From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #271 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Tuesday, August 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 271 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:01:35 -0700 From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 37 (fwd) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 10:12 AM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 37 (fwd) > > > On Aug 16, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > --------------------] > > =A9 1999 Rich Martin >> > TOBACCO DEAL > > If the govt was really interested in fighting tobacco=20 > addiction, you'd think they'd be giving tax credits for > attending Stop Smoking classes. > > If the gov was really interested in fighting deaths from tobacco addiction, they would abolish the FDA. Then, entrepreneurs would sell nicotine in inhalers, which would satisfy the addiction completely, yet avoid the tar and carbon monoxide which result in more than 500K deaths per year. The FDA is entirely responsible for all of the tobacco-related deaths for at least the last 50 years. That this is a mere side-effect of their regulations (which also kill more people than they save), doesn't absolve them of culpability. Lew - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 13:31:31 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - Special Edition - August 16, 1999 (fwd) On Aug 16, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mail@mcgeheezone.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ YOUTHFUL INDISCRETIONS? What if I told you that Bill Clinton never once committed a youthful indiscretion? Now let me add context. What is the difference between a youthful indiscretion and a character flaw? Answer: you don't outgrow a character flaw. So the growing fulminations about George W. Bush's youthful indiscretions strike me as hilarious. Did Dubya drink a lot and party hard? By his own admission, yes. Does he still? He says he's quit drinking altogether; anyone who has evidence to the contrary will find their information welcome, believe it or not, at that bastion of Clinton-Gore apologism, The American Spectator. Did Dubya indulge in the chemical vices of the Sixties and Seventies? He won't say, although Big Media insists on posing the question repeatedly in the complete absence of any probable cause. Again, if there's evidence that he did, there are outlets ready, willing and able to publish it -- but the real question is whether any such indulgence, if it occurred, is still going on. And any evidence that it is, would and should make front-page headlines in the nation's most self-important metropolitan dailies. I suspect that what we're seeing is the result of Vice President Albert Gore's hiring of former Congressman Tony "Sleaze Factor" Coelho to help run his presidential campaign. The Veep's campaign people are scared manure-less of Dubya Bush. Gore faces the baggage of having been an ardent and loyal stooge to the Presidents Clinton -- thus the presidential character flaws that have marred the last seven years threaten to deny Gore not only the White House but possibly also the Democratic nomination. It cannot be denied that by establishing a perception of moral equivalence between Bush the Younger and Bill the Juvenile, Gore could at least partly neutralize his inherited negatives and may be able to improve his chances in the upcoming primary season, and leave him in a strong position for the fall campaign. As for the Bush camp's response to it all, I'm left reflecting that the candidate is the first Texas governor in God-only-knows-how-long to win a second term. That suggests a political adroitness that the GOP hasn't seen since, well, Ronald Reagan. It was Reagan who in 1980 blindsided Bush the Elder in New Hampshire at what the latter allegedly understood was to be a two-candidate debate; when the other Republican hopefuls arrived, Bush the Elder tried to put a stop to the proceedings and had the sound system cut off. Reagan barked (loudly enough to be caught by the press), "I'm paying for this microphone!" He trounced Bush in the primary, won the nomination, and went on to become President while Bush the Elder settled for Veep. And four years later, after a poor performance in a presidential debate with Walter Mondale (after which Tony "Sleaze Factor" Coelho chortled to the press about Reagan's age), old Ron finessed the age issue in the next debate by joking about Mondale's youth and inexperience. I'll say this for Mondale: he had the grace to appreciate the joke and join in the laughter, even though he had to know that his hopes of winning the presidency had just gone down in flames. Not that George W. Bush is necessarily the equal of Reagan. But... It was Bush the Younger himself who began all this interest in his supposedly scandalous past. It would be hugely Machiavellian for a public figure to deliberately encourage speculation of this sort, and refuse to deny anything, just so that in the end the press has to admit they could find nothing worth reporting. We on what Big Media is pleased to refer to as "The Right" have had no problem believing that the Clinton-Gore bunch is capable of playing spin games for their political advantage -- indeed that is practically all that they ever do. But when the candidate is a Republican, some among us prefer to believe that he's stupid, out of control, and/or just plain sleazy. I will say this: when his Republican target is even modestly intelligent, Tony "Sleaze Factor" Coelho has a history of playing right into the target's hands. Time will tell whether Dubya will burn him the way Reagan did. If he does, I will laugh louder and longer than I have since 1984. - -30- August 16, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mcgeheezone.com/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. ================================================================ Sponsored in part by The Freedom Bookstore http://www.mcgeheezone.com/capitalism/freedombooks.