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/whatsnew/whatsnew.htm Births and Deaths: Preliminary Data for 1998. Vol. 47, No. 25. 48. pp. = (PHS) 99-1120. (10/5/1999) PDF file. Also of interest are the charts to be found by linking through = "objective charts" on page = http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/about/otheract/hp2000/violence/violence.htm #######jab [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Good news (fwd) Date: 07 Oct 1999 11:00:40 PST On Oct 07, Don Loftus wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Perhaps there is hope after all? Don Loftus Gainesville, Florida ------------------ Cincinnati's suit against gun makers dismissed Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press CINCINNATI (October 7, 1999 11:14 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - A state judge on Thursday dismissed the city's lawsuit against gun manufacturers, a distributor and three trade associations on the grounds it was vague and unsupported by legal precedent. Several other cities across the country also have sued the firearms industry. Thursday's action was the first dismissal of such a suit, a lawyer for gun manufacturers said. Jim Dorr, a Chicago lawyer for gun makers Sturm, Ruger & Co. Inc., of Southport, Conn., and Smith & Wesson Corp., of Springfield, Mass., said he hopes to use the ruling by Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Robert Ruehlman in seeking the dismissal of 17 similar lawsuits representing 27 city or county governments. Those lawsuits are pending in state or federal courts around the country. "These lawsuits filed by the cities have been, in our opinion, nothing but smoke and mirrors with no legal foundation to them," Dorr said. Ruehlman became the first judge to dismiss any of the lawsuits, Dorr said. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Treat Guns Like Car, Great Idea (fwd) Date: 08 Oct 1999 15:40:36 PST On Oct 8, RJK.Sr. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] TAKING IT TO THE STREETS Why treating guns like cars might not be such a bad idea. by David B. Kopel.. Should we treat guns like cars? Handgun Control Inc. has been saying so for years, and this summer Vice President Al Gore agreed. "We require a license to drive a car in this nation in order to keep unsafe drivers off the road," Gore said. "As president, I will fight for a national requirement that every state issue photo licenses [for handgun buyers]. We should require a license to own a handgun so people who shouldn't have them can't get them." Prospective licensees should have to "pass a background test and pass a gun safety test." Gore predicted that his plan would cause the gun lobby to "have a fit." Actually, if Gore follows through on his promise to treat guns like cars, he will oversee the most massive decontrol of firearms in America since 1868, when the 14th Amendment abolished the Southern states' Black Codes, which prevented freedmen from owning guns. Although anti-gun lobbyists who use the car analogy are pushing for additional controls, laws that really did treat guns like cars would be much less restrictive, on the whole, than what we have now. The first thing to go would be the 1986 federal ban on the manufacture of machine guns for sale to ordinary citizens. We don't ban cars like Porsches just because they are high-powered and can drive much faster than the speed limit. Even though it's a lot easier to go 50 miles per hour over the highway speed limit in a Porsche than in a Hyundai, we let people own any car they want, no matter what its potential for abuse. After getting rid of the machine gun ban, the next step toward treating cars like guns would be repealing the 1994 federal "assault weapon" ban and its analogs in California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and a few other jurisdictions. So-called assault weapons are actually ordinary guns that fire just one bullet each time the trigger is pressed, but they happen to look like machine guns. just as we don't ban powerful Porsches (which actually can go very fast), we don't ban less-powerful vehicles that simply look like high-performance cars. Likewise, we don't ban autos because they are underpowered, or because they're made with low-quality metal. If you want a Yugo, you can buy one. So the state-level bans on inexpensive guns (a.k.a. "junk guns" or "Saturday night specials") will have to go, along with the federal rules against the import of cheap guns. Also slated for elimination under the treat-cars-like-guns rule are thousands of laws regulating the purchase of firearms and their possession on private property. The simple purchase of an automobile is subject to essentially no restrictions. When you show up at the dealer's showroom, he will not conduct a background check to find out if you have a conviction for vehicular homicide, or if you've been arrested for drunk driving, or even if you have a driver's license. All you need is money. The only "waiting period" to buy a car runs from the time you pay for it (with cash, a certified check, or a loan document) to the time the salesman hands you the keys. This waiting period tends to run from 30 seconds to five minutes. In contrast, firearms are the only product in this country for which FBI permission (via the national background check) is required for every single retail purchase. If you keep your automobile on private property, there are virtually no restrictions. Even though your driver's license was revoked last week, you can drive your Jeep on your ranch as much as you want. Indeed, you can drink a case of beer before you go driving around your ranch, and enjoy the ride knowing that you are not violating a single law. (Of course, if any form of negligent or reckless conduct with your auto on your own property results in injury to an innocent person or to someone else's property, you will be financially responsible, and you may be prosecuted for violating laws against reckless endangerment.) T hus, we can get rid of all the laws concerning gun storage in the home, together with the laws that ban possession of guns by various persons on private property. Current federal law outlaws gun possession, on private as well as public property, by anyone who has ever been convicted of a felony (even a nonviolent one), anyone with a misdemeanor involving domestic violence (such as two brothers who had a fistfight on their front lawn 30 years ago), anyone who has been dishonorably discharged from the military, any alcoholic, any illegal drug user (defined by regulation as anyone who has used drugs in the last year), any illegal alien, and various other "prohibited persons." Some states, such as Massachusetts, go even further, making all gun possession presumptively illegal, except for persons with special licenses. Once we really treat guns like cars, all of these laws will be swept away. Most cities do prohibit property owners from storing their cars in an unsightly manner (say, on cinder blocks in the front yard), or from parking too many cars on the public street in front of their homes. Fair enough. Gun owners will have to accept laws against leaving nonfunctional guns strewn about th eir front yard, and they will not be allowed to leave excessive numbers of guns on the street. (Anti-gun groups frequently compla in that there are "too many guns on the street.") If you have a car on your own property, you can hitch it to a trailer, have it pulled to someone else's property, and drive the car on his property (assuming you have his per- mission). As long as your car is just being towed, you don't need a driver's license or plates. Thus, gun owners should be allowed to transport their unloaded guns to private property (a shooting gallery, for example) for use on that property. jurisdictions such as New York City would no longer have the power to require a separate "target permit" just to take a gun to the local pistol range. But now suppose that you want to use your car on public property, such as a street or an old logging trail in a national forest. Then a licensing system does come into play--but only because the car will be used in public. For a license that allows you to drive a car anywhere in public, most states require that you 1) be at least 15 or 16 years old; 2) take a written safety test that requires an IQ of no more than 75 to pass; and 3) show an examiner that you know how to operate a car and how to obey basic safety rules and traffic signs. Your license may be revoked or suspended if, while driving in public, you violate certain safety rules or cause an accident. Except in egregious cases (such as killing someone while driving with extreme recklessness), first or second offenses do not usually result in license revocations. Once the driver's license is issued, it is good in every state of the union. These driver's license requirements seem to be what Gore has in mind for handguns, although he fails to recognize that the requirements apply only to cars used in public, not cars possessed in pri- vate. The vice president's mistake is under- standable, given his lack of driving experience in the years since the taxpayers have been paying for his full-time chauffeur. In July, Gore warned that the 2000 election is "no time to take a far-right U-turn." He apparently did not realize that on American roads, it is impossible to make a U-turn to the right. The guns-like-cars licensing system touted by Gore is already in effect in 30 states, where adults with a clean record can obtain a permit to carry a concealed hand- gun for lawful protection. (Vermont requires no permit.) Making the concealed handgun licensing system exactly like the driver licensing system would involve a few tweaks, namely: 1) reducing the minimum age for a license (21 or 25 in most states); 2) reducing the fees (which can run over $100 in many states); 3) mandating a written exam in the minority of states that do not currently have one; 4) adding a practical demonstration test, which no state currently has; and 5) making the licenses valid everywhere, instead of just in the issuing state. And of course, the 19 states that currently don't give handgun carry permits to every person with a clean record would have to change their laws. A few states already require licensees to register one or two specific guns that will be carried. Under the treatguns-like-cars rule, every gun carried in public would have to be registered, and the owner would have to pay an annual or semiannual registration tax. Th e registration would also apply to hunting or target shooting guns used on public lands. Once you get a driver's license, you can drive your car anywhere that is open to the public. Thus, we will have to repeal all the laws against carrying guns within 1,000 feet of a school, or in bars, or on government property. Although legislative bodies regulate gun design(through laws banning machine guns, "assault weapon s," and inexpensive guns), no federal agency has the authority to impose new design standards on firearms. In contrast, federal regulators do impose a wide variety of safety rules on automobiles. Some of these rules, such as mandatory passenger-side air bags, end up killing people. So the one major way in which treating guns like cars would lead to more-restrictive gun laws would be to allow federal regulators to impose design mandates on firearms. Some of these regulations will, like automobile safety rules, cause the deaths of innocent people. Certain kinds of trigger locks, for example, can cause a loaded gun to fire when it is dropped, and a "magazine disconnect" can prevent a gun owner from firing his weapon when he is attacked. But if we accept death from regulation for cars, then perhaps we will have to accept it for guns as well. Faced with the prospect of really treating guns like cars, gun prohibitionists tend to change their minds. They begin arguing that there are important differences in dangerousness between guns and cars. This is true. Cars are much more danger ous. The Independence Institute's Robert Racansky points out that in 1994 (the last year for which data are available), there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos in the United States. The same year, there were 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms in the United States. Put another way, in any given year, the average car is twice as likely as the average gun to cause a death. And more than 95 percent of gun deaths are intentional (suicide or homicide), while most auto deaths are accidents. This shows how dangerous cars really are: They are twice as likely to kill as guns are, even though the killer behind the wheel does not intend to take a life. Plus, most people who die from guns are suicides who choose to die, but almost none of the people who die in car crashes choose to die. Another argument against treating guns like cars, of course, is that gun ownership is explicitly protected by the U.S. Constitution and by 44 state constitutions, while car ownership has no such special status. On the other hand, if the groups that call for treating guns like cars followed their own advice, they would immediately disband. There are no major Washington lobby groups arguing that people should be able to buy a car only if the government decides they need one, or that people should use only public transportation, instead of private vehicles, during life-threatening emergencies. Yet Handgun Control Inc.'s Sarah Brady favors "needs-based licensing" for firearms. "To me," she told the Tampa Tribune, "the only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes." In response to the question of whether there are legitimate reasons for owning a hand- gun, Brady's husband and fellow anti-gun activist, Jim Brady, told Parade magazine: "For target shooting, that's OK. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments" Even if the anti-gun groups did not disband, they would have to change their style dramatically. People who own cars, and who belong to pro-car lobbying groups (such as the American Automobile Association), are treated respectfully by those who disagree with them. They are not routinely denounced when a criminal with a car kills someone. A few days after the Columbine High School murders last April, Steve Abrams deliberately drove his Cadillac onto a play- ground in Costa Mesa, California, killing a 3-year-old and a 4-year-old. No one showed up on television to claim that General Motors, car owners in general, or anyone other than Steve Abrams was responsible for this crime. Politicians did not try to use Abrams' murderous act to cre- ate a campaign issue or stir up support for restrictions on law-abiding car owners. If gun owners were treated like car owners, they would not be vilified by smug moral imperialists with the energetic assistance of the president and most of the national news media. Sad to say, that would be progress. David B. Kopel (davekopel@hotmail.com), research director at the Independence Institute in Golden, Colorado, (i2i.org) is the editor of Guns: Who Should Have Them! (Promethetls). Reason Magazine November 1999 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 45 (fwd) Date: 09 Oct 1999 16:51:11 PST On Oct 9, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =A9 1999 Rich Martin Permission to repost in full, or in part, is granted. You are encouraged to pass this message on to anyone=20 who might be interested in its contents. Better yet, print a=20 copy for a friend who is not on-line. Any and all comments=20 on the subject matter are always welcome. Do NOT use your reply button. Send them to: Slick-D@egroups.com=20 From the Desk of Rich Martin P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com "Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and=20 astonish the rest." Mark Twain _______________________________________________=20 Happy Columbus Day, 1999 I was channel surfing when I came across Ned Beatty, of=20 all people, giving a presidential speech on C-SPAN. I've got=20 to tell you, I am amazed. He wasn't the suave and confident=20 actor I expected. His demeanor could best described as=20 nervous. Now that's not meant as a put down, or to say I=20 agree with any of his conclusions, but he was addressing the=20 issues and proposing (liberal) solutions. And you know what,=20 it was refreshing. I haven't heard a politician do that since=20 Ronald Reagan's first term.=20 He was followed to the podium by Sen John McCain, the=20 war hero, who spoke how the country needs to be returned to=20 the people. He wowed the audience with patriotic words=20 saying he'd bring respect back into the White House, without=20 once mentioning an issue. He was the clear runaway winner. I've long wondered why the feds changed our currency to=20 look like it was designed by Parker Bros and then announced=20 that they would continue accepting the old style currency=20 susceptible to counterfeiting. Perhaps I'm growing cynical=20 (nah) but now they've started minting quarters honoring one=20 state with a figure that reminds us of another, such as the=20 Delaware quarter with a figure that more resembles Paul=20 Revere. Maybe their goal isn't to prevent counterfeiting as=20 much as it is to cheapen the appearance of cash (in favor=20 of govt controllable electronic transfers) and blur the=20 lines of statehood. But just as I convince myself I'm=20 paranoid, I wonder again, why don't they recall the old=20 counterfeitable currency?=20 Well, the Yanks lead 2 games to zip. No team in history=20 has ever come back to win after losing the first 2 games of=20 the playoffs. We've got them right where we want them: over-=20 confident.=20 How Slick is Slick?=20 Trai= tor=20 Bill Clinton [Free Republic]=20 PATIENTS RIGHTS BILL Looks like the Libs are going to get another piece of=20 the Hillary Health Plan in place, and each time they do=20 costs go up, and the number uninsured people goes up.=20 There were 37 mil uninsured then, there are 41 million now.=20 The only one's making any progress are the liberal pols,=20 We the People certainly aren't.=20 IDEAL DEM SOLUTION To hear them tell it, the ideal (aka the Hillary plan)=20 would be to pass a law requiring all employers of any size=20 to purchase the very best health insurance for their=20 employees. Put aside the fact that employees pay for all of=20 their benefits, from dental insurance to the so-called=20 company portion of FICA, in the form of smaller take home=20 pay, the Dem plan still doesn't contribute to the solution.=20 The only way to increase the number of people being serviced=20 isn't by giving them insurance, which in the long term may=20 be counterproductive when docs take longer vacations and=20 retire earlier. (If demand is increased, and supply remains the=20 same, market prices can expect to go up.) Why aren't they=20 smart enough to realize, to get more quality health care, you=20 must have more quality health providers? Repeal the laws=20 limiting the number of docs allowed in Med School each year.=20 If the govt feels the need to do something, let them give=20 scholarships to the best and brightest. HATE CRIME Can you imagine the uproar if an artist painted a=20 picture of the Star of David covered in elephant dung? It=20 would be a Hillary of a different color. (They'd want to=20 hang the artist instead of the "work of art".) =20 HIDDEN TAXES Last year Los Angeles collected $5 million from citizens=20 caught using "handicapped passes" inappropriately, and none=20 of it was used to reduce the tax burden on the tax payers. TAX HIKES =3D LOWER BENEFITS Rush Limbaugh pointed out several cuts made by Clinton=20 forces on the "poor", such as lowering the threshold on how=20 much a senior citizen could earn, without losing Social=20 Security benefits, and a multitude of new cig taxes. Here's=20 another, in one of their last official acts, the Democratic Congress removed the tax exemption for unemployment=20 benefits, effectively reducing those benefits by 15%!=20 EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT The GOP caved on their plan to stretch out EIC payments=20 over 12 mos to help with their smoke-and-mirror budget=20 plans. I can think of a lot of reasons that the idea would=20 be an improvement over the current lump sum payment method,=20 but "balancing the budget on the backs of the poor" isn't=20 one of them. This needs a full blown natl discussion. WELFARE REFORM What would you call a monthly stipend paid to poor=20 families based on their income of the prior year, welfare? (See above.) ANIMAL RIGHTS Isn't it curious, while local govts are passing=20 ordinances to prohibit domestic livestock within the city=20 limits, others are working equally hard to allow dangerous=20 animals, such as wolves and alligators, to run wild (on=20 other people's property).=20 WACO Waco: Govt=20= Set=20 Fire=20 CLINTON LEGACY Have you noticed all the people who think they are=20 qualified to fill the shoes of prez Clinton? Ned Beatty. The =20 Donald. Cybil Shepard. Oprah. Not one indoctrinated in the=20 laws of governing. When compared to the current occupant of=20 at 1600 Pennsylvania... THE=20 CLINTONS LEGACY =20 FORFEITURE LAWS As bad as it is, the Republicrats plan to make the=20 forfeiture laws that skirt around the Bill of Rights worse.=20 DOJ's Forfeiture Expansion Bill just introduced Senate Bill=20 1701 is a horrible bill. The sponsors of S-1701 are:=20 Sens Jeff Sessions (R. Ala.) and Charles Schumer (D-NY).=20 The co-sponsors are: Strom Thurmond (R-SC), Joseph Biden =20 (D-Del), Jesse Helms (R-NC), Diane Feinstein (D- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] Fwd: JAIL BEFORE YOU ARE GUILTY AND WITH NO VICTIM - ALL IT TAKES IS Date: 09 Oct 1999 16:53:13 PST On Oct 9, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] We have faith in the people of Oregon that they see through the schemes of Kevin Mannix and his associate social engineers and traitorous bar members in the legislature. Among the insidious tenacles of this blatant unconstitutional regime, is the language that is seen quite often wherein "Except as otherwise specifically provided, this section >supersedes any conflicting section of this Constitution." This is going to completely destroy the integrity of the original constitution once and for all, and silence any parts that establish restrictions on government that "conflict" with these unconstitutional measures. Another concealled intent, and the primary purpose of this bill, (and many others like it pushed past a thousand other bills that never got hearing on the self interest of Mannix and fellow TRAITORS) (that is what someone who commits TREASON IS) .... By allowing the STATE to incarcerate people BEFORE trial, and not require a victim, gives the STATE ultimate control over EVERYONE ...... the STATE is a fictitious entity - not an actual person - and just like the STATE accuses everyone, then uses a revolving party of 210 assistant attorney generals at taxpayer expense to destroy anyone who comes against the STATE or challenges the STATES authority. By jailing people who have been ACCUSED - and it makes special mention of sex abuse "allegations".....This is the FAVORITE TOOL of the persecutors - throw the "nasty card" at every man, especially, and that is all ! The courts will create the rest of the story, with compromised state employed counsellors and officers who will write hearsay reports and destroy childrens minds with sexual abuse and call this evidence.......We have proven this first hand, that the STATE will also in this manner refuse to allow lies to be recanted, and will proceed with prosecution in the NAME OF THE STATE (?!) having created a fictitious, non existent "victim" to "defend". The DA "assumes" that "probably" the person recanted bacuse they were "intimidated" by the defendant, another reason to jail "potential" criminals.......the snake coils around and around the tree of justice....... The primary goal of this bill is that once you are incarcerated, you CANNOT defend yourself. I am president of Oregon Judicial Watch and can confirm the horrendous situation right now with plea bargains, mandated sentences and courts of no due process or real evidence, wherein corrupt Appeals court judges on parole boards refuse to release prisoners even when they have served their terms, and the prisons have a federal money "prisoner incentive" program which rewards the STATE NOT to release prisoners. Once the person is incarcerated, they are forced in to a compelled contract with a prostitute attorney who works for the STATE - the STATE is creating a ONE HANDS GROUP (have already done this) whereby EVERYONE IN THE COURTROOM works for the State or is Licensed by the STATE or is subcontracted to the STATE so that they are comrpomised. EVERY PIECE OF VICTIMS RIGHTS LEGISLATION AND PROTECT THE CHILD PROTECTS THE REGIME AND DESTROYS INDIVIDUALS RIGHTS. In l986 Kitzhaber said THE STATE IS THE PARENT OF THE CHILD and all of the legislation is IN PLACE ALREADY and this is the crowning achievement carefully orchestrated by Mannix and fellow bar members who are violating the constitution by even BEING IN THE LEGISLATURE and also being members of the judicial branch, the bar being a "branch" of the courts...... The media, by omissions, have kept the people in the dark, but no longer. These measures were pushed through without any process in place to insure constitutionality - for the Legislature to move forward unconstitutional rules, which are VOID OF LAW, is in itself TREASON and MISPRISON OF FELONY to deny citizens access to right of redress of greivances. THE CONSTITUTION RESTRICTS GOVERNMENT - IT DOES NOT "GIVE' ANYBODY RIGHTS !!!!!!!! IT ONLY ESTABLISHES INVIOLATE RIGHTS OF CHILDREN OF GOD !!!! THE STATUTES THAT HAVE USURPED THE CONSTITUTION SAY THEY 'CONFER RIGHTS' (example ORCP 20(C) says statutes "a right derived therefrom") - It is so BLATANT now that we see how the bar has insidiously undermined our freedom, in particular since l910, creating a counterfeit constitutional amendment to create a provisional government. This was never ratified, and now we have challenged the Oregon Supreme Court to defend this TREASON against the people. WAKE UP AMERICA > -----Original Message----- >OREGON HOUSE JOINT RESULTION 90 = MEASURE 71 > >You say you've been wrongly arrested and you are innocent and >would like to have bail set? Forget it...this is from HJR 90. > >Remember now....your SUPPOSED TO BE INNOCENT until >proven guilty. > >"Murder, aggravated murder and treason shall not be bailable when >the proof is evident or the presumption strong that the person is >guilty. Other violent felonies shall not be bailable when a court >has determined there is probable cause to believe the criminal >defendant committed the crime, and the court finds, by clear and >convincing evidence, that there is danger of physical injury or >sexual victimization to the victim or members of the public by >the criminal defendant while on release." > >Pay close attention to the fact that it is THE STATE that is >making the determination that a person is "dangerous"..... I'm not >saying that people who are clearly violent and dangerous to society >shouldn't be denied bail. What I'm trying to convey is the power the >state is creating for itself. > > >THEN WE HAVE (From Section 2): >***************************** >"Except as otherwise specifically provided, this section >supersedes any conflicting section of this Constitution." > >AND THE BEST PART OF IT ALL: >****************************** >"In the event no person has been determined to be a victim >of the crime, the people of Oregon, represented by the prosecuting >attorney, are considered to be the victims." > >Guess we can go after all those nasty PARENTS that don't go along >with GOVERNMENTSPEAK, eh? And then there's political dissidents, >activists and other DANGEROUS people that THE GOVERNMENT >doesn't like..... > >Here's House Joint Resolution 90 - Measure 90 on the ballot. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > 70th OREGON LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY--1999 Regular Session > > > Enrolled > > House Joint Resolution 90 > >Sponsored by COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY - CRIMINAL LAW > > > >Be It Resolved by the Legislative Assembly of the State of > Oregon: > > PARAGRAPH 1. The Constitution of the State of Oregon is amended >by creating a new section to be added to and made a part of >Article I, such section to read: > { + (1) To ensure that a fair balance is struck between the >rights of crime victims and the rights of criminal defendants in >the course and conduct of criminal proceedings, the following >rights are hereby granted to victims in all prosecutions for >crimes: > (a) The right to be reasonably protected from the criminal >defendant or the convicted criminal throughout the criminal >justice process and from the alleged youth offender or youth >offender throughout the juvenile delinquency proceedings. > (b) The right to have decisions by the court regarding the >pretrial release of a criminal defendant based upon the principle >of reasonable protection of the victim and the public, as well as >the likelihood that the criminal defendant will appear for trial. >Murder, aggravated murder and treason shall not be bailable when >the proof is evident or the presumption strong that the person is >guilty. Other violent felonies shall not be bailable when a court >has determined there is probable cause to believe the criminal >defendant committed the crime, and the court finds, by clear and >convincing evidence, that there is danger of physical injury or >sexual victimization to the victim or members of the public by >the criminal defendant while on release. > (2) This section applies to proceedings pending or commenced on >or after the effective date of this section. Nothing in this >section abridges any right of the criminal defendant guaranteed >by the Constitution of the United States, including the rights to >be represented by counsel, have counsel appointed if indigent, >testify, present witnesses, cross-examine witnesses or present >information at the release hearing. Nothing in this section >creates any cause of action for compensation or damages nor may >this section be used to invalidate an accusatory instrument, >ruling of a court, conviction or adjudication or otherwise >suspend or terminate any criminal or juvenile delinquency >proceeding at any point after the case is commenced or on appeal. >Except as otherwise specifically provided, this section >supersedes any conflicting section of this Constitution. > (3) As used in this section: > (a) 'Victim' means any person determined by the prosecuting >attorney to have suffered direct financial, psychological or >physical harm as a result of a crime and, in the case of a victim >who is a minor, the legal guardian of the minor. In the event no >person has been determined to be a victim of the crime, the >people of Oregon, represented by the prosecuting attorney, are > > > >Enrolled House Joint Resolution 90 (HJR 90-B) Page 1 > > > >considered to be the victims. In no event is it intended that the >criminal defendant be considered the victim. > (b) 'Violent felony' means a felony in which there was actual >or threatened serious physical injury to a victim or a felony >sexual offense. > (4) The prosecuting attorney is the party authorized to assert >the rights of the victim and the public established by this >section. + } > > PARAGRAPH 2. { + The amendment proposed by this resolution >shall be submitted to the people for their approval or rejection >at a special election held throughout this state on the date >specified in section 2, chapter ___, Oregon Laws 1999 (Enrolled >House Bill 2354). + } > ---------- > > > > Adopted by House May 27, 1999 > > Readopted by House July 9, 1999 > > ---------------------------------- > Chief Clerk of House > > ---------------------------------- > Speaker of House > > > Adopted by Senate July 7, 1999 > > ---------------------------------- > President of Senate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Enrolled House Joint Resolution 90 (HJR 90-B) Page 2 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - Cal) and Max=20 Cleland (D-Ga).=20 MEDIACRATS A reporter named Sperry was recently attacked by the WH=20 story-teller Joe Lockhart for confronting the prez at a=20 "rope event" held on the lawn of White House. He said it was=20 a "social affair" held for the reporters and their families,=20 and inferred Sperry was out of order asking the prez a=20 serious question. Sperry has been on tv talk circuit to=20 explain his side, including Bill O'Reiley's The Factor, but=20 there's one question that never comes up. Good ol' Joe=20 inferred Sperry was an ingrate for not graciously accepting=20 the prez hospitality ("if it were my house...").=20 Hey, we're not dumb. We know why they want to get the=20 media in an informal setting with their families. But why=20 are We the People footing the bill to have the 4th Estate's=20 objectivity compromised? Clinton didn't give the party, We=20 the People did! Or, at least, WE paid for it. Small=20 potatoes, maybe, but any reporter who showed up is opening=20 himself up for charges of collaborating with the enemy,=20 commonly known in DC as "influence peddling." People have=20 been known to pay $50K for such an opportunity.=20 TV According to candidate Ned Beatty, Congress subsidized=20 (bribed) the tv industry with $2 bil to convert broadcasting=20 to the wide-band digital system of the near future. Those=20 who can afford the new $1,000+ TVs will have a clearer=20 picture to watch. Those who can't afford to replace their=20 several current TVs with a single modern HD TV, will get a=20 clearer picture of how decisions made in DC can affect their=20 personal life style---and why they should have voted in the=20 last election.=20 ALGORE Algore sez he's sending his campaign to Nashville "to get=20 in touch with his roots" (2 generations removed). Word is=20 he's going to announce how he created the Grand Ole Opry,=20 and reveal that Donna Fargo's "The Happiest Girl In the USA"=20 was written by Tipper on their honeymoon. Alex Haley would=20 be proud. =20 NASHVILLE His #2 man quit rather than leave the center of power,=20 and reports are the Algore's campaign manager, former Calif=20 Congressman Tony Coehlo, only paid back $200K of the $300K=20 he borrowed as our team leader at the Portugal World Fair.=20 Back when the Constitution was in force, and before Rubin=20 "borrowed" the Fedl Pension Fund to finance the country=20 during the Republican shut-down, only the Congress had the=20 authority to borrow money in the King's name. Looks like=20 Article 8 went south with the 2nd Amendment.=20 Heads Up:=20 ANOTHER GOOD SCANDAL BREWING=20 PAT BUCHANAN Pundits such as Rush Limbaugh claim PJB is going to the=20 Reform party because they have $13 mil of public matching=20 funds to spend on the prez campaign. The latest FEC reports=20 show that dem candidates Gore & Bradley raised over $13 mil=20 in the last reporting period between them, and George W,=20 well you know about his unprecedented success.=20 KATHIE'S KORNER Sometimes you just have to wonder. Is it just=20 California? What's going on where you live? Our local high=20 school accepted a bribe from Pepsi-Cola, a Pepsi billboard=20 (essentially) that doubles as a scoreboard for the school's=20 football games. In return, the school promises to sell only=20 Pepsi products on campus. What is really weird is that we've=20 gone even further and prohibit the sale of all caffeinated=20 beverages at the high school, even regular Pepsi. The=20 principle bridles when asked. Caffeine is bad for you, he=20 says solemnly. Last time I looked, so is sugar, chocolate,=20 butter, aspartame and a great many other ingredients of=20 school lunches. Do you think caffeine is waiting in the=20 wings, waiting for when the spotlight moves off tobacco? Reply to: fishrap@netdex.com AND THEN THERE WERE THREE In another blow against our free economy, World Com, who=20 bought MCI not long ago, has decided to do away with another=20 competitor by "purchasing" Sprint in a $115 bil stock swap.=20 Now where I come from, you purchase something with something=20 of value, most often cash; and when corps combine their=20 assets to form a single company with a common stock, it's=20 called a merger. Assuming the Clinton WH agrees, (they've=20 agreed to everything else not related to Bill Gates) the Big=20 3 will control 90% of the long distance in the country. Just=20 one more telecommunication mergers, and we'll be back to the=20 future (when AT&T and ITT monopolized the industry).=20 PAY CUT IN THE WORLD'S BEST ECONOMY United Airlines has announced they are cutting travel=20 agents commission from 8% to 5%. American Airlines is=20 expected to follow suit. In another cost saving move, Chase=20 Bank has announced the transfer of 1,600 marketing jobs from=20 Long Island, to Arlington, TX. (Take that, you Yankee fans.)=20 How much will be passed on the the consumer, and how much=20 less will be ending up in the pockets of the workers?=20 REMEMBER THE GOOD OLE DAYS... when comic books had 52 pages, and were blamed for teenage=20 violence? when gumballs were a penny, but if you got a "winner", you=20 could get a nickel candy bar.=20 when Martin Kane, Private Eye, was brought to us by I'd=20 walk a mile for a Camel? BEST OF SLICK-d the Common=20 Conservative: "Citizen Kane" - D. N. Kane =20 WAR The Pentagon has requested and recd pay increases for=20 all military personnel. It seems today's mercenaries cost=20 considerably more than the patriots who filled the ranks in=20 the days of yore. 128 flag officers have quit the service=20 with no notice made by the mass media.=20 GREATEST LIE OF THE 2OTH CENTURY "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica=20 Lewinski." THIS SPACE FOR RENT Reliable Internet Access for only $14.95 a month. Over 600 access numbers in 26 States and growing. Cyber77-ISP, web hosts, unlimited access,=20 high-speed servers=20 If you have your own web site, you know it's not enough=20 to be on the internet with 30,000,000 geeks. Oh, search=20 engines are great---for the other guy, but wouldn't you=20 prefer to be a little more direct? Instead of trying to=20 reach millions of people who can't spell your name, here's=20 your chance to target thousands of politically active=20 people like yourself. Send e-mail for details to=20 RSlickAd@aol.com. PARTING THOUGHT Only in America does the govt outlaw images of the=20 Virgin Mary at town squares and public school pageants,=20 while demanding they be displayed covered in elephant dung=20 in "art" museums. We're a sick, sick nation.=20 * * * * *=20 Subscribe to this Slick e-zine featuring Kathie's Korner, and receive absolutely free, a copy of Rich's Major Media=20 Mailing List containing over 400 e-mail addresses. To=20 subscribe, send your check for $24.95 to the address at the=20 top of this message. Be sure to include your e-mail address. THE TRUTH IS...=20 A. Powerful. C. In the eye of the beholder.=20 B. Irrelevant. D. All of the above. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [2ndamendmentnews] EFFECTIVE LOBBYING (fwd) Date: 09 Oct 1999 19:06:49 PST On Oct 9, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] EFFECTIVE LOBBYING Third in a series. Next is Running Campaigns and Unregistering Your Gun. See below. **************************** Oppose and defeat the Juvenile Justice Bill You can call your representatives at the following toll-free numbers US Capitol Switchboard 888-449-3511 You can also call them using the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224- 3121. Here's an e-mail link to Congress. http://in-search-of.org/ http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html To spread the word call Rush Limbaugh at 800-282-2882 and callers may call in from 12 noon to 3PM EST, M-F See newly revised www.2ndamendment.net For legislative updates contact www.nealknox.com and go to "Scripts from the Firearms Coalition Legislative Update Line" ***************************** BASIC PRINCIPLE - Gun laws do not prevent criminals from getting firearms. Criminals do not obey laws. In fact, the disarming of honest citizens makes crime worse. Therefore, additional firearm restrictions are bad and fewer restrictions are good. Anti-gun media people and politicians do not wish to control your firearms. They wish to destroy your firearms. PURPOSE - Your purpose is to protect the individual's right to keep and bear arms. The best way to defend your own rights is to defend the rights of others. This means achieving positive legislative results. Your job as an activist is to (A) stop bad legislation from passing and (B) get good legislation passed. The job is not to make a particular person or politician happy. NECESSARY PREREQUISITES - You must be willing to spend your own time, energy and money to do this work. First, go to your local library and copy all of the state and federal firearm laws and place then in a notebook with separators and labels. Read and understand all of these laws. Next be a member of a firearms organization in your state - preferably one that has a range and a large, stable, active membership. Make sure you can mail to this membership. Get to be the organization's legislative officer. Get from your state capital a roster of the state legislators with their HOME and office addresses and phone numbers. Print up this roster in a handy folded to fit shirt pocket form. Pass these out at gun clubs and include in all mailing to members at least once per year. Politicians respond primarily to THOSE IN THEIR DISTRICTS who can vote for or against them. Get a copy of your state's rules for both the senate and house. Know these rules. ACTIVATING FIREARMS OWNERS - Only when it is absolutely necessary must you try to get a large number of your fellow gun owners to contact their representatives by the use of an EXPENSIVE mailing. However, when it is necessary, the mailing should contain your cover letter describing the position you believe they should take with their legislators and a roster of the legislators to be contacted. Your letter must be true, strong and motivational. Anger and fear should be in your letter to your firearm owner friends. You must get them to act. They will act but you cannot get them to do this very often. PRINCIPLE OF LEGISLATIVE DIRECTION - Bad legislation is that legislation that restricts firearm owners further in a particular jurisdiction. Good legislation is that legislation that restricts firearm owners less in that particular jurisdiction. Legislation that is good in a very restrictive state is bad is a far less restrictive state. People who have not lived in a very restrictive state do not understand this. The legislative rules are as follows: 1. Stopping bad legislation is the FIRST PRIORITY. A. Use the numerical strength where it exists in either house or either committee. B. Get amendments attached to make the bill less likely to pass. C. If nothing else works, get a lot of amendments adopted to soften the legislation. Firearm owners who have never lived in a very restrictive state do not understand this. An example is a bill to follow private sales in a state I formerly resided. Friends in the state Senate amended this bad bill that had passed the house. This meant that the bill had to go back to the house and pass with the amendments. In the mean time I personally called 180 members of my gun club and the bill failed in the house by 2 votes out of a 141-member house. A word of caution here. You do not want to amend the bill to make it acceptable to more of the members of the general assembly. You wish to make the bill unacceptable to anti- gun legislators. The object is to kill the bill. 2. Passing good legislation is the SECOND PRIORITY; however when no attack is present pursue good legislation. A. Write the bill so that it will be perceived as practical legislation. Read the present law and get a lawyer friend to help. Run it by others. A dream bill that goes nowhere wastes resources and your creditability. THE PERFECT IS THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD. B. Use the numerical strength where it exists in either house or committee. C. Get amendments attached to make the bill more likely to pass. D. If the politicians insist on garbaging up the bill, stop or soften any of these amendments you can. However get the bill passed. E. PRINCIPLE OF GRADUALISM - Use the gradualism approach. Year after year pass good bills. People who have never lived in a very restrictive state do not understand this. A lot of members think NRA is responsible for the final wording of a bill. This is not necessarily true. Mistakes can be made by local activists who are not politically savvy or more likely by NRA-ILA's liaisons. YOUR FRIENDS CAN DO TO YOU WHAT YOUR ENEMIES CANNOT. However opposition politicians do the most damage. F. DO NO HARM You have no moral right to appease the anti-gun politicians and media. Do not preemptively surrender, or decide which aspect of our Second Amendment right should be gutted in trade for advancing or not gutting some other aspect. Do not support "tolerable" unconstitutional gun controls to appear reasonable, or in return for a sucker promise to back off on other gun controls. Unfortunately over the years NRA has done this at times. In 1988 they made a compromise to get the Maryland roster board that now decides what handguns can be sold in Maryland. The NRA State Liaison called me late at night to tell me AFTER the fact. I wrote and help bring to a vote the Maryland referendum to try to stop the law from going into effect. This did fail because of the police raid on the headquarters of the Maryland Committee Against the Gun Ban the night before the election. The TV stations left the voters with the impression the pro-gun side was doing something illegal. (The anti-gun politicians used the tactics of the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s.) COMMUNICATING WITH POLITICIANS - Do not try to communicate with the politicians who are the enemies of firearm ownership. You do not want to waste your time and damage our cause by educating the enemy. Do all your communication with the politicians in that political body who are in favor of firearm ownership. Testify at each hearing where an anti-gun bill is being considered. Arrive early and sign up before anyone else. Stay late and talk to the politicians who are on your side in the committee. A friend on the committee can do our cause a world of good. GOOD ARGUMENTS - Your idea of a good argument and what works are different. The ideas that work on anti-gun bills are pointing out those things in the bill that can work an injustice on the average citizen. Your committee testimony should be written for reference. But only say what others have not said ahead of you. Repetition will not work with committee members. FOLLOW THE BILL - It is up to you to know the legislative schedule and obtain timely copies of all bills affecting firearm owners. You must think ahead and have the information beforehand. Anti-gun bills are not dead until the legislative session ends. Pro-gun bills are not completed until signed by the Governor. **************************** The 2ndAmendmentNews Team The way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights of others. Our right to own and use firearms is under attack. We receive e-mail addresses from various sources that represent the recipients as receptive to our timely, low-to- moderate volume gun-rights-related alerts (generally no more than weekly, never more than daily, depending on legislative and other circumstances). Occasionally recipients turn out to be not interested, and we remove them immediately with our sincere apology for any inconvenience. If you wish to be removed send an e mail to 2ndamendmentnews- owner@onelist.com and include "unsubscribe". If you know anyone who would appreciate these alerts, please let us know and we'll enroll them on a trial basis. Also, feel free to forward our alerts. If you've received this as a forward and wish to subscribe please send a reply to me at luz.clark@prodigy.net or behanna@fast.net Cordially Yours, The 2ndAmendmentNews Team 2ndAmendmentNews is published by volunteer activists who support the full original individual rights intent of the 2nd Amendment and oppose any appeasement on gun rights. The moderators include Chris Behanna, Weldon Clark (an NRA director) and Steve Cicero. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. -- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get EXPERT CONTENT at ONElist! Join PROS&PUNDITS. For details go to: Click Here [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #155 (2/2) (fwd) Date: 09 Oct 1999 19:58:30 PST THAT the National Committee of the Republican Liberty Caucus applauds Governor Gary Johnson of New Mexico for his forthright and principled position on drug policy. According to news reports, Governor Gary Johnson (R-NM) is now the highest elected official in the nation to advocate the legalization of drugs. Johnson calls for the legalization of everything from marijuana to heroin because he believes the U.S. anti-drug effort is little more than an expensive bust. "Control it, regulate it, tax it," Johnson said of recreational drugs. "If you legalize it we might actually have a healthier society." We most certainly would have a freer society. From the "Know your Customer" banking regulations to full scale midnight paramilitary attacks on the homes of American citizens, the "war on drugs" is more a war on millions of American people than anything else. Nearly every week there are news reports of police making "no knock" raids on people's homes, and killing innocent people in the process. And for what? What's the war about? Nothing more than to stop a few people from self-abuse. We tried that once with alcohol -- and the war on alcohol didn't work either. Last week, Governor Gary Johnson got a little company in his quest to decriminalize recreational drugs. And, this guy is getting the press and acceptance necessary to bring this problem forward for serious discussion. "I think the war on drugs is a miserable failure," said Minnesota's Governor Jesse Ventura in a special "Hardball" interview at Harvard University. Ventura went on to say that people are going to do stupid things. But we go down a slippery slope when we try to legislate against every stupid thing people might do. "I'm not pro-drug here. I'm against drugs," Johnson told a group at the Cato Institute last Tuesday. "Should you go to jail for just doing drugs? I say no. I say you shouldn't." It appears that Governor Johnson and Governor Ventura are in agreement: Regulate and tax the recreational drugs. Like recreational alcohol, keep recreational drugs away from kids and tax it. It should never be the business of government if an adult has a drink or smokes a joint. The so called "war on drugs" is totally unconstitutional, anyway. And this time, that's an easily provable fact. One need only read the Constitution to know why. Back in 1918, when the federal government wanted to ban intoxicating liquors, they knew it could not be done with a simple law passed by Congress and signed by the President. Any such law would have been unconstitutional and back then the Supreme Court enforced the Constitution better. No. More was needed. Constitutional authority. A Constitutional amendment. There is no Constitutional amendment giving the federal government authority to ban recreational drugs. There is no authority anywhere in the Constitution giving the federal government authority to forbid recreational drugs. The whole war on drugs is, therefore, an unconstitutional scam. The recreational drug trade in the United States is estimated to be a $200 billion a year business that caters to about 13 million Americans each month. But despite all law enforcement efforts in this war on drugs, only about 5 percent (maybe) of the illegal drugs coming into the United States are actually seized. The fact is, their price has decreased and the quality and availability have greatly improved over the years. Obviously, someone wants the stuff. The war on drugs was lost years ago. Yet, the fighting still continues via even more obnoxious laws stealing our freedom. Everyone's freedom. And today, that "war" actually harms more people than the drugs do. THEIR PLAN FOR CHANGE WORKED What an interesting development this is! Forty-one years after publication, an article titled "Current Communist Goals," which is an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," written by Cleon Skousen in 1958, is beginning to receive national prominence. W. Cleon Skousen, we should add, was an FBI agent, the police chief of Salt Lake City and a full professor at Brigham Young University. Skousen was also the head of the National Center for Constitutional Studies and the author of a number of other books and publications. Interestingly enough, the Skousen family is also directly related to Founding Father Benjamin Franklin. The first time around, this text was generally greeted with snickers and yawns. Much of the text accurately identified things to come; it's just that few in the United States believed it back around 1960. But, Rep. A. S. Herlong, Jr. of Florida believed. And he read part of it into the Congressional Record in 1963, where future Americans would be able to find it. And find it people have. Because of the good works of Forest Glen Durland, a semi-retired California teacher who realized the historical significance of the piece and posted it on his uhuh.com web site, the text has recently been extensively discussed in a wide variety of forums, from the Dr. Laura national radio program to the FreeRepublic.com web site. Back in the 1960s, few Americans realized exactly how active the communist operation was in the United States. Now that some of the old KGB records are becoming public, we see that there were massive communist disinformation operations designed to divide the American people and stir the forces of social and political discontent. As we published previously, a handful of communist agitators were actually responsible for instigating many of the riots and anti-Vietnam demonstrations back then. In fact, the 1958 text's item #19 actually mentions "use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack." And so they did. Quite successfully, too. "Down with the establishment" is but one memorable chant that had its origin with communist trained agitators. The useful idiots of the drug culture were but one of their tools of disruption back then. The "Current Communist Goals" text identifies many orchestrated mutations of American society. Most of these changes are so entrenched today that younger Americans actually think that is how our culture was intended to be. That is, some Americans do not fully understand the concept of freedom and liberty. They have been, what was called back then, "fully indoctrinated." For instance, one communist goal currently under debate in presidential campaign news is item #4 in the "Current Communist Goals" text: "Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war." Numbers 5, 6 and 7, respectively, call for: "Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites." "Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination." And, "grant recognition of Red China -- admission of Red China to the U.N." Another item continually in the news is #9: "Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress." Item #11 has received great discussion on the Internet, even before the text was again discovered: "Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one- world government with its own independent armed forces." Due to the Clinton administration, #14 catches the eye of most people: "Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office." Not only did Russia have access to our patent office back then, the Clinton administration recently gave a computerized copy of all American patents to communist China. Item #15 suggests that the communists "capture one or both of the political parties in the United States." They didn't get both parties. But, as we look at the ever expanding federal bureaucracy, we see that the communist model has captured nearly one and a half of the two major political parties. The 16th says to "use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights." We see that in many court actions, from civil rights to school desegregation. Item #17 is where it's at, though. This item was accomplished so well that today's students are completely confused about what the Founding Fathers intended as our rights of life, liberty and property: "Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks." And so they did. By the time a careful reader gets down to #20 and #21 they may realize that a very workable plan was described: #20 states: "Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions." #21 rounds it off with: "Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures." There's more, of course. There are forty-five articles in the plan. Most have been implemented, and that is exactly why there have been so many ominous changes in society these past thirty years. That is also why so many of our freedoms have evaporated. See the complete text at: http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm ~ End ~ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #155 (1/2) (fwd) Date: 10 Oct 1999 07:31:49 PST On Oct 09, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia October 10, 1999 #155 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm PROTEST THE FAR-LEFT MEDIA ABC's talking head, Peter Jennings, a high school dropout from Canada who got his start on Canadian radio, addressed the Herb Caen/San Francisco Chronicle lecture series at the University of California at Berkeley last week. Therein, he made a couple interesting points that need a bit of "revising and extending," as those on Capitol Hill are so fond of saying. Jennings told the group that, despite a perception of falling standards in journalism, the American news audience has access to more, and better, information than at any other time in history. "I think the evening news can do a very good job," Jennings said. It gets even funnier, though: "I write or rewrite everything that goes on the evening news," Jennings said. Which means, of course, we can safely blame him directly for the liberal slant on the news. Because, then he stretched the truth just a little: "I have no trouble keeping my opinions dormant while I am on the air." Well, it just so happens that the Media Research Center http://www.mediaresearch.org keeps track of some of the more outrageous far-left "news" quoted by the broadcast and print media, so we ripped off a couple quotes. Here's one from Jennings introducing a piece about the Littleton shooting and web sites: "Finally, this evening, opportunism. There's nothing new about some people trying to take advantage of other people's tragedy. The Internet simply adds a new dimension to it." Yeah. We talk about it without the filter of the far-left. But those not getting their news from the Internet, and not "discussing" the nightly news on forums like Free Republic, get a constant dose of liberal distortion from most national news reports. For instance: Katie Couric opened the Today show saying: "Good morning. The Gipper was an airhead! That's one of the conclusions of a new biography of Ronald Reagan that's drawing a tremendous amount of interest and fire today." Time Executive Editor John F. Stacks wrote in the October 4 issue: "Reagan, who invented statistics, replayed movie plots as if they were history and answered questions with such bewildering non sequiturs that interrogators were stunned into silence...." USA Today columnist Walter Shapiro writes: "Repealing the Second Amendment is no cause for the faint- hearted, but it remains the only way for liberals to trigger an honest debate on the future of our bullet-plagued society. So what if anti-gun advocates have to devote the next 15 or 20 years to the struggle? The cause is worth the political pain. Failing to take bold action condemns all of us to spend our lives cringing in terror every time we hear a car backfire." On CNN's Capital Gang, Time's professional far-left Clinton apologist, Margaret Carlson, said of George W. Bush's reaction to the Fort Worth shooting: "He was looking for profundity and he found a kind of pseudo- religious foolishness in that 'wave of evil.' It's evil with a gun. That's what it is, and gun laws work, and you have to support gun laws if you want to stop this." Time's "Winners and Losers" feature, bashed our Second Amendment right, too: "Texas massacre spotlights Guv's slavish devotion to the NRA. Where's the 'compassion,' Big Guy?" Good Morning America's Diane Sawyer felt free to take a gratuitous swipe at Republicans while interviewing Senator John McCain: "Well, however brave a stand campaign finance reform may be, members of your own party have rejected it. What's the matter with them? Why don't they get it?" The Clinton News Network's anchor Judy Woodruff dumped on Linda Tripp on Inside Politics last week when reporting Tripp's lawsuit over the Pentagon's illegal leak of her personnel file: "A new broadside today against the Clintons from Linda Tripp." Then there was Charles Gibson leading the anti-gun crowd while questioning Gore on Good Morning America, the morning after the church shooting in Fort Worth: Gibson: "I don't want to politicize this, and this is not the time for political questions, but ... do you think the 2000 campaign will largely be about guns?" Gore: "You said you didn't want to politicize it. I can assure it's the last thing that I want to do, and I just don't want to get into a discussion like that." Gibson: "I'm just saying do you think that this is going to be a discussion in the year 2000, this country will sit down and have a frank discussion about guns?" Maybe we should have that little discussion, actually. Perhaps we should start by exchanging all laws regulating personal firearms with those regulating freedom of the press. After all, both are Constitutionally guaranteed rights of equal importance. And, gun owners seem to respect their right to keep and bear arms much more honorably than most of these so called journalists respect their duty to be truthful, fair and correct. Meanwhile, there is a group of folks over at Free Republic getting ready to take some serious action about all this far-left trash masquerading as "news." Below are two of the addresses. http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37c48f347b31.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37ccc2334a1b.htm THE STORM OF OPPRESSION Like a cold hard rain on a dark fall night, the pompous demands of federal officials continue to dampen the American spirit of liberty. The rushing water of political expediency is eroding away the rule of law that once was our nation's foundation. The moisture of excessive laws, rules and regulations has rusted the iron of the people's will to demand the return of what once was called their unalienable rights. The America intended by the Founding Fathers has been nearly destroyed by the expediency of government necessary to maintain complete control over the American people. Unconstitutional laws favoring small groups within the country are enforced with a political wink and a nod in return for the almighty special interest campaign dollars necessary for the politicians and bureaucrats to maintain their lofty political positions of power. Sacrificed by this never ending tide of new laws, rules and regulations are the people's rights to life, liberty and property. Public officials now take private property, and even human lives, with impunity, almost at will. Even when they admit it was an error, there is little or no recourse available to the family nor punishment to the officials involved. Liberty and privacy have become but an ideal of a bygone era, because in today's society Americans are accustomed to submitting to search of person, documents and home. Nothing may be kept from a government agent any longer, whether that agent be the tax man or a cop on the street. And today's Americans so expect their property to be completely regulated by government, some now actually thank a bureaucrat for permission to use that which they have purchased with their own hard earned cash. Yes, over the years Americans have learned to accept their plight of being under the complete control of government. It benefits society, which benefits us all, we are told. It is for our own good, public officials say. So we accept these dark forces of restraint impacting on our liberty. Whether it comes from the far-left or the far- right, the scheme is the most prevalent of those ever- pompous ideals of politicians: control. Collectivism through forced political control. Complete control through forced collectivism. Political control, however, always applies to the actions of the people rather than to government officials. Because government officials make the law, there are very, very few laws regulating the professional actions of politicians and bureaucrats. And, generally speaking, government officials have immunity from prosecution for nearly any action performed, no matter how unconstitutional it may be. An American citizen may be sentenced to death by firing squad for treason. Yet, some public officials may give any or all of our country's top military secrets to the enemy with no worry of legal ramifications. Even worse: Where once we had Congressional committees investigating un-American activities, today we have Congressional committees legislating un-American activities. Once, if a citizen disclosed that a foreign country was attempting to corrupt our political system by illegally contributing money to political campaigns and spending money to affect our elections, that person would be recognized as a hero for exposing the treachery. But today, as we saw recently, the President of the United States, the Attorney General and nearly two thirds of Congress would brand that citizen a traitor and do all in their power to harass and discredit him or her. And most of the Washington media corps, being under the control of the dark political forces that be, would gladly pile-on and quickly make a national laughing stock of the citizen. Those bellicose proclamations of the controlling elite are also stealing the rights of our children. Where once our children were taught that we lived in the land of the free and the home of the brave, they now indoctrinate our children to shut up, sit down and never, ever speak their minds about right and wrong again. What type of public official does all this to the American people? The answer is easy: Politicians and bureaucrats engorged with the sensual juices of power. Those who make a career of the pomp and circumstance of office. Those who love control over the American people. The same type of politician who would give communist enemies with nuclear missiles pointed at our cities "Most Favorite Nation" trade status with us. In other words, it is those very politicians who are paid money by private and foreign interests to provide favors who are the problem. Campaign funds, the money is called. Or out and out graft, for those federal officials not elected to office. Sure, some public officials say that "special interests" are actually "our" collective interests. And such is the shame of it all. Tight political controls are the antithesis of liberty. The storm of capricious laws, rules and regulations restricting the liberty of the people are never truly a "collective" interest. By design, by intent and by action, these laws benefit only small factions of society and are employed to exercise individual control over all others. STOP THE STUPID "WAR ON DRUGS" The Republican Liberty Caucus represents the G.O.P.'s libertarian wing and claims to be the fastest growing libertarian political organization. The objective of the RLC is to help elect libertarian-leaning Republicans to public office. The Caucus provides volunteer and technical support to endorsed candidates, and publishes a detailed vote rating index of the Members of Congress from a libertarian perspective. http://www.rlc.org Last week, the Republican Liberty Caucus National Committee (RLC NC) unanimously passed a very important resolution calling the so called "war on drugs" a failure: WHEREAS the war on drugs has been a failure, with increasing use of illegal drugs by our youth, increasing violence associated with illegal drug trafficking, increasing compromise of our Bill of Rights, and the undermining of democracy in several Latin American countries; WHEREAS it is now undeniable that (leaf form) marijuana has medical value, and citizen initiatives demonstrate overwhelming support for legalizing medical marijuana; WHEREAS only we in the Republican Party, who advocate individual freedom and personal responsibility, can provide the nation with the leadership that will be necessary to adopt a new approach to the problem of drug abuse; THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: EXTREMELY URGENT (fwd) Date: 10 Oct 1999 08:52:49 PST Some of this is nothing new WRT to the refs at the end, but this has the most comprehensive list of them I've seen. On Oct 10, APFN wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ++++ NETWORK FAR AND WIDE++++ PDD 25 http://mikenew.com/pdd25.html EXTREMELY URGENT * EXTREMELY URGENT Toll free to the US Congress: 1-888-449-3511 or 1-800-449-3511 Pay for call at: 202-224-3121 OR 202-225-3121 Rep. Chris Smith blocks Rep. Ron Paul's "American Sovereignty Restoration Act" (H.R. 1146) which will get the US out of the United Nations. It has been boldly stated by former U.N. Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali that "The time of absolute and exclusive sovereignty, however, has passed..." That's the real danger of the United Nations. And that's why the United States must get out of the United Nations. To achieve that, we must break Rep. Smith's roadblock and DEMAND that hearings be held on H.R. 1146. IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED: 1. Write or call Rep. Chris Smith and demand that hearings be held on H.R. 1146. His office number is (1-888-449-3511 OR 1-800-449-3511 Pay for call at: 202-224-3121 OR 202-225-3121 His address is: Honorable Chris Smith, United States House of Representatives, Washington, DC 20515. 2. Write or call the office of the International Operations and Human Rights Committee and demand that hearings be held on H.R. 1146 at (202) 225-5748. The address is B358 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515. 3. Call your congressman and urge him to cosponsor H.R. 1146. The Capitol Hill House Switchboard phone number is: 1-888-449-3511 or 1-800-449-3511 Pay for call at: 202-224-3121 OR 202-225-3121. 4. Call Speaker Hastert and urge GOP leadership to demand hearings on H.R. 1146. Ph: 1-888-449-3511 or 1-800-449-3511 Pay for call at: (202) 225-0600. *************************************************************** --------------------YOU MUST CHOOSE ----------------------- US SOVEREIGNTY OR U.N. DICTATORSHIP. THE INACTION ON THE PART OF INDIVIDUAL US CITIZENS WILL IN FACT BE A VOTE FOR UN DICTATORSHIP. For more detail on the United Nations plans for individual Americans and OUR LAND please consult the following documents. 1. The United Nations plan to separate the child from the parent and make the child a ward of "the state." For details on "--- this new concept of separate rights for children with the Government accepting responsibility for protecting the child from the power of parents], economic exploitation and social neglect." read the UN document: The U.N. Convention On The Rights Of The Child at http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/A12.htm 2. The U.N. plan to control the eduation of "YOUR" children. http://www.unesco.org 3. The U.N. plan to control "YOUR" Mental Health. http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a70.htm 4. The U.N. plan for a U.N. Cop On Every Corner In America??: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a46.htm 5. The U.N. plan to control "YOUR" Community http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a71.htm The Convention on Biological Diversity (1992) http://www.unep.ch/bio/conv-e.html#Art1 contains the full text of the Convention on Biological Diversity, which was opened for signature at the 1992 Rio "Earth Summit". To read an explanatory leaflet about the Convention on Biological Diversity click on the following: http://www.unep.ch/bio/bio-leaf.html 6. The U.N. plan to take over vast areas of U.S. land mass. For an alarming visual perspective of this plan view the milti-color relief map at: THIS IS A "MUST SEE." http://www.america-collins.com/biomaps.htm "Inside Yellowstone, the U.S. Park Service is shutting down campgrounds as the park is being prepared to become the core of a huge biosphere reserve, as part of the United Nations global biodiversity plan," he said. "Once established, no human activity will be permitted in the area," even though U.S. taxpayers must continue to fund the maintenance and upkeep of Yellowstone and other popular outdoor tourist sites. For detail information please refer to: United Nations Educational Scientific And Cultural Organization (UNESCO) Convention Concerning The Protection of The World Cultural And Natural Heritage (WHC-98/CONF.203/18) (Paris, 29 January 1999). To read the full text of this plan click on the following. http://www.unesco.org/whc/nwhc/pages/home/pages/homepage.htm Due to the extreme urgency of this matter The Christian Alert Network (TCAN) respectfully requests that this ALERT be forwarded to the maximum extent possible by all organizations and individuals. TCAN further urges all individual US citizens to make the above contact IMMEDIATELY and CONTINUE to make that contact until H.R.1146, has been successfully debated in the US House of Representatives. **** Rev. "Curt" Tomlin President The Christian Alert Network,Inc. POB 11746 Killeen, Tx 76547-1746 Ph: 254-628-7043 Fax: 254-628-7894 Web Site: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin In 1932 William Z. Foster, then National Chairman of the Communist Party, USA, restated point one of the Communist Manifesto; "The abolition of private property". Then in terms specifically applicable to the U.S., Foster said, "The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body of forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on". USA Communist Party Chief Gus Hall stated, "...The battle will be lost, not when freedom of speech is finally taken away, but when Americans become so 'adjusted or conditioned' to getting along with the 'group' that when they finally see the threat, they say, 'I can't afford to be controversial". Are we now so established or just on the way there? Realize the real agenda and what is happening before it's too late! We are almost there! ___________________My last postscript of the day____________________ End Federal and UN occupation of State lands by BLM, Fish and Wildlife, Forest and Park Services, UNESCO et al. Demand your State Legislatures to call for Congress to cede the so-called Public/Federal lands to your State as is Constitutional. It's either them or us. Mary Denham, State Coordinator Take Back Arkansas, Inc. Fax: 501/521-3530 2167 N. Porter Rd. Fayetteville, AR 72704 Ph: 501/521-1933 TBA website http://www.nwark.com/~tbark NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, any copyrighted material herein is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ================================================================= // APFN // apfn@lv.rmci.net +++ UN - UNITED NATIONS +++ PDD 25 http://mikenew.com/pdd25.html http://www.un.org UN - DISARM AMERICA STATE DEPT 7277 http://harvest-trust.org/7277.htm UN Heritage Sites in the USA. http://www.nwi.org/Maps/Heritage.html UN - Alabama Committee to get us out of the UN http://themustardseed.home.mindspring.com UN - United Nations Vehicles On U.S. Soil! (Posted 7/21/98) These photos are of actual United Nations vehicles on the soil of America. These vehicles are coming into our ports -- namely Port Beaumont, Texas--at a staggering rate. UN Vehicles Just Off The Port http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unveh1.htm Rear View of the Vehicles http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unveh2.htm Close-up http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unveh3.htm Another close-up http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unveh4.htm Transport through City http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unveh5.htm Convoy of Trucks http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unveh6.htm UN Ambulance 1 http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unambul1.htm UN Ambulance 2 http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unambul2.htm UN Bus http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/unbus.htm Missle Launcher Truck http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/missltr.htm East German Vehicles http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/unvehpict/germveh.htm U.N. TREATY DATABASE http://www.un.org/Depts/Treaty http://www.unhchr.ch/html/50th/50anniv.htm Who's Who in the United Nations Drug Control Apparatus http://www.lindesmith.org/news/background.html Alabama Committee to get us out of the UN http://themustardseed.home.mindspring.com eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/slick-d http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Cincy Lawsuit (fwd) Date: 10 Oct 1999 16:18:19 PST On Oct 10, Harry Gilbert wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Judges decision in PDF format available at http://www.firearmslitigation.org/99cn14.pdf. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS HAMILTON COUNTY, OHIO CIVIL DIVISION CITY OF CINCINANTI CASE NO.: A9902369 Plaintiff (Judge Ruehlman) -vs-BERETTA U. S.A. CORP., e al. O R D E R Defendants This matter is before the Court on Motion of Defendants, Beretta U.S.A. Corp., Bryco Arms, Inc., Colt's Manufacturing Co., Inc., H & R 1871, Inc., Hi-Point Firearms (incorrectly named as MKS Supply, Inc., d/b/a Hi-Point Firearms), Lorcin Engineering Co., Inc., North American Arms, Inc., Phoenix Arms, Smith & Wesson Corp., Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc., Taurus International Manufacturing, Inc., and Fabrica D'Armi, Pietro Beretta S.P.A. (manufacturing defendants) and B.L. Jennings, Inc., (distributor defendant), to dismiss plaintiff's complaint with prejudice pursuant to Rule 12(b)(6) of the Ohio Rules of Civil Procedure. Upon consideration of the briefs of the parties and oral argument held before this Court on September 27,1999, the motion is granted and this matter is dismissed with prejudice. In its complaint, the City seeks to recover from defendant firearms manufacturers, a distributor and three trade associations for costs incurred in providing police, emergency, court, prison and other related services in connection with shootings which occur in Cincinnati, regardless of whether those shootings are homicidal, suicidal or accidental. The City further seeks damages for alleged diminution in property value and loss of tax payer revenue, punitive damages and preliminary and permanent injunctive relief which would require defendants to change the methods by which they design,. distribute and advertise their products nationally. In the view of this Court, the City's complaint is an improper attempt to have this Court substitute its judgment for that of the legislature, something which this Court is neither inclined nor empowered to do. Only the legislature has the power to engage in the type of regulation which is being sought by the City here. Moreover, the City's request that this Court abate or enjoin the defendants' lawful sale and distribution of their products outside the City of Cincinnati exceeds the scope of its municipal powers and, to the extent it asks this Court to regulate commercial conductlawful in other states, violates the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution. U.S. Const. art. I 8, cl. 3. Separately and fundamentally, each of the eight counts of the complaint which remain (Count V dealing with the Ohio Consumer Sales Practices Act having been withdrawn by the City) fails to state a cause of action under Ohio law. Count I, characterized as strict liability for design defect, fails for a number of reasons. Count I does not comply with the fundamental requirements for pleading a strict liability claim. Rather than identifying a specific product, a specific defect, an identified manufacturer, and a specific injury with a causal connection, as the City acknowledges is required under the 1988 Ohio Product Liability Act, the complaint instead aggregates anonymous claims with no specificity whatsoever. R.C. 2907.71 et seq. (1988). (The remaining counts likewise fail for the same failure of specificity.) To the extent the City pursues a theory of collective liability, no recognized theory of collective liability under Ohio law applies in these circumstances. Further, neither the law of Ohio nor any other jurisdiction of which the Court is aware permits recovery in strict liability for the intentional use of a product to accomplish an intended result such as homicide or suicide. Finally, the City seeks to recover for economic loss. Under the 1988 Ohio Product 2 Liability Act there is no recovery for economic loss unless the plaintiff is also entitled to compensatory damages for "harm" as defined by the Act. No such "harm: (i.e. death, physical injury or damage to property) to the City is claimed here. Count II, pled as strict liability failure to warn, fails for all of the above reasons as well as the fact that under the Product Liability Act (Section 2307.76) (A) and (B)) there can be liability for failure to warn only if the risk is not open and obvious or a matter of common knowledge. The Court finds as a matter of law that the risks associated with the use of a firearm are open and obvious and matters of common knowledge. Count III, pled as negligence in design, distribution and marketing, and Count IV, pled as negligent failure to warn, fail for the same reasons as the strict liability counts - improper aggregation of claims; no applicable theory of collective liability; no recovery in negligence for "economic loss" of the type sought here (See, LaPuma v, Collinwood Concrete (1996), 75 Ohio St. 3d 64, 661 N.E. 2d 714, Chemtrol v. American Mfgrs. Mut. Ins. Co., (1989), 42 Ohio St. 3d 40, 537 N.E. 2d 624); and the open and obvious nature of the danger as to the failure to warn Count. In addition, under Ohio law, in order to hold a defendant liable in negligence for the criminal conduct of a third party, the defendant must owe a duty arising out of a special relationship between the defendant and the third party giving rise to an ability to control the conduct of that third party, of there must be a special relationship which requires the defendant to protect the plaintiff, Gelbman v. Second Nat'l Bank (1984). 9 Ohio St.3d 77, 458 N.E.2d 1262; Simpson v. Big Bear Stores Co. (1995), 73 Ohio St. 3d 130, 652 N.E. 2d 702. Absent that special relationship - which does not exist here - there is no duty under Ohio law. Count VI is pled as public nuisance. The City's public nuisance claim is based on the alleged negligence of the defendants. Since the Court is compelled to dismiss the City's negligence claims for the reasons stated, it must also 3 dismiss the public nuisance claim. See Metzger v. Pennsylvnia O. & D. R. Co. (1946), 146 Ohio St. 406, 66 N.E. 2d 203. In addition, public nuisance simply does not apply to the design, manufacture and distribution of a lawful product. A separate body of law (strict product liability and negligence) has been developed to cover the design and manufacture of products. To permit public nuisance law to be applied to the design and manufacture of lawful products would be to destroy the separate tort principles which govern those activities. Furthermore, a party cannot be held liable in nuisance absent control of the activity which creates or maintains the nuisance. Here, the nuisance is the criminal or reckless misuse of firearms by third parties who are beyond the control of the defendants. Because defendants have no ability to control the misconduct of those third parties, nuisance does not apply for that reason as well. Counts VII arid VIII allege fraud/fraudulent concealment and negligent misrepresentation in connection with the defendants' alleged general assertion that "home ownership of guns increase home safety and security." There is no specificity in connection with that generic claim such as is required to set forth a cause of action for fraud under Rule 9(b) of the Ohio Rules of Civil Procedure. Nor does the City plead reliance by the City on such claimed misrepresentation or that such reliance was the cause of any of its damages. Furthermore, the statement set out is merely a statement of opinion of future events which does not constitute fraud under Ohio law. Indeed, the statement can be construed to simply reflect that which is set forth under the Ohio Constitution and the laws of the State of Ohio, which recognize the legitimate use of firearms for self-defense. Further, the risks of the use of firearms are open and obvious and commonly recognized and cannot be a basis for fraud or negligent misrepresentation. 4. As to Count IX, which is pled in unjust enrichment, that Count fails because each prior claim fails. Further, as a matter of law, the City's payments arose out of its duties to its citizens and were not a benefit conferred on the defendants. In addition to the failure of each of the City's substantive counts to state a cause of action under Ohio law in these circumstances, additional overarching reasons exist to grant defendants' 12(b)(6) motion. The claims of the City are premised on injuries which have occurred to its citizens, and as such are barred by the doctrine of remoteness. It is well established that a plaintiff may not recover derivative damages for injuries to remote third parties, as the City is attempting to do here. Holmes v. Securities Investor Protection Corp. (1992), 503 U.S. 258, 112 S. Ct. 1311; Cincinnati Bell Tel. Co. v. Straley (1988), 40 Ohio St. 3d 372, 533 N.E. 2d 764; Coyne v. American Tobacco, Co. (1999), 183 F. 3d 488, 495. In addition, absent statutory authorization, the City may not recover for expenditures for ordinary public services which it has the duty to provide. There being no authorizing statute, the City's attempt to recover such expenditures must be denied. For all the foregoing reasons, this matter is dismissed with prejudice and without costs. _____________________________ Honorable Robert. P. Ruehlman 5 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Education (fwd) Date: 10 Oct 1999 20:09:31 PST On Oct 10, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Teaching Math in 1950: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit? Teaching Math in 1960: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? Teaching Math in 1970: A logger exchanges a set "L" of lumber for a set "M" of money. The cardinality of set "M" is 100. Each element is worth one dollar. Make 100 dots representing the elements of the set "M". The set "C", the cost of production contains 20 fewer points than set "M". Represent the set "C" as a subset of set "M" and answer the following question: What is the cardinality of the set "P" for profits? Teaching Math in 1980: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. Her cost of production is $80 and her profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. Teaching Math in 1990: By cutting down beautiful forest trees, the logger makes $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the forest birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down the trees? There are no wrong answers. Teaching Math in 1996: By laying off 40% of its loggers, a company improves its stock price from $80 to $100. How much capital gain per share does the CEO make by exercising his stock options at $80? Assume capital gains are no longer taxed, because this encourages savings. Teaching Math in 1997: A company outsources all of its loggers. The firm saves on benefits, and when demand for its product is down, the logging work force can easily be cut back. The average logger employed by the company earned $50,000, had three weeks vacation, a nice retirement plan and medical insurance. The contracted logger charges $50 an hour. Was outsourcing a good move? Teaching Math in 1998: A laid-off logger with four kids at home and a ridiculous alimony from his first failed marriage comes into the logging company corporate offices and goes postal, mowing down 16 executives and a couple of secretaries, and gets lucky when he nails a politician on the premises collecting his kickback. Was outsourcing the loggers a good move for the company? Teaching Math in 1999: A laid-off logger serving time in Folsom for blowing away several people is being trained as a COBOL programmer in order to work on Y2K projects. What is the probability that the automatic cell doors will open on their own as of 00:01, 01/01/2000? To join the Waco discussion group, Click here ----> waco-gro up-subscribe@egroups.com To join the Slick discussion group, Click here ----> slick-d-sub scribe@egroups.com and read what others are saying about these issues. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] Interesting Items 10/11 (fwd) Date: 11 Oct 1999 14:44:07 PST On Oct 11, Alex Gimarc wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Monday, October 11, 1999 Interesting Items 10/11 - Howdy all, A few Interesting Items for your information. Enjoy - In this issue: 1. Reform Correction 2. Smart ? 3. UPS and Guns 4. Hawaiian Voting 5. Campaign Contributions 6. Jesse Bashing 7. Tax Breaks 8. Cell Phones 1. Reform Correction. Item 6 of Interesting Items 10/4 noted that the Reform Party was on the ballot in all 50 states. I received an e-mail from Reform headquarters stating that they were on the ballot in only 21 states, with another 28 in process. My apologies for the error. 2. Smart ? Much was made last week of GWB's comments in NYC. Liberals and the media lauded the comments as assaults on the Evil Republicans in congress - particularly those in the House. Conservatives went apoplectic believing that GWB had gone all wobbly, mushing out much like the his father did twice and Dole once. Perhaps there is another explanation: That he is already running for president, taking on the media directly, and starting to do all of this in Harlem - hardly a bastion of conservatism. What if GWB has indeed learned from the past 3 presidential campaigns, determined that the media are no longer mere reporters of the facts, but active participants with a desired liberal outcome, and is actively speaking so as to defang the media so they are unable to spend the next 13 months demonizing him like they did to Newt ? What if he knows that he has the Know-nothing arousal-gappers in the middle already supporting him and is starting his campaign from there ? The media is completely unable to trash him if pops off and says something straight out of the Gephardt - Bonior playbook like his EITC comment. Democrats, on the other hand, are going nuts calling him a liar. Perhaps GWB has decided to start out running the middle, keep his rhetoric reasonable, toned down and non- threatening, and slowly move right over the next 13 months of the campaign. Our Side points to Reagan as the example. We forget that he was not only demonized by the left, but by those on the right that did not believe he was sufficiently conservative on a number of issues in 1980. All this goes on while algore and Bradley slug it out, try to out-liberal one another, as they try to tie up the liberal base of the democrat party. 3. UPS and Guns. UPS has decided to halt all ground shipments of handguns. All future shipments will be via Next Day Air, potentially tripling the shipping costs. The excuse given for this Politically Correct action is liability concerns. This action is a twofer - not only does it open the door for an entrepreneur to take that segment of business away, but it exposes UPS to 100 million gun owners as a spineless toady of the left. CNN Headline News, Thurs. 4. Hawaiian Voting. The SCOTUS heard a voting rights complaint from a rancher in Hawaii last week. The case involved another example of liberals dividing Americans by race, giving one group special rights, removing rights from everyone else, and setting them at one another's throats. The case involved a Commission set up to dole out money raised via stewardship of native Hawaiian lands over the last 100 years. The Commission was set up by the state under the auspices of congress, with the membership popularly elected. In recent years, native separatists in Hawaii have started using this commission and the money doled out by it to conduct a campaign of racial separatism. The state decided recently that only natives could vote for its members. A non-native objected to his loss of voting rights and sued. The Clinton administration filed a amicus brief in support of the state's position. When the case was argued before the SCOTUS, Justices were not impressed with racial limits on voting. Properly decided, this case may start cutting the Gordian knot of special rights and special treatments for natives tied in recent years. Anchorage Daily news, Weds. 5. Campaign Contributions. The SCOTUS decided to hear a Missouri case involving strict limits on contributions to political campaigns. In recent years, the Court has found that political contributions are the same as political speech, and have removed limits on them. This case has the potential to overturn campaign finance laws at both the state and federal levels. Limbaugh, Weds. 6. Jesse Bashing. Liberals crawled all over themselves a week ago bashing Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura for his comments in a Playboy interview. Like all Good Liberals, they were far more concerned with all the politically incorrect things he said in the interview than what their president has actually done over the last 1, 2, 5, 10, 30 years. Ventura's real mistake was bashing religion, which promptly cost him 25% in popularity in MN. An e-mail to Limbaugh Weds noted that the democrats were having a great time piling on to Ventura and wondered if their strategy was to thoroughly trash his reputation so that he would no longer be a viable candidate for the Reform nomination, making it easier for Buchannan to get the nomination, split the conservative vote and elect algore next year. 7. Tax Breaks. The SCOTUS also fired a shot across the bow of educrats everywhere by refusing to hear an Arizona case on tax breaks for contributions to private schools. The ACLU separation of Church and State crowd decided that Arizona's law making contributions to private and parochial schools tax deductible was an unconstitutional violation of that separation. The Court disagreed. Limbaugh, Tues. 8. Cell Phones. The FAA announced the result of a 5 year investigation into the effects of cell phones and laptop computers on aircraft navigation systems. They were unable to measure any deviation in navigation equipment caused by cell phone transmissions or electromagnetic interference caused by firing up the laptop computers onboard. Airlines immediately denounced the results of the investigation. Critics of the airlines noted that they make $125 million per year via their exclusive agreement with AT&T and installed Airfones aboard commercial jets. CNN Headline News, Tues. More later - - AG Note: Interesting Items can be now be found on Rod Martin's "The Vanguard" Web site at www.theVanguard.org/gimarc/ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/richslick http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: No Time To Go Wobbly, George (fwd) Date: 12 Oct 1999 08:47:00 PST On Oct 11, Exegesis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Exegesis A Compass For Moral Excellence Published Worldwide From Washington http://www.sm.org/exegesis October 12, 1999 ________________________________________________ Have you read our daily online newspaper? We produce it just for you! PAGE 1 NEWS Real News from the Real World http://www.page1news.com ________________________________________________ ExTel =46act: Despite deregulation, 70% of Americans are paying too much for=20 their long-distance service! Are you one of them? Unitel: 5.9 cents a minute anywhere in the US. Your own toll-free=20 number for just 5.9=A2 a minute - and no monthly fees! http://unitelagent.com/?crosslink Opex: 7.5 cents a minute anywhere in the US, super-discounted=20 international and instate rates. 6 second billing, no monthly fees! http://ld.net/7.5/crosslink AccuLinq Calling Cards at 9.9 cents a minute http://ld.net/linq/?crosslink See our expanding range of wholesale services http://ld.net/?crosslink ________________________________________________ No Time To Go Wobbly, George "Look George, this is no time to go wobbly. We can't fall at the first fenc= e." Margaret Thatcher to President George Bush, August 1990 Just as reluctant conservatives were dipping a cautious toe into=20 George W. Bush's lukewarm pool of compassionate conservatism, he has=20 poured cold water on their hopes with two troubling speeches. =46irst, he made what can only be described as a dreary, disconnected=20 and lackluster speech to the Christian Coalition. His twenty minute=20 blather to almost four thousand Christian activists never used the=20 words 'God' or 'Jesus Christ'. This was not a promising start to the=20 courtship. Before he began his usual stump speech, he mumbled=20 something about being in favor of faith, but faith in what was never=20 specified. He's probably against road accidents and the common cold=20 too, but he sounded like a third-rate actor spitting out lines he=20 didn't write and didn't really believe. He was received with a mixture of polite applause and quiet despair.=20 Is that it, people wondered? That is our next president? As usual,=20 the television cameras were switched off before Alan Keyes spoke, but=20 he could teach GW a thing or two about oratory. Even Steve Forbes,=20 who bought everyone lunch the next day but has never been regarded as=20 an outstanding public speaker, achieved standing ovations and genuine=20 enthusiasm. He also has much to teach Mr. Bush. When Mr. Bush applauds "faith", he sounds vague and uncomfortably=20 close to the pernicious avoidance of Bill Clinton. If it was right=20 to condemn the murders of homosexual Matthew Shepard,=20 African-American James Byrd and a Filipino mail carrier, and the=20 attack on Jewish people at a California community center, as Mr.=20 Clinton did, why has he remained virtually silent about the deaths of=20 Cassie Bernall and other Christian Columbine students, and the seven=20 people shot in a Fort Worth Church last month? Do the senseless=20 murders of born-again white Christians somehow not count as much?=20 According to Attorney-General Janet Reno, it is "too early" to label=20 the Fort Worth shootings "a hate crime", even though they were=20 clearly motivated by anti-Christian hatred. So why did Mr. Bush also remain silent about this at the Christian=20 Coalition? He should seize such perfect moments to defend the=20 Christian foundation of America as if his life depended upon it=20 because, politically-speaking, it does. It was no time to go wobbly,=20 George. Secondly, a few days later, Mr. Bush spoke at a Manhattan Institute=20 lunch in New York. Earlier in the day, he had attacked conservative=20 principles by quoting Bill Clinton, of all people, when he said=20 America "must not balance the budget on the backs of the poor". In=20 his lunch speech, he said: "Too often, on social issues, my party has=20 painted an image of America slouching toward Gomorrah. Of course=20 there are challenges to the character and compassion of our nation=20 =2E.. but many of our problems are yielding to good sense and strength=20 and idealism." Rightly or wrongly, many conservatives interpreted the speeches as=20 minimizing America's moral crisis and paying only lip service to that=20 much beleaguered special interest group: sincere, believing=20 Christians. Even Rush Limbaugh took him to task. America's moral=20 abdication is at the heart of all her problems, and on that subject,=20 this was no time to go wobbly either, George. Mr. Bush was also lambasted for his apparent disdain of Robert Bork's=20 seminal work "Slouching Towards Gomorrah". Some say he was just=20 being optimistic. Everyone wants to help the poor to help themselves=20 and there's always room for optimism, but his already faltering=20 credibility seems to have been dented by these speeches. They were=20 either ill-advised or designed to rid the Republican Party of=20 conservatives. However, for three years he has been the Establishment's choice, so=20 he will surely win the White House. But then what? Is=20 middle-of-the-road politics the prescription to cure America's ills?=20 On the contrary: America needs a conservative agenda, and step on it=20 please. Almost every shade of socialism has been tried, from the hot=20 pink of Bill Clinton to the deep red of FDR and Lyndon Johnson. They=20 have all failed. The only kind of government America has not tried=20 since Teddy Roosevelt is a minimal, conservative one. So what would a conservative government be like? Let me illustrate.=20 Instead of measuring how badly government has failed, it would be=20 refreshing to measure savings and improvements by abolishing=20 government functions, retaining only small, efficient versions of=20 those which are desperately needed. Public education would be=20 abolished. There is little point in tinkering with a system which is=20 expensive, unconstitutional, unchristian, and grossly inefficient.=20 Abolition is the only cure. Christian parents have no business=20 placing their children in public schools. This most important=20 function of parenting cannot be delegated to government employees, no=20 matter how dedicated they may be or how bright the children may be.=20 Teaching should be done at home. Consequently, the Department of=20 Education would be abolished too, along with the Departments of=20 Commerce and Trade, and hundreds of other agencies. The cost of government would be slashed. As a result, income tax and=20 the IRS could be abolished, and if necessary, partially replaced with=20 a national sales tax, which would encourage saving and thrift rather=20 than spending. And there's a moral dimension too. Liberals bleat about separating=20 religion from the state. Does that also apply to government funding=20 for grossly indecent works of art which insult the Christian faith?=20 If elephant dung had been smeared all over a painting of a Star of=20 David or of Martin Luther King instead of the Virgin Mary, do you=20 imagine for one moment that public funding for the Arts would have=20 survived the week? That's the kind of domestic agenda George W. Bush=20 should be advancing. And how about foreign policy? Look at the reverse of a dollar bill.=20 Under the pyramid on The Great Seal, you'll see the words "Novus Ordo=20 Seclorum" - New World Order. GW's Dad was very keen on it, but he=20 says unconvincingly that he's not part of the Elite, though his=20 advisors, who include George Schultz, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, sure=20 look like NWO fans. Will he be strong enough to resist those who act=20 as if they, not God, are running the universe? Or will he go wobbly=20 on foreign policy too? Mr. Bush will have to move swiftly to reassure disillusioned=20 conservatives that he prefers limited, constitutional government in a=20 sovereign nation rather than a worldwide government run by a group of=20 corrupt businessmen, politicians and bureaucrats with swollen egos. The Republican Party generally must stop sounding like willing=20 accomplices in the advancement of Satan's counterfeit kingdom on=20 earth and start addressing decent, hard-working, God-fearing=20 families. Of course, Mr. Bush's NWO friends can easily ensure his=20 victory via their control of the voting system. While I was in New=20 York this week, I visited Voters News Service, the media-owned=20 company which counts votes in all national and statewide elections:=20 I have no remaining doubts about their role. Furthermore, Pat=20 Buchanan and Howard Phillips would be glad to have the votes of=20 conservatives who believe that, in the words of Dr. James Dobson, a=20 vote of conscience is never wasted. The Republicans should take=20 nothing for granted. Not everyone is resigned to America's terminal=20 decline. Not everyone has gone wobbly. It isn't that George W. Bush wants to see a national decline, but=20 after the demonic possession of the White House for seven years, many=20 will need to be convinced of just how different GW is. His advisors=20 seem to share Bill Clinton's foible of being strong on money-raising=20 and strategic devices, and weak on sincerity and the constitution.=20 It's time for him to take the opportunity to tell us where he stands=20 with God, the New World Order, and on every issue that concerns=20 Christians. Gone are the days when ignorance could be the shield of politicians.=20 The Internet has brought much more knowledge than anyone dreamed=20 possible in the pre-Clinton days. Therefore, the 2000 election=20 cannot be run as if it were 1992. Mr. Bush needs to realize that.=20 He deserves an opportunity to talk about his positions, and he should=20 take it sooner rather than later. There's a final reason why Mr. Bush shouldn't go wobbly. The=20 purveyors of the New World Order seem to have forgotten that=20 Christians are no longer willing to be insulted, marginalized and=20 degraded, and have at their disposal a weapon far more powerful than=20 anything they can produce: humble, sincere prayer. The only thing that puzzles me is why we don't use it more often.=20 It's time to stop being nice to Satan and his disciples "because the=20 One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world." (1=20 John 4:4) So why wait? We must be battle ready, pure and faithful.=20 Now, shall we pray? =87 Steve Myers =D7 Editor ____________________________________________________________________ Have you read our daily online newspaper? We produce it just for you! 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: The Left's war against America Date: 12 Oct 1999 11:18:02 -0500 (CDT) --------- Forwarded message ---------- The New Australian The Left's war against America By James Henry No. 137, 11 - 17 October 1999 Few people appreciate the power of ideas. When they experience the social and economic effects of intellectually inspired long-term trends, many tend to ascribe the process to a conspiracy of some kind. (If only that were so). More than 160 years ago J. S. Mill wrote of how the ideas of a few writers can eventually influence the thinking of a nation's intellectuals. Keynes made a similar point when he wrote: "Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back. I am sure that the power of vested interests is vastly exaggerated compared with the gradual encroachment of ideas. Not, indeed, immediately, but after a certain interval. . . . But, sooner or later, it is ideas, not vested interests, which are dangerous for good or evil."=20 The strength of the Left has, in my opinion, always lain in its understanding of the power of ideas. With few exceptions the so-called right has tended to treat ideas with disdain, preferring to concentrate on traditional values, as if these were independent of ideas. This gross error by conservative forces allowed Leftist ideas to capture the media, universities, much of the school system and the entertainment industry, especially Hollywood. In a sense, its greatest triumph was in giving America the most corrupt administration in the nation's history.=20 Once a nation's so-called elites begin to think alike, regardless of the content of their ideas, they will tend to direct the nation along a path that accords with their view of the world. Once we understand this fact, even the most incredibly stupid statements will make sense. Let take as an example Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott's publicly expressed view that the United States might not exist in its current form in the 21st Century because he believes that nationhood will have become obsolete. (A view not shared by the Russian, Polish, Chinese, Japanese and Korean governments, just to name a few).=20 Ordinarily, anyone with Talbott's views would not have found a position in a responsible and intellectually sound administration. But this is the sensitive '90s and Bill 'I-feel-your-pain' Clinton lounges about in the Oval Office. It took a Chinese columnist, Peter Zhang, to cleverly sum up the situation with the observation that America is being run by the "Arkansas Hick and his merry band of '60s dipsticks with their fairyfloss intellects and LSD-coloured view of the world [who] continue to pursue policies that puts the United States mainland at considerable risk."=20 And the '60s is the key. The likes of Talbott and the Clintons have their intellectual roots in the left-wing ideas that swept through American universities in the '60s. The malevolent fruits of that intellectual plague captured the humanity faculties and after 30 years of relentless Leftist indoctrination succeeded in thoroughly polluting the nation's intellectual environment. The products of this intellectual pestilence now dominate the media and much of the legal profession, including the judiciary; our schools have been contaminated to an extraordinary degree as has the entertainment industry. Even corporate boardrooms have succumbed to this poisonous brew.=20 The basis of this ideology is a pathological hatred of America.=20 Understanding this fact makes us realise that Talbott, a former journalist and college roommate of Clinton, is not really calling for the a world government but the destruction of the USA, an oppressive, exploitative and racist society. These were the ideas they absorbed during their college days and they have never renounced them. This is the principle reason why Talbott and the rest of Clinton's "merry band of '60s dipsticks with their fairyfloss intellects" are so light on China1. It's really all America's fault, meaning "white America". This lot are so riddled with shame and guilt they are prepared to sacrifice America's interests in order to atone for her alleged sins while exculpating their own.=20 Talbott is an interesting example of the political decay and hypocrisy of America's self-anointed political elites. He shared the radicals' enthusiasm for the 'peace movement' and their doctrine of 'moral equivalence' that not only equated America's faults with the totalitarian Soviet Union's atrocities but which also accused Reagan of being provocative but never the Soviets. Talbott's ridiculous assertion in Time that the collapse of communism proved the peace movement had been all along served to demonstrate that this ideological moron is congenitally incapable of learning the lessons of history. The trillions of dollars the US had spent on holding Soviet barbarism at bay were, according to Talbott, a complete waste of resources. That Reagan's defence push finally precipitated the Soviet collapse does not even register with Talbott. No wonder State Department veterans treat Talbott and the rest of Clinton's Leftist trendoids with contempt.=20 The Washington-based Institute of Policies studies has been at the brain center of the Left's war against America. Established in 1963 by Richard Barnet and Marcus Raskin (both former government bureaucrats) and funded by the Rubin Foundation (Rubin was a thief, a Soviet agent and a member of Stalin's Comintern). The IPS is a phony educational organisation, registered with the IRS as a 501 (c)(3) organisation, that has waged a relentless war against this country, supporting its enemies abroad, including Hanoi, the Sandinistas, Castro, the defunct Soviet Empire, etc, and giving aid to its enemies at home. According Raskin the US deliberately started the Cold War as part of its plan to "reach for the brass ring: world hegemony."=20 The insidious and destructive influence of the IPS pervades the media and now reaches into the Oval Office, with Clinton giving appointments to IPS luminaries like Derek Shearer, Anthony Lake and Morton Halperin, a former Kissinger aid and a character witness for Philip Agee, traitor and KGB agent. Incidentally, Agee was strongly connected to the IPS. These people are not even the tip of the IPS iceberg, hundreds of people with IPS links are now operating =97 or should I say maggoting away =97 through government agencies and departments. To these ideologues America is the real enemy.=20 Harvard's W.E.B. DuBois Institute provides a graphic example of the degree to which the Left has corrupted our universities, turning them from centers of learning to centers for hating. The Institute encouraged Noel Ignatiev to launch "whiteness studies," the absurd basis of which is that "whiteness" is a "social construct that is oppressive and must be abolished." Far from being amusing, disciples of this racist left-wing cult produce a magazine called Race Traitor. To this crowd to be white is a social cancer that has to be removed by violence. If you think there is not much to choose between these left-wing fanatics and Nazi's, you'd be right.=20 That these ideological thugs are preaching race hate and inciting racial violence seems to meet with the approval of the Harvard faculty and other universities, the mainstream media and most of America's publishing houses. Why? Because they too are infected with the self-hating leftist ideology of the '60s. It should be patently clear that their ultimate aim is the destruction of America. It is their ideology that drove prayer from our schools and devastated educational standards; it is the same ideology that foisted multiculturalism on us and damns its critics as racists; this is the ideology that is subverting our cultural heritage by indoctrinating our children with a hostile view of their history and culture.=20 The Left's malicious nihilism is impacting on every aspect of the nation's culture. The almost farcical response of Clinton to the discovery of Kennewick Man is a sickening example of the pervasiveness of the Left's ideology and its contempt for scientific truth. Kennewick Man is thought not only to be more than 9.000 years old but of Caucasian origin. If this is true, then a momentous scientific and cultural discovery has been made. But such a discovery does not fit the Left's ideological view of the US. In keeping with this view, Clinton ordered the site destroyed and the bones vandalised in the hope of destroying any possibility of determining the remains racial origins. This is a calculated Orwellian attempt by the Left, through Clinton, to try and control the present, and hence the future, by destroying historical evidence. There is no clearer evidence of the Left's power, influence and malice, especially in the media.=20 The Left's campaign is not a culture war but a war against a culture by creatures who have nothing to offer but hate and loathing. These ideologues and their media allies are the real enemy. These are ones who have to be confronted and defeated.=20 Clinton's venality and moral turpitude should not blind anyone to his Leftist beliefs.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Thismailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@admin.listbox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Jeff Cooper's Commentaries - Aug/99 (2/2) (fwd) Date: 12 Oct 1999 18:24:32 PST On Oct 12, Barry Needham wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] We note from perusing the gun magazines that a great many people do not understand the technique of the telescope sight. This applies mostly to the rapid use of the weapon, since even the ignorant can use a telescope from a bench rest. The correct system requires the mounting of the piece so that when the butt hits the shoulder and the cheek hits the comb, the eye is automatically in line with the optical axis of the instrument. You do not hunt around, you practice until when you mount the piece with both eyes shut, you open them to find yourself right on target. This calls for a little practice, but it is not mysterious nor difficult. When you understand it, you can hit that flying clay bird, or, more dramatically, the wishbone of that charging leopard. It is true that snapshooting is the exception rather than the rule in the field, but it is very comforting, as with a seat belt or a life jacket. You do not need it often, but when you need it, you really need it. * * * The new regime in Africa has now passed a law to the effect that you cannot leave your rifle with your professional hunter without elaborate red tape in both the U.S. and Africa. There is no good reason for this, of course -- it is pure spite. One of the nice things a satisfied client could do previously was to leave his piece with his PH as a gesture of appreciation. The life of a PH is hard. Apparently the new revolutionary government simply wants to make it harder. * * * In a recent news report some correspondent from the other side suggested that something should be done about the sale of "high capacity ammunition." I guess he was referring to that new 300 Remington "Ultra Magnum". * * * I am not usually enthusiastic about Russian ideas, but the people at Baikal have now come up with something which actually fills a niche. They have produced a "bug shooter," which is a BB gun which looks exactly like a Makarov pocket pistol. It shoots BBs using a CO2 cylinder as propellant. For people who are troubled with scorpions, centipedes, wooly worms, and such, this should be just the ticket. (I once resorted to my 1911 for wasp defense in a quonset hut on Saipan, but those were different times, and that was a different place.) * * * Family member Bill O'Connor reports that he was hassled recently at the Philadelphia Airport because his pocketknife had a serrated edge. Apparently carrying a knife with a serrated edge is politically incorrect in the City of Brotherly Love. The aparatchik at the gate promised to mail the knife to him at a later date, but as you might suppose it has not showed up yet. Somehow it appears quaint to attempt to hijack an airliner with a pocketknife, but then a lot of things appear quaint in the Age of the Wimp. * * * Just as a good many people illustrated in the magazines do not understand the proper use of the telescope, a good many more do not understand the use of the shooting sling. I trust that all the faithful understand fully that a rifle sling is more than simply a carrying strap. The loop sling, properly used. increases your hitability in slow-fire situations by about 33 percent -- or such is my experience. I was taught it in high school ROTC and benefitted from it on half-a-dozen big game hunts. I assume that all family members understand fully about the shooting sling. I guess that makes us a somewhat exclusive club. * * * I have needled the factory now a couple of times about the forthcoming 376 Steyr cartridge, so far without results. I have shot it, and I like it, but where is it? Stay tuned. * * * We learn that three Americans met with bush disaster just last month in Africa. In the first instance, the sportsman thought to dangle his arm over the side of a mocorro on Lake Kariba. Something grabbed it. The owner is missing and presumed dead. In the second instance, a female hunter took the notion to take a pleasant evening walk outside the compound, despite being told vigorously that she was not to do this. She was taken by a hyena, but at last report, she was expected to live, though terribly disfigured. As you know, the hyena goes for the face. (Do we detect an element of feisty feminism here? Or the basic lack of discipline of the flower children?) Third case was a wounded leopard followed into high grass in a column of three, tracker in front, PH in the middle, client in the rear. The leopard hit from astern. Here again, the sportsman is expected to live. As our late good friend Peter Capstick said, "In Africa, everything bites." * * * Not long ago some citizen was busted for carrying a concealed weapon in Arizona because he was carrying it on the side away from the cop. I do not think they can make that stick, but it is interesting that they should try. * * * Back in the Dark Ages when I was a mere tad, the top African trophies were called "The Big Four." These were elephant, buffalo, rhino, and lion. In the past decade or so people have been adding the leopard to this list, and referring to it as "The Big Five." I think this is a mistake. The leopard is certainly scratchy, but he is not big. The rhino is big, but besides being essentially unavailable today, he is too dimwitted to be dangerous. Personally I would place elephant, lion and buffalo in "The Big Three" and rhino, hippo and leopard in the second tier. The hippo is underrated as a trophy, but if he is easy in the water, he is a serious problem on land. You would not want his head mounted on the wall of your living room, but neither would you want to be bitten in half if you failed to stop his charge. * * * Recent cheerful accounts from the bushveld tell of an American high school graduate who got a brand new Steyr Scout for her birthday. She had most of her graduation pictures taken featuring the rifle, and then she went to Africa and secured four one-shot stops in a row. Now there is a rifle chick of consequence! * * * As you may know, Randy Garrett of Chehalis, Washington, has been making up what may be called "Plus P" loads for the excellent 45-70 cartridge for over ten years. They are about ideal for the great bears, and for lions, and they complement Jim West's "Co-pilot" to perfection. Now Randy has introduced a new 530-grain, super hardcast, "hammerhead" bullet, to be started at 1550 f/s for a Taylor KO rating of 54. It is designed to shoot clear through a buffalo at "charging range." Contact Randy Garrett, Garrett Cartridges, Inc., at Box 178, Chehalis, Washington, 98532. * * * "Good judgement comes from experience. Most experience comes from bad judgement." -- via Bill O'Connor * * * If you are curious about the veracity of the profusion of rumors of organizational changes at Gunsite, we can only paraphrase Winston Churchill: "They are all true, or they ought to be, and more and better besides." * * * The more I work with rifles, the less I am concerned about the speed of the second shot. Certainly a self-loading rifle offers you that second shot faster than any mechanically operated repeater, but just how important is this? When a rifle of any considerable power fires, it recoils, moving rearward and upward, together with the shooter. On that rearward motion, a skilled rifleman opens the bolt, ejecting the empty. As the rifle is brought back onto target, he closes the bolt, placing a new cartridge in the chamber. If he does this properly, his second shot, if it is well aimed, is so little slower than that offered by a self-loader that it is hard to measure and probably does not matter. The straight-pull is quicker than the bolt-action, as is the lever, but I cannot hypothesize a scenario in which that might count. When I pulled off that double on buffalo some years ago in Tamafuta, both my companions opined that it sounded as if I were using a self-loader -- and that with the long action of the ZKK 602. This is not to boast, but simply to point out that proper bolt work can be put to good advantage, assuming that a second shot is needed. On the lion I shot four times, but I need not have, as the beast was terminated with the first shot. All the experts, including our good friend Ross Seyfried, told me that with a lion you keep shooting, no matter what you think you did with your first round. So I did. But a self-loading rifle would have made no difference. This matter was called to my attention in connection with the slick action of the Blaser R93. The 93 is a superb weapon, but among its various excellent features speed of the second shot rates about number six in importance. The best thing about the Blaser is its revolutionary trigger-action, which has no sear. And the second most important thing is the fact that you can turn it into a left-hander by simply slipping in a left-handed bolt. Yes, you can fire two well-aimed shots from the Blaser 93 a bit more quickly than you can with any turn-bolt rifle, but let us not be bemused by PII (preoccupation with inconsequential increments). * * * Our good friend Hans Edelmaier of Salzburg has asked me to do a feature on the employment of the Spanish sword in the conquest of the New World. I look forward to this effort with pleasure. I know something about the sword, and something about the Spanish sword, and something about the conquest of the New World, having done a research paper on that subject in graduate school. So I will get to work and put this together just to see how it comes out in German. * * * We must avoid the error of thinking of people as members of groups rather than as individuals. This is a manifestation of mental laziness. It is called "groupthink" and it has been the curse of the twentieth century, and long before. * * * Meanwhile, keep your focus on that frontsight, and surprise yourself when the hammer falls. * * * Please Note: These "Commentaries" are for personal use only. Not for publication. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBOANc3qNvVgasqrT0EQJVEwCfYFI4hg59HD8KJO25Q0ATBshxj0wAn0tK mjJNp3FTERCOA2qEPeYNFjws =vfw9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Barry Needham barry@needham.vip.best.com Pager: 1-888-530-5814 PGP 5.0 key available on request barryn_p@pager.sgi.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 2 Time Polls (fwd) Date: 13 Oct 1999 08:47:59 PST On Oct 13, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] These may have already appeared in this space, but I couldn't recall, so here we go: http://www.pathfinder.com/time/daily/poll/0,2637,gunliability,00.html Should local and state governments and individual citizens be allowed to sue gun manufacturers for damages related to crimes in which firearms are used? No: 86 % Yes: 10 % D K: 3% http://www.pathfinder.com/time/daily/poll/0,2637,guncontrol,00.html 1. Should the U.S. have stricter gun control laws? 70% - 28 % against stricter laws 2. How would you rate the effectiveness of the Brady Bill and the assault-weapons ban in preventing the illegal use and distribution of guns? 74 % somewhat ineffective or not at all effective Bob Mueller [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Julius Clinto Crosses the Rubicon--excuse me, Atlantic! (fwd) Date: 13 Oct 1999 10:19:54 PST On Oct 13, Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Everyone: It has happened! Guillermus Julius Clinto Jeffersoniens--excuse me, William Jefferson Clinton, who continues to emulate Gaius Julius Caesar--has just gone Caesar one better. He has just emasculated the Posse Comitatus Act big-time, by establishing a military command with power to deploy troops _on American soil_ in aid of American _civil law enforcement._ And this without actually declaring martial law. It is as if that pioneer of _coups d'etat_, Caesar, had been appointed Dictator of Rome without having had to lead a legion of troops across the Rubicon River, in violation of his proconsular charter, in the year of the consulship of Gaius Claudius Marcellus Minor and Lucius Aemilius Lentulus Crus (49 BC). Read for yourselves the WorldNetDaily exclusive from their newly-appointed staff writer, Jon E. Dougherty. And if you don't credit this, follow this link: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/19991013_xnjdo_new_milita.shtml New military unit for domestic deployment Cohen says Americans should 'welcome' troops on home soil ---- By Jon E. Dougherty © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Critics are denouncing recent congressional changes to the Posse Comitatus Act that will allow a broader use of U.S. military forces in a domestic law enforcement role including a new unit for deployment in assisting civilian officers during a terrorist attack. The new command, established Oct. 7 in Norfolk, Va., will be called the U.S. Joint Forces Command, and replaces the former U.S. Atlantic Command. At a ceremony commemorating the new unit, Defense Secretary William Cohen told participants the American people shouldn't fear the potential of seeing U.S. military forces on the streets of U.S. cities. The military must "deal with the threats we are most likely to face," Cohen told reporters, downplaying concerns about troops operating on home soil. "The American people should not be concerned about it. They should welcome it." The new command is designed to prepare U.S. troops to fight abroad or to respond if terrorists strike with nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. In opposing the measure, critics cite the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits federal troops from participating in domestic law enforcement activities under most circumstances. With the concern over domestic terrorism rising since the World Trade Center bombing and numerous incidences of cyber-attacks on U.S. defense and financial institutions, the Clinton administration has begun to relax some of those restrictions. In July, WorldNetDaily reported the new measures would end the requirement for local law agencies to reimburse the federal government for any local use of military equipment, as well as enable the Department of Defense to deploy military troops in cases of anticipated or actual terrorist attacks. Then, David Kopel of the Independence Institute warned that the measures would, if passed, "set (bad) precedents for years to come." Since the Waco debacle in 1993, when federal law officers and military personnel assaulted a church community resulting in the deaths of over 80 men, women and children, Kopel said the federal government has been "eroding the protections contained in the Posse Comitatus Act." In the past, he told WorldNetDaily, most of the amendments to the original law had been based on bogus drug issues. Now, he said, that issue seems to have shifted to so-called terrorist attacks, or at least the threat of them. The Defense Department has said only the military has enough equipment to operate in a poisoned environment, or to manage a massive decontamination effort. Secretary Cohen told reporters last week that federal law will not be violated because the military would only respond if requested. "It is subordinate to civilian control," he said. But Gregory Nojeim, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington, D.C., told WorldNetDaily he is concerned about "nightmare scenarios" like those in the recent films, "Enemy of the State" and "The Siege." "Soldiers are not equipped, by training or temperament, to enforce the laws with proper regard for civil and constitutional rights," he said. "They're trained to kill the enemy." Nojeim said the ACLU is concerned about "letting loose the most effective fighting force in the history of the world" on American civilians. Cohen said that the creation of the Joint Forces Command would better coordinate the training of the four armed services. However, history is replete with reasons why some Americans continue to be hesitant about using military troops in a law enforcement capacity. Besides questions about the Army's Delta Force role during the Waco siege, most recently, in 1997, U.S. Marines assigned to assist the U.S. Border Patrol in combating illegal immigration accidentally shot and killed an 18-year-old goat herder. That force has since been withdrawn and reassigned, but lawmakers have remained committed to expanding the military's civil law enforcement role in other ways. For example, the military also has been given an expanded role in defending against cyber-terrorism, or assaults on U.S. computer systems. The U.S. Space Command in Colorado will be leading that effort. Nojeim questioned the need for such an expansion of federal military forces into the domestic law enforcement arena, even though U.S. officials have said the nation is now at greater risk of terrorist attack. He also believes the White House should do a better job of educating the American people about why the changes to the Posse Comitatus law are needed. "For years the federal government has showered the FBI with hundreds of millions of new dollars to help it combat crimes involving chemical and biological weapons," he told WorldNetDaily. "Taxpayers need to know where that money has gone and why the president now wants to call in the troops." Addressing the long-term ramifications of the change in military law enforcement policy, Nojeim said, "When the crisis hits, those with the biggest guns will be subordinate to no one." Let me give you some perspective: The Roman Republic originally had a mechanism to deal with society-threatening domestic and international crises: the Senate appointed a special plenipotentiary magistrate, who carred the title of "Dictator" and had the power to order summary execution within Rome's _pomerium_, or city limits (which were held sacred, BTW), and also to raise and station an army within Rome or Italy or wherever he felt the situation demanded. The most famous of Rome's early Dictators is, of course, Cincinnatus--who, after walloping the particular enemy that troubled Rome's peace at the time, laid down his _imperium_--that special kind of authority which said that its possessor could do no wrong unless the Senate removed him--and went back to being a country squire. With that background, consider the Dictatorship of Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. Sulla specifically came to Dictatorial power in Rome by leading an army, which he had just used to good effect against King Mithridates of Pontus, against Rome itself. Not wanting anyone else to emulate him, Sulla specifically amended the Constitution (_mos majorum_) to state categorically that _any provincial governor who led his army out of his province and into Italy itself would be guilty of treason._ But Sulla underestimated Caesar--even though he had actually met Caesar and had observed, "In that young man I see many Marii," referring to Gaius Marius, under whom Sulla had once served and whom everyone knew to be Sulla's predecessor as First Man in Rome. Caesar--who had had Marius as a tutor in military science before ever he held a sword--essentially raised an army and paid for it out of his own purse. This was a fat purse he built by securing a massive tribute from King Ptolemy the Fluty-Voiced of Egypt, and pocketing the proceeds. The Senate of Rome waited too long to clip Caesar's wings--long enough, in fact, for Caesar to conquer and pacify an additional Roman province (Gallia Comata, literally "Gaul of the Longhairs, or modern France) and to make it work for him. And when they finally declared a national emergency, and tried to arrest Caesar's tame tribune-of-the-plebs, Mark Antony, Caesar had the perfect excuse--not in any legal sense, but rather in the court of public opinion, a court where he had always--always--prevailed whenever he had "tried" himself before it. Caesar led just one single legion, or regiment, across the Rubicon, and with that one legion managed to secure all of Italy. And within months of doing that, Caesar wrung from the rump Senate that remained in Rome the title of Dictator. Though he laid that title aside when the Centuriate Assembly elected him senior consul for the second time, his future was secure--and the Republic was doomed--from that moment on. Now come back to the present. I have suspected ever since this Kosovo affair broke out, that Clinton was getting troops into position to "cross the Atlantic" the way Caesar crossed the Rubicon. Now, behold! A "Joint Command" with authority to deploy troops in an American city? As if the cities cannot learn how to defend themselves against a chemical or biological warfare attack? Do you understand now why I advocated the specific amendment of our Constitution to _forbid_ the President to declare national emergencies, and to permit _only the Congress_ to do such a thing, and that by a _two-thirds vote of the full membership of both Houses?