From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #245 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, June 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 245 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: John Curtis Subject: NASW - here's a view of the opposition Received a pamphlet in the mail from the National Association of Social Workers - NASW. Wow! Did these guys ever get the wrong address. I've saved it because of the view it gives into a worldview of life/government that nearly everyone on this list adhors. Featured is a book: "Repackaging the Welfare State" by Pranab Chatterjee. Quoting from the blurb: "Although the welfare state is unquestionably one of the noblest accomplishments of the 20th century, certain steps must be taken for its continued survival, including market participation and population planning. This ground-breaking analysis of the welfare state examines the fundamental conflict existing in every modern industrial state between efforts to optimize efficiency and equality. Contents The Welfare State: Promises and Performance The State as an Agent of Distribution Functions of the State Styles of Redistribution 1 Style of Redistribution 2: Boundary Defining and Rationing Lessons Learned in the 20th Century Repackaging the Welare State Postscript Written for students and instructors of social policy, this book seeks to bring true scholarship to bear on the issues of the welfare state, rather than to rely on partisan advocacy as so many have done in the past." ciao, jcurtis - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 99 07:58:33 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fwd: More Governmental Excess (WorldNetDaily) (fwd) As far as I know, it's legit..... On Jun 02, boyd@seanet.com wrote: >Bill, this PURGE thing, it's deliberate irony right? >Someone, seeing how power tends to concentrate adopted the definitive >term for Uncle Joes political tactics and adapted their acronym to it, >right? Am I reading to much into it? If so, I think my spin is -way- >more humorously ironic then anyone elses ; ) -Boyd (sorry if I'm just >not being with it here) Kneeland > >Bill Vance wrote: >> >> On Jun 2, ASSETNJ@aol.com wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >> From: PolitUnion@aol.com >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:36:04 EDT >> Subject: More Governmental Excess (WorldNetDaily) >> >> Comments, anyone? >> >> The Political Union for the Reform of Governmental Ethics (PURGE) >> (politunion@aol.com) >> >> WEDNESDAY JUNE 02 1999 >> >> Joseph Farah is editor of WorldNetDaily.com and executive director of the >> Western Journalism Center, an independent group of investigative reporters. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> A glimpse of totalitarianism >snip-a-roo - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 99 08:16:37 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [2ndamendmentnews] fwd: Top 10 Reasons to Contact the RNC (fwd) On Jun 03, CR Howard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: CR Howard Dear 2nd Amendment Supporter, For those of you who haven't heard, Wayne LaPierre 'came out' and endorsed Safety-Free School Victim Zones and other "reasonable" gun controls: "We think it's reasonable to support the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act." - -- Wayne LaPierre to the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, May 27, 1999 Reasonable, or Treasonable? ********************************* Top Ten Reasons to Make Sure You've Contacted the RNC - -- [And] put your Reps. on notice that you oppose Juvenile Injustice bill Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org ACTION for June 1, 1999: Make sure you've called, e-mailed, or sent a fax to Jim Nicholson of the Republican National Committee. [A sample letter is printed below.] You can reach Mr. Nicholson at: Phone-- 202-863-8500, 863-8700 E-mail-- info@rnc.org Fax-- 202-863-8774, 863-8820 Furthermore, you should contact your Representatives in their home districts over this week and tell them you oppose the anti-gun juvenile crime bill. You can also leave a message for them at their national offices in the Capitol by calling toll-free at 1-888-449-3511 or by calling the regular number at 202-225-3121. Finally, check out the GOA web page at http://www.gunowners.org/106svote.htm to get a legislative summary (and complete voting records) of the anti-gun provisions that were stuck into the Senate juvenile injustice bill (S. 254). Top Ten Reasons Why You Need to Make Sure You've Contacted the Republican Party 10. Because according to news reports, Senate (Republican) Majority Leader Trent Lott "could have prevented Lautenberg's [gun control] amendment from even coming to a vote." [1] One White House official was pleasantly "shocked and surprised" that Lott allowed the vote. (Sen. Lott not only brought the juvenile crime bill to the floor, he voted for it-- even after all the anti-gun amendments were attached to it.) 9. Because the top Republican leader in the House, Speaker Denny Hastert (R-IL), is endorsing gun control and vigorously