From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #66 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 066 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 20:02:36 -0700 From: jaspar Subject: Heston LIVE on AOL 2/7 Promo from AOL .... 02/07 NRA VP Charlton Heston 3:30pm ET (AOL Live) Charlton Heston is the first vice-president of the National Rifle Association of America. Elected to the NRA board in 1997, he is one of only 16 individuals in the NRA's 126-year history to be awarded Honorary Life Membership -- the association's highest honor. Growing up hunting, shooting and fishing in the north woods of Michigan, Heston found in America's outdoors tradition and a respect for individual freedom and personal responsibility that would guide him through life. While studying at Northwestern University, he married fellow acting student Lydia Clarke, and, after serving three years in the Army Air Corps during World War II, they moved to New York's theatre district. Since then Heston has starred in more than 70 motion pictures and nearly as many theatre productions. Among his other achievements, Heston won an Academy Award for Best Actor in "Ben-Hur" as well as similar international citations, was elected six times as president of the Screen Actors Guild, served as the first chairman of the American Film Institute and authored four books. Event Keyword: "AOL Live" Date: February 7 Time: 3:30pm ET (C) 1998 America Online, Inc. Transmitted: 02/05/1998 10:01 PM - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:54:25 -0500 (EST) From: Brad Subject: No matter how paranoid I get, I can't keep up - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: ukcrypto@maillist.ox.ac.uk Subject: It is really me - the story of Soft Tempest Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:09:40 +0000 From: Ross Anderson Bruce Sterling, and others, have asked of the Washington Post story [see below]: > Is this story correct? The Washington Post gives a highly distorted account of some very important scientific work we have done. I suggest that list members read our paper - - for themselves before getting carried away. The story is as follows. Bill G gave our department $20m for a new building, and his people said that what they really wanted from our group was a better way to control software copying. So it would have been rather churlish of us not to at least look at their `problem'. Now the `final solution' being peddled by the smartcard industry (and others) is to make software copying physically impossible, by tying program execution to a unique tamper-resistant hardware token. We wouldn't like to see this happen, and we have already done a lot to undermine confidence in the claims of tamper-proofness made by smartcard salesmen. So Markus and I sat down and tried to figure out what we could do for the Evil Empire. We concluded that=20 (1) large companies generally pay for their software;=20 (2) if you try to coerce private individuals, the political backlash=20 would be too much;=20 so=20 (3) if the Evil Empire is to increase its revenue by cracking down on piracy, the people to go after are medium sized companies. So the design goal we set ourselves was a technology that would enable software vendors to catch the medium-sized offender - the dodgy freight company that runs 70 copies of Office 97 but only paid for one - - while being ineffective against private individuals. We succeeded. In the process we have made some fundamental discoveries about Tempest. Army signals officers, defence contractors and spooks have been visibly flabberghasted to hear our ideas or see our demo. In the old days, Tempest was about expensive hardware - custom equipment to monitor the enemy's emissions and very tricky shielding to stop him doing the same to you. It was all classified and strictly off-limits to the open research community. We have ended that era. You can now use software to cause the eavesdropper in the van outside your house to see a completely different image from the one that you see on your screen. In its simplest form, our technique uses specially designed `Tempest fonts' to make the text on your screen invisible to the spooks. Our paper tells you how to design and code your own. There are many opportunities for camouflage, deception and misconduct. For example, you could write a Tempest virus to snarf your enemy's PGP private key and radiate it without his knowledge by manipulating the dither patterns in his screen saver. You could even pick up the signal on a $100 short wave radio. The implications for people trying to build secure computer systems are non-trivial. Anyway, we offered Bill G the prospect that instead of Word radiating the text you're working on to every spook on the block, it would only radiate a one-way function of its licence serial number. This would let an observer tell whether two machines were simultaneously running the same copy of Word, but nothing more. Surely a win-win situation, for Bill and for privacy. But Microsoft turned down our offer. I won't breach confidences, but the high order bit is that their hearts are set on the kind of technology the smartcard people are promising - one that will definitively prevent all copying, even by private individuals. We don't plan to help them