From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Fwd: Liberty Update/Executive Orders (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 2000 13:44:22 PST On Jan 29, DBuhlman@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is an important effort being undertaken in DC, led by Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. Please take a minute to read the update on the effort to halt unconstitutional Executive Orders issued by the President. These EOs actually only apply to the Executive Branch, but get treated by the major media and other operatives as law. Only Congress can pass federal laws, according to the US Constitution. The President must be reigned in by Congress to curb any president's dictatorial tendencies. Thanks. Reply-To: Distribution@LibertyStudy.org **You are receiving this message as an update to your participation in the effort to stop the abuse of presidential executive orders.** Dear friend of liberty, On behalf of the Liberty Study Committee, I thank you for writing your U.S. representative about H.R. 2655 - The Separation of Powers Restoration Act that was submitted to the U.S. House on July 30, 1999 by Congressman Ron Paul and Congressman Jack Metcalf. Due to your efforts and the efforts of 21,332 other Americans during the last several months, H.R. 2655 now has 29 co-sponsors! Two sets of hearings on executive orders were held in the House last October. Last month, Congressman Ron Paul appeared on 15 radio talk shows from coast to coast talking about executive orders and H.R. 2655. Phase II is now underway. The Liberty Study Committee asks for your help again: 1. Review the updated information on the home page of http://www.executiveorders.org which includes testimony given at two congressional hearings. Three of Congressman Ron Paul's radio interviews are featured on the media page. 2. See if your U.S. representative is one of the 29 co-sponsors of H.R. 2655 by clicking on http://www.executiveorders.org/co-sponsors. 3. If your representative has not signed on H.R. 2655, please send him another message urging him to become a co-sponsor. If your representative has signed on, please send him a message of thanks. Please go to the home page of http://www.executiveorders.org to send your message. 4. Please tell your friends about H.R. 2655. Congress is back in session. Our goal is to double the number of co-sponsors to 58 by April 1. We've picked April 1 because we want to tell our national government that we won't be fooled anymore. Thanks again for your help! Kent Snyder Executive Director Liberty Study Committee http://www.libertystudy.org If you have a question or comment, please mailto:mail@libertystudy.org. To SUBSCRIBE, please mailto:subscription@list.libertystudy.org with the words "subscribe libertystudycommittee" as the first and only line in the body of the message. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please mailto:subscription@list.libertystudy.org with the words "unsubscribe libertystudycommittee" as the first and only line in the body of the message. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: GSL> SAS petition (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 2000 15:47:23 PST On Feb 1, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] So far, only 378 people have signed our petition. (If the Million Mom Marchers actually have fewer than that, they're REALLY doing badly.) >The Second Amendment Sisters have created an online petition against gun >control to be submitted at the rally in DC on Mother's Day. > >As luck would have it, it's at the same place that the Million Mom Marchers >have their petition. It was put up this evening, and can you believe that >we've got more signatures than the MMM's do? > >Please help us out - sign and cross post this alert! > >http://www.i-charity.net/sw.cgi/ptn/4 > >THANKS!!! -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! The threat posed by humans to the natural environment is nothing compared to the threat to humans posed by global environmental policy. -- FRED L. SMITH (1992) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Urgent Action Needed: Big Brother Wants Your Medical Records! (fwd) Date: 02 Feb 2000 07:54:42 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- URGENT: TAKE ACTION NOW BEFORE FEBRUARY 17th PROBLEM: Big Brother Wants Your Medical Records! SOLUTION: If you care about privacy and want to keep your private identifiable intimate medical details out of the hands of the government, you need to immediately submit written comments in opposition to these proposed federal regulations which dangerously grant federal, state, and local government employees access to your medical records without your consent for purposes over which you have no control! SPECIFIC ACTIONS: A) Immediately forward this alert to anyone concerned about medical privacy B) Write a letter in opposition to the proposed regulations of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) see sample below C) Send the letter to arrive on or before February 17th to the following: 1) HHS By mail: Send original and 3 copies to: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation Attention: Privacy-P Room G-322A, Hubert H. Humphrey Building 200 Independence Ave. SW Washington, D.C. 20201 or Online: Link to http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/ Select option #3 - To Submit Comments 2) Your One U.S. Congressional Representative http://www.house.gov/writerep/ (lookup capability too) or The Honorable _________ U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515 3) Your Two U.S. Senators http://www.senate.gov/ (lookup capability too) or The Honorable _________ U.S. Senate Washington, DC 20510 D) Immediately call the offices of your U.S. Representative and Senators, verbally express you concerns, and ask them to consider submitting comments to HHS before the February 17th deadline. (Capitol Switchboard 202-225-3121) ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: If you would like to access and review the proposed rule online, link to http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/, scroll down on that site and select #2 "To Read or Download Only". Scroll down to the section entitled "Read NPRM, by Section" and select a section by clicking on the section title. You may want to pay particular attention to these sections: Introduction to Uses and Disclosures Without Individual Authorization Uses and Disclosures for Public Health Activities Use and Disclosure for Health Oversight Activities Disclosure for Law Enforcement Uses and Disclosures for Governmental Health Data Systems Disclosure of Directory Information Disclosure for Banking and Payment Processes Uses and Disclosures for Research Uses and Disclosures in Emergency Circumstances If you would like to review detailed analysis and comments by others opposing the rule, see the following: Association of American Physicians and Surgeons http://www.aapsonline.org./aaps/confiden/hhsp.htm Institute for Health Freedom http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publications/Privacy/NeedToKnow.html Representative Ron Paul's Privacy Forum http://www.house.gov/paul/privacy/medpriv120999.htm Sincerely, Dawn Richardson PROVE(Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education) P.O. Box 1071 Cedar Park, TX 78630-1071 (512) 918-8760 prove@vaccineinfo.net (email) http://vaccineinfo.net (web site) ------------------------- SAMPLE LETTER: Note: When mailing to HHS, you must send an ORIGINAL and THREE(3) COPIES to arrive on or before February 17, 2000. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation Attention: Privacy-P Room G-322A, Hubert H. Humphrey Building 200 Independence Ave. SW Washington, D.C. 20201 Dear Assistant Secretary: This letter is in response to the proposed regulations on patient privacy published in the Federal Register on November 3, 1999. I am writing as an individual health care consumer who is strongly opposed to the disclosure of my personal medical records without my consent. I do not want to have my intimate medical details released to persons I do not know, for purposes I cannot predict, which may be contrary to my best interests, simply because HHS employees think that the public will somehow benefit. These regulations would grant federal, state, and local government health employees broad unrestricted access and control of my identifiable private medical information without my consent for anything that can be linked to the HHS-defined open-ended "national priority purposes" of research, public health, government health data systems, law enforcement and oversight of the health care system. My medical records are my private property and access to them should be controlled solely by a private contract between me and my health care provider, not the federal government. I am strongly opposed to having my identifiable personal health information collected and stored in federal databases for any reason and being used for medical research without my consent. Additionally, these regulations significantly undermine the trust I will have in disclosing information to my health care provider especially since everything contained in my record can be released whenever the government asks for it. That will compromise the quality of my care and ultimately the quality of my health. Neither the statute nor the Constitution gives HHS the authority to grant the government access and control of my medical records, especially without my consent. Managing my medical records is an inappropriate function of government. I respectfully request that HHS withdraw these proposed regulations, rewrite them to respect my privacy rights and comply with the statute and the Constitution, and then resubmit them for another public comment period. Sincerely, CC: The Honorable ___, U.S. House of Representatives The Honorable ___, U.S. Senate The Honorable ___, U.S. Senate - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: [tagnet] Poll -- assault weapons in Broward County (fwd) Date: 02 Feb 2000 09:15:00 PST On Feb 2, Mike Copeland wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This one needs our help. -Mike > Forwarded message: > > =========== > http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/daily/detail/0,1136,27000000000106212,00.ht ml > > "The Broward legislative delegation is taking up the issue of gun > control. Should assault weapons be banned in Broward? > ============== > present: > Yes > (60%) > No > (39%) > Total votes: 1567 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Common Conservative 2/1/00 (fwd) Date: 02 Feb 2000 21:27:32 PST On Feb 2, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Tom Adkins The Common Conservative 2/1/00 CommonConservative.com <---click here Omega Male Sit. Roll Over. Fetch. Good boy... By Tom Adkins I was flipping through channels the other night. I'm the Alpha male in my house, so I control the remote. I came across a Discovery Channel show on a wolf pack. How they lived, how they hunted, how they grew up, how they reared their young and all that cool stuff. The Alpha female ruled the pack, of course, a common arrangement in lower animal classes. The other females accepted their fate and resigned themselves to collectively rearing the young, and kept the pack intact. Then, the show focused on the males. There was the Alpha male. He was Mr. Big, and didn't take any crap from anyone. Then they showed the Beta male. He was always looking for a way to one-up the Alpha male, especially with the ladies. The Beta male was second place, but no slouch. The other wolves respected him. Then, something started bothering me. After all the grief we gave Al Gore about the Alpha/Beta male thing well, none of this fits. Bill Clinton is obviously the Alpha male. He does whatever he wants, obeying no rules except those set by Alpha Female Hillary. (She keeps him in line with a strategically placed lampshade across the noggin once in a while, but accepts his behavior as the price for her pack status.) But Al Gore, the Beta male? A Beta male is supposed to keep the Alpha male on his toes. A good Alpha leaves few opportunities, and a good Beta takes advantage of the Alpha's mistakes. But wait a second. That's not Al Gore. The show then took a detour, featuring a scruffy, goofy wolf. He was the Omega, the disrespected lowest in the pack. All other wolves picked on him. He ate only scraps they left him. The Omega did whatever he was told, or he got a good bite in the ass from the other wolves. Suddenly, it hit me; Al gore is the Omega Male. It's actually an important job. The Omega must be willing to sell his soul to keep the pack intact. That sure fits Al Gore. Remember that tearful anti-cigarette epiphany at his sister's deathbed, while he was actually taking gobs of money from tobacco companies? Classic Omega. And remember wife Tipper's PMRC, founded to combat immoral entertainment and to censor the music industry? Gore shoved it aside when he sucked up to Hollywood fat cats for campaign bucks, and then defended a president who molested women and lied about it under oath. That is true Omega courage. And the Omega wolf does silly things to break tension within the pack. That certainly sounds like Gore. We chuckled when he got lost in a national park. We howled when he claimed the automobile was the greatest threat to humanity. Even hardened grumps fell on the floor laughing when Gore claimed he invented the Internet. We could hardly control ourselves when he ironically hired feminist Naomi Wolf to teach him the ways of an Alpha Male. Certainly, no sane Alpha would do this. Neither would a Beta. Only an Omega would bumble so hilariously. Think of it. Every time Gore had a chance to rise above the Alpha male, he rolled over and showed his belly. He could have refused to launder money at that Buddhist temple. He could have objected to the 900 FBI files. He missed a golden opportunity to one-up Clinton when America discovered he assaulted women, obstructed justice and lied under oath. And he stood passively when Clinton helped sell missile secrets to China in apparent exchange for 3 million illegal campaign bucks. These were silver-platter opportunities, offering Gore the perfect chance to show the American pack he was better than Clinton. If Gore had taken a stand at any point, Democrats would have abandoned their Alpha Molester and Gore might well be president. But he didn't. Because Gore isn't an Alpha. He's not even a Beta. He's a quivering, purebred 100% Omega Male. So why bring this up now, long after the "Alpha" story broke? Because the elections are only nine months away, and Democrats are about to offer an Omega male to lead the most powerful nation on earth. Someone who spent his last seven years on the sidelines of a real life Good versus Evil play. Someone who passively accepted a seriously flawed Alpha leader. Instead of taking a stand, he winced at the opportunity to lead. Gore knuckled under like a cowering, pure-bred Omega bottom-feeder. And he never so much as cleared his throat. Instead, Al Gore submissively did what he was told. Sit. Roll Over. Play dead. Good boy, Al. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Fw: JPFO Alert on UN and your Right to Bear Arms/Fwd (fwd) Date: 03 Feb 2000 09:27:26 PST On Feb 3, John Fisher wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] HI ya'll, A good friend informed me today that the term "gun control" has been replaced (deleted) by the mass media machine and will be henceforth referred to as "gun safety". I surely wish George Orwell was around to write a sequel because there is plenty of material around.....he could call it 2000:Big Brother II or whatever....I've also come to realize that the National Rifle Assocation and the Gun Owners of America organizations cannot compare to the Jews For The Preservation of Firearms as it relates to our Second Amendment rights, so I pass on the following. If the JPFO is concerned, then so should we. John ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization February 1, 2000 Showdown with the United Nations -- Your Rights In the Balance Do you agree with some or all of the following statements about the United Nations: (1) The United Nations can serve a useful function by providing a forum for diplomats to communicate on international issues, and the U.N. can help as a peacekeeper between formerly warring nations as well as coordinate international humanitarian relief. (2) Americans increasingly "see the U.N. aspiring to establish itself as the central authority of a new international order of global laws and global governance. This is an international order the American people will not countenance." (3) "The American people will never accept the claims of the United Nations to be the sole source of legitimacy on the use of force in the world." (4) "No U.N. institution ... is competent to judge the foreign policy and national security decisions of the United States." (5) "If the U.N. seeks ... to impose the U.N.'s power and authority over nation-states, I guarantee that the United Nations will meet stiff resistance from the American people." (6) "No [U.N.] treaty or law can ever supersede the Constitution of the United States of America." These six statements formed part of the remarks that Senator Jesse Helms (R-N.C) delivered to the U.N. Security Council on January 21. If you agree with some or all of these six statements, then you'll find yourself up against the Clinton administration. Scrambling to preserve the U.S. position of subservience to the U.N., Secretary of State Madeleine Albright publicly repudiated Senator Helms' views on limiting U.N. power and influence on January 24. Ms. Albright herself told the Security Council: "Let me be clear. Only the president and the executive branch can speak for the United States. Today, on behalf of the president, let me say that the Clinton administration and I believe that most Americans see our role in the world and our relationship to [the U.N.] quite differently than does Senator Helms." The Secretary of State continued, stating that "we strongly support the United Nations Charter which we helped to write. We want to strengthen it through continued reform and we recognize its many contributions to our own interest in a more secure, democratic and humane world." Apparently the current administration views the U.N. as an ally ... and that means we Americans are in deep trouble. Do you know about the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights? The Universal Declaration sets forth the socialist vision of the projected one-world government -- and almost completely nullifies the U.S. Bill of Rights. Which among our precious rights does the U.N. least support? You guessed it ... the fundamental individual right to keep and bear arms. In fact, agencies under the U.N. umbrella are moving to control "small arms" in member nations ... that means global "gun control." National governments that oppose firearms ownership are working to disarm citizens and victims worldwide. Get the facts about U.N. global "gun control" from JPFO, and then inform everyone you can. Order the Gran'pa Jack booklet entitled "The United Nations is Killing Your Freedoms." ($3.00 postage paid, quantity discounts available.) see http://www.jpfo.org/gpjack5.htm to order Gran'pa Jack #5 For a more in-depth explanation of how the U.N. Universal Declaration destroys the U.S. Bill of Rights, call and order the Spring and Fall 1998 back issues of the Firearms Sentinel. Use the new U.N. poster to visually communicate the warning -- check it out at http://www.jpfo.org/poster-ungc.htm . To multiply the power of your outreach, buy four (4) U.N. posters and you will get the Gran'pa Jack U.N. booklet free. Learn the truth and educate your fellow Americans. Your rights and your future depend upon it! References: (1) Helms warns U.N. Security Council, Henry Lamb, WorldNetDaily.com, January 22, 2000. (2) Albright disavows Helms' Statement, Dafna Linzer, The Washington Times, January 25, 2000. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership PO Box 270143 Hartford, Wisconsin 53027 Phone: 262-673-9745 Orders only: 1-800-869-1884 (toll-free!) Fax: 262-673-9746 Web: http://www.jpfo.org/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: You're gonna love this one... (fwd) Date: 03 Feb 2000 11:28:27 PST On Feb 3, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Vt. Bill targets people without guns Legislator dreams of citizens' militia By Ellen Barry, Globe Staff, 2/1/2000 aking 200-year-old constitutional provisions for the creation of a ''well-regulated militia'' to their most extreme conclusion, a Vermont lawmaker has proposed a crackdown on Vermonters who do not own guns. Harkening back to the days of town square militia musters and citizens' armies, House bill 760 would require residents over 18 who do not own guns to register with the secretary of state's office and pay a $500 penalty.... For the full story, go to: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/032/metro/Vt_Bill_targets_people_without_gu nsP.shtml [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Angels Are Everywhere (fwd) Date: 04 Feb 2000 10:33:12 PST On Feb 04, Charles F. Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From: "RWInman" >To: "Loretta Inman" >Subject: Fw: Angels Are Everywhere >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:53:47 -0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > >WHAT DO ANGELS LOOK LIKE? > >Like the little old lady who returned your wallet yesterday. > >Like the taxi driver who told you that your eyes >light up the world, when you smile. > >Like the small child who showed you the >wonder in simple things. > >Like the poor man who offered to share his lunch with you. > >Like the rich man who showed you that it >really is all possible, if only you believe. > >Like the stranger who just happened to come along, >when you had lost your way. > >Like the friend who touched your heart, >when you didn't think you had one. > >Angels come in all sizes and shapes, >all ages and skin types. > >Some with freckles, some with dimples, >some with wrinkles, some without. > >They come disguised as friends, enemies >teachers, students, lovers and fools. > >They don't take life too seriously, they travel light. > >They leave no forwarding address, they ask nothing in return. > >They are hard to find when your eyes are closed, but when >you choose to see, they are everywhere you look. > >So, open you eyes and count all your Angels -- >for you are truly blessed! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Angels Are Everywhere (fwd) Date: 04 Feb 2000 10:33:12 PST On Feb 04, Charles F. Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From: "RWInman" >To: "Loretta Inman" >Subject: Fw: Angels Are Everywhere >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:53:47 -0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > >WHAT DO ANGELS LOOK LIKE? > >Like the little old lady who returned your wallet yesterday. > >Like the taxi driver who told you that your eyes >light up the world, when you smile. > >Like the small child who showed you the >wonder in simple things. > >Like the poor man who offered to share his lunch with you. > >Like the rich man who showed you that it >really is all possible, if only you believe. > >Like the stranger who just happened to come along, >when you had lost your way. > >Like the friend who touched your heart, >when you didn't think you had one. > >Angels come in all sizes and shapes, >all ages and skin types. > >Some with freckles, some with dimples, >some with wrinkles, some without. > >They come disguised as friends, enemies >teachers, students, lovers and fools. > >They don't take life too seriously, they travel light. > >They leave no forwarding address, they ask nothing in return. > >They are hard to find when your eyes are closed, but when >you choose to see, they are everywhere you look. > >So, open you eyes and count all your Angels -- >for you are truly blessed! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Women's sizes (fwd) Date: 05 Feb 2000 08:12:25 PST On Feb 5, Doug Spittler wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Fishing, hunting, and shooting clothes in women's sizes and fits can be found at www.farrows.com. I have no financial/fiduciary interest in the company; I merely laud them for providing a previously missing product that might be instrumental in attracting more women to non-traditional sports. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Granny Using Gun Castrates Rapists! (fwd) Date: 08 Feb 2000 07:21:15 PST On Feb 7, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] 'GRANBO' Gun-toting granny shoots 2 rapists' testicles off MELBOURNE, Australia -- Gun-toting granny Ava Estelle, 81, was so ticked-off when two thugs raped her 18-year-old granddaughter that she tracked the unsuspecting ex-cons down - - and shot their testicles off! "The old lady spent a week hunting those bums down -- and when she found them, she took revenge on them in her own special way," said admiring Melbourne police investigator Evan Delp. "Then she took a taxi to the nearest police station, laid the gun on the sergeant's desk and told him as calm as could be: 'Those bastards will never rape anybody again, by God.' 81-year-old Ava Estelle shows how she turned two rapists into sopranos. Cops say convicted rapist and robber Davis Furth, 33, lost both his penis and his testicles when outraged Ava opened fire with a 9-mm pistol in the seedy hotel room where he and former prison cellmate Stanley Thomas, 29, were holed up. The wrinkled avenger also blew Thomas' testicles to kingdom come, but doctors managed to save his mangled penis, policy said. "The one guy, Thomas, didn't lose his manhood, but the doctor I talked to said he won't be using it the way he used to," Detective Delp told reporters. "Both men are still in pretty bad shape, but I think they're just happy to be alive after what they've been through." The Rambo Granny swung into action August 21 after her granddaughter Debbie was carjacked and raped by two knife-wielding creeps in a section of town bordering on skid row. "When I saw the look on my Debbie's face that night in the hospital, I decided I was going to go out and get those bastards myself 'cause I figured the police would go easy on them," recalled the retired library worker. "And I wasn't scared of them, either -- because I've got me a gun and I've been shootin' it all my life." So, using a police artist's sketch of the suspects and Debbie's description of the sickos' car, tough-as-nails Ava spent seven days prowling the wino-infested neighborhood where the crime took place till she spotted the ill-fated rapists entering their flophouse hotel. "I know it was them the minute I saw 'em, but I shot a picture of 'em anyway and took it back to Debbie and she said sure as hell, it was them," the ornery oldster recalled. "So I went back to that hotel and found their room and knocked on the door -- and the minute the big one, Furth, opened the door, I shot 'em got right square between the legs, right where it would really hurt 'em most, you know. Then I went down to the police station and turned myself in." Now, baffled lawmen are tying to figure out how to deal with the vigilante granny. "What she did was wrong, but you can't really throw an 81-year-old woman in prison." Det. Delp said, "especially when all 3 million people in the city want to nominate her for sainthood." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Iwon survey (fwd) Date: 09 Feb 2000 08:53:21 PST Unfortunately I can't take advantage of this, as my webcrawling machine is down with a hardware problem, but feel free! On Feb 08, Bob James wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] For those of you not familiar with iWon.com, they not only offer $10,000 daily prizes and $1,000,000 monthly prizes (at least until April), today they are having a survey on gun control. Questions: 1) What do you feel about gun control laws (too strict, not strict enough, just right, no opinion) 2) Does private gun ownership deter crime? (yes, no, undecided) and one other.... worth the entry! Bob James Corpus Christi, TX [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: AMERICANS Please read this (fwd) Date: 10 Feb 2000 08:12:34 PST On Feb 9, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] AMERICANS Please read this Citizens Of America a unique organization performing an essential function in the war to retain our firearms rights is in danger of having to shut down operations. Q: Why should you care if COA is forced to shut down? A: Because the work Citizens Of America (COA) has accomplished is in jeopardy of vanishing. And COA or its duplicate is CRUCIAL to the gun-rights war. Q: Why is COA crucial? A: Because other gun rights organizations communicate almost exclusively with their membership. COA is running a national pro-gun, pro-gun rights public media campaign. Because COA says what needs to be said, and doesn't fear media attacks COA is prepared to use such attacks to benefit gun owners. Because COA reaches out to ALL Americans regardless of age, race, religion, or sex. And until ALL Americans grasp what is happening and change their minds about firearms, we are going to continue to lose our rights, piece by piece. Q: What are COA's tactics? A: COA's primary tactic is to use the mass communications media to convince ALL Americans by touching their HEARTS and MINDS that -- more guns in the hands of citizens means less crime -- anti-gunners are anti-self-defense -- anti-gunners are usually brazen hypocrites -- anti-gunners are harming you personally and America in general. Q: What has COA accomplished? A: In just over FOUR months, COA has produced and disseminated across the country FREE OF CHARGE 13 pro- gun rights radio ads. Are the ads good? Good enough that people are: -- paying out of their own pockets to run our ads in their locale -- placing the ads or links to COA on their own pro-2A websites -- sending out COA updates and notices on their own email lists -- volunteering (via our new program) to be the collection points for pooling funds to run ads in their own cities -- volunteering not just money but time, skill, and services to help us -- notifying us that when our first print ads to appear they will pay to run them in newspapers and other publications. -- calling radio talk show and requesting that they interview us, which has resulted in COA officers giving 11 talk show interviews in the last three months (since Oct.) with more scheduled. Some interviews were on nationally syndicated shows (Steve Wolf's Crime Talk, Tom Gresham's Gun Talk, Jeff Rense's Sightings, and Ron Engelmans Engelman Overnight) What else? Radio station managers are running COA ads free of charge as public service announcements. And COA has been the subject of a positive WorldNet Daily article by columnist Jon Dougherty. Q: So why is COA having funding problems? A: First, because COA started operations without extensive financial backing-- just a small grant of a few hundred dollars to build a website. And Second, because COA is still too new to have established a large donor base to support it. From the beginning, COA founders counted on public support to achieve its goals and to grow. In just four months COA's dedicated staff, its ultra-low overhead, and its care in spending donations, along with grass-roots help from individuals all across America, have already enabled it to have a national reach and impact. But we have hit a financial wall, and we need your help to break through. In fact we are unable to maintain even a status quo regarding day-to-day operations. Without immediate help we will be forced to cease all planned projects and perhaps shut down completely. But with your support we can instantly proceed with our plans to reach ALL Americans with our pro-gun, pro-gun rights messages. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS: This email posting reaches several thousand people. If every recipient contributed just $20, COA's ultra lean operational budget for the coming year would be met. More than $20 if you can afford it would be appreciated, of course! You can contribute by credit card or e-gold on our website, http://www.citizensofamerica.org Or by check to Citizens Of America, 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #447, Santa Monica, CA 90403. To those who have contributed THANK YOU! ************************************************************* >From The 2ndAmendmentNews Team If you received this as a forward and wish to join please send: E-MAil to listserver@frostbit.com with the following text in the message body: SUBSCRIBE 2nd-Amendment-News We have had a computer error. If you want to be removed send a message to the list administrator, send E-mail to luz.clark@prodigy.net If you know anyone who would appreciate these alerts, please let us know and we'll enroll them on a trial basis. Also, feel free to forward our alerts. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] VIN: Feb. 10 column -- Clinton budget (fwd) Date: 10 Feb 2000 08:16:39 PST On Feb 10, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED FEB. 10, 2000 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Could even Siegfried & Roy make $1.8 trillion disappear? It's become the modern custom for the State of the Union address to preview the president's budget proposal. Thus, no one should pretend surprise at the welfare/police-state wish list - a blueprint for a central government which would actually manage to spend $1.84 trillion dollars in a single year in peacetime - rolled out by Bill Clinton Monday. Nonetheless, this lack of surprise should not prevent us from commenting on the shameless cynicism of this "budget" exercise, which would resemble nothing more than the cartoon character Scrooge McDuck waving his hand at a jewelry store display and saying, "I'll take it all," were the moneys in question not looted from the paychecks of actual Americans, many working two jobs to cover the tax bills while keeping food on the table. First, of course, comes the president's assertion that during his term of office Washington City has "paid down the debt by nearly $300 billion," and will finish funding and paying off all federal obligations in a few more years under this budget plan. Would "paying down the federal debt" and other obligations be a good idea? Maybe. It would be interesting to see if Americans would accept a $200,000 cash payoff, per person (somewhat less for those under age 40), in exchange for the permanent shutdown of the actuarially bankrupt Social Security Ponzi scheme - no more FICA withholdings out of any American paycheck, ever. But while truly "paying off the debt" might or might not be a good idea, it's simply not happening. The federal government continues to sell "Treasury bills" and every other form of debt instrument which investors will buy, as fast as the presses will roll. Have any holders of such debt been contacted by Treasury Secretary Rubin with an offer to redeem the stuff early as the United States proceeds to quickly "pay off its debt"? Are new employees in those offices warned their jobs will end in a few years? Of course not. What has happened is that the ongoing economic boom has flooded Washington with extra money - like the ground of an apple orchard unexpectedly littered with fruit after a freak windstorm - based on tax rates set back in the days when the current boom was totally unforeseen. The bureaucrats of Washington would now assert they have to get busy turning those apples into cider and applesauce before they spoil. Problem is, they don't own the orchard - we do. So this is really more akin to a gang of hoodlums scrambling around in a panic, trying to steal all the fruit they can before the owners get back across the creek. "How can we pay down the debt with a budget that substantially expands the size and scope of the federal government?" asks House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill, with increasingly rare good sense. ''How can the 'era of big government' be over when his budget would create close to $350 billion in new government spending?'' Any "tax cuts" in the president's budget are piddling. And they're not even the kind of across-the-board cuts which would allow Americans to spend more of their own earnings as they see fit. Instead, these "cuts" come in the form of "targeted tax breaks" - limited kickbacks which Americans who "file" can acquire only by bearing more children, buying a new house, paying college tuition, or whatever. Yes, each of those activities may be a fine thing in itself, but when did it become Washington's business to "reward" certain selected activities, while "punishing" with higher taxes those who choose to invest their earnings in other ways? Then, Mr. Clinton would turn around and grabs back two-thirds of these piddling "cuts" with a huge new tax hike on tobacco - 25 cents a pack and a $3,000 fine per "youth smoker" should tobacco companies fail to halve youth smoking in four years, a retrogressive tax which will take a far greater chunk out of the paychecks of the working class, who spend much more of their income on the nasty habit than do the wealthy. (What next? Shall we fine domestic candy and ice cream manufacturers if the average American kid fails to get skinnier by the year 2004? Would they be allowed to haul in a bunch of emaciated urchins from Bangladesh to make the numbers look better?) And we haven't yet reached the final level of cynicism in this "budget proposal." For Bill Clinton knows full well such a gargantuan "wish list" of welfare-state candy and snow cones (senior citizens want free prescription medicines? Let the line form on the left!) will be dead on arrival in the Republican Congress. In fact, he's counting on it. Having avoided all the hard, responsible choices, the president now dares the GOP to spend only 96 percent, only 98 percent, only 99.9 percent of the money here requested. Then the scene will be set for Al Gore's Democrats on the campaign trail next fall to revile the Republican opposition as "hard-hearted misers, who would rip the food and medicine out of the mouths of the very widows and orphans!" Once more, Mr. Clinton has made it clear that even to "new" Democrats, the care and feeding of the bureaucracy is more important than allowing American families to keep, spend, and invest the sweat of their brow. The question is: Will it work yet again? Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $24.95 postpaid from Mountain Media, P.O. Box 271122, Las Vegas, Nev. 89127; or by dialing 1-800-244-2224 *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. All I ask of electronic subscribers is that they not RE-forward my columns until on or after the embargo date which appears at the top of each, and that (should they then choose to do so) they copy the columns in their entirety, preserving the original attribution. The Vinsends list is maintained by Alan Wendt in Colorado, who may be reached directly at alan@ezlink.com. The web sites for the Suprynowicz column are at http://www.infomagic.com/liberty/vinyard.htm, and http://www.nguworld.com/vindex. The Vinyard is maintained by Michael Voth in Flagstaff, who may be reached directly at mvoth@infomagic.com. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Internet Taxes, how much are they? (fwd) Date: 10 Feb 2000 18:09:01 PST On Feb 10, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:47 PM Internet Tax Could Doom Web's Freebies By David Ridenour National Policy Analysis Paper #278 published in February 2000 by The National Center for Public Policy Research, 777 North Capitol Street NE #803, Washington, D.C. 20002-4239, 202/371-1400, Fax 202/408-7773, E-Mail info@nationalcenter.org, Web http://www.nationalcenter.org. Reprints permitted provided source is credited. Freebies that many Internet surfers now take for granted could be eliminated or scaled back if advocates of Internet sales taxes get their way. Over the past several years, some of the nation's governors and big-city mayors have been pushing hard for new taxes on the Internet. Sales over the Internet are currently treated as ordinary mail order sales, which are exempt from most sales taxes, much to the displeasure of these politicians. Under a 1992 Supreme Court decision, Quill v. North Dakota, mail order businesses do not have to collect sales taxes from customers living in states where the business has no "physical presence," such as a retail store or office. As virtual retail stores without a "physical presence" in most states, Internet-based businesses are thus also exempt from most state and local sales taxes. The Internet, which many regard as a key engine for future economic expansion, is already significantly taxed as it is. Notes Americans for Tax Reform's Grover Norquist, "The building blocks of the Internet - phone lines, cable, all telecommunications - are already one of the most heavily taxed parts of the American economy." Indeed, in addition to a federal excise tax, state and local excise taxes average 14.1 percent and are as high as 28.6 percent in Texas and 24.5 percent in Florida. Some state and local officials apparently don't believe this is enough. The reason? Private studies estimate that Internet sales doubled from 1998 to 1999, growing from $10 billion to $20 billion. State and county governments are no doubt eager to get their hands on a piece of this business by assessing taxes. They want to do so despite the fact that state taxes already represent nine percent of Gross Domestic Product. Critics of the Internet sales tax proposal argue that these taxes threaten to kill a key economic engine of the future, the Internet. A June 1999 study by Professor Austen Goolsbee of the University of Chicago Business School backs this up. Goolsbee's study found that taxation of electronic commerce would reduce Internet sales by 24 percent or more. Just imagine what this could mean for the stock market. Millions of investors have paid inflated prices for shares of as yet unprofitable Internet companies on the assumption that profits are on the way. A 24 percent drop in Internet sales could kill many of these enterprises. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Many of the free services that many of us take advantage of on the Internet could disappear or be significantly scaled back if sales taxes are imposed. Much of the free stuff we get on the Internet is offered for the explicit purpose of increasing traffic for web pages to make them attractive to advertisers. Fewer Internet sales would mean fewer advertising dollars devoted to the Internet, and many of these free services could disappear. A good case in point are Internet search engines that make the Internet such a useful research tool. Companies such as Yahoo! and Lycos provide these services - which can be quite expensive to maintain - only because they make money on the advertising. A dip in e-commerce could make a big difference for these firms' bottom lines. Yahoo! only began showing a profit two years ago - and then just eleven cents a share - while Lycos has yet to show a profit. Last year, Lycos lost 60 cents per share and its executives are no doubt hoping continued Internet growth will reverse their fortunes. OnLineNow is another good example of a free service made possible by advertising. Launched in 1997 from a rental shed in Idaho, OnLineNow offers a quick, easy and completely free way for people to find business information on the web. Called by some a "global yellow pages," visitors to OnLineNow's web page can get the business contact information they need in seconds simply by entering a business category and city or country on the OnLineNow web page. The web page receives over one million hits per day. This valuable service could be in jeopardy, however, if sales on the Internet slow due to the imposition of sales taxes. But that's not all that's at risk. A good corporate citizen, OnLineNow has donated a million dollars worth of Internet advertising to Kid 4 Tomorrow, a charity founded by former NFL stars L. Rayfield Wright, Andy Livingston and Earl Edwards that offers assistance to "at-risk" students. Among other things, the organization provides drug and alcohol prevention training and peer leadership programs. This and other philanthropy by Internet-based business could be at risk if the Internet's growth is stymied by taxes. Some advice to state and local politicians: Keep the economic engine of tomorrow going. Keep the Internet free for all to use. Keep your hands off the Internet. # # # David Ridenour is Vice President of The National Center for Public Policy Research, a non-profit, non- partisan educational foundation based in Washington, D.C. Comments may be sent to DRidenour@nationalcenter.org. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: WHO'S MISREPRESENTING WHOM? (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 2000 18:53:26 PST On Feb 11, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] How many of John McCain's enemies in the Washington establishment are members of the liberal-biased Washington press corps? How many are liberal Democrat members of Congress? How many are members of the Clinton administration? All those I ever hear about are members of the Republican congressional majority. Granted, that bunch hasn't done a whole heckuva lot that we want it to do, and quite a bit we'd rather it didn't -- but I still trust them a d@mn sight more than I trust all of those people in Washington who DON'T hate John McCain. Kevin McGehee Newnan, Georgia mail@mcgeheezone.com http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 6:34 PM Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for 2/11/00 http://www.nationalreview.com/ by Ramesh Ponnuru and John J. Miller WHO'S MISREPRESENTING WHOM? One of the most irritating features of this primary season has been how often candidates have gone negative by decrying their rivals' negativism. Today, for instance, the McCain campaign sent out a press release accusing the Bush campaign of making a 14-year-old boy cry with its negative "push polling." This same release announced a new ad suggesting that, just as the communists tortured McCain in Vietnam, now the special interests are "coming after him here in South Carolina because John McCain will take the government away from the special interests and give it back to you." Accusing Bush of making children cry and linking him to evil special interests, we guess, isn't negative. But what difference does it make whether an attack counts as "negative," or who went negative first? The campaigns' focus on negativism - Bush is guilty of it just as McCain is - distracts attention from the important question: Which charges are true? Let's run through them one by one. McCain Charge # 1: Gov. Bush sets aside no money for Social Security. Actually, Bush sets aside excess payroll-tax revenues for Social Security. At a projected $2 trillion over the next ten years, that's a nice chunk of change. So now McCain is saying that those $2 trillion are already supposed to go to Social Security; Bush's sin is not setting aside any "new" money from income-tax revenues, as the senator proposes. Some of McCain's premises here can be disputed, but the bottom line is that his ads and rhetoric are misleading: Bush is hardly endangering Social Security by not feeding it money that isn't slotted to go to it now. McCain Charge # 2: Bush doesn't reduce the national debt. When money is set aside "for" Social Security, what that means in practical terms is that it is used to retire debt. Again, McCain is misleading. Bush Charge # 1: McCain favors public financing of political campaigns. The McCain campaign hotly disputes this, but the Bush campaign dredged up 5 votes by McCain for bills including public financing. McCain spokesman Howard Opinsky told the Associated Press, "This is the same old Washington Clintonian politics that voters have become so cynical about, trying to twist John McCain's 17-year record of reform and consistent opposition to public financing to Governor Bush's advantage." McCain's votes were all on procedural motions, he said, to keep debate on campaign-finance reform going. According to the Senate records, however, Opinsky is wrong: McCain was voting for bills, not motions. Whatever McCain's theoretical opposition to public financing, it stopped well short of making him actually vote against it. Moreover, McCain has just endorsed Ron Unz's campaign-finance initiative in California, which includes public financing. Bush Charge # 2: McCain would raise taxes on contributions to churches, charities, and colleges. The provision of the McCain tax plan in question concerns the donation of assets that have grown in value since originally being purchased - say, a stock. Under McCain's plan, only the original cost of the donation would be deductible, not the current value. Here's McCain's press-release explanation of why this must be done: "The McCain tax plan does not tax charitable contributions. Under current law, a wealthy taxpayer can buy a painting for $10,000, have a 'friendly' appraiser estimate its value at $100,000 and claim a deduction for the higher value by donating it to a charitable institution. This practice unfairly shifts the tax burden to middle income taxpayers." The scenario McCain describes is already illegal as a form of tax fraud. His solution is indeed a $9 billion tax increase on charitable contributions. In these and other cases, figuring out who's telling the truth requires some attention to policy details. In the Wall Street Journal yesterday, poor Lawrence Lindsey went deep into the thickets to make the case that McCain's numbers don't add up. Maybe it's a pointless exercise: McCain knows that he can wing it and then spin his way out of trouble because voters aren't thinking about issues. It would be nice if a few journalists were. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "It can't happen HERE...!" (fwd) Date: 12 Feb 2000 09:20:53 PST On Feb 11, Doug Spittler wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The Assault at San Gabriel Lessons in Gun Registration A Sierra Times Special Report By J.J. Johnson - Sierra Times Reporter February 7, 2000 It would normally be surprising to find the latest example of Jack-booted thuggery in the halls of a public transportation administration; but after all, this is California. The place: San Gabriel. This city in Los Angeles County is the home of Ruben and Denise Gonzalez. On January, 5 2000, their home was raided - not by the FBI, ATF, or DEA, but by the Los Angeles Metropolitan Transportation Authority. MTA for short. The Gonzalez' are traditional Catholics who practice their faith based on the Council of Trent. According to Denise, both take their religious faith very seriously. That faith was tested back in 1995 and what followed was a pattern of events that led to the Terrorization of the Gonzalez family one month ago. About four years ago, columnist Charles Cherniss of Pasadena Star News labeled the MTA as "a classic example of regional socialism." Living true to form, the MTA decided receiving federal funds was more important than protecting the rights of their own employees. AOL did something similar, but we'll get to that later. The issue in question was and still is - mandatory, random drug testing of employees. This policy remains a controversy, even though its constitutionality has been tested in numerous courts. The MTA is a public entity, and according to Constitution attorney Nancy Johnson, "government agencies do not have the right to violate the forth amendment rights of civilian employees without basis." Yet the MTA insisted on going forward with the policy back in 1995. Enter the Gonzalez,' employed by the public transportation outfit for over 20 years. They filed suit against the MTA for their random drug testing policy. "I was ordered away from my job duties and forced to go to a medical center," Denise Gonzalez said in a press release in 1995." The Gonzalez' said theirs was not only a violation of the God-given right to be free from illegal search and seizure, it violated their faith as well. " We are made in the image of God; our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Ghost and are therefore inviolate," Denise said. Both Ruben and Denise always tested negative for any drug use. Both Denise and Ruben said they suffered trauma from what they consider to be an assault and an affront to their deeply held religious convictions. This led to both seeking medical care. It was obviously her forthrightness that got the attention of her higher-ups. She stated, "Random testing is immodest, indecent and immoral. It is Marxist. It is the Mark of the Beast. Random testing of human beings is just as much a desecration as vandalism of a church or temple. In fact, it's much worse because it is an assault against a person; it strips you of your dignity and dehumanizes you." On Janurary 5, 2000, The Gonzalez family got an even more bitter taste of "dehumanization." The Gonzalez' were already active in protecting their freedoms. She was the block watch captain for her community, as well as notary public. Ruben's an officer in the American Legion. They keep a clean home and have no past criminal records. Their "crime" was only having the courage to fight back. Denise was under a doctor's care for a year but the MTA refused to allow her to return and charged her with being absent without permission, even though she had followed all the company rules concerning medical leave of absence. This lead to a lawsuit that was filed in the Los Angeles District Court in April of 1996. The charge: Gross discrimination based on religion and wrongful termination.. This was an additional charge laid against the MTA. Without merit, you ask? Well, take a look at an excerpt from the Motion to Dismiss filed in 1997 by MTA's legal counsel Sharon Sanders. Sanders asserted that the Gonzalez' faith was nothing more than a "personal religious creed," and that Roman Catholics observe nothing more than "personal preferences." According to the Sander's affidavit, Denise Gonzalez had "unique personal and moral preferences" that are "beyond the parameters of the concept of religion as protected by the Constitution." No doubt this lead to tempers flaring on both sides. Federal Judge James Ideman dismissed the Gonzalez lawsuit in 1997 but his ruling has recently been overturned by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in March of 1999. In October, 1999, and in spite of the pending lawsuits; and despite the injury and emotional distress the Gonzalez' have been subjected to, MTA ordered Ruben to undergo yet another random drug test. In the wake of this more recent assault against him, the MTA claims to have received threats from supporters of the couple and from Ruben and Denise themselves. The Gonzalez' deny these accusation. "These protests that were sent to MTA were within everyone's first amendment rights," said Denise Gonzalez in an interview with the Sierra Times. The case is still pending, but since the reversal of Judge James Ideman's ruling last year, the Gonzalez' were obviously marked. The MTA claims they have received e-mail threats, such as "...if this was 1776, you'd be hung for treason...," from one writer; and "..if you tried to force me to submit to an illegal search & seizure, I'd put my .44 to your head," from another. Citations from the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the Founding Fathers were quoted. Some letters just questioned the intelligence of "randomly" drug testing innocent employees. Especially repeated testing of middle-aged, Catholic employees of veteren status with no incidence of drug use in the past 20 years. These "threats" did not come from the Gonzalez,' but no matter. They were the most vocal, and they would pay. A few calls were made in order to lock down the location of these "subjects" who dared to speak out for their constitutional rights. One call of note was to American Online, that gallant defender of the first and forth amendments. Without even a warrant or probable cause, they were asked to supply the MTA with the locations of where the e-mails came from. AOL's response: "You've got mail!" Then the accounts were cancelled. To this date, and in spite of numerous inquiries, AOL representatives have not bothered to explain to the Gonzalez' why their account was cancelled. Now comes the dark, ugly side of gun registration. It just so happens that the Gonzalez' owned weapons, and being law-abiding citizens, they followed the California guidelines and had them registered. Eyebrows raised yet? Well, they were at the MTA as well. This gave MTA the brass nuggets to send the "transit police" to obtain a search warrant for (get this) "electronic terrorism" from one Magistrate Ronni B. MacLaren in Los Angeles Superior Court. The co-conspirator was Officer James A. Grimes (#34090), who at least did not request a night search warrant. That was January 4th, 2000 at about 2:35 p.m. January 5th, 2000 - 7:54 a.m. With the sun just making it over the Los Angeles basin's clear, cool sky, Denise Gonzalez' suddenly heard a God-awful noise downstairs - a noise that woke up her and has never allowed her to sleep soundly ever since. It was the sound of her front door leaving its hinges. "I had made it halfway down the stairs when they burst in like storm troopers. There I was, a middle aged, unarmed woman, in a long flannel nightgown, standing on the stairs. Two of them came through the door and pointed their guns at me," said Denise. "They were in black jackets, but not the helmets or ski masks." Most of them, in her words, "weren't jack booted thugs." But there was one in particular. Detective Doug Raymond who insisted that he knew more about the law and the Constitution than any other human being on earth, according to Gonzalez'. Denise suggested that he read the Constitutio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 12 Feb 2000 09:21:36 PST On Feb 12, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Gun Owners Bush Over McCain Now it's just Bush vs. McCain Feb. 9 Neal Knox Report -- After a third-place finish in yesterday's Delaware contest, Steve Forbes is withdrawing from the Republican Presidential contest. With pro-gun stalwart Alan Keyes hanging by a thread, the GOP nomination is now a two-man race. George W. Bush is rated a B by the Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association, while their own senator, John McCain is rated a C-minus. I concur with those ratings. Bush has taken a lot of heat from the press over his signing the Texas concealed carry licensing law, improvements to that law, and signing the law prohibiting Texas cities from suing gunmakers for acts by criminals. Though a lot of gunowners aren't fond of him (perhaps remembering the betrayal by his father), his support for gun show background checks and other gun bills are basically in line with NRA's positions. McCain is generally described by the media as "opposed to gun control" but when the Senate was considering the Juvenile Justice bill last May it was McCain who threatened Senate gun rights leaders with leading four other Senators to vote for the original Lautenberg gun show bill if they failed to bring up a mandatory gun show background check bill. The Republicans did, throwing their party into disarray and causing eventual passage of a slightly softer version of Lautenberg's gun show bill. McCain also was chief co-sponsor of a "campaign finance reform" bill that would have destroyed the ability of NRA and other pro-gun groups to inform gunowners of a candidate's gun record during the last two months of a campaign. He thanked now-NRA Vice President Sandra Froman and me for what NRA accomplished in the 1994 Arizona elections. "Unlike most politicians, I will never forget." Yet his bill would have prevented NRA from doing that which so pleased him. Since my old friend Alan Keyes has shown no ability to win any primary, if I were voting in the South Carolina primary it would be against McCain -- which means for George W. Bush. To paraphrase that great lawman Bill Jordan, in gunfights and politics there are no second place winners. ***************************************************************** Letter from Bush Campaign signed by Jeff Young the legislator who sponsored concealed carry in South Carolina and others. As fellow sportsmen, we are writing to you about the Republican presidential primary on February 19th. We strongly support Governor George W. Bush and encourage you to do so as well. George Bush has demonstrated a strong commitment to sportsmen's issues. He has shown himself to be a leader in the fight to protect the Second Amendment and an advocate for wildlife, land preservation and conservation. As Governor of Texas, George Bush has proven himself to be a champion of the right of law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms. In 1995, Governor Bush signed legislation allowing law-abiding Texans to carry concealed weapons after passing a background check and handgun training. While other Governors and municipal officials bowed to the pressure of gun-control advocates and the liberal media to sue the firearms industry, Governor Bush not only stood firm, he signed legislation prohibiting frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers. He sent a very clear message that gun manufacturers and law-abiding citizens are not responsible for crime. Criminals are! Governor Bush believes that the criminals who use a gun in the commission of a crime should be severely punished. That's why he helped launch "Texas Exile," an initiative aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of criminals through the enforcement of existing Texas laws. Convicted criminals caught committing a crime with a gun are prosecuted under a statute which provides for a mandatory five-year sentence in a federal prison. Governor Bush opposed the Clinton-Gore Administration's push for government mandated registration of private firearms and he would reverse the Clinton-Gore manipulation of the Brady law to maintain a registry of gun owners. Make no mistake: As president, George W. Bush will do everything in his power to ensure