From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #214 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, February 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 214 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:23:24 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: Why the Senate is Corrupt...by Rockwell (fwd) =20 =20 THURSDAY FEBRUARY 04 1999=20 =20 =20 =20 Why the Senate is corrupt=20 There's been a lot of yammering in the Senate chambers about the Constitution, as if anyone there takes its original structure seriously. In fact, the Senate itself is no longer what the framers intended. If it were, most of these birds wouldn't even be in office.=20 The Senate was once an appointed body whose purpose was to guard the interests of the states against the central government. Thanks to the horrible 17th Amendment, it became a national body caught up in the usual election rackets and in thrall to special-interest groups.=20 The process by which this dramatic transformation took place is one of the least-known aspects of constitutional history. But the effects were devastating for the cause of human liberty. In the federal form of government, the people as citizens of their respective states controlled Washington. Today, the people in their states have no effective means to restrain the federal government that controls them.=20 The original structure was laid out in Article 1. "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof." The idea of an appointed Senate was deliberate. The people to whom they were responsible were the elected representatives closest to the people. State legislatures consisted of friends and neighbors, and they appointed respected and landed members of the community they represented, who in turn fought against taxes and other federal intrusions.=20 A vote cast in the states had direct impact on affairs in Washington. The U.S. Senate's primary attention was directed, not toward Washington or a national constituency or the next election, but toward the states as independent juridical units. The senators' concern was protecting the rights of these units, and guarding the liberties of the citizens of the states against encroachments by a rapacious executive and judiciary.=20 Through the Senate, the states wielded massive control over the central government. The Senate has always been the "aristocratic" body of Congress, but in a real if indirect sense, it was once the body closest to average people. Senators did not have campaign war chests to fill and spend. They didn't worry about paying back election bribes because there were no mass elections.=20 The disaster occurred in 1913, at the height of the progressive era when the great god of American politics became not liberty but democracy. Law and legislation in the 19th century was too fixed, the progressives claimed. What was needed was a much more expansive government that directly reflected the day-by-day democratic passions of the public -- precisely what Tocqueville warned against.=20 For the advocates of big government, the model was the House of Representatives. Before Lincoln's war, it had distinguished itself as a hotbed of centralist sentiment. It advocated and obtained war against the South. After the war, the House imposed a military dictatorship on the Southern states, and impeached a president who was trying to stop the tyranny. For good reason, the statists dreamed of making the Senate a carbon copy of the House.=20 Woodrow Wilson, consistent with the times, had also come to believe that it was God's plan that all governments should be directly elected by the people. Monarchy was out; in fact it had to be destroyed wherever it existed. Even the traditional American republic was insufficiently democratic in the Rousseauian sense. The Senate as an appointed body was a standing rebuke to this maniacal vision.=20 Nearly overnight, the character of the U.S. system of government changed. We got the income tax, which made all income vulnerable to confiscation and invited the government to pry into our private lives. We got the Federal Reserve, which in time would destroy the gold standard, the best check on government power ever known. In addition, we got U.S. entry into a European conflict that was none of our business, and a vast step-up in statism at home (the usual result of war).=20 With the 17th Amendment, we suffered a fundamental and permanent attack on the original character of the Senate itself. The new amendment read: "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof." It seemed to be a small change, but its effects would alter the entire federal arrangement constructed by the framers.=20 Suddenly, state legislatures were disempowered from the affairs of the central government. They were reduced in stature from powerful bodies that played an essential watchdog role into mere lobbyists dependent on favors from the Congress and the executive. The U.S. Senate did indeed become like the House: grasping, conniving, and slavish in its attachments to special-interest legislation.