From: Bill Vance Subject: Re: [firearms-alert] (1) (fwd) Date: 01 Nov 2002 13:16:30 -0800 (PST) -------------------- begin forwarded message from Doug Spittler -------------------- Heads up for Illinois voters. >IL: ISRA-PVF: Mayor Daley Unveils Role Of Lisa Madigan >If there were any doubts as to why Chicago Mayor Daley anointed Lisa >Madigan as the Democratic candidate for Illinois Attorney General, >they were certainly swept aside during a Wednesday press >conference held in Chicago. During that press conference, Daley >announced his intended role for Madigan, should she be elected as >the state's top law-enforcement official. Daley announced that, >among other things, Lisa Madigan will be assigned to "take on" the >organizations that represent the state's 1.5 million law-abiding >hunters and sportsmen. Although Daley did not elaborate on how >Madigan will "take on" sportsmen's organizations, one could >reasonably expect that Madigan would be tasked with executing a >campaign of harassment against the state's sportsmen's clubs. >http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/prime/1031-140.html -------------------- end forwarded message from Doug Spittler -------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Re: [firearms-alert] (2) (fwd) Date: 01 Nov 2002 13:16:58 -0800 (PST) -------------------- begin forwarded message from Doug Spittler -------------------- >OH: Last Minute Rally: John Lott Coming To Independence Saturday >... SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 2nd, 2002 The "MILLION MOM MARCH" MOMMIES >INTEND TO HOLD A RALLY IN INDEPENDENCE AGAINST MR. TRAKAS. WHY? >BECAUSE HE SUPPORTED FIXING AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW. ... We have >been informed that a counter-rally to highlight the issue and make >the facts known is being organized for the very same location and >time. John Lott is apparently flying into Cleveland, Ohio to attend >this counter rally too! If you live anywhere in Northeast Ohio and >can spend some time Saturday morning in a park in Independence Ohio, >please consider attending this rally, and bring as many people as >you possibly can. ... >http://www.ohioccw.org/article.php?sid=823 -------------------- end forwarded message from Doug Spittler -------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Pratt/GOA: What Tomorrow Brings.. (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 2002 11:23:45 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Brad3000 --------------------- FYI - Read and circ... Brad -------- Original Message -------- A Special Message From Larry Pratt Executive Director of Gun Owners of America Don't Forget to Vote Tomorrow! Elections will produce tremendous impact on gun owners' rights Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org Monday, November 4, 2002 Dear Friend of the Second Amendment, Tomorrow's election may well determine the fate of our gun rights next year. Already, gun-hating politicians are using the recent shootings (around the DC Beltway area and in Arizona) to call for draconian restrictions that will affect your freedoms. Never mind that existing gun control laws have failed miserably to keep guns out of criminals' hands. Background checks, gun bans, licensing and registration -- none of these laws have worked to disarm the bad guys. To the contrary, guns in the hands of decent citizens have proven to be a lifesaver time and time again. Almost 7,000 times a day, law-abiding citizens use firearms in self-defense. That's the message that Gun Owners of America is broadcasting from coast to coast. In the month of October alone, representatives from GOA appeared on dozens of TV, radio and newspaper outlets around the country in an effort to diffuse the misguided calls for more gun control. >From MSNBC to CNN's Crossfire -- and from ABC's Nightline to the big print media (such as the Atlanta Journal and Constitution) -- GOA was busy last month fighting for your right to keep and bear arms. GOA Voter Guides Online But GOA is doing more than just educating the masses. We are also committed to helping inform pro-gun voters throughout the country. And toward that end, Gun Owners of America has provided valuable resources to help you on Election Day. Please visit GOA's website for the following election-related links: * GOA Voter's Guide for federal candidates at http://www.gunowners.org/votetb02.htm * Survey results for state candidates at http://www.gunowners.org/statetb.htm I hope you will make use of these materials and share them with your family and friends. Please distribute this letter far and wide. Gun Control Could Be A Hot Topic Next Year The reason that gun owners need to stay educated is simple. Your right to own a gun, free from government infringements, may come under a severe attack next year. Proposals to ban certain private sales of firearms or to ban certain rifles and handguns are always on the gun haters' wish list. And if the past few weeks are any indication, there will be two hot button issues that Senator Chuck Schumer and Sarah Brady will be pushing: 1. Extending the ban on semi-automatic firearms. While the Clinton-Feinstein semi-auto ban is due to sunset in September of 2004, many gun haters would like to keep this ban on more than 180 types of firearms in place, and add more guns to the ban list as well. 2. Registration of gun owners. Of course, gun banners don't say they are for "registration." They prefer to use innocent-sounding jargon like "ballistic fingerprinting." Proponents want to use this (flawed) technology to register the supposedly unique "ballistic fingerprint" that many firearms leave on bullets or cartridge cases after they are fired. This, they claim, will help police trace it back to the original buyer of the gun. This may sound good in theory, but there are a couple of problems. First, this gives officials a registration list of gun owners -- a very dangerous idea since registration lists have been used in many places (including New York City and California) to help police confiscate guns from law-abiding citizens. Second, ballistic registration has failed to help police catch crooks in states like Maryland and New York. Even though these two states have registered almost 50,000 ballistic fingerprints, they have yet to catch one bad guy using the technology! (Part of the problem is that this technology can be easily evaded, for unlike human fingerprints which don't change, ballistic "fingerprints" can be easily altered by making modifications to a firearm.) President George Bush came under extreme pressure during the sniper shootings, as opponents urged him to support a ballistic registration system throughout the country. While the President has been cool towards