From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #309 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, January 14 2000 Volume 02 : Number 309 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:56:50 -0600 (CST) From: Paul M Watson Subject: FL800: Sanders Series Part I (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:19:25 -0500 From: Ian Goddard To: igoddard@erols.com Subject: FL800: Sanders Series Part I The major media has tried to frame private investigative journalists such as James Sanders and myself as having invented the story that the military was involved in the crash of TWA Flight 800. That sham is exposed by the fact that the first reports of a possible connection to the military came from the major media itself. As Chris Bury said only hours after the crash on Nightline (7/17/96): "The U.S. Coast Guard tells Nightline that about 8:30 tonight, a New York State Air National Guard C-130 was performing some kind of pyrotechnic exercise, perhaps setting off flares, off the southern shore of Long Island..." [The time of the crash was 8:31 PM.] Bury then reported that calls came in right away of "flares" being fired and he hypothesized a connection between witness accounts of flares and the activities of the C-130, saying: "At about 8:30 tonight they got numerous calls both from boaters and from people on Long Island of perhaps flares going off from this C-130." [It turned out that the flares eyewitnesses observed were shooting upwards, such as revealed in an account given on Nightline that night: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/forgot01.htm ] ABC anchor Chris Bury then committed perhaps the last act of investigative inquiry by the major media in the Flight 800 case when he questioned: "Did the C-130 have anything to do with tonight's crash?" The official answer was "no," and a few days later the stated location of the C-130, along with that of other military assets, was changed from having been close to the crash to having been further away and not involved in any kind of "pyrotechnic exercise." The Coast Guard's report on Nightline was then forgotten. At the FBI's final Flight 800 press conference (11/17/97) a reporter observed: "Within 24 hours of this disaster there were stories of military friendly fire circulating; they were not stories that happened later." Even as the major media knows that, they consistently frame friendly- fire theories as a hoax created later by individuals like James Sanders and myself. The major media have made no real effort to challenge the government; they have instead bent over backwards to defend the government and inflict catastrophic injury upon private individuals who display the rare courage to challenge the government. Perhaps the most injured individual has been James Sanders, who was financially wiped out while unsuccessfully defending his right to engage in time-honored investigative journalism after his inside source removed small pieces of evidence to (http://Flight800.org/res1.html) be subjected to independent testing. Sanders even gave CBS some of the material so that they too could test it, but they obediently returned it to the FBI without testing it or telling their viewers about it. The following is the first part of a series on James Sanders, who has paid a high price for speaking out: ================== NEWSMAX.COM =================== ================================================== http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/1/11/32922 ================================================== TWA 800: 'Obstruction of Justice Was Ongoing' January 11, 2000 First in a NewsMax.com exclusive series of installments based on James D. Sanders' book "Altered Evidence," exposing the government's tampering with evidence, cover-up and misleading the public in the crash of TWA Flight 800. It has it all: political villains, a lawless "Justice" Department and government shills masquerading as major media journalists. Two hundred thirty-five years ago John Adams warned that "Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right . . . and a desire to know; but besides this, they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean of the characters and conduct of their rulers." The Clinton administration began its shameful march through the 1990s by framing Billy Dale, longtime head of the White House Travel Office. The FBI enthusiastically joined in the mandated witch hunt to use the awesome power entrusted by "We The People" to the government in a shameless effort to frame and destroy Dale. Simultaneously, the Justice Department engaged in a sordid affair now simply known as "Waco," and the cover-up of the death of Vince Foster soon followed. Bimbo eruptions saw White House harassment, intimidation and vilification of a multitude of women. Every step of the way, major media's first reaction has been to help the Clinton administration destroy the messenger. Reluctantly, grudgingly, major media have occasionally engaged in timid, superficial coverage of the immoral/unethical/criminal act of the moment. But never, ever have major media sallied forth when the end result could be the destruction of the Clinton administration. "Altered Evidence" gives the reader an inside view of what happens in America today when a journalist takes on a hopelessly corrupt government. The introduction to "Altered Evidence" by James Sanders follows. * * * I'm a retired police officer and investigative journalist. For almost 15 years I have used the skills learned on the job in Southern California law enforcement to investigate wrongdoing within the federal government. This is my fourth book related to the subject. On July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800, a Boeing 747 with 230 passengers and crew, crashed less than 10 miles south of Long Island. All on board died. During the first hours after the crash, the airwaves were filled with eyewitness accounts of a missile streaking up into the air and a plane falling from the sky. Within two months the New York Times was carrying Flight 800 stories that sounded more like FBI propaganda than journalism. And NBC Evening News became the preferred method by which the National Transportation Safety Board began to spin a story around a mysterious mechanical event that may have been the cause of it all. Reporters began to tell me stories that questioned the official government line, intimating that it had been spiked. Stories about Navy divers removing highly sensitive debris from the ocean floor within 48 hours after the crash; about military officers admitting off the record that a major "screw-up" had caused the crash; that Navy sources were talking of a large concentration of Navy ships south of Long Island, the launch of a drone and "friendly fire." I eventually developed sources within