that criminals and children do not have access to handguns. At the same time, his commitment to our Second Amendment rights, our heritage and our freedom is unwavering. He will never bow to the knee-jerk hysteria that the anti-gun lobby and its forces in the media periodically create. It's no accident that the Republicans who know John McCain best -- his colleagues in the United States Senate -- overwhelmingly back Governor Bush. Senator Larry Craig of Idaho, a member of the National Rifle Association Board of Directors, believes Second Amendment rights are not rights determined by last night's polls. And Senator Craig has enthusiastically endorsed Governor Bush. Additionally, Governor Bush and Senator Craig are united in their opposition to the Clinton-Gore land grabs, an abuse of executive power which would close millions of acres of public land to outdoor recreation and possibly hunting. George Bush's track record of working effectively with the Legislature in Texas, bodes well for his ability to work with Congress to balance the protection of our natural resources with the public's right to enjoy our land. As an avid outdoorsman whose favorite pastime is fishing on an East Texas lake, Governor Bush is personally committed to the good stewardship of America's outdoor heritage. He will continue to ensure that we protect natural resources for future generations of hunters and fishermen. Safari Club International, an organization dedicated to wildlife conservation and hunting advocacy, has recognized Governor Bush's efforts, naming him SCI's "Governor of the Year." Governor Bush has championed the rights of Texas Sportsmen and private landowners while promoting natural resource conservation through cooperation, not confrontation. He has worked with federal agencies, local communities, private landowners and conservation groups in protecting wildlife and habitats. The Governor is committed to building conservation partnerships between federal and state governments, local communities and private landowners to preserve our outdoor heritage. He will fully fund the Land and Water Conservation Fund and believes that half that fund should be guaranteed for state and local conservation initiatives. We are confident that George W. Bush is the best choice to lead our nation. He is the most solid and principled conservative in the race and a true advocate for Second Amendment rights. Your support for Governor Bush in this critical South Carolina primary will help increase the sportsmen's voice in this election. Please join us in backing Governor George W. Bush for President and put a true outdoorsman in the White House. Sincerely, Jeff Young legislator who sponsored concealed Carry in South Carolina ************************************************************* >From The 2ndAmendmentNews Team If you received this as a forward and wish to join please send: E-MAil to listserver@frostbit.com with the following text in the message body: SUBSCRIBE 2nd-Amendment-News We have had a computer error. If you want to be removed send a message to the list administrator, send E-mail to luz.clark@prodigy.net If you know anyone who would appreciate these alerts, please let us know and we'll enroll them on a trial basis. Also, feel free to forward our alerts. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - n rather than the Communist Manifesto. "Do you think the Second Amendment is to be used to defend against Forth Amendment violations?" asked Detective Raymond. Denise replied, "Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. And so did the founding fathers." According to the search warrant obtained by the Sierra Times, the mission was to grab such deadly weapons as: "...Any computing or data processing devices and associated peripheral equipment such as computer units, central processing units, external drives and/or external storage devices, tape and/or other disks, modems . . . ." What about real weapons, you ask? They didn't forget them, even though the accusation was about "electronic harrassment." The warrant included: "Handguns, rifles, and shotguns of any caliber/gauge and any ammunition for any handguns, and shotguns, any miscellaneous gun pieces or parts, any photographs of guns, or paperwork... purchases, storage, disposition, or dominion and control over any of the above items. . . ." You get the drift. It took about 4 hours, but the Gonzalez' were cleaned out and left with the threat of a possible arrest in the future. Sierra Times will not disclose what was taken. But we can say this: They even took the crossbow. To date, there have been no criminal charges. But the damage has already been done. During the search and seizure, Denise was asked, "Where are the guns? We know you have them because we found registrations issued to Ruben Gonzalez.." Get it? The Gonzalez' opened their hardened safe as an alternative to the MTA police opening it - by force. They were even asked if they had any knives. Ruben, who was not home when the raid first started to take place (but arrived about an hour later after Denise called him to come home) has sought counseling to deal with the fears that both he and his wife endure nightly. Both live with the emotional scars of wondering when they may come back again. Denise said, "The police officers left with all our property. They violated our Fifth Amendment right; we were denied due process. They left us with a broken front door with no means to secure it; and with no means of self-defense." It also cost Denise her desktop publishing business. All because of "a court system and police body that is out of control," according to Denise Gonzalez "The MTA lied to get the search warrant. They failed to mention that we have a pending lawsuit against them and that we've been subjected to intimidation, harassment and terrorism by them for five years. Five years!" She finished by stating, "We are not the terrorists. We were terrorized by state-sanctioned terrorists." Both are hoping something can be done, as they are going broke due to legal bills. Perhaps nothing can be done, but Sierra Times will be seeking information from the men of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in Los Angeles County, California who all left business cards at the Gonzalez' home. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 12 Feb 2000 12:44:51 -0800 The usual BS. "Basically in line with the NRA's position" is precisely the problem. The NRA is middle-of-the-road Repub tacticians. They don't believe in the Constitution either -- pragmatic position, I guess. "No second-place winners" is code for "best of 2 evils short-run, lose in the long-run". Throw away your votes -- vote for someone who doesn't even pretend to believe in the Constitution. Feel good that your 'side' 'won'. I don't see any difference in Dems vs Repubs, myself. McCain vs Bush vs Bradley vs Gore doesn't make a damn bit of difference in the long-term for the Constitution -- we just continue losing it slightly faster or slower. How can you expect any politician to change unless there is a reason? Not one will try for an A rating on any Constitutional issues as long as C is good enough. When enough of us only vote for As in Constitution, we will begin to get choices of Bs consistently, B+s a lot, and As at least some of the time. If we vote for Bs, we get Cs and worse. If you want to turn things around, make your votes real clear: vote Libertarian. They are the only national party which believes in the Constitution. Too radical for you? Then you don't believe in the Constitution yourself. Lew Glendenning The CONSTITUTION, the WHOLE CONSTITUTION, and NOTHING BUT the CONSTITUTION! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 9:22 AM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) > > > On Feb 12, Weldon Clark wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > --------------------] > > Gun Owners Bush Over McCain > > Now it's just Bush vs. McCain > > Feb. 9 Neal Knox Report -- After a third-place finish in > yesterday's Delaware contest, Steve Forbes is withdrawing > from the Republican Presidential contest. > > With pro-gun stalwart Alan Keyes hanging by a thread, the > GOP nomination is now a two-man race. > > George W. Bush is rated a B by the Arizona State Rifle and > Pistol Association, while their own senator, John McCain is > rated a C-minus. I concur with those ratings. > > Bush has taken a lot of heat from the press over his signing > the Texas concealed carry licensing law, improvements to > that law, and signing the law prohibiting Texas cities from > suing gunmakers for acts by criminals. > > Though a lot of gunowners aren't fond of him (perhaps > remembering the betrayal by his father), his support for gun > show background checks and other gun bills are basically in > line with NRA's positions. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [JMcIntire@freecongress.org: [CP-News] DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS on Date: 12 Feb 2000 12:49:18 PST On Feb 11, ALLEN BENZ wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: JMcIntire@freecongress.org (Julie McIntire) Subject: [CP-News] DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS on the (DHHS) medical record "invasi Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:14:06 -0500 DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS on the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) medical record "invasion" regulations is THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 17! You can send your comments to Congressman Ron Paul's website: http://stopbigbrother.org If you haven't already sent in comments on the so-called medical "privacy" regulations, does this mean * it's not important to you? * you hope someone else will do it? * you're too busy? * you feel your efforts will have little impact? I doubt the first, the second will not happen, the third must be put in perspective with how much time it will take you to fight to get health care the next time your medical record is used against you, and the fourth is what DHHS officials hope you will feel. Please write immediately. Managing (limiting) your access to health care services according to your lifestyle, age, productivity, values, political leanings, functional status, religious beliefs, and societal "worth" cannot happen if government officials---and their HMO collaborators---are forced to acquire your consent prior to accessing your medical, psychological, and demographic data. As it stands now, these regulations will allow others to access your medical records to begin building a comprehensive medical, social, and psychological file (under one patient ID number) that can be used against you, pitting your medical needs against "limited resources" and the presumed needs of the entire population---or society. NOTE A DHHS TACTIC TO LIMIT COMMENTS: the ACLU set up a specific fax line through their website to allow ACLU members and advocates to fax comments to DHHS. Only after 2,400 fax comments came into DHHS did [they] notify the ACLU that the fax comments wouldn't be considered "offical comments" for consideration of the final regulations. THEREFORE, take 30 minutes and go to http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/ Scroll down to #2 to read and comment (be as elementary, or sophisticated as you prefer), OR look through the list of sections in #3 and click on only those sections that appear most egregious to you. Then you can comment on just those sections. For example: *Use and Disclosure for Treatment, Payment and Health Care Operations (very broad definitions allow virtually unlimited HMO use of data!) *Introduction to Uses and Disclosures Without Individual Authorization, which include the following (note that each of these 6 topics below are separately listed on the#3 list): *Uses and Disclosures for Public Health Activities (surveillance) *Use and Disclosure for Health Oversight Activities (gov't monitoring of medical decisions) *Disclosure for Law Enforcement (police access without warrant/court order) *Uses and Disclosures for Governmental Health Data Systems (disease-specific registries) *Uses and Disclosures for Research (eliminates voluntary consent requirements) *Uses and Disclosures in Emergency Circumstances (national security loophole) *Right to Restrict Uses and Disclosures (misleading given the "rights of access" granted above) *Adherence to the Notice of Information Practices (virtually meaningless) OR YOU CAN WRITE IN YOUR COMMENTS: Send original comments (these can be general comments about the entire regulation or specifically relate to sections of the regulations) and 3 copies of the comments to: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation Attention: Privacy-P Room G-322A, Hubert H. Humphrey Building 200 Independence Ave. SW Washington, D.C. 20201 Re: 45 CFR Parts 160 through 164: "Standards for Privacy of Individually Identifiable Health Information; Proposed Rule" CONTACT YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IMMEDIATELY AND RESPECTFULLY: 1) Congressional Representative http://www.house.gov/writerep/ or The Honorable _________ U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515 2) U.S. Senators http://www.senate.gov/ or The Honorable _________ U.S. Senate Washington, DC 20510 3) Capitol Switchboard 202-225-3121 THE DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 17. WRITE NOW WHILE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO STAY OFF GOVERNMENT DATABASES, UNMONITORED BY PUBLIC HEALTH SURVEILLANCE, AND FREE FROM SOCIETAL "WORTH" ASSESSMENTS BASED ON DETAILED PATIENT AND FAMILY PROFILES. **************************************** "A citizens' resource for designing the future of health care" **************************************** Citizens' Council on Health Care 1954 University Ave. W., Suite 8 St. Paul, MN 55104 651-646-8935p 651-646-0100fx http://www.cchc-mn.org For more information read the Washington Posts article "A Fight Over the Fax: HHS Rejects Comments Via ACLU on Medical Privacy" at http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/fedpage/A34346-2000Feb10.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Top 10 Reasons NY Voters should reject hellary (fwd) Date: 12 Feb 2000 14:06:39 PST On Feb 12, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Please pass on. From the Home of Rich & Peggy Martin Grand Prairie, TX 75050 RichSlick@aol.com It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice. _______________________________________________ INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY I'll tell you, this one I liked. Wish I would have thought up "hellary". They did, however, forget to mention what a laughing stock this woman is. Her claim that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, for instance, is as dumb as to claim to have invented the internet. (That's a 2-fer!) Great links, but the one I couldn't find again was the FEC site listing all presidential candidates, which included the name of the Democratic candidate for the Senate from New York, Hillary Clinton. What happened to the site; what happened to the money? Rich Martin Editor of Slick Top 10 Reasons Why New Yorkers Should Reject Hillary Clinton (brought to you by www.ImpeachClintonAgain.org) MUGGING. Hillary has made 34 trips to New York so far and is spending over $250,000 per trip of your tax dollars! (Source: Clinton Investigative Commission 7/3/99; 8/31/99) INSIDER TRADING. Hillary once turned a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 windfall. Where was the SEC on this one? (Source: National Review, 6/8/99) ILLEGAL HOME BUYING. Hillary has purchased a $1.3 million dollar home despite the First Couple's debt of over $5 million. Clinton crony Terry MacAuliffe backed their loan as a gift to them, which is against federal tax and financial disclosure laws. (Source: Washington Times, 9/11/99) CARPETBAGGING. Hillary has never been a resident of New York, yet arrogantly assumes that she should be crowned your Senator all the while spending your tax money on her luxurious trips --- including nearly $500 nights at the Waldorf-Astoria. (Source: Clinton Investigative Commission 6/21/99) DECEPTION. Did you know that the Federal Election Commission officially lists Hillary as a =93presidential candidate?=94 Should New Yorkers allow their state to be a stomping ground by an outsider who may really be planning to replace her husband in the Oval Office? (Source: http://www.FEC.gov) PANDERING. Hillary's =93listening tour=94 has resulted in one ethnic-vote-buying-scheme after another. First, she claimed she was Jewish because of a long-lost uncle in her family tree. Then, along with her claims she was black because of her great-great-grandfather, she courted the support of black racist Al Sharpton. (Source: New York Post 6/27/99) FILEGATE. Hillary ordered the illegal collection of private FBI background files on over 1,000 former Reagan and Bush administration officials. (Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org) TREASON. Hillary was instrumental courting millions of dollars in illegal Chinese communist money for her husband's 1996 re-election. (Source: http://www.JohnnyChung.com) TERRORIST TIES. Despite Hillary's public flip-flops on the issue, Bill Clinton's shameful pardon of 12 Puerto Rican terrorists of the murderous FALN was Hillary's scheme to win over the 1 million Puerto Rican voters in New York. (Source: Washington Times 9/10/99) MURDER. Hillary received secret documents during the planning of the Waco massacre. And Oscar-nominated filmmaker Michael McNulty has revealed that on the night Vince Foster died, three secret Waco-related documents were removed from Foster's office. (Source: The Drudge Report 8/29/99) < >> HillaryNo.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [harpazo] A REDNECK VALENTINE (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 08:19:09 PST Too bad not to pass along.....:-) On Feb 12, Tarsh5349@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A REDNECK VALENTINE Collards is green, my dog's name is blue and I'm so lucky to have a sweet thang like you. Yore hare is like cornsilk a-flapping in the breeze. Softer than Blue's and without them fleas. You move like the bass, Which excite me in May. You anin't got no scales but I luv you anyway. Yo're as satisfy'n as orky jist a fry'n in the pan. Yo're as fragrant as "snuff" right out of the can. You have some'a yore teeth, for which i am proud; I hold my head high when we're in a crowd. On special occasions, when you shave under yore arms, well, I'm in hawg heaven, and awed by yore charms. Still them fellers at work, they all want to know, what I did to deserve such a purdy, young doe. Like a good roll of duct tape yo're there fer yore man, to patch up life's troubles and fix what you can. Yo're as cute as a junebug a-buzzin' overhead. You ain't mean like those far ants I found in my bed. Cut from the best cloth like a plaid flannel shirt, your spark up my life more than a fresh load of dirt. When you hold me real tight like a padded gunrack, my life is complete; Ain't nuttin' I lack. Me 'n' you's like a Moon Pie with a RC cold drank, we go together like a skunk goes with stank. Some men, they buy chocolate for Vanentine's Day; They git it at Walmart, it's romantic that way. Some men get roses On that special day from the cooler at Kroger. "That's impressive," I say. Some men buy fine diamonds from a flee market booth. "Diamonds are forever," they explain, suave and couth. But for this man, honey, these won't do. Cause yor'e too special, you sweet thang you. I got you a gift, without taste nor odor, more usefull than diamonds... It's a new troll'n motor! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [harpazo] Interesting School Textbooks these days... (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 08:19:56 PST On Feb 12, InTheRiver wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Your Child's Textbooks When a majority of the children in this country are essentially being taught fascism/socialism, and their parents aren't even aware of it, what are the chances of returning to a consitutional republic? What galls me is not only are we forced to pay for this compulsory socialistically funded education, but that we are financing our own destruction and sentencing our children to lives of servitude. These are just a few excerpts taken from your children's textbooks. These, and many more examples can be found in "None Dare Call It Education" by John A. Stormer (Liberty Bell Press, 1998): ----- Develop a skit based upon the need to redistribute land. The main characters should be wealthy landowners, landless farmers, and government officals. Let each explain how the redistribution would affect them, and have each suggest possibilities of solving the problem so all would benefit. ---From a high schoool geography text, Land and People (Scott Foresman) The United States has increasingly curbed the selfish and provided for the welfare of the many. The Government has established the Children's Bureau to look after the welfare of every child born in America. ---American Government, F. A. Magruder ...ask students whether they would consider going to a dentist...or use a doctor who practiced medicine as it was practiced in the thirteen colonies? ...ask them how they manage to live under a United States Constitution that is 200 years old. Is that Constitution as out of date as the dental and medical techniques of 200 years ago? ---American Government, McGraw-Hill/Webster The Constituion is not a rigid document. Because of imprecise language in some sections, it is open to interpretation. Most historians feel that this more of a strength than a weakness. A level of interpretation is ensured, while another level can be interpreted by successive generations...by unofficial [change] method is meant the Supreme Court's interpretation...which differs sometimes depending on the views of the new justices. ---A More Perfect Union, Houghton-Mifflin, 8th grade Because of sickness, accidents, and occasional unemployment it is difficult or impossible for a laborer who has reared a family to save from his meager wages. And it is more just to place all the burden of supporting those who have been unfortunate, or even shiftless upon everybody instead of upon some dutiful son or daughter who is not responsible for the condition. --American Government, Magruder Stress that whether a specific action is right or wrong depends on the meaning that a given group attaches to the action. --Around Our World, Teacher's Edition, Houghton-Mifflin, 6th grade social studies In the 1920's, many Americans were excessively nationalistic and tolerantly patriotic...The official (Ku Klux) Klan literature refelcted the average middle class in its assertions of "100 percent Americanism." --The United States: Experiment in Democracy, Craven and Johson And as far as "values clarification" and "character education" in response to the violence occurring on school campuses, like students being told that America was founded as a "democracy," the "ethics" that will be instituted will fall into this category: There are exceptions to almost all moral laws, depending on the situation. What is wrong in one instance may be right in another. --Inquiries in Sociology, Allyn & Bacon, high school psychology text The moralistic value system remained firm in rural areas and small town of America until World War II ...since World War II rural and small town America began to pass into history. Today urban America, with a changing set of values is taking over...Protestant evangelists continue to crisscross the land, attempting to revitalize the old religion, the old culture...They preach the old values, the old standards, the "old-time religion" ...But now they represent a waning culture. ---Perspectives In United States History, Field Since the dawn of history, human beings and other (particularly social) animals have regulated their reproduction... thus valuable energy has not been spent on offspring that are not likely to survive...Induced abortion is probably the oldest human birth control method known. Abortion was accepted, and fairly common in the United States and Europe until the early nineteenth century...Religious and ethical opposition did not develop until some time later. ---Biology II, Rinehart & Winston [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 09:52:09 PST Perhaps it's time to start uplifting Keyes in Prayer, and passing the word along..... On Feb 13, Harry Gilbert wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Bill Vance wrote: > On Feb 12, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: > > >Keyes clearly supports the RKBA. McCain does not. Bush > >may be wishy-washy. > > > >Now then, one option would be to support Keyes as much as possible > >in the primaries, to clearly make the point that firearms owners > >are a major constituency, and the GOP takes us for granted at their > >peril. > > That's what I figure, too. Who knows, he might just make it, but if he > doesn't, we've at least given the message to the guy who does. > In Michigan, the local papers are gushing over McCain, and questioning Bush's ability to win, while totally ignoring Keyes. Even columnist Thomas Sowell talks about McCain and Bush, ignores Keyes. It's a policy of nearly total silence (they DID show a picture of Keyes sitting quiety, "praying before a speech", but failed to report his speech or his issues at all). [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] THE WAY WE SEE IT 2/14/00 (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 09:38:24 PST On Feb 13, APLsauce@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] grassroots alliance presents=20 The Way We See It 2/14/00 email address APLsauce@AOL.com Tel. 727 943-2438 Mail Shep Shepardson P.O. Box 3251, Holiday FL 34690 AND NOW, IT=92S YOUR TURN What is it that has turned around the government envisioned by our=20 forefathers. Was it Abe Lincoln? Well, partially. You don=92t believe that? Why not? It= =92s a=20 fact of history. The Civil War began over states rights. Lincoln, in order not to be blamed=20 for the breakup of the United States, took up the challenge.=20 As the south seceded from the Union, Lincoln fought back. But yet, in the thinking of the founding fathers,they felt that any state=20 should be able to pull out of the Union if they felt that this form of=20 government was not workable. It wasn=92t until 1863 that Mr. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation= in=20 order to make this a war over slavery and not state=92s rights. By doing so=20= he=20 had hoped to solidify the northern states who were only halfheartedly=20 supporting =93Lincoln=92s War.=94 He succeeded. And thus was the beginning of the end of states rights.=20 The Federal Government was only to help protect this new nation against=20 foreign intervention and settle disputes between states. That was it. This intent has been lost through our history. But if you dig back far enoug= h=20 it will stand out like a sore thumb. Don=92t get me wrong. I do not accept slavery or domination of one group ove= r=20 another. But to continue on. The second major event which shook up the style of=20 government our forefathers had designed was the usurpation of our banking=20 system in 1913 and the subsequent method of collecting taxes. Even Woodrow=20 Wilson who accepted this idea later made the statement that he had ruined th= e=20 country. >From then on, the road to socialism grew wider and wider. We have discussed many of the continuing changes is recent issues. If you=20 want to review those later issues, contact us. ALONG WITH ALL THE ABOVE.... ....comes the shirking of responsibility by our elected and non elected=20 employees. How, you say? Our elected employees were supposed to go to the Capitol for a couple of=20 months and take our regional problems and suggestions with them in order to=20 provide solutions.=20 They were then supposed to return home to their districts and their jobs. Bu= t=20 what has happened? Staying in the Capitol was much easier than returning=20 home. This way they could send out letters of their supposed accomplishments= =20 and not be questioned. And of course, they gave up their jobs. How could they live you ask?=20 Simplicity again. They gave themselves a retirement package which would take= =20 care of all their needs. If they didn=92t remain in elective office long=20 enough, they simply became lobbyists. NOW LET=92S LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN IN THE SYSTEM How could such a self-monitoring system break down? Here was a system of=20 government that depended on all parts functioning to keep the balance=20 required by such a system. And it has almost failed completely. Why? Is there a balance among the 3 branches of government? No. The biggest=20 failure there has been the allowing the president to assume some of the=20 legislative branches responsibility by allowing the president to issue=20 Executive Orders.=20 Congress remains in session all year long with the exception of an occasiona= l=20 break here and there. But then, everyone needs a vacation. These are but 2 of the main breakdowns. But the largest breakdown come from the 4th branch of government. 4th branch you say? What are you, nuts? There are only 3. No my friends, there are 4, and you, as a citizen are part of the 4th branch= .=20 And it goes without saying that you have been just as lax in your=20 responsibilities as have members of at least 2 other branches. You have=20 allowed them to pull the wool over your eyes and make you disgusted long=20 enough so that you refuse to exercise you responsibility faithfully.=20 And that responsibility is to VOTE and VOTE wisely. Only you can correct our= =20 governments. =20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 11:48:45 -0800 I listenened to part of Keyes' speach recently, National Press Club, I believe. Impressive mind. Nevertheless, a moralist. I may agree with 95% of his morals, his statements about the moral decline of America, ... But, he leaves me queasy because his approach will ultimately leave me as an outsider in his America. Ultimately, Keyes is a moralist before he is a Constitutionalist. Fatal flaw. The Libertarian position has room for a Keyes. Keyes doesn't have room for Libertarians. Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:52 AM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) > > > Perhaps it's time to start uplifting Keyes in Prayer, and passing the word > along..... > > On Feb 13, Harry Gilbert wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > --------------------] > > Bill Vance wrote: > > > On Feb 12, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: > > > > >Keyes clearly supports the RKBA. McCain does not. Bush > > >may be wishy-washy. > > > > > >Now then, one option would be to support Keyes as much as possible > > >in the primaries, to clearly make the point that firearms owners > > >are a major constituency, and the GOP takes us for granted at their > > >peril. > > > > That's what I figure, too. Who knows, he might just make it, but if he > > doesn't, we've at least given the message to the guy who does. > > > > In Michigan, the local papers are gushing over McCain, and > questioning Bush's > ability to win, while totally ignoring Keyes. Even columnist > Thomas Sowell > talks about McCain and Bush, ignores Keyes. It's a policy of nearly total > silence (they DID show a picture of Keyes sitting quiety, > "praying before a > speech", but failed to report his speech or his issues at all). > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message > ------------------------] > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 12:37:55 PST On Feb 13, Lew Glendenning wrote: > >I listenened to part of Keyes' speach recently, National Press Club, I >believe. > >Impressive mind. > >Nevertheless, a moralist. I may agree with 95% of his morals, his >statements about the moral decline of America, ... But, he leaves me queasy >because his approach will ultimately leave me as an outsider in his America. Refering to??? >Ultimately, Keyes is a moralist before he is a Constitutionalist. Meaning what? The Constitution itself is a moralist document. >Fatal flaw. > >The Libertarian position has room for a Keyes. Keyes doesn't have room for >Libertarians. Again, refering to??? >Lew > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance >> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:52 AM >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) >> >> >> Perhaps it's time to start uplifting Keyes in Prayer, and passing the word >> along..... >> >> On Feb 13, Harry Gilbert wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows >> --------------------] >> >> Bill Vance wrote: >> >> > On Feb 12, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: >> > >> > >Keyes clearly supports the RKBA. McCain does not. Bush >> > >may be wishy-washy. >> > > >> > >Now then, one option would be to support Keyes as much as possible >> > >in the primaries, to clearly make the point that firearms owners >> > >are a major constituency, and the GOP takes us for granted at their >> > >peril. >> > >> > That's what I figure, too. Who knows, he might just make it, but if he >> > doesn't, we've at least given the message to the guy who does. >> > >> >> In Michigan, the local papers are gushing over McCain, and >> questioning Bush's >> ability to win, while totally ignoring Keyes. Even columnist >> Thomas Sowell >> talks about McCain and Bush, ignores Keyes. It's a policy of nearly total >> silence (they DID show a picture of Keyes sitting quiety, >> "praying before a >> speech", but failed to report his speech or his issues at all). >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message >> ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wbg Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain/lew Date: 13 Feb 2000 13:25:53 -0800 (PST) Leww wrote: > > I listenened to part of Keyes' speach recently, National Press Club, I > believe. > > Impressive mind. > > Nevertheless, a moralist. I may agree with 95% of his morals, his > statements about the moral decline of America, ... But, he leaves me queasy > because his approach will ultimately leave me as an outsider in his America. > > Ultimately, Keyes is a moralist before he is a Constitutionalist. > > Fatal flaw. > > The Libertarian position has room for a Keyes. Keyes doesn't have room for > Libertarians. > > Lew wbg: Extremely well put, Lew. There are *no* candidates, from any party, this time, who put the Constitution ahead of everything else, as they should. Keyes comes the closest, but as you point out, his stance is flawed. Brewster -- ************************************************************** "Throughout recorded history, without exception, it has been the sole accomplishment of organized government to deprive their populations of their Liberty and of their Property." --John C. Calhoun ************************************************************** W. Brewster Gillett wbg@hevanet.com Portland, Oregon USA *********************************************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 15:30:20 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:48 AM > > I listenened to part of Keyes' speach recently, National Press Club, I > believe. > > Impressive mind. > > Nevertheless, a moralist. I may agree with 95% of his morals, his > statements about the moral decline of America, ... But, he leaves me queasy > because his approach will ultimately leave me as an outsider in his America. So? A couple of questions. Why would it concern someone who holds Libertarian ideals whether they are an "Outsider" or an "Insider"? Even if it is a matter for concern, which is preferable: To be an outsider in HIS America, or to be an "Outsider" in the America of Clinton, Bush, McCain, Gore, and other Fellow Travelers of their ilk? > > Ultimately, Keyes is a moralist before he is a Constitutionalist. > > Fatal flaw. > > The Libertarian position has room for a Keyes. Keyes doesn't have room for > Libertarians. > > Lew Frankly, I have far less concern about the flaws of Keyes than I have of any of the others, including those who would vote for those others. I'm an outsider already. Have been for a long time. I have no confidence that the future will change that. And you know what? I Just. Don't. Care. "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion...Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --John Adams Stay low, keep moving, watch your six, Harry Barnett - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2000 18:08:13 -0800 The Constitution is a system design document. It requires ethical people to execute the design -- honest, positive sum games, ... It is not a moralistic document itself. It allows people who have morals (a set of ethical principals + "rules to live by") to get along with others who have equally valid, but different morals. It is specifically designed to prvent any one such group from forcing their version of morals down the throats of anyone else. "Freedom of religion", you know. Does Keyes favor repealing all Fed legislation regulatiing ALL drugs NOW? Prostitution? ... Abortion? Medical care? If not, he isn't primarily a Constitutionalist. Nevertheless, I am more impressed with Keyes' mind than any other Republican. Can't really be sure any of the others have ever had an original thought. Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:38 PM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) > > > On Feb 13, Lew Glendenning wrote: > > > > >I listenened to part of Keyes' speach recently, National Press Club, I > >believe. > > > >Impressive mind. > > > >Nevertheless, a moralist. I may agree with 95% of his morals, his > >statements about the moral decline of America, ... But, he > leaves me queasy > >because his approach will ultimately leave me as an outsider in > his America. > > Refering to??? > > >Ultimately, Keyes is a moralist before he is a Constitutionalist. > > Meaning what? The Constitution itself is a moralist document. > > >Fatal flaw. > > > >The Libertarian position has room for a Keyes. Keyes doesn't > have room for > >Libertarians. > > Again, refering to??? > > >Lew > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > >> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:52 AM > >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) > >> > >> > >> Perhaps it's time to start uplifting Keyes in Prayer, and > passing the word > >> along..... > >> > >> On Feb 13, Harry Gilbert wrote: > >> > >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > >> --------------------] > >> > >> Bill Vance wrote: > >> > >> > On Feb 12, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: > >> > > >> > >Keyes clearly supports the RKBA. McCain does not. Bush > >> > >may be wishy-washy. > >> > > > >> > >Now then, one option would be to support Keyes as much as possible > >> > >in the primaries, to clearly make the point that firearms owners > >> > >are a major constituency, and the GOP takes us for granted at their > >> > >peril. > >> > > >> > That's what I figure, too. Who knows, he might just make > it, but if he > >> > doesn't, we've at least given the message to the guy who does. > >> > > >> > >> In Michigan, the local papers are gushing over McCain, and > >> questioning Bush's > >> ability to win, while totally ignoring Keyes. Even columnist > >> Thomas Sowell > >> talks about McCain and Bush, ignores Keyes. It's a policy of > nearly total > >> silence (they DID show a picture of Keyes sitting quiety, > >> "praying before a > >> speech", but failed to report his speech or his issues at all). > >> > >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message > >> ------------------------] > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: www.millionmommarch.com (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2000 06:50:58 PST On Feb 13, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reply-To: nj-rkba@toto.com This group is planning a march on Washington on Mother's Day, Sunday, May 14th, 2000 to protest our owning firearms without further restrictions They have a toll free number which means THEY PAY for every call they get! Let's put them out of business! 1-888-989-MOMS (6667). Call often! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2000 09:49:21 PST The Constitution requires a moral and religious people, and is totally unsuited to the governance of any other. -- Mason or Madison if memory serves..... On Feb 13, Lew Glendenning wrote: >The Constitution is a system design document. It requires ethical people to >execute the design -- honest, positive sum games, ... > >It is not a moralistic document itself. It allows people who have morals (a >set of ethical principals + "rules to live by") to get along with others who >have equally valid, but different morals. It is specifically designed to >prvent any one such group from forcing their version of morals down the >throats of anyone else. "Freedom of religion", you know. > >Does Keyes favor repealing all Fed legislation regulatiing ALL drugs NOW? >Prostitution? ... Abortion? Medical care? If not, he isn't primarily a >Constitutionalist. > >Nevertheless, I am more impressed with Keyes' mind than any other >Republican. Can't really be sure any of the others have ever had an >original thought. > >Lew >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance >> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:38 PM >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) >> >> >> On Feb 13, Lew Glendenning wrote: >> >> > >> >I listenened to part of Keyes' speach recently, National Press Club, I >> >believe. >> > >> >Impressive mind. >> > >> >Nevertheless, a moralist. I may agree with 95% of his morals, his >> >statements about the moral decline of America, ... But, he >> leaves me queasy >> >because his approach will ultimately leave me as an outsider in >> his America. >> >> Refering to??? >> >> >Ultimately, Keyes is a moralist before he is a Constitutionalist. >> >> Meaning what? The Constitution itself is a moralist document. >> >> >Fatal flaw. >> > >> >The Libertarian position has room for a Keyes. Keyes doesn't >> have room for >> >Libertarians. >> >> Again, refering to??? >> >> >Lew >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >> >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:52 AM >> >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com >> >> Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) >> >> >> >> >> >> Perhaps it's time to start uplifting Keyes in Prayer, and >> passing the word >> >> along..... >> >> >> >> On Feb 13, Harry Gilbert wrote: >> >> >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows >> >> --------------------] >> >> >> >> Bill Vance wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 12, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >Keyes clearly supports the RKBA. McCain does not. Bush >> >> > >may be wishy-washy. >> >> > > >> >> > >Now then, one option would be to support Keyes as much as possible >> >> > >in the primaries, to clearly make the point that firearms owners >> >> > >are a major constituency, and the GOP takes us for granted at their >> >> > >peril. >> >> > >> >> > That's what I figure, too. Who knows, he might just make >> it, but if he >> >> > doesn't, we've at least given the message to the guy who does. >> >> > >> >> >> >> In Michigan, the local papers are gushing over McCain, and >> >> questioning Bush's >> >> ability to win, while totally ignoring Keyes. Even columnist >> >> Thomas Sowell >> >> talks about McCain and Bush, ignores Keyes. It's a policy of >> nearly total >> >> silence (they DID show a picture of Keyes sitting quiety, >> >> "praying before a >> >> speech", but failed to report his speech or his issues at all). >> >> >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message >> >> ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven A. Silver" Subject: [Fwd: New Jon Dougherty article on COA] Date: 14 Feb 2000 10:38:45 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B24C57EF882ADF174C2ADADF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Steve Silver Attorney at Law: http://www.silver-legal.com/ The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society: http://www.thelsas.org/ Citizens of America (fighting back): http://citizensofamerica.org/ Get the TRUTH About Guns: http://www.guntruths.com/ --------------B24C57EF882ADF174C2ADADF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.12]) by mail00.dfw.mindspring.net (Mindspring/Netcom Mail Service) with ESMTP id sa99pr.6l1.33qs884 Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.237.187.LosAngeles.Level3.net [63.208.237.187]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13453; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:15:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38A4A64E.13B1ADAF@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 For another view of COA and what it's doing, please visit WorldNet Daily columnist Jon Dougherty's column for Friday, Feb. 11, found at the link below: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty_com/20000211_xcjod_are_we_goi.shtml Mr. Dougherty's reference to $20 concerns the fact that if everyone receiving COA's most recent email contributed just $20, COA would have enough funds to complete ALL projects planned for year 2000. 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Visit http://www.citizensofamerica.org --------------B24C57EF882ADF174C2ADADF-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2000 13:04:35 -0800 I can even agree with this. But, I look for something MORE in anyone I vote for: strict adherence to the Constitution over and above any religion, ideology, personal morality, ... You don't have to have a Ph.D. in history to know that there have been more tyrannies based on religion than any other foundation. Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:49 AM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) > > > The Constitution requires a moral and religious people, and is totally > unsuited to the governance of any other. -- Mason or Madison if memory > serves..... > > On Feb 13, Lew Glendenning wrote: > > >The Constitution is a system design document. It requires > ethical people to > >execute the design -- honest, positive sum games, ... > > > >It is not a moralistic document itself. It allows people who > have morals (a > >set of ethical principals + "rules to live by") to get along > with others who > >have equally valid, but different morals. It is specifically designed to > >prvent any one such group from forcing their version of morals down the > >throats of anyone else. "Freedom of religion", you know. > > > >Does Keyes favor repealing all Fed legislation regulatiing ALL drugs NOW? > >Prostitution? ... Abortion? Medical care? If not, he isn't primarily a > >Constitutionalist. > > > >Nevertheless, I am more impressed with Keyes' mind than any other > >Republican. Can't really be sure any of the others have ever had an > >original thought. > > > >Lew > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > >> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:38 PM > >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: RE: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) > >> > >> > >> On Feb 13, Lew Glendenning wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >I listenened to part of Keyes' speach recently, National Press Club, I > >> >believe. > >> > > >> >Impressive mind. > >> > > >> >Nevertheless, a moralist. I may agree with 95% of his morals, his > >> >statements about the moral decline of America, ... But, he > >> leaves me queasy > >> >because his approach will ultimately leave me as an outsider in > >> his America. > >> > >> Refering to??? > >> > >> >Ultimately, Keyes is a moralist before he is a Constitutionalist. > >> > >> Meaning what? The Constitution itself is a moralist document. > >> > >> >Fatal flaw. > >> > > >> >The Libertarian position has room for a Keyes. Keyes doesn't > >> have room for > >> >Libertarians. > >> > >> Again, refering to??? > >> > >> >Lew > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > >> >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:52 AM > >> >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > >> >> Subject: Re: Gun Owners Bush Over McCain (fwd) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Perhaps it's time to start uplifting Keyes in Prayer, and > >> passing the word > >> >> along..... > >> >> > >> >> On Feb 13, Harry Gilbert wrote: > >> >> > >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > >> >> --------------------] > >> >> > >> >> Bill Vance wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > On Feb 12, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > >Keyes clearly supports the RKBA. McCain does not. Bush > >> >> > >may be wishy-washy. > >> >> > > > >> >> > >Now then, one option would be to support Keyes as much > as possible > >> >> > >in the primaries, to clearly make the point that firearms owners > >> >> > >are a major constituency, and the GOP takes us for > granted at their > >> >> > >peril. > >> >> > > >> >> > That's what I figure, too. Who knows, he might just make > >> it, but if he > >> >> > doesn't, we've at least given the message to the guy who does. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> In Michigan, the local papers are gushing over McCain, and > >> >> questioning Bush's > >> >> ability to win, while totally ignoring Keyes. Even columnist > >> >> Thomas Sowell > >> >> talks about McCain and Bush, ignores Keyes. It's a policy of > >> nearly total > >> >> silence (they DID show a picture of Keyes sitting quiety, > >> >> "praying before a > >> >> speech", but failed to report his speech or his issues at all). > >> >> > >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message > >> >> ------------------------] > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > RKBA! > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PETITION: Gun Control is not working] (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2000 19:38:24 PST On Feb 14, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I thought you might be interested in this petition. Please sign and pass it on... Gun Control is not working Click here to sign this petition: http://www.e-thepeople.com/petition.cfm?PETID=326290 Organization: RKBA! Hello, I thought you might be interested in this petition. Please sign and pass it on... Gun Control is not working Click here to sign this petition: http://www.e-thepeople.com/petition.cfm?PETID=326290 No matter how much we regulate and prohibit the use of guns, criminals will always have access to them. We must protect our Second Amendment Rights and start catching, prosecuting, and putting away criminals, not making more laws about gun ownership that have not and will not prevent crimes. The police can not always protect us from criminals and our rights to protect ourselves should not be taken away. 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Chris BeHanna maintains this list and disclaims all formal and legal responsibility for its content. ****************************************************************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [harpazo] The Slave Tax (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2000 20:46:41 PST On Feb 15, Ernie Gray wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi Folks. Here's an article I came across by Alan Keyes Oh, if only this message could be heard above the din that the media is making over the "front runners" We need to pray for this man to get elected or at least get a fair amount of exposure! Ernie +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Scrapping the Slave Tax by Alan Keyes Why is it that those who work hardest to deny the connection of "economic" and "moral" issues are also the ones who use money to manipulate the moral lives of Americans? The Bush/Forbes vote auction in Ames, Iowa, last weekend was just the latest example of corrosive big money at work in our political process. What could have been a genuine and informative test of grass roots support became instead a Roman circus of dancing girls, free banquets, and deluxe free transportation, as the money candidates worked hard to import enough well-fed and happy bodies to pump up their vote counts. The cause of self-government suffered as a result, as even Lamar Alexander can attest. In Ames, as in the political life of the Republic, money matters precisely because of its effect on the moral foundation of our life. Economic policy should be judged first in view of its effect on the character of this people. Let's turn away from the circus in Ames and consider the relation of money and character on a larger, and more important stage. In case anyone is seriously tempted to be content with the modest gestures toward tax cuts that Republicans are chattering about in Washington, let's remember that there is only one version of tax reform that is adequate for a free country: We must abolish the income tax and replace it with the tax system that was intended by our Founders -- a tax system that leaves our people in control of 100 percent of their dollars, reinforces the deep habits of responsible liberty, and puts in place a permanent and effective impediment to the unlimited fiscal ambitions of our government. Abolition of the income tax must be the premier goal of moral conservatives in the area of tax policy, and we must pursue this goal above all because of its moral dimension. The tax issue is a moral issue because it raises fundamental questions about the way American citizens will insist that they be treated by their government. The income tax is a slave tax, and accepting it will eventually replace the American spirit of ordered liberty with a materialistic servility. We should eliminate the tax code, repeal the 16th Amendment, and fund the government through tariffs, duties and excise taxes (i.e., sales taxes) as the Founders intended for good reason. Most people already pay state and local sales taxes, and so their implementation at the federal level would not be the wild and risky innovation some opponents imply. But even if it is difficult, the benefits would massively outweigh the effort. Just for starters, restoring tariffs and duties to their proper role will make foreign populations who benefit from access to the U.S. market share the burden of supporting the governmental system that guarantees its existence. But the important reasons lie deeper. Under a national sales tax, our income will be exposed to taxation only AFTER we make the decision about how to use it. Instead of waiting upon the whim of politicians and bureaucrats, we will control our own tax burden by controlling the amount and pattern of our consumption. And in larger economic terms, an excise tax system would impose natural limits on the rate of taxation -- excessive rates would shrink revenue just as surely as excessive prices shrink the revenue of producers of consumer goods. The government's revenue from taxation would depend on the voluntary choices of millions of citizens, and a government that couldn't elicit from those citizens their agreement to make taxable purchases would simply have to do without the corresponding revenue -- a tax cut "passed" by the people directly, not the Congress! This is what the Founders intended to be our economic situation -- ordinary citizens in the driver's seat of the economic patterns of their own lives. Liberty from the income tax would mean, of course, liberty from the IRS. We would no longer have our privacy invaded by a government that was interested -- officially and legally -- in rummaging about in our business to find out how much we make, where and how we make it, and what we do with it. These questions used to be considered private business, but now the government of this supposedly free people can ask them at its pleasure, compelling satisfactory answers with the threat of jail and confiscation. Such systemic bureaucratic intimidation is fundamentally contrary to any substantive notion of political liberty. By contrast, under a sales-tax system we would not have to report the facts of our individual economic situation or choices to a living soul. The servile presumptions built into the income tax system have already had a deeply corrosive effect on the quality and extent of the responsibility we take for our own lives. The distance the income tax has already taken us down the road to servitude can be demonstrated by considering how rarely it is that we even question the government's right to know how much money we make. We blithely file our income tax every year, straining to report with accuracy and completeness to anonymous clerks at a federal agency matters that we don't expect any but our closest friends to ask us about, and which we probably would not discuss with our own children. Has it occurred to us sufficiently to ask what right or legitimacy there is to this fiscal exhibitionism? The income tax is objectionable not only for economic reasons, and because the Founders took care to exclude it from the Constitution. It is also bad because it is based upon a premise that destroys one of the material foundations of privacy, and therefore of liberty. How can there be political liberty if there is no sphere of privacy beyond the reach of government? And how can there be such a sphere of privacy without a protected source of material support for it? A free and vigilant people should never have tolerated this totalitarian beachhead for a moment. The income tax is an inherently communistic tax, precisely because one of the prerequisites of freedom is a sphere of privacy. It is based upon the premise of the preemptive claim of the government to full knowledge of the material foundations of private life. But when we allow any aspect of our lives to be treated as intrinsically the concern of the government, we implicitly accept the role of government to judge and control that aspect. The only reason government has to know about something is in order to regulate and control it. And so in granting in principle that the government has a right to know everything about our economic life, we have granted its right to control it as well. And if we intend to deny the government comprehensive control over our economic life, we will have to deny its claim to comprehensive knowledge -- which is the essence of the income tax. Inevitably, then, the decades of implicit acknowledgment that we are not sovereign in our personal economic lives have been like a universal solvent, dissolving the private and personal resolve each of us should have to control responsibly the actions we take in the acquisition and expenditure of wealth. The habits of American liberty run deep and have shown impressive resiliency. But habits, though long-lived, can finally die. Eventually the logic of the slave tax will work its way through the whole man, and we will make our peace with servility. Unless, that is, we root the thing out soon. The issue is not the fairness or amount of the tax burden. The tax itself is the problem. The income tax must be replaced with a tax ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Major White House cover - up (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2000 20:43:35 PST On Feb 15, PROFAL5205@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] White House Accused Of New, Major Cover-Up By Jerry Seper and Andrew Cain The Washington Times http://208.246.212.80/national/news1-02152000.htm 2-15-2000 The White House hid thousands of e-mails containing information on Filegate, Chinagate, campaign finance abuses and Monica Lewinsky, all of which were under subpoena by a federal grand jury and three congressional committees, a former White House computer manager says. Sheryl L. Hall, chief of White House computer operations who has since moved to a similar position at the Treasury Department, said administration officials covered up the fact that electronic messages from August 1996 to November 1998 had not been surrendered, as required by law, deciding instead to label them as "classified" documents. She said the cover-up was part of a bid to delay the investigations into 2001. "Contractors working at the White House discovered the glitch showing that 100,000 White House e-mails involving nearly 500 computer users had not been located during the document search," said Mrs. Hall. "When the contractors told the White House about the problem, they were threatened, warned not to discuss it. They were told the documents were classified. "In fact, a White House official told one of the contractors they had a jail cell with his name on it if he discussed the matter," she said. At least 4,000 of the e-mails involved or related to Miss Lewinsky, the former White House intern with whom President Clinton has admitted having a sexual relationship, she said. The veteran computer manager, who left the White House after being demoted for questioning the propriety of the administration's use of a database system for political purposes, has since become a critic of the White House. She has accused first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and nine White House political appointees in a pending lawsuit of job harassment and reprisals for her complaints. The suit has been filed in U.S. District Court in Washington by Judicial Watch, a public interest law firm. In addition to the Lewinsky messages, she said hundreds of other e-mails included references to the White House's receiving secret FBI files on former Reagan and Bush administration officials; information on the selection of corporate executives for overseas trade trips; and messages concerning campaign finance activities in the 1996 election. She said the glitch was first discovered in May 1998, when the contractors traced a programming error on one of four White House servers back to August 1996. The error involved e-mails to and from 464 White House computer users and the problem was not fixed until November 1998. The White House e-mails had been sought under subpoena by a federal grand jury, the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee and the House Government Reform Committee. They also were sought by Judicial