the idea, the administration has, nevertheless, agreed to "study" the issue. A truly objective study of the issue would conclude that ballistic registration will NOT efficiently help police track down criminals, and will only jeopardize the privacy of gun owners. Even the Fraternal Order of Police and the California Department of Justice have come out against wasting law enforcement funds in pursuing a ballistic database. But again, how all of this turns out will largely depend on what happens tomorrow at the polls. And that's why I think it is so important that voters use the tools that are available to stay informed. Please visit the above links on our website, and then help educate your family and friends as well. Thank you for helping in the defense of liberty. Sincerely, Larry Pratt Executive Director **************************** Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will bounce back as undeliverable. To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. Change of e-mail address may also be made at that location. To unsubscribe send a message to gunowners_list@capwiz.mailmanager.net with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Problems, questions or comments? The main GOA e-mail address goamail@gunowners.org is at your disposal. Please do not add that address to distribution lists sending more than ten messages per week or lists associated with issues other than gun rights. ----------------------- end forwarded message from Brad3000 --------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chad Leigh -- Pengar Enterprises Inc Subject: Canadian guy needs our help Date: 04 Nov 2002 22:10:13 -0700 Hi All The following article, of which I have given the first bit and a link, tells a lot about the stupidity of the US government. Call your Congressman and the President (I sent the pres an email, for all that will do -- president@whitehouse.gov ) on behalf of this guy. This is a joke. " BANGOR, Maine (Reuters) - A Canadian woodcutter arrested during a routine trip across the U.S. border to buy gasoline has become the victim of intensified security in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, his lawyer said on Friday. Michel Jalbert drove from his hometown of Pohenegamook, Quebec to Estcourt Station, Maine to fill up on cheap American gas before a hunting trip. As he was leaving the station, U.S. border patrol agents arrested him for illegally entering the country with a firearm. . . . " The article goes on to say how the gas station seems to be in the no-man's land after entering US soil but before you actually get to the INS and Customs gates and stuff. So Canadians routinely drive there, fill up, and return to Canada without even going through the official entrances. US Officials have long looked the other way on this. Complete article can be found at Chad - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: FBI Agents 'Miffed' that Gun Owner Contacted Media (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 2002 17:22:37 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- Source: CNSNews.com http://www.cnsnews.com/ FBI Agents 'Miffed' that Gun Owner Contacted Media http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200211/CUL20021105a.html By Jeff Johnson CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief November 05, 2002 Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Prior to the capture of "Beltway Sniper" suspects John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo, an unconfirmed number of Maryland gun owners received surprise visits from the FBI as part of the investigation. One such gun owner had a surprise of his own for the agents when they arrived at his home. Jeff Brown of Gaithersburg, Md., was "a little nervous" when he heard the voicemail message from an FBI agent on the sniper task force who wanted to "visit" Brown at his home to check a .223 caliber semi-automatic rifle Brown purchased in 1993. Adding to that apprehension was the fact that Brown owns and drives a full-sized white panel van, the type of vehicle investigators believed the sniper was driving. "I expected, actually, to be pulled over and spread-eagle on the street at some point," Brown told CNSNews.com Monday. "When he called, I knew their database had had a double hit. A white van and a .223 rifle? I knew they were coming." In a subsequent telephone conversation, Metzger reportedly told Brown that agents merely wanted to verify the serial number of the rifle and confirm that it was, in fact, still physically in Brown's possession. The two scheduled an appointment to accomplish those goals. But Brown later learned that the agents had tried at least once to make an unannounced visit, and only called because they were unable to catch him at home. "Once I told some of my friends in the pro-gun community what was happening, they began to relate some stories to me about guys having their guns confiscated, for so-called 'ballistic fingerprinting,' and not getting their guns back," Brown explained. "I became alarmed." Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said the attitude of the federal agents comes as a result of "years of accepting gun control as somehow useful for solving crimes." "The [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms] went to the stores and got the lists of gun owners that had something that could fire a .223. But, it didn't solve the crime," Pratt noted. "The only reason we find that gun registration is 'useful' is for confiscation." FBI Agents 'Were Not Happy' Brown's apprehension prompted him to contact an attorney, who instructed him on preparing for the visit. So, when FBI Special Agent Greg Metzger and his partner arrived at Brown's home for their scheduled meeting, they were greeted by Brown and his wife, Mary, along with reporters and photographers from various media outlets. As Brown described the situation, the agents were "a little bit miffed." "They were not happy," he observed. "They just were not interested in being around any cameras." The agents asked Brown to step outside the home, away from the television crew, to talk. "Can we, uh ... come here," one of the agents said to Brown. Obliging, Brown stepped away from the door to speak with the agents, but still within view of the camera. Brown began recapping the agreement he had made with Special Agent Metzger. But when one of the agents realized Brown was wearing a wireless microphone, he stopped the conversation short. "Do you have a microphone on?" the agent asked as he reached toward the microphone clipped to Brown's shirt. Brown backed away and continued talking, but the agent interrupted him again. "Can you do me a favor?" the agent asked. "Can you take the apparatus off that you have on? I'd like to speak to you privately." Brown complied, but only after summoning his wife to serve as a witness to the conversation with the agents. Out of the camera's view, and believing they could not be heard, the agents challenged Brown about the presence of the media. "They were belligerent, at that point, with me. They weren't threatening me or pushing me around or touching me or anything like that, but their mannerisms and attitude quickly became offended and belligerent," Brown recalled. "I was thinking to myself, 'See, this is what I was afraid would happen if you guys came into my house, especially if I was alone.'" 