_ The stage is now set. Forget Barbara Olson's dire prophecy about Hillary Clinton running to be President in 2005. We have a mechanism in place to usher in the Emperorship of William the First! Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Abortion (fwd) Date: 13 Oct 1999 10:21:51 PST On Oct 13, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I've never considered myself a single issue voter, but I've often had to remind myself of that before casting a vote for a Liberal Party candidate. (I'm referring to their anti-drug law stance.) Now I found out that drugs isn't their only hot button albeit one that I agree with. See below. Rich Martin Editor of Slick Fwd message > >Libertarians for Life was formed in 1976 to show why abortion is >not a right but an injustice. LFL's reasoning is expressly scientific and >philosophical rather than religious or pragmatic. As a political and a >social philosophy, libertarianism has one basic principle: each of us owes >everyone else not to commit aggression -- we may never initiate (unjust) >force against others for any reason, personal, social, or political, however >worthy. It follows from this non-aggression principle that everyone has the >right to control his or her own body -- but not in a way that inflicts harm >on anyone else without their consent. In explaining the libertarian case >against abortion, LFL focuses on 1) why we are human beings, persons with >unalienable rights from conception (fertilization); 2) why parents owe >their immature children, born and preborn, support and protection from harm; >and 3) why a just legal system must recognize that our lives and our >unalienable rights, including the right to life, co-exist from >fertilization. > >The IJSSP articles are listed below in the order they appear in the issue: > >*- Introduction, by Doris Gordon > >- Libertarianism is Pro-Life: An Introduction, by Bruce Earnheart > >- Being Pro-Life Is Necessary to Defend Liberty, by Ron Paul > >*- How I Became Pro-Life: Remarks on Abortion, Parental Obligation, and the >Draft, by Doris Gordon > >- When Does the Human Being Begin? "Scientific" Myths and Scientific Facts, >by Dianne N. Irving > >- A False Assumption, by Edwin Vieira, Jr. > >- Abortion and the Question of the Person, by John Walker > >*- Power and Act: Notes Towards Engaging in a Discussion of One of the >Underlying Questions in the Abortion Debate, by John Walker > >- Why Parental Obligation?, by John Walker > >- Abortion in the Case of Pregnancy Due to Rape, by John Walker > >- What Do Abortion Choicers Mean When They Tell Us: "Let's Get the >Government Out of Our Lives"?, by Doris Gordon > >- Fetal Rights: Enforceable in Principle: A response to "Fetal Rights: The >Implication of a Supposed Ought" by Tibor R. Machan, by Edwin Vieira, Jr. > >- Abortion and Thomson's Violinist: Unplugging a Bad Analogy, by Doris >Gordon > >*- Abortion and Rights: Applying Libertarian Principles Correctly, by Doris >Gordon > >I have not yet been able to find out whether nonsubscriber copies will be >purchasable through the publisher. However, LFL has a limited number >available as a fundraiser. A copy may be obtained for a donation of $25.00 >or more. (LFL is not tax exempt.) > >Most of the articles are also available on LFL's Web site. Changes were made >in some for the IJSSP. > >To order a copy of the IJSSP or for further information, please contact: > >Doris Gordon >Libertarians for Life 13424 Hathaway Drive >Wheaton, MD 20906 >Telephone: 301-460-4141 >FAX: 301-871-8552 >LFL's Web site: http://www.L4L.org >libertarian@erols.com To join the Waco discussion group, Click here ----> waco-gro up-subscribe@egroups.com To join the Slick discussion group, Click here ----> slick-d-sub scribe@egroups.com and read what others are saying about these issues. FREE To join the SlickPlus internet group, Click here ----> SlickPlus-Subscribe@egroups.com and receive free e-mails from others about the same topics. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Subject: Re: 2 Time Polls (fwd) Date: 13 Oct 1999 12:38:22 -0700 Bill Vance wrote: > > On Oct 13, Bob Mueller wrote: > Should [snip- local and state governments and - snip] individual citizens > be allowed to sue > gun manufacturers for damages related to crimes in which firearms are used? Small point perhaps, but the question here get to me. What is this business about 'allowing' (or not allowing) lawsuits by individual citizens. They can sue anybody they like for anything they like and I wouldn't want it any other way - certainly no laws prohibiting it. If their suits are frivolous or weak, they'll pay a dear price for it in lawyer and court fees, but that's got to be a matter of individual choice, not laws exempting certain special interests (like HMOs or gun manufacturers) from private suits. FWIW. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Bush (Sr) still (Red) China Hand? Date: 15 Oct 1999 21:35:07 -0500 << http://online.hkstandard.com/today/default.asp?PageType=ach2 >>> (15 Oct 1999) Hong Kong Standard TIGERNET Saturday Bush calls for end to bashing STORY: FORMER US President George Bush has called for ``active engagement'' between the United States and the mainland, and urged Beijing and Taiwan to pursue a peaceful bilateral solution to their dispute. ``We should bash each other less and consult more,'' Mr Bush said at a business forum in Hong Kong yesterday. It may be too early to label the mainland a ``strategic partner'' of the US, but ``it's ridiculous to label China a new enemy'', he said, referring to virulent criticism of Beijing from some American quarters. Sino-US relations have been strained in recent months by the Nato bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in May, differences over Beijing's bid to enter the World Trade Organisation and friction over Taiwan. Allegations of mainland spying at US nuclear laboratories also contributed to the strains, which presidents Bill Clinton and Jiang Zemin tried to ease with a summit on the fringes of a Pacific Rim summit last month. Mr Bush said both Washington and Beijing should ``show vision'' in building closer ties into the next century, suggesting a policy of ``active engagement'' to ensure their relations remained on track. ... The former president said the next occupant of the White House should ensure the US stayed involved with the mainland and make it clear to Beijing that ``we are not in this policy of containment'' of China. The next administration should also convince the mainland that Washington did not seek ``any American leadership in Asia''. . . . He described as an ``embarrassment' the annual US Congressional debate and vote on extending the Normal Trading Relations status, previously known as the Most Favoured Nation status, to the mainland. . . . Any US effort to mediate in a cross-straits dialogue would be ``totally counter-productive'', he warned, saying it was up to negotiators from both sides of the strait to settle the tensions. - AFP The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: New GOA alerts Date: 16 Oct 1999 12:32:24 -0500 A quick heads up. Saving email bandwidth/storage by giving only URLs www.goa.org specifically: Of UPS, Lawsuits, And Congress http://www.gunowners.org/a101599.htm How You Can Fight Back Against the UPS Handgun "Tax" and Anti-gun "Compromise" Expected http://www.gunowners.org/a101399.htm Gun Control Moving Again on Capitol Hill -- Gun shows still on the chopping block The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Followup on ExecutiveOrders.org site (fwd) Date: 16 Oct 1999 11:30:12 PST On Oct 15, Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Everyone: Yesterday, I sent the list a "pass-along" message concerning a new, dedicated Web site aimed at raising public awareness and consciousness regarding Presidential Executive Orders (EO's) and Decision Directives (PDD's), and a new proposed bill to curtail them, repeal existing National Emergencies, and give standing to _sue_ the President if he tries it again. Here is the text of the proposed legislation: HR 2655 106th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 2655 To restore the separation of powers between the Congress and the President. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES July 30, 1999 Mr. PAUL (for himself and Mr. METCALF) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations, and in addition to the Committees on the Judiciary, and Rules, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned ---- A BILL To restore the separation of powers between the Congress and the President. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Separation of Powers Restoration Act'. SEC. 2. FINDINGS. Congress finds the following: (1) As a limit on governmental power, Constitutional framers vested Federal powers in three coequal branches of government, each with unique and limited powers and each with a coequal duty to uphold and sustain the Constitution of the United States. (2) A Supreme Court justice stated, `The doctrine of the separation of powers was adopted by the convention of 1787 not to promote efficiency but to preclude the exercise of arbitrary power. The purpose was not to avoid friction, but, by means of the inevitable friction incident to the distribution of the governmental powers among three departments, to save the people from autocracy.' Myers v. United States, 272 U.S. 52, 293 (1926) (Brandeis, J., dissenting). (3) James Madison, quoting Montesquieu, stated in Federalist 47, `There can be no liberty where the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or body of magistrates.' (4) Article I of the Constitution provides, `All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States.' (5) A congressional committee print has noted that, `[b]ecause the President has no power or authority over individual citizens and their rights except where he is granted such power and authority by a provision in the Constitution or by statute, the President's proclamations are not legally binding and are at best hortatory unless based on such grants of authority.' 85th Cong., 1st Sess., Executive Orders and Proclamations: A Study of a Use of Presidential Powers (Comm. Print 1957). (6) The Supreme Court has stated that, even if Presidents have, without congressional authority, taken actions only the Congress may take, `Congress has not thereby lost its exclusive constitutional authority to make laws necessary and proper to carry out the powers vested by the Constitution `in the Government of the United States, or any Department of Officer thereof.' (Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952)). (7) Treaties or Executive Agreements which purport to assign powers not amongst those specifically granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution are non-binding and cannot constitute law. SEC. 3. SEPARATION OF POWERS RESTORING RESCISSIONS. (a) REPEAL OF WAR POWERS RESOLUTION- The War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1541 et seq.) is repealed. (b) TERMINATION OF STATES OF EMERGENCY- (1) IN GENERAL- All powers and authorities possessed by the President, any other officer or employee of the Federal Government, or any executive agency (as defined in section 105 of title 5) as a result of the existence of any declaration of national emergency in effect on the date of enactment of this Act are terminated 90 days after such date. Such termination shall not affect-- (A) any action taken or proceeding pending not finally concluded or determined on such date; (B) any action or proceeding based on any act committed prior to such date; or (C) any rights or duties that matured or penalties that were incurred prior to such date. (2) DEFINITION- For the purpose of this subsection, the term `national emergency' means a general declaration of emergency made by the President or any other officer or employee of the executive branch. (d) TERMINATION OF AUTHORITY TO DECLARE EMERGENCY- To the extent that any Act of Congress in effect on the date of enactment of this Act grants to the President or any other officer or employee of the executive branch the power to declare a national emergency, such power is hereby divested to the Congress alone. SEC. 4. REQUIREMENT OF STATEMENT OF AUTHORITY FOR PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS. (a) STATEMENT OF AUTHORITY- The President shall include with each Presidential order a statement of the specific statutory or constitutional provision which in fact grants the President the authority claimed for such action. (b) INVALIDITY OF NONCONFORMING ORDERS- A Presidential order which does not include the statement required by subsection (a) is invalid, to the extent such Presidential order is issued under authority granted by a congressional enactment. SEC. 5. EFFECT OF PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS. (a) LIMITED EFFECT OF PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS- A Presidential order neither constitutes nor has the force of law and is limited in its application and effect to the executive branch. (b) EXCEPTIONS- Subsection (a) does not apply to-- (1) a reprieve or pardon for an offense against the United States, except in cases of impeachment; (2) an order given to military personnel pursuant to duties specifically related to actions taken as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces; or (3) a Presidential order citing the specific congressional enactment relied upon for the authority exercised in such order and-- (A) issued pursuant to such authority; (B) commensurate with the limit imposed by the plain language of such authority; and (C) not issued pursuant to a ratified or unratified treaty or bilateral or multilateral agreement which-- (i) violates the ninth or tenth amendments to the Constitution; or (ii) makes a delegation of power to a foreign government or international body when no such delegating authority exists under the Constitution. SEC. 6. STANDING TO CHALLENGE PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS WHICH IMPACT SEPARATION OF POWERS INTEGRITY. The following persons may bring an action in an appropriate United States court to challenge the validity of any Presidential order which exceeds the power granted to the President by the relevant authorizing statute or the Constitution: (1) CONGRESS AND ITS MEMBERS- The House of Representatives, the Senate, any Senator, and any Representative to the House of Representatives, if the challenged Presidential order-- (A) infringes on any power of Congress; (B) exceeds any power granted by a congressional enactment; or (C) violates section 4 because it does not state the statutory authority which in fact grants the President the power claimed for the action taken in such Presidential order. (2) STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS- The highest governmental official of any State, commonwealth, district, territory, or possession of the United States, or any political subdivision thereof, or the designee of such person, if the challenged Presidential order infringes on the powers afforded to the States under the Constitution. (3) AGGRIEVED PERSONS- Any person aggrieved in a liberty or property interest adversely affected directly by the challenged Presidential order. SEC. 7. DEFINITION OF PRESIDENTIAL ORDER. In this Act, the term `Presidential order' means-- (1) any Executive order, Presidential proclamation, or Presidential directive; and (2) any other Presidential or Executive action by whatever name described purporting to have normative effect outside the executive branch which is issued under the authority of the President or any other officer or employee of the executive branch. -- Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: CNN Poll: .50 Caliber Rifles Date: 16 Oct 1999 18:22:01 -0700 CNN's web page is running a poll; should sales of the the .50 caliber rifle to the public be restricted? After all, it's a MILITARY rifle, right?. http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/15/cnn.time/ Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) -------------- http://www.gvn.net/~creative/ ---------------------- There is no such thing as "e-mail tracking software". Cell phones don't cause explosions in gas stations. Any e-mail that encourages you to "forward it to all your friends" is a hoax. Avoid falling prey to urban legends; check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.about.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #156 (2/2) (fwd) Date: 16 Oct 1999 20:31:54 PST On Oct 16, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] industry, of course. One of this nation's major industries is actually a business/government consortium funded, in part, by tax dollars. All of its standards are set by government. Much of its scheduling is controlled by government. And major parts of its facilities are owned by government. Yet, the corporations keep all the money they make. That would be the commercial airline industry, of course. Taxpayers pay for the airports. FAA sets all standards, but FAA is actually charged with promoting air travel and the commercial airline industry as much as regulating it. So, that industry gets all types of breaks that industries like trucking and busing do not get. For instance, the mandatory rest-per-duty cycle of truck drivers is set by law to provide significantly more rest for truck drivers than that of commercial airline pilots. That's because there is no special federal agency "promoting" the trucking industry, only regulating it. Nearly the same type of arrangement is enjoyed by the national media. The FCC controls and promotes broadcasting in this nation. Supposedly, we are to have a free press. And it is sort of free, unless you try to distribute your "news" over the airwaves. By law, the airwaves are protected for the use of a select few. Furthermore, "free press" only means that a reporter is free to write the type of "news" the boss wants delivered. That presents a palpable problem when just a few major corporations own almost all media outlets in the country. It is, therefore, just a handful of major business concerns who have a controlling influence on the news we see, hear and read. It stands to reason that these major corporations have licenses to protect. They also want to show a profit. Therefore, they contribute heavily to political campaigns and offer many other types of perks and considerations to politicians and bureaucrats who "play ball" with them while in office. And, of course, these major media corporations keep a large stable of well paid lobbyists in Washington. Therefore, there could be a reporter getting ready for that hot expose, confronting a politician or bureaucrat at the same time two of the parent corporation's lobbyists are promoting a favorable law or rule change. One hand washes the other. And so the hot story gets spiked by the editor, in favor of a tax break, or whatever. These are just a couple of the more obvious ways Washington works. All industries play the game. Individual taxpayers cannot get a tax break from Congress, but the Lords and Ladies of Capitol Hill regularly write bills that give wealthy industries and businesses huge breaks. Worse yet, they also are able to get laws, rules and regulations passed to benefit their bottom line -- even when these actions violate the rights of the American people. Anyone remember why we can't put Freon in our cars anymore? Hint: the patent coincidentally expired about the time the law banning Freon was passed. So, while capitalism has not given us totalitarianism, the amount of campaign and lobbying money floating around Washington is causing changes in that law that are adversely impacting on our individual rights. House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) reports that at least $8.4 billion is spent each year in Washington just to lobby the federal government. In fact, lobbying has become Washington, D.C.'s largest private sector employer. A whopping 67,062 people work in the lobbying industry. And, lobbying by multinational corporations and foreign governments is a major segment of that lobbying industry. http://flattax.house.gov/st-lobby.htm THREE YEARS = VACATION This issue, being issue #156, makes it three straight years for this publication -- with only two short vacations. Therefore, I am going to pull a "Congress." That is, even though there is more work to do than I can ever get to (dozens of important topics no one else is covering to write about), I will be taking a two week vacation. And, like Congress, my vacation will be a combination of work and fun; except that, unlike a Congress Critter, I will not be continually trying to collect money (campaign donations) for favors from everyone I meet. First, there happens to be an action/adventure/ political novel sitting here 80% completed that needs attention. That's the fun part of the vacation. The second part is the "work," which consists of some manual labor that needs to be completed around here before winter sets in. Oh, and I will also be looking for a literary agent willing to represent the novel and a nonfiction book. Part of the book proposal for the nonfiction book was rewritten slightly as the "State of the Union 1998" and is posted on the Internet. Work will proceed on that again around the first of the year. As always, according to the legal-eagles, I must relate that I have not expended one penny on this newsletter nor received one cent in payment for publication from any sector at any time. The newsletter will always remain free to subscribers who agree to send it to friends exactly as written. The books, however, will be an entirely different story (pun intended) and will be targeted to a well defined market. The business end of that will be handled 100% by professionals, "in a lawful manner," as they say. Primary distribution of the newsletter is handled by subscribers. That is, a few hundred people subscribe from me and pass it around. Therefore, we have absolutely no idea how many people read it every week. I do know, though, that it seems to be getting around rather well, and for that I sincerely thank those many subscribers. Because, really, if I had to take the time each week to maintain a large database, there would be little time left to do the research necessary to write something worth reading. Many quality newsletters have come and gone just because of the time constraints necessary to keep a subscriber database current. As many readers know, I try to answer all mail. Sometimes, though, newsletter mail comes in bunches of 50 to 100 a day. That presents a problem if I want to get any work done. Really, I do try to answer everyone, though. Generally speaking, this newsletter is not intended to break news but rather to present the news in a perspective that is different from the liberal media and with the addition of some background material they often either miss or choose to not report. Therefore, we do not intend to be in competition with any major media outlet. In fact, on the few occasions that we actually broke a story first, it was only because we had been sitting on the information for some time and knew first hand that major news outlets were, too. Actually, I sometimes get a little antsy when important background material does not make the news. So, when I do not want to use the material for some reason, I will send the whole file to a professional journalist who will. And recently that has started to become a reciprocal arrangement, in that I have received great material from newsmakers and reporters who were actually on the scene as things happened. On the other hand, we watch what does not happen, too. For instance, Clinton held a press conference last week. Not one so called "journalist" dared ask a question about China or Russia arming, illegal campaign funds from China -- or the FBI admitting there was (is) a Justice Department cover up -- or the new Waco revelations and that continuing cover up. Nor would any Washington "journalist" ever ask (or even indicate) why all embarrassing and criminal information about government is always classified under national security. Either many of them just do not care about the truth or they truly fear this administration. Jeff in Michigan (http://militia.gen.mi.us/headsup.html) no longer posts the newsletters, although he recently put his web page back up and old issues are there again. However, Forest Glen Durland has nearly the last two years of the publication posted on his California web page, complete with an extensive subject index. (http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm) See y'all on the first Sunday of November. For the next two weeks, my train of (alleged) thought will be devoted almost exclusively to the story line of "In their Sacred Honor," a novel. ~ End ~ NOTE to all within driving distance of Northern Kentucky: The League of Kentucky Property Owners announced they will be hosting Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) as featured speaker at their Fourth Annual Meeting on November 4. The meeting will be held at the Triple Crown Country Club (clubhouse) in Richwood, Kentucky. The cash bar/informal reception starts at 6:30 PM and the General Meeting at 7:00 PM. There is no charge for admission. RSVPs are "helpful but not required." The telephone number is (606) 586-4740 for voice and (606) 586-4741 for fax. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #156 (1/2) (fwd) Date: 16 Oct 1999 20:33:18 PST On Oct 16, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia October 17, 1999 #156 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm PROTECT THIS AMERICAN TRADITION There are not very many major American corporations that will allow their officials to come out publicly and say that they cannot trust their internal system because they have a lot of thieves. However, that's just about what UPS did last week. UPS's management announced that it will no longer ship guns via "ground" because they fear their workers will steal them. Personally, I have always had a greatly different opinion of UPS personnel. However, perhaps we should take the UPS management at their word and not ship anything of value with them again. http://www.ups.com/about/directors.html Colt's Manufacturing Company, Inc. ("If It Isn't a Colt, It's Just a Copy") notified the American public they would prefer American citizens purchase the "copy" starting in November. That's what Newsweek and other "news" sources reported, anyway. Colt tried to soften that report a little by saying they would "continue to market their most important, classic handgun products." The very expensive models, in other words. http://www.colt.com/colt Watch for more of this in the near future. The socialists have their marching orders. We are to be disarmed. We are to be disarmed as soon as they can find a way to do it, that is. It's just that the American people are not cooperating. Americans got the message loud and clear. So, gun and ammunition sales have suddenly jumped to over 15 percent above government and industry projections, which were already high. That means, there will be an estimated 375,000 additional rifles, pistols and shotguns sold -- over and above the 2.5 million sales already projected for this year. Because, as we Americans allow the far-left apparatchiks in our State and local governments to sue firearms manufacturers into nonexistence for "damages" done by street punks with illegal firearms, law abiding Americans are actively arming themselves in unprecedented numbers. Actually, this ridiculous lawsuit action is but a carryover from that herd of hungry lawyers who made millions suing the tobacco manufacturers a while back. Anyone who smokes soon realized who paid the bill from that scam. As we reported some months ago, the same group is gearing up for a feeding frenzy against junk food producers, too. In truth, though, this gun grab stuff started with a group called the Commission on Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice. That's a United Nations committee. Two other U.N. agencies are also involved: the U.N. Disarmament Commission and the U.N. Panel of Governmental Experts on Small Arms. All three committees have been holding meetings for the past few years to devise policies to control "light weapons." http://www.ifs.univie.ac.at/~uncjin/uncjin.html The Clinton administration always wanted the American people disarmed. The UN wants it to happen as soon as possible. For instance, here's a snippet from the 1997 UN document SOC/CP/198. Most readers will quickly recognize the terminology used, as the Clinton administration and its sycophants in Congress copied it nearly word for word: "The Commission urged States to consider regulatory approaches to civilian-owned firearms that would cover their storage, transport, licensing, import and export, as well as penalties for their misuse. With many States having experienced an alarming escalation in gun- related crime in recent years, including several highly publicized incidents, delegates reported recent parliamentary moves to ban certain types of weapons and to prevent their use in domestic violence and other types of crimes." This, of course, is mirrored almost exactly by the arguments of all gun-control advocates in the United States. Certain federal officials are working with (receiving their marching orders from?) the UN bureaucrats on this operation and so keep the legislation flowing. The government/media consortium keeps trying to work on us, but it clearly is not effective. When deer hunting season opens in Michigan this year, there will be so many people in the field armed with high-powered weapons that it will actually represent the world's third largest armed encampment. Most of them know how to shoot properly, too. And, that's just hunters, and only in Michigan. The United Nations knows this and it bothers them greatly. The citizens of the United States have small arms immediately available that are better than the small arms used by any military force they could send here. In fact, we actually have more small arms in this country than people. And, there will be another three-million new guns in circulation this year. It's for the children, after all. That is how we protect them. And, if the need ever arises, that is what we will use to insure their freedom. It's an American tradition. PLANNING A MULTI-POLAR Y2K The failed foreign policy of the Clinton administration allowed a backward communist dictatorship like China to become a threat to the security of the people of the United States. For a couple million pieces of silver, Clinton and the Democratic Party (joined by a couple Republicans) allowed the communist Chinese to buy, borrow and steal our top military secrets. Washington says that China is not a real threat to the U.S. yet and will not be for at least another decade. Maybe so. But, that is only if you do not live in one of the twelve American cities the communists are targeting with nukes. Meanwhile, the communist Chinese are doing their best to arm with the most sophisticated weapons they can buy or steal. Worse, China now has a military agreement with Russia, its next door neighbor. And, China's next door neighbor is selling them just about anything they want. While Bill and Boris were yucking it up in Helsinki, Finland, Boris Yeltsin had his top military honchos working out an arrangement with the top Chinese military people. While Clinton was in China talking with the communist dictators, China had their top military people in Russia playing "let's form an Axis." Later, Yeltsin made part of that deal public. In what was called a "major foreign policy address," Yeltsin said that his favorite aim was a multi-polar world in the 21st century in which no single country plays a dominant role. The word to the media in Moscow was that the Russian leadership, including Yeltsin, believes the United States is exerting too much influence globally. And, they had a fix. Moscow would strengthen ties with Europe, China, Japan and India to try to counterbalance U.S. clout. Fast forward to last June and Reuters reports that Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov was visiting China to strengthen the strategic partnership between the two neighbors. Beijing and Moscow are seen as trying to chip away at the U.S. position as the world's only super power. "Both sides are playing up their partnership," said a Russian diplomat. "They are using their clout to strengthen their roles in the world." In a meeting with the Deputy Chief of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff, General Valiedin Korapierinykof, senior Chinese General Zhang Wannian urged his guest to develop a "multi-polar world" and establish a "new international political order." Both the Russians and the Chinese are reading from the same page, in other words. Now, back to Clinton at an April 30, 1998 press conference. When Sarah McClendon asked about China, Clinton replied: "We are trying to get to a point where we can work more closely with them and where they cooperate more closely with us. So we're trying to build the same kind of world in the future and not a very different kind of world. And I hope we'll get there." Yeah. "We're trying to build the same kind of world?" Like communist China. A dictatorship? That's what the man who parses his sentences so closely implied. Last June, Agence France Presse reported that, in Beijing, Russian General Valiedin Korapierinykof stated that Russia wants to boost military cooperation with China. That is, they are strengthening relations between Moscow and Beijing, based on a strategic partnership agreement signed in 1996. Also last June, ITAR-TASS reported that President Boris Yeltsin's Chief of Staff, Alaexander Voloshin, said the leaders of Russia and China "emphasized an immense importance of the development of military- technical cooperation between the two countries ... an important step in implementation of the strategic partnership and cooperation policy worked out by the Heads of State" of the two countries. So there's an agreement between Russia and China. And the United States is in their sights. But, is this a political scheme or a military threat? It's hard to tell right now, actually. China is arming as fast as it can. Russia is helping China arm by selling China some of its best military aircraft and warships. China has all of our top secret stuff to offer, as well as those many billions of dollars they receive from us every year because of a gross imbalance in trade arrangement. Russia needs the cash as well as the information. Russia recently started beefing up its military forces and mobilized a few armies. It appears that both Russia and China will be at the ready and have all forces on alert and mobile January 1, 2000. On the other hand, so will we. LOBBYING OUR RIGHTS AWAY Years ago, back when most Democratic politicians still had some common sense and were not preaching socialism, a popular politician used to say that voters must always watch what the government is doing because even those well meaning proponents of capitalism could go too far with it and give us totalitarianism. We're still a ways from totalitarianism here, but there are nevertheless some very interesting arrangements between business and government that should be brought to light. For instance, news accounts abound with quotes from the business and manufacturing sector stating that their particular product is safe as designed because it meets with all federal laws and regulations. That is to say, bureaucrats set all safety standards, so as long as a corporation meets or exceeds those standards, they are to have no worries about lawsuits. Got that? The regulations (standards) are set by politicians and bureaucrats. Which are, of course, those very same politicians and bureaucrats contacted daily by the multibillion dollar lobbying industry in Washington. And, who pays most of the lobbyists? Business and [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: Action Alert Vote To Come Next Week] (fwd) Date: 17 Oct 1999 09:56:55 PST On Oct 17, Joe Waldron wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Former NRA Director Weldon Clark said it better than I could. Read and act, please. It's time to call our critters again! Joe Waldron Weldon Clark wrote: > > Action Alert Vote To Come Next Week > > ***************************************** > Call your Congressman and Senators, and the offices of > these so-called Republican leaders, and complain. Defeat > the Juvenile Justice Bill. > > You can call your representatives at the following toll-free > numbers US Capitol Switchboard 800-456-1414 You can > also call them using the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224- > 3121. > > Here is the URL for Congressional Telephone Directory: > http://clerkweb.house.gov/mbrcmtee/members/teledir/members/congdir.htm > Here's an e-mail link to Congress. http://in-search-of.org/ > http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ > http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html > > To spread the word call Rush Limbaugh at 800-282-2882 and > callers may call in from 12 noon to 3PM EST, M-F > MARYLAND RESIDENTS and all others who want to see > how a "peoples republic" state operates see > www.2ndamendment.net > > For legislative updates contact www.nealknox.com and go to > "Scripts from the Firearms Coalition Legislative Update Line" > ***************************** > > >From Neal Knox Tell your Congressman and Senators "We > do not want any legislation." Either Juvenile Justice or > Campaign Finance. > > Excerpts from Tanya K. Metaksa's Article > > THERE WILL BE A VOTE. It's now time to contact your > senators and your representative. They need to hear from > every law-abiding gun owner and every person who supports > the Bill of Rights. It's not just about trigger locks, magazine > bans, or gun shows. It's about the right to purchase, to own, > to transport, or to use the gun of your choice. If you fail to > make that call, the Washington Post will be ecstatic to > influence the outcome. > *************** > Waco feed back Attorney needs information. > Keep up the good work in forwarding anything that might > prove helpful. Please put out in your newsletter and ask > people to contact me who know of any information relating to > the military involvement at Waco, or other information related > to the initial attack on 28 Mar 93 or the final assault on 19 Apr > 93. Regards, Jim@Brannon.com > **************** > > Action Alert From GOA (Paraphrased by Russ Howard > with some elaboration by Weldon Clark) > > "House Republican leaders will press ahead with new gun > restrictions despite a lack of cooperation from Democrats and > resistance by Republican conservatives." > -- The Washington Times, Oct 13, 1999 > > Oct 13, 1999 - Negotiators soon plan to produce > "compromise" gun control. New restrictions will be part of a > much larger juvenile crime bill passed in each house earlier > this year. Republicans Hatch & Hyde hope to bring up the > anti-gun bill for conference vote as early as today, including > the following controls: > > * A likely end to gun shows. ...allows gun shows to be taxed > without limits ... draconian regulations & harassment > inspections with no practical limitations. > > (* The bill contains provisions to follow private sales at gun > shows. This produces records that can be used against you > in the future. It is a registration of the sale of firearms. > Registration is the one thing that makes confiscation > possible. The only reason the anti gun politicians can steal > the guns is that they have a record of firearms ownership. > GET BETWEEN THESE RECORDS AND YOUR > GOVERNMENTS ANY WAY YOU CAN. - Weldon Clark) > > * A ban on importing high-capacity magazines... > > * A "gun tax" that forces every handgun buyer to buy a "lock- > up your safety" device. Republicans DeLay & Doolittle have > led House opposition to the anti-gun provisions. Senator Bob > Smith has promised to filibuster any "compromise" that > contains one iota of gun control. > > Let your legislators hear your opposition to the juvenile crime > bill. See beginning of this post > > Late this week or early next, the Senate will vote on a > filibuster of the anti-gun "campaign finance" bill. The House > version outlaws legislative alerts by treating them as > contributions for or against politicians whose votes are > discussed. Candidate ratings would also be outlawed. > Sponsors have deleted anti-freedom provisions from the > Senate bill, but passage would result in a conference with the > House bill, bringing both back to life. Ask your senators to > vote against shutting down the filibuster of S1593 [McCain]. > > **************************** > The 2ndAmendmentNews Team > The way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights of > others. Our right to own and use firearms is under attack. > This list was created in a hurry due to the emergency > presented by anti-gun politicians and the media dancing in > the blood of those who died in the Colorado massacre. > > We receive e-mail addresses from various sources that > represent the recipients as receptive to our timely, low-to- > moderate volume gun-rights-related alerts (generally no more > than weekly, never more than daily, depending on legislative > and other circumstances). Occasionally recipients turn out to > be not interested, and we remove them immediately with our > sincere apology for any inconvenience. If you wish to be > removed send an e mail to 2ndamendmentnews- > owner@onelist.com and include "unsubscribe". > > If you know anyone who would appreciate these alerts, > please let us know and we'll enroll them on a trial basis. > Also, feel free to forward our alerts. > > If you've received this as a forward and wish to subscribe > please send a reply to me at luz.clark@prodigy.net or > behanna@fast.net > > Cordially Yours, > The 2ndAmendmentNews Team > > 2ndAmendmentNews is published by volunteer activists who > support the full original individual rights intent of the 2nd > Amendment and oppose any appeasement on gun rights. > The moderators include Chris Behanna, Weldon Clark (an > NRA director) and Steve Cicero. > > If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude > better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from > us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down > and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set > lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our > countrymen. -- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia > State House, August 1, 1776. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: The KMart petition is closed, your email information deleted (fwd) Date: 17 Oct 1999 20:42:19 PST On Oct 17, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Summary: K-Mart has fired Rosie due to slumping sales, and perfectunion has replaced its Rosie petition with a UPS petition. Get in there and sign it. >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:57:17 -0700 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: Bill Plein >Subject: The KMart petition is closed, your email information deleted >To all who signed the Kmart petition at PerfectUnion.com: > >This is the LAST email you will receive on this issue. I wanted to >thank you all for participating. As you probably know, Rosie >O'Donnell is no longer doing new ads for KMart. Their revenue was >down the last couple of quarters, in part due to the boycott, which >in part was due to YOUR activism. Thanks! >Please note: A new petition is going online TODAY! As many of you >already know, UPS has changed its policy towards shipping handguns. >They have an internal problem with their employees diverting >handguns and stealing them. In order to reduce this risk, they are >requiring that all handgun shipments be made via Next Day Air, an >expensive shipping option. > >I am leading a boycott of their services. If you are interested, >please see the URL listed below. > >http://perfectunion.com/petitions/Petition_UPS/ > >Thanks again for your prior participation on the Rosie/Kmart >petition, and I'll see you online.... -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. -- MAO ZEDONG (1938) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Fw: The State Of California Is Confiscating Firearms! (fwd) Date: 17 Oct 1999 20:40:48 PST On Oct 17, Albert T. Viar wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ---------- > Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 20:16:04 > From: Albert T. Viar > To: hodag3@rnet.com > Subject: The State Of California Is Confiscating Firearms! > > > Warning to all, > > The State of California is confiscating firearms with a Supreme Court = ruling > related to the Roberti-Roos Measure. > See http://www.calnra.org and > calnra.org plaintiffs.html for the gory details. > Also available on the calnra site are copies of the actual letters = of > confiscation now being received by California residents. > > Albert T. Viar > hodag3@rnet.com eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/slick-d http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry ball Subject: I am giving a talk to the League of Women Voters Date: 18 Oct 1999 19:40:01 -0500 This Thursday night I am giving a talk AND am part of a panel on the issue of guns. The talk is to the Lincoln/Lancaster League of Women Voters. The other participants will be The Sheriff of Lancaster County, the Police Chief of Lincoln, NE, And a little sweetie from an organization called Nebraskan's for Peace. I need some help! Can anybody give me the founding fathers quotes that surface every once in a while? Also any other 2nd Amendment stuff you think worthwhile. Some material concerning the racist roots of gun control would also be helpful. About a year ago we discussed on a couple of these lists the statistics that show that the cops commit a greater number of injuries on the innocent public using their weapons than do citizens who use theirs. Does anyone still have this stuff? What else can you think of that would be helpful? What about this recent Federal Case in Texas? Also anybody have a review of Halbrook's book on the Freedmens' Act, Fourteenth Amendment, and The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Help! and Help quickly. I was just asked to do this thing Friday after NRA's "Woman of the Year" backed out. Indeed! How about some stuff on NRA's Three Strikes and Operation Exile? Also what about JPFO stuff and GOA? Come on gang give me some help Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: [tgo-l] I am giving a talk to the League of Women Voters Date: 18 Oct 1999 22:10:10 -0500 At 07:40 PM 10/18/1999 -0500, larry ball wrote: >From: larry ball I don't know if you are web enable or not, but I'll list a few usefull URLs with tons of good information in useable form. If you arne't web enabled, let me know, ASAP and I'll get some stuff together for you, as I'm sure others will also. Have at 'em :) > >This Thursday night I am giving a talk AND am part of a panel on the >issue of guns. The talk is to the Lincoln/Lancaster League of Women >Voters. The other participants will be The Sheriff of Lancaster County, >the Police Chief of Lincoln, NE, And a little sweetie from an >organization called Nebraskan's for Peace. > >I need some help! Can anybody give me the founding fathers quotes that >surface every once in a while? Also any other 2nd Amendment stuff you >think worthwhile. The most authoritative, yet compact source. Quotes checked for accurracy. http://rkba.org/research/rkba.quotes Or if you are really pressed for time, each of these is shorter, but should be checked for accuracy with the above http://www.public.usit.net/lsparks/quotes.htm > >Some material concerning the racist roots of gun control would also be >helpful. http://rkba.org/research/cramer/cramer-racist ot in a nicer format: http://www.shadeslanding.com/firearms/cramer.racism.html (Paper titled "The Racist Roots of Gun Control", Cramer has his own web site too, I think it might be: (At least a bunch of his stuff is here) http://www.ggnra.org/cramer If you've got PDF capability (Adobe Acrobat) then Cramer's Paper "For defense of Themselves and the State" is at: http://www.ggnra.org/cramer/Ncutdown.pdf A Review of Cramer's book is here: http://www-douzzer.ai.mit.edu:8080/revolution/firearms/laws/us/racism.html > >About a year ago we discussed on a couple of these lists the statistics >that show that the cops commit a greater number of injuries on the >innocent public using their weapons than do citizens who use theirs. >Does anyone still have this stuff? > >What else can you think of that would be helpful? What about this >recent Federal Case in Texas? Emerson case info available here: http://www.potomac-inc.org/emeramic.html and even more is here http://www.potomac-inc.org/index.html Other good compact sources for RKBA/2nd Amendment information, some of it just the sort you are looking for..facts, myths etc is at: http://www.guntruths.com/GunTruths/guntruthscom_home_page.htm http://www.guncite.com/ >Also anybody have a review of Halbrook's book on the Freedmens' Act, >Fourteenth Amendment, and The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? http://members.aol.com/protell/freedman.html >Help! and Help quickly. I was just asked to do this thing Friday after >NRA's "Woman of the Year" backed out. Indeed! > >How about some stuff on NRA's Three Strikes and Operation Exile? Also >what about JPFO stuff and GOA? > >Come on gang give me some help > >Larry Ball >lball@inetnebr.com > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Texas-Gun-Owners is at tgo-l@onelist.com. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pukanecz@exchange.vt.edu Subject: RE: I am giving a talk to the League of Women Voters Date: 19 Oct 1999 11:44:07 -0400 Hello Larry, Thanks for taking on this task. I wish you all the best. Here's a cool article that has some quotes like you wanted. It is also very enlightenting as to the origin of rights and the purpose of the bill of rights and the constitution. http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/silveira58.html Thanks again. todddddddddd _VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_ Todd Pukanecz Virginia Tech, CALS & 229 Dist Ed Blacksburg, Virginia ....................................................... "All too often, the Congress thinks there is no end to the good they can do with your money and their brains. It is time for us to put an end to this misguided belief. The Founding Father's vision was for a constitutional republic where the will of the people would be imposed on Washington, not the views of Washington imposed on the people." -- Sen. John Ashrcroft ~>-----Original Message----- ~>From: larry ball [mailto:lball@inetnebr.com] ~>Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:40 PM ~>To: Nebgun; Texgun; Noban; ROC; Plains men ~>Subject: I am giving a talk to the League of Women Voters ~> ~> ~>This Thursday night I am giving a talk AND am part of a panel on the ~>issue of guns. The talk is to the Lincoln/Lancaster League of Women ~>Voters. The other participants will be The Sheriff of ~>Lancaster County, ~>the Police Chief of Lincoln, NE, And a little sweetie from an ~>organization called Nebraskan's for Peace. ~> ~>I need some help! Can anybody give me the founding fathers ~>quotes that ~>surface every once in a while? Also any other 2nd Amendment stuff you ~>think worthwhile. ~> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: mail bounces Date: 19 Oct 1999 10:46:14 PST Yesterday afternoon my feed site had a problem and started bouncing mail. If the list or anyone sending personal messages received a bounce msg, then please repost. Thanks. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven A. Silver" Subject: Re: I am giving a talk to the League of Women Voters Date: 19 Oct 1999 09:36:09 -0700 Larry: Go to GunTruths.com, click on the button which says you support the right of self defense, then go to the hyperlink to quotes of the Founding Fathers. It's all there. Steve Silver larry ball wrote: > This Thursday night I am giving a talk AND am part of a panel on the > issue of guns. The talk is to the Lincoln/Lancaster League of Women > Voters. The other participants will be The Sheriff of Lancaster County, > the Police Chief of Lincoln, NE, And a little sweetie from an > organization called Nebraskan's for Peace. > > I need some help! Can anybody give me the founding fathers quotes that > surface every once in a while? Also any other 2nd Amendment stuff you > think worthwhile. > > Some material concerning the racist roots of gun control would also be > helpful. > > About a year ago we discussed on a couple of these lists the statistics > that show that the cops commit a greater number of injuries on the > innocent public using their weapons than do citizens who use theirs. > Does anyone still have this stuff? > > What else can you think of that would be helpful? What about this > recent Federal Case in Texas? > Also anybody have a review of Halbrook's book on the Freedmens' Act, > Fourteenth Amendment, and The Right to Keep and Bear Arms? > > Help! and Help quickly. I was just asked to do this thing Friday after > NRA's "Woman of the Year" backed out. Indeed! > > How about some stuff on NRA's Three Strikes and Operation Exile? Also > what about JPFO stuff and GOA? > > Come on gang give me some help > > Larry Ball > lball@inetnebr.com > > - -- Steve Silver Attorney at Law: http://www.silver-legal.com/ The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society: http://www.thelsas.org/ Get the TRUTH About Guns: http://www.guntruths.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] > The Showdown on Hwy. 78 (fwd) Date: 19 Oct 1999 22:57:42 PST On Oct 19, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > (OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE) > > July 1, 1999 was a typical day for most Southern Californians. In San Die= go > =92s North county, 58 year-old Janet Lucero was on the road like thousands= of > others. She never had a thought how she could affect the lives of thousand= s > in just one day. > > Road rage is a typical phenomenon =96 especially on the Golden State=92s c= rowded > thoroughfares. Highway 78 (a major connector freeway between Interstates 5 > and 15) was no exception. Janet was in route to a fair when another woman > wanted to go elsewhere. Two drivers wanting to be in the same spot at the > same time. No collision, just frayed nerves. But this would be different. > Whoever Janet Lucero angered decided to follow her into the parking lot of= a > Burger King restaurant. This is where the chaos began. > > According to both parties, the woman approached Janet=92s light blue Honda > Civic once it was parked. Apparently, she had a few harsh words for Janet.= A > possible threat? Could she be hostile? Who knows? But in what is known as > =93the land of fruits and nuts,=94 Janet suspected by the woman=92s attitu= de that > this may have been the latter. > > Words were exchanged. Then, the woman opened Janet=92s door and saw someth= ing > on Janet=92s lap =96 and then abruptly closed the door in fear =96 the sam= e fear > most criminals have when they notice their potential victim is armed. > > In most states, that would have been the end of the story. Janet Lucero > thought so. But while she went on to order a burger at the restaurant, she > forgot she was in California. The woman who approached her car didn=92t. > She decided to do her =93civic=94 duty and make a call =96 the three digit= kind. > Shortly after leaving the restaurant, Janet found flashing lights in her > rear view mirror. > > Let=92s stop right here for a moment=85 > > Janet Lucero has had problems with police in the past =96 yet, no criminal > record. The worst transgression she ever committed was not having her dog= s=92 > vaccinations up to date. She also couldn=92t forget more recent stories th= at > are all too familiar to Californians =96 stories about what happens to peo= ple > who are found with guns in the car by police. Since many California > politicians and police feel the constitutional right to keep and bear arms > is the greatest threat to a free state, many of their victims (some unarme= d) > are not alive to give their own side of the story. The fact that they had=20= a > gun (or suspected to) is enough reason to be killed without prejudice. Jan= et > Lucero remembered this as she pulled over (and she did pull over). > > Back to the scene=85 > > Janet found herself looking down the barrel of the patrolman=92s service > revolver. Due to the well-publicized, recent behavior of some of Californ= ia > =92s Finest, Janet decided she would not be the next victim. She left the > scene for good reason, and the chase was on. Another one of those infamous > Golden State chase scenes most Americans find entertaining. But this wasn= =92t > OJ. This was different. The case of July 1, 1999 captured the attention of > the California Highway Patrol, then the San Diego County sheriff=92s offic= e, > then the Escondito Police Department, then all of San Diego County, and th= en > the nation. > > Janet never broke any speed limit laws. But the long chase led to the > infamous =93Standoff on Highway 78=94 where police finally cornered her. T= here > were two factors that drew the media attention to this particular standoff= : > 1) Thousands of motorists found themselves in stopped on Freeways all over > the North County of San Diego and 2) the lawful defiance of one Janet > Lucero =96 a woman who refused to be killed. Once stopped, all of San Dieg= o > awaited a violent conclusion to the Standoff. > > Four hours in the California heat. Volunteers had to bring water to the > stranded motorists on Hwy. 78. An infant had to be rushed to the hospital. > The area was in chaos while the SD sheriff=92s department had =93all hands= on > deck=94 (with live media cameras in tow) as Janet sat peacefully =96 refus= ing to > get out of her car in fear. > > There are those who will say Janet had nothing to fear. But the several gu= ns > trained on her were later joined by SWAT teams dressed like active duty > Marines returning from Kosovo =96 with weapons to match, ready to blow her > head off even if she had just sneezed. No, nothing to fear. Then, add the > armored vehicle, the low-flying helicopter, then =93Lonny, the mechanized > RoboCop=94. Lonny=92s task was to peak into Janet=92s vehicle to make sure= she > wasn=92t a threat to the 70 heavily armed, armor plated, helmet wearing > camouflaged, para-military storm troopers holding weapons that most other > Californians would be jailed or shot for owning. > > All this for one 58-year old woman who simply didn=92t want to die that da= y. > > Janet=92s reward for her defiance was to be psychologically diagnosed by t= he > media before she ever got out of the car. She was a kook, a nut, crazy, > sick, out of her mind, and most of all dangerous. But the fact that Janet= =92s > rights may have been violated never became an issue. After all, she had a > gun =96 thus, according to many behind the badges (and the armor, and the > bigger guns) she has no rights, Bill of Rights be dammed. > > Of course, some people begged for the police to simply kill her so they ca= n > get back to their soap operas=85 > > After being assured there was a large enough crowd around to witness her > potential execution, Janet left the vehicle without incident. No shots wer= e > fired. Janet Lucero was booked on eight count (5 felonies) about 7 hours > after her incident with the Roberta Neilsen, the angry motorist with an > itchy dialing finger. They threw the book at her. Her charges in a > nutshell: Knowing her rights, and refusal to immediately submit to lethal > force. She is now locked away awaiting trial. > > The District Attorney pleaded for no bail since (despite the overwhelming > lethal presence demonstrated to San Diego County) this 58 year-old, 120 > pound woman wearing shorts is =93a threat to public safety=94. > > Was she justified? Was it legal? Is she insane? Is there more to this stor= y? > These questions will be answered in court. Fortunately, Janet Lucero of > Ranchitas, California (the woman who refused to be the next victim) will b= e > alive to tell her side of the story =96 something we suspect the awesome p= ower > of government wasn=92t anticipating. > > What caused all this? A .38 caliber revolver that was never loaded or > pointed, and a 58 year-old innocent woman in fear of her own life. > > Janet Lucero needs and wants good legal counsel. Someone who believes in t= he > Second Amendment, and Janet refuses to use taxpayer dollars for her legal > defense. Nancy Lord Johnson has volunteered her legal services in this > matter. In Nancy=92s words, > > =93Someone has got to put a stop to this!=94 > > Stay tuned... > > Nancy's web site can be found at: > www.nancyjohnson.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For subscription info, go to: > http://www.egroups.com/list/piml > > -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@world.std.com > -> Posted by: "J.J. Johnson" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * =20 To join the Waco discussion group,=20 Click here ----> waco= -gro up-subscribe@egroups.com To join the Slick discussion group,=20 Click here ----> slick= -d-sub scribe@egroups.com and read what others are saying about these issues. FREE To join the SlickPlus internet group,=20 Click here ----> SlickPlus-Subscribe@egroups.com and receive free e-mails from others about the same topics. FREE=20 To sign off, send e-mail to SlickPlus-unsubscribe@egroups.com what could be easier? * * * * *=20 To subscribe to the Slick e-zine, send e-mail to RichSlick@aol.com for deta= ils. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Re: [cactus@aztec.asu.edu: FW: COMMENTARY: How to Sell Gun Rights - Date: 20 Oct 1999 12:32:03 PST On Oct 20, ALLEN BENZ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: cactus@aztec.asu.edu (ALLEN BENZ) To: cactus Subject: Re: FW: COMMENTARY: How to Sell Gun Rights - PLUS Harry's Show Sunday Date: Wed, 20 Oct >From: LibertyWire >To: Subscriber >Subject: COMMENTARY: How to Sell Gun Rights - PLUS Harry's Show Sunday >Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999, 2:10 PM > >L i b e r t y W i r e > >IN THIS ISSUE |*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*| > > >1 COMMENTARY: How to Sell Gun Rights >2 Tune In to Harry's Radio Show Sunday Night >3 How to Subscribe or Unsubscribe >4 How to Communicate With Us > > >1 |*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*| > > >How to Sell Gun Rights > >By Harry Browne > >>From time to time the press reports a tragic event in which a child is >killed in a gun accident. It provides an opportunity for politicians and >reformers to speechify about the need to pass stricter gun laws -- laws >that will require safety locks on guns, laws that will force gun owners >to keep all guns in locked storage, even laws to make it harder for >someone to buy a gun. > >But why does the press bother to report the tragic gun accident? > >Because it is an extraordinary event. Like an earthquake big enough to >cause fatalities, the rarity of a gun accidentally killing a child makes >it newsworthy. It's the legendary "Man Bites Dog!" story. > >But thousands of children are killed in _car_ accidents _every year_. >Why don't you see reports of those auto accidents on the TV News? >Because they are too commonplace to be news -- events no more unusual >than "Dog Bites Man." > >The death of any child or adult is a tragedy. Life is the most precious >gift a human being possesses. But if the death of a child from a gun >accident justifies taking away freedoms from people, why doesn't the >death of a child from an auto accident justify laws that would keep >children away from cars? > > Rights & Freedoms > >The answer stems from a simple truth: Few people care about the rights >and freedom of others. Most of us care only about the rights and >freedoms that affect our own lives. > >Almost every adult drives a car and accepts the risks that go with >driving an automobile. To forcibly keep children away from cars would >inconvenience most families so much that the idea could gain the support >of almost no one -- except perhaps the Vice-President of the United States. > >But only about half of American families own guns. The other half >includes people who, for one reason or another, see no need to own a gun >-- in some cases because they are afraid of guns. Those people can >easily believe that reducing gun ownership will save lives without >inconveniencing them in any way. > >Politicians are particularly prone to this attitude. Most of them work >in buildings with heavy security; many of them have armed chauffeurs and >armed guards; and if they want to go into a dangerous area of a city, >they can requisition an armed escort. So they don't feel imposed upon >when restrictive gun laws prevent average citizens from defending >themselves. > >Also, politicians respect the political influence wielded by many >gun-control advocates. Some of those advocates run America's biggest >newspapers, or are pundits on the Washington Sunday-morning talk shows, >or are wealthy Hollywood celebrities. Why shouldn't politicians pander >to these gun-controllers who can do so much to help their careers -- >especially when the politicians feel no need to own guns themselves? > > Appealing to Non-Gun-Owners > >We may never change the minds of the politicians or the gun-control >advocates. So our efforts should be directed toward the rest of the >people who don't own guns. > >And the first point to keep in mind is this: _You will get nowhere by >proclaiming your right to keep and bear arms_. Very few people care >about rights they don't plan to exercise themselves. > >To them, it doesn't matter that the Founding Fathers meant the 2nd >amendment to provide unqualified gun ownership for citizens, and it >doesn't matter that the right to be armed against a potential tyranny >may be the most important right of all. > >You might be able to win debates asserting such arguments, but _you >won't win converts_. And what's the point of winning debates if you >don't convert anyone, and if winning a debate simply encourages your >opponents to look for new ways to defeat you? > >I know of only one way to bring non-gun-owners over to our side: by >showing them that widespread gun ownership makes them safer than they >would be among a disarmed populace. > >Here are some examples of points that can help you persuade them . . . > >* If you're ever in a restaurant and a maniac starts shooting people at >random, I hope someone in that restaurant will have a gun that can stop >the assailant. > >* I doubt that I would take advantage myself of a law allowing people to >carry concealed weapons, but I feel safer in a community where anyone I >see _might_ be carrying a concealed gun -- so that any criminal has to >wonder whether _I_ have a gun. > >* Although you hear about unusual accidents in which guns have killed >children, or cases where a maniac has fired on a bunch of children, you >don't hear of the thousands of commonplace events in which a home >containing children was defended from an intruder by a gun owner -- or >even defended by a child with a gun. Nor do you hear about the criminals >who were deterred from entering a neighborhood where they didn't know >which houses might contain guns. Your home is safer if some of your >neighbors happen to have guns. > >* Criminals rarely buy guns in gun stores or at gun shows, because they >don't want guns traced back to them. They buy their guns in the >underworld or simply steal them. So they are rarely affected by >gun-control laws. The number of criminals nabbed by such laws is >microscopic compared to the number of innocent citizens who were >prevented by waiting periods from buying guns when threatened by a >stalker, a violent ex-spouse, or a crazy person. Like most laws, gun >control hurts the innocent far more than the guilty. And since the >criminals will have guns no matter what, the more the innocent are >deprived of owning guns, the less safe _you_ are. > >* Women especially need access to guns to protect them from stronger men >who might assault them in parking lots, on city streets, or in their own >homes. To prevent them from carrying guns is to deny them the only way >to resist an attacker. > >* The police can't stop an intruder, mugger, or stalker from hurting >you. They can pursue him only _after_ he has hurt or killed you. >Protecting yourself from harm is _your_ responsibility, and you are far >less likely to be hurt in a neighborhood of gun-owners than in one of >disarmed citizens -- even if you don't own a gun yourself. > >* It is unrealistic to say such things as "But no one needs an assault >rifle." How can we know that? If you were a store owner during the Los >Angeles riots and a mob was about to enter your store to destroy your >life savings, which would you have wanted in your hand -- a knife, a >6-bullet revolver, or an assault rifle? Giving politicians the power to >decide what you need and don't need is to force you to live your life >according to _their_ needs and circumstances -- making you vulnerable to >any whim that strikes the politicians during a period of temporary >hysteria. > >Understand that none of these points is likely to convert someone >overnight. But your prospect will actually listen to you when you >discuss these things, because you're talking about matters that affect >his life directly. And as he considers more and more of these matters, >he is likely to become less adamantly opposed to gun ownership, then >grow even more open-minded, and eventually become your ally. > >That's how so many people have come to want an end to the Drug War -- a >step at a time -- and not out of concern for someone else's right to >take drugs, but to make one's own life safer. > >The ability to keep and bear arms is one of the most important rights >you can have. So it's essential that you be as persuasive as possible >when you get the chance to talk to someone about it. Don't waste the >opportunity by preaching about _your_ right to do what _you_ want. > >Instead, agree with the person's concern for safety -- so he knows you >want a more peaceful society, not a more violent one. Then you can help >him understand how much safer he'll be in a society of armed citizens, >rather than living in one where only criminals and government employees >have guns. > >------ >Harry Browne was the 1996 Libertarian presidential candidate. > > >2 |*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*|*| > > >Tune In to Harry's Show Sunday; >Participate by Phone or E-mail! > >Be sure to tune in Sunday evening to Harry Browne's weekly >radio show on the Talk America Network. 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We will assume that >submissions via this e-mail address >automatically imply permission to include >them in an upcoming issue. > >TO CONTACT THE EDITOR, >mailto:JackDean@HarryBrowne2000.org eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/slick-d http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry ball Subject: Thanks One and All Date: 21 Oct 1999 21:18:18 -0500 All of you who responded for my information need are wonderful. I used much of it for my presentation tonight to the League of Women voters. "Very scholarly," said one woman, "you did a very good job presenting your side." "Thanks for the summation, it was great, " said the lady who invited me. Well, I think I foamed at the mouth just a little and the moderator had to get on me for being long winded, BUT I did get a lot of agreement from the Sheriff and the Chief of Police. Nice feeling! We will see. Some of it will make TV. I had fun. Oh, the sweatie from Nebraskan's for Peace? She said we could end violence and victimization if we only had a sufficient self control. "Well, how is self control on the victims part going to stop a perpetrator from attacking?" asked one person. "Oh," she said, " I don't mean just the victim, I mean that perpetrator needs self control also." INDEED! Well that is the answer folks. How did I miss it. When you are being attacked ask your attacker to have some self control. Then there will be nothing to worry about. Tweat Tweat Tweatie! Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: Garden: Re: [piml] Halloween, Thanksgiving cancelled (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1999 08:52:52 PST Here's the latest list to add to, or sprinkle throughout your posts. Note: As _everyone seems to forget it, I've added, "PGP", to the start of this list.....:-) On Oct 21, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In the spirit of driving NSA crazy, this was so good I decided that I HAD to send it everywhere I could! To bad I don't have all my old addresses in my new address book! Huck rocco angelo wrote: > PGP, The President, Jati, skorpion VZ61 machine pistol, > C-4, RDX, LAW, M-60, > > M-203 grenade launcher, HK-MP5SD, Uzi, biological > agents, AMFO, VX, > > Armalite AR-180, M16-A1, M-16A2, > > Baretta Model 12 SMG, Sten SMG, Browning HP, > Makarov, P-38, RGD-5, SAM 7 > > Strela, RPG-7, > > HMTD, picric acid, TACC, mercury fulminate, > sodium chlorate, lead > > picarate, > > silver nitrate, DDNP, > > lead azide, TNT, TETRYL, Amatol, Petn, Amonium > Nitrate, Air Force One, > > the football, NSC, NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA, ATF, USCG, > USMC, USA, USN, USS > > Nimitz, USS John F. Kennedy, > > BATFISH, COLT, AR-15, Air Force Two, M1A, Barrett > .50 cal, AP, API, > > PATRIOT, STINGER, M1A Abrams, T-72, T-80, BMP, > BTR-60, FALN, JDL, > > PLO,UDA, > > RAF, NAR, PFLP, ALN, SLA, Osama Bin Laudin, > Andreas Baader, Carlos, > > Promise, M2A1, BAR M1918-A2, M4, FN-FNC, FN-FAL, > L1A1, HK-G3A3, DPM, > > RPK, > > Flash Bang, CS, CN, AK-47, AK-74, AKR, AKS, RPD, > BROWNING M1919A4, > > VICKERS, > > MAXIM, SWD, INGRAM MAC-10, Supress-on, BREN-L4A1, > ARMALITE AR-10, > > STONER-25, M-14, Galil ARM, WALTHER WA 2000 > Sniper rifle, Remington > > 700, > > INA 953. Styer MPi-81, Styer AUG, Styer Scout, > hacking, hacker, blue > > box, > > red box, explosive, tetranitrotoluene, > nitrocelulose, blasting caps, > > ADL, > > Morris Dees, Al Gore, Tipper, Hillary, Chelsea, > Louis Freeh, Janet Reno, > > Madeline Albright, William Cohen, IRS, BATF, DOD, > WACO, RUBY RIDGE, > > OKC, > > Cklahoma City, Militia, Gun, Handgun, Milgov, > Assault Rifle, Terrorism, > > Bomb, Drug, Horiuchi, Koresh, Davidian, Gordon > Kahl, Posse Comitatus > > Act, > > Special Forces, Linda Thompson, Special > Operations Group, SOG, SOF, > > Delta > > Force, Constitution, Bill Of Rights, Whitewater, > Pom Park On Meter, > > Arkanside, Iran Contras, Oliver North, Vince > Foster, Promis, Mossad, > > Nasa, > > Mi5, Oni, CID, Ak47, M16, C4, Malcolm X, > Revolution, Cherokee, Hillary, > > Bill Clinton, Gore, George Bush, Wackenhut, > Terrorist, Task Force 160, > > Special Ops, 12Th Group, 5th Group, 7th Special > Forces Group, 20th SFG, > > Faction 3, 5th Column, JTF, JTF-6, Alpha Group, > MACV, SOCOM, ANTHRAX, > > Marburg Virus, hemoragic fever, EBOLA, potasium > cyanide, neutron > > weapons, > > phased pulse plasma, HAARP, TRAAC, TOMAHAWK, > TEAMS, JFKSWC, Ft. Bragg, > > 82nd > > Airborne, 101st Airborne, Ft. Benning, Rangers, > SEALS, Little Creek, RED > > CELL, TACC, SNIFFER, Pave-lo > > My country 'tis of thee, Sweet land of liberty, > Of thee I sing. Land where my father's died, > Land of the Pilgrim's pride, From ev'ry > mountainside > Let freedom ring." My native country, thee,Land > of the noble free,Thy name I love.I love thy > rocks and rills, > Thy woods and templed hills; My heart with > rapture thrills Like that above. Our fathers' God, to > Thee, > Author of Liberty, To thee we sing, Long may our > land be bright With freedom's holy light; > Protect us by Thy might,Great God, our King! > -Words by Samuel Francis Smith > With dignity > > --- Robert Baker wrote: > The witch is moving to New York, and apparently > > taking the turkey with > > her... [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [cydonia@gci-net.com: Fw: rights] (1/2) (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1999 16:44:35 PST On Oct 22, ALLEN BENZ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: cydonia@gci-net.com ("cydonia") To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Fw: rights Date: Sun, 05 Sep ----- Original Message ----- From: zachec To: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 1:58 PM Subject: Fw: rights > Roger; > > Here this is for you. My friend Thomas just sent this to me this morning. I > like this historic legacy of our country that is ignored by the ignorant in > their war against our freedom. > > Scott H. > > ---------- > From: Tom Grosch > To: zachec@theriver.com > Subject: rights > Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 8:38 AM > > Scott, > Thought you would like this: > > > The Right to Bear Arms > Article two, Bill of rights, U.S. Constitution > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, > the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." > > This article...goes back to the English Bill of Rights. Madison's seventh > item accepts the Virginia convention bill's seventeenth article...Article > 13 of the Virginia Bill of Rights is the underlying source. The > Pennsylvania minority was the first to propose and amendment dealing with > this topic. - Edward Dumbauld, The Bill of Right, 1957 > > English Bill of Rights - 1689 (King James II ...did endeavor to subvert and > extirpate the Protestant religion, and the laws and liberties of this > kingdom...) 6. > By causing several good subjects, being Protestants, to be disarmed, at the > same time when papists were both armed and employed, contrary to law. > (...the said lords spiritual and temporal, and commons...declare...) 7. > That the subjects which are Protestants, may have arms for their defense > suitable to their conditions, and as allowed by law... > > Virginia Bill of Rights - June, 1776 13. That the well regulated militia, > composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, > natural, and safe defense of a free state.... > > Proposed by Pennsylvania - December, 1778 7. That the people have a right > to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own State, or the > United States, for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed > for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or > real danger of public injury of individuals..... > > Proposed by New Hampshire - June 1788 Congress shall never disarm any > Citizen unless such as are or have been in Actual Rebellion. > > Proposed by Virginia - June 1788 That the People have the right to keep and > bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, including the body of the People > capable of bearing Arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free > state; > > Proposed by North Carolina - August 1788 17th. That the people have a right > to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the body > of the people, trained to arms is the proper, natural and safe defense of a > free state. > > Offered by Madison in Congress - June 1789 The right of the people to keep > and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated > militia being the best security of a free country... > > Reported by the select Committee - July 189 A well regulated militia, > composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free > State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be > infringed... > > Passed by the House of Representatives - August, 1789 Article the Fifth. A > well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best > security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms > shall not be infringed... > > Passed by the Senate - September, 1789 Article the Fourth. A well regulated > militia, being necessary to me security of a free State the right of the > people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. > > ARMS, MILITIA, and FREEDOM > "Those who have command of Arm's in a county are Masters of the State." > -Socrates > > The Constitution > "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and > effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, > and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or > affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the > persons or things to be seized.Ó > > 4th Amendment > "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges > or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive > any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor > deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the > laws." 14th Amendment > > Edmund Burke > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do > nothing." > > Thomas Paine > "...arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve > order in the world as well as property..horrid mischief would ensue were > the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." > > George Mason > "Ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few > public officials." > > George Washington > "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the > people's liberty tenth." > "A free people ought to be armed. When firearms go, all goes. We need them > every hour." > > Elbridge Gerry > "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of > a standing army, the bane of liberty. Whenever Governments mean to invade > the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the > militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." > > Richard Henry Lee > "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people > always possess arms, and be taught alike - especially when young - how to > use them." > "A militia, when properly formed are in fact the people themselves....and > include all men capably of bearing arms." > > Thomas Jefferson > "No free men shall ever be debarred the use of arms... The strongest reason > for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, > to protect themselves against tyranny in government." > "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned > from time to time that the people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let > them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, > with the blood of patriots and tyrants." > > "The Constitution of most of our states, and of the Unites States, assert > that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by > themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." > > "False is the idea of utility...that would take fire from men because it > burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, > except destruction of liberty. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms > are laws of such nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined > nor determined to commit crimes..such laws serve rather to encourage than > to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater > confidence than an armed man." > > Patrick Henry > "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who > approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but > downright force. When you give up that force, you are eventually ruined." > > "The great object is that every man be armed and everyone who is able may > have a gun." - VA Convention on ratification. > > "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that > we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference > between having our arms in our own possession and under our direction, and > having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real > object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more > propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?' > > Alexander Hamilton > "...