pushing the anti-gun crime bill to the floor for a vote. [2] 8. Because the powerful Judiciary Committee Chairman in the House, Republican Rep. Henry Hyde (IL), is supporting a wide array of new gun control proposals. [3] 7. Because the Republican Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Crime, Rep. Bill McCollum (FL), is also supporting 2nd Amendment restrictions that are in the juvenile crime bill. [4] 6. Because Republican and House Majority Leader Dick Armey (TX) has endorsed instant registration checks on private sales at gun shows. [5] 5. Because House Republican Whip, Rep. Tom DeLay (TX)-- who is normally an opponent of gun control-- has now stated he "favor[s]" some of the gun rights restrictions in the juvenile bill. [6] 4. Because a majority of Republicans (31 yeas v. 23 nays) voted for the anti-gun juvenile bill in the Senate. 3. Because Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle has stated that, "There may not be much difference between Democrats and Republicans anymore." [7] 2. Because Republicans have completely abandoned the very voters that helped put them into the majority in 1994. AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON GUN OWNERS NEED TO CONTACT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS... 1. Because the Republican Party "spin-meisters" in Washington, DC are claiming that grassroots folks like yourself aren't really upset about the gun control that passed in the Senate. [8] * * * * * Dear Mr. Nicholson: Words can not express the outrage that I feel over what Republicans in the U.S. Senate just did to gun owners' rights. Watching Republicans stumble over themselves to violate their oath of office and pass restrictions upon the 2nd Amendment was simply disgusting. The media says there has been a public "mood shift" following the Colorado shooting. But that's just a figment of their collective imagination. A new poll released by the Denver Rocky Mountain News on May 20 showed that "Gun-control opinions [are] unchanged" following the Littleton tragedy. The poll found that a full 65-percent of Coloradans FAVOR allowing decent citizens to carry concealed firearms. This is barely down from the 66 percent figure that was taken in February-- a difference well within the margin of error. So why then have Republicans run for the tall grass? Why have they betrayed their oath of office to sacrifice my constitutional rights on the altar of gun control? While I probably disagree with Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle most of the time, he hit the nail on the head just recently. On May 19, he said, "There may not be much difference between Democrats and Republicans anymore." Indeed, if there is "no difference" between the two parties legislatively, then why should I make a distinction between the two monetarily? Moreover, why should I make any distinction at all-- like at the ballot box? Please tell me. Sincerely, __________________________________ 1 Jake Tapper, "Whole Lott o' blamin' goin' on," Salon Magazine, 5-24-1999. 2 Laurie Kellman, "GOP Allows More Gun Control Votes," AP, 5-19-1999. 3 Lance Gay, "House leaders support gun bill," Washington Times, 5-26-1999. 4 Juliet Eilperin, "House Leaders Back Gun Control," Washington Post, 5-26-99. 5 Laurie Kellman, "House GOP Nixes Quick Vote on Guns," AP, 5-26-1999. 6 "Gun control debate shifts to House," AllPolitics, May 24, 1999. 7 Laurie Kellman, "GOP Makes More Gun Concessions," AP, 5-20-1999. 8 Donald Lambro, "GOP ponders fallout from gun-control vote," Wash. Times, 5-25-99. ************** To subscribe to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network directly...send a message to goamail@gunowners.org and include the state in which you live, in either the subject or the body... - -- To subscribe directly to 2ndAmendmentNews, go to http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/2ndAmendmentNews or send an e-mail with subscribe firstname lastname (in either the subject or the body) to 2ndamendmentnews-owner@onelist.com * * * * * * * FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY RUGERS... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 99 09:40:25 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: a good column from JWR (fwd) On Jun 3, Shimm, David wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Don Feder <<...>> JWR's Pundits World Editorial Cartoon Showcase Tony Snow Cathy Young Dr. Laura Bob Greene Michael Kelly Jeff Jacoby Paul Greenberg MUGGER David Corn Sam Schulman Philip Weiss Mort Zuckerman Richard Chesnoff Larry Elder Cal Thomas Jonathan S. Tobin Don Feder Linda Chavez Mona Charen Thomas Sowell Walter Williams Ben Wattenberg <<...