'Don't You Know People Are Dying?' Parts of the conversation picked up by the camera's long-range microphone confirm Brown's account of what happened next. "Why didn't you give us a chance to do what we said we were going to do instead of ambushing us with the media? Why didn't you trust us?" one agent asked. Brown said it was not so much the words the agents used, as their attitude and body language that made him uncomfortable. "There was some lecturing about it," he said recalling one comment that did unnerve him. "One thing they said was, 'Don't you know people are dying and we're just trying to do our job?'" Brown recalled, "Of course, the inference was that I didn't care that there were people dying and I was trying to interfere with them doing their job." During that conversation, the agents reportedly admitted that they had seized other rifles, allegedly with permission, to compare them to the ballistic evidence gathered from the crime scenes. "They said, from some people, they do 'request' to take the gun with them and do 'ballistic fingerprinting,' as they call it," Brown recalled. "I just did not want to have my gun disappear." Pratt believes the agents "developed an attitude," because Brown challenged their attempts to violate his constitutional rights. "The FBI is trying to put this guy on a guilt trip because he's 'not cooperating' with the system but it's a totally useless system," Pratt argued. "They just assume that gun owners [are] all a bunch of suspects just for being gun owners and they should behave accordingly." 'They Were Doing It On Purpose' At the request of Special Agent Metzger, Brown instructed the media to stay outside his home, where they could see what was happening through a plate glass window. Brown had the unloaded weapon displayed in plain sight for the inspection. The agents followed Brown and his wife inside and confirmed the serial number on the rifle as they had said they wanted to do. But that was not the end of the encounter. "After they checked, they started [questioning Brown again], and that's when my wife stepped in and told them to leave," Brown said, noting that his wife formerly worked in law enforcement. Mary Brown believed the agents were attempting to agitate her husband, hoping he would say or do something to justify their confiscation of his rifle. "I could tell that they were doing it on purpose and I didn't like what they were doing to you," she told her husband. "So, I decided to just jump right in." The agents left the couple's property, as they were ordered to do. Jeff Brown does not believe the agents' reaction to the presence of the media, or their "brow-beating" tactics were justified. "I'm not here to make them feel happy. I have to make sure my rights are not violated. I wanted to help, but this is not Nazi Germany," he explained. "I looked [Metzger] right in the eye and said ... 'I don't care whether you're upset about being ambushed by the media. I felt I needed some witnesses here with me.'" Brown, a member of the National Rifle Association and former candidate for public office in Maryland, was also upset by what he perceived as a lack of honesty on the part of the FBI. "[Metzger] wasn't upfront with me, and I didn't have any guilty feelings about [contacting the media]," Brown said. "They weren't truthful with me. They didn't tell me all the truth. They only told me the part they wanted to hear." A Message to Gun Owners? Debbie Weierman, a spokeswoman for the FBI, said the bureau would not respond to any questions about the encounter, because the probe into the multiple murders was still in progress. "We're not going to be able to get into any kind of a dialogue with you regarding any aspect of our investigation," she said. Pratt believes the response of the agents to the presence of the media shows that their main focus was not on finding the "Beltway Sniper," but rather on sending a message to gun owners. "They know it's not about crime control because, if they were really interested in finding the perpetrator they would have kept moving. Obviously this guy wasn't the guy," Pratt concluded. "What it's really all about is showing that the feds are in control in a very totalitarian sense of the word." E-mail a news tip to Jeff Johnson. mailto:readernewstips@yahoo.com?subject=Reader_news_tip Send a Letter to the Editor about this article. mailto:shogenson@cnsnews.com?subject=Letter_to_the_Editor ----------------------- end forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Hollywood's REAL Anti-Gun Agenda. Read. (fwd) Date: 10 Nov 2002 14:18:50 -0800 (PST) As you can see, theyre just as phoney ballony as ever. Bill ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Brad3000 -----------= ---------- FYI - And you thought that Conspiracy Theorists were from another planet - well, the REAL Conspirators are - it called Hollywood=20 and they mean to show you how to think at your leisure. READ=20 THIS as its rather insideous. Here's one reason why you will=20 never see the "classic" model of when a parent lawfully shoot- ing an intruder intent on doing harm to their family in any TV drama... (via www.gunsafe.org) http://eiconline.org/violence/tipsheet1.html The Entertainment Industries Council, Inc. (EIC) think this information, the first in a series of bi-monthly emails we'll be sending out, might be of use to you when considering=20 potential story lines. Cognizant of the criticism and scrutiny being generated in Washington toward the creative community, we recently convened a Round Table of writers, directors,=20 producers and other industry professionals to brainstorm=20 alternative approaches to traditional "shoot-em-ups" -=20 approaches that are more aligned to what actually happens in the real world.=20 Hopefully, these depiction suggestions will not only be the impetus for fresh story ideas, but will imbue scripts with=20 a realistic sense of gun violence consequences for people on both sides of a pointed weapon. They are designed to enhance the creative process - not limit it.