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 13:32:51 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 8/16 (fwd) On Aug 16, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:26 AM Subject: EIA Communique - 8/16 The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 - August 16, 1999 Now on the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia + All across the state of California, unions and districts are thrashing= out the issue of peer review in contract negotiations. Peer review -- having teachers monitor and assist fellow teachers -- is a key part of National Education Association President Bob Chase's new unionism agenda. "The goa= l of peer review is to help people succeed," Chase said. "But it could also sp= eed up the process of dismissing a teacher who is not successful. As a union = we are committed to insuring the quality of our nation's schools. We know th= at it sometimes takes five or six years to get rid of a teacher, and that is= too long." Peer review won the backing of California Gov. Gray Davis. While feel= ings within the California Teachers Association were definitely mixed, Davis' initiative passed the state legislature. Major details of peer review programs are left to the collective bargaining process, but the state wil= l pick up much of the tab. Many hours will be spent discussing the issue, b= ut it is unlikely that the name of Ivy Featherstone will enter any of these conversations. And since his case has finally reached its end, EIA takes = this opportunity to recount the story of the man who should be peer review's poster child. Featherstone had been a teacher in the Columbus Public Schools for 25 years. His last assignment was at Indianola Middle School, where he supervised students sent to detention. In 1992, Featherstone was placed i= n the Columbus Education Association's Peer Assistance and Review program. School administrators had often observed him reading the paper during cla= ss, his students asleep, his shoes off and his feet up on his desk. Featherst= one spent two years in the PAR program, receiving 75 classroom visits and 29 conferences. In 1994, his evaluator recommended a "negative release." In 1995, his case took up 16 days of hearings, resulting in a finding of gro= ss inefficiency. Featherstone was suspended without pay. That year, he filed= a federal lawsuit, claiming he was discriminated against because he is blac= k. Now, seven years after being placed in the program and five years aft= er his negative release, Featherstone's case has at last petered out. A fede= ral judge ruled that the school board's decision was entitled to a "preclusiv= e effect," since it is subject to judicial review by a state appellate cour= t -- a route Featherstone did not take. This effectively ends his federal civi= l rights suit. Peer review seems best suited to bad teachers who still have a conscience. These teachers can be persuaded to improve or, at worst, can = be persuaded to voluntarily move on. The Featherstone case illustrates that, even with peer review, the system is still at the mercy at bad teachers without a conscience. + Another collective bargaining-related issue is being bandied about in education circles. The discussion was inspired by American Federation of Teachers President Sandra Feldman. Feldman's idea sounded very much like Chase's new unionism. But, as is often the case when union officials offe= r up new policies, different audiences heard very different things. "Recently, AFT President Sandra Feldman proposed freeing schools from hiring restrictions -- unions traditionally insist that teachers with the most seniority get first dibs on jobs -- and empowering them to make personnel, financial, and curriculum decisions on their own," wrote a supportive Ronald A. Wolk in the August-September issue of Teacher Magazi= ne. "She urged teachers to take a bigger role in determining how 'schools are organized, run, and staffed,' and she called on them to negotiate new kin= ds of contracts 'to meet the higher standards expected on students and teachers.' Our schools would be very different places if teachers heeded Feldman." Some local union officials are worried about that very thing. Morty Rosenfeld, president of the Plainview-Old Bethpage Congress of Teachers a= nd a member of the board of directors of NEA New York, criticized Feldman for "weakening whatever is left of our movement." Rosenfeld fears this leads = down the road to collaboration with management. "This is her take, I suppose, = on the new unionism in which a well intentioned management works with union members cooperatively, sharing power and responsibility," he wrote. "Twen= ty years ago, if management had made such a demand, it would have been a str= ike issue for some of us. Today, it is put forth by the president of the AFT. What has happened to our movement? We are both worth and capable of more.