From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #345 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Friday, May 26 2000 Volume 02 : Number 345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 May 00 20:46:43 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] *****APC NEWSWIRE***** (fwd) On May 22, Odell Harwell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To all: I'm sending this to more than one list. If you are on more than one list, you;ll get two posts of this. simply delete one and then read the other. Thanks. Odell - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: *****APC NEWSWIRE***** Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:13:55 -0400 From: dmjohns@aep.com To: val@sos.net *****APC NEWSWIRE***** http://www.americanpolicy.org/ May 19, 2000 Volume 3, Issue 8 A Publication of the American Policy Center Tom DeWeese, President Peyton Knight, Editor 13873 Park Center Road Herndon, VA 20171 703-925-0881 FAX: 703-925-0991 apc@americanpolicy.org ***Bill to Stop Clinton's Illegal Use of Executive Orders Picking Up Steam! Throughout Clinton's reign, he has made it clear that his policy initiatives are urgent, and therefore he needn't worry about consulting the nation's legislative bodies before signing them into law. But all of that may be about to change. Thanks to all your calls blasting Clinton's illegal use of executive orders, H.R. 2655 (The Separation of Powers Restoration Act) has picked up 40 co-sponsors! Congressmen Ron Paul (R-TX) and Jack Metcalf's (R-WA) bill would restore legislative authority to the Congress and prevent President Clinton from dictatorially legislating through use of executive order. Once again, thanks to your calls, H.R. 2655 now has a companion bill in the Senate. S. 1795 (The Executive Orders Limitation Act), put forth by Sen. Michael Crapo (R-RI), is the Senate version of H.R. 2655 and it needs our support! As you can see, your phone calls, letters and emails to your Representatives have been making a huge impact. But the battle is not over yet. Continue to call your Congressmen and urge them to support H.R. 2655 if they are not already doing so. If they are, let them know you stand behind them! IN ADDITION it is vitally important that we now begin pushing the issue in the Senate. Call both of your state's Senators and demand that they co-sponsor S. 1795. The future of our legislative process depends on it! ***ACTION TO TAKE*** 1. Call your Senators and tell them to co-sponsor S. 1795 which would return legislative authority to Congress and halt Clinton's illegal use of executive orders. Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard (202) 224-3121. 2. Continue contacting your Representatives, urging them to support H.R. 2655. We've made so much progress-don't stop now! Capitol Hill House Switchboard (202) 225-3121. *** CARA Passes in the House...But Fight is Far From Over Private property rights advocates and landowners received a major blow last week when the House of Representatives passed H.R. 701, the Conservation and Reinvestment Act (CARA). Apparently, owning half of our nation's land isn't enough for the Federal government. Even a majority of voting Republicans signed on-with only the few reliable property rights champions refusing to buckle. CARA would provide $1 billion a year to the Federal government to force private property owners off their land. Now the Senate must stop this monster cold in its tracks before a single landowner is denied his constitutional rights. President Clinton along with radical groups such as the Sierra Club have been lobbying tirelessly for this land-grabbing piece of legislation. That's why we must counter them with a firestorm of protest. The good news is we're not alone. Thanks to all our previous calls, letters and emails, a strong alliance of Senators is sitting poised, ready to kill this bill. But without continued action from our side those Senators could be rolled by the massive war chest of CARA supporters. S.25 (CARA) is due for a hearing in the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on May 24th. It will then be voted on in the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee on June 14th. There is a good chance CARA will be defeated, BUT ONLY IF WE CONTINUE TO FIGHT! Call, write and email your Senators. This one's far from over! ***ACTION TO TAKE*** 1. Call your Senators and let them know you're adamantly opposed to S. 25. Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard (202) 224-3121. 2. Call Chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Sen. Robert Smith (202-224-2841) and voice your opposition. 3. Call Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Sen. Frank Murkowski (202-224-6665) and voice your opposition. *** Ritalin Manufacturer Facing Lawsuits and Congressional Action The battle to stop the drugging of hundreds of thousands of our nation's children received a huge boost recently. American lawyers have filed a lawsuit against Novartis, the 30 billion dollar Swiss pharmaceutical company that manufactures the mind-altering drug. The suit cites the growing number of children who have developed cardio-vascular and nervous system problems as a result of Ritalin use. Ritalin is generally prescribed to treat the condition the psych industry calls Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD). ADD diagnoses are becoming increasingly controversial as scientific evidence of the "disease" is nonexistent. This could be the first in a barrage of lawsuits against the pharmaceutical cash-cow known as Ritalin. This could also spell major trouble for the Department of Education which wholeheartedly endorses the use of Ritalin on children and even pays public schools $400 for every child diagnosed with ADD. ***ACTION TO TAKE*** You can do your part to help stop forced Ritalin use! * Call your Congressman and ask him to support and co-sponsor Congressman Bob Schaffer's House Resolution #459 to call for immediate Hearings on Ritalin use. Capitol Hill Switchboard (202) 225-3121. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 00 09:10:23 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: This is Julie -- Gun Control is RIGHT! (wrong!) (fwd) On May 23, Radiotimk@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This Is Julie, by Bill Kelly Published: 9/2/99 Hi, c'mon in. I need to show you something. This is Julie...... Yes, she is very pretty when she sleeps. Can you believe she worries about her weight? ..... I know. It's crazy. Don't worry about making noise. First, she sleeps like a log. Between being a full-time nursing student and working at a halfway home for people with disabilities, she stays very busy. Secondly, if we could wake her now, maybe she could stop... Well .. you'll see. No, don't worry. I'm okay. Well, you see. Right now, her phone line is being cut. This trailer actually belongs to her brother-in-law. He lived here as a bachelor. When he married her older sister, they moved to an apartment. They plan to build a house on this land someday, but .... well ... they might change their mind. Yeah, the trailer is pretty old. Her brother-in-law couldn't have gotten enough to make it worth selling. It wouldn't have rented for enough to make it worth the hassle of dealing with renters. When she finished her freshman year in the dorms, he offered it to her rent-free. Her dad built the deck in the back. He built it in sections back home and hauled it up here in his truck. He and her brother-in-law assembled it. It works pretty well for her. She's about twenty minutes from campus and fifteen minutes from work. She never had the time, money, or inclination to join a sorority. Even regular apartment life can have more distractions. You heard that? Yeah, so did I. Julie did too. See? She's stirring; opening her eyes. The guy who cut her phone lines just broke in the back door. It really didn't make that much noise. The doors on these trailers aren't very solid. The one bad thing about the deck is that it gave him a little more solid footing when he did it. He's walking into the living room pretty carefully. He's not really worried, he's just spent so much of his life sneaking around that he's always a little stealthy. Yep, her eyes are wide open now. She's not certain whether she heard something or whether she just had a dream. Yeah, her teeth are chattering a little. He sees the extension cord running from the socket to the lamp over her favorite chair. That's where she likes to sit when she reads. The lamp cord didn't reach any outlets from that corner. He's unplugging the lamp, but he decided just to jerk the cord from the wall. Yep, she heard that. She's picking up the phone, but there's no dial tone. He already took care of that. She sits up in bed. Unfortunately, her cell phone is in the kitchen with her purse. It might not matter. The real phone would have instantly told the police where she was, and they could have been here in ten minutes. With the cell phone, she would have to give the address. Speaking clearly when you're this terrified isn't easy. Maybe the police would get here and maybe they wouldn't. She wishes she had listened to her father. He wanted her to bring a gun. He taught her to shoot a couple of years ago, and she knows how to handle his old .38 pretty well. Still, she refused to bring a gun. You see - Julie's only 19, and the federal government has now made it a crime for 19-year-olds to have a gun. No, she realizes that if she kept quiet about it she'd probably never be caught or never prosecuted if she were caught. However, she believes in obeying the law, and she doesn't want to take a chance on having a criminal record. The guy walking down her hall with a knife in one hand and the extension cord in the other is 19 also. He can't legally own a gun either, but that wouldn't stop him. The only reason he doesn't have a gun is that he doesn't need one for what he has in mind. According to our government, Julie can have a gun in two years. Unfortunately, ..... no, I shouldn't say that. It isn't a matter of "fortune," "luck," "chance," or anything like that. This situation resulted from a deliberate decision by our government. What I was going to say was that Julie doesn't have two years. She has about forty horrible minutes. *********************************************************************** Please feel free to forward this to every one in the United States of America. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 00 09:11:56 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NEWS - GUN RULE/CAMERAS (fwd) On May 23, Graham, Brandi wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] CQ MONITOR NEWS BILL EASES GUN RULE FOR JUDGES, ALLOWS CAMERAS IN COURTROOMS By Eileen Simpson, CQ Staff Writer May 22, 2000 - The House on Monday passed by voice vote a bill that would allow cameras into federal courtrooms and permit federal judges to carry concealed weapons across state lines. The bill (HR 1752) makes a number of technical changes to the federal court system, as requested by the United States Judicial Conference. The Conference, which forms the policy-making body of the federal judiciary, periodically submits to Congress proposals aimed at improving the court system. The bill would allow cameras into courtrooms under certain conditions, including that both parties involved in a case do not object to their use. The provision would expire after three years and the Judicial Conference would have to create guidelines by which a judge would approve camera use. In addition, the bill would allow federal judges to carry concealed weapons across state lines, a privilege currently extended to federal law enforcement officials. The bill also would give magistrate judges the power to hold people in civil and criminal contempt of court and mete out their punishment, and eliminate the automatic jury exemption now granted to military personnel, police officers, firefighters and other public officials. A manager's amendment was offered to the bill that removed a provision on civil asset forfeiture. The removed language would have allowed the Administrative Office of the United States Courts to be reimbursed for expenses incurred related to forfeiture cases out of funds in the Department of Justice's (DOJ's) Assets Forfeiture Fund and the Treasury Forfeiture Fund. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that implementing HR 1752 would cost $186 million between the years 2000-2004. Source: CQ Monitor News Round-the-clock coverage of news from Capitol Hill. (c)2000 Congressional Quarterly Inc. All Rights Reserved. Copyright 1983-2000 Congressional Quarterly Inc. All Rights Reserved. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 00 12:54:55 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: [SonsofLiberty] Fwd: Church That Opposed Clinton Doesn't Get Tax-Exempt S... (fwd) On May 23, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The govt revokes the tax exempt status of a church because it opposes abortion (they aren't allowed to complain about govt officials who support abortion) but at the same time, another organization, the Million Mom March is granted tax exempt status even though it was established by the govt to lobby Congress to violate the Bill of Rights. Heck with the uneven application of authority, is sounds like conspiracy to commit a crime to me. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ << Church That Opposed Clinton Doesn't Get Tax-Exempt Status Back http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGIJC96868C.html By Richard Carelli Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Internal Revenue Service was justified in revoking the tax-exempt status of a small New York church that opposed President Clinton's 1992 candidacy, a federal appeals court ruled Friday. The unanimous ruling said the revocation - history's first stripping of a church's tax exemption for political activity - "neither violated the Constitution nor exceeded the IRS' statutory authority." Lawyers for the Church at Pierce Creek, in the Binghamton, N.Y., area, had argued that the tax agency had exceeded its authority, violated the church's free-speech rights and engaged in selective prosecution. "These objections are without merit," a three-judge panel of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia concluded. Federal tax law exempts churches and other charitable organizations from taxation provided they do not engage in certain activities, including any political campaign on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. The Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said the ruling "slams the door on mixing religion and partisan politics." "This is a staggering defeat for Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and others who want to convert America's churches into a partisan political machine," Lynn said. "In light of this ruling, pastors who allow partisan politicking in the sanctuary are jeopardizing their church's tax exemption." It was the Friday before Election Day in 1992 when the Church at Pierce Creek and its pastor, Daniel J. Little, bought a full-page advertisement in two newspapers urging voters to reject Democratic presidential nominee Bill Clinton because of his positions on abortion, homosexuality and the distribution of condoms in public schools. The "Christians Beware" ad appeared in USA Today and The Washington Times. Americans United for Separation of Church and State subsequently filed a complaint with the federal tax agency. After an investigation, the IRS revoked the church's tax-exempt status in 1995, action held in abeyance during the legal fight. A federal judge upheld the revocation last year, and Friday's decision agreed with his reasoning. The appeals court's decision focused most closely on the church's free-speech claims, but rejected them as exaggerated. "The church asserts first, that a revocation would threaten its existence ... that a loss of its tax-exempt status