on that, and I expect that if they field anything that works, the net result will be to get Microsoft dismembered by the Department of Justice. Meantime we want our Soft Tempest technology to be incorporated in=20 as many products as possible - and not just security products! So to Rainier Fahs, who asked: > If these rumors are true, I guess we will face a similar discussion on > free availability in the area of TEMPEST equipment. Does privacy > protection also include the free choice of protection mechanism? I say this: our discovery, that Tempest protection can be done in software as well as hardware, puts it beyond the reach of effective export control. So yes, you now have a choice. You didn't before, Ross Anderson - ---------- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-02/07/060l-020798-idx.html British Technology Might Flush Out Software Pirates By John Burgess Washington Post Foreign Service Saturday, February 7, 1998; Page H01=20 CAMBRIDGE, England=97 It's a technique that intelligence agencies have used for years: Park a van filled with monitoring gear near an embassy and listen for the faint radio signals that computers routinely emit when they are on. Analyze those signals for clues to the data that are on the computers. Now researchers at the University of Cambridge, home of groundbreaking work in intelligence over the years, are trying to adapt this technology to the fight against software piracy. With special code written into software, they say, computers could be made to broadcast beacons that would carry several hundred yards and identify the software they were running, complete with serial numbers of each copy. Vans run by anti-piracy groups could pull up outside a company's office and count the number of software signals emanating from it. If, say, 50 beacons for a particular title were detected but the company had licensed only two copies of the software, that could become evidence on which a court would issue a search warrant. Ross Anderson, a University of Cambridge lecturer who is overseeing the project, said the idea originated last year when Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates visited the university after his private foundation announced a $20 million donation to the school. Gates told officials that, among other things, he would love the university to come up with new anti-piracy techniques. So far, Microsoft isn't enthusiastic about the university's approach, Anderson said. "They have some reservations. Obviously there are Big Brother aspects," he said. A Microsoft spokeswoman said the company has no plans to adapt the technology. Emilia Knight, a vice president at BSA Europe, a trade group that combats software piracy, said such an anti-piracy system might be technically feasible. But she noted many practical questions on the legal side, such as how the system would differentiate between companies pirating software and those legally using multiple copies of programs. Knight said that concerns of privacy and consumer rights might make the system a no-go for industrialized countries. But in places like Eastern Europe, she suggested, where piracy is rampant and there is no tradition of such protections, the software signal detectors might be acceptable. Richard Sobel, a political scientist who teaches at Harvard University and researches privacy issues, called it "an appalling idea." "If the technology is there to identify what software people are using, there's the prospect to figure out what people are doing. =2E . . It sounds like a horrible violation of privacy," Sobel said. In Britain, however, it might seem less controversial. Here authorities have long used similar techniques to ferret out people who fail to pay the annual license fee of about $150 that the law requires for each TV set in the country. Cruising the streets here are vans carrying equipment that can detect emissions from a TV set's "local oscillator," the part that turns a station's signal into a picture. If the gear senses a TV set inside a house from which there is no record of a license payment, this is used as evidence to levy fines. The system also can tell what channel people are watching because the oscillator gives off a slightly different signal for each one. Anderson's researchers have built a prototype that can detect the type of software running on a machine from short range -- the hallway outside the room where the computer is running. Anderson said they are ready to build prototype hardware with a longer range, at a cost of about $15,000-$30,000 -- if the lab can find a customer. So far, none has stepped forward. =A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company - ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:05:45 -0500 From: Stewart Baker To: ukcrypto Subject: Ross, Is that really you? =20 Today's Washington Post claims that a Cambridge research team led by o= ne=20 Ross Anderson is developing technology that would require all personal= =20 computers to broadcast the identity of all programs they are running s= o=20 that anti-piracy investigators can sit outside universities and busine= sses=20 and check to see whether the folks inside are running more programs th= an=20 their licenses allow. =20 =20 The article says that even Microsoft thinks this might