the government and the Flight 800 investigation. A stream of documents -- and forensic evidence -- became available establishing beyond a doubt that obstruction of justice was ongoing at the senior-most levels of those government agencies that controlled the investigation. I wrote a book entitled "The Downing of TWA Flight 800." Released in April 1997, it provided the American public with a view of the TWA Flight 800 investigation never before revealed. Next: Missile Evidence Doesn't Lie [ FULL INTRO: http://altered-evidence.com/ch1.doc ] You may order your copy of James D. Sanders' book "Altered Evidence" from NewsMax.com's Book Store. http://www.newsmax.com/cgi-bin/store/store.cgi?db_id=87&cart_id=5920453.2539 For more on TWA Flight 800, visit Hot Topics. http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/12/19/90358 ================================================== http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/1/11/32922 ================================================== - ------------------------------------------------------------ GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ____________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 00 22:25:00 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] VIN: Jan. 12 column -- John Rocker (fwd) On Jan 12, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 12, 2000 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Baseball player a bigoted loudmouth -- not a nut case In their little 1972 book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy," Gary Allen and Larry Abraham provided readers with 14 "signposts to slavery" -- significant events to watch for, as indicators that even a free country might be moving gradually toward totalitarianism -- a list initially compiled by Dr. Warren Carroll, a refugee from Yugoslavian communism. Nothing on the list had been made law in America at the time, and many readers thought it absurd that the authors felt the need to warn Americans to watch out for restrictions on setting up bank accounts or taking money out of the country; abolition of private ownership of handguns; requirements that private financial transactions be keyed to Social Security numbers so records can be fed into government computers; compulsory non-military service; compulsory registration with the government of where individuals work; attempts to restrict freedom of movement within the United States; any attempt to make major new laws by executive decree, and so forth. Of course, some folks -- the kind who insist "fascism" can't exist unless the police don a specific type of black suit bedecked with silver skulls and lightning slashes, the kind who insist it's not an "internal passport" as long as they label it "Driver's License" -- will still shrug and ask what's the problem. So it's getting a bit difficult to open a bank account or land a job without giving one's Social Security number -- which Congress once swore would never become a "national ID." Times change, don't they? Society is more complex now. It's all for our protection and that of our credit ratings. Right? Buried among Dr. Carroll's 14 warnings was another that must have seemed pretty obscure and far-fetched in 1972: Americans were advised to watch out for "compulsory psychological treatment for non-government workers or public schoolchildren." In fact, when Time magazine went to examine a typical, suburban public high school for a cover story last fall, they found 20 percent of the children dosed up on officially prescribed psychoactive drugs -- the very kind which had been in use by Oregon school shooter Kip Kinkel and by one of the two lads who shot up Columbine High School in Colorado last year. And now even readers of the sports pages are coming face to face with this newfangled psychiatric orthodoxy -- the notion that the proper solution to any tasteless or offensive behavior is to "medicalize" the problem. Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker -- described by team president Stan Kasten as having "a history of good relationships with players of different races and different ethnic backgrounds," spoke recently to a reporter for Sports Illustrated, explaining on the record (and now he knows what (start ital)that(end ital) means, doesn't he?) why he would prefer not to play for a New York-based team. In colorful language, Rocker visualized having to ride to work on a New York subway, seated "next to some queer with AIDS." He also complained that New York contains too many immigrants who have not mastered English, asking "How the hell did they get in this country?" Rocker proceeded to make disparaging remarks about Asian-American drivers, and even managed to refer to a black teammate as "a fat monkey." At least he's thorough. Mr. Rocker appears to be a stupid oaf. Readers have every right to take exception to his bigoted comments. If his team believes he has brought them disrepute which could hurt ticket sales, they may of course examine his contract for options involving discipline or even dismissal. But instead -- even though Mr. Rocker has apologized and expressed remorse -- team president Kasten and Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig announced last Thursday the pitcher will be ordered to undergo a series of psychological tests before his final punishment is announced. What? As much as the catalog of recognized psychiatric maladies has been creatively expanded in recent years, I was unaware that "being a big, stupid loudmouth" is now a treatable medical diagnosis. Again, this kind of mouthing off is the mark of a boorish lout. Mr. Rocker may well have damaged the likelihood he will ever be retained as a network "color commentator" (though parallel opportunities could well open up in professional wrestling ...) But no matter how "politically incorrect" his method of expression, this pea-brained athlete has done nothing more than raise important issues of current political debate -- immigration, welfare, tolerance of previously closeted lifestyles -- in terms which most of his fans have doubtless heard a hundred times in workplace or tavern. Just as in the case of entertainers who "push the envelope" of propriety in part to get us to re-examine our own prejudices -- Lenny Bruce and Andrew Dice Clay come to mind -- Americans can always refrain from paying to hear such stuff. But once we start "curing" politically incorrect speech by locking away the perpetrators in anonymous psychiatric wards, or dosing them up on happy pills ... we really will have passed another "signpost to slavery." Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. 