=20 Today, as the Senate examines the question of whether Clinton should be removed from office, its members are not thinking about what is best for the liberty of the citizens of the states. They are loathe to apply the law independent of establishment opinion. And what they fear is not the consternation of their state legislators, but the next election and their national standing. It should not surprise anyone when they play the coward in the face of media and executive branch pressure.=20 In light of this history, it is preposterous for the Senate to be blabbing on about the Federalist Papers and the framers' intentions with regard to the impeachment power. It is not even the body it was established to be. Hence it cannot and will not exercise the power over the executive state that it was supposed to wield by its very structure.=20 Terrible amendments to the Constitution were added early this century, but history has shown that they need not do permanent damage. The 18th amendment imposed prohibition in 1919, but in a great triumph for freedom, it was repealed with the 21st Amendment in 1933. As the Senate caves to the usual pressure groups and lets Clinton off the hook, citizens should retaliate by reversing the 17th Amendment, too.=20 Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. is president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =A9 1999 Western Journalism Center=20 This page was last built 2/3/99; 11:39:25 PM Site script= ed with UserLand Frontier=20 Direct corrections and technical inquiries to webmaster@w= orldnetdaily.com=20 =20 Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:42:50 -0800 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Your United Nations at Work and the View from Abroad Here is an example of what your tax dollars are doing in foreign climes. Notice the discrepancy between this propaganda and US-published propaganda regarding "firearm-related murder rate". In the US, we seem to be deluged with agit-prop that emphasizes how barbaric we are, having the "highest murder rate in the world" and so on. I don't think South Africa's "new" Constitution contains any provision regarding RKBA such as our Second Amendment. ["SA" == South Africa] ===Begin excerpt=== HAVING A GUN DOES NOT MAKE YOU SAFER: THE STAR, 19990204, P.2 - SA has the second highest firearm-related murder rate in the world, second only to Colombia, according to a 1998 United Nations survey. On average about 11 000 people - 30 people each day - are killed yearly by people armed with guns. SA also has the highest number of law enforcement officers killed - 212 in 1997 and 223 last year. Gun Free SA recently commissioned research on the effectiveness of firearms as a form of defence, which was released at a seminar yesterday. The conclusion of the research showed that while owning a gun made people feel safer, it did not translate into actual security. ===End excerpt=== This from a country where "actual security" equates to "observation of Traffic Control Devices [stop signs, etc.] betwenn 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. is optional, to avoid car-jackings". You can run, but you can't resist? Here is an example of the view on "Constitutions" from across the pond. This is excerpted from a post in soc.war.civil.usa posted by mwstone@aol.com 2/3/99 (a British (?) subject) ===Begin excerpt=== "Given the public attitudes of the time, the [Reconstruction] amendments were more of a promise for the future than anything. In the end, a Constitution means what the public opinion of the day *wants* it to mean. If people were not yet ready to take race equality seriously, then no amount of legislation could make it work. The converse is also true. If public opinion (including judicial opinion) is firmly in favour of, say, gun-control laws, then no amount of quoting the 2nd Amendment will stop them coming." mwstone@aol.com ===End excerpt=== In other words, the Constitution is so much twaddle, a sop for the sophomoric masses, according to this fellow. Given the fact that the English concept of "Government by Constitution" is drastically different from the United States concept, nevertheless, doesn't this adequately express the majority AMERICAN opinion right now, also? - ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - Mencken - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 04:07:13 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FBI Director Freeh Warns Of Millennium Violence (fwd) On Feb 5, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] RKBA Defenders, If you read between the lines, this looks and sounds like "psycho- politics" at work (i.e. the careful phrasing and word usage which has the effect of demonizing your enemy and justifying whatever course of action you wish to resort to). Watch how Freeh/Reno carefully frame their attack on Conservative America and paint with a broad brush to include Christians and those associated with militia as being: "..."a disturbing trend" toward the pseudo-religion of Christian Identity -- and other hate philosophies." That being the case, Americans with guns, particularly Christians with guns, are