will not only make its members reluctant to contribute the funds essential to its survival but may obligate the church itself to pay taxes," Judge James Buckley wrote for the panel. "In actual fact, even this burden is overstated ... As the IRS confirmed in oral argument, if the church does not intervene in future political campaigns it may hold itself out as a (tax-exempt) organization and receive all the benefits of that status," he said. Buckley's opinion also noted that churches can form separate, non-exempt entities "for the promotion of social welfare," and that those organizations can form political action committees to participate in campaigns. The New York church is represented by the Robertson-founded American Center for Law and Justice. "While we are disappointed with the ... case involving the Church at Pierce Creek, we are encouraged that this court appears to provide a blueprint for churches to express their beliefs in a political context," ACLJ chief counsel Jay Sekulow said. "This is an important development in the area of protecting the First Amendment rights." Sekulow said his group had not yet decided whether it will appeal the case to the Supreme Court. The case is Branch Ministries vs. Rossotti, 99-5097. --- On the Net: For the ruling: http://www.uscourts.gov/links.html and click on D.C. Circuit. AP-ES-05-12-00 1545EDT ====================================================================== Re: Church That Opposed Clinton Doesn't Get Tax-Exempt Status Back From The Associa http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGIJC96868C.html We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, Timothy 1:9 It is not a political issue..it is religious issues brought forth into reality as mentioned in Isaiah, Daniel and Revelation. Therefore, it is our Right to do our ministerial duties as we are 'called' forth into the ministry!! It is not any political person. ...it is good against evil... There is much evil....and we will NOT delete any part of the Holy Bible to accommodate any of it...because it is written that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that cometh out of his mouth. If we say nothing...we will be guilty.... If we say what the Scriptures say...we are earthly guilty. It's about time 'the Church' comes out of the closests and turns off their loud MC music and their social parties...and gets back to the Scriptures! So what difference does it make? Here on earth is temperal...in heaven it's eternal! It is better to obey God rather than man! >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 00 08:32:34 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Federal judges CCW (fwd) Might even be worth sending a copy of their reply to vote-smart.org..... On May 24, GKStemple@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 5/23/2000 2:52:43 PM Central Daylight Time, stevechr@ptd.net writes: << voice vote >> Means our Congrescritters cast a "Yea" or "Nay" that was NOT recorded. There is no official record of each 'critters vote. Phone and write (preferably in longhand by snail-mail) and ask them how they voted. The legislation, HR 1752, makes other changes to the Federal Court system as well. The all-states CCW provision for federal judges was framed as giving federal judges "a privilege currently extended to federal law enforcement officials." It appears that a majority in the House of Representatives agree in principal that someone who may be in danger of criminal attack should be able to carry a concealed weapon anywhere in the United States in order to properly defend themselves. Our task is to get them to realize that criminals attack common citizens far more often than they attack federal judges, and that all-states CCW should be a privilege extended to all honest citizens. Best of Luck to us in our crusade. Gary [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 00 08:51:26 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Pistol Packing Granny (fwd) On May 25, Andy Waltman wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Shopper cuts holdup short In her purse, the woman hid a gun - just the thing to stop a man threatening Wal-Mart employees. By JAMIE MALERNEE © St. Petersburg Times, published May 24, 2000 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SPRING HILL -- Sandra Suter was standing in the check-out line at Wal-Mart on Monday when she saw several store employees wrestling with a man. "Drop the knife! Drop the knife!" one of the employees yelled at the man, who authorities say was trying to steal a VCR. The man, identified as Willie J. Redding, dropped the appliance, pulled a small blade and lunged, cutting two employees, a Hernando County sheriff's report said. Suter, a 53-year-old grandmother of two, reacted. Within seconds, she rushed to the scuffle. "I have a concealed weapons permit," she announced as she whipped out the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun she keeps in her purse. "Either drop the knife, or I'll shoot you," she said as she held the weapon to the man's face. After a few tense moments, during which Suter repeated her threat, Redding dropped the knife and surrendered to store security. Redding of 262 A St., Brooksville, now faces a charge of armed robbery and two counts of battery. Authorities say the 50-year-old Brooksville man walked into