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form > an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the > liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if > at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to > defend their rights..." > > "The best we can hope for, concerning the people at large, is that they be > properly armed." > > John Adams > "Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual > discretion... in private self-defense." > > "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. > It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the > people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages > who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good > masters, but they mean to be masters." > > Daniel Webster > > James Madison > "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. A > well-regulated Militia, composed of the people trained to arms, is the best > and most natural defense of a free country." > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [cydonia@gci-net.com: Fw: rights] (2/2) (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1999 16:43:51 PST On Oct 22, ALLEN BENZ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > "No free government was ever founded, or ever preserved its liberty, > without uniting the characters of citizen and soldier in those destined for > the defense of the State. Such are a well regulated Militia, composed of > the freeholders, citizen, and husbandman; who take up arms to preserve > their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen." > > "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the > people of almost every other nation. > > ...Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of > Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the > governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." > > Tench Coxe > "The power of the sword is in the hands of Congress? My friends and > countrymen, it is not so; for the powers of the sword are in the hands of > the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The Militia of these free > commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with > any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the > Militia? They are not ourselves as politicians and lawmakers. They are > those who have elected us into our positions and entrusted us with the > power of the sword is not in the hands of either the Federal or State > governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain in the hands of > the people." > > "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may > attempt to tyrannize..the people are confirmed by the article in their > right to keep and bear their private arms." > > "...as the military forces which must be occasionally raised..might pervert > their power to injury of their fell citizens, the people are confirmed by > the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." > > Noah Webster > "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are > in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot > enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are > armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that > can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.' > > Samuel Adams > "And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to > prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from > keeping their own arms..." > > George Mason > "...to disarm the people - that is the best and most effective way to > enslave them.' > > Abraham Lincoln > "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. > Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can > exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary > right to dismember or overthrow it." > > "We, the people are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts - > not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrown men who pervert the > constitution." > > Mohandas K. Gandhi > "Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as cooperation with good." > > "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look > upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." > > Others > > *"If you want to have a large population and to provide it with arms so as > to establish a great empire, you will have made you population such that > you cannot handle it as you please." - Machiavelli, The Discourses > > *"The right of self-defense in the first law of nature. In most governments > it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest > limits possible. Whenever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the > people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, > prohibited; liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of > destruction." - Justice George Tucker, Virginia Supreme Ct, 1803 > > *"The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden > foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation's of > powers by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up > large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both > from the enormous expense with which they are attended, and the facile > means which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, t subvert the > government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the > citizens to keep and bear arms > has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the > republic, since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and > arbitrary power of the rulers; and will generally, even if those are > successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph > over them." - Justice Joseph Story, US Supreme Court(1811-1845) > > *"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or > the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It > is one of the "High Powers" delegated directly to the citizen by the United > States Constitution, Amendment II, and Ôis excepted out of the general > powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon it or impair > it, because it is above the law, and independent of the law-making power." > Texas Supreme Court Decision, Cockrun v Texas, 1859 > > *"As night does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both > instances, there is a twilight when everything remains unchanged. And it is > in that twilight that we must be most aware of the change in the air - > however slight; lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." - > Justice William O. Douglas > > *"People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging > for rule by brute force, where the biggest, strongest animals among men > were always automatically Ôright'. Guns ended that, and social democracy is > a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work." - L. Neil Smith, > The Probability Broach > > *"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty > when the government's purposes are beneficent...the greatest dangers to > liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but > without understanding." - Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. US, Supreme > Court, 1928 > > *"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without > bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too > costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the > odds against you and only a small change of survival. There may even be a > worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because > it is better to perish than to live as a slave." - Winston Churchill > > *"Gun bans don't disarm criminals, gun bans attract them." 0- Walter > Mondale, US Ambassador to Japan, April 1994 > > *"...the second amendment is not for killing little ducks and leaving Huey > and Dewey and Louie without an aunt and uncle. It is for hunting > politicians...when they take you independence away." - Rep Bob Dornan, US > House of Representatives, January, 1995 > > *"Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and > oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient > excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear > that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead." - > Walter Williams, Prof. of Economics, George Mason University. > > Opposing Views > > *"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation > has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more > efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -Adolf > Hitler, 1935 > > *"Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the > State." - Heinrich Himmler, 1935 > > *"(the US) can't be so fixed on our desire to preserve the rights of > ordinary Americans..." President Clinton, March 1, 1993, press conference > in Piscataway, NJ (Boston Globe, 3/2/93) > > *"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns." - Sen. Howard > Metzenbaum, 1994 > > Does the Second Amendment apply only to National Guard units? > > The National Guard was not organized in the United States until 112 years > AFTER the second Amendment was written. The original intent of the Second > Amendment was to ensure the individual right of citizens to keep and bear > arms. The freedom to own and carry a weapon is a fundamental,, guaranteed > Constitutional right. It even precedes the Constitution and Bill of Rights. > Any attempt to alter that is an attempt to overthrow the Constitution. The > idea that the right to arms was linked only to militia duty, and not to the > individual right of > self defense, is a modern one. The earliest court decisions - Kentucky in > 1822, Indiana in 1833 Georgia in 1837, to name a few- recognized an > individual right to arms. The Georgia Supreme Court noted the second > amendment protected "the right of the whole in 1905 did a Kansas court > propose the idea that the right to bear arms was meant only to protect the > organized state militia. The right to arms clause was very important to the > Americans demanding a bill of rights. The framers who answer entirely > different critics, seeking an entirely different principle. Very few > ANTI-gunners would really want to restore the militia system, which made > gun ownership mandatory. Their claims actually seek to defeat both portions > of the second amendment. > > Jim Eason - KSFO Radio, San Francisco - August, 1997 > > 900 Front Street > San Francisco, CA 94111-1450 > Telephone 415-398-5600 > Fax 415-391-3616 > ---------- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [jphenry@gci-net.com: Date: 22 Oct 1999 18:18:17 PST On Oct 22, ALLEN BENZ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: jphenry@gci-net.com (John Patrick Henry) To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism..." Date: Fri, 03 Sep Wise men, Some common sense for your viewing pleasure. JPH Post Number 155: Gun Control IV "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened"; Norman Thomas, 1936 presidential candidate on the Socialist ticket. It has been quite some time since I have sent out a Post on Gun Control, and with good reason; it really is a non-issue. And with that being said, I find it amazing the number of people on the net who talk about the Second Amendment, as if that gave them some kind of Right. I keep telling everyone, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, are simply restrictions on those who work within the so-called government (actually, it is not a government, it is a corporation, in bankruptcy, under reorganization plan number 26). And if you are SUBJECT (please look up the word subject in a legal dictionary) to the Constitution, you have NO Rights, much less protections by the Second Amendment. What this boils down to is: Are you are United States citizen, or an American? (See Part I of my Series; United States citizen, Yes or No?) Until you, the people of America, begin to discuss the real issues, and stop playing the games of those who would rule you with an iron hand, nothing is going to change. It can not, because the real issues are being controlled by being ignored by the media. Why would you be surprised at that? If the media is discussing it, then it is not the real issue, and the discussion is solely to confuse you, and to hide the real agenda. The United States government is under contract. Contracts are specifically held to be above the Constitution; the government is specifically prevented within the Constitution itself from interfering with contracts. It does not matter if the contracts are unconscionable, illegal, or not revealed. The contracts can not be touched. So, that corporation known as the United States government (see Part II of my Series, The Constitution) is under contract, and has been since 1962 (there is plenty of evidence of this and it goes out over the net constantly) to disarm. Really, this means transfer its arms to a superior corporation, known as the United Nations. And this means also to disarm all United States citizens. It is a contract, and it will happen, unless you start talking about the real issues. Unless enough people start to wake up and react. Unless you start to spread the word. I suggest you read my Series. This is not about crime; this is not about the safety of children. This is not about hunting. This is not about gun collecting. This is about the right of the people to defend themselves against the parasites who prey on the common people of the earth. This is about the bankers and their ilk, and about those who do not work for a living. In here, put lawyers, judges, professional military, bureaucrats, police (part of the military; why do you think they wear uniforms and refer to us as civilians? For reference, see Martial Law), and all others who slop at the public trough, and I am not referring to welfare. This is about disarming the people of America so that the corporation known as the United States government can merge it s subjects into a superior corporation, and transform itself into the New World Order. Read on, my friends, and see if you may pick up a few hints. This is good reference material. Especially when trying to talk to some of those anti-gun zealots, who are out en masse today, stalking the bulletin boards, demanding "Gun Bans". http://home.pacbell.net/dragon13/policeprot.html Do You Have A Right to Police Protection? One of the basic themes of gun control is that only the police and military should have handguns or any type of firearm. I cannot explain their rationale, other than to say that gun control proponents must believe that the police exist to protect the citizenry from victimization. But in light of court decisions we find such is not the case. You have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime. Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations! (There are many good examples of such calls and non-response by the police on this site. But, it is meaningless, unless when you are sending this information out, you are talking about the real issues at the same time. You will find that the Anti-gun Zealots will crawl under a rock when the real facts about disarming America, and why, are brought out. David) "We will not recognize it as it rises. It will wear no black shirts here. It will probably have no marching songs. It will rise out of a congealing of groups and elements that exist here and that are essential components of Fascism. The essentials of Fascism are: (1) Corporatism; (2) government-created purchasing power as a substitute for private investment; (3) production of government funds by bank credits; (4) militarism; (5) dictatorship. It will be at first decorous, humane, glowing with homely American sentiment. But dictatorship cannot remain benevolent. To continue, it must become ruthless. When this stage is reached we shall see that appeal by radio, movies, and government-controlled newspapers to all the worst instincts and emotions of our people. The rough, the violent, the lawless men will come to the surface and into power. This is the terrifying prospect as we move along our present course." John T. Flynn, 1941 (Read the above carefully, and see if it does not, indeed, describe America today. And remember, what is listed above also comes straight out of the Communist Manifesto. There is no difference, and the support for both comes from the exact same people; New York, London, and Washington, DC. David) Number 10 of the Communist rules for revolution captured at Dusseldorf Germany in 1919 reads... 10. "Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscating them and leaving the population helpless"... "Our main agenda is to have all guns banned of course. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sarah Brady 1994 National Educator. ARMING OF COMMUNIST CHINA Rep. Tancredo, House of Representatives, May 26, 1999 Mr. Speaker, the mantra of the Democrats this day has been gun control. But Mr. Speaker, it is very, very difficult to entrust this administration and that side of the aisle with gun control when they have been so unsuccessful with arms control. Many are calling the information revealed in the Cox Report the scandal of the century. There are two major scandals detailed in this impressive bipartisan report. There was a national security breakdown in the Energy Department labs, a breakdown that started in the 1970s and became nearly total beginning in 1993 under an administration that has never taken national security issues seriously. And there is an even bigger scandal, the effort to downplay, to cover up and to thwart investigations into the first scandal when it became known in 1995. I repeat, the bigger of the two scandals is not that China successfully spied on the U.S., but the almost incomprehensible reaction to that fact when it was discovered in 1995. The biggest scandal of all is the arming of the communist Chinese after hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign contributions to the Democratic Party. Published in the Jun. 7, 1999 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1999 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact. (But, this does make sense when you know where the power behind Communism really is; London and New York. And, when you know that the arming of Communist China is aimed at control of America when as much disarming has been done as is possible. Those in Washington, DC, are not your friends; they are the worst enemies you have. David) U.S. NUCLEAR ARSENAL COMPROMISED Rep. Schaffer, House of Representatives, May 26, 1999 Mr. Speaker, people in the White House talk an awful lot about the children. Well, today, our children are a lot less safe and a lot less secure because our entire nuclear arsenal has been compromised. Communist China acquired our most sophisticated technology, some by theft but even more right through the front door. This administration has sold the Chinese communists high-speed supercomputers, sophisticated satellite launch technology, state-of-the-art machine tools and ultra sophisticated nuclear energy design technology. Communist China now sells our technology to Iran and other rogue nations, but we do nothing. The White House covers it up and even denies China has done it. We are discovering now that in 1995 communist China had stolen the crown jewel of our nuclear arsenal and yet this administration did nothing about it. If the President is to be believed, no one even informed the Commander in Chief. Well, now, communist China has 13 nuclear missiles which are more accurate, more deadly, because of White House actions, aimed at our children. Published in the June 7, 1999 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1999 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact New York Times May 30, 1999 Right to Bear Arms: A Second Look http://www.nytimes.com/library/review/053099gun-rights-review.html By WILLIAM GLABERSON The Second Amendment, the orphan of the Bill of Rights, has been written off as a legal backwater for decades. Judges and legal scholars have glossed over its guarantee of the right "to keep and bear arms" as if it were so much propaganda for the National Rifle Association. But now, just as gun control is gaining momentum, the provision one legal scholar calls "the embarrassing Second Amendment" is being taken seriously for the first time in modern memory, with some scholars and at least one federal judge saying it may guarantee individual citizens some rights to guns, after all. Here, for example, is a comment made by one prominent constitutional expert in an interview last week: "It becomes impossible to deny that some right to bear arms is among the rights of American citizens." Charlton [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [jphenry@gci-net.com: Date: 22 Oct 1999 18:19:03 PST On Oct 22, ALLEN BENZ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heston? No. It was Laurence Tribe, the influential liberal constitutional law expert at Harvard Law School who personally favors gun control. Perhaps because there are so many guns already in circulation, most people, polls show, have always believed the Amendment gives individuals a right to firearms. But for some 60 years courts have ruled that the Amendment merely guarantees a collective right to arms -- by state militias, for example and extends no such right to individuals. Now some mainstream legal scholars, including some liberals, say a new expansive interpretation has persuaded them that the Second Amendment may have to be pulled out of the courthouse dustbin. In something of a nightmare for gun-control advocates, a conservative federal judge in Lubbock, Texas, tried to do just that last month. Contrary to all modern legal precedents, the judge, Sam R. Cummings, said the Amendment gives individuals some rights to weapons. He cited new assertions in recent years that the Amendment's history shows it was intended to guarantee individuals such rights. Constitutional experts say it is too early to tell if the Second Amendment will gain real force. But if an individual's right were established under the Second Amendment, courts would have to weigh any gun-control legislation that limits ownership by individuals to determine whether it meets some reasonable governmental purpose. These experts say the Texas case could well go to the Supreme Court. Two justices, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, have indicated that they are sympathetic to the expanded definition of the Second Amendment. But it is unclear whether other justices would agree. Even if the Texas case doesn't get past the federal appeals court where it is now headed in New Orleans, Cummings' ruling shows that the new interpretation of the Second Amendment has given gun advocates rhetorical strength. "There is a certain surface plausibility to interpreting the Second Amendment as protecting a right to private gun ownership," said Michael C. Dorf, a professor of constitutional law at Columbia Law School who favors gun control. "When you dig beneath the surface, you can refute that interpretation but it would be better if we didn't have to engage in that argument at all." Critics have said for several years that the reinterpretation of the Second Amendment is partisan work by scholars supported by the NRA. In a 1995 article in The New York Review of Books, Garry Wills attacked the new scholarship as a simple-minded mixture of "humbug with history." But some constitutional law experts say the recent scholarship proves that the Second Amendment gives citizens a right to weapons. "There was never even a suggestion that it would be appropriate for the national government to deny gun ownership to a private person," said William Van Alstyne, a constitutional law professor at Duke University and a gun owner who said he has been examining the Amendment more closely in recent years. The new scholarship began in the 1980s, when scholars started to challenge the prevailing view of the Amendment. They poked through history and found what they said was clear evidence that the drafters meant to give individuals the right to bear arms. One source they cited was the British Bill of Rights of 1689, which they said was a model for the Second Amendment. The British Bill said, "The subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defense suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law." This and other texts, they said, showed that the Second Amendment was meant to protect private citizens. The new thinking spread beyond the margins of academia. A respected constitutional expert at the University of Texas, Sanford Levinson, argued in an influential 1989 Yale Law Journal article, "The Embarrassing Second Amendment," that the liberal legal establishment had ignored the provision because it could be a barrier to gun control. Such a cold shoulder would never be offered, he said, to Bill of Rights provisions that intellectuals found less embarrassing, like the fashionable First Amendment. Gun-control advocates have worked hard to undermine the new analysis. The Amendment deserved to atrophy, they say, because it is more like the outdated Third Amendment, which prohibits the quartering of troops in peacetime, than the First Amendment, with its modern-sounding free-speech guarantees. Scholars supporting gun control have also mined history for nuggets they say prove the Amendment was limited to collective arms possession. In a law review article last year, Carl T. Bogus, a law professor at Roger Williams University in Bristol, R.I., argued that James Madison included the Second Amendment merely to win support for the Bill of Rights from Southerners who wanted armed units to control slaves. Some of these scholars agree that the language of the British Bill of Rights was reflected in the Second Amendment a century later. But the British Bill's language permitting gun ownership "as allowed by law," they say, was really a form of gun control because there had long been curbs on owning weapons. The purpose of the measure, they say, was to make it clear after the reign of the Catholic King James II that Parliament, not the monarch, would decide who would have what weapons. The back-and-forth is probably just beginning. But it is clear the argument over the Second Amendment has become much more serious than it was only a few years ago. Tribe said he had re-examined the issue because of the recent burst of scholarship. His study of the Amendment's language and historical context, he said, caused him to believe that the provision had been cast aside too easily. But even if there is some individual right to arms, Tribe said, he is persuaded that most existing and proposed gun-control measures would probably be constitutional anyway. Still, he expects legal experts to be startled when they learn that a new edition of his influential treatise, "American Constitutional Law," to be published this summer, will for the first time include an extensive section suggesting that the prevailing view of the Second Amendment as guaranteeing only collective rights to weapons may have been simplistic. "A lot of people who are coming to the conclusion that the Second Amendment is not just limited to the states are themselves quite liberal," Tribe said. 'It's not just the 'hired guns for the NRA."' I want you to please read the above piece carefully, and note how many "lawyers" are involved in this so-called discussion. If you really want to begin to understand where the push for gun control is coming from, start with the American BAR Association, and the International BAR Association as well. And, with all of the secret little clubs, such as the Inns of Court, that these parasites belong too (all leading right back to London, and the bankers thereof). How many "lawyers" (actually, Esquires) are there in your local "government?" In your state "government?" In the national "government?" Identify the enemy, my friends, and it is much easier to defeat him. Blind yourself to his presence, and you will never know what has happened. As more and more people begin to starve to death around the world, because of actions directly related to Washington, DC, perhaps more Americans will begin to understand why judgement will come against them. The United States (not America), is the New World Order, and most of the rest of the world understands this. Please think about this: Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'. I urge you to pass this post on to others, or post it as you see fit to the Internet, unaltered in any way, as others may need to understand what is going on. We all have a moral obligation to help understanding and knowledge spread across America. "But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood." Ezekiel 33:6 (NIV) The cost of liberty is eternal vigilance; this is the lesson that America forgot in the enjoyment of the excess of materialism, and in the orgy of plundering the world with unjust weights and measures. "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened." - Sir Winston Churchill When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. Lawyers: 99.9 percent of them give the rest of the profession a bad name. I don't think you can make a lawyer honest by an act of legislation. You've got to work on his conscience. And his lack of conscience is what makes him a lawyer -- Will Rogers (1879-1935) It also can be said better: When do you know a lawyer is lying? When his mouth is open. The solution is simple ... convince people to stop signing government forms... if their compliance is absolutely, positively required and mandated by law ... then no signature is necessary. For example, no one signs an agreement say that they will not murder. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] SLICK: Letter to Judge Presiding Over Waco Trial (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1999 21:18:16 PST On Oct 22, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Letter to Judge Presiding Over Waco Trial >From: Jackpeace@aol.com >Subj: Wrongful Death Action by Survivors of Waco Stand-Off >John B. Thompson, Attorney >1172 South Dixie Highway, Suite 111 >Coral Gables, Florida 33146 >Phone: 305-666-4366 > >August 24, 1999 > >The Honorable Walter Smith >United States District Court >Waco, Texas VIA E-MAIL > > Re: Information Pertaining to the Branch Davidian Wrongful Death > Action > >Dear Judge Smith: > > I hestitate to intrude regarding the above, but I am privy to certain >information that may lead to the discovery of admissible evidence that may >help inform the jury as to why the unfortunate deaths in Waco at the Branch >Davidian compound occurred. Today's reportage of an FBI Agent's statement >that pyrotechnic grenades were actually used prompts me to approach Your >Honor. > > May I first note that I am rated "A/V" by Martindale-Hubbell, so I do not >make any assertions herein lightly and unmindful of the consequences should >they not be true. > > Secondly, I am record counsel in the much-publicized federal lawsuit >filed in Paducah, Kentucky, in April of this year on behalf of the parents of >the three girls shot and killed in the school shootings there. Having been >on 60 Minutes, Today, CNN, Fox, ABC World News Tonight, and NBC Nightly News, >largely because our suit was filed before the Littleton massacre and >predicted it, because of the commonality of the entertainment products >involved, I am not looking for publicity in that or any other matter. I have >plenty to contend with. I am providing this information because I believe it >my duty as an officer of the court. > > Further, I am a Christian who understands that I do not have the luxury >or privilege of falsely defaming anyone. > > But I do know and can prove the following: I was the last Republican to >run against now Attorney General Janet Reno, having been her opponent in the >general election of 1988 for the office of Dade County (Florida) State >Attorney. > > Janet Reno was then and is now a chronic alcoholic, so inebriated at >times during office hours that she would pass out at her desk here in Miami. >There were five police officers ready, willing, and able to testify at her >Senate confirmation hearings for the office of A.G. that they pulled her over >on five separate occasions for drunk driving while she was State Attorney. >Another individual and I were approached by the Senate Judiciary Committee >with this information. I have spoken with another officer regarding similar >conduct by Ms. Reno. > > After Waco, I was called by senior political reporter David Johnston of >the New York Times, who told me of Reno's drunkenness while she was A.G. I >could go on about this problem she has, including its interplay with her >Parkinson's symptoms, but the point is that Ms. Reno was probably "out of it" >when the decision to make the incursion into the compound was made. She >wasn't operating a vehicle while drunk; she was operating a Department of >Justice while drunk. > > Secondly, and related to what I understand may be some issues in the case >before you, Janet Reno has a very, very, very long history of making up, out >of whole cloth, child abuse and sexual child abuse allegations in order to >burnish her reputation as a child rights advocate. Dorothy Rabinowitz of the >The Wall Street Journal, arguably the dean of all American newpaper >editorialists, exposed this habit of hers, which habit helped secure a >long-standing and completely fabricated criminal conviction of a South Miami >police officer, Grant Snowden. Also, senior editor of Readers Digest, Trevor >Armbrister, also exposed Reno on this propensity to make these things up, >thereby crushing innocent people with false child abuse claims. I say all >this as someone who myself has been a child rights advocate who has >represented sex abuse victims. > > This is relevant because you will recall that Ms. Reno, the night of the >incursion into the compound, stated categorically on Larry King Live on CNN >that the assault occurred in order to save the children from this abuse. She >has since had to admit that no such proof ever existed. She knew at the time >that this was a fabrication. She was not mistaken. She knew she was making >it up. She has built a career upon making such allegations up. > > I believe what I and others can show, then, is that Reno was most likely >impaired by alcohol abuse at the time of the Waco assault, and further that >she knew there was absolutely nothing to the concerns about child abuse. She >lied. > > Your Honor, you know the case before you better than I, but I would >respectfully submit that these bits of information, which can be corroborated >independent of me, may indeed have a bearing upon why and how the >conflagration that ended in the lives of innocent children occurred. I am >willing to state under oath what I know. I am sure others will as well. I >am not sure how best to get this information into the hands of the plaintiffs. > > I will conclude by stating further that the House of Representative's >Majority Counsel for the Impeachment Inquiry, David Schippers, sent his top >two investigators to Miami to debrief me about what I know about Ms. Reno in >the above and other regards, some of it so sensitive that I think it best not >to put it in this e-mail. The next day Mr. Schippers acted upon my >information. It pertains to blackmail. It may provide a further explanation >as to why the Justice Department has been less than forthcoming with the >information as to what really went on at Waco. > > Your honor, if you choose to move on and do nothing with this >information, I shall understand. I happen to believe, however, that the >survivors of what the Justice Department did--killing the children to save >them--have a right to know all that there is to know. > > Respectfully >submitted, > > John B. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: New Bill # HR 1577 (fwd) Date: 23 Oct 1999 09:14:39 PST On Oct 22, David W Shuee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Please feel free to cross post HR 1577 IH 106th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 1577 To establish certain uniform legal principles of liability with respect to manufacturers of products. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES April 27, 1999 Mr. HOSTETTLER (for himself, Mr. NORWOOD, Mr. STUMP, Mr. HAYES, and Mr. TANCREDO) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Commerce, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned A BILL To establish certain uniform legal principles of liability with respect to manufacturers of products. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Interstate Commerce Freedom Act'. SEC. 2. FINDING AND PURPOSE. (a) FINDING- The Congress finds that the free flow of interstate commerce is vitally important to the continued economic vitality of the Nation. (b) PURPOSE- Based upon the powers contained in Article I, section 8, clause 3 of the United States Constitution, the purpose of this Act is to promote the free flow of goods and services and to lessen burdens on interstate commerce by establishing certain uniform legal principles of liability with respect to manufacturers of products that have moved in or that otherwise affect interstate commerce. SEC. 3. RELATIONSHIP TO STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. (a) RELATIONSHIP TO STATE LAWS- This Act preempts the laws of any State to the extent that State laws are inconsistent with this Act, except that this Act shall not preempt any State law that provides greater protections from liability for manufacturers. (b) RELATIONSHIP TO FEDERAL LAWS- Nothing in this Act may be construed to supersede or alter any other Federal law. SEC. 4. LIABILITY OF MANUFACTURER FOR HARM PROXIMATELY CAUSED BY CRIMINAL OR INTENTIONALLY TORTIOUS ACT OF ANOTHER. In any civil action brought in any State or Federal court alleging liability of a manufacturer for harm resulting from a product of the manufacturer, the manufacturer shall not be liable for such harm if a proximate cause of the harm was a criminal or intentionally tortious act of a person other than the manufacturer. SEC. 5. LIABILITY OF MANUFACTURER FOR HARM RESULTING FROM SALE OR MARKETING OF PRODUCT. In any civil action brought in any State or Federal court alleging liability of a manufacturer for harm resulting from any sale or marketing of a product of the manufacturer, the manufacturer shall not be liable for such harm unless the manufacturer failed to substantially comply with a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of such product and such failure was a proximate cause of the harm. SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS. For purposes of this Act, the following definitions shall apply: (1) CLAIMANT- The term `claimant' means a person who brought the civil action against the manufacturer, or a person on whose behalf the civil action was brought. (2) HARM- The term `harm' includes any physical, nonphysical, economic, or noneconomic loss. (3) MANUFACTURER- The term `manufacturer' means, with respect to a product, any person who produced, created, made, constructed, or designed the product. (4) PRODUCT- The term `product' means any object or substance produced, created, made, constructed, or designed for commercial or personal use that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate commerce. (5) STATE- The term `State' means any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and any other territory or possession of the United States, or any political subdivision of any of the foregoing. SEC. 7. APPLICABILITY. This Act shall apply to any civil action commenced after the date of enactment of this Act. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 47 (fwd) Date: 23 Oct 1999 09:15:32 PST On Oct 23, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =A9 1999 Rich Martin Permission to repost in full, or in part, is granted. You are encouraged to pass this message on to anyone=20 who might be interested in its contents. Better yet, print a=20 copy for a friend who is not on-line. Any and all comments=20 on the subject matter are always welcome. Do NOT use your reply button. Send them to: Slick-D@egroups.com=20 To join the Slick discussion group,=20 Click here ---->slick-d-s= ubscri be@egroups.com and read what others are saying about these issues.=20 From the Desk of Rich Martin P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com "If you want to conquer fear, don't sit at home [in your=20 undershorts] and think about it. Go our and get busy." =20 Henry Wadsworth Longfellow=20 _______________________________________________=20 Happy World Series, 1999 Last week the paper was promoting a plan to widen I-35=20 to 16 lanes in Ft worth and 20 lanes in Dallas! This week=20 the EPA is telling us we've got to cut down the amount we=20 drive and how fast we drive, or they will unilaterally impose=20 economic sanctions on the region. The double nickel=20 fedl edict is about to be re-imposed. They also have a "new=20 and improved" fuel for our cars which will only cost a dime=20 more and cut mileage 10%. It will replace the carcinogen- laced fuel they now force us to use. Questions, when will=20 they issue gas ration stamps and where is the revolution?=20 It's not a matter of IF or WHEN we'll have a revolution.=20 The question is: is it going to be (relatively) bloodless=20 like the USSR's, or one in the American tradition. Lincoln's=20 war cost US 10% of the existing population. That's a hefty=20 price to pay, even for freedom. (Had the South prevailed in=20 the Civil War, historians would have named it Revolutionary=20 War II.)=20 =20 When I first put the above thought into words, Peggy=20 replied, "ARE YOU CRAZY? USSR?" She knew instinctively, it was not a politically correct position to espouse. But=20 today, it's not nearly so radical. I get more and more e-mails every day of people promoting a peaceful revolution.=20 (That's Resolution with an "v".) And I'm not talking about=20 hot heads, terrorists or political extremists. They're well- thought-out essays, with measured words, often eloquent.=20 You've got a computer. You see them too. Reasoned arguments=20 trying to convince you to boycott this, or write that to=20 your congressman. Like death and taxes, the revolution is=20 inevitable.=20 I belong to one list that writes a letter for=20 congressional consumption. They send it to everyone on the=20 list, and after we approve it, it gets re-sent to our=20 individual Congressmen under our signature!=20 I'll be at Las Vegas' Harrah's Nov 3 to 5. Any=20 suggestions on how to pass the time? How Slick is Slick?=20 The prez says the GOP are isolationists. Well, if=20 opposing the bombing of European capitals while ignoring the=20 turnover of the Panama Canal we built is isolationism, I'll=20 wear the badge proudly.=20 T he Salt Lake Tribune -- Babbitt Gets Feisty=20 O J RE-VISITED Playing 18 holes of solo golf in the dark!!! As Rush=20 pointed out, we haven't heard a story like that since=20 Nicole Brown-Simpson & Ron Goldman were murdered.=20 Where's Hillary? BEST of the WACO-GROUP LIST Written in response to an e-mail written in the same vein. Amen Brother Meyer!!!! This is the ticket. Interaction=20 with our local officials. Give them the courage to do what=20 is right. Send the ones that don't back to private sector.=20 Educate, promote, communicate the peaceful return back to=20 the 1791 constitutional form of Federal Government. Most=20 governing should happen at the town and county level then=20 State. We can do this peacefully. Truth is the ultimate=20 weapon against tyranny. Floyd F. Meyer, Sovereign American=20 Citizen (in service of my country)=20 waco-group archi= ves< /A> The Militarization of America: Par= t 2< /A>=20 DOW JONES Does anyone on this list have factual knowledge to=20 confirm my suspicions that the feds are again tapping into=20 the Fedl Employee Retirement Trust Fund, this time to prop=20 up the stocks used to determine the Dow-Jones?