go too far in= =20 invading the privacy of computer users. But advocates for the technolo= gy=20 claim that it will work fine in benighted Eastern European countries w= here=20 piracy is rampant and the natives are used to having their privacy inv= aded. =20 This raises at least three questions: =20 1. Is this story correct? =20 2. If so, is the Ross Anderson it describes the same Ross Anderson kn= own=20 on this list for his attacks on Big Brother? =20 3. If so, are we to understand that Ross objects not so much to invad= ing=20 privacy as to government competition in that endeavor? =20 Stewart Baker - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:01:29 -0700 From: "E.J. Totty" Subject: Re: [FFNET V2N9] Response to Denny's Firearm Ban (fwd) Bill, - ------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: Your mail headers have some funky crap happening. TO WIT: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 14:42:34 PST Organization: (N.) To be organized. But that's not important right now..... From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) To: roc%xmission.com@lists Subject: [FFNET V2N9] Response to Denny's Firearm Ban (fwd) Sender: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roc@lists The FUNK: roc%xmission.com@lists -and- roc@lists No one else has this in their message headers. It prevents replies to your messages, and causes fatal errors in MAIL DELIVERY. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ [...] 4. So long as Denny's is open to the public and I am a member of the public I will exercise my right to keep and bear arms for lawful purpose while patronizing Denny's as I alone see fit, and I will exercise my right to privacy as as I alone see fit. [...] Being the Libertarian that I am, my belief is that if you don't want to serve some one in your _own_ business establishment, then that is your Right - it is after all your property, and you invite those who enter with the caveat that they must meet certain criteria. Having said that, and in consonance with the current interpretation of the U.S. Civil Right Act, and attendant laws, no establishment of public business may discriminate against a class of citizens, preventing their entry upon said private premises where said private premises are otherewise open to the public by commercial invitation. Merely wearing an accoutrement ancillary to otherwise civil garb, is no reason to cause alarm, most especially if that accoutrement is concealed, and does not pose an immediate threat to life, health, or safety. Lastly, discrimination against another as a result of exercising a Constitutional Right, is second only to discrimination as a result of birth. Before you attack on the grounds you state, lets the dogs of the goverment work for you first. I wonder, what do they say to cops? ET - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:40:21 -0500 (EST) From: Brad Subject: (fwd) Clinton Willing To BLACKMAIL Congressmen To Survive (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Topic: White Water Stephanopolos: Clinton Willing to use blackmail on Congress! ABC - This Week "Without" David Brinkly February 8, 1998 Rodger Schultz Appearing on the Brinkley show, without Brinkley, George Stephanopolos made the following charge: Stephy: It's even worse than that. They're already discussing the "Ellen Romesch (SP) defense. Ellen Romesch was an East German spy who was having an affair with Jack Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy was given the job of getting her out of the country. J Edgar Hoover went to congressional leaders and said, "don't you dare investigate this matter in public or I'll hang all your dirty laundry out to dry." Donaldson: Are you suggesting that Clinton is threatening to expose secrets of ...." Stephy: Yes. I need not remind you about 900+ FBI files, do I? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 98 16:43:59 PST From: Jack@minerva.com Subject: Re: Clinton Willing To BLACKMAIL Congressmen To Survive (fwd) roc@lists.xmission.com wrote : > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Topic: White Water > >Stephanopolos: Clinton Willing to use blackmail on Congress! > >ABC - This Week "Without" David Brinkly The tense is wrong. I thought he had been doing that all along .....else why does Newt jump to do his every bidding Jack > > > >February 8, 1998 Rodger Schultz > >Appearing on the Brinkley show, without Brinkley, George Stephanopolos >made the following charge: > > Stephy: > It's even worse than that. They're already discussing the "Ellen >Romesch (SP) defense. Ellen Romesch was > an East German spy who was having an affair with Jack Kennedy. Bobby >Kennedy was given the job of getting her out > of the country. J Edgar Hoover went to congressional leaders and >said, "don't you dare investigate this matter in public > or I'll hang all your dirty laundry out to dry." > > Donaldson: Are you suggesting that Clinton is threatening to expose >secrets of ...." > > Stephy: Yes. > >I need not remind you about 900+ FBI files, do I? > > > > >- > > > Jack Perrine | ATHENA Programming, Inc | 626-798-6574 | ---------------- | 1175 No. Altadena Drive | fax 398-8620 | jack@minerva.com | Pasadena, CA 91107 US | - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 