From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #211 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, January 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 211 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 99 01:05:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Gun control in Australia fails] (fwd) On Jan 23, Bill Campbell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Interesting stuff from down south posted recently on the King County Libertarian discussion list. Bill - -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``No matter how much I may exaggerate it, it must have a certain amount of truth...Now rumor travels fast but it don't stay put as long as truth'' Will Rogers From: "Mike Hihn" Organization: Grassroots Liberty,http://libertyissues.com To: liberty@jazzie.com, wclp@vex.net, kclp@celestial.net Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:24:49 -0800 Subject: kclp: (Fwd) Gun control in Australia fails - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Richard Rider" To: "Richard Rider" Subject: Gun control in Australia fails Date sent: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:14:07 -0800 This is part of an article that was posted on the web from talk show host Geoff Metcalf. Website address: http://www.calnews.com/archives/Metcalf12.htm Gun Control Failure Geoff Metcalf January 23, 1999 . . . Over a year ago, Australia forced gun owners to surrender 640,381 personal firearms. The confiscation included semi-automatic .22 rifles and shotguns. The program cost the government over a half BILLION dollars. Here is what happened: 1. There was a significant and dramatic increase in criminal activity (which continues). The response from the gun control advocates to the crime wave they precipitated was "Just wait....we'll be safer...you'll see..." 2. In the wake of 12 months of data, here is what anyone can see: Australia wide, homicides are up 3.2%. Assaults are up 8.6%. Armed robberies are up 44% (yeah, a 44% increase in armed robbery). Gee, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have (and use) guns. 3. The state of Victoria saw "homicide with firearms" increase 300%. Not point 3 percent....not 3 percent.....THREE HUNDRED PERCENT INCREASE. 4. Previous to this Australian legislative brain flatulence, there had been a steady decline in homicides with firearms, and a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms. The statistic changed ONLY in the past 12 months subsequent to the gun ban. Additionally, there has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. 5. Australia's Prime Minister, at the time of the ban, was quoted as saying "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm". Remember, subsequent to his comment one state saw a 300% increase in homicide with firearms. 6. Before the ban, going back to 1910, homicides in Australia averaged about 1.8-per-100,000 or lower.....a pretty safe society by any contemporary standard. Politicians down under are now between the rock and the hard place. They are at an absolute loss to manufacture an explanation for why and how there has been no improvement in 'safety' realized....especially in the wake of such a monumental, draconian effort and expense. Creative writing won't make a purse out of a sows ear. Please folks.....it is imperative that we refuse to "sacrifice a little freedom for a little security" (or the hollow promise of more security). . . . ========================= Richard Rider Economy Telcom Voice: (619) 530-1777 Fax: (619) 530-3030 Email: RRider@san.rr.com 10969 Red Cedar Dr. San Diego, CA 92131 - -Mike Hihn GRASSROOTS LIBERTY... http://libertyissues.com =============================================== "Libertarians must be prepared to GOVERN now, or we're waiting for somebody else to create a free society." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 16:51:04 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 25 Jan 99 (fwd) On Jan 25, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ PRESS RELEASE ISSUED BY HELLPAC -- THE PAC FROM HELL It is with profound satisfaction that we learn of doubt among Republican Senators as to the wisdom of their pursuit of the President's impeachment. The polls clearly show that if the impeachment trial is not ended soon, there will be Hell to pay -- so to speak. In a nation where public opinion is the law, the Republican prosecutors are acting in a lawless manner, contemptuous of the will of the people. We have invested billions in educating the public through our communications subsidiaries, and are profoundly displeased at the prospect that the newly found wisdom of the American people is now so cavalierly challenged and disregarded by elected officials. In a sane world (as we see it), a political party would do everything to secure and perpetuate its pre-eminence, and nothing to threaten it. The Republicans, by defying public opinion in their single-minded pursuit of abstract concepts that put no food on America's table, are acting in an insane manner, rushing to surrender their political position in the name of "doing the right thing." Please! When was the last time anyone heard of a politician doing the right thing? We don't elect politicians to do the right thing, we elect them to RUN THE COUNTRY! The President's private misdeeds are exactly that: private. We have always viewed as troubling the campaign by uptight, strait-laced, puritanical feminists to criminalize the natural drives and desires of the