>> Don't think, just vote (JWR) ---- (http://www.jewishworldreview.com) WHEN POLITICIANS tell you not to ask questions, demand evidence or weigh opposing views, but to just shut up and let us pass this legislation -- because, hey, we've got an emergency here -- you should start sweating bullets, especially when the issue is gun control. Having successfully stampeded Senate Republicans, Democrats are furious that they couldn't get a House vote on their newest gun-control numbskullery last week. House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt told his colleagues school shootings in Colorado and Georgia have created a "national crisis." "And we need to treat it that way and move on." Vice President Al Gore urged House members to go beyond the Senate bill, which regulates private sales at gun shows and mandates safety locks on handguns. Gore pushed the president's plan to limit handgun sales to one a month. Why not similar restraints on the exercise of other constitutional rights? Perhaps individuals should only be allowed to express controversial views once a month? Maybe officeholders should ration their harebrained proposals in similar fashion. If once-a-month is good, wouldn't once-a-year be even better? How about a lifetime limit? Congressional Republicans are running for cover, while Democrats chant: "Vote now! We must act before the evil gun lobby mobilizes its forces." God forbid Congress should actually hold hearings on proposals to limit a basic right. Inconceivable that the nation's 60 million gun-owners should be heard. Democrats are demanding a vote in an atmosphere of hysteria for a very good reason -- their cause is driven by pure emotion. It will not stand up to dispassionate analysis. Take gun shows, those dens of iniquity. (Law professor David Kopel says liberals regard gun shows the way Marxists view the New York Stock Exchange.) The Senate voted to require background checks on private sales at shows. But over 60 percent of dealers there have federal firearms licenses and thus are already required to screen potential purchasers. According to a justice department study, gun shows account for less than 2 percent of the firearms used in crimes, compared to the 25 percent that come from retail stores. If a widow who wants to dispose of half a dozen rifles in her late husband's collection is required to do background checks when she sets up a table at a show, shouldn't she have to follow the same procedure if she sells through a newspaper ad? And how will we know if she's complied if her guns aren't registered? And wouldn't registration give us a handy list when confiscation time rolls around? The case for safety locks is even less compelling. Since 1930, the number of firearms owned by Americans quadrupled while accidental firearm deaths declined 62 percent. Nationally, firearms account for 1.2 percent of accidential fatalities, compared to poisoning (10 percent), drowning (4 percent) and choking on an ingested object (3 percent). Are Democrats suggesting that teens bent on massacre, who can build bombs, but can't figure out how to saw through a lock? If you force a gun lock on someone who doesn't want it, how will you know that he actually uses it? Have a cop follow him home? Perhaps owners should be required to store their arms at gun clubs, in underground vaults, controlled by time locks? Keeping them in central locations would also facilitate confiscation. Hunters and collectors should store their firearms securely. But someone living in a high-crime area, whose life may depend on quick access to a pistol, can't call a time out while he unlocks and loads his .38. Armed citizens dispatch 3,000 criminals a year, more than three times the number killed by police. According to a study by the National Center for Policy Analysis, only one-fifth of violent-crime victims who defended themselves with a firearm were injured, compared to half who were unarmed. Gephardt, Gore and their lynch party would increase the odds -- in favor of criminals. Liberals are forever trying to close "loopholes" in the nation's gun laws. But it's the loopholes that allow the exercise, albeit increasingly circumscribed, of the fundamental right to self-defense. Each new restriction (which won't reduce crime anyway -- they never do) acclimates the woolly nation to the idea that guns are inherently evil and brings us one step closer to the ultimate goal -- ending private ownership. The Second Amendment? Well, don't think about that either. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:08:33 +0100 From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: A Father's Testimony] - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: A Father's Testimony Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: claw@chc.com Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:28:28 -0700 From: Jason Goertz To: "Teresa Goertz" , claw@chc.com, katpau@wa.freei.net > > A Father's Testimony=20 > Though this may not reflect everyone's view that reads this, I=20 > submit this piece as an RKBA article that shows a brave man who=20 > put blame where it needed to go: Not to the NRA or Gun Owners,=20 > but to the evil within a man's heart. It is a powerful testimony,=20 > given to some very corrupt and evil Politicians in Washington,=20 > D.C.=20 > > Let the chips fall where they may.=20 > > - - -- Gun Owners Alliance=20 > Chris W. Stark - Director=20 > > ____________________ =20 > <http://www.GOA-Texas.org> http://www.GOA-Texas.org > > =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=20 > > TESTIMONY OF DARRELL SCOTT FATHER OF TWO VICTIMS OF COLUMBINE=20 > HIGH SCHOOL SHOOTING LITTLETON, COLORADO BEFORE THE=20 > SUBCOMMITTEE=20 > ON CRIME HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF=20 > REPRESENTATIVES.