being redefined as "extremist" and "terrorist" elements. Even those NOT associated with any militia, but religious 'individuals' are included in the ambit of a possible terrorist threat. Make no mistake, while they are talking about fringe elements, who they *mean* to include are people like ourselves. Remember, these are people from the same administration that blamed Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich for the Oklahoma City bombing and used this latter-day Reichstag Fire to push through the 'Counterterrorism' Bill, which brushed aside many Constitutional protections against Governmental spying and rights of the accused. It is also the same administration that pushed through the "assault weapons" ban after immolating some 80-odd American men, women and children. Pay close attention how words can be used as weapons through simple redefinition: A home can be attacked if it is redefined as a "compound." A semi-automatic rifle can be banned after it's redefined as an "assault rifle," a pistol a "junk gun" or Saturday night special," shotguns as "alley sweepers," hunting rifles as "sniper rifles" and Christians, once redefined as "cultists," "extremists" or as a pseudo-religion, can be hunted down and killed with impunity. I don't consider myself as racist, overly religious, nor extreme. However, I can read the plain language of the Constitution, even if they cannot. The trends and indicators are not encouraging. I find it very disturbing, very disturbing indeed, when the premiere law enforcement organization in the United States are targeting Americans who are patriotic, religious and who exercise their God-given Rights under our Constitution. This is the same Justice Department who cannot see the obvious glaring problems of Chinese Communist dollars supporting the Clinton/Gore campaign, nor the treasonous transfer of highly-sensitive nuclear, encryption and multi-stage ICBM technology to the Red Chinese. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=v/nm/19990205/ts/millennium_3.html It is absolutely imperitive that we take Clinton out of office. This is what he has done to the nation and how he has corrupted our law enforcement. In liberty, Rick V. A few words on psychopolitical warfare: >"The effect you care about is the one upon officials. You must recruit every agency of the nation marked for slaughter into a foaming hatred of religious healing. You must suborn district attorneys and judges into an intense belief as fervent as an ancient faith in God that Christian Science or any other religious practice which might devote itself to mental healing is vicious, bad, insanity-causing, publicly hated and intolerable... >"...Remember, all lands are governed by the few and only pretend to consult with the many. It is no different in America. The petty official, the maker of laws alike can be made to believe the worst. It is not necessary to convince the masses. It is only - - CHAPTER XIV THE SMASHING OF RELIGIOUS GROUPS* > [*] "This book was used in underground schools, and contains the address of Beria to the American students in the Lenin University prior to 1936. The text in the book in general is from the Communist Manual of Instructions of Psychopolitical Warfare, an The Words They Use (Ideological, Political Warfare) http://www.founding.org/column37.html - -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 14:48:05 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Sender: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com On Feb 5, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] As I write this, it appears that the impeachment trial will end with either no verdict, or an acquittal largely engineered by gutless members of the Senate's Republican "leadership." Clearly those members, along with a sizeable proportion of the populace, believe that once they can "put this behind us" everything will return to whatever they think things were like before the Lewinsky matter first arose. Like all nostalgia, this is rooted in fantasy. Bill Clinton has been proven to be nearly as horrible a human being as his most extremist critics have been saying for years. The four major divisions of the Omnibus Broadcasting System, or OBS, have demonstrated beyond a shadow of doubt among persons with better than a room-temperature IQ, that they are devoted to the preservation and perpetuation of the Clinton presidency, if only because its well-deserved early termination would constitute a victory for those e-e-e-e-evil Republicans who swarmed over the walls of the citadel in 1994. Worse, a number of Republican Senators (and a handful of their brethren in the House) have been proven beyond a doubt to lack the fortitude God gave pond scum. Even though OBS has portrayed the House managers as fanatical witch-hunters, the queasy "moderate" wing of the Republican Party has made itself look worse by fleeing from even the slightest chance of short-term political difficulty, no matter the demands of long-term public duty. A few years ago I predicted to an acquaintance that history would label the 20th Century as the Era of Nonsense. In 1999, my prediction is given credence that I could not -- and certainly would not -- have expected back then. Every aspect of our lives is beset by bureaucratic idiocy -- rules and regulations having no basis in achieving any public good. The law is subjected to a series of twists and knots that look less like George Orwell's vision than Lewis Carroll's. With all the information at their fingertips that they could possibly need to be informed members of civilization, the vast majority of Americans prefer to concern themselves with the grim future facing the profession of supermodeling. "In the Wilderness" is hereby placed on indefinite hiatus. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 99 14:10:05 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SLICK_ ON THE cOMMON cONSERVATIVE (fwd) What Tom discribes as Republican ideas could better be discribed as Conservative, and Social Security investing in the stock market could more accurately be discribed as Fascism instead of Communism, but otherwise, it's a pretty fair post. On Feb 6, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Ordinarily, when I come across something interesting on the internet, I give their WWW site a plug near the end of the Slick e-zine, but there is nothing ordinary about Tom Adkins' The Common Conservative. Below is his take on the prez blueprint for his last 2 yrs. Tom's Snappy Answers will serve you well between now and the next election. You may want to get on his mailing list. Rich Martin Editor of Slick Subj: Tom Adkins- the Common Conservative Date: 99-02-03 01:39:05 EST From: Coolhair 1 BCC: RichSlick the Common Conservative 2/1/99 http://commonconservative.com orclick here-----> the Common Conservative Snappy Answers to the Stupid State of the Union Speech by Tom Adkins When Bill Clinton gave his State of the Union speech, were you grinding your teeth? And when those talking heads started fawning afterwards, were you screaming at your TV? Once again, the Common Conservative is compelled to answer with our "Snappy Answers to the Stupid State Of The Union Speech." Bill Clinton s excerpts are bolded, and we respond. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- America has created the longest peacetime economic expansion in history... Thanks to the capital gains cut, a $500 per child tax credit, welfare reform, and... ...say, weren't those Republican ideas? For the first time in three decades, the budget is balanced... It s been three decades since the last time Republicans controlled the congress. Coincidence? I think not. We have the lowest violent crime rate in a quarter century... Thanks to "three strikes," mandatory drug sentencing, and tougher law enforcement and... ...say, weren't those Republican ideas? Thanks to the leadership of Al Gore, we have a government for the information age. Al Gore can t even turn on a computer. Ask him. It s true. The state of our union is strong. Thank God. Otherwise, Bill Clinton would have ruined us. I propose we make the historic decision to invest a small portion of Social Security in the private sector. It s been tried. It s called Communism. This will earn a higher return and keep Social Security around for 55 years. The average government investment returns about 3%. Put the stock page on the wall, and I can beat 3% with a monkey and 5 darts. This is the same government that invested 2 million to study drunken gold fish. I propose we use 1 out of every 6 dollars to guarantee Medicare until the year 2020. The free market could fix this in a year. And guarantee it forever. And cost less. I propose a USA account, to give all Americans the means to save. I have a better idea. Give our damn money back. We passed the 100,000 new teachers legislation. And I can find them in the same place I can find the 100,000 new cops ...the Room of Smoke and Mirrors. Our fourth graders outperform their peers, our 8th graders are around average, our 12th graders are at the bottom. Then money obviously isn t the problem. Each year, congress invests 15 billion in our schools Then, the education bureaucracy pays itself 12 billion, and gives what s left to the kids. That s about 60 dollars for each child, if you are counting. We will end social promotion... A Republican idea. We will shut down our worst-performing schools... A Republican idea. States and school districts must be held responsible for the quality of the teachers. A Republican idea. Parents should have a choice in selecting their public schools... A Republican idea. All states and schools must adopt discipline policies. A Republican idea. Again. I can t wait until Clinton visits the next teachers union convention. Two words, Bill - "Flak jacket." Help our communities build 5,000 schools... We could do this ourselves. Just cut our taxes. Let s raise the minimum wage to 6 dollars an hour... Why stop at 6 bucks? Let s raise it to 500 dollars an hour. I ve always wondered what a $1,200 pizza tastes like. You should have the right to a specialist. You should have the right to emergency care. I should have the right to free beer, too. But if the