Watch in separate pending suits involving Filegate and Chinagate. Mrs. Hall, who was assigned to the White House in October 1992 from the Naval Sea Systems Command, said the missing e-mails were discovered when the contractor, Northrop Grumman Corp., found that one of the four White House Lotus Notes e-mail servers handling the mail for about 500 computer users had been mislabeled and that a White House search of electronic messages under the subpoenas was incomplete. She said e-mails from that server were not properly managed for a two-year period - meaning they were not collected by the mainframe computer during the subpoena record search. Mrs. Hall said White House project directors, Mark Lindsay and Laura Crabtree, were told by Northrop Grumman of the glitch but chose not to make the problem public. "There's no doubt they knew the search had not been complete, and the missing records included those involving Miss Lewinsky and other matters of concern," she said. "They could have retrieved the documents, and they should have done it forthrightly." Mr. Lindsay, head of the White House Office of Management and Administration, did not return calls seeking comment. Miss Crabtree, customer support branch chief at the White House who has since moved to the Labor Department, was unavailable for comment. White House spokesman James Kennedy said administration officials made "a good faith effort to respond in a timely fashion to all requests for information" sought under subpoena, but declined to elaborate. "We generally do not discuss the details of particular requests," he said. Mr. Kennedy would not address Mrs. Hall's accusation that 100,000 electronic messages were not turned over, saying he was "not going to get into the specifics of any allegation." Northrup Grumman spokesman Larry Hamilton, who said he was unfamiliar with the White House contract and would check with others at Northrup Grumman to determine what might have happened, did not call back. In her pending lawsuit against Mrs. Clinton, Mrs. Hall said the first lady oversaw the political misuse of the White House Office Database (WHODB). Her lawsuit says she was abused at Mrs. Clinton's behest after voicing objections to using career White House employees and the WHODB system for illegal political activities. The political activities are not detailed in the suit, but Mrs. Hall's complaint quotes from an October 1998 report by the House Government Reform Committee saying senior White House officials used the $1.7 million WHODB system to "advance the campaign fund-raising objectives of the Democratic National Committee." After she voiced her concerns, Mrs. Hall was replaced by Miss Crabtree. In her suit, she said Michelle Peterson of the White House Counsel's Office told her administration strategy about subpoenas was to "stall because we had just a couple of more years to go." Miss Peterson has denied the accusation. The White House called the charges "baseless." But, Mrs. Hall said, the decision to hide the e-mails from the grand jury and the committees was part of a "continuing campaign by the White House to delay and impede" the investigations. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - structure the first premises of which are the capacity of American citizens to make their own economic decisions responsibly, and the intrinsic role of such economic responsibility in the formation of the character necessary to preserve liberty. Men and women not fit to control their wages are not fit to control their government -- this is the logic of the dilemma, and we must act accordingly. If the moral case against the income tax is made forcefully and well, it will carry the day. The economic case against the tax is, of course, also overwhelming. And a further case can be made that technological developments will soon make the entire structure as much a relic as the doomed attempt of the Soviet Union to prevent its people from communicating among themselves. It is likely that the question is not whether to replace the income tax, but how to prepare for its collapse. But these complementary arguments must not distract us from the fundamental one -- a free people that pays slave taxes to its government is willingly training itself for bondage. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Teachers (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2000 21:49:25 PST On Feb 15, InTheRiver wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is cute..... According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their lipstick they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little lip prints. Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. She explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror. Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. There are teachers. . .and then there are Teachers. - Monte [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Fwd: URGENT!!! (fwd) Date: 16 Feb 2000 19:39:26 PST On Feb 16, Charles F. Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:15:31 -0700 >From: CAROL >Reply-To: biblebum@frii.com >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: 0CAROL (SNIP ADDRESSES) > >Reply before Thursday morning!!!! It is urgent you go to this web page >and send your URGENT objection to all your medical records being given >to anyone who desires to look at them, without your consent. These have >to be hand delivered in the morning, so a place on this web will provide >your a place to write a simple objection so the fine gentleman can hand >walk them to the State House in the morning. > >http://www.stopbigbrother.org > >Thanks for joining the fight!! > >Carol [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Petition to disbar Clinton (fwd) Date: 17 Feb 2000 09:14:00 PST On Feb 17, by way of Josephine Lindsay Bass wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Ken Hamblin Talk Show http://www.hamblin.com ================================================== Dear Friend, You might have heard me talking on my radio program recently about the ongoing effort to disbar Bill Clinton in the State of Arkansas. The Southeastern Legal Foundation has undertaken this project to force Bill Clinton to surrender his license to practice law, and now our help is needed. I told Matt Glavin, the President of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, that I would email you and ask you go to the SLF website and sign their online PETITION TO DISBAR BILL CLINTON. Bill Clinton's political friends in the Arkansas power structure have delayed and stonewalled the disbarment process and SLF needs to gather 250,000 PETITIONS TO DISBAR BILL CLINTON in order to show them that all of America is watching their actions. Please take a moment to Click on this link and sign the Southeastern Legal Foundation online PETITION TO DISBAR BILL CLINTON. While you're at the SLF website, you might want to look at some of the other SLF national projects that also benefit conservatives in every part of the country. Many thanks, Ken Hamblin ========================================================== PETITION TO DISBAR BILL CLINTON http://www.southeasternlegal.org/cgi-bin/kh.pl AOL USERS: PETITION TO DISBAR BILL CLINTON ========================================================== If you would like to be removed from this list visit: http://www.webforums.com/forums/g-read/msa20.36.html Your address is on our list as jbass@digital.net ================================================== Powered by Webforums Copyright 1999 Waveshift, Inc. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: Another Waco in Indianapolis? OVER MY DEAD BODY! (fwd) Date: 24 Feb 2000 09:46:07 PST On Feb 24, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Norm Olson wrote: > Please circulate to all stations. > > To Militia Everywhere: > > I plan to fully support Pastor Greg Dixon. His battle > is against the tax locusts of the federal government. > I have know Dr. Dixon for many years and have preached > in his pulpit. > A few years ago, I was invited to speak and > went up to the pulpit dressed in a Presbyterian black > robe with white frock, looking every bit like a minister > in the 1770s. Then removing the robe, I revealed the > militia uniform underneath. This is precisely what > Pastor Peter Gabriel Muhlenburg did in 1774. > > The church is in downtown Indianapolis... It is doubtful > that the feds can keep the press 5 miles from the scene. > > My hope is that uniformed militia from around the country > will be at the rally on March 4th to show the feds that IF they > attempt to take the property in April, that they will have to face > a well armed and well regulated militia. I spoke to Dr. Dixon > this morning (Feb 24). He rightly said that if the feds conquer > this church, it will mean that no unregistered independent > church in America is safe. > > Many years ago I stood with Dr. Everet Siliven in Louisville, > Nebraska, when the Sheriff came to padlock the church and > drug dozens of pastors out of the building by force. His crime: > to dare to have an unregistered church that had a day school. > > But Dr. Siliven didn't have a militia! Dr. Greg Dixon has > my support, and I pray that militia from around the country > will come to Indianapolis on March 4th. > > I don't anticipate any move by the feds to actually move > against the church IF, repeat IF, the militia shows itself > and its determination. > > This is a wonderful opportunity for the militia across America > to meet with scores of pastors who also pastor unregistered > 501(c)3 churches. It can be a wonderful time to show that the > militia IS the arm of God for righteousness. The many > pastors who know Dr. Greg Dixon and the great work of the > church, will see that the militia will NOT allow another Waco. > > In my mind's eye, I see the militia being led by hundreds of > pastors, just like the militia of the 1770s were led by the > "black robes" of the pastors then. The sight of pastors leading > the militia struck fear in the heart of the British soldiers... > Today the presence of the pastors leading the militia should > have the same effect... > > that is, IF the federal gestapo have hearts at all. . . > > The story of Peter Muhlenburg is provided below. I urge > all militia everywhere to read it. > > PETER GABRIEL MUHLENBURG > > There was a class of clergymen in the Revolution who regarded > the struggle so sacred that they felt it to be their duty to fight > sometimes as well as pray. They did not, however, consider it > necessary to abandon their profession to do so. That > duty depended on the emergency of the case. In a > perilous crisis, when one idle arm might turn the scale > against th patriots, they had no hesitation in stepping into > the ranks, and fighting like a common soldier. They saw > nothing incongruous in this course, and hence seldom > condescended to make an apology for it. Nor did it interfere > with their professional duties--for, when the smoke of battle > had cleared away, they were found praying with the > wounded who had been struck by their side, or offering > thanksgivings in front of the battalions for a victory won. > The subject of the following sketch, however, abandoned > entirely his profession, and became a distinquished military > man. > John Peter Gabriel Muhlenburg was born in the village of > Trapp, Mongomery Co., PA, on the first of October 1746. Educated > partly in this country and partly in Europe, he received ordination > from an English bishop, that he might take charge of a church in > Virginia, to which he had been called. Returning to America, he > settled at Woodstock, and entered on the duties of a country pastor. > His ministerial profession, however, did not prevent him from > feeling a deep interest in the quarrel between the Colonies and > the mother country--on the contrary, he took the lead in every > measure of hostility to her oppressive acts. > In 1774, when the people of his country assembled to choose > a committee of safety, he was unamimously elected its chairman. > He was the head and soul of the opposition in that whole > region, and so much did he prossess the confidence of the > people that they sent him to the House of Burgesses of the > state. Ardent, fearless and patriotic he became so absorbed > in the approaching struggle, that, when the news of the battle > of Bunker Hill reached him, he resolved at once to throw off > his profession, and enter the army. Having talked and preached > for freedom, he determined now to STRIKE for it. He immediately > commenced to organize a Virginia regiment, and laying aside > his ministerial character, became its colonel. > He took leave of his people in a farewell sermon, which > glowed throughout with the most devoted patriotism. At the > close he told them of the resolution he had taken to fight, > and if need be, die for his country on the battlefield. It was > a strange announcement from the pulpit, but there were few > to criticize his abandonment of his profession, for he had > breathed his own fervid spirit into his congregation, and the > kindling eye and speaking countenance told him that his courage > had their hearty approval. Said he, in conclusion, "The Bible > tells us 'there is a time for all things,' and there is a time to > preach, and a time to pray, but the time for me to preach has > passed away;" Then, raising his voice, till it rung like the blast > of a trumpet through the church, he exclaimed, "AND THERE IS > A TIME TO FIGHT, AND THAT TIME HAS NOW COME." > Closing the services he stepped into the vestry-room, and > laying aside his gown, put on his colonel's uniform, and stood > before his astonished congregation in full regimentals. This > sudden apparition of the Virginia colonel, in full uniform, walking > down the broad aisle, in the place of their pastor, took everyone > by surprise. Turning neither to the right hand nor to the left, he > strode sternly on to the door, and ordered the drum to beat for > recruits. > The silence that had reigned, while this extraordinary scene > was passing, was suddenly broken by the loud and rapid roll > of the drum. The congregation rose simultaneously to their > feet, and the men gathered in a mass around their former pastor-- > scarcely one capable of bearing arms remained behind. The > calm quiet of the Sabbath day was now changed into a scene of > bustle and excitement. The drum was kept beating, and those > who were not in the church came rushing towards it, to learn > what strange event had happened. The sight of the pastor in > uniform, standing at the door and calling for recruits, kindled > the most unbounded enthusiasm, and before night nearly three > hundred men had joined his standard. > He immediately marched south, and was present with his > regiment at the battle of Charleston. > The next year he ws promoted by Congress to the rank of > brigadier-general, and ordered to take charge of the Continental > troops in Virginia. The next May he joined Washington at > Middebrook, New Jersey. > His brother, Frederick, a clergyman also, condemned Peter's > course for laying aside the ministerial profession for that of > arms. In a letter to Frederick, Peter Muhlenberg said, > "You say, as a clergyman nothing can excuse my conduct. > I am a clergyman, it is true, but I am also a member of society > as well as the poorest layman, and my liberty is as dear to me > as to any man. Shall I then sit still, and enjoy myself at home, > when the best blood of the continent is spilling? Heaven forbid it! . . . > But even if you have been on the opposite side of the question, > you must allow that in this last step I have acted for the best. > You know that from the beginning of these troubles I have been > compelled to have a hand in public affairs. I have been chairman > to the committee of delegates from this country from the first. > DO YOU THINK, IF AMERICA SHOULD BE CONQUERED, I SHOULD > BE SAFE? Far from it! AND WOULD YOU NOT SOONER FIGHT > LIKE A MAN THAN DIE LIKE A DOG? I am called by my country > to its defence. The cause is just and noble. Were I a bishop, > even a Lutheran one, I should obey without hesitation, and so > far am I from thinking that I am wrong, I am convinced it is my > duty so to do, a duty I owe to my God and to my country." > copied from "The Chaplains and Clergy of the Revolution" > by J. T. Headley, written in 1864 > > I too will leave my pulpit to stand with my fellow pastor, Greg Dixon. > I will be wearing my "full regimentals" -- The uniform of the > militia! Hope to see you all in Indianapolis on March 4, > > God Bless You All!! > > Norman Olson, Commander > Northern Michigan Regional Militia > Pastor, Freedom Church, Wolverine, MI [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: [piml] Re: Reaction to "Armed Militia" on Discovery Channel] (fwd) Date: 27 Feb 2000 21:17:11 PST On Feb 26, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Kay Sheil of the Missouri 51st forwarded your message for my comment. I am a former Air Force officer who is active in organizing militias across the United States. Although I have not personally visited the 51st Missouri, I have visited a cross-section of militia units in many parts of the country, and find them to be similar in most respects. The core of most militia units are former military and law enforcement personnel, most of whom became aware of high-level wrongdoing that is not being corrected, in most cases during their government service. Many of these people were the cream of the military and law enforcement: many in the military were special forces; many in the police were internal affairs. I have lost count of those who became disgusted when they were ordered to participate in or cover up smuggling of narcotics by their own colleagues, and no one would accept a report of it. You think the recent revelations about the Los Angeles Police Department are something new? More like standard operating procedure in every major urban police department, and in federal law enforcement. You think all we have to do is vote out the bad guys? I have lost count of all the reliable reports I have received from newsroom insiders that they received election results before the polls close, often a day before. Forget what you hear on the news. Elections in this country are rigged. If you don't want to believe it, conduct your own investigation of it with an open mind. Don't believe anyone who reassures you elections are honest. You think courts are honest? Try following some cases from initial charging through final conviction and appeals, especially in the federal courts. Talk to some honest defense lawyers. You want to be appalled. That will do it for you. There are many people like you who fail to appreciate the need for a militia movement, but it is not because the information which provides the basis for that conviction is not readily available. There is no shortage of witnesses, books, documentary evidence, or comprehensive analysis of the creeping tyranny that threatens our liberties from within and without. Discount every bit of third hand rumor and speculation. The hard evidence would be sufficient to get convictions in a honest court if we could ever get an honest court to hear it, and it is not for lack of trying. I invite you to embark on a voyage of discovery of official wrongdoing. Don't protect yourself in the delusion that "our government would never do that" or that "it can't happen here". Our Constitution and liberties are more threatened today than they have ever been in the history of this country. And "there are none so blind as those who will not see". --Jon =================================================================== Constitution Society, 1731 Howe Av #370, Sacramento, CA 95825 916/568-1022, 916/450-7941VM Date: 02/26/00 Time: 15:33:36 http://www.constitution.org/ mailto:jon.roland@constitution.org =================================================================== [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 5 Minutes to Freedom! (fwd) Date: 27 Feb 2000 21:18:14 PST On Feb 25, JASPAR@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A FIVE-MINUTE HANDBOOK FOR GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS Copyright © 2000 by JASPAR@aol.com All rights reserved. Reproduction or distribution is permitted with this copyright notice attached. I've been a gun rights activist for nearly 10 years. I wasted a lot of time for the first 5 years because no one gave me the rule book you are now reading. Maybe that's because no one had written it. This is the stuff I wish I had known starting on day one. If you've just arrived at this party, the next 5 minutes you spend reading this might save you 5 years of otherwise wasted time and energy. If you've been in the gun rights game for a while, this handbook