= Why do our national leaders not think that we are up to the challenge?" + The past two weeks EIA has reported on union recruiting methods in Tex= as. Apparently TSTA has high hopes for its campaign to slash dues in half for= new members. TSTA President (and Texas state legislator) Ignacio Salinas Jr. challenged local presidents to boost membership by 20,000 in the year 200= 0. That would be a heck of an accomplishment, since it would mean a 40 perce= nt hike in membership in one year. Since that's unlikely, are there other lo= cal mergers in the works? Or has Salinas got a state merger plan up his sleev= e? + The University of Alaska at Anchorage is offering one Continuing Professional Development graduate credit (for $59) to teachers who attend NEA-Alaska's fall event September 17-19 at the Hilton Anchorage Hotel. Mo= st teacher contracts have a salary scale with pay raises for teachers who accumulate such credits. What professional development training will teac= hers receive? Well, they can choose from six "training stands": Communicating = the Association's Message; Creating Safer Schools in Alaska; Basic Rights; Recruit-Retain-Reclaim; Basic Bargaining Law & Skills; and New Education Initiatives. Other workshops include: Communicating the ESPs Message; Advocates' Role in Plans of Improvement; Understanding & Combating Racism= in Schools; and Treasurers' Training (for local union treasurers). + Staff movements. NEA staffer Mary Ann Blankenship has been named assis= tant executive director for program services for the Tennessee Education Association. Former NEA staffer Pam Fielding has launched "e-advocates," = a private Internet advocacy consulting firm in Fairfax, Virginia. Fielding = is credited with putting together NEA's cyber-advocacy program. + Quote of the Week: "The research-to-practice pipeline, according to scholars and educators, has sprung many leaks. Governments and foundation= s don't spend enough on research, or they support the wrong kind. Scholars eschew research that shows what works in most schools in favor of studies that observe student behavior and teaching techniques in a classroom or t= wo. They employ weak research methods, write turgid prose, and issue contradictory findings. Educators and policy makers are not trained to separate good research from bad, or they resist findings that challenge cherished beliefs about learning. As a result, education reform is often shaped by political whim and pedagogic fashion." -- D.W. Miller, "The bla= ck hole of education research," Chronicle of Higher Education, August 6, 199= 9. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. = Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 20:23:47 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: August Recess A Critical Time (fwd) On Aug 16, Bill Phillips wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] GOA Alone Is Fighting To Kill All Anti-Gun Measures -- your contacts this month are the only thing that will stop the gun grabbers Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org The NRA, duplicating the approach it employed during the gun debates in June, will not oppose new trigger locks or a ban on the possession of assault weapons by most people under the age of 18. -- Roll Call, Aug. 12, 1999 (Monday, August 16, 1999) -- For several months now, GOA has been fighting the so-called "Juvenile Justice" legislation, as currently embodied in S. 254. The bill is in a joint House-Senate conference committee-- despite the efforts of Diane Feinstein (D-CA) and her ilk to blast it out earlier this month, S. 254 will remain there until Congress reconvenes in September. It is during this traditional August recess that the fate of gun control in the 106th Congress will likely be decided. Legislators are back in their districts, scheduling town meetings, and interacting with constituents. It is absolutely imperative that gun owners contact their Representative and Senators this month. Consider that Roll Call (the newspaper of record covering Washington political activity) had the following to say about lobbying efforts regarding the Juvenile Justice legislation: The NRA... has been too quick to compromise and too slow to mobilize its troops to defeat anti-gun legislation in the House and the Senate, GOP leadership sources and gun activists say.... "Gun Owners [of America] is much smaller, but much more active. They moved quickly and we heard from their people," said one leadership source close to the issue. No-compromise Is The Key To Victory. Sen. Bob Smith (I-NH) showed last year that we do not have to succumb to defeatism on the eve of a battle. Smith was told that there were only 40 votes in support of his proposal to cut off FBI funding for their registration of Brady Instant Check gun buyers. When the smoke cleared, Smith got 69 votes. From "no way will this pass" to a veto-proof majority, the Smith amendment proved that the People, not the vote-counting insiders, determine the fate of