From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #202 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Thursday, December 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 202 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Nov 98 05:08:27 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: rkba-list: Tuesday Next Impeachment Call-In Day On Nov 23, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] If you have time this Tuesday, or whenever, please keep calling for Impeachment: Mark Souder (R-Ind) 202-225-4436 Billy Tauzin (R-Ind) 202-225-4031 Bob Livingston (R-LA) 202-225-3015 Christopher Shay (R-CT) 202- 225-5541 John Edward Porter (R-Ill) 202 225-4835 Peter King (R-NY) 202 225-7896 James Traficant (D-OH) 202 225-5261 I will make these calls. I urge all your readers to refer to the reasons in the Judicial Watch Interim Report. Those who haven't read it should get it at www.judicialwatch.org. Bob Becker 13300 Outlook Dr. #515 Overland Park, KS 66209 913 685-4924 bbecker@sound.net, b_becker@dsionline.com Also, if you have time, as many congressmen as possible, should be called to demand a copy of the memo from Charles Labella, Asst Attorney General, to Janet Reno which laid out in a straight forward way the fact that the trail of Chinese Communist money paid to Hubbell leads directly to the office of the President. Reno has refused to give this memo to Congress. Remember, American citizens have the Constitutional rights of equal justice and of impeachment. The Congress has a Constitutional duty to carry out a justified impeachment Impeachment protects citizens from someone who is unfit for office. A Congressional vote against a justified impeachment is a vote to destroy our system of equal justice. Congressmen have a Constitutional duty to protect our system of equal justice, not destroy it. The rules of the House still allow citizens to file ethics complaints to House Ethics Committee. This Committee is still be chaired by a Republican. Ethics complaints could be filed by citizens against Congressman Conyers' conduct with Coulter and any congressman supporting an unconstitutional action such as censure. =================================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. To join or leave this list send mail to majordomo@uwsa.com TO: majordomo@uwsa.com Subject: - ---------------------------------------- (un)subscribe uwsa Visit our world wide web site at http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSAintro.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 03:09:42 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In 1690, John Locke foretold of Clinton... he called it "Tyranny" (fwd) On Nov 30, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In 1690, John Locke laid the philosophical foundation, along with the likes of Adam Smith, upon which the Framers would build our Constitution. How powerfully these men wrote! They recognized that human nature does not change with the ages and that Natural Law* is what governed Man in a free state, regardless of time or nation or People. > John Locke: An Essay concerning the true original, extent and end of civil Government (1690) >XVIII - Of Tyranny >"199. As usurpation is the exercise of power which another hath a right to, so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which nobody can have a right to; and this is making use of the power any one has in his hands, not for the good of those who ar satisfaction of his own ambition, revenge, covetousness, or any other irregular passion." http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1651-1700/locke/ECCG/governxx.htm Please call, write or fax your representative and urge them to vote for impeachment! In Liberty, Rick V. * >"Non erit alia lex Romae, alia Athenis, alia nunc, alia posthac; sed et omnes gentes et omni tempore, una lex, et sempiterna et immortalis, continebit." >* [There will be not different laws at Rome and at Athens, or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal and unchangeable law will be valid for all nations and all times.] 3 M. CICERO, 210 DE RE PUBLICA (C. Keyes trans., 1928). - -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 07:13:55 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: It takes a village.... not! (fwd) On Nov 30, Y2J wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] "It Takes A Village" by Glenn Conjurske It take a village (so we're told), to raise a child today It take a village (we reply), to steal his heart away To purge old-fashioned do's and don't's, from his enlightened mind To leave old fashioned Ma and Pa, a hundred years behind It takes a village, verily, to teach some mother's son To steal and gamble, smoke and swear, and vandalize for fun. His mother didn't teach him that! His father? No, not he. It takes a village to corrupt, a village, verily It takes a village, this we know, to teach the maidens sweet, To dress and act, to look and talk, like women of the street. It takes a village, not a doubt, to teach a maiden mild, To save the monkeys, owls, and whales, and kill her unborn child. It takes a village public school, some subtle classroom chats, To teach the little boys and girls to act like alley cats. To teach them of the birds and bees, without morality, To teach them what to do, and how, and tell them they are free. It takes a village, yes indeed, to brainwash all the youth, With notions and with fallacies, In place of sense and truth. Abortion rights! The right to die! The rights of animals! Creative spelling! Unisex! The rights of criminals! It takes a village, well we know, to turn their minds away, To stand for fancied "children rights", and parents rights deny. To honor human nature less, And trees and rivers more. To sacrifice to Mother Earth, and Father God ignore. "It takes a village," so they say, but something more they mean. United Nations. Washington. The liberal machine. Society. The "Brave New World." The socialistic scheme. The global ideology. The New World Order dream! - --It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child. - -- Sent to you by: JVS a/k/a Y2J's Prepardeness & Supply "It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark." "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened." --Sir Winston Churchill "It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it." - --Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --George Orwell Failure to prepare is preparing to fail. --Benjamin Franklin [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 16:04:02 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FAXALERT: Tucson Rod & Gun Club Decision Unacceptable (fwd) [excerpted] On Nov 30, NRA Alerts wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NRA-ILA FAX ALERT 11250 Waples Mill Road * Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: 1-800-392-8683 * Fax: 703-267-318 * GROOTS@NRA.org Vol. 5, No. 47 11/27/98 BATF REQUESTS COMMENTS ON GUN SHOWS As we reported in a previous FAX Alert (Vol. 5, No. 45), the Clinton-Gore Administration has set its sights on gun shows, and they will use every means at their disposal to eliminate the rights of gun owners in America. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (BATF) has recently issued an open letter requesting comments from "interested parties concerning gun shows." It reads as follows: "On November 7, 1998, the President expressed his concern about the numbers of firearms sold at gun shows and elsewhere (emphasis added) without Brady background checks being conducted or the ability to trace the firearms being sold....The President has asked that the Secretary and the Attorney General provide him with recommendations by January 6, 1999. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms would like your comments and suggestions concerning this matter. For your input to be considered please include your name and address. We request that your reply be returned to this office by December 7, 1998. We appreciate your time and input. Please mail your comments to: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Attn: Gun Shows 650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW., Suite 7400 Washington DC 20226" Of course, BATF's expansion of the President's statements to include regulating gun sales "elsewhere" raises more questions about the ultimate goals of the Administration, and NRA-ILA is currently researching the potential impact of this statement. Time is short, so please be sure to submit your comments as soon as possible if you would like to have them considered by the December 7 deadline. If you would like information from NRA-ILA regarding the truth about gun shows to help with your comments, please call the Grassroots Division at (800)392-8683. =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 98 00:26:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Please vote in this Poll!!! Should gun manufacturers be held responsible... ? (fwd) On Nov 30, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Attention RKBA Defenders, We must learn from this! The anti-Constitutionalist Leftists in our midst do NOT worry that what they assert in legislatures or before the courts may well be unconstitutional, or against common sense, or against facts or most significantly for us... ..against LEGAL PRECENDENT... ..they just DO it... and KEEP doing it until they reach their objective. We must unlearn our attitude of accepting a Leftist one-way ratchet that holds that once we have lost yet another measure of our rights by new law or court holding that we must accept it as a permanent change. Like the way Patton studied Rommel's tactics and used them to defeat the Nazi's, we must study successful tactics and use them to defeat the Left. When we say: "It's too late" or "There's nothing we can do" the Left has won without them lifting a finger and we are not worthy of the freedom the generations of Private Ryans have died to protect. DON'T believe we are helpless! We need to counterattack with our own lawsuits, our own (factual, but EMOTIONAL) propaganda, our own new laws. In the meantime, do not allow the leftist media another poll that states "most people support... [yet another anti-Constitutional proposition]. Please vote! > "Should gun manufacturers be held responsible for violence involving the firearms they make?" http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/ ..and once you have voted, contact you CongressCritters, thanks to GunOwners of America at: http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html Now go get 'em! In liberty, Rick V. jurist@attymail.com - ---------------------------------------------------- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 98 00:29:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: How 'bout it! Is our friendly local list owner in the house? :-) - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 98 01:27:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Call Congress toll free (fwd) On Dec 1, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Recd From: spiker@amnix.com (spiker) Hi Rich, There are two ways to call the following Congresscritters toll-free. I looked up the zip codes for each one on your list. 1-800-343-3222 Type in the your zip code and be connected to your Congresscritters office free of charge. 1- 800-361-5222, ext 90001 (ask for your Congresscritters office.) This is a critical week to keep calling. Its for all the marbles. The Judiciary Comittee meets next week to vote on impeachment. The full House the following week. Please keep calling your congressman (1-800-343-3222) and enter the extension number to be connected directly to their office. John Edward Porter (R-Ill) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 60085 Peter King (R-NY) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 11762 James Traficant (D-OH) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 44503 Mark Souder (R-Ind) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 46802 Billy Tauzin (R-Ind) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 70360 Bob Livingston (R-LA) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 70005 Christopher Shay (R-CT) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 06604 Dick Gephardt (D-Mo) 1-800-343-3222 Ext 63123 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 98 05:13:01 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise - -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:03:27 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: (fwd) [patriot] Its The Law (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:21:09 -0600 