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Click here for a chance to win a digital camera. http://click.egroups.com/1/337/4/_/4501/_/947736756/ - -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault - -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/slickplus/?m=1 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 00 11:07:39 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Christian TV and the FCC (fwd) On Jan 13, BaBette Z. Bechtold wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Curler7@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:06:41 EST Subject: Christian TV and the FCC I received this from a friend.......Mary Ladies, Earlier today I wrote you about the FCC trying to silence Christian Broadcasting and someone said that it was a hoax. It is Not a hoax. I just heard on TBN, Paul Crouch on His behind the seines program verified what I told you today. This is a fact. The FCC is trying to dictate Christian broadcasting. They are trying to keep the stations from giving the invitation to be saved to the public plus so much more. I repeat This is not a hoax and TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) has verified that this is indeed what the FCC is up to. So I implore you to call or write your State Rep., Your State Senator, and your congressman as soon as possible and protest what is happening. Urge them to over rule the FCC's decision to silence Christian broadcasting. Carroll;~( This is very true Mary. I wrote them earlier today and expressed my concerns after seeing the story on the Fox News. I would encourage everyone to write. How to Contact the FCC <<bkennard@fcc.gov sness@fcc.gov hfurchtg@fcc.gov mpowell@fcc.gov gtristan@fcc.gov ^^^^^^ These are the addresses of people at the helm of the FCC. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 00 09:18:15 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd) On Jan 14, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It's happening. The people are fed up. Little by little, with=20 accelerating frequency, citizens are acting to restore=20 constitutional government. Please consider taking a group of citizens to present this message=20 to your county sheriff and discussing the implications with him. Bill Utterback - ----- From: ToBFree40@aol.com WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his prior approval. "If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or retain them in custody." The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating that, "Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official." The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts. Sheriff Mattis stated, "I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional law." This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and specifically prohibited to the States. Case Notes: Case: Castaneda v. USA Filed: 10th May 1996 Closed: 29th April 1997 Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper Nature of Suit: Civil Rights ******************************************************************* A few times a week, on average, I forward messages that I=20 consider to be worthwhile. Occasionally I may be inspired to=20 write a brief editorial. If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message=20 with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field. If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field. for Liberty (for all), Bill Utterback BUtterb@connecti.com - ----- "We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long=20 as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the=20 attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to=20 public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and=20 governors would all become wolves." Thomas Jefferson "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." Samuel Adams "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from=20 falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the=20 Government from falling into error." U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. 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Ref: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:32:36 -0800 From: "." Subject: Re: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd) Can anyone get me a copy of the full opinion (and even the briefing, if possible)? This would be invaluable to my research. Send it to my box at 539 SE 38th, PMB 711, Portland, OR 97214 Thanks. Paul www.portlandporcupine.com - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Vance To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:01 AM Subject: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd) >On Jan 14, Bill Utterback wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >It's happening. The people are fed up. Little by little, with=20 >accelerating frequency, citizens are acting to restore=20 >constitutional government. > >Please consider taking a group of citizens to present this message=20 >to your county sheriff and discussing the implications with him. > >Bill Utterback > > >----- > >From: ToBFree40@aol.com > >WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS > >County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law >enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must >clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's >Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District >Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave >Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his >county without his prior approval. > >"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the >constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or >retain them in custody." > >The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the >Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and >the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the >protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming >Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating >that, > >"Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county >is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law >enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal >official." > >The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify >that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit >the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm >owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies >immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of >private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts. >Sheriff Mattis stated, > >"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to >deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their >property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more >sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens >from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other >federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional >law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn >County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional >law." > >This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the >United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political >subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the >amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of >those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to >the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and >specifically prohibited to the States. > >Case Notes: > >Case: Castaneda v. USA > >Filed: 10th May 1996 > >Closed: 29th April 1997 > >Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper > >Nature of Suit: Civil Rights > > >******************************************************************* > >A few times a week, on average, I forward messages that I=20 >consider to be worthwhile. Occasionally I may be inspired to=20 >write a brief editorial. > >If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message=20 >with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field. > >If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a >message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field. > >for Liberty (for all), >Bill Utterback >BUtterb@connecti.com > >----- > >"We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long=20 >as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the=20 >attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to=20 >public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and=20 >governors would all become wolves." >Thomas Jefferson > >"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, >tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." >Samuel Adams > >"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from=20 >falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the=20 >Government from falling into error." >U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds, >339 U.S. 382,442 > >----- > >World's Smallest Political Quiz >http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html =20 > >Libertarian Party >http://www.lp.org/ > >Fully Informed Jury Association >http://www.fija.org/ > >Gun Owners of America >http://www.gunowners.org/ > >Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership >http://www.JPFO.org/ > >COPYRIGHT NOTICE-- In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, >any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use >without profit or payment to those who have expressed prior interest >in receiving this information for nonprofit research and educational >purposes only. Ref: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - - >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - - > >- > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 00 12:37:21 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd) Can't help much directly, but a possible route to check would be through www.vote-smart.org. Normally this site is for Legislative matters, but they do shuffle you through to State sites, and once there you might be able to find Legal stuff. Once you have the URL's for the State sites, it might also pay you to back out and go there directly, to see what you might have missed for the original Legislative emphasis. Anyway, that's my best guess at the moment. On Jan 14, . wrote: >Can anyone get me a copy of the full opinion (and even the briefing, if >possible)? This would be invaluable to my research. Send it to my box at 539 >SE 38th, PMB 711, Portland, OR 97214 > >Thanks. > >Paul >www.portlandporcupine.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Vance >To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > >Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:01 AM >Subject: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd) > > >>On Jan 14, Bill Utterback wrote: >> >>[-------------------- text of forwarded message >follows --------------------] >> >>It's happening. The people are fed up. Little by little, with=20 >>accelerating frequency, citizens are acting to restore=20 >>constitutional government. >> >>Please consider taking a group of citizens to present this message=20 >>to your county sheriff and discussing the implications with him. >> >>Bill Utterback >> >> >>----- >> >>From: ToBFree40@aol.com >> >>WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS >> >>County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law >>enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must >>clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's >>Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District >>Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave >>Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his >>county without his prior approval. >> >>"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the >>constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or >>retain them in custody." >> >>The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the >>Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and >>the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the >>protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming >>Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating >>that, >> >>"Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county >>is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law >>enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal >>official." >> >>The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify >>that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit >>the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm >>owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies >>immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of >>private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts. >>Sheriff Mattis stated, >> >>"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to >>deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their >>property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more >>sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens >>from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other >>federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional >>law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn >>County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional >>law." >> >>This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the >>United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political >>subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the >>amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of >>those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to >>the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and >>specifically prohibited to the States. >> >>Case Notes: >> >>Case: Castaneda v. 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