=20 ------------------- DEPICTION IDEAS - Tip 1. http://eiconline.org/violence/tipsheet1.html Attempt to highlight alternative resolutions to conflict=20 rather than relying on gunplay as the only or automatic=20 means of settling confrontations. Clashes can be resolved by other less lethal means, perhaps by characters using=20 their wits and cunning to overcome opponents.=20 Consider highlighting the emotional consequences for the shooter, such as feelings of guilt, remorse, personal angst, and so on.=20 Consider incorporating such real-life scenarios as:=20 The shooter or possessor of a gun being accidently injured by it.=20 A gun accidentally misfiring while being loaded or unloaded by a criminal or other user.=20 A gun misfiring and injuring someone after being accidentally dropped.=20 Consider the story potential that may exist in a family=20 filing suit against a gun manufacturer for injuries or death sustained by a defective firearm that misfired.=20 Try emphasizing the fact that introducing a gun into an=20 argument lethalizes anger: What could have been resolved=20 with just harsh words, or even cuts and bruises, may end=20 up with a death. Guns don't allow for cooling off or recon- ciling once the momentary or situational anger subsides.=20 Consider reflecting the reality that homeowners often=20 freeze up or tremble so badly when trying to use a gun in self-defense that they are unable to deploy it. Or show=20 them as being too frozen in fear to even get the gun.=20 Where appropriate to the story, consider portraying a=20 teenage girl threatening to break up with her boyfriend unless he gets rid of his gun - or a boy doing the same with a gun-owning girlfriend.=20 Explore depiction of legal prosecution or civil action=20 taken against parents for negligently leaving a gun=20 available to a child who then uses it to either intent- ionally or unintentionally harm themselves or others.=20 Attempt to provide a positive role model by showing=20 parents making gun safety inquiries of other households where children visit, asking about storage, accessibility, and so on.=20 SOME RELEVANT INFORMATION In 1998, 30,708 people were killed by guns in the U.S.=20 (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, July, 2000).=20 A total of 3,792 kids 19 years or younger were killed by gunfire in 1998 - enough for more than 246 Columbines=20 (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, July, 2000).=20 In 1996 and '97 more Americans were killed by firearms=20 than were killed in the entire 11 years of the Vietnam=20 war (Firearm Injury Center, University of Pennsylvania=20 Medical Center, 1999).=20 ----------------------- DEPICTION IDEAS - Tip 2. http://eiconline.org/violence/tipsheet2.html Consider depicting the reality that women are far more likely to be shot by husbands or lovers than by an=20 intruder. Odds are that a gun in her home will be used against her rather than in her defense.=20 Consider showing bartenders or bar owners being prosecuted or held civilly liable for gun injuries caused by a drunken patron who is known by them to carry a weapon (akin to the prosecution of bar owners for traffic deaths caused by=20 drunk drivers).=20 When appropriate, incorporate parents having heart-to- heart talks with their children, especially teenagers, about guns not being an acceptable resolution to the=20 problems they face with schoolyard bullies or anything else.=20 Emphasize, where possible, the legal penalties invoked against "straw purchasers" who act as intermediaries=20 between gun dealers and persons who are legally restrict- ed from buying guns themselves.=20 Consider showing someone who is attempting to use a gun in self-defense being overpowered by the attacker who=20 then uses the gun against him or her.=20 Attempt to show safe ways school kids can tip off the=20 police or school authorities that a fellow student has a gun, and show that this action can bring about a=20 positive outcome.=20 Consider showing that even so-called "toy" guns, like pellet or BB guns or prop guns, can cause real injuries and even death.=20 Give thought to starting the story after any gun=20 violence has already occurred, and confine the plot line to the aftermath - detection, prosecution, coping of survivors, and so on.=20 Consider occasionally having "junk" guns misfiring or=20 jamming at critical times, as these guns are prone to=20 do so after a period of use.=20 Consider depicting people as feeling less safe, rather than more safe, when they find their neighbors becoming increasingly armed.=20 =20 SOME RELEVANT INFORMATION A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to shoot a family member or a friend than an intruder (Kellerman et al., Journal of Trauma, 1998, 45.2).=20 Women are 12 times more likey to be shot by a spouse or loved one than by a stranger (Saltzman et al.,=20 Journal of the American Medical Association, 1992: 267; FBI Supplementary Homicide Report, 1997).=20 62% of shooters involved in homicides had alcohol in=20 their blood (American Journal of Forsenic Medicine and Pathology, analysis of 1982-85 data).=20 ---------------------- DEPICTION IDEAS - Tip 3. http://eiconline.org/violence/tipsheet3.html Try incorporating statistics on gun usage into scripts by having appropriate characters, like law enforcement personnel, DA's and teachers cite them. For instance=20 most people don't know that guns are more often used=20 for suicide than homicide. (54% of gun deaths were=20 suicides, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1999)=20 Consider highlighting the fact that teenagers often act impulsively and the presense of guns may increase the likelihood that a transient emotion may turn into a fatal event.=20 Consider having characters criminally charged for simply brandishing a firearm.=20 Try to emphasize that offenders get stiffer sentences if they use a gun in the commission of their crimes.=20 Consider pointing out the inadvertant injuries caused=20 by bullets shot into the air by holiday celebrants.=20 What goes up must come down, sometimes with lethal force.=20 SOME RELEVANT INFORMATION In 1994, nearly 90% of homicide victims 15 to 19 years were killed with a firearm. -National Summary of Injury Mortality Data, CDC, 1987-94=20 In the U.S. ten children less than 20 years old are=20 killed by handguns everyday. -National Center for=20 Health Statistics, 1996=20 ---------------------- DEPICTION IDEAS -Tip 4. http://eiconline.org/violence/tipsheet4.html If appropriate to the story, consider exploring a gun=20 dealer's or a gun supplier's remorse about the harm=20 done by someone to whom he or she furnished a firearm. Consider having a character use a gun in what he/she believes is self-defense only to be charged with murder or manslaughter because it's determined that excessive=20 or unjustified lethal force was deployed. Consider having characters successfully use alternatives to guns for self-defense, such as pepper spray or mace. When appropriate, try to depict parents, teachers, counselors, and even peers giving advice to young=20 people about alternate forms of conflict resolution. Try to provide role modeling behavior by showing=20 friends trying to dissuade a character from arming him/herself after the gun death of a friend or family member.