16:30:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: [FFNET V2N9] Response to Denny's Firearm Ban (fwd) On Feb 8, E.J. Totty wrote: > Bill, >------------------------------------------------------------------ > NOTE: > Your mail headers have some funky crap happening. > TO WIT: >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 14:42:34 PST >Organization: (N.) To be organized. But that's not important right now..... >From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) >To: roc%xmission.com@lists >Subject: [FFNET V2N9] Response to Denny's Firearm Ban (fwd) >Sender: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: roc@lists > > The FUNK: > roc%xmission.com@lists > -and- > roc@lists > > No one else has this in their message headers. > It prevents replies to your messages, and causes >fatal errors in MAIL DELIVERY. >------------------------------------------------------------------ The "lists" problem comes from the ROC lists, "Reply-To:" header. The, "%", char I have to add by hand to the addr, as xmission.com apparently has no map entry for uucp mail, thus I have to tell my uucp feed site to use an alternate mailer to reach it, which the, "@", char won't do. That means that I have to send the mail from elm, call it up into my editor and modify the address, and then call one of the control files into the editor to change the bang path as well, in order to post to roc at all. Befor ROC added, "lists" to it's, "Reply-To:", addr, all I had to do was modify the bang path. Sometimes I mess it up, but not allways. When I do, it bounces from my feed site, which means you shouldn't be seeing it at all unless the list is playing with it again. The, "roc@lists", addr is likely what it's sending to you, but what it's sending to me is, "Reply-To: roc@lists.xmisson.com". Roc@xmission.com I can work with, but roc@lists.xmission.com seems to bounce from further out. Maybe it's time to rattle someones cage @xmission.....:-) - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 18:54:09 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Sara Lee Boycott response (fwd) >From the FAP list, there's some good ideas here. Anyone know someone willing to work on such an, "award email list"? I think if it helps remove the Brady types from Candidacies, then it's worth it, even if the winners might not be particularly Pro-Gun. On Feb 8, Bill Vance wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] On Feb 08, Frank Finch wrote: >Nramancpe@aol.com wrote: >> >> I received the exact same letter, word-for-word, in response to my 11/26/97 >> letter to Sara Lee. It was dated 12/5/97. The signature is original - by >> Jeffrey Smith, Sr. Mgr., Media Relations for Sara Lee. >> >> It's an excellent idea that we nominate women who've advanced Second >> Amendment/Self Defense agendas. Elizabeth Swasey of NRA's CrimeStrike would >> seem to be a good choice. Any comments? > > >Elizabeth Swasey is an excellent candidate, as would be Tanya Metaska, >Marion Hammer, Paxton Quigley, or thousands of other Gals who are doing >a great job for the RKBA effort. Better yet, see to it that really deserving gals get it every year, though it might be a bit much to expect a Pro-Gun Gal every year. There are others out there, too, that could use a hand. Seems to me there are numerous awards that could use better Candidates than left over Closet Communists. Bill Clinton certainly doesn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, etc. A _BOOBY_ _Prize_ maybe, but the point is, these cretins are nominating each other for everything from spelling prizes to Honorary Dog Catcher of the Year. Now I'm not suggesting we change the List Charter for this, but I'm sure we all know other lists/groups/people who'd be willing to contribute a little time and effort to this sort of task; I.e., chasing down award giving orgs, and supplying _real_Candidates_ who really deserve to win something. It's the sort of thing we can all support on the side without a lot of major effort lost from RKBA concerns, though it should be _our_ particular orientation. I suggest an, "award email list", for this, and I don't mean just for the gals, but for everyone. Any other ideas? >My original idea was meant to promote nominations for as many Women as >possible. Thus "flooding" the "Sara Lee Frontrunner Foundation" with so >many "pro-gun" Women, that they would either be forced to select one, or >be red-faced as they explained just how they overlooked thousand of >Women to award their prize to a "Brady type". The $50,000.00 doantion >could go a long way for our effort also. Think of the expression on that >old prune Brady's face, when one of the many outstanding, and deserving >Women received an award this year off-setting, no...bettering Brady's >award ! > >Then, Mr. Jeffrey Smith's words about "few may not agree with the >causes...blah, blah, blah...." would serve as "humble pie" for his >highness, the "spin doctor", Mr. Smith. > > >Frank Finch > >-- >"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and >preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid >mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of >them." -- Thomas Paine [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:06:01 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: Stephanopolous--The