government is brewing it, I d rather pay for it myself. We must continue to ensure access to family planning. We must continue to pay for partial-birth abortions. The justice Department is preparing a plan to take tobacco companies to court Tobacco is legal. Bribery is illegal. If Janet Reno really wants to chase crooks, she could investigate the DNC. We must bring the spark of private enterprise to every community in America. Spark? Hell, you could lite a torch with a tax cut Government investment led to the creation of the internet. And government staying away from the internet allowed it to flourish. We will continue to work on a global basis to build a financial system for the 21st Century. Fat-cat dictators and the Russian Mafia need our help, so give freely to the IMF. We must tear down barriers, open markets and expand trade. Is that why we sold secret rocket guidance technology to China? We must insist that international trade organizations be open to public scrutiny. Good. Let s start with American trade organizations; the Unions. Americans can be proud that our leadership renewed hope for lasting peace in the Middle East. He showed up. They took pictures. He went home. Big Deal. We will work to keep terrorists from disrupting computer networks Why bother? Our 15-year-old government computers will do that all by themselves in 11 months. We must increase our efforts to restrain the spread of nuclear weapons and missiles By bombing aspirin factories. America will continue to contain Saddam. "Bow wow wow." America needs a strong and effective United Nations. America needs to get out of the United Nations. My budget will help put 50,000 more police on the beat. You ll find them right next to the 100,000 cops that aren t there, and the 100,000 teachers that aren t there and the 1 billion dollars that isn t there I ask congress to restore the 5 day waiting period. Sure all criminals will respect a waiting period. "Excuse me, sir you can t rob me for 5 more days that s when I get my gun " I propose a one billion dollar Livability Agenda to help communities grow in ways that enhance every citizen s quality of life. As defined by which government bureaucrat? A one billion dollar Lands Legacy, to preserve places of natural beauty. So people in Pennsylvania are buying open land in Oklahoma? Or will this be another way to pay off Indonesia for campaign contributions, like the Escalante coal region in Utah? I call on congress to make the Employment Non-discrimination Act the law... Oh, no another quota system. And pass the Hate crimes prevention act To reverse that "Happy Crimes" legislation we passed awhile back. Let s have a census that uses the latest modern scientific methods. Like the polls that told us Democrats would keep control of the Congress in 1994. Perhaps in the daily press of events, in the clash of controversy we do not see our own time for what it truly is - a new dawn for America. Let s just say this presidency will "Go Down" in history, and leave it at that. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There you are. Your "Snappy Answers to the Stupid State of the Union Speech." Use them often. Use them wisely. But above all, use them. Tom Adkins [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 99 14:12:22 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: The Ten Commandments (fwd) Given a lot of people's level of reading comprehension these days, it's unfortunately needed. On Feb 6, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A friend sent me this but doesn't know who came up with the commentary. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ >I AM THE LORD THY GOD ... THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. >You shall not place earth spirits, nor power, nor pleasure, nor social position, >nor political ideology first in your life before God, nor shall you give >yourself over to drugs lest they push everything else out of your life, >including God. > >THOU SHALT NOT BOW DOWN BEFORE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, NOR SERVE THEM. >You shall not serve money, nor images of the rich or famous, nor rules made by >men contrary to God's Law. You shall not serve any creature or thing except God. > >THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN. >You shall not proclaim good evil, nor evil good, nor right wrong, nor wrong >right, for this is the power only of God, not of men. > >REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY AND KEEP IT HOLY. >You shall not make use of the Lord's Day, nor His Word, nor symbols of His Word, >nor men of God, to enhance your own image among men or to excuse your misdeeds. > >HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER. > >THOU SHALT NOT MURDER. >Nor shall you see murder done and fail to justly punish the murderer. > >THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. >It doesn't matter that you may convince yourself that a certain thing done a >certain way isn't adultery. Again, God alone is the Judge. > >THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. >You shall not take that which is not your own, whether by lawless force or by >wrongful law. You shall not excuse theft by calling it by another name, nor >shall you seek to make a virtue of it. > >THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS. >You shall not seek to deceive nor mislead, even if your words are "legally >accurate." > >THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, NOR HIS WIFE, NOR ANY THING THAT IS >THY NEIGHBOR'S. >You shall not even *want* to take that which is not your own. You shall not be >envious or resentful that another has more things than you have. You shall not >deceive yourself or others into believing that others are less deserving of such >things, or that you are more deserving. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 99 21:50:40 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: Free Republic needs your Help!] (fwd) On Feb 6, Charlie Mealy wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------6952E25FCD54A8FA105B7528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- NRA\ILA Member Council of Tampa Bay Charlie Mealy 727-441-4251 Fax 727-444-4452 Web Site http://home.tampabay.rr.com/membercouncil - --------------6952E25FCD54A8FA105B7528 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from www55.linkexchange.com (www59.linkexchange.com [216.32.177.236]) by mail-atm.tampabay.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8+RoadRunner) with SMTP id UAA12489 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5321 invoked by uid 100); 7 Feb 1999 01:44:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 18868 invoked from network); 7 Feb 1999 01:44:40 -0000 Received: from smtp1.gte.net (207.115.153.30) by www61.linkexchange.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 1999 01:44:40 -0000 Received: from bob (1Cust181.tnt12.tampa.fl.da.uu.net [63.10.182.181]) by smtp1.gte.net with SMTP id TAA19254 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:44:36 -0600 (CST) Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact membercouncil-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list membercouncil@listbot.com Message-ID: <001501be523b$def68ac0$0100010a@bob> From: "Bob Irvine" To: Subject: Free Republic needs your Help! 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______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to membercouncil-unsubscribe@listbot.com Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE5211.E51A99C0-- - --------------6952E25FCD54A8FA105B7528-- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 99 21:49:28 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) On Feb 6, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] By SANDRA SOBIERAJ Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton requested legislation Saturday to require background checks on all firearms buyers at gun shows, which he says have become ``cash-and-carry convenience stores for weapons used to maim and kill.'' The new national policy, Clinton said, should be: ``No background check, no gun. No exceptions.'' The National Rifle Association called his proposal a ``public relations stunt'' and said the federal government is not enforcing existing gun control laws. http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpwh0y.htm Comment: Pissed off enough yet? I am. So with over 70 million gunowners we are going to let this happen? May I make some suggestions? 1) Contact Congress. It may work, it may not , but it's certain NOT to work if you do nothing. http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html 2) Organize. If you are not part of a state, regional or National RKBA Rights organization, make one. Write letters, advertise - if only on the internet - raise money, seek out attorneys and bring lawsuits. If you don't know how to make one contact any one already in existence and ask ho they got started. If you don't know of any groups, contact me and I will send you a list of know State RKBA groups. I will post the list on the Net. 3) Communicate - with all the OTHER RKBA Rights groups, share information, tactics and resources. 4) Recruit, proselytize. Each one of us must become emmissaries for the Second Amendment and let others know, without the Second Amendment, the rest are useless. Grab an armload of voter's registration forms and ask your gunshop, rifle range, skeet range, outfitter and CCW training school to have such forms handy, as well as URLs to major RKBA Rights pages. Take some Voter's registration forms to gunshows as well. It's not about guns, it's about Freedom. 5) Attorneys - we need you. If there are any attorneys who specialize or devote a substantial portion of their practice to Constitutional defense, the Second Amendment and need an associate for research and as a litigation understudy, please contact me. Jurist@attymail.com I will relocate to any state that honors CCW. I am a member of the Florida Bar and will be a candidate for the Virginia Bar in 1999. In liberty, Rick V. jurist@attymail.com http://freeweb.digiweb.com/pages/RKBA/commies.htm - -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #214 *************************