the Spring Hill store with an empty VCR box, said he wanted to make an exchange and then tried to leave with a new VCR. Redding, who has previous convictions for selling drugs and dealing in stolen property, was taken to the Hernando County Jail. He was released Tuesday on $3,000 bond. After the arrest, several employees, who did not need treatment for minor cuts, and a Hernando County sheriff's deputy thanked Suter for her decisive action. Suter's husband and grown children are calling her a hero. But the 5-foot-3 homemaker just laughs at the label. "I just did what I thought was right," she said. "It was the first time I've ever had to pull my gun other than at the firing range. I don't know what made me do it." Suter said she has carried the gun in a special pouch in her purse since March. Her son urged her to get it, saying she needed protection during long drives to visit out-of-state relatives. Suter picked the chrome handgun because it was "pretty." She would have used it Monday if necessary. "I would have, had I had a clear shot," she said. Suter is not a member of the National Rifle Association and said she does not get involved in "any of that politics." But she strongly supports Americans' right to bear arms. She and her family often gather at a Lakeland shooting range to practice. "It's brought our family closer together," she said. She and her husband keep child safety locks on their guns and have instructed their grandchildren, ages 4 and 2, not to touch them, she said. Although authorities said they were relieved no one was hurt, spokesmen for the Hernando County Sheriff's Office and Wal-Mart advise civilians not to get involved in such situations. "We want to keep our stores a pleasant place to shop, so we would never encourage our customers to arm themselves," said Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams. "In terms of how she handled herself, she acted responsibly," said sheriff's spokeswoman Deanna Dammer. "But next time the situation might not end so well." Shopper Lorinda Smith, who was in the candy aisle during the confrontation, said Tuesday that she was more frightened by Suter's gun then the man's knife. "That scared the c--- out of me, that someone could have a gun in the store," said Smith of Hernando Beach. "This one lady was in there with her children and when she saw (the gun) she was like, "Get on the ground! Get on the ground!' If I was there with my kids, I would have had a heart attack." NRA officials did not return phone calls. Kim Mariani, spokeswoman for Handgun Control Inc., said Suter's actions, while brave, could have hurt someone. "God forbid something went wrong," Mariani said. "It just escalates the situation, and a lot of times it's unnecessary." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 00 08:48:45 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: MAJOR CHANGES NEEDED (fwd) On May 25, Pep Stofen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] MAJOR CHANGE NEEDED - Changes in government are not that difficult to come by. The few that = are needed would then eliminate most of the other changes that are, in = reality, brought about by the few. WHY NOT ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE? The Federal Reserve System (FED), owned and operated by a private = banking corporation, contrary to our Constitution, and has deprived the = American people of wealth and property by theft, greed and dishonesty = from day one! WHY? Because the evil system they devised is extremely = profitable, that made the stockholders of the FED obscenely wealthy. = They stole this profit, from the American people, that should have gone = into the United States Treasury to run our country and shows up as the = federal debt! I have the video to prove it. (Example - In 1993, the = Bureau of the Treasury was reimbursed 316 million for providing 102 = billion to the FED when the U.S. Treasury printed 8.5 billions of = Federal Reserve Notes.) Therefore, would it not be sensible to keep this system, pay off the = stockholders, and return control of the monetary system, and the = profits, to the U.S. Treasury? We would then have "United States Notes", = instead of "Federal Reserve Notes"! All else would remain the same. Rep. Ron Paul (R-14-TX) has a plan designed to do exactly that, and has = presented it to the Committee on Banking and Financial Services. Contact your Congressman and Senators. Tell them that this bill to make = these changes is in the Committee, and it must be taken out of the = Committee for immediate action. This is a peaceful solution. If not this peaceful way, there could be = great problems in the near future according to the video I have.