Last Line Of Defense (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:50:39 -0500 From: Gary Golding To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: CAS: Stephanopolous--The Last Line Of Defense Well, we need wonder no more about why the Republicans are quaking in their boots at the thought of impeachment. According to George Stephanopolous on Sam and Cokie, Clinton will not go quietly. He will be prepared to use his last line of defense--career ending attacks on Republicans publicizing the many skeletons in their closets. Sam Donaldson laughed and said: "Let the games begin!" George Will said: "This sounds like Mutually Assured Destruction". If the press keeps it up the Clinton scandals may explode into a bipartisan bloodletting despite the wishes of the leadership of both major parties. This is an opportunity for insurgents within both parties who have moral courage to take their rightful place in leadership. Many of us on this list have long felt this sunshine would be a positive, not a negative outcome. If this housecleaning of both parties is the Clinton legacy it will have been a wonderful outcome to this sorry chapter of American history. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:55:25 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: Media is missing boat on Clinton (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:07:44 -0600 From: Ann Khan To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: CAS: Media is missing boat on Clinton Triangle Business Journal February 9, 1998=20 From The Right=20 Media is missing boat on Clinton ...=20 Starr delved into Clinton's private life because Hubbell reneged on deal=20 John Hood=20 Jesse Helms, Lauch Faircloth, Kenneth Starr, The Washington Post and The New York Times are all part of the "vast, right-wing conspiracy" that is out to destroy the president with false allegations of sex, lies, and audiotape.=20 That's the Clinton Administration's defense, as articulated by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, in the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal now dominating the headlines. In North Carolina, the Hunt Administration has suggested a variant of this explanation by blaming overzealous reporters for the state Department of Transportation scandal. It's the old "blame the messenger" defense. Sadly, it sometimes works.=20 The Clinton Administration argues that the news media is so fixated on boosting their ratings and being first with salacious gossip that they aren't exercising journalistic judgment. Independent consul Starr, for his part, is supposedly out of control and delving into matters far beyond his initial scope of Whitewater land deals in Arkansas.=20 The news media deserve some criticism, but not for their copious coverage of a scandal that could potentially bring down the president. The real problem with the media coverage is that it has failed to explain why Starr's office got into the Lewinsky mess in the first place.=20 Let's review the original Whitewater allegations. The Clintons had business partners, Jim and Susan McDougall, with substantial interests in real estate and banks. To the extent that they engaged in shady deals or bent laws, the question becomes how much the Clintons knew. Most important is the allegation that Clinton went to a friend, David Hale, and requested a fraudulent $300,000 loan for Susan McDougall.=20 Hale says he did. Clinton says he didn't. McDougall is in jail because she refuses to say Clinton did or he didn't. Remember, Starr has already convicted the McDougalls and former Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker on separate Whitewater-related charges.=20 One person that likely has a lot of information about the Whitewater allegations is Webb Hubbell, former No. 2 man in the Clinton Justice Department and former Hillary Clinton law partner. Three years ago, he was indicted by Starr's office for mail fraud and tax evasion. During his days in Little Rock, he bilked his clients and partners out of a half-million dollars.=20 Because of Hubbell's intimate friendship and business association with the Clintons, Starr decided to try to make a deal with him. In the interim, Hubbell received a lucrative "public relations" contract that helped alleviate his personal and financial woes. The contract was with Revlon Corp., and was arranged by presidential friend and advisor Vernon Jordan.=20 Starr and Hubbell did make a deal. Hubbell would plead guilty, serve two years in prison, and be a "cooperative witness" in the Whitewater cases.=20 But Hubbell reneged. He never gave Starr any useful information. Starr and his investigators believed that Hubbell did so because of hush money -- the Revlon contract set up by Jordan, presumably at the president's behest.=20 Enter Linda Tripp. She brings credible evidence to Starr of another case in which Jordan appears to be arranging a Revlon job for a witness, Lewinsky, with damning evidence against the president. No doubt Starr went ballistic.=20 But he likely also recognized an opportunity -- if he could prove Jordan's involvement in an attempt to silence Lewinsky, it might lead to evidence uncovering witness tampering in the Whitewater case.