From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #429 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Saturday, February 24 2001 Volume 02 : Number 429 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 01 22:51:23 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Christian Students Must Be Allowed to Say Homosexuality Is a Sin (fwd) On Feb 21, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Christian Students Must Be Allowed to Say Homosexuality Is a Sin Source: Massachusetts News http://www.massnews.com/marsin.htm Alternate Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a8d9b824e06.htm Published: February 16, 2001 Excerpt: A decision by a U.S. Court of Appeals in Philadelphia about freedom of speech will have a profound impact in Massachusetts, says Boston's constitutional lawyer Chester Darling. A three-judge panel held on Wednesday that Christian students must be allowed to say that homosexuality is a sin and to speak out on other moral issues. "We've been limiting free speech for a long time in Massachusetts, but this unconstitutional practice will not continue," Darling predicted. "Our terrible attitude was exhibited in its worst light last month," Darling said, "when the mayor of Newton said that he would fight with those parents who disapprove of school policies about homosexuality 'until their voices are no longer heard.' "They must stop that type of bigotry," Darling said, "and if they don't, we will be happy to have a court instruct them." Click here for full text of the opinion: http://pacer.ca3.uscourts.gov/recentop/week/994081.txt [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 01 22:52:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: CAFR: The Biggest Theft In American History (fwd) On Feb 21, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - --- forwarded message --- Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports The Biggest Theft In American History By Walter J. Burien, Jr. Every city, county, state, and the federal government keeps a hidden, SECOND SET OF BOOKS which track the multi-TRILLION dollars in tangible wealth they have built up in these virtually hidden portfolios initially coming from investing YOUR tax money for over 50 years in everything from real estate to the stock market. Your city, county, state, and federal governments have LIED TO YOU for decades. There is NO NEED FOR TAXES. Our governments are not broke, they are rich beyond measure with OUR money, and they are hiding it from the American taxpayer while pleading they are broke and need more taxes, bonds and levees to survive. This being done as they blindly justify their obscene growth. BS! There is enough aggregate wealth owned by our government agencies to abolish ALL property and income taxes TODAY. You are being conned, lied to, ripped off, and financially raped. See for yourself. Click on the web site below: http://hometown.aol.com/cafr1/CAFR.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:03:42 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Watson Subject: [PROVE] Autism and Vaccine (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:42:44 -0800 From: PROVE To: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: [PROVE] Autism and Vaccine http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/25/02.html Autism and Vaccine by Tim O'Shea,DC Perhaps one of the most shocking pieces ever to appear on television this past April: a six-hour taping of a Congressional investigation into the relationship between vaccines and autism among American children. This footage appeared on C-SPAN and was then archived on their website for a entire month. On April 6, Rep. Dan Burton convened the Congressional hearing in which parents repeatedly told similar stories - how their normally developing babies, after MMR or DPT vaccinations, began displaying autistic behaviors, conditions that are often permanent. Happy, bright children were suddenly losing their abilities to learn, communicate or even recognize their parents. Amazing testimony was given by experts in the field of autism: Mary Megson,MD, explained how autism has gone from being rare (about one incident per 10,000 children in 1978), to epidemic proportions in 2000 AD: one case in every 300-500 children in many areas! Megson's research has shown total deficiency of vitamin A in almost all autistic children. What depletes the body of vitamin A at 15 months? The MMR vaccine. In addition, Megson found that pertussis toxin from the DPT shot disrupted a certain protein that is necessary for retinal formation. This would account for the prevalence of night-blindness and loss of 3D vision so common among autistics. John O'Leary,PhD, a world-class researcher and molecular biologist from Ireland, using state-of-the-art sequencing technology, showed how he had found the measles virus in the gut of 96% of autistic children, compared to 6.6% in normal children. This virus did not come from the natural disease, but from the measles vaccine. Dr. O'Leary found measles virus present in 75% of children with Crohn's disease. Crohn's has traditionally been an intestinal disease of adults, following years of dietary abuse. Its appearance in children is a new event, and Dr. O'Leary's work points to the measles virus from vaccines as the likely cause. V. Singh,MDM, a specialist from Utah State who has studied over 400 cases of autism, found that these children had experienced an autoimmune episode, in which their own bodies had been made to attack the linings of their nervous systems. Dr. Singh characterized the epidemic as a "hyperimmune response to the measles virus." He stated that 55% of the families said that autism appeared soon after an MMR shot, and that 33% of families said it appeared soon after a DPT shot. Such neurologic damage is a well-established side-effect of the mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde used in these vaccines. Andrew Wakefield,MD, a brilliant researcher from the UK, noted an almost 100% incidence of "lymphoid nodular hyperplasia" or swollen lumps throughout the intestinal tissue of autistics. Such a condition is rare in normal children. Intestinal pathology is characteristic of the autistic child, and the condition generally follows soon after the MMR shot. Dr. Wakefield explained that as the fragile, newborn intestine cannot function because of its swollen condition, undigested toxins from vaccines and drugs are allowed to get into the liver, which is also in a formative stage. Liver pathology is very common among autistics. Wakefield's hypothesis is that these same "undegraded toxins," having not been halted by the intestine or the liver, as normally happens, that these toxins are then free to attack the