From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #212 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Monday, February 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 212 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:58:01 -0800 From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) / Pictures are there On Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:50 PM, Harry E. Barnett [SMTP:harryb@hbbse.com] wrote: > You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. > It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > > After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain > "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . > It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show > would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything > about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg > pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > > I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in > it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in > Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > > In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban > Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither > message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure > is...well, mediocre. > > Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the > hoax down if it interests you. > > ------- > Harry E. Barnett > harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Vance > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:20 PM > Subject: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) > > > >On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: > > > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message > follows --------------------] > > > > A friend sent me the following info. So far > >every time > >I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. > >I don't > >think it is a problem with my computer, but I just > >don't > >know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, > >someone > >does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY > > > >want to see it! If you can access it, please let > >me know. > > > >================== > > > >I know many of you have been following this event. > > > >Jackie > > > > > > > >From: DotHB@aol.com > >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:10 EST > >To: DotHB@aol.com > >Subject: [ANDREWS N.C.] Website: The Federal > >Siege of Andrews N.C. > >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 > > > >THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC > >http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html > > > >by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > > > > This web page is a joint effort of the 1st > >Unit of TN and the 91st > >Brigade of NC. > > There are pictures and information here that > >you won't hear on CNN > >(Communist News Network) or any other news > >channel. The things that are > >going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits > >will tell you that if > >feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. > > Federal agents are everywhere. They do not > >want the truth to get on > >this because it is there biggest takeover since > >Waco and they would like to > >make it end in the same way. That will not be > >allowed to happen. Some > >Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind > >and always will be. > >I have made many web pages and love doing it. I > >am not trying to win any > >awards with this one. I am purposely making low on > >graphic content, outside > >of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So > >even people with > >slow modems can see these and navigate this site > >quickly. Please send the > >link to this site to as many people you can or > >link it from your own web > >site. Let everyone know what is going on in > >Andrews. If there's anything a > >cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please > >put them in it every > >chance you get. > > > >Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > >Commander of TN > >Southeastern States Alliance > >================================== > >Pictures on the WEB SITE: > >For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews > >Click here! > >For pictures of their helicopters that they are > >using to terrify the > >citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For > >pictures that prove the > >feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! > >Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! > >To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue > >Team) vans Click here! > >To view pictures of the feds marching and such > >Click here! > >For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! > >For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the > >fire department of Andrews > >displayed Click here! > >For an article on Andrews that was in USA today > >Click here! > >For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click > >here! > >===================================== I went back and checked and the pictures are certainly there .....but then a friend who had been near had also sent pictures and there seems no doubt that this operation is spending thousands of dollars more than could be justified to look for one person Jack - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 06:57:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) / Pictures are there On Jan 29, Jack Perrine wrote: [snip] >I went back and checked and the pictures are certainly there >.....but then a friend who had been near had also sent pictures >and there seems no doubt that this operation is spending thousands >of dollars more than could be justified to look for one person > >Jack More likely millions by now; Tens of thousands when they built a nearby base of operations for this farce, months ago. I wonder whose dick he _really_ stepped on. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:14:51 -0800 From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) / Pictures are there On Friday, January 29, 1999 6:58 AM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > On Jan 29, Jack Perrine wrote: > > [snip] > > >I went back and checked and the pictures are certainly there > >.....but then a friend who had been near had also sent pictures > >and there seems no doubt that this operation is spending thousands > >of dollars more than could be justified to look for one person > > > >Jack > > More likely millions by now; Tens of thousands when they built a nearby > base of operations for this farce, months ago. I wonder whose dick he > _really_ stepped on. An issue or so ago of Privacy there was a long article about what I think is causing this mystery site. In particular several ISPs had banned access to privacy because a rating service they used had decided that telling people how to protect their privacy was an anti-government activity and therefore such a site should be on a restricted list. Obviously, the same rules apply to a a site with pictures of Andrews NC. Moreover, the effect was like you described the ISP simply disconnects transfers to such a site and certainly makes no effort to tell their customer that they are censoring what they download...nor did they tell the sites like PRIVACY that they had been blacklisted. Jack > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:24:39 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Kruse Sun Oklahoma SSE Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Bill, I