=20 Television, in particular, has virtually ignored this aspect of the story, even as it has obsessed about every grainy picture of Lewinsky and the precise meaning of every word that Clinton and his spokesmen utter.=20 As with the Watergate scandal, the Whitewater scandal is less about the original wrongdoing than possible recent attempts, in Washington and by federal officials, to cover it up. As for the idea that Faircloth is conspiring with Sam Donaldson, it's hard not to snicker. Obstruction of justice, however, is no laughing matter.=20 Hood is president of the John Locke Foundation, a think tank based in Raleigh.=20 =A9 1998, Triangle Business Journal =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Curtis Subject: Reagan The following is from the Washington Times. I catagorize it under: "I don't know whether to laugh, cry or scream". jcurtis - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Another Right-Winger A book purchased at a Smithsonian gift shop -- "The Presidents of the United States of America" by Nicholas Best (Bulfinch Press) -- contains one-page summaries of the lives of each of the presidents. Here's the summary of Ronald Reagan's life: "After a career as a sports reporter and Hollywood star, Reagan became, at 69, the oldest man ever to be elected president. He suffered from Alzheimer's disease during his second term and aides had to hold up prompt cards at meetings to remind him what to say." "He was born in Illinois in 1911, but later became governor of California. Although very right-wing, he was an easy-going man who took a relaxed attitude to life and liked to watch Westerns in the afternoon." "Liberals derided his 'Star Wars' program, a massive build-up of arms against the Soviet Union. Yet, the cost was so great that the Communist system couldn't match it and collapsed." "Reagan was a great communicator, skilled at TV presentation. Mistakes by his administration were never attributed to him personally. He retired, much liked, in 1989." - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 22:54:13 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 800 number for Congress (fwd) On Feb 9, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >----Forwarded Message(s)---- > > #: 23319 S0/CompuServe Mail [MAIL] > 09-Feb-98 12:48 EST > Sb: 800 number for Congress > Fm: Howard Last > INTERNET:howardla@erols.com > To: Paul Gallant/NY [70274,1222] > >Subject: 800 number for Congress >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >to reach Senators or Congressmen 1-800-522-6721 > >Call Senators > > >Tell them you are OPPOSED to Satcher for Surgeon General. > >Head of Center for Disease Control. Guns are a virus which must be >eradicated. > >Enough said. > >Howard Last ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with GOA and other alerts under the heading ALERTS. For those without browser capabilities, send [request index.txt] to davisda@rmi.net and an index of the files at this site will be e-mailed to you. Then send [request ] and the requested file will be sent as a message. 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Various shareware programs are archived at: ftp://shell.rmi.net/pub2/davisda To receive the contents of the FTP site, send [request index.ftp] to davisda@rmi.net FTP capabilities needed to retrieve programs. ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:26:54 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: CAS: WP: Findings Link Clinton Allies To Chinese Intelligence (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:41:37 -0800 From: Ray Heizer To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com Subject: CAS: WP: Findings Link Clinton Allies To Chinese Intelligence Findings Link Clinton Allies To Chinese Intelligence By Bob Woodward Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, February 10, 1998; Page A01 Mochtar Riady and his son James, who control the Indonesian-based Lippo Group conglomerate and have been friends and financial supporters of President Clinton since his days as Arkansas governor, "have had a long-term relationship with a Chinese intelligence agency," according to an unclassified final draft of a report by the Senate committee that last year investigated campaign finance abuses. The report was drawn from highly classified intelligence information supplied by both the CIA and the FBI that was not revealed during several months of public committee hearings last year, executive branch sources said yesterday. The unclassified document contains few specifics on the nature of the relationship between the Riadys and Chinese intelligence. No one, including the committee, has alleged that Clinton or any of his senior White House or campaign aides were aware of any improper connection the Riadys or others may have had with the Chinese government. Officials said that much of the specific intelligence information on which the report's conclusions are based was withheld from the document to protect sources and methods used to gather it. The report itself says that information on the Riadys was "recently acquired." It describes their relationship with Chinese intelligence as appearing to be "based on business interests," with the Riadys obtaining Chinese assistance for international business opportunities "in exchange for large sums of money and other help." As of two weeks