=20 STATISTICS A new handgun is produced in the U.S. every 12 seconds. (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms estimate, 1994) 15% of 6th through 12th graders surveyed said they had carried a handgun at some time during the prior 30 days. (Louis Harris research poll, 1999) In one survey, 45% of people arrested reported the=20 illegal firearm market as a primary source for obtain- ing guns. (National Institute of Justice, Sept., 1995) On average, more than one woman every day of the year is shot and killed by her husband or intimate acquaint- ance during the course of an argument. (Analysis of=20 1996 Washington D.C. homicide data, Violence Policy=20 Center, 1998)=20 -------------------- DEPICTION IDEAS - Tip 5. http://eiconline.org/violence/tipsheet5.html Consider portraying a gun manufacturer making the right decisions in choosing to design a safer firearm. Try making the point that having guns in the house may actually increase the possibility of home invasion=20 robbery since firearms are an attractive target for theft. Consider having characters successfully use alternat- ives to guns for self-defense, such as pepper spray or mace. Consider showing a parent chastising his or her spouse for leaving a gun where their children can find it.=20 STATISTICS About 1.4 million homes with about 2.6 million children kept firearms in a place very accessible to children.=20 =97American Journal of Public Health, April, 2000 A murder of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur in homes with guns than homes without them. =97Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health Center for Gun Policy=20 58% of all unintentional firearm deaths involve young people 10-29 years old. =97Centers for Disease Control=20 and Prevention, 1994 Assaults on family and intimates involving firearms=20 are 12 times more likely to result in death than are=20 assaults using other types of weapons. =97Saltzman, J.=20 et al, Journal of the American Medical Association,=20 1992, 267=20 --------------------- We hope that our facts and ideas give you not only=20 fresh ideas, but also a realistic sense of the conseq- uences of violent acts involving guns. As always, the=20 suggestions are designed to enhance the creative=20 process, not limit it.=20 For more information on gun violence, safety, and injury prevention, please contact Barbara Lurie at 818/955-6845 or blurie@eiconline.org. ----------------------- end forwarded message from Brad3000 -------------= -------- -- --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-= 19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! --- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Pentagon May Track Citizens -- Make your voice heard! (fwd) Date: 15 Nov 2002 18:14:24 -0800 (PST) --------------------- begin forwarded message from vote@vote.com --------------------- Dear Voter, The government has begun creating a system that would track the e-mail, Internet use, travel, phone and bank records of foreigners AND U.S. citizens. The Defense Department says the system is needed to help uncover the shadowy terrorist networks that threaten America, but opponents call it a "supersnoop's dream" that smacks of Big Brother government. Now YOU can tell Congress if the Pentagon should be allowed to move forward with the program. Log on to http://www.vote.com to vote on whether the system should be permitted, and your opinion will be automatically e-mailed to your congressional representative, senators and the president! Let them know what you think about this important issue. Please make your vote count, and forward this message to friends and family so they can make their voices heard too! http://www.vote.com --------------------- end forwarded message from vote@vote.com --------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Info for you. (fwd) Date: 16 Nov 2002 01:43:40 -0800 (PST) -------------------- begin forwarded message from Doug Spittler -------------------- > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:05:43 -0800 > From: "Dr. Michael S. Brown" >Subject: Wal-Mart petition > > > >X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 > >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:37:41 -0600 > >From: "Joseph Olson" > >To: > >Subject: Action needed. Please forward. > > > >Wal-Mart and Ammo Sales..... > > > > Friends, > > > > Michael Moore, the producer of the anti > >firearms film "Bowling for Columbine" is circulating an online petition > >that will be submitted to Wal-Mart Stores to try to convince them to > >permanently suspend all sales, nationwide, of handgun ammunition. > > > > If you find this offensive, as I do, please go > >to the following web address and sign a countering petition that lets > >Wal-Mart know that there are many more people out there who support > >their sales of ammunition to law abiding American citizens. > > > > Go to: > >http://www.petitiononline.com/GT1776/petition.html > > > > Also, PLEASE forward this message to everyone > >you know who supports the Second Amendment. Ask them to also sign and > >forward this message. > > > > Let's let Wal-Mart know where we stand...... > > > >To contact Wal-Mart directly visit: http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Container.