=20 Mr. Alex Jones, host of a media program in Texas that made the video, = states The Legislative The Executive and The Judicial branches of our = government want to turn this over to the UN. ALL FOR THE NEW WORLD = ORDERS! Pep=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 00 08:46:17 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: 'The new blacklisters,' 5-25-00 (fwd) On May 25, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: 'The new blacklisters,' 5-25-00 THE NEW BLACKLISTERS By Jeff Jacoby The Boston Globe May 25, 2000 You can hear arguments for and against same-sex marriage. You can hear arguments for and against gays in the military. You can hear arguments for and against taking the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality literally. Should openly gay scoutmasters be allowed in the Boy Scouts? Should "gay pride" be celebrated with flamboyant parades? Should churches ordain gay and lesbian clergy? You can hear arguments for and against each proposition. Or can you? Increasingly, gay activists are insisting that you *not* be allowed to hear the arguments for and against. Instead of trying to refute opinions they don't share, the new strategy is to label them "hateful" or "dangerous" and to silence the people making them. The campaign to kill the "Dr. Laura" TV show before it debuts this fall is an alarming case in point. Laura Schlessinger's views are anathema to many. A moral traditionalist, she makes it clear that she disapproves of homosexuality. It is a form of "deviant sexual behavior," she says -- the result of a "biological error" that impedes gays and lesbians from being attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexuality is hardly the only practice Schlessinger disapproves of, as anyone who listens to her knows. She opposes premarital sex, abortion, single motherhood, serial marriage, people who cheat on their spouses, working parents who put their children in day care, and most divorce. She is rigid and censorious and blunt. She is also stunningly popular, far and away the most successful woman in radio history and the author of four bestselling books. In the marketplace of ideas, she has found many takers. Not surprisingly, she also has many detractors, who denounce her views as "homophobia" and bigotry. But rather than debate those views, her opponents aim to suppress them. They are aggressively lobbying Paramount to cancel "Dr. Laura," flooding TV stations that have signed up to carry it with letters and calls of protest, and putting pressure on advertisers to shun not only the TV show but the radio program as well. Last week, Proctor & Gamble yielded to the pressure, dropping its plan to sponsor the new program. A few days earlier, United Airlines announced it would no longer run ads for Schlessinger's radio show in its in-flight magazine. Once upon a time, activists on the left hated blacklists and loved free speech. They embraced the classic position attributed to Voltaire: I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Gay-rights advocates especially appealed for tolerance. Live and let live, they said. To each his own. Be open-minded. No more. "Tolerance" now means no tolerance for speakers whose opinions on homosexuality are politically incorrect. We don't like what Dr. Laura says; therefore, she may not say it. It isn't only Dr. Laura. On a growing number of college campuses, evangelical student groups are being punished for adhering to traditional Christian views on homosexuality. When the Christian Fellowship at Tufts University would not allow a lesbian member to run for a leadership post -- not because of her sexual orientation, but because she rejected the group's belief that homosexual activity is wrong -- it was stripped of its status as a legitimate campus organization. That meant it lost its student government funding and the right to use "Tufts" in its name, and was barred from communicating through university channels. In short, one administrator reportedly told the group, "on the Tufts campus, you do not exist." The ruling was later overturned on due process grounds, but it may be reimposed in the fall. Meanwhile, there has been no reprieve for the Christian fellowship at Grinnell College in Iowa, which was "derecognized" in 1997. Similar campaigns to penalize evangelicals are underway at Middlebury College in Vermont, Whitman College in Washington, and Ball State University in Indiana. No doubt more are in the works. Those leading the assault on the Christian groups claim they simply want to stop discrimination against gays. But the religious fellowships *don't* discriminate against gays; they welcome members of any sexual identity. The groups do, however, insist on the right to decide for themselves what they believe, and that is what the campus inquisitors cannot abide. Like the protesters trying to get the plug pulled on Dr. Laura, they demand outward ideological conformity. No one may dissent from their particular gay agenda, and those who do must be stifled. As this intolerant "tolerance" spreads, so does the chill it generates. Last month, The New York Times reported on three religious scholars -- "respected Protestant theologians" and "thoughtful conservatives" all -- who had been invited to join a televised discussion of same-sex marriage and the ordination of gay ministers. Each refused, afraid of being vilified as "anti-gay and anti-compassion" if he deviated from the liberal line. None of the three would even allow the Times to quote him by name. One said he worried about family members who "had felt the 'heat' for his previous public statements." Intimidation, censorship, blacklisting, "derecognition" -- these are the coward's ways to win an argument. Those who believe in gay rights used to also believe in reason, persuasion, and the free exchange of ideas. What happened? (Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for The Boston Globe. 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