From: schuetzen Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net Subject: (fwd) [patriot] Its The Law Posted to texas-gun-owners by chasm@insync.net (schuetzen) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:24:39 PST, "Ray Thomas" Ray Thomas wrote: From: "Ray Thomas" It's the Law Forced Altruism List 11/4/98 - ------------------------------------------------------- Only the posts that carry this notice reflect the opinion of the List owner. All other posts are the opinion of the poster, and may or may not reflect the opinion of the List owner. - ------------------------------------------------------- This is one of the best listings of the onerous laws that have been passed by this Republican Congress I've seen. It shows graphically that we only have one major political party, but with two names. This is one you should read carefully (even if you have to print it out and save it until you have time to read it) to learn just what unconstitutional laws have been passed by this "Republican Congress" you elected to help you make government smaller and less intrusive. RAY THOMA$, Moderator [govtwatch] ESSAY By OneOfUs @kachina.net Friday, November 06, 1998, 12:31 AM PST LAND-MINE LEGISLATION by Claire Wolfe Let me run by you a brief list of items that are "the law" in America today. As you read, consider what all these have in common. 1. A national database of employed people. 2. 100 pages of new "health care crimes," for which the penalty is (among other things) seizure of assets from both doctors and patients. 3. Confiscation of assets from any American who establishes foreign citizenship. 4. The largest gun confiscation act in U.S. history - which is also an unconstitutional ex-post-facto law and the first law ever to remove people's constitutional rights for committing a misdemeanor. 5. A law banning guns in ill-defined school zones; random roadblocks may be used for enforcement; gun-bearing residents could become federal criminals just by stepping outside their doors or getting into vehicles. 6. Increased funding for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, an agency infamous for its brutality, dishonesty and ineptitude. 7. A law enabling the executive branch to declare various groups "Terrorists" - without stating any reason and without the possibility of appeal. Once a group has been so declared, its mailing and membership lists must be turned over to the government. 8. A law authorizing secret trials with secret evidence for certain classes of people. 9. A law requiring that all states begin issuing drivers licenses carrying Social Security numbers and "security features" (such as magnetically coded fingerprints and personal records) by October 1, 2000. By October 1, 2006, "Neither the Social Security Administration or the Passport Office or any other Federal agency or any State or local government agency may accept for any evidentiary purpose a State driver's license or identification document in a form other than [one issued with a verified Social Security number and 'security features']." 10. And my personal favorite - a national database, now being constructed, that will contain every exchange and observation that takes place in your doctor's office. This includes records of your prescriptions, your hemorrhoids and your mental illness. It also includes - by law - any statements you make ("Doc, I'm worried my kid may be on drugs...... Doc, I've been so stressed out lately I feel about ready to go postal.") and any observations your doctor makes about your mental or physical condition, whether accurate or not, whether made with your knowledge or not. For the time being, there will be zero (count 'em, zero) privacy safeguards on this data. But don't worry, your government will protect you with some undefined "privacy standards" in a few years. All of the above items are the law of the land. Federal law. What else do they have in common? Well, when I ask this question to audiences, I usually get the answer, "They're all unconstitutional." True. My favorite answer came from an eloquent college student who blurted, "They all SUUUCK!" Also true. But the saddest and most telling answer is: They were all the product of the 104th Congress. Every one of the horrors above was imposed upon you by the Congress of the Republican-Revolution --- the Congress that pledged to "get government off your back." Read the rest of this article here: http://www.america-collins.com/essay-art1.htm - ------------------------------------------------------- This email brought to you courtesy of... "The Professional Order Of Politicians" (POOP!) (making hay out of haybales since day one.) our motto: "Problems...NOT Solutions!" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Free Web-based e-mail groups -- http://www.eGroups.com - ------------------------------------------------------- Check out the Forced Altruism web site at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/3656 or subscribe to the Forced Altruism List. Go to: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/forcedaltruism and follow the prompts to subscribe. 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Ref.: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. - -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.net with the word help in the message body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 98 06:40:45 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Another poll (fwd) On Dec 2, C. D. Tavares wrote: Not that it would make an, "effective tool"..... [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is one we probably can't afford to lose. > M O J O U R N A L > News from the MoJo Wire and Mother Jones magazine > Week of December 1 - 7, 1998 >S N A P P O L L __________________________________________ > >THIS WEEK: Instant background checks for gun buyers began nationwide >yesterday. Meanwhile, the FBI plans to build a national database of gun >buyers. Do you think this database would be a violation of privacy, or an >effective tool in national gun control (or both)? > > http://www.motherjones.com/ - -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu http://www.macol.net/~tavares [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 98 07:25:46 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: And yet