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0451828611.1037241315@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccjadcgghddeddcfkfcfkjdgoodglh.0&template=OnlineForm.jsp -------------------- end forwarded message from Doug Spittler -------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Homeschoolers in Illinois get knock on door from police (fwd) Date: 18 Nov 2002 20:42:38 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from spiker -------------= ---------- e Source: WorldNetDaily http://worldnetdaily.com/ Homeschoolers get knock on door from police Despite law, superintendent sends out squad cars to ensure compliance=20 Posted: November 18, 2002 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D29685 November 18, 2002 By Art Moore =A9 2002 WorldNetDaily.com A public school superintendent has sent police in squad cars to the house= s=20 of homeschooling families to deliver his demand that they appear for a=20 "pre-trial hearing" to prove they are in compliance with the law. Bruce Dennison, regional superintendent of schools in Bureau, Stark, and=20 Henry counties in Northeastern Illinois, has contacted more than 22=20 families, insisting that they need his approval to conduct education at h= ome. Dennison is exceeding his authority, according to Chris Klicka of the Hom= e=20 School Legal Defense Association, http://www.hslda.org/ or HSLDA, who=20 argues that homeschooling is legal in Illinois and families do not need=20 school district approval to teach their own children. "He's muscling the homeschoolers pretty heavily," Klicka told=20 WorldNetDaily. "One truant officer told a family that he 'could take away= =20 the kids if he wanted to.'" Also, a district attorney in the area has threatened to prosecute familie= s=20 that do not submit to requests to have their program approved, said Klick= a. But state law is straightforward and simple, Klicka insists. A 1950=20 Illinois Supreme Court decision, People v. Levisen, established that=20 homeschooling falls under the requirements of a private school. Private=20 schools are required only to teach the same branches of instruction as=20 public schools and to do it in the English language. Dennison was not available for comment. The situation is one of many around the nation addressed by HSLDA in whic= h=20 school districts and government officials are seeking to wield greater=20 control over home-based education. The U.S. now has as many as 2 million=20 homeschoolers, according to some estimates. The state of California is warning parents that they cannot educate their= =20 children at home without acquiring a professional teaching credential.=20 http://209.17.95.115/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D28644 Officials maint= ain=20 this stance despite a statute that allows any parent to homeschool under = a=20 private school exemption. Homeschool defenders note that districts are=20 motivated to keep as many children in public school as possible because=20 funds are allotted per student. Klicka said other superintendents in Illinois accept the procedure for=20 homeschooling in the state that his group advises, which is to prepare a=20 "statement of assurance." If a family is contacted, according to Klicka, they say, "We've establish= ed=20 a private school in our home pursuant to the Levison case. We're teaching= =20 the same branches of instruction as public schools." But Christine Fortune told WND that two squad cars showed up at her house= =20 in Geneseo, Ill., in Henry County, in late October to deliver a letter=20 demanding that she appear at a "pre-trial" hearing. One police cruiser pulled into her driveway, another parked on the street= .=20 One policeman then accompanied a truant officer and case worker to her=20 door, while the other police officer waited in his car. "I was very angry," said Fortune, who homeschools her 14-year-old daughte= r=20 Stephanie. "[My children] were really perplexed why the police were comin= g=20 for me. It was way overkill for something that was not even a certified,=20 subpoena kind of letter. It was just something they could have popped in=20 the mail." Fortune, who served as a substitute public school teacher in the country=20 for about 10 years, said she had homeschooled prior to this school year=20 without any interference. Klicka said that if a superintendent had evidence that a family is lying = or=20 is fraudulent, he should refer it to the prosecutor, but "this=20 superintendent is thinking, 'I've got to approve the curriculum, I've got= =20 to check up on the parents.'" Homeschoolers are under no legal obligation to attend "pre-trial hearings= ,"=20 which have no standards or guarantees, Klicka maintains. "They're not really 'pre-trial' because there are no charges filed," he=20 said. "It's just part of the intimidation tactics." When questioned, the district attorney had no idea what standards would b= e=20 used to judge a homeschooler's curriculum, Klicka said. On Oct. 18, just four or five days prior to the police-escorted visit to=20 Fortune's house, the homeschool mother allowed a case worker from the=20 school district to come into her home. HSLDA contends that mandatory home= =20 visits are violations of a family's right to privacy and the right to be=20 free from unreasonable searches and seizures, as guaranteed by the U.S.=20 Constitution's Fourth Amendment. "On the phone, [the case worker] said she wanted to review the curriculum= =20 and see if I needed any help =AD is how she was phrasing it," Fortune sai= d. The case worker was escorted to a room to see the computer-based curricul= um=20 Fortune's daughter uses. "The beauty of that program is it's perfect for any questions she would=20 have," Fortune said. "It has a record of grades and the things that have=20 been done and lesson plans. I could have just produced that for her very=20 easily, but she never asked." Instead, said Fortune, the case worker "was fixated on attendance records= ." That struck Fortune as being rather odd: "I said, 'I don't do that =AD we= =20 don't punch a time clock. I just write down what we do.'" "I kept telling her," said Fortune, "'[My children] live here; they haven= 't=20 been absent once from the home.'" Since the police visit, Fortune has been referring all communication to=20 HSLDA, which is helping another three of the more than 22 families who ar= e=20 in a similar situation. Membership with the Virginia-based group allows=20 homeschool families to take advantage of their legal resources. Klicka said he is advising his member families not to go to the hearings = or=20 allow home visits but to "stand on a simple letter declaring they are=20 legally homeschooling as a private school." Related special offer: The November issue of WND's monthly Whistleblower magazine, titled "THE=20 FLIGHT FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS,"=20 http://www.shopnetdaily.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=3D108 focuses=20 cover-to-cover on the ever-worsening government education system, and=20 explores the homeschooling revolution. ----------------------- end forwarded message from spiker ---------------= -------- -- --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-= 19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! --- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Firearms Refresher Course (fwd) Date: 20 Nov 2002 02:45:44 -0800 (PST) The only bone of contention I have here, is with statement, "w". "Enforce", should be replaced with, "Repeal". Bill ----------------------- begin forwarded message from John P ----------------------- a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone. c. Colt: The original point and click interface. d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. h. If you don't know your rights you don't have any. i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. j. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved. k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others. m. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. n. Guns only have two enemies: rust and liberals. o. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety. p. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive. q. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer. r. Assault is a behavior, not a device. s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer. t. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson. u. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them. v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for. w. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, don't make more. x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves. y. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control. z. "...a government of the people, by the people, for the people..." PLEASE PASS THIS 'REFRESHER' TO 10 FREE CITIZENS God bless the original Republic, Death to the new world order, long live the fighters! down with king shrub! ***************************************************************************** "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone. c. Colt: The original point and click interface. d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control. e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords? f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms. h. If you don't know your rights you don't have any. i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither. j. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved. k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others. m. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday. n. Guns only have two enemies: rust and liberals. o. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety. p. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive. q. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer. r. Assault is a behavior, not a device. s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer. t. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson. u. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them. v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for. w. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, don't make more. x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves. y. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control. z. "...a government of the people, by the people, for the people..." PLEASE PASS THIS 'REFRESHER' TO 10 FREE CITIZENS God bless the original Republic, Death to the new world order, long live the fighters! ***************************************************************************** "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin ----------------------- end forwarded message from John P ----------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Zero-tolerance = zero brain function (fwd) Date: 22 Nov 2002 10:15:05 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Charles Riggs --------------------- NC: 4th-grader suspended for gun shell in pocket Campus sponsors 'Camouflage Day,' kicks out boy due to 'zero tolerance' When 9-year-old Jonathan Cross dressed up in his duck-hunting outfit for his school's Camouflage Day this week, he never dreamed his love for the sport would backfire on him. Covered from head to toe in his gear, the fourth-grader was "a very happy camper," according to his mother, excited to show off his new hunting boots, hat, mesh face mask, shirt, bib, pants and boots. But there was something in his pocket he had forgotten about - a shotgun shell left over from an outing with his father and brothers last weekend. His discovery of the projectile while on campus has left the straight-A student stunned with a five-day suspension, his teachers in tears, and his parents perplexed over the latest case of "zero tolerance" in the government school system. [Isn't it time to EXPELL the idiots running the public school system?] http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29729 ----------------------- end forwarded message from Charles Riggs --------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: New tape may mean Al Gore is alive (fwd) Date: 22 Nov 2002 11:06:44 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- Source: Jewish World Review http://www.jewishworldreview.com/ New tape may mean Al Gore is alive http://www.newsandopinion.com/1102/borowitz.html Nov. 22, 2002 By Andy Borowitz Intelligence analysts studying chilling 'Today Show' appearance A videotape purporting to show former Vice President Al Gore appearing on NBC's "Today Show" with Katie Couric to promote a new book is the strongest evidence to date that Mr. Gore may be alive, intelligence sources said today. While the former Democratic standard bearer had been virtually invisible since the 2000 election, leading many to believe that he had disappeared for good, the "Today Show" tape offered chilling proof that he may in fact be alive and could be threatening to run for President again. U.S. intelligence analysts were said to be closely examining the tape to determine if the person sitting on Ms. Couric's couch is in fact Mr. Gore, but were withholding a final verdict until further analysis could be performed. "The person on the tape could very well be Al Gore," said a source familiar with the videotape. "On the other hand, it could also be a full-sized wooden puppet painted to resemble Al Gore." The source said that the process of authenticating the tape was made more difficult by the fact that it is "almost impossible" to tell the difference between Mr. Gore and a full-sized wooden puppet, the chief difference being that a wooden puppet is "slightly more animated." Intelligence analysts are comparing the "Today Show" tape to tapes of Mr. Gore's 2000 debates to determine if in fact Mr. Gore is alive, as some Democratic strategists fear he may be. "What's tricky about this is that after looking at the tapes of the debates, it's not clear that Al Gore was alive back in 2000, either," the source said. JWR Contributor Andy Borowitz, a former president of the Harvard Lampoon, is a regular humor columnist for Newsweek.com, The New Yorker, The New York Times and TV Guide. Recognized by Esquire magazine as one of the most powerful producers in television, he was the creator and producer of the hit TV series The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and producer of the Oscar-nominated film Pleasantville. He is the author, most recently, of "Trillionaire Next Door: The Greedy Investor's Guide to Day Trading" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0066620767/jewishworldrevieA/002-6640258-3046460 and "Rationalizations to Live By". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0761116362/jewishworldrevieA/002-6640258-3046460 Comments by clicking below. mailto:schmooze@jewishworldreview.com?subject=Andy Borowitz Visit his website by clicking below. http://borowitzreport.com/ ----------------------- end forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "boyd" Subject: RE: New tape may mean Al Gore is alive (fwd) Date: 22 Nov 2002 17:04:00 -0800 Algore put in an appearance today at the Issaquah Washington Costco (warehouse discounter) signing his book. Rumor has it that he and Mrs. PMRC were "chillingly lifelike" but the crowd was reportedly light so that might not be reliable. Boyd Wa 08 NRA ILA Election Volunteer Coordinator -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:07 AM ----------------------- begin forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- Source: Jewish World Review http://www.jewishworldreview.com/ New tape may mean Al Gore is alive http://www.newsandopinion.com/1102/borowitz.html Nov. 22, 2002 By Andy Borowitz Intelligence analysts studying chilling 'Today Show' appearance A videotape purporting to show former Vice President Al Gore appearing on NBC's "Today Show" with Katie Couric to promote a new book is the strongest evidence to date that Mr. Gore may be alive, intelligence sources said today. While the former Democratic standard bearer had been virtually invisible since the 2000 election, leading many to believe that he had disappeared for good, the "Today Show" tape offered chilling proof that he may in fact be alive and could be threatening to run for President again. U.S. intelligence analysts were said to be closely examining the tape to determine if the person sitting on Ms. Couric's couch is in fact Mr. Gore, but were withholding a final verdict until further analysis could be performed. "The person on the tape could very well be Al Gore," said a source familiar with the videotape. "On the other hand, it could also be a full-sized wooden puppet painted to resemble Al Gore." The source said that the process of authenticating the tape was made more difficult by the fact that it is "almost impossible" to tell the difference between Mr. Gore and a full-sized wooden puppet, the chief difference being that a wooden puppet is "slightly more animated." Intelligence analysts are comparing the "Today Show" tape to tapes of Mr. Gore's 2000 debates to determine if in fact Mr. Gore is alive, as some Democratic strategists fear he may be. "What's tricky about this is that after looking at the tapes of the debates, it's not clear that Al Gore was alive back in 2000, either," the source said. JWR Contributor Andy Borowitz, a former president of the Harvard Lampoon, is a regular humor columnist for Newsweek.com, The New Yorker, The New York Times and TV Guide. Recognized by Esquire magazine as one of the most powerful producers in television, he was the creator and producer of the hit TV series The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and producer of the Oscar-nominated film Pleasantville. He is the author, most recently, of "Trillionaire Next Door: The Greedy Investor's Guide to Day Trading" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0066620767/jewishworldrevieA/002-66 40258-3046460 and "Rationalizations to Live By". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0761116362/jewishworldrevieA/002-66 40258-3046460 Comments by clicking below. mailto:schmooze@jewishworldreview.com?subject=Andy Borowitz Visit his website by clicking below. http://borowitzreport.com/ ----------------------- end forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: The bitter hag syndrome (fwd) Date: 25 Nov 2002 13:55:38 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Jim Zoes --------------------- My wife forwarded this message from her DUI attorney list. The thread is about Mothers Against Drunk Driving, but the author of this post likens them to Sarah Brady. While the author gets Jim Brady's name wrong, I think he clearly nails Sarah Brady. When I considered the completely different reaction that Suzanna Gratia Hupp had when her parents (and 21 others) were murdered at a Lubby's in Texas in 1991, it became obvious that the author is right and that Brady's reaction and that of others like her in the victim-disarmament movement, comes from the bitter hag syndrome: "I'm hurting, and I want other's to share the pain, even if they had nothing to do my pain." In other words, Brady has a personality disorder. I think that it's time to stop arguing the "logic" of gun control and start pointing the finger at the messenger and demanding why we should penalized so this bitter hag can feel better about herself. -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 3:58 PM There are far more constructive ways to deal with loss than to try to trample the rights and freedom of others who were not involved in the accident which claimed the particular loved-one. Sarah Brady is the perfect example of a bitter hag. Tom Brady was gunned down for no reason by a worthless nut case that the world would have been better without, but rather than taking comfort in her husband's assailant being brought to justice, she became a w***e for the anti-second amendment types. Just like Sarah Brady, the MADD types don't seek justice or closure, they seek to feel good about themselves while doing harm to others. I sympathize with their loss, but I condemn their method of dealing with it. ----------------------- end forwarded message from Jim Zoes --------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Vote in this poll regarding the US Border Militia (fwd) Date: 25 Nov 2002 13:56:35 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- A Tombstone weekly newspaper publisher recently called for the formation of a citizen militia to combat illegal immigration. What's your opinion? http://www.azstarnet.com/border/21124militia.html ----------------------- end forwarded message from spiker ----------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: TIA: paranoia is excitement (fwd) Date: 29 Nov 2002 02:44:24 -0800 (PST) ----------------------- begin forwarded message from Mary Lou Seymour --------------------- http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/ Animated cartoon by Mark Fiore. ----------------------- end forwarded message from Mary Lou Seymour --------------------- -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** 4-19! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Planck | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! -