will be the fastest refresher course you've ever taken. This past year I've received a lot of mail from jittery gun owners who are finally waking up to what's happening to our right to keep and bear arms (RKBA). This handbook is mostly for them. If the rules I list below scare off a few folks, so be it. I want to tell it like it really is -- to give a quick snapshot of the tips, tricks and tactics that actually work in RKBA activism. The bad news is that this is not a complete list of the rules. The good news is that there will never be a complete list of rules. The rules listed below are based on my own experience from working thousands of hours with down and dirty RKBA activist pros. I am deeply grateful to all of them. They know who they are. Some of these rules have been followed for so long by old-time activists that they have forgotten what the original rules were. It's time to list them again. And sneak in a couple of new ones. So read them and weep, or read them and rejoice. ----- NO ONE IS AS INTERESTED AS YOU ARE. Nowadays everyone's attention span and time are limited. Be grateful if you get anyone's attention on our issue, even for a few seconds. Some wannabe activists come in like a lion, then disappear faster than sh*t through a short dog. Take whatever you get from any volunteer. Praise and thank them. Don't be disappointed when they drift away. They will. But some come back. Keep the light on for them. THE NRA STINKS. So does GOA, SAF, JPFO, and any or all of the rest of the gun rights organizations. At the same time, all of these organizations are the best thing since sliced bread. We won't keep our rights without them. It's normal to love them and hate them at the same time. Be sure your complaints about them go to the person who can do something about your problem. Never give up your membership -- it's much easier to fix things from the inside. Avoid griping in public -- our opponents love it when we do. Always handle our dirty laundry behind closed doors. Always. THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET. There is no single answer, rule, or solution. Never has been, and never will be. None of us will write the single brilliant letter to the editor or internet message that will miraculously turn everything around. Keep steadily busy. Do as much as you can, whenever you can. Anything you do counts, but some things count more than others. Find out what counts. Then do it. THERE IS NO FINAL VICTORY. Preserving RKBA is an ongoing PROCESS. We are winning and losing battles during this process, but the war will never be over. Becoming active to keep your gun rights is a lot like cleaning your house: it's thankless and boring work, but necessary. Like dirt, the antigun crowd will just keep coming back. Forever. Your activism will keep us winning more than losing. Our opponents count on wearing us down. They love it when one of us (not you, of course) gets discouraged and drops out. When you fully understand and accept the reality that RKBA is a never-ending struggle, you're automatically in the top 5 percent of all RKBA defenders. Congratulations. RKBA ACTIVISM IS BORING. It's especially boring when you are doing things that really make a difference. Most of us want drama. We want to be entertained. Phone bank calling, precinct walking, going to RKBA grassroots seminars -- suddenly, even a trip to the dentist for a root canal will start to look better. Sorry, but there is no workaround on this aspect. Freedom is not free. It's a pain in the ass. Get used to it, get over it, and get to work. USE THE POWER OF FEAR AND GUILT. Gun owners are susceptible to these emotions. Awaken sleeping RKBA activists by tapping these powerful emotions. Fear and guilt will move mountains -- and fill the collection plate, and recruit new members. If gun owners won't become active for themselves, ask them to do it for their families. For their children. For their country. And -- this tactic works! -- ask them to do it for YOU. WATCH OUT FOR MISDIRECTED, TIME-WASTING EFFORTS. E-mail to elected people is pretty much worthless -- unless the official already personally knows you. Internet polls are useless. Online polls make some folks think they are actually doing something. They are not. It's a false sense of accomplishment. It's like bringing a doctor to a dead man. Focus on the stuff that works. If you're going to hunt ducks, go where the ducks are. POLITICIANS ONLY CARE ABOUT VOTES AND MONEY. In-person visits, phone calls, and snail-mailed, handwritten letters to elected folks help -- because politicians know that if you take this much trouble, you and your family and friends will also vote. HOT TIP: Make yourself known to politicians for issues other than gun rights. Don't present yourself as a single-issue person. Praise and help politicians on THEIR pet projects. Then, when a new gun control law comes up, your opinion will seem especially credible. Otherwise, you will soon be stereotyped and discounted as a single-issue voter. ANOTHER HOT TIP: Politicians have to explain why they vote Yes or No on proposed laws. Sometimes they really need your help in composing explanations to their constituents. If you want your elected official to vote No on a seemingly popular new gun control law, she might be more willing to vote your way if you give her a "back door" -- a good, common sense explanation that she can give to all of her constituents. GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN OFFICE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If we have the right people in power, antigun laws will not be passed. Period. The laws are what matter. This concept is so simple that many folks can't see it, just like they can't "see" the air they breathe. The anti-rights crowd can hold all the gun control seminars and news conferences they want, but nothing will happen unless they can pass more laws. This fact tells you about the how, what, where, when, why, and with whom you should be spending your time, energy, and money. Politicians pass laws. Therefore, you must get involved in politics to protect your gun rights. There is just no way to get around this. Sorry. I don't like politics either. Bummer! STOP THE SABER RATTLING -- NOW! Avoid those shrill folks who sound threatening or talk about doomsday. It's a waste of your time. These noisy folks remind me of a couple in a failing marriage who only talk about a getting a divorce instead of talking about their real problems. If they don't solve their problems, separation or divorce becomes the inevitable outcome. Some people get pumped up on silly fantasy scenarios. I do not. ARM YOURSELF WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION. Paradoxically, bad information or disinformation is a plague in the so-called Information Age. When you write or talk about firearms issues, use only the facts, the truth, and the provable. Verify any quotes that you use. Back up your generalizations with powerful and specific examples. Get on the internet, and get your like-minded friends online. Join several of the hundreds of net communities that will keep you informed instantly and completely about our special issues. Information is power! IGNORE MEDIA SPIN AND THE NEWS WAVES. It's far too easy to go bonkers reacting to the latest media-driven crisis. Don't let the media push your buttons. The RKBA grassroots pros I know do not overreact to crises. In fact, most of the ultra-pros that I know do not react at all to media hysteria. Bashing the media about their bias is not productive. Some gun owners use media bias as an excuse to do nothing -- because the situation seems so overwhelming and hopeless. Truth is, if you are a busy activist -- already steadily doing stuff that matters -- you will find the media reacting to YOU. Be friendly and polite with them -- not hostile. Become a reliable source of information for them. And just keep on being ACTIVE. JUST SHOW UP. It's been said that 80 percent of success is showing up. Being there. Showing up to vote. Showing up at an RKBA seminar. At your assemblyman's office. At a city council meeting. My father's favorite motto: "Your actions speak so loud that I can't hear a word you're saying." Your "silent" activism can be a model for others. What will your 3 hunting buddies think when they find out you spent an afternoon handing out brochures door-to-door for a pro-gun politician? DON'T MESS WITH TRUE BELIEVERS. In the time you spend trying to convert one hard core antigun person to our side, you could have gone out and motivated and organized 20 people who already think like you do. Go with the flow. It's easier on your nerves, and much more effective. Personally, I have converted several anti-rights true believers, but never again! Lots of NRA members are not registered voters. A lot of gun owners aren't NRA members. Even more folks have no idea of their elected officials' positions on gun issues. Where is your time most effectively spent? Think about this before you spend an hour writing a clever response to a silly message you found somewhere on the internet. SIMPLICITY STILL MATTERS. The old rule, Keep It Super Simple (KISS), is as important as it ever was. It applies to internet postings, planning, speeches -- everything. And keep it short. And keep it sweet: don't ever ridicule or insult anyone. Did you notice that I did NOT say, "Keep It Simple, STUPID?" YOU ARE ALL ALONE. Well, not quite alone. You do have some help. The NRA has a staff of several hundred. There is no way humanly possible that "the NRA" can put out all the brush fires started by the anti-rights crowd. Pro-gun national organizations give direction and information -- but they cannot save your rights. Only YOU can save YOUR rights. You are 100 percent responsible. When you fully accept this reality, you are automatically in the top one percent of all RKBA activists. THE HIDDEN BONUS OF GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISM. The more involved you get with firearms freedom, the more you will realize that your single issue actually complements and protects other human rights issues. Personally, I am deeply offended by many aspects of today's culture. When I focus my activism on RKBA, I can often sense I am making a measurable difference. All rights -- like all humans -- are connected. WHEN IN DOUBT, JUST DO SOMETHING. Sometimes we don't know what will work. Sometimes the rule is that there are no rules. I once wrote an essay I thought was mediocre at best. Five years later, I'm still receiving mail about it. Don't hesitate to try something new and innovative -- get it out on the table! Often your finest essay or brilliant letter will not be acknowledged, or you will just get a form letter response. But that letter to the editor that you dashed off in a few minutes appears in tomorrow's newspaper! Go figure. Better yet, try not to figure. Trust yourself, trust your instincts -- and just do something. I'll see you in the trenches. Copyright © 2000 by JASPAR@aol.com All rights reserved. Reproduction or distribution is permitted with this copyright notice attached. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: [piml] Admiral calls for citizen 'information warriors'] (fwd) Date: 28 Feb 2000 14:19:57 PST On Feb 28, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Cc: patriotawareness@egroups.com http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/20000228_xex_admiral_call.shtml Admiral calls for citizen 'information warriors' Look to New Media for truth, says former joint chiefs chairman By Edward G. Oliver © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Thomas Moorer is calling for individuals to use the New Media -- specifically Internet and talk radio -- as weapons of truth during the coming election season to combat what he characterizes as false and inaccurate reporting from the establishment media. Moorer's entire "call to arms" can be read today in an exclusive WorldNetDaily commentary. (Which is at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_excomm/20000228_xex_becoming_bei.shtml ) Moorer's organization, U.S. Defense-American Victory, (Which is at http://www.keep-the-republic.org/ ) is launching project H.I.P. -- Honor in Politics -- in order to enlist individuals nationwide to become citizen reporters who will not allow candidates to slip through the election without clearly explaining what they intend to do about the following three issues: · Chinese Communist penetration of U.S. political structure · Drug lords at the level of a strategic threat in the hemisphere and a failed "drug war" · The present breach of the neutrality treaty in Panama due to Chinese/Narco-terrorist domination of the strategic choke point, and legal issues surrounding their ratification and implementation. "In an age of 'information war,' every citizen is an information warrior" says Moorer. The concept is to "project the military concept of honor into domestic politics. In combat, accurate, complete and non-distorting information is essential to success. Groups cannot function without a constant accurate flow of information," say H.I.P. organizers. Thus, clear answers to the three specified issues will be repeatedly sought from the candidates. A secondary goal of H.I.P. is to obtain full and frank disclosure about any influence or connections to candidates by those who may seek to control them later -- such as the Chinese, or those who might compromise the candidates by linking them to illegal drugs. U.S. Defense-American Victory wants to distribute H.I.P. paraphernalia, hoping the buttons and signs will pop up everywhere on the campaign trail. Those who participate will ask and educate others to ask for honest answers about what a candidate intends to do about the group's three major concerns. To illustrate why Americans should not rely on information from the establishment media in choosing their leaders, Moorer points out from his own experience how a "centralized command and control" decision in the mainstream media, rather than accurate information, had a profound effect on the nation. Moorer writes that a key component of the success of the enemy's propaganda effort during the Vietnam War "was our own highly centralized media, led by the most powerful organ of our intellectual elite, the New York Times." Moorer says in his column that the "willing U.S. press" aided the communist propaganda effort by reporting that the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong accomplished a miracle of logistics with bicycles and tunnels, "when, in harsh reality, they were being assisted in every way by our European allies." "French, Japanese, British and German merchant ships were going into Haiphong Harbor loaded with supplies. I had attempted to get permission to mine Haiphong harbor for quite awhile" Moorer told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. The government eventually did put a stop to the supply ships by mining the harbor, he said. Moorer gave WND an example of restrictions U.S. forces operated under that went largely unreported. Chinese ships would anchor offshore, outside the harbor, he said, sending in supplies on small boats. "The Chinese ships would steam right through our force and the rules of engagement didn't permit us to do anything to them. It was a ridiculous situation," he said. Moorer commanded the Pacific Fleet at the time of the Tonkin Gulf incident, later moving up to chief of naval operations in 1967 and in 1970 became joint chiefs chairman, ultimately retiring in 1974. As chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Moorer reveals in his commentary, he went to see New York Times President and Publisher Arthur Ochs Sulzberger in an effort to persuade him and his news organization "to report accurately on what was happening at the front in the Vietnam war at the time." Moorer writes that Sulzberger refused his request "in no uncertain terms," telling him he did not care to report the truth because he and the New York Times were against the Vietnam war. A spokesman from the New York Times told WorldNetDaily, "At this point, we don't wish to comment" on the admiral's allegation. Moorer told WND the meeting with the Times' editorial board occurred in the early 1970s, that he entered the room with clippings from the newspaper in his hand and made his case. "They all were there in a conference" he said. "They weren't too interested in whether they were accurate or not accurate. They were opposed to the war and were going to write accordingly," he said, adding that the New York Times' boss spoke, and everyone else sat there and listened. In his commentary, Moorer says it turns out that the "other media," who refused to join in the "fashionable inaccuracy" were telling a more truthful story back then. "Even if they were less highly regarded by those who were the most influential in our governance," he writes. Moorer wants people to utilize the "other media" available today, especially the Internet and talk radio, to circulate accurate and complete information about the three national security concerns cited, and to help ensure there aren't any "Lippo Groups" or other surprises in candidates' closets. Gen. Gordan Sumner, also with U.S. Defense-American Victory, told WorldNetDaily their organization is trying to get the candidates to take the moral high ground and get them on the record regarding important issues. He added, "I think the Internet has put a whole new dimension into the political process. People are able to get information, exchange it and are throwing off the shackles of the left-wing media." Edward G. Oliver is a contributing editor to WorldNetDaily. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - February 28, 2000 (fwd) Date: 28 Feb 2000 21:18:03 PST On Feb 28, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 2000 KEVIN McGEHEE Newnan, Georgia mail@mcgeheezone.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ A PRESS CONFERENCE THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN As of this writing, there remain three candidates for the Republican nomination, and two for the Democratic nomination -- although that could change as early as tomorrow. If you're like me, there are a lot of questions you wish someone would ask these candidates. In no particular order, here are some of mine. "Mr. Vice President, what should the American people conclude about a would-be leader of the free world who has to be instructed by a woman on how to act more masculine?" "Gov. Bush, earlier in your campaign you took some heat from conservative Republicans for calling yourself a 'compassionate conservative,' which some took as suggesting that ordinary conservatives are not compassionate. Some thought you used this phrase in hopes of currying favor with the press corps. Given the events of the last two months, do you think there's any point in a conservative, even an avowedly compassionate one, trying to curry favor with the press?" "Sen. Bradley, why are you still here?" "Sen. McCain, if Gov. Bush was wrong to speak at Bob Jones University, does this mean you will be firing the aide for your campaign who GRADUATED from Bob Jones University?" "Mr. Vice President, can you name the Speaker of Parliament of the Czech Republic?" "Sen. McCain, given the outrageous dishonesty that your campaign stooped to in the Michigan primary, do you really think you can still command the moral high ground?" "Gov. Bush, what would you say to someone who still whines about how we need to get money out of politics, after he has beaten you in three states on a comparatively shoestring budget?" "Mr. Vice President, can you identify the American Founding Fathers depicted by these busts we borrowed from Monticello?" "Sen. Bradley, can we call you a cab?" "Ambassador Keyes, can Republican primary voters expect that in a future election cycle you will conduct your campaign as a serious effort to win election, rather than as merely a showcase for your admittedly brilliant oratory?" "Sen. McCain, you've claimed to be a Reagan Republican. You've also declared yourself in favor of 'small but energetic' government. President Reagan always argued that there should be LESS government, and said that it governs best when it governs least. This places you and President Reagan at polar opposites. Please comment." "Mr. Vice President, what does 'is' mean?" "Gov. Bush, since New Hampshire your campaign has become more engaged and directed. What lesson might we draw from this on the merits and liabilities of competition?" "Sen. Bradley, how many fingers am I holding up?" -30- February 28, 2000 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mcgeheezone.com/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. --... ...-- --. . -.- .-.. ----- - -.-- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- -