ago, the 13-page report on the Chinese connection -- part of a much larger document compiled by the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee on the conclusions drawn from last year's hearings -- was the subject of bitter dispute between the committee and the CIA and the FBI, which feared it would compromise intelligence-gathering. Both agencies now have agreed to the final draft formulation, although the Justice Department has raised unspecified last-minute objections to its release. The report describes what it calls "strong circumstantial evidence" that six individuals with strong ties to the Chinese, including the Riadys, may have funneled foreign money into political campaigns during the 1996 U.S. election cycle. It singles out one of the six, California immigration consultant and longtime Democratic fund-raiser Maria Hsia, as "an agent of the Chinese government," although it cites no specific actions taken in support of this role. Hsia's lawyer, Nancy Luque, angrily denied last night that Hsia was a Chinese agent or that she participated in any campaign fund-raising illegalities. "The allegations are false, and have been proven false. They are not under investigation by anyone, anywhere." Concern about Chinese activities began in 1996, when the CIA determined that China, which worried that it lacked sufficient influence in U.S. politics and policymaking, planned to raise $3 million for an effort to buy influence with U.S. politicians, according to officials familiar with sensitive intelligence. These sources have said that most of the money was to be allocated to the Chinese embassy in Washington and to various Chinese consulates across the United States. The Washington Post first reported the investigation into the Chinese plan last February. When the Senate committee began its hearings on the overall issue of alleged campaign fund-raising abuses last July, Chairman Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.) said the panel "believes that high-level Chinese government officials crafted a plan to increase influence over the U.S. political process." But by the time the hearings ended on Oct. 31, little evidence of such a plan had been publicly produced. The report's conclusion that the Riadys and others have had ties to Chinese intelligence is likely to focus new attention on the now 15-month-old Justice Department investigation into a wide range of allegations involving the abuse of campaign finance laws by both Democrats and Republicans. Although the overall Thompson committee report is noticeably partisan in nature and emphasizes the views of the committee's Republican majority -- committee Democrats wrote their own competing draft chapters -- the document concerning the Chinese connection appears understated and studiously nonpartisan. The Riady relationship with Clinton stems from the early 1980s, when family patriarch Mochtar Riady's Lippo Group bought a minority interest in the Arkansas-based Worthen Bank. Riady dispatched his son James to learn the banking business in Little Rock. Soon after arriving, young Riady was introduced to then-Gov. Clinton at a Worthen luncheon. In a 1984 interview with an Arkansas magazine, Mochtar Riady outlined his business philosophy: "Every network has to have its foundation laid on special, personal, human connections. What I am looking at is what my partners can offer in personal contacts and business connections." The connection formed with Clinton continued after he began his run for the presidency in 1991, and was visible during the 1996 campaign. Since 1991, the Riadys and others connected to Lippo have contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Democratic National Committee. The party has returned nearly half a million dollars contributed by an Indonesian couple with ties to Lippo. James Riady attended a key Oval Office meeting on Sept. 13, 1995, when Clinton approved the transfer of former Lippo executive John Huang, who had been working in a sub-cabinet Commerce Department position, to a DNC fund-raising post. In another Oval Office meeting with Clinton in September, 1996, Riady lobbied for favorable trade relations with China. Although it gives few details about Hsia, the report says, "The Committee has learned that Hsia has been an agent of the Chinese government, that she acted knowingly in support of it, and that she has attempted to conceal her relationship with the Chinese government. The committee has also learned that Hsia has worked in direct support of a PRC [People's Republic of China] diplomatic post in the U.S." The report does not attempt to tie any specific Hsia fund-raising activities to the Chinese. A lengthy portion of the overall committee document, which runs some 1,500 pages, details her connection with the Hsi Lai Buddhist temple in Los Angeles. Using temple monastic personnel as straw donors, the larger report alleges, Hsia "illegally laundered" more than $130,000 in political contributions to Democrats beginning in 1993, including thousands of dollars from a temple event attended by Vice President Gore in the early spring of 1996. The overall report notes that "any link between Hsia and PRC intelligence would raise new questions about Hsia's involvement in funneling money from the Hsi Lai Temple to a