was sent the same message - from the same source - about two days ago. I had the same symptoms as you describe - Netscape crashed upon loading. Seems to be related to either the counter or the spinning email image, though I didn't spend alot of time trying to troubleshoot it.. I was able to view the page using HotJava, however, thus indicating that it is probably not an ISP issue. Rick Kruse - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Kruse KC5UVS Enterprise System Support Engineer rick.kruse@Central.Sun.COM Sun Microsystems Voice: (918) 561-5194 Enterprise Services FAX: (918) 587-6837 321 S. Boston, Suite 600 Tulsa, OK 74103 "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" -- Aristotle > X-Charset: iso-8859-1 > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) > > On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > A friend sent me the following info. So far > every time > I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. > I don't > think it is a problem with my computer, but I just > don't > know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, > someone > does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY > > want to see it! If you can access it, please let > me know. > > ================== > > I know many of you have been following this event. > > Jackie > > > > From: DotHB@aol.com > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:10 EST > To: DotHB@aol.com > Subject: [ANDREWS N.C.] Website: The Federal > Siege of Andrews N.C. > X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 > > THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC > http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html > > by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > > This web page is a joint effort of the 1st > Unit of TN and the 91st > Brigade of NC. > There are pictures and information here that > you won't hear on CNN > (Communist News Network) or any other news > channel. The things that are > going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits > will tell you that if > feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. > Federal agents are everywhere. They do not > want the truth to get on > this because it is there biggest takeover since > Waco and they would like to > make it end in the same way. That will not be > allowed to happen. Some > Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind > and always will be. > I have made many web pages and love doing it. I > am not trying to win any > awards with this one. I am purposely making low on > graphic content, outside > of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So > even people with > slow modems can see these and navigate this site > quickly. Please send the > link to this site to as many people you can or > link it from your own web > site. Let everyone know what is going on in > Andrews. If there's anything a > cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please > put them in it every > chance you get. > > Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > Commander of TN > Southeastern States Alliance > ================================== > Pictures on the WEB SITE: > For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews > Click here! > For pictures of their helicopters that they are > using to terrify the > citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For > pictures that prove the > feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! > Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! > To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue > Team) vans Click here! > To view pictures of the feds marching and such > Click here! > For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! > For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the > fire department of Andrews > displayed Click here! > For an article on Andrews that was in USA today > Click here! > For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click > here! > ===================================== > CONNECT THE DOTS > Dot Bibee (DotHB@aol.com) > > Knoxville, TN Ph/FAX (423) > 577-7011 > "To Deny the Constitution is to Provoke > Revolution" > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:35:48 -0800 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) > >Bill, > >I was sent the same message - from the same source - about two days ago. >I had the same symptoms as you describe - Netscape crashed upon loading. >Seems to be related to either the counter or the spinning email image, >though I didn't spend alot of time trying to troubleshoot it.. > >I was able to view the page using HotJava, however, thus indicating that it >is probably not an ISP issue. > >Rick Kruse > To Bill, Jack, Rick, Chad, all who responded, you are probably right. It could be something like an HTML script error (innocent, not necessarily malicious) that the Netscape interpreter doesn't handle gracefully, and does a catatrophic shutdown of Netscape without any notice or warning. (Catastrophic errors tend to do that sort of thing.) In this event, the site regresses to making mountains out of molehills instead of being a hoax. Netscape is as bad as Microsoft when it comes to tossing code over the wall and letting the unsuspecting customer debug it. Careless Web Site programmers are worse. A pox on all their houses. - ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 16:29:06 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Senate Vote (fwd) On Jan 29, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This might have shown up here before, but here is the URL for Senate Vote, with links to all senators, and a poll on Clinton's removal. http://www.senatevote.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 16:29:46 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: re:Heads up on a poll (fwd) On Jan 29, lobo@riolink.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Current results for the poll: Created: Thu Dec 31 13:54:25 EST 1998 Should gun manufacturers be held liable for gun violence? Yes 8% 2817 votes No 88% 31960 votes Sometimes 4% 1517 votes Total: 36294 votes This poll is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole. Lobo [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 20:24:02 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: HJ 17 Full text (fwd) On Jan 29, CHURSEY@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] from Library of Congress THOMAS system - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- HJ 17 IH 106th CONGRESS 1st Session H. J. RES. 17 Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES January 6, 1999 Mr. SERRANO (for himself and Mr. SHAYS) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- JOINT RESOLUTION Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President. Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification: `Article-- `The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.'. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 20:22:25 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: IP: ANOTHER TERM FOR CLINTON] (fwd) On Jan 29, Y2J wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I just hung up from talking with Congressman Burr's office. This is a real animal. Get on the horn NOW! Let's kill this joint resolution!!!!!! We don't need another 4 years of Klinton. Not now, not ever!!!!! Jay Mary Lynn Bailey wrote: > >From Nealz Nuze, January 29, 1999 > http://boortz.com/nealznuz.htm > > ANOTHER TERM FOR CLINTON > > Rep Serrano, Jose E. has introduced H.J. Res 17 in the House of Representatives. It is > a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to > repeal the twenty second article of amendment. That would remove the limitation on the > number of terms an individual may serve as President. > > Yesterday, during his press briefing, Clinton spokesman Joe Lockhard said that the > effort has the support of the White House. > > There you have it. Clinton's whole life has been wrapped up in the acquisition of political > power. Now that he has it he clearly doesn't want to let go. > > There is no way such an effort could succeed in time for the Year 2000 election. But by > 2004? Who knows! > > **************************************************** > To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: > majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com > with the message: > (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address > > or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address > **************************************************** > www.telepath.com/believer > **************************************************** - -- - ------- Sent to you by JVS aka Y2J "REMEMBER, HALF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE ABOVE AVERAGE." "OTHER THAN THAT, MRS. LINCOLN, HOW WAS THE PLAY?" The latest survey shows that three out of four people make up 75% of the population. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:55:53 -0800 From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Fratrum: [Fwd: IP: ANOTHER TERM FOR CLINTON] (fwd) At 08:22 PM 1/29/1999 PST, you wrote: >On Jan 29, Y2J wrote: > >I just hung up from talking with Congressman Burr's office. This is a real >animal. Get on the horn NOW! Let's kill this joint resolution!!!!!! We don't >need another 4 years of Klinton. Not now, not ever!!!!! > >> Rep Serrano, Jose E. has introduced H.J. Res 17 in the House of >>Representatives. It is a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the >>Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty second article of >>amendment. That would remove the limitation on the number of terms an >>individual may serve as President. It's been my experience that things like this are hardly ever true, so I check them all out before I react. But it's right there, at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r106:1:./temp/~r1069nAxD7:e155457:. (Since you probably won't be able to duplicate this URL, try http://thomas.loc.gov, then select "Congressional Record Text, Most Recent Issue", look at the House record for January _7_, "Public Bills & Resolutions", Page H243, and then "Forward" at the bottom of the page. However: Also proposed are Constitutional amendments to ban the desecration of the flag, a Right-to-Life amendment, three on term limits for Congress, one to reconfirm Federal judges every 10 years, one to deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal aliens, two balanced budget amendments, two to regulate campaign contributions, and one to allow school prayer. None of these has a snowball's chance in hell, so a routine "I oppose frivilous amendments to the Constitution" letter might be in order. Personally, I note that in the first two days of the 106th Congress, Members of the House proposed 319 news laws and 19 Constitutional amendments. Some are harmless, such as HR31, requiring the Treasury to jointly mint a coin with Iceland to celebrate the millennial anniversary of Leif Ericsson's discovery of North America, or HR64, requiring coins marking the bicentennial of the Lewis & Clark expedition, or HR 92, a bill to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 251 North Main Street in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, as the `Hiram H. Ward Federal Building and United States Courthouse`. A few others may be worthwhile, such as HR 104, to reduce individual income tax rates by 10 percent, or HR235, to eliminate automatic pay hikes Congresscritters. But the vast majority are not, such as HR87, banning mail-order or Internet sale of ammunition without an FFL and requring dealers to report sales of over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, or HR16, National Health Insurance, or HR35, a "Saturday Night Special" ban, or HR85, banning the transfer of a handgun to a minor, or HR109, banning firearms sales at gun shows, to name only a few. How about a Constitutional amendment requiring that every Senator and Representative who shall propose a new law in Congress shall forfeit $5,000 of his annual salary, and that every Senator or Represenative who shall propose the REPEAL of an existing law shall, upon repeal, receive a bonus of $10,000. A financial sting might dampen their enthusiasm for new laws, and an incentive might help to get some bad old laws off the books. Couldn't hurt! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) - --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, ... or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." "The Living Thoughts of Thomas Jefferson", pp.46 - 47, Presented by John Dewey - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 99 16:58:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Now That's Telling Them! :-) Free Republic is going to put up a three line sky writing message over the Senate. It's going to read: This Is GOD. Convict And Remove. Or Else! - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:34:15 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:01:57 -0500 From: Ian Goddard To: dstern@copi.com Subject: Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE I just got the following message from William Thomas (http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco) a veteran journalist covering military activity who broke the story on wide- spread accounts of spraying from USAF jets that makes people sick and leaves local hospitals overflowing. USAF Jets Said To Be Spraying Something That Sickens: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html Since the story broke, William has been flooded with accounts from around the nation of massive jet-spray operations followed by widespread illness below. I've received many such accounts and I don't know what to make of this: Are these false associations? Are people pulling my leg? Or is this true? Will Thomas says yes! To get an idea of how widespread these jet-poisoning reports are, listen to the 1/25/99 Art Bell show here: http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/archive99.html#jan99 As we have seen, with respect to the now-repealed U.S. Code 10(1520), the use of entire "civilian populations" for the testing of any chemical or biological warfare agent has been fully permitted, subject only to minor conditions. The new law, USC 10(1520(a)), puts limits only on any public poisoning conducted by one official. If mass poisoning is defined in the law, can we really say that reports of jets spraying sickness down from the skies is such a big surprise? -- Ian Goddard This could be the biggest and most-covered-up story ever: ================== FORWARDED MESSAGE ====================== Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:03:48 -0800 (PST) To: Ian Goddard From: William Thomas Subject: Re: Foreign Troops? Hi Ian, . . . please issue the following alert. The clock is tickin... Something huge is going on. In many regions, I can confirm that hospital emergency rooms are filled to overflowing with a sudden epidemic of acute respiratory patients suffering