human male, and it is now clear that the sexual harassment laws enacted at their urging have turned out to be a bad idea. We believe that the same fate should befall military laws against fraternization, and workplace rules against high-ranking men engaging in intimate relations with willing minimum-wage- (or less) earning girls in the office. Mother Nature is a glorious (and gloriously sexy) woman, and she would not have created Man as the rutting beast he is if she did not intend him to rut like a beast. Nor is it reasonable to claim that deliberately misleading statements under oath rise to the level of impeachment, particularly if they are intended to conceal private conduct from prosecution under laws that should never have been enacted. The entire case against the President is based on the fact that he is true to his nature, a nature that was wrongly criminalized by Congress itself when it passed the illegitimate laws against sexual harassment. We are mystified that anyone can believe this case has merit. The Republicans bent on destroying their party claim that the President should be held to the same legal standards as anyone else, conveniently overlooking the fact that he is the President. With great power comes great responsibility, and with great responsibility must come great privilege to offset the burden. In particular we believe a President who is true to his nature must be defended against all partisan attempts to discredit or remove him, even if we may have argued FOR the removal of previous presidents who lived their lives in constant denial of their nature as rutting beasts. A nation is like a herd -- the leader has to be the rutting-est beast of them all. Nixon, Reagan and Bush were beta males in an alpha job, as proven by the fact they never boffed anyone other than their wives. The Republicans also insist that a President who commits felonies while in office is by definition unfit to serve as President. Presumably the Republicans do not consider crimes against humanity -- such as adding fuel to the nuclear arms race, or kicking millions off the welfare rolls -- to be felonies. Compared to such evil deeds, telling a sex lie under oath in an illegitimate lawsuit becomes akin to a parking ticket. And if Presidents are to be disqualified for getting a parking ticket, who shall ever qualify? Therefore, we at HellPAC -- the PAC from Hell -- urge all of the Senators to be true to their nature. Have the courage to surrender your silly individual scruples in favor of perpetuating your career and your perks. It is far more heroic to put aside petty personal morality than to be a slave to it. And remember: Everyone alive today knows what it's like to live under a bloated, oppressive leviathan of government, while almost no one knows what it's like to live under the alternative. And as we say at HellPAC, "Better the Devil you know." - -30- January 25, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 99 04:30:06 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Please join no_ssn@egroups.com On Jan 26, eGroups User wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is the eGroups.com service. The moderator of the no_ssn@egroups.com group would like to invite you to join the group. To join, YOU MUST REPLY to this message. If you join, you can read group messages in your e-mail in-box or on the Web. Here is a welcome statement provided by the group moderator: - ------ Thank you for joining Social Security Number Not Required. Be sure to visit our web site at http://www.semantechs.com/nossn/ for the latest information. Social Security Number Not Required is a non-partisan grassroots group formed for the purpose of publicizing the fact that there is no law requiring a person to obtain, have or use a social security number to live or work in the United States. We believe Our members have diverse opinions regarding the merits of Social Security: some believe it is good, some believe it is bad. Social Security Number Not Required does not have nor do we express an opinion regarding the merits of social security ... we simpl Your membership is important because it is only with the help of freedom-loving people like you that we can publicize the important truth about social security numbers and stop privacy and employment discrimination against people who choose not to be enum Sincerely, Ray Iddings - ------ To accept this invitation, please use the "Reply" function of your e-mail program and send back a blank message. Or you can accept by going to this Web location: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe?list=no_ssn&vcode=eb1297 If you do not wish to join, please just ignore this invitation. If you have questions, please feel free to contact the moderator of this group at riddings@semantechs.com or visit http://www.egroups.com/info/help.html Thanks! The eGroups.com Team - --- FREE Web-based e-mail groups! http://www.egroups.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 99 05:55:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Your Poll Totals (fwd) On Jan 26, cpsmith@conweb.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thanks for casting your vote back on 02-Jan-1999. We promised to send you the final totals. With the Senate now close to voting on the witness proposal and the dismissal proposal, we think it's a good time to say goodbye to this chapter of American History. Our question was posed just after the House voted the for the two articles of impeachment in late December.