=20 > > THURSDAY, MAY 27,1999 2:00 P.M.=20 > 2141 RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING=20 > > > Since the dawn of creation there has been both good and evil in the hea= rt of > men and of women. We all contain the seeds=20 > of kindness or the seeds of violence.=20 > > The death of my wonderful daughter Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of= that > heroic teacher and the other children who died=20 > must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.=20 > > The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel = out in > the field. The villain was not the club he used.=20 > Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true=20 > killer was Cain and the reason for the murder could only be found=20 > in Cain's heart.=20 > > In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how qu= ickly > fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA.=20 > > I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gu= n. I > am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I=20 > don't believe that they are responsible for my daughters death.=20 > Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I=20 > believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be=20 > their strongest opponent.=20 > > I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy - it w= as a > spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at=20 > where the real blame lies!=20 > > Much of that blame lies here in this room. Much of that blame lies behi= nd the > pointing fingers of the accusers themselves..=20 > > I wrote a poem just four nights ago that express my feelings best. This= was > written way before I knew l would be speaking here=20 > today.=20 > > Your laws ignore our deepest needs Your words are empty air.=20 > You've stripped away our heritage.=20 > You've outlawed simple prayer.=20 > > Now gunshots fill our classrooms. And precious children die.=20 > You seek for answers everywhere.=20 > And ask the question "WHY"?=20 > > You regulate restrictive laws. Through legislative creed.=20 > Add yet you fail to understand.=20 > That God is what we need!=20 > > Men and women are three part beings. We all consist of body, soul, and > spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our=20 > makeup, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred=20 > to rush in and wreak havoc.=20 > > Spiritual influences were present within our educational Systems for mo= st of > our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began=20 > as theological seminaries. This is a historic fact.=20 > > What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God and i= n > doing so, we open the doors to hatred and violence.=20 > > And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs, politicia= ns > immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA.=20 > They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that=20 > continue to erode away our personal and private liberties.=20 > > We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have bee= n > stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can=20 > stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre.=20 > > The real villain lies within our OWN hearts. Political posturing and > restrictive legislation is not the answers.=20 > > The young people of our nation hold the key. There is a spiritual awake= ning > taking place that will not be squelched!=20 > > We do not need more religion. We do not need more gaudy Television > evangelists spewing out verbal religious garbage. We do not need=20 > more million dollar church buildings built while people with basic=20 > needs are being ignored.=20 > > We do need a change of heart and an humble acknowledgment that this nat= ion > was founded on the principle of simple trust in God.=20 > > As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his = two > friends murdered before his very eyes. He did not=20 > hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny=20 > him that right!=20 > > I challenge every young person in America and around the world to reali= ze > that on April 20, 1999 at Columbine High School - - prayer=20 > was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers=20 > offered by those students be in vain.=20 > > Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legisl= ation > that violates your conscience and denies your=20 > God-given right to communicate with Him.=20 > > To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA - I give to you > sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before=20 > you cast the first stone!=20 > > My daughter's death will not be in vain. The young people of this count= ry > will not allow that to happen.