from something doctors cannot diagnose - - and that is NOT the flu. Newspapers in Bakersfield, California are reporting jammed emergency rooms. Here's a typical story from a North Carolina newspaper: "FEELING ROTTEN? Outbreak of respiratory illnesses has doctors' offices full, but it's probably not the flu." by Rebecca Lentz, Staff Writer "Call it the creeping crud. Call it a virus. Call it whatever you'd like. But whatever it is, it's miserable. "Adults and children alike are down for the count with the virus. Upper respiratory infections are keeping doctors' offices hopping and the hospital seeing record numbers of patients. "Medac, a walk-in clinic, has been busy with patients complaining of similar symptoms. New Hanover Regional's patient count has been at its highest level in history, with 503 of its available 504 inpatient beds filled on Jan. 7. On Sunday, the patient count stood at 454. Even so, the majority of illnesses aren't influenza, health officials said. - -------------------------------- This much we know: 1. Reports of odd "contrails" are coming in from 22 states so far. Many sightings occurred months or years before this story was made public - prompting impromptu snapshots and video recordings and calls to the attention of friends and bystanders by people who are quite used to seeing commercial airplanes and normal contrails - and were astonished to see giant X's and grid-patterns woven "like Tic-tac-toe" by large aircraft criss-crossing the sky, often for hours over the same area. 2. These are not "contrails" being reported. The aircraft have been positively identified as USAF Boeing KC-135 and KC-10 air-to-air refueling aircraft spraying an unidentified substance from their tail-booms. 3. The observed tanker aircraft are not engaged in routine formation flying or air-to-air refueling. JP8 fuel inadvertently spilled or dumped to lower landing weights atomizes at jet speeds and does not fall as "cobwebs" observed by police officers and other reliable witnesses. Routine fuel dumping does not continue over hours by multiple aircraft weaving furrows over the same area until clear blue skies are completely hazed over. 4. Now occurring daily, this extremely expensive nationwide "spraying" is deliberate and laid down in specific patterns over hours. 5. These are not "cloud-seeding" activities as no clouds are present and local weather does not turn to rain immediately after these events. 6. In some notable cases, violent and unseasonal storms such as the recent flurry of "summer" tornadoes over Tennessee and heavy snowfall in Bakersfield, CA and Phoenix, AZ have occurred within days of documented (videotaped) spraying. Sharp "spikes" in power output from the USN/USAF "ionospheric heater" known has HAARP have were recorded just before last December's "horizontal snowstorm", localized around Turret Peak, AZ. These weather anomalies - and HAARP - may be related to aerial spraying using fast-dissolving, "smart plastic" polymers to catch HAARP's high-intensity radio waves to heat the atmosphere. Or these may be separate experiments. 6. What is definitely known and verifiable is that thousands, quite possibly tens of thousands of Americans - and perhaps more - are becoming ill enough to seek medical attention after these fly-overs, which are continuing at a stepped-up pace as I write. PLEASE get back on your network right away and ask your conscientious subscribers to once again come through for all of us and bombard their Congressional representatives with an avalanche of faxes and e-mails and phone calls demanding an immediate Senate and House investigation into the deliberate large-scale spraying currently going on across America. This is a national emergency. Thank you, and all Americans concerned for the fate of their children and their country. God bless you all, William Thomas Independent Investigative Journalist Spraying story: www.islandnet.com/~wilco See also my 4-hour interview with Art Bell: www.artbell.com ================ END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ===================== Hear the 1/25/99 Art Bell show with William Thomas here: http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/archive99.html#jan99 USAF Jets Said To Be Spraying Something That Sickens: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html **************************************************************** Visit Ian Williams Goddard ----------> http://Ian.Goddard.net ________________________________________________________________ GODDARD'S JOURNAL --> http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ________________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:50:42 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION' (fwd) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. - ---559023410-758783491-917877042=:16069 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=x-user-defined Content-ID: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:19:40 -0600 From: Garry Rife Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net Subject: INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION' From: The Drudge Report ................. WITNESS: HOUSE INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION' 01/31/99 02:18 UTC -- Investigators in the Senate impeachment trial are in fear that there will be direct retaliation against them, according to a witness that was questioned last week in Washington. Former Clinton adviser Dick Morris said on FOX NEWS CHANNEL's DRUDGE that during questioning, investigators told him that they are "physically afraid of retaliation" for their role in the impeachment trial. Joined in progress... 1/30/99 9:11 PM ET MORRIS: When I was called by the House Judiciary Committee just last weekend to testify or to meet with them I met with 3 investigators of the committee. They asked me not to use their names and I won't but they were each 50 years of age or over, they weren't kids. They had decades of experience working for the IRS, the FBI, and all kinds of other investigative organizations; they told me that they were physically afraid of retaliation. They asked me if I would testify_ DRUDGE: The ones questioning you were afraid?! MORRIS: Exactly, they asked me if I would testify and I said yea. And they said aren't you afraid of retaliation? And I said what are they going to expose, my sex life? You know we have done all that. I've taken the trouble to not sin since then. And they said no, no. I mean don't you know the list of the 25 people who have died in mysterious circumstances in connection with this investigation? And I said are you guys out of your minds? And they said no, no. And one of them said I guarantee you that each of us will have an IRS audit when this is over, he said I'm saving my receipts I know that I am going to have an audit. And I said, how does that work? And he said well the head of the IRS and Hillary are very good friends. DRUDGE: Let me get this straight, those even questioning people at this point are afraid. MORRIS: Yes. And we are not talking here about some right wing nuts, or some people who are really paranoid. We are talking about guys who have spent 20 or 30 years as top level investigators for the IRS and the FBI who have retired and are now on leave and brought back by the Judiciary Committee and they specifically asked me not to mention their names on the air. 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WITNESS: HOUSE INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION'=20