=20 MEDIACRATS How come the mass media isn't repeating their usual=20 phraseology: if the election were held today, George Bush=20 would win by.....instead they say the George W campaign has=20 amassed an unconscionable $60 mil war chest---and then go on=20 to repeating mythical cocaine rumors. BIG LABOR =20 Big Labor has announced they will spend $46 mil to oust =20 35 conservative Congressmen in 15 states. Rank & File, take=20 note of where your dues are going. $46 mil could pay your=20 dental insurance.=20 EDUCATION PBS radio reported that they found 2 parents at the back=20 of a room at a school function hosting George W. that were=20 not happy with him. "He didn't say anything about class- size," but then went on to say when they asked him directly,=20 he said he'd defer that decision to the local school boards.=20 If that's saying nothing, I'm a blue blood eastern=20 establishment liberal. They just don't get it. BILL OF RIGHTS END RUN America's most famous gun manufacturer, Colt, has=20 announced it will drop 7 product lines and the civilian=20 population as customers. UPS has led the way in driving up=20 firearm shipping costs by banning ground shipments. Two doz=20 law suits have made corps look at the bottom line. In the=20 spirit of the 2nd amendment, may all their offspring have=20 bald heads and live in servitude ever more.=20 ECONOMY The average family of four, the feds say, earns $39K=20 annually, with both parents working. They go on to say, a=20 single mother with half the income is below the poverty=20 line, and so is her children. (Wonder if they're counting=20 her food stamps and child support payments.) INFLATION Last month's Wholesale Price Index (WPI), a leading=20 indicator, jumped 1.7%. Last year they only admitted 1.3%=20 increase in the CPI. Seniors will see a 2.4% increase in=20 their benefits next year. Congress has doubled the prez=20 salary and given themselves increases exceeding the=20 inflation rate. =20 TOBACCO DEAL The great state of Fla has opened the gates to bankrupt=20 the American tobacco industry. I wonder if they've given any=20 thought who will fill the void they are trying to create. Do=20 you prefer Canadian Navy cuts, or Red China's Pagoda, the=20 world's largest cig manufacturer? KATHIE'S KORNER I tell you, we in California are trailblazers. We=20 invented the Reverse Robin Hood. Why rob the rich to give to=20 the poor, when the poor are so numerous and so uneducated...=20 and stealing from the rich can be so difficult and dangerous?=20 Can't we get the same glow from stealing from the poor and=20 giving the booty to the rich? Of course! So about 10 years=20 ago, we persuaded these poor dummies to tax themselves a=20 quarter-cent to create an open=3Dspace district. Since then the=20 county collects $12 million a year in SALES TAXES, the most=20 regressive taxes there are. This money is then blatantly=20 GIVEN to wealthy property owners in return for promises that=20 last forever, like "the check is in the mail" promises. These=20 promises go something like "I solemnly promise and do swear=20 not to develop the back 40, which never was worth much=20 anyway, going straight up a granite rockface, in return for=20 the million dollars cash you hand my way." Lately the vast=20 unwashed of the county have been agitating for the right to=20 hike on what they mistakenly think of as "their" lands, to=20 the mild dismay of the property owners. Pray for America! =20 Reply to: Kathie =20 JUSTICE WASHINGTON STATE STYLE The infamous Washington state HRS Dept of King County=20 were accused of 60-Minutes 2 last week, of railroading Bill=20 & Cathy Swan, who each served 3 yrs for a crime they did=20 not commit. Lot's of innocent people were imprisoned because=20 media like CBS convinced jurists that "children don't lie."=20 The program featured their now 17-year-old daughter who said=20 her parents were falsely accused. Her testimony, and that of=20 her little sister, were delivered in court by proxies from=20 the HRS! America, don't you just love it? PANAMA CANAL Isn't it ironical, the very nation we carved out of=20 Columbia to host our Atlantic-Pacific shortcut, has turned=20 on US after we rescued them from their leader. We kept their=20 casualties minimal, didn't we? Now they seem to be inviting=20 the world's most populous nation in to protect them from=20 another foray. They act like they don't trust US. REMEMBER THE GOOD OLE DAYS... when our govt wasn't interested to making war vs nations=20 incapable of harming US, but would not hesitate to enforce=20 the Monroe Doctrine vs the world's only other super-power. when parochial schools were affordable and plentiful. when it was better to let 10 guilty men go free than to=20 imprison one innocent man? World's Smallest=20 Political Quiz=20 THIS SPACE FOR RENT Reliable Internet Access for only $14.95 a month. Over 600 access numbers in 26 States and growing. Cyber77-ISP, web hosts, unlimited access,=20 high-speed servers=20 If you have your own web site, you know it's not enough=20 to be on the internet with 30,000,000 geeks. Oh, search=20 engines are great---for the other guy, but wouldn't you=20 prefer to be a little more direct? Instead of trying to=20 reach millions of people who can't spell your name, here's=20 your chance to target thousands of politically active=20 people like yourself. Send e-mail for details to RichSlick. PARTING THOUGHT "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations=20 has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed=20 through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from=20 spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty;=20 from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness;=20 from selfishness to complacency; from complaceny to apathy;=20 from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again into=20 bondage." -- Fraser Tyler, English historian.=20 * * * * *=20 Subscribe to this Slick e-zine featuring Kathie's Korner, and receive absolutely free, a copy of Rich's Major Media=20 Mailing List containing over 400 e-mail addresses. To=20 subscribe, send your check for $24.95 to the address at the=20 top of this message. Be sure to include your e-mail address. Anyone wishing to carry Slick at their WWW site should=20 contact me by e-mail. Having the current Slick updated once or twice a week gives visitors a reason to come back soon. THE TRUTH IS...=20 A. Powerful. C. In the eye of the beholder.=20 B. Irrelevant. D. All of the above. Get A 0% Intro APR Visa with Instant Approval right now a GetSmart.com at http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/1264 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/richslick http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: New Bill # HR 1577 (fwd) Date: 23 Oct 1999 12:25:56 -0500 At 09:12 AM 10/23/1999 PST, Bill Vance wrote: >On Oct 22, David W Shuee wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >Please feel free to cross post > >HR 1577 IH > > 106th CONGRESS > > 1st Session > > H. R. 1577 > >To establish certain uniform legal principles of liability with respect >to >manufacturers of products. > > IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES > > April 27, 1999 > >Mr. HOSTETTLER (for himself, Mr. NORWOOD, Mr. STUMP, Mr. HAYES, and Mr. >TANCREDO) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the >Committee >on the Judiciary, >and in addition to the Committee on Commerce, for a period to be >subsequently determined by the >Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within >the jurisdiction of the >committee concerned > > > > A BILL > >To establish certain uniform legal principles of liability with respect >to >manufacturers of products. > > Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the >United >States of America in > Congress assembled, > >SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. > > This Act may be cited as the `Interstate Commerce Freedom Act'. > >SEC. 2. FINDING AND PURPOSE. > > (a) FINDING- The Congress finds that the free flow of interstate >commerce is vitally important > to the continued economic vitality of the Nation. > > (b) PURPOSE- Based upon the powers contained in Article I, section 8, >clause 3 of the United > States Constitution, the purpose of this Act is to promote the free >flow >of goods and services > and to lessen burdens on interstate commerce by establishing certain >uniform legal principles of > liability with respect to manufacturers of products that have moved >in >or that otherwise affect > interstate commerce. Mien Gott! Someone actually understands that "regulate" meant to make function properly, whether in the Interstate Commerce Clause, or the Second Amendment. Since at least the 1930s, most politicians, but most especially those of the Ass party, seem to think it meant "restrict" or "restricted" in both cases. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [harpazo] Fwd: A Joke A Day (Friday ... October 15, 1999) (fwd) Date: 23 Oct 1999 22:21:15 PST Worth a chuckle.....:-) On Oct 23, Tammy wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi all, Thought this was cute. Love, Tammy S. > >Eden Wear > > > >A little boy opened the big and old family Bible with fascination and > >looked at the old pages as he turned them. Suddenly, something fell out > >of the Bible, and he picked it up and looked at it closely. > > > >It was an old leaf from a tree that had been pressed in between the > >pages. > > > >"Momma, look what I found," the boy called out. > > > >"What have you got there, dear?" his mother asked. > > > >With astonishment in the young boy's voice, he answered: "I think it's > >Adam's suit!" [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Christian Cross Banned (fwd) Date: 24 Oct 1999 11:19:39 PST On Oct 24, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ======================================= NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/ ======================================= For release: October 22, 1999 ======================================= For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: 76214.3676@Compuserve.com ======================================= School's ban on cross necklaces is Christian-bashing, say Libertarians WASHINGTON, DC -- A threat by an Alabama school to discipline an 11-year-old girl for wearing a cross necklace shows why you can't trust government schools to protect religious freedom, the Libertarian Party said today. "Students go to school to learn -- but what kind of lesson do they learn when the government says that wearing a cross is a crime?" asked Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "It seems the lesson of the day in Alabama is Religious Intolerance 101." Earlier this month, attorneys for Kandice Smith, a sixth-grader at Curry Middle School in Walker County, Alabama, filed a lawsuit in federal court to overturn what they called an "unconstitutional" dress code. In August, the school banned cross necklaces as part of its new dress code -- claiming they are "gang symbols." School officials threatened to discipline Smith if she didn't hide the cross under her clothes. But Smith's attorneys argue the policy "violates the free speech and free exercise rights [of Smith] by denying her the ability to express her faith through the visible wearing of the necklace." The lawsuit also charges that the school "demonstrates a hostility toward religion." Dasbach said Libertarians agree -- but have a better solution. "Any dress code that bans a popular Christian symbol is clearly unconstitutional, and we're confident the court will agree. But changing this particular school's dress code isn't the answer," he said. "After all, if Kandice Smith wins, the problem will be solved at Curry Middle School. But it doesn't change the fact that thousands of government school districts all across the country have the power to implement a similar anti-Christian ban tomorrow. "And it doesn't change the fact that government schools routinely teach values and beliefs that many Christians find abhorrent -- while forcing them to pay taxes to subsidize those schools. That's why this lawsuit won't solve the real problem." So what will? "Most Christians support a separation of church and state because they understand that government should not come between people's relationship with their God," said Dasbach. "What Libertarians understand is that we need a separation of school and state for the same reason: To protect children like Kandice Smith from the kind of religious intolerance she is experiencing at a government school." That's why the underlying problem will only be solved when America starts moving toward a system where children are educated in free-market, religious, or voluntary community schools -- not tax-funded government schools, he said. "In a free-market system -- where people aren't forced to subsidize costly, failing government schools -- parents would be able to send their children to schools that teach their values, and respect their beliefs," said Dasbach. "In a free-market system, Kandice Smith's parents wouldn't be forced to send her to a school that makes wearing a cross a crime." The idea of moving away from government-run schools and towards private alternatives can be somewhat unsettling for many Christians, Dasbach acknowledged. "But remember this: Jesus Christ was sentenced to death by his government," he said. "So, do you want to blindly trust our government to educate your children properly -- especially after what it's done to Kandice Smith?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOBIDIdCSe1KnQG7RAQHmQgQAkqJLwTaYmU8lfPSn2ol9uw4j2sEVA91P t3cC4QUYQpBICgZ+ZHoRyTMjKd4Ys4tU0HNVj4ApdR8x8eIBFYlYoCNQWx2ltCRX 1gaFGbirTuWmN6fiK5JzyS6LuvO7PdVRK+o39+RayFUAVc5gffnm+kMv2fFK11Lw ePSIahCVKTc= =h3ZJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 For subscription changes, please mail to with the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject line -- or use the WWW form. ******************************************************************* A couple of times a week, on average, I forward messages that I consider to be worthwhile. Occasionally I may be inspired to write a brief editorial. 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Douds, 339 U.S. 382,442 ----- World's Smallest Political Quiz http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ Fully Informed Jury Association http://www.fija.org/ Gun Owners of America http://www.gunowners.org/ Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://www.JPFO.org/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Report: Congress panel may test Waco bullets Date: 24 Oct 1999 14:11:43 -0500 Full story at: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991024/15/crime-davidians WASHINGTON (Reuters) - One of the congressional committees investigating the assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, may order ballistic tests on some bullet casings found at an FBI sniper position, according to a New Yorker magazine story to be published Monday. A report by the Texas Rangers subpoenaed by a House panel and made public last month said ammunition often used by snipers was found in a house used by both the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). The report said twelve .308-caliber shell casings and 24 .223-caliber shell casings were found at the house. The New Yorker story said the congressional panel, which was not named, wants to determine who fired the .308-caliber bullet and when they were fired. The FBI has denied that its agents fired any shots during the standoff and assault. The ATF used the house during a fierce gunfight with the cult on Feb. 28, 1993, that started the siege. According to the New Yorker story, the FBI contends that the shots were fired during the Feb. 28 incident. Attorneys for the surviving Davidians argue that the shots may have come later, from the gun of Lon Horiuchi, an FBI sharpshooter who was also involved in the 1992 standoff at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. ... The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PROFILING -- OR DEFILING? (fwd) Date: 26 Oct 1999 08:29:53 PST On Oct 26, JASPAR@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] "MOSAIC-2000" PROJECT: PROFILING -- OR DEFILING? by JASPAR@aol.com The New York Times (October 24, 1999) had a feature story headlined, "Computer Project Seeks to Avert Youth Violence." The BATF "is working with a threat-evaluation company to develop a computer program to help school administrators spot troubled students who might be near the brink of violence." Andrew Vita, associate director for field operations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said, "I think it's a wonderful tool that has a great deal of potential ...." The national pilot program, called "Mosaic-2000," will begin testing in December at more than 20 schools. The Times articles concludes: "Vita ... says school officials need Mosaic ... to deal with an ever more complex threat in which relatively good students with access to guns may erupt because they feel victimized by bullies or by the school system. 'They're the hard ones for the school administrators to identify,' Vita said. 'It's easy to pick out the gang members with tattoos. It's these other people that kind of surprise administrators, and these are the ones they really need to identify.'" * * * I'm 57 years old. What if I were eight years old again, and did today what I did when I was a kid? Where would I fit in "Mosaic-2000"? I shudder when I think about it. I was raised mostly in rural southern California, but graduated from a Los Angeles area high school. My parents bought me a .22 rifle when I was 8. I got a scope for it the next year. I kept it in my bedroom closet -- loaded. I often engaged in pretend "wars," but not with real guns with other kids around. My boy chums and I used rubber band guns. I had 3 air guns. I shot at lizards, snakes, and snails, but no warm-blooded, living thing. In the early 1950s we had nuclear attack drills on Fridays, sirens blaring. We were told to cover our heads and huddle under our school desks. I often drew diagrams of atomic bombs that I had copied from a Life Magazine article. I was in occasional minor fights with my peers. We hurled water-filled tin cans ("bombs") at each other. One time I tossed a can and it landed on top of a kid's head, causing a nasty cut. These water fights ended forever after my parents said, "No more tin can wars." My friends and I built miniature toy towns, complete with stick houses, milk-carton buildings, and dried-mud roads -- in the dirt beneath the trees in our back yard. These towns would last a few days until they were destroyed by bombing, air gun pellets, flood disasters (via garden hose), or invading armies. I must have gone through several hundred metal and plastic toy soldiers, jeeps, tanks, tommy guns and canons. I was hard on my war toys. In our high school creative writing yearbook, I had a short story published about the guy who finally pushed "The Little Red Button," and started a nuclear war, and ended civilization, once and for all. Several of my teachers read my short story out loud to all their classes. The red button reminded the character in the story of his Mom's (and my own Mom's) collection of buttons for sewing that were stored in a glass Mason canning jar. It was a gloomy, disturbing story about doomsday and death. I had cleverly linked doomsday to innocent childhood and household images. I bought and traded and collected "war" comic books, "horror" comics, and "Mad" magazine. I drew countless cartoons of "good" soldiers shooting Commies and Nazis. I loved drawing scenes of Old West-style gunplay: cowboy showdowns, six-guns blazing; Indians killing settlers. My parents bought me soft lead pencils by the box, and reams of blank newsprint for my drawings. At about age 10, I frequently borrowed a .22 semi-auto handgun from my best friend's older brother. I would take the handgun and a brick of ammo (500 rounds) into the nearby hills. For endless, happy hours I imagined I was in gunfights in the old west, or holding off an invading Russian army. Sometimes Dad would drive me way out into the country, and leave me alone for a full day of shooting. The Audie Murphy war movie, "To Hell and Back," was my childhood favorite. "Shane," "The Gunfighter," and "High Noon" were other favorites. These were very violent movies. On several occasions, a mean gang of older kids would try to ambush me as I walked home from school. I was fast. They never caught me. I worried obsessively about what they would do to me if they got me. Each day, I took a different route to get home. The gang lost interest in me. One summer afternoon, when I was about eleven, a much older and stronger neighbor kid came through a side gate in my own back yard and walked up and punched me hard on my nose and broke it. There was blood everywhere. I hardly knew the kid or why he did it. My Dad visited the kid's parents that night, and the kid's parents apologized, and said they would discipline him. The older kid was banned from coming onto our property, or getting anywhere near me. He obeyed. One summer I did almost nothing except build rocket ships. I used the heads cut off from kitchen matches as a propellent for my own crude V-2 missiles. Blam! Whoosh! I can still smell the sulfur and see the clouds of white smoke. Young rocket scientist in the making? Or ... ? I would save my allowance for months before the Fourth of July, but I never had enough money to buy all the cherry bombs, firecrackers, and rockets that I really wanted. We started celebrating in early June. We saved enough cherry bombs to get us through the year, until the next Independence Day. For reasons I can't remember, during some of the long summers of my childhood I could go for weeks without visiting any friends. I had "loner" periods. I would go on reading binges. One summer I read all of Steinbeck, Hemingway, and Zane Gray. I visited the library 3 or 4 times a week, and checked out dozens of war books, and books about guns and their history. And, at the same time, I would also be rereading my strange horror comic books. But I also liked and collected most of Disney's comic books: Donald, Mickey, Goofy, Scrooge. And Superman, too. Donald punished his 3 nephews brutally. Today, Donald would probably be arrested. My senior class in high school had nearly a thousand kids in it. My grade average put me in about the top one percent. I received so many awards I lost track. I belonged to so many clubs that I often forgot to attend meetings. I was an editor of the high school weekly newspaper, and also wrote some stories for the city newspaper. For a few years, when I was 16 and 17, I planned to be a professional cartoonist. My pen and ink drawings -- weird and violent -- were in great demand for yearbook signings. I drew scary cartoons in hundreds of yearbooks. At lunch time, students I didn't even know formed a line, and I drew bloody monsters for them while I ate my lunch, chain smoked cigarettes, and thoroughly enjoyed all the attention. All through junior high and high school, I went plinking with rifles and handguns about every third weekend. Usually alone. But sometimes, as many as a dozen of my buddies would come along with me, all of us armed to the teeth. We carried home our own trash, mostly bullet-riddled cans, spent shell casings, and shredded paper targets. So, what would my Mosaic-2000 profile look like, if I were a student today? I was the kid who loved, owned, and used guns. I had access to any type of gun. I made rockets. I played violent war games. I played pretend "guns," and loved being shot, and practiced rolling down hills, mortally wounded. I "died" a thousand times. I drew pictures of guns and bombs at my big desk in my bedroom. I got my nose broken by a bully, and I fantasized about getting even. I was often terrorized by nasty kids who were bigger and stronger, and certainly would have hurt me if I had given them the opportunity. I wrote stories about doom and disaster. I loved horror-type comic books. I did realistic crayon drawings of hydrogen bomb mushroom clouds. But. I never "crossed the line." I was never arrested. I never broke the law. None of us did. It never occurred to me -- or to my friends and enemies -- actually to kill another human. I was told to never point a real gun at any human, and I never did. Neither did my friends, and most of them owned real guns. Occasionally I saw real firearms, knives, and bayonets at school. A father had got the bayonet in the Philippines during the war. Maybe a kid was going shooting somewhere after school. Kids wanted to show the class the gun they used on a recent hunting trip. Some were in ROTC. But no gun was ever fired, and no one got stabbed, at any school I attended. A gun or knife at school was no big deal. In the lower grades, carrying a realistic-looking toy cap pistol was the rule, not the exception. Fads came and went. Why didn't I -- or my bloodthirsty little pals -- act out our violent fantasies? Why didn't our games become real? We all had plenty of pain and fear as we grew up. Some of us were seriously abused. We had motivation. We had the means. We had the opportunity. Looking back from today, I try to remember the barriers, the limits. Most of all, I guess I was stopped by fear. Fear of hurting ... anyone, friend or enemy. Fear of the consequences. If I had done something unspeakable, it would have hurt my parents most of all. I could never do anything to hurt them. Mom and Dad. And "what will the neighbors think?" There is stupendous power in that phrase: *What will they think?* My poor family would have died of ... shame. And so would my friends. And my teachers. The whole damn town. I would have been ashamed, embarrassed, guilty, wrong, and sick to death. I would have died of humiliation even before they picked me up and took me away. I would have let everyone down. And there was one other barrier. Even if I could have survived the judgment of my family, our neighbors, my friends, my teachers and myself ... there was something else waiting to get me, something to answer to, someone to judge and punish me terribly. God. Yes, I definitely "had the fear of God in me," and I knew He would have been outraged if I did something truly evil. There would be no escape from Him, not ever. But back to the present. Again, what do you suppose my Mosaic-2000 profile would look like today? To say the times have changed is an under statement. We've been in a kind of revolution since the 1960s, and, as someone once said, "When you are in the revolution, it's awfully hard to see it." When I grew up, reasonable nonconformity was encouraged. Conformity was considered anti-individualistic. Individualism was highly valued. The most-admired kids I knew were often "lovable" eccentrics, the kids who dared to be different. The kids who didn't fit the mold. To call someone a nonconformist was usually a compliment. But nowadays, in the wake of a number of recent tragedies perpetrated by psychotic young people using guns and bombs, all the nation's youth are going to pay. The final price tag for this new hyper-surveillance, driven by the "if it saves just one life" mind set, and enhanced by ultra-cutting edge technology, has not been fully revealed -- not yet. But I have a suspicion that we are already well down that proverbial road that's paved with the usual good intentions. Or, as my Dad would say, "This country's goin' to hell in a hand basket." It seems like my old childhood playmates and I -- the heavy readers, the loners, the gun lovers, the artists, the writers, the eccentrics, the nonconformists -- these will be next year's "different" children, the suspect children who the watchers will be watching. Conformity will be king. I can't hear the sounds yet with my ears, but before I go to sleep at night, I am starting to hear them in my heart. Sometimes it sounds like marching boots, somewhere in the distance, still out of sight. Or the soft, sickening sound of book pages being burned. Or of doors, somewhere, being quietly closed. And other doors being kicked and broken down. *"It's these other people that kind of surprise administrators, and these are the ones they really need to identify."* Problem is, of course, is that all of us are "other people" to "other people," somewhere, sometime. And if we can't understand that, then it's already too late for all of us. Copyright © 1999 JASPAR@aol.com. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Religion versus equality: Can landlords "discriminate" against Date: 26 Oct 1999 09:24:49 PST On Oct 26, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It is absolutely appropriate for government to require non-discrimination in government and from government contractors. However, it is not the business of the government to tell a private property owner who they must rent to. Private property is just that, private. As in non-governmental. I will be the first to choose to avoid doing business with those who discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, etc., but just as it is my right to do business or not to do business with those I prefer or do not prefer, it is the absolute right of a private property owner to rent or not rent to whomever they please for whatever reason they please. Politicians learned a long time ago to pass new laws intended to gain additional votes. We need to get rid of the politicians and elect principled candidates who support the Constitution. Vote for a Libertarian Party candidate, or a third party candidate, or an independent candidate. If there are none running for a particular office, vote against the incumbent. Almost all incumbents, with only very rare exceptions like Ron Paul, are politicians. We need to get rid of the politicians. I was very encouraged to hear that Michael Reagan said this evening on his national radio show that the Libertarian Party is the only viable alternative to the old two parties. for Liberty (for all), Bill Utterback -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ======================================= NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/ ======================================= For release: October 25, 1999 ======================================= For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: 76214.3676@Compuserve.com ======================================= Religion versus equality: Can landlords "discriminate" against unwed couples? WASHINGTON, DC -- A federal court should uphold the right of Americans to refuse to rent apartments to unmarried couples if such behavior violates a landlord's religious beliefs, the Libertarian Party said today. "For many Americans, there is a higher power than government anti-discrimination laws -- and it's the word of God," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "Americans should never be put in the position of having to choose between the Bible and some government regulation." Last week, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco overturned a previous ruling that said laws against housing discrimination violated the religious freedom of two landlords in Anchorage, Alaska. The landlords had declined to rent to unmarried couples because they did not want to "facilitate the sin" of unwed people living together. A new 11-judge panel will now hear the case, and decide whether sincere religious beliefs can exempt landlords from housing discrimination laws. No date has yet been set for the hearing. Attorneys general from Alaska, California, Hawaii, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington support the new hearing, arguing that the government's interest in preventing "discrimination" trumps any personal religious beliefs. The Libertarian Party disagrees, said Dasbach. "Politicians should not have the right to force religious people to commit a sin in the name of government-mandated equality," he said. "In effect, the politicians are telling religious people: Your belief in the Bible doesn't matter. Your belief in the Ten Commandments doesn't matter. And that's the real discrimination here: Politicians are trying to place themselves above people's belief in God." Besides, noted Dasbach, the government is also guilty of the crime of racial bias -- since it proudly mandates discrimination via affirmative action programs, racially gerrymandered voting districts, quotas, minority business set-asides, and a host of other actions. "Politicians seem to think that a belief in government-enforced equality is a proper reason to discriminate, while a belief in God is not," said Dasbach. "Apparently, politicians pray to a higher power -- the power to force people to behave in government-approved ways." And here's another issue, he said: Exactly how far can the government go in its efforts to make any kind of rental "discrimination" illegal? "For example, can a church refuse to rent commercial space to devil worshipers? Can the NAACP refuse to rent to the Ku Klux Klan? Can the Gay & Lesbian Alliance refuse to rent to a group of homophobes? "In other words, should politicians be able to force any American to rent to organizations or individuals holding views that are profoundly antithetical to their religious, moral, or political values?" The answer for Libertarians is clear, he said: No -- and that's why politicians should get out of the business of meddling in the private economic decisions of Americans. "Ultimately, this isn't a matter of religious freedom, but economic freedom," he said. "It's a matter of recognizing that apartments are not government-owned commodities that politicians have a right to control and distribute. It's a matter of recognizing that in a free society, people have the right to make economic decisions based on whatever factors they choose -- whether religious, financial, or personal -- even if those decisions are politically unpopular." To move towards such a goal, Libertarians have a "religious" suggestion for politicians, said Dasbach. 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If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field. If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field. for Liberty (for all), Bill Utterback butterb@connecti.com ----- "We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors would all become wolves." Thomas Jefferson "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." Samuel Adams "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds, 339 U.S. 382,442 ----- World's Smallest Political Quiz http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ Fully Informed Jury Association http://www.fija.org/ Gun Owners of America http://www.gunowners.org/ Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://www.JPFO.org/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FWD.doc (fwd) Date: 28 Oct 1999 06:33:16 PST Well, we do seem to have gotten an awful lot of mileage out of l' Marquis de Laffayette.....:-) On Oct 27, luke speer wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sent to me by a friend I write to in Houston TX. her comment quoted here: "Makes me want to get a flag pole" :-) Deb I have already told her to stop thinking about it and "do it".. America: The Good Neighbor Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States Dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar, or the Douglas10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you findmen on the moon - - not once, but several times - - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the American who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those. "If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." ~ ~ EDWARD ABBEY (1927-1989) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pukanecz@exchange.vt.edu Subject: Nother Gun Poll Date: 28 Oct 1999 13:02:50 -0400 http://www.usatoday.com/news/nfront.htm It's close now, but you can make it closer. _VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_VT_ Todd Pukanecz Virginia Tech, CALS & 229 Dist Ed Blacksburg, Virginia --- "Gun Control? That's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Saftey locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." -- Sammy "the Bull" Gravano - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Gun Ban Vote in New York City (fwd) Date: 28 Oct 1999 19:32:01 PST On Oct 28, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Gun Ban Vote in New York City Call all your friends in New York City, by Clifford D. Weiss On election day, the wheels will be set in motion to suspend the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights -- right here in the City of New York. Further below follows the text of the "Ballot Question" that the emotionally driven liberal and naive sheep of NYC will most likely pass by their vote on this Election Day. It is imperative that we get the word out regarding the New York City Charter change proposal on next weeks ballot. It will ban ownership of all firearms (except police) from within 1,000 feet of all schools. In high density areas such as this, everybody is within 1,000 feet of a school. That's three and one third (3-1/3) football fields in distance. Look at a map and take a walk around your neighborhood. How many schools will you find within that radius? Remember, the Charter change says "every school" and "any school." That would include public, private, and parochial day care, nursery, kindergarten, elementary, middle, high schools, and colleges. I'm 1,000 feet from four schools (not counting at least three "day care schools"). If it passes, honest citizens will become "ipso facto felons," or they will submit to confiscation to remain law abiding. WE MUST GET THE WORD OUT TO ALL PRO CIVIL RIGHTS / SECOND AMENDMENT REGISTERED VOTERS IN NEW YORK CITY! You know that if this infringement of the Bill of Rights is passed and judicial challenges fail, it is just a matter of time before it spreads to the state level and beyond -- like an infectious plague. I quote its relevant sections word for word below: ************* BALLOT QUESTION Proposal Recommended By The New York City Charter Revision Commission September 1, 1999 Question 1 -- Charter Change Should the changes to the City Charter, as proposed by the Charter revision Commission, be adopted? Among these changes are: * creating "gun free" school safety zones within 1000 feet of every school in the City, and requiring people purchasing or obtaining firearms to purchase or to obtain safety locks for all firearms and to use safety locks when storing all firearms; (There are six other proposed changes listed in addition to the one I quoted above). ABSTRACT These proposed amendments would revise the Carter of the City of New York as follows: Gun-Free School Safety Zones and Gun Safety-Locking Devices Currently, neither the Charter nor the Administrative Code prohibits gun possession near schools. This proposal would provide for the creation of "gun-free" school safety zones by making it illegal for individuals to possess of or discharge any weapon (including handguns, pistols, rifles, shotguns, assault weapons and machine guns) within 1,000 feet of any school in the City. Violators would be subject to criminal and civil penalties. This proposal would provide for certain exceptions and affirmative defenses. It would not apply to police or federal law enforcement officers. Currently, the Charter does not contain any gun safety lock requirements, but the Administrative Code provides that rifles and shotguns be sold with a safety-locking device that , if operative, would prevent individuals from pulling a weapon's trigger. This proposal would require that all weapons, including handguns and pistols, have safety-locking devices when they are purchased or obtained and that safety-locking devices be used at all times in storing all firearms. Violators would face criminal and civil penalties. ************* Please try the following web site hypertext links for the full text of the complete Ballot Question; Proposal Recommended By The New York City Charter Revision Commission, September 1, 1999: New York City's Official Web Site: NYC LINK - The Official New York City Web Site or, http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/home.html I just found the proposal in PDF (portable document format) at this web page: http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/charter/html/recommend.html Please spread the word like the night ride for liberty by Paul Revere. Thank you. With Liberty, Clifford D. Weiss, CPO **************************** The 2ndAmendmentNews Team The way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights of others. 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May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. -- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776. ====================================================================== **** Firearms Ownership is a RIGHT, not a privilege **** *** This list is for the exchange of 2nd Amendment *** **** information & other Constitutional Issues **** To post a new message to the list, send E-mail to paul-revere@frostbit.com. 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Please take note of the attached article from USA Today newspaper. In the article, you will see that the Pentagon is paying $171.50 for hammers and NASA has paid $600.00 for a toilet seat. Please find enclosed four toilet seats (value $2400) and six hammers (value $1029). This brings my total payment to $3429.00. Please note the overpayment of $22.00 and apply it to the "Presidential Election Fund," as noted on my return. Might I suggest you the send the above mentioned fund a 1.5 inch screw." (See attached article...HUD paid $22.00 for a 1.5 inch phillips head screw.) It has been a pleasure to pay my tax bill this year, and I look forward to paying it again next year. Sincerely, A satisfied taxpayer >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [ DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GET "A LICENSE"] (fwd) Date: 29 Oct 1999 09:09:49 PST On Oct 29, D. D. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thought this might perk up some interest into why we have so much interference we have to trudge through. Your Servant for LIBERTY, Rick ;-)> ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 12:03 PM State 3rd Party in Marriage!// Factor often cited as legal basis for taking children Keep the state OUT of your marriage! If they're already part of it, Gwenn tells how to get them out. NewsHawk® Inc. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -------- Original Message -------- This guy is suing to get a divorce from the state! If you ever doubted that when you get a marriage license, and you ask permission of the state, doubt no more. Here are the actual case references. When the state is a third party to your marriage, they have the right to take your children away. Child Welfare Services, and other Health departments that take children out of the home, cite this authority. The children actually belong to the state, not to you. To get out of this, parents have to rescind their marriage license. If you want to know how to rescind your marriage license, query Richard McDonald who sent this little gem to me, and if you use his services, be sure to give him a generous donation. If you are contemplating marriage, don't ask the state. Your minister's signature on the marriage certificate, and posting your marriage date and some details in a public place makes it legal enough. Gwenn [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Feel good? Read this and weep! (1/2) (fwd) Date: 30 Oct 1999 10:23:39 PST Sorry about all the html, but that's the way it came. 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DOWN WITH THE FASCIST NEW WORLD ORDER!!