=20 > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 99 22:56:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: [UWSA] FREE Cox Report (fwd) On Jun 6, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:54:07 -0500 From: "J. W. Welch" To: uwsa@uwsa.com Subject: [UWSA] FREE Cox Report FREE COX REPORTS!!! Tell Everyone!! Hi Guys!! This is a GREAT IDEA from Pat Muth, a Florida reformer who sometimes sits in on the Pat Choate/Russ Verney Show. Lest our representatives in Washington think we're not paying attention or that the contents of the Cox Report aren't important to us, she suggested that we all call our Congressmen and ask for our own copies of the Cox Report. The Government Printing Office has been busy turning out copies. And they're ours for the asking. So give a call to your Congressman and get your own copy today! ALL of us should CALL our Congress Members to receive our very own... FREE COPY OF COX REPORT!! The more of these circulating the better!!!! Tell Everyone!!! AND THE CALL IS EVEN TOLL FREE!!! Capitol switchboard at 1-888-449-3511 & 1-800-FELIX-49. Plus House Only at 1-800-972-3524. =================================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. To join or leave this list send mail to majordomo@uwsa.com TO: majordomo@uwsa.com Subject: - ---------------------------------------- (un)subscribe uwsa Visit our world wide web site at http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSAintro.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 99 11:25:29 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ALERT: I just got off the phone with... (fwd) On Jun 9, gil pyles wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ALERT: I just got off the phone with... From: Gil Pyles-Vice President SACMO The Second Amendment Coalition of Missouri Everyone-now is the time to act and prepare for further action. I just got off the phone with, well you name it: Joe Waldron-CCRKBA/SAF, Joel Partridge NRA/ILA, the staff in the offices of: Henry Hyde, Dick Armey, Tom Deley, Hassert, Emerson, Talent, McCollum, the RNC and on and on. LAUTENBERG gun control amendments must be stopped, or severely rewritten... GUN CONTROL-The Juvenile Crime bill is alive and kicking the in the House now. The Senate bill S 254 will now be HR 1501, HR 2037. I have 2037 in from of me. It is "better" than the Lautenberg amendment that came out of the Senate, but are we talking about the lesser of two evils here? GUT FEELINGS: Here's my take & gut feelings on all this. 1.) Importation ban on large capacity magazines-forget it... 2.) Background Checks at gun shows-we will have them... BUT, here's what we must do: Tell them this is "knee-jerk" reaction legislation... CALL, CALL, CALL, CALL-and tell the REPUBLICANS & DEMOCRATIC that you are deeply concerned about LAUTENBERG style gun control amendments. LAUTENBERG will shut down all gun shows in my opinion. LAUTENBERG says you will show a Photo ID to get in a gun show and sign a ledger if you even walk in a gun show with a gun, even if it is not for sale! You will be classified as a "GUN SHOW VENDOR" if you just bring a shotgun in with you-that is not for sale to find a new screw-in choke! And that's just the beginning... Now is the time-the bills are out of the Judiciary Committee, the Rules Committee is scheduled to meet Tuesday June 15, and then the bills will be brought to the House floor on Thursday June 17, or sometime there about. If you are every going to do anything do it now. CALL You can call the Capitol Switchboard and be connected to any Representative. 1-202-225-3121 is the Capitol Switchboard. 1-202-225-3121 call now. Call next week. Call and "cast your vote" with your phone call. Call Talent, call Gebhart, call Emerson, call Hyde, Armey, Deley, Hassert etc. Gil Pyles Vice President-SACMO The Second Amendment Coalition of Missouri [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 23:15:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Quote of the week] (fwd) On Jun 10, Dan Gifford@worldnet.att.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > Subject: Quote of the week > > "Now let's see if I understand this correctly: President Clinton has > ordered our forces to engage an entrenched, politically motivated enemy, > backed by the Russians, on their home ground, in a foreign civil war, in > difficult terrain, with limited military objectives, with bombing > restrictions, boundary and operational restrictions, queasy allies, far > across an ocean, with uncertain goals, without prior consultation with > Congress, having the potential for escalation, while limiting the forces at > his disposal, and while the majority of Americans are opposed to, or are at > best uncertain about, the value of the action being worth American lives. > ---- So, what was it that Clinton was opposed to during Vietnam?" > -- Lt.Gen. Tom Griffin, USA (Ret.) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 23:14:39 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Y2K - Education - and songs (fwd) On Jun 11, jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] First, Call your Congresscritters: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Now Homeschooling and global tyranny By Samuel L. Blumenfeld © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com >...But eventually, the world government clique will have to impose its will on the American people. They will do so when the time is ripe and the situation irreversible. Americans will be given the same ultimatum that it gave Milosevic: surrender or die ] But they will not be able to give Americans that ultimatum as long as the people still have their guns. That is why the movement against Second Amendment rights has been intensified. They will use an aroused public opinion as the "democratic" battering ram to destroy the Second Amendment. (The other night, the moron who hosts "Politically Incorrect," was all for getting rid of the Second Amendment. And he got much applause from an audience with the discernment of an ostrich.)..." Read the rest at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_excomm/19990610_xex_homeschoolin.shtml Instead of "Yankee Doodle" some more contemporary tunes may make this period in history. Regards, Rick V. - ------------------------------------------------- Lunatic Fringe [from "Neruda"] "Lunatic fringe I know you're out there You're in hiding And you hold your meetings We can hear you coming We know what you're after We're wise to you this time We won't let you kill the laughter. Lunatic fringe In the twilight's last gleaming This is open season But you won't get too far We know you've got to blame someone For your own confusion But we're on guard this time Against your final solution We can hear you coming (We can hear you coming) No you're not going to win this time We can hear the footsteps (We can hear the footsteps) Way out along the walkway Lunatic fringe We know you're out there But in these new dark ages There will still be light An eye for an eye; Well before you go under... Can you feel the resistance? Can you feel the thunder?" - ---------------------------- See also: "Hey Man Nice Shot," 35 sec, 2MB Quicktime http://www.iuma.com/Warner/music/Filter/excerpt-Hey_Man_Nice_Shot.qt - ----------------------------------------- "Silent Running" - Mike + The Mechanics Take the children and yourself And hide out in the cellar By now the fighting will be close at hand Don't believe the church and state And everything they tell you Believe in me, I'm with the high command Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you? Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you? There's a gun and ammunition Just inside the doorway Use it only in emergency Better you should pray to God The Father and the Spirit Will guide you and protect from up here Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you? Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you? Whatever flag they offer Never hint at what you really feel Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters Will rise up and fight while we stood still Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you? Can you hear me, can you hear me running? Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you? Can you hear me running (can you hear me calling you?) (Can you hear me) hear me calling you? (Can you hear me running) hear me running babe? (Can you hear me running) hear me running? Calling you, calling you - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA - ---------------------------------------------------------------- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 99 15:28:00 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: FW: About 250 signatures (fwd) On Jun 11, Posthill, John B. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date sent: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:16:53 -0500 > To: Recipient List Suppressed:; > >From: "John R. Lott, Jr." > > Dear Fellow Academics: > > I really could use your help. Attached is an open letter that is being > circulated to academics around the country on gun control. The academics > who have put this together would really like the political debate to > reflect both the costs and benefits of the current new laws being > discussed. Given how quickly things are developing in Washington, we want > to get these collected by June 14 or 15th, 1999. It is my understanding > that the votes on many of these new laws will be extremely close. You can > e-mail your response to me at john_lott@law.uchicago.edu. (If you prefer, > we also have access to a somewhat reliable fax at (409) 846-5748.) The > timing for all this depends upon when the vote in Congress is set to take > place. > > If we can get over a few hundred names, I think that there is a reasonable > chance that I can get the Wall Street Journal to mention the letter on > their editorial page. > > Thank you for your time, and any help that you can offer will be greatly > appreciated. I apologize if I have already sent this to you but I have not > had time to completely cross check the different e-mail lists that I have > been given. I also apologize if you were included on this list by mistake. > > Regards, > > John R. Lott, Jr. > > Dear Members of Congress: > > After the tragic attacks at public schools over the last two years, there > is an understandable desire to "do something." Yet, none of the > legislation would have