legislation in America. Preemptive Concessions Are Not Only Wrong, They Can Backfire. Another telling quote from the Roll Call article shows what happens when gun owners give up without fighting: The [NRA]... is willing to allow several provisions, such as the so-called Juvenile Brady proposal, to sail through, according to its top lobbyist, James Baker. Baker's strategy, which reflects a belief inside the NRA that some gun control measures will pass in the wake of recent shooting sprees, has ticked off many pro-gun Members and activists who deplore any talk of a compromise.... Another senior GOP leadership source added: "They have told us all along that it would be fine to support Juvenile Brady and other proposals and their membership would not care. But they did [care], and [Republican leaders] are not happy about that." Here's What To Do. Make certain that you contact your Members of Congress while they are home on break. You can get their home office phone numbers from the government pages of your phone book, or call the Capitol toll-free at 1-888-449-3511 and request them. It is specifically asked that you do not use e-mail as a contact method this month. This is a time to directly confront legislators. Ask the local office if there are any town meetings scheduled. If so, be sure to attend and make gun rights a central part of the discussion. Have a friend seated away from you to "follow up" on your point when the politician tries to duck your question. And above all, spread the word. Get other pro-gun friends and family to make calls as well. The message is simple: THERE IS NO GUN CONTROL THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. ************** Cheaper Than Dirt donates a percentage of your total order to GOA if you use http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/goa.htm to enter their online store. ************** Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to date information, please consider subscribing to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network directly. There is no cost or obligation, and the volume of mail is quite low. To subscribe, simply send a message to goamail@gunowners.org and include the state in which you live, in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 13:04:52 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Microsoft Y2K Patch (fwd) On Aug 17, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Those of you with Windows 98 and Internet Explorer 5 may already know by now that Microsoft has just released a critical update for Windows 98, a patch to cover any Y2K issues your operating system might still have. If you didn't get the critical update notification automatically when you went online, open your IE5 browser, click Tools, and select Windows Update. Those using an earlier browser without this feature -- or Netscape -- should be able to find the patch by visiting http://www.microsoft.com/Windows98/downloads/contents/WUCritical/y2k2/Default.as p. For Windows 95, go to: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows95/downloads/contents/WURecommended/S_WUFeatured /win95y2k/Default.asp (You may have to copy-and-paste this URL into your browser window, especially if your e-mail splits the URL into two lines. There's been an e-mail going around claiming that you can make your Windows 95 or Windows 98 Y2K ready simply changing your Regional Settings through Control Panel. THIS IS UNTRUE. Regional Settings has to do ONLY with how things are DISPLAYED, and does not have anything to do with how the machine itself, or the operating system, perceive the Year 2000. Even if you have altered your Regional Settings YOU STILL MAY NOT BE Y2K READY. Kevin McGehee Alaska to Atlanta (9/99) mail@mcgeheezone.com http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 13:53:23 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: P&G and it's Christian views (fwd) On Aug 17, Ree Mayler wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I wonder if any of the small arms mfr's have similar views Start of FWDed MSG: It's strange how sometimes we SAY we want to live as full a Christian life as possible...but we have that ONE product that we THINK we just cannot live without.Is there something on this list that you THINK you can't live without? It would be hard to boycott every product in the world that profits Satan, but I think I will give this a whirl.I saw out takes from this show on a Dateline special and was absolutely shocked to hear some of the things this man said.He did actually give praise, glory and honor to Satan for profiting him in his business.He also said that Chrisianity is "on it's way out because Chrisitans are waking up and realizing that their God is not the loving and giving God they have come to believe him to be".If I can keep one penny from this man...I will do so.I sincerely hope ya'll will TRY to do the same. I thought ya'll would like to know. Lori:-) READ ON :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: The President of Procter & Gamble appeared on the Sally Jesse Raphael Show on March 1, 1999. He announced that "due to the openness of our society",he was coming out of the closet about his association with the church ofSatan. He stated that a large portion of his profits from Procter & Gamble products goes to support