The question was: Now that the President has been impeached by the House of Representatives, Should the President be removed from office by the Senate?

The final total vote total was: Yes Votes = 2177 No Votes = 559 We appreciate your participation. If you would like to be informed about our next poll, please send an email message to cpsmith@conweb.com. Put the words "Next Poll" in the subject and put your email address in the body of the message. We will send you notice of our next poll.

We thank you for your support and ask that you make a visit to our sponsor, SHOP-BY-EMAIL.com...absolutely the easiest shopping on the internet!!! http://www.shop-by-email.com/index.cfm?zn=211 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 14:32:58 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Pope Exorcises Clinton! (fwd) On Jan 27, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It speaks for itself. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Williams To: David L. Williams Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:29 PM Subject: Pope Exorcises Clinton! >Snip........ > >RITES AND WRONGS >The Vatican released its updated exorcism ritual on Tuesday, several >hours before President Clinton met privately with Pope John Paul II for >20 minutes in St. Louis. The 84-page Latinate book is the first revision >since 1614. Examples of possession by the devil are "rather scarce," >explained Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez, but the devil's >influence can be seen in "the idolatry of sex and power." Furthermore, >"the use of the lie is his preferred strategy.".....snip. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Taken from the Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for >1/27/99 >http://www.nationalreview.com/ > >by John J. Miller and Ramesh Ponnuru [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:40:07 -0600 From: larry ball Subject: Re: Fw: Pope Exorcises Clinton! (fwd) Did he first service himself? He has need. Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com Bill Vance wrote: > On Jan 27, Kevin McGehee wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > It speaks for itself. > > Kevin McGehee > Fairbanks/North Pole, AK > mcgehee@mosquitonet.com > http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ > > Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Williams > To: David L. Williams > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:29 PM > Subject: Pope Exorcises Clinton! > > >Snip........ > > > >RITES AND WRONGS > >The Vatican released its updated exorcism ritual on Tuesday, several > >hours before President Clinton met privately with Pope John Paul II for > >20 minutes in St. Louis. The 84-page Latinate book is the first revision > >since 1614. Examples of possession by the devil are "rather scarce," > >explained Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez, but the devil's > >influence can be seen in "the idolatry of sex and power." Furthermore, > >"the use of the lie is his preferred strategy.".....snip. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Taken from the Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for > >1/27/99 > >http://www.nationalreview.com/ > > > >by John J. Miller and Ramesh Ponnuru > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 18:11:34 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fw: Pope Exorcises Clinton! (fwd) Unknown, though some might consider that it would come under the heading of self abuse.....:-) On Jan 28, larry ball wrote: >Did he first service himself? He has need. > >Larry Ball >lball@inetnebr.com > >Bill Vance wrote: > >> On Jan 27, Kevin McGehee wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >> It speaks for itself. >> >> Kevin McGehee >> Fairbanks/North Pole, AK >> mcgehee@mosquitonet.com >> http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ >> >> Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Williams >> To: David L. Williams >> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:29 PM >> Subject: Pope Exorcises Clinton! >> >> >Snip........ >> > >> >RITES AND WRONGS >> >The Vatican released its updated exorcism ritual on Tuesday, several >> >hours before President Clinton met privately with Pope John Paul II for >> >20 minutes in St. Louis. The 84-page Latinate book is the first revision >> >since 1614. Examples of possession by the devil are "rather scarce," >> >explained Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez, but the devil's >> >influence can be seen in "the idolatry of sex and power." Furthermore, >> >"the use of the lie is his preferred strategy.".....snip. >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >Taken from the Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for >> >1/27/99 >> >http://www.nationalreview.com/ >> > >> >by John J. Miller and Ramesh Ponnuru >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 18:13:16 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A friend sent me the following info. So far every time I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. I don't think it is a problem with my computer, but I just don't know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, someone does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY want to see it! If you can access it, please let me know. ================== I know many of you have been following this event. Jackie From: DotHB@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:10 EST To: DotHB@aol.com Subject: [ANDREWS N.C.] Website: The Federal Siege of Andrews N.C. X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) This web page is a joint effort of the 1st Unit of TN and the 91st Brigade of NC. There are pictures and information here that you won't hear on CNN (Communist News Network) or any other news channel. The things that are going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits will tell you that if feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. Federal agents are everywhere. They do not want the truth to get on this because it is there biggest takeover since Waco and they would like to make it end in the same way. That will not be allowed to happen. Some Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind and always will be. I have made many web pages and love doing it. I am not trying to win any awards with this one. I am purposely making low on graphic content, outside of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So even people with slow modems can see these and navigate this site quickly. Please send the link to this site to as many people you can or link it from your own web site. Let everyone know what is going on in Andrews. If there's anything a cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please put them in it every chance you get. Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) Commander of TN Southeastern States Alliance ================================== Pictures on the WEB SITE: For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews Click here! For pictures of their helicopters that they are using to terrify the citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For pictures that prove the feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) vans Click here! To view pictures of the feds marching and such Click here! For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the fire department of Andrews displayed Click here! For an article on Andrews that was in USA today Click here! For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click here! ===================================== CONNECT THE DOTS Dot Bibee (DotHB@aol.com) Knoxville, TN Ph/FAX (423) 577-7011 "To Deny the Constitution is to Provoke Revolution" [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:50:07 -0800 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure is...well, mediocre. Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the hoax down if it interests you. - ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Vance To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:20 PM Subject: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) >On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > A friend sent me the following info. So far >every time >I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. >I don't >think it is a problem with my computer, but I just >don't >know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, >someone >does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY > >want to see it! If you can access it, please let >me know. > >================== > >I know many of you have been following this event. > >Jackie > > > >From: DotHB@aol.com >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:10 EST >To: DotHB@aol.com >Subject: [ANDREWS N.C.] Website: The Federal >Siege of Andrews N.C. >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 > >THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC >http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html > >by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > > This web page is a joint effort of the 1st >Unit of TN and the 91st >Brigade of NC. > There are pictures and information here that >you won't hear on CNN >(Communist News Network) or any other news >channel. The things that are >going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits >will tell you that if >feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. > Federal agents are everywhere. They do not >want the truth to get on >this because it is there biggest takeover since >Waco and they would like to >make it end in the same way. That will not be >allowed to happen. Some >Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind >and always will be. >I have made many web pages and love doing it. I >am not trying to win any >awards with this one. I am purposely making low on >graphic content, outside >of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So >even people with >slow modems can see these and navigate this site >quickly. Please send the >link to this site to as many people you can or >link it from your own web >site. Let everyone know what is going on in >Andrews. If there's anything a >cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please >put them in it every >chance you get. > >Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) >Commander of TN >Southeastern States Alliance >================================== >Pictures on the WEB SITE: >For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews >Click here! >For pictures of their helicopters that they are >using to terrify the >citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For >pictures that prove the >feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! >Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! >To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue >Team) vans Click here! >To view pictures of the feds marching and such >Click here! >For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! >For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the >fire department of Andrews >displayed Click here! >For an article on Andrews that was in USA today >Click here! >For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click >here! >===================================== > CONNECT THE DOTS > Dot Bibee (DotHB@aol.com) > > Knoxville, TN Ph/FAX (423) >577-7011 > "To Deny the Constitution is to Provoke >Revolution" > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - - >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - - > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:04:16 -0500 From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) > You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. > It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > > After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain > "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . > It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show > would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything > about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg > pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > > I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in > it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in > Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > > In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban > Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither > message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure > is...well, mediocre. > > Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the > hoax down if it interests you. > > ------- > Harry E. Barnett > harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com > I am a little bit confused I went to that site and there was a bit on this Andrews NC thing with pictures and all and links to USA Today and Charlotte Observer articles on why the Feds are there... Chad - --------------------------------------------------------------- Chad Leigh Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net chad@pengar.com info@pengar.com info@shire.net