number of both local and national political candidates in the United States from at least as early as 1993 through the presidential election of 1996. Were such alleged intelligence reports to be true, Hsia's long relationship to the Vice President of the United States would raise grave new questions about the extent to which Chinese intelligence operatives have been able to influence U.S. politics during the Clinton administration." Three other individuals are named in the report, although few details are provided in support of its conclusions about them. The report says that Ted Sioeng, a former California businessman who controls an empire worth about $500 million, "worked, and perhaps still works, on behalf of the Chinese government." The report says that $200,000 of the $400,000 given to the Democrats by Sioeng and his family was "funded by transfer from overseas accounts." The committee, which has no authority to compel production of foreign bank records, said it traced the money to "Hong Kong but no further." Sioeng's attorneys have flatly denied the allegations. The report touches very lightly on John Huang, who has been a focus of public attention in the campaign finance controversy since the beginning. It says the committee has "unverified information" that Huang, the former Lippo executive and Democratic fund-raiser, may have a direct financial relationship with the Chinese government. Last year, the DNC returned more than half of some $3 million Huang collected for the party, saying its origins could not be established. Huang has denied any wrongdoing through his attorney. The sixth person identified in the report is Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, a Little Rock friend of Clinton, who on Jan. 28 became the first person indicted as part of the Justice Department investigation. Last week, he pleaded not guilty to charges of obstruction of justice and campaign finance violations. Trie is a former Little Rock restaurateur who set up an international trading business after Clinton was elected president. The report says that some of Trie's money -- although not necessarily the $1.2 million in contributions to the DNC and Clinton's legal defense funds with which he was involved -- were traced from Taiwan and Cambodia, but no further. Sources said that a significant portion of the information on which the conclusions in the report are based comes from electronic intercepts of international phone calls or other communications obtained by the National Security Agency or from FBI counterintelligence wiretaps in this country. These were the parts of the report that were deleted or watered down from the initial draft, which was classified Top Secret/codeword. For example, the report says "PRC officials discussed financing American elections through covert means" but gives no specifics about who, when or what was discussed. Some of this information was available in classified form, but officials said it would not prove a direct link between these individuals and specific contributions. In another reference to what sources said is sensitive intelligence, the report says, "The committee has received information that Hsia worked with Ted Sioeng and John Huang to solicit contributions from Chinese nationals in the U.S. and abroad for Democratic causes." It is illegal for foreign nationals to give to U.S. political campaigns. Until Trie returned to this country and appeared in court last week, all six of those cited in the report had either stayed abroad or declined to testify before the committee. In addition, the report noted that China "has denied the committee's request for assistance." In brief form, the report summarizes previously reported information about how the Chinese in 1995 developed a plan to influence U.S. politicians. By 1996, it included efforts to make political contributions in congressional elections. In June 1996, the FBI warned six senators and congressmen that they might be targeted for Chinese contributions. The FBI informed two members of the National Security Council staff, but the information was not passed to Clinton, who later expressed public irritation at the lapse. The Thompson report describes the Chinese plan as "a broad array of Chinese efforts designed to influence U.S. policies and elections through, among other means, financing election campaigns." The report says that the information that the Chinese wanted to influence the 1996 presidential contest is "fragmentary" but cites no example. In a summary, the report says: "Illegal foreign contributions were made to the DNC and . . . these contributions were facilitated by individuals with extensive ties to the PRC." The report mildly criticizes the Justice Department for "a failure to share relevant classified information," as well as for delays and a lack of coordination between the FBI divisions and the Justice Department. The report says that the deletions by the U.S. intelligence agencies were justified to protect sources. "That protection is a legitimate concern," the report says, "but it has come at the cost of curtailing public knowledge and debate." Researcher Jeff Glasser contributed to this article. =A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. 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