this satanic church. (ed. note: didn't see the show but I wonder if he said WHICH church) When asked by Sally Jesse if stating this on t.v.would hurt his business, he replied, "THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CHRISTIANS IN THE UNITED STATES TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE." Product list includes: Cleaning supplies: Bold, Cascade, Cheer, Joy, Comet, Dash, Spic & Span, Tide, Top Job, Oxidol, Ivory Dreft, Gain, Mr.Clean, Lest Oil, BountyTowels Food: Duncan Hines, Fisher Nuts, Fisher Mints, Dehydrated Fruits Coffee: Folgers, High Point, Shortening Oils:Crisco, Puritan, Fluffo Deodorants: Secret, Sure Diapers: Luvs, Pampers Hair Care: Lilt, Head & Shoulders,Prell, Pert, Vidal Sassoon, Ivory Acne Product: Clearasil Mouthwash/Toothpaste: Scope, Crest, Gleem Peanut Butter: JIF Personal Hygiene: Always, Attend Undergarments Lotions: Oil of Olay, Wondra Soap: Camay, Coast,Ivory, Lava, Safeguard, Zest, Oil of Olay Fabric Softener: Downy, BounceCitrus Punch: Sunny Delight Medication: Aleve, Pepto-Bismol If you are not sure about a product, look for Procter & Gamble written on the products or the symbol of a ram's horn, which will appear on each product beginning on January 1, 2000. The ram's horn will form the 666, which is known as Satan's number. Christians should remember that if they purchase any of these products,they will be contributing to the church of Satan. Inform other Christians about this and STOP buying Procter & Gamble Products. Let's show Procter & Gamble that there are enough Christians to make a difference.On a previous Jenny Jones Show, the owner of Procter & Gamble said that if Satan would prosper him, he would give his heart and soul to him.Then he gave Satan credit for his riches. Anyone interested in seeing this tape, should send $3.00 to: SALLY TRANSCRIPTS 515 WEST 57TH STREET NEW YORK, NY 10019 WE URGE YOU TO MAKE COPIES OF THIS AND PASS IT ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE; THIS NEEDS TO STOP.LIZ CLAIRBORNE ALSO PROFESSES TO WORSHIP SATAN AND RECENTLY OPENLY ADMITTED ON THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW THAT HALF OF HER PROFITS GOES TOWARD THE CHURCH OF SATAN. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 13:54:08 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Poll for TODAY only (fwd) On Aug 17, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Fwod from another list: Hit 'em hard and hit 'em fast, poll for today (8/17/99) only on whether or not you agree with Reno on guns! http://www.newsindex.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 13:55:01 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: Sun Rising or Sun Setting? (fwd) On Aug 17, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Norm Olson wrote: > Last night, late Christine called to say that after much prayer > with her husband, they have decided to go it alone without the > militia's help. > I asked her to go to her husband and wait yet another night for > a certain answer. This morning at 0800hrs, she faxed me this > letter: > > Dear Norm: > > We want to thank you for your support and help in getting > the public aware of the serious problem here on Bois Blanc > Island. We feel that what needed to be accomplished, has. > We want God's hand to be the deliverer and now humbly ask > Norm Olson and the Militia to bow out. > > God has provided us with the media tool through Norm, > now God will use those tools that He feels will be of the > greatest help. > > We know that God will work in the hearts of the thousands > of people Norm has awakened to our fight. > > We trust the Lord to stir in those hearts and use who He feels > can accomplish His will. > > Words cannot express our gratitude for what Norm has > done through God's will thus far. > > Thank You and God Bless. > > (Signed) Mike & Chris Stitt > > The decision that Mike and Chris came to is sovereign, made > by a husband and wife, the father and mother of the children > entrusted to them by God. I will not countermand or interfer > in their decision to relieve the militia of further involvement. > This is what they've chosen for themselves. Although I may > not agree with their decision, I WILL NOT QUESTION IT. > > As of this time, 0900hrs, August 17, 1999, all militia units > everywhere are relieved of further action concerning the Stitt > family and may stand down. > > We will continue to monitor this situation, but as indicated > in the letter above, the militia has been asked to bow and > exit. > > To every militia member and patriot in America, I say thanks > for your work and time. This is not the outcome I had planned > for. As a military man, I had planned for the worst. As a > Pastor and a believer, I prayed for the best. Only time will > tell whether the sun is rising or setting. > > As Commander of the Northern Michigan Regional Militia > I want to express my thanks to all militia and patriots everywhere > for their support. > > In this matter, you may stack your rifles and smoke em' if > you got em' . . . > > We will await the next bugle call! > > Norman Olson, Commander > Northern Michigan Regional Militia > > To all stations everywhere. Please direct further questions > to Christine Stitt at 231-634-7030. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:51 -0700 From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: HOAX ALERT P&G and it's Christian views (fwd) This is a HOAX, and has been a HOAX that has been circulating in more or less the same guise since 1980. A "from" addressee of "Ree Mayler" (remailer) should be a dead giveaway. Go to http://www.urbanlegends.com, search on "Proctor", check it out. This stuff is just flat-out lies. And even if it weren't, what does it have to do with "Restoring Our Constitution" anyway? - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Vance To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 2:08 PM Subject: P&G and it's Christian views (fwd) >On Aug 17, Ree Mayler wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >I wonder if any of the small arms mfr's have similar views > >Start of FWDed MSG: >It's strange how sometimes we SAY we want to live as full a Christian life >as possible...but we have that ONE product that we THINK we just cannot live >without.Is there something on this list that you THINK you can't live >without? > >It would be hard to boycott every product in the world that profits Satan, >but I think I will give this a whirl.I saw out takes from this show on a >Dateline special and was absolutely shocked to hear some of the things this >man said.He did actually give praise, glory and honor to Satan for profiting >him in his business.He also said that Chrisianity is "on it's way out >because Chrisitans are waking up and realizing that their God is not the >loving and giving God they have come to believe him to be".If I can keep one >penny from this man...I will do so.I sincerely hope ya'll will TRY to do the >same. > >I thought ya'll would like to know. >Lori:-) >READ ON :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > >The President of Procter & Gamble appeared on the Sally Jesse >Raphael Show on >March 1, 1999. He announced that "due to the openness of our >society",he was coming out of the closet about his association with the >church ofSatan. >He stated that a large portion of his profits from Procter & Gamble products >goes to support this satanic church. >(ed. note: didn't see the show but I wonder if he said WHICH church) >When asked by Sally Jesse if stating this on t.v.would hurt his business, he >replied, "THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CHRISTIANS IN THE UNITED STATES TO MAKE A >DIFFERENCE." > >Product list includes: > >Cleaning supplies: Bold, Cascade, Cheer, Joy, Comet, Dash, Spic & Span, >Tide, Top Job, Oxidol, Ivory Dreft, Gain, Mr.Clean, Lest Oil, BountyTowels >Food: Duncan Hines, Fisher Nuts, Fisher Mints, Dehydrated Fruits >Coffee: Folgers, High Point, >Shortening Oils:Crisco, Puritan, Fluffo >Deodorants: Secret, Sure >Diapers: Luvs, Pampers >Hair Care: Lilt, Head & Shoulders,Prell, Pert, Vidal Sassoon, Ivory >Acne Product: Clearasil >Mouthwash/Toothpaste: Scope, Crest, Gleem >Peanut Butter: JIF >Personal Hygiene: Always, Attend Undergarments >Lotions: Oil of Olay, Wondra Soap: Camay, Coast,Ivory, Lava, Safeguard, >Zest, Oil of Olay Fabric Softener: Downy, BounceCitrus >Punch: Sunny Delight >Medication: Aleve, Pepto-Bismol > >If you are not sure about a product, look for Procter & Gamble written on >the products or the symbol of a ram's horn, which will appear on each >product beginning on January 1, 2000. The ram's horn will form the 666, >which is known as Satan's >number. >Christians should remember that if they purchase any of these products,they >will be contributing to the church of Satan. Inform other Christians about >this and STOP buying Procter & Gamble Products. Let's show Procter & Gamble >that there are enough Christians to make a difference.On a previous Jenny >Jones Show, the owner of Procter & Gamble said that if Satan would prosper >him, he would give his heart and soul to him.Then he gave Satan credit for >his riches. > >Anyone interested in seeing this tape, should send $3.00 to: >SALLY TRANSCRIPTS >515 WEST 57TH STREET >NEW YORK, NY 10019 > >WE URGE YOU TO MAKE COPIES OF THIS AND PASS IT ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS >POSSIBLE; THIS NEEDS TO STOP.LIZ CLAIRBORNE ALSO PROFESSES TO WORSHIP SATAN >AND RECENTLY OPENLY ADMITTED ON THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW THAT HALF OF HER >PROFITS GOES TOWARD THE CHURCH OF SATAN. >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - - >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - - > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 15:49:27 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: HOAX ALERT P&G and it's Christian views (fwd) On Aug 17, Harry E. Barnett wrote: >This is a HOAX, and has been a HOAX that has been circulating in more or >less the same guise since 1980. Sorry 'bout that, never seen this one before. >A "from" addressee of "Ree Mayler" (remailer) should be a dead giveaway. > >Go to http://www.urbanlegends.com, search on "Proctor", check it out. > >This stuff is just flat-out lies. > >And even if it weren't, what does it have to do with "Restoring Our >Constitution" anyway? Well, the U.S. is at base, a Christian Country, with a whole lot of our Gov. and Institutions being Biblically based. I figured it for just another attack on our society in general. - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #271 *************************