Full service WWW services from just space to complete sites. Low cost virtual servers. DB integration. Email forwarding -- Permanent Email Addresses. POP3 and IMAP Email Accounts. mailto:info@shire.net for any of these. *************** Macintosh: It Just Works ****************** - --------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:17:50 -0800 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) I suspect that you are simply not vulnerable to whatever security hole the site is exploiting, and the web site, which actually exists, of course, may have some nominal normal links thereconnected to some "sort-of" real happening, giving it all plausibility, or pass you off to the links if you're not vulnerable and if the hoax doesn't suck you in. Do an nslookup on the site domain and follow the trail as far as you care to. The hysterical tone of the "alerts" turned me off to going very far with it. I went far enough to convince myself that this was a typical "Chicken Little" story started by someone with a overactive imagination, a genetic predispostion to leg-pulling, and too much time on their hands. "Somethin' strange...in the neighborhood....who ya gonna call?...Ghostbusters!" - ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com "A lie travels seven times around the world while the truth is still getting its boots on." Old Irish proverb. - -----Original Message----- From: Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC To: roc@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) >> You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. >> It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. >> >> After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain >> "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . >> It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show >> would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything >> about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg >> pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? >> >> I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in >> it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in >> Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. >> >> In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban >> Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither >> message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure >> is...well, mediocre. >> >> Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the >> hoax down if it interests you. >> >> ------- >> Harry E. Barnett >> harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com >> > > >I am a little bit confused I went to that site and there was a bit on >this Andrews NC thing with pictures and all and links to USA Today >and Charlotte Observer articles on why the Feds are there... > >Chad >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Chad Leigh Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net >chad@pengar.com info@pengar.com info@shire.net >Full service WWW services from just space to complete sites. >Low cost virtual servers. DB integration. >Email forwarding -- Permanent Email Addresses. POP3 and IMAP >Email Accounts. mailto:info@shire.net for any of these. >*************** Macintosh: It Just Works ****************** >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 23:27:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) On Jan 28, Harry E. Barnett wrote: >You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. >It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > >After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain >"meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . >It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show >would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything >about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg >pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > >I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in >it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in >Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > >In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban >Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither >message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure >is...well, mediocre. > >Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the >hoax down if it interests you. > >------- >Harry E. Barnett >harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com You're probably right, though it has to be said that the Britnews has been a lot more forthcomming and accurate WRT the Clinton administration et al. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:42:29 -0800 From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) On Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:27 PM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > On Jan 28, Harry E. Barnett wrote: > > >You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. > >It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > > > >After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain > >"meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . > >It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show > >would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything > >about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg > >pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > > > >I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in > >it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in > >Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > > > >In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban > >Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither > >message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure > >is...well, mediocre. > > > >Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the > >hoax down if it interests you. > > > >------- > >Harry E. Barnett > >harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com > > You're probably right, though it has to be said that the Britnews has been a > lot more forthcomming and accurate WRT the Clinton administration et al. I had no difficulty in going to the website with NETSCAPE sitting on top of NT 4.0 with SP3....tho I did not go down a level and activate any of the CLICK HEREs. Perhaps, your ISP just has had complaints / suggestions about that www site and filters it so you can get to it Jack > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - > - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #211 *************************