Hi Folks,

I'll try to get right to the point here.

Ever since the "Justice" Department decided that the American People were the ENEMY OF THE STATE and decided to track Internet activity and email communications of private, law abiding citizens under the BOGUS excuse that anyone could at anytime be conducting criminal or terrorist activity on the Internet I have been curious as to how this tracking was taking place.

The first method that I found to look at the connections I was making via the Interent was with a little utility that comes with Microsoft Windows 98. The utility is called TRACERT. A friend of mine told me about that utility.

If you want to see how many connections you have to go through in order to get to YOUR ISP, do this: Shell out to the Dos command line and type the following:

TRACERT (YOUR ISP ADDRESS)


As an example, if earthlink.net was your ISP you would type the following:

TRACERT EARTHLINK.NET


The report you will get back will look something like this below: 
Tracing route to www.earthlink.net [207.217.78.100]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1   127 ms   118 ms   111 ms  tnt1.coos-bay.or.da.uu.net [206.115.154.135] 
  2   120 ms   116 ms   120 ms  207.76.37.77 
  3   125 ms   116 ms   120 ms  Fddi0-0.GW1.POR2.ALTER.NET [137.39.44.67] 
  4   129 ms   131 ms   116 ms  121.ATM3-0.XR1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.186] 
  5   125 ms   117 ms   119 ms  195.ATM2-0.TR1.SEA1.ALTER.NET [146.188.200.98] 
  6   164 ms   168 ms   157 ms  110.ATM7-0.TR1.LAX2.ALTER.NET [146.188.137.149] 
  7   158 ms   157 ms   158 ms  199.ATM7-0.XR1.LAX4.ALTER.NET [146.188.248.245] 
  8   169 ms     *        *     193.ATM7-0.GW4.LAX4.ALTER.NET [152.63.113.97] 
  9   153 ms   157 ms   160 ms  earthlink-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.231.222] 
 10   162 ms   169 ms   170 ms  f4-1-0-br02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.1.2] 
 11  f0-0-0-ds01-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.50.142]  reports: Destination net unreachable.

Trace complete.
While that report showed me that I had to actually go through various systems to get to my Earthlink ISP (on line 9) that information really didn't tell me WHERE those various other systems were located *OR* who was operating them. At the time that I was using the TRACERT utility I was quite curious about that 207.76.37.77 address which is shown on line #2.

Just the other day that same friend who had told me about TRACERT called me up and told me about another rather interesting program called VISUAL ROUTE.

What this program did, he said, was that it actually showed you, all the stops or "hops" along the Internet that your telephone connection makes as you log onto the Internet and connect to your ISP. It then can show you how many stops or "hops" your computer connection has made on the Internet as you go about your way browsing the World Wide Web with a web browser.

What this program did, which was rather interesting, It provide some additional information on WHERE those ISP connections were PHYSICALLY located.

The first time I used this program was after I had dialed into the Internet with my web browser. What I did was to log onto the Internet and connect up with Earthlink using my web browser. Then I stopped and loaded up Visual Route and typed in the "earthlink.net" address in the upper left hand corner where it asks for an ISP address. I then clicked the green arrow. The Visual Route program then showed me that IN ORDER TO GET TO MY ISP, Earthlink, I had to **FIRST** go through a whole number of systems INCLUDING a system located in Fairfax, Virginia.

You know what's in Virginia, don't you? That's where Langley Air Force Base is located. That where the Navy keeps major naval intelligence related facilities. Fairfax, Virginia is also where the FBI keeps one of their main national forensic offices.....including information on cyber terrorism! In addition, the CIA also maintains operations out of some offices in Virginia. Interesting, no?

So, just *WHY* do you suppose they are routing ISP connections through Fairfax, Virginia, eh? Well, this is only MY own personal opinion, but what it looks like is that it is *IN* FAIRFAX VIRGINIA that the FBI has set up the Internet monitoring computer system for the purpose of watching U.S. Citizens as they conduct their PRIVATE business affairs on the Internet.

Well, back to the Visual Route program... Are you curious to see if *YOU* are being FIRST routed to Fairfax, Virginia BEFORE being allowed to go anywhere else on the Internet? ( As you will learn later in this letter, not "ALL" U.S. citizens are being tracked like this via Fairfax Virginia.)

Ok then, the first thing you need to do is to download a shareware program called Visual Route.

Here's the url to the official download page of the Visual Route shareware program. The program is a tad over 2 megs in size:

Visual Route Download Page


After you download that program and install it, load it up the next time you are on-line on the Internet with your web browser.

Once the program is loaded up, type in your ISP web address in the upper left-hand corner like what is shown below in the screen captures. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Feel good? Read this and weep! (2/2) (fwd) Date: 30 Oct 1999 10:22:22 PST On Oct 29, hbear@matnet.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

My Internet ISP address is earthlink.net. So, I entered "earthlink.net" in the slot up in the upper left hand corner.

After you enter your ISP address hit that little green arrow next to where you just entered your ISP web address and the Visual Route program will go out and log (list) all the locations (Computer systems) that you had to go through in order to get to your present destination.

What you will see on the Visual Route screen is a ton of information INCLUDING ISP addresses that you have been routed through in order to get to where you are on the Internet.. Look at the screen capture below.

After the program is finished logging in all the various connections you have made look over to the right under LOCATION.

Does your program list FAIRFAX VIRGINIA 22031?

DOWN WITH THE SOCIALISTS & FASCISTS!

Look at the screen captures below. I've posted three screen captures below. (1) One of the screen captures shows all the ISP systems I had been routed through in order to get onto the Internet. (2) The Second screen capture shows all the ISP computer systems I had to go through before getting to an AUSTRALIAN web site. (3) And the third screen capture shows information relating to all of the ISP systems I had been routed through in order to get to a web site located in England.

Please note that no matter where I went, after I ran the Visual Route program to see where I had been I ALWAYS found that I had FIRST been routed through FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA!

SO YOU WILL KNOW:

NOT ALL people ARE being routed through Fairfax, Virginia!
If you ARE NOT politically outspoken and/or if you have NOT publically voiced your disgust with the utterly corrupt and moral degenerate Administration in Washington D.C. then the chances are that you are *NOT* being routed THROUGH Fairfax, Virginia before gaining access to the Internet. Apparently ONLY THOSE who the government doesn't like are being watched and/or tracked.

I've talked to a good friend of mine who told me what he discovered after letting some of HIS friends know about the Visual Route program. He told me that he had talked to some folks who ARE NOT politically outspoken and who do not "advertise" their political beliefs. THOSE PEOPLE, who pretty much kept to themselves and who did not advertise their political opinions had also installed the Visual Route program and ran it.

THOSE PEOPLE...the people who have been quiet about their political beliefs WERE NOT ROUTED THROUGH FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA!!

Interesting, no?

Here's some screen snapshots I've made after I (1) connected to the Internet with my web browser, (2) after I went to an Australian News site, and (3) after I went to the Electronic Telegraph located in England. Notice that in all three situations after connecting to the Internet I'm being immediately routed to Fairfax, Virginia AND THEN on to my destination.

Welcome to the New American verson of the Russian KGB - THE FBI!
In the screen snapshot I logged onto the Internet with my web browser, then I loaded up Visual Route and plugged in the address of "earthlink.net" to see how many places I had been routed to BEFORE getting to the Earthlink.Net ISP site. Notice first stop is Fairfax, Virginia.
DOWN WITH THE SOCIALISTS & FASCISTS!
In the screen snapshot below you can see the information which was returned after I went to the Australian web site and entered THAT information into the "Host/URL" box in the upper left hand corner. Notice, first stop is Fairfax, Virginia.
DOWN WITH THE SOCIALISTS & FASCISTS!
In this last screen capture notice that after plugging in the information for the Electronic Telegraph website "http://www.telegraph.co.uk" that Visual Route showed all the connections which were made across the country. Also notice that FIRST STOP, at Fairfax, Virginia.
DOWN WITH THE SOCIALISTS & FASCISTS!
Go and get that program - Visual Route - install it and run it when you are on the Internet. See for yourself if you are being watched by the perverts back east who have nothing better to do with their time at their high paying jobs than to stick their sick, pathetic, noses into the private affairs of law abiding citizens of this country.

Les



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--------------E07EE5B0D64030F70AF2E3A9-- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: [slick-d] Feel good? Read this and weep! (1/2) (fwd) Date: 30 Oct 1999 11:56:43 -0700 On Saturday, October 30, 1999 11:24 AM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > Sorry about all the html, but that's the way it came. > > On Oct 29, hbear@matnet.com wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > --------------E07EE5B0D64030F70AF2E3A9 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Think about this one for a while! Then download the > program and run it. You may just get the surprise of your life! > > I think someone should have thought about this a great deal The end of the phone line is the ISP. Now having gotten to an ISP I suppose one could play with TRACERT and found how long it takes to get back to the ISP once one is connected to the INTERNET........but one really can not see all the stations between one and ones ISP because until one gets to the ISP one is sending analog signals over a phone line and not digital packets over the internet Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Feel good? Read this and weep! (2/2) (fwd) Date: 30 Oct 1999 14:03:04 -0700 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 While this might indeed be an indicator of the coming dark ages, I would point out that the current version of Internet Protocal routes traffic to the fastest hub (generally), there is no "make all the packets go through me" command in IP. Also, while Fairfax is the home of many three letter agencies it is also the nations communications center- and was that before NFA 32 (36? hmm, can't remember) This specific para particularly sparks my ire: "NOT ALL people ARE being routed through Fairfax, Virginia!
If you ARE NOT politically outspoken and/or if you have NOT publically voiced your disgust with the utterly corrupt and moral degenerate Administration in Washington D.C. then the chances are that you are *NOT* being routed THROUGH Fairfax, Virginia before gaining access to the Internet. Apparently ONLY THOSE who the government doesn't like are being watched and/or tracked." "People" are NOT routed, I am not routable, you are not routable, he, she, it, ain't gonna be routed. Packets are routed. They have a sender IP address, a recipient IP address and stuff in between. MOST ISPs are too cheap to give you one sender IP address, it is very unlikely you have the same IP address everytime you connect to the internet (I pay extra for this). Given that, the only way to identify you is in the content of your packets. Yes, bad people in fairfax may be doing that, but they are not controlling the direction your packets take, nor the vertical nor necessarily the horizontal. Also it contradicts itself by saying "routed ... before gaining access to the internet". Ya can't be routed if you havent already ...gained access. The internet is a public space, lets not worry about who's reading what we say but concentrate instead on saying what needs to get said. Boyd Kneeland -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBOBtclh+71fwppszUEQIgMQCeMe+Q2O9UqmQxyAHFKkhDKusxpR0AniZm Iogg45/WzZi2IgbPtj7ibb8k =Zc+O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: [Fwd: Cato Online Update Vol. 4 No. 14] Date: 30 Oct 1999 16:04:07 -0500 Excerpted from: Cato Online Update Vol. 4 No. 14 October 29, 1999 http://www.cato.org ------------------------ CATO POLICY ANALYSIS Three new Cato Policy Analyses address wide-ranging matters. In "Executive Orders and National Emergencies: How Presidents Have Come to 'Run the Country' by Usurping Legislative Power," attorneys William J. Olson and Alan Woll argue that modern presidents have moved beyond their constitutional duty of executing laws, instead usurping vast lawmaking powers that the Constitution vests in Congress or the states. In "Faulty Justifications and Ominous Prospects: NATO's 'Victory' in Kosovo," Christopher Layne argues that the Clinton Administration's policy has habitually failed to meet its objectives and will continue to entangle the United States in multi-billion-dollar, open-ended peacekeeping operations. In "Energy Inefficiency: No Silver Bullet for Global Warming," Jerry Taylor argues that the Climate Change Technology Initiative, being pushed by the Clinton administration as a way to combat global warming, is a "sham," and a "repackaging of failed programs." http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-358es.html http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-357es.html http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-356es.html Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! -