01/31/99 02:18 UTC -- Investigators in the Senate impeachment = trial are=20 in fear that there will be direct retaliation against them, according to = a=20 witness that was questioned last week in Washington.

Former = Clinton=20 adviser Dick Morris said on FOX NEWS CHANNEL's DRUDGE that during = questioning,=20 investigators told him that they are "physically afraid of=20 retaliation" for their role in the impeachment trial. =

Joined in=20 progress...

1/30/99 9:11 PM ET

MORRIS: When I was called = by the=20 House Judiciary Committee just last weekend to testify or to meet with = them I=20 met with 3 investigators of the committee. They asked me not to use = their names=20 and I won't but they were each 50 years of age or over, they weren't = kids. They=20 had decades of experience working for the IRS, the FBI, and all kinds of = other=20 investigative organizations; they told me that they were physically = afraid of=20 retaliation. They asked me if I would testify_

DRUDGE: The ones=20 questioning you were afraid?!

MORRIS: Exactly, they asked me if = I would=20 testify and I said yea. And they said aren't you afraid of retaliation? = And I=20 said what are they going to expose, my sex life? You know we have done = all that.=20 I've taken the trouble to not sin since then. And they said no, no. I = mean don't=20 you know the list of the 25 people who have died in mysterious = circumstances in=20 connection with this investigation? And I said are you guys out of your = minds?=20 And they said no, no. And one of them said I guarantee you that each of = us will=20 have an IRS audit when this is over, he said I'm saving my receipts I = know that=20 I am going to have an audit. And I said, how does that work? And he said = well=20 the head of the IRS and Hillary are very good friends.

DRUDGE: = Let me=20 get this straight, those even questioning people at this point are = afraid.=20

MORRIS: Yes. And we are not talking here about some right wing = nuts, or=20 some people who are really paranoid. We are talking about guys who have = spent 20=20 or 30 years as top level investigators for the IRS and the FBI who have = retired=20 and are now on leave and brought back by the Judiciary Committee and = they=20 specifically asked me not to mention their names on the air. =

DRUDGE:=20 Well we won't.

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