another Poll (fwd) On Dec 1, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Attention RKBA Defenders, Don't hand the Left a popular poll result that support a gun-bann result. Please - Go there and vote! (It's down and to the right on the page) 12/01/98 http://www.desnews.com/ Question: Should the Utah Legislature pass a law enabling administrators to ban guns in: Schools only 126 votes (11%) Churches only 10 votes (1%) Both 791 votes (68%) Neither 233 votes (20%) - -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 98 07:24:34 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Endurance folks -- yet Another Anti-gun poll; please vote (fwd) On Dec 1, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Think the new instant background checks for all handgun and rifle purchases will be effective? Yes -- an FBI call center will alert gun-shop owners to individuals who are not allowed to purchase guns - - 25% => 3912 votes No -- even if someone is turned down at a legal establishment, there are always other ways to get a gun - - 65% => 9953 votes Unsure -- seems the Brady Law will work only in conjunction with an illegal-weapons possession law - - 10% => 1393 votes - - Current Vote Tally: 15258 Read All About It: "Changes in U.S. Gun Sale Law http://nt.excite.com/poll/index.dcg - -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 98 21:40:45 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Solid Waste Disposal (fwd) On Dec 3, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thanks, David, for passing this along. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. - -----Original Message----- From: David L. Williams Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 10:26 AM Subject: Solid Waste Disposal Washington Post December 3, 1998 54 Babies By George F. Will CHINO HILLS, Calif.=97Where Route 71 crosses over Payton Drive, at the bo= ttom of the steeply sloping embankment, two boys, who were playing nearby, fou= nd the boxes. The boys bicycled home and said they had found boxes of "babie= s." Do not be impatient with the imprecision of their language. They have not read the apposite Supreme Court opinions. So when they stumbled on the bo= xes stuffed with 54 fetuses, which looked a lot like babies, they jumped to conclusions. Besides, young boys are apt to believe their eyes rather tha= n the Supreme Court. The first count came to a lot less than 54. Forgive the counters' imprecision. Many fetuses had been dismembered -- hands, arms, legs, head= s jumbled together -- by the abortionist's vigor. An accurate count require= d a lot of sorting out. The fetuses had been dumped here, about 30 miles east of Los Angeles, on March 14, 1997, by a trucker who may not have known what the Los Angeles abortion clinic had hired him to dispose of. He later served 71 days in j= ail for the improper disposal of medical waste. Society must be strict about = its important standards. What local authorities dealt with as a problem of solid waste disposal struck a few local residents as rather more troubling than that. They started talking to each other, and one thing led to another, and to the formation of Cradles of Love, which had the modest purpose of providing a burial for the 54 babies. The members of Cradles of Love -- just a few normal walking-around middle-class Americans -- called them babies, and still do. These people = are opposed to abortion, in spite of the Supreme Court's assurance in 1973 th= at abortions end only "potential life." (Twenty-five years later the Supreme Court has not yet explained how a life that is merely "potential" can be ended.) Some will say the members of Cradles of Love, who are churchgoers, have b= een unduly influenced by theology. Or perhaps the real culprit is biology. It teaches that after the DNA of the sperm fuse with those of the ovum a new and unique DNA complex is formed that directs the growth of the organism.= It soon is called a fetus, which takes in nourishment and converts it to ene= rgy through its own distinct, unique organic functioning, and very soon it lo= oks a lot like a baby. Anyway, theology or biology or maybe their eyes told the members of Cradl= es of Love that there were some babies in need of burials. So they asked the coroner to give them the fetuses. Then the American Civil Liberties Union was heard from. It professed itself scandalized by this threat to . . . what? The ACLU frequently works itself into lathers of anxiety about threats to the separation of church and state. It is difficult, however, to identify any person whose civil liberties were going to be menaced if the fetuses were (these are the ACLU's words) "released to the church groups for the expre= ss purpose of holding religious services." The ACLU said it opposed "facilitation" of services by a public official. The ACLU's attack on the constitutionally protected right to the free exercise of religion failed to intimidate, and in October the babies were buried in a plot provided at no charge by a cemetery in nearby Riverside. Each baby was given a name by a participating church group. Each name was engraved on a brass plate that was affixed to each of the 54 small, white= , wooden caskets made, at no charge, by a volunteer who took three days off from work to do it. Fifty clergy and four persons active in the right-to-life movement carried the caskets. Each baby's name is inscribed= on a large headstone, also provided at no charge. Fifty-four doves, provided= at no charge by the cemetery, were released at the services. The ACLU trembled for the Constitution. We hear much about the few "extremists" in the right-to-life movement. Bu= t the vast majority of the movement's members are like the kindly, peaceabl= e people here, who were minding their own business until some of the result= s of the abortion culture tumbled down a roadside embankment and into their lives. Which is not to say that this episode was untainted by ugly extremism. It would be nice if the media, which are nothing if not diligent in document= ing and deploring right-to-life extremism, could bring themselves to disappro= ve the extremism of the ACLU, which here attempted a bullying nastiness unredeemed by any connection to a civic purpose. =A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #202 *************************