prevented the recent violence. The current debate > focuses only on the potential benefits from new gun control laws and ignores the fact that these laws can have some very real adverse effects. > Good intentions don't necessarily make good laws. What counts is > whether > the laws will ultimately save lives, prevent injury, and reduce crime. > Passing laws based upon their supposed benefits while ignoring their costs > poses a real threat to people's lives and safety. > > These gun control laws will primarily be obeyed by law-abiding citizens and > risk making it less likely that good people have guns compared to > criminals. Deterrence is important and disarming good people relative to > criminals will increase the risk of violent crime. If we really care about > saving lives we must focus not only on the newsworthy events where bad > things happen, but also on the bad things that never happen because people > are able to defend themselves. > > Few people would voluntarily put up a sign in front of their homes stating > that "This home is a gun free zone." The reason is very simple. Just as > we can deter criminals with higher arrest or conviction rates, the fact > that would be victims might be able defend themselves also deters attacks. > Not only do guns allow individuals to defend themselves, they also provide > some protection to citizens who choose not to own guns since criminals > would not normally know who can defend themselves before they attack. > > The laws currently being considered by Congress ignore the importance of > deterrence. Police are extremely important at deterring crime, but they > simply cannot be everywhere. Individuals also benefit from being able to > defend themselves with a gun when they are confronted by a criminal. > > Let us illustrate some of the problems with the current debate. > > The Clinton administration wants to raise the age at which citizens can > possess a handgun to 21, and they point to the fact that 18 and 19 year > olds commit gun crimes at the highest rate. Yet, Department of Justice > numbers indicate that 18 and 19 year olds are also the most likely victims > of violent crimes including murder, rape, robbery with serious injury, and > aggravated assault. The vast majority of those committing crimes in this > age group are members of gangs and are already breaking the law by having a > gun. This law will primarily apply to law-abiding 18 to 21 year olds and > make it difficult for them to defend themselves. > > Waiting periods can produce a "cooling-off period." But they also have > real costs. Those threatened with harm may not be able to quickly obtain a > gun for protection. > > Gun locks may prevent some accidental gun deaths, but they will make it > difficult for people to defend themselves from attackers. We believe that > the risks of accidental gun deaths, particularly those involving young > children, have been greatly exaggerated. In 1996, there were 44 accidental > gun deaths for children under age 10. This exaggeration risks threatening > people's safety if it incorrectly frightens some people from having a gun > in their home even though that is actually the safest course of action. > > Trade-offs exist with other proposals such as prison sentences for adults > whose guns are misused by someone under 18 and rules limiting the number of > guns people can purchase. No evidence has been presented to show that the > likely benefits of such proposals will exceed their potential costs. > > With the 20,000 gun laws already on the books, we advise Congress, before > enacting yet more new laws, to investigate whether many of the existing > laws may have contributed to the problems we currently face. The new > legislation is ill-advised. > > Sincerely, > > ________________________ > Name > > ________________________ > Department > > ________________________ > University > > ________________________ > Telephone Number > > ________________________ > e-mail address On Jun 11, Posthill, John B. wrote: >Nobanners: > >If you know any pro-rkba folks in academia, please get them to sign up with >Professor Lott. (see below) > >He has asked for some help (in order to help us, I might add) so let's give >the extra push on this one. > >Thanks, >John > > ---------- > From: John R. Lott, Jr.[SMTP:john_lott@law.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:41 AM > Subject: About 250 signatures > > Dear Friends: > > Thank you for signing the Open Letter. I appreciate the efforts that you > all have gone to, and some of you have gotten many different people to > sign > on. Right now we have about 250 people, which is fantastic for the single > week that we have had to put this together. It looks like we will have > until Monday morning to collect more signatures. I know everyone has > worked hard on this, but if everyone could try to get one more person to > sign, we could really have a big impact. Whatever you can do between now > and Monday morning at 11:00 AM eastern time will be greatly > appreciated. > > Best, > John Lott [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #245 *************************