nervous system, and that autism may well be the result. Kathy Pratt,PhD, director of the Indiana Center for Autism, stated that 1 in 400 children in Indiana were autistic! With 500,000 cases reported in the U.S., Dr. Pratt stated that autism is now more common than Down's syndrome. Dr. Pratt points out that autism presently may disqualify a person for medical coverage for other, unrelated conditions. Michael Goldberg,MD, a California pediatrician and researcher, explained how it was impossible to have an epidemic based solely on genetics. That's the standard excuse the CDC and the NIH have been using to explain how autism has grown from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 300 in just 22 years. Seeing the American democratic system in action in a live Congressional hearing, it soon becomes apparent how the control of information operates, even in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence that we may well be poisoning our own children! The requisite defenders of the status quo robotically read their predictable prepared statements, denying the possibility of any connection between autism and vaccines. These included MDs Paul Offit, Edwin Cook, Brent Taylor and others. After they uniformly denied the vaccine/autism connection, it was most illuminating when Burton asked each one of them point-blank about the money each received from the vaccine manufacturers. And these are members of the advisory committee who make the decisions about which vaccines are to be included in the mandated vaccination schedule. Colleen Boyle was there to represent the Centers for Disease Control. After stumbling through her prepared statement in which she denied any connection between autism and vaccines, Boyle stated the present incidence to be "12 in 10,000." Burton then stopped her cold by asking her one simple question: Did she think it was a conflict of interest for the same people who were funded by the vaccine manufacturers to be on the advisory board making decisions about which vaccines should be given to American children? Boyle was dumfounded and speechless. Burton repeated the question. Still no answer. Boyle's mute portrayal of the career bureaucrat spoke volumes. Equally inept and ill-prepared was Deborah Hirtz, MD, representing the National Institutes of Health. Losing her place in her written statement, Hirtz forgot what she was saying, and it seemed obvious she had not written it. Finally, she just barely managed to put across what she was sent there to say - that there could be no connection between vaccines and autism, but that the NIH was "looking into it." The NIH has already spent some $40 million per year of taxpayer money "looking into it." (Hirtz) Their answer: It needs further study. The performance of these representatives from the two government agencies who have almost sovereign power in the area of vaccines was frightening - their indifference; lack of information; condescension; and low level of intelligence. They gave no sign of having understood one word of the critically important breakthrough research that had just been so brilliantly expounded by Drs. Megson, O'Leary, and Wakefield. This is what power looks like - people who have been in their position so long that they know they don't have to justify themselves to anyone lower down on the food chain. Government agencies have the same answer to every problem: more committees; more money; more study; and more meetings. Meanwhile, 22 years have gone by, and all these people say is "we don't know." After 22 years and $100 million, we don't know the incidence, the cause or the cure for autism. But we'll definitely "look into it." And, oh yes, it's definitely "not vaccines." The shocking scientific findings of Wakefield and O'Leary obviously demand more research. So then, why are the vaccines not suspended until that research is done? The underlying assumption is that the vaccines will continue as normal until enough "research" proves it is dangerous, as with rotavirus and Quadrigen. Only then will MMR be suspended. This is the thinking that passes as logic. The key point here that no one seems to be pointing out is that research should be done before mandating a vaccine into the bloodstream of American children! You don't just start mass-injecting something into a population and then stand back and defy independent scientists to prove it isn't safe! That's exactly what we've done here. As a nation, as a government, and as parents, Americans should be very certain, beyond a reasonable doubt, that any substance being injected into an unformed little nervous system is absolutely safe and does no harm. That shoul be the minimum requirement. Drs. Wakefield, O'Leary, and Megson have shown startling results from some of the only scientific research on autism and vaccines in the entire world that has not been funded by the vaccine manufacturers. This research also shows a high likelihood that MMR and DPT vaccines may cause permanent intestinal destruction, liver damage, and autism. It presents a very plausible hypothesis for the horrific increase of autism since 1978. So, until we know for certain if they're right, why are the vaccines not suspended? Researcher Gary Null's pert answer comes swimming to the surface; "It's the money, stupid." By the end of the hearing, Burton's room was polarized into three groups: * those who were convinced of a connection between autism and vaccines * those who admitted the possibility * those who angrily denied the possibility, affronted that anyone would question their "scientific" opinions It was amusing to see which people in the room were trying to discover the truth, and which were trying their best to cover it up. Despite Burton's heroic efforts to bring these matters into public view, it's an uphill struggle. The big money's on the side of vaccines. Big money controls research, the press, "scientific" journals, and politicians. Seeing all these forces clash together in one room in just six hours has been the most instructive display of confusing the issues perhaps since the OJ trial. Watching a live congressional hearing like this, it soon becomes clear that for them, the real priority isn't necessarily finding the truth, but rather showing who's really in charge here. The viewer begins to understand how autism could have gone from being unknown in 1978 to being a household word in just 22 years with so little fanfare. Without undue pessimism, the prospects for unbiased, objective scientific logic to prevail in deciding the future of MMR and DPT vaccines do not look bright. The mentality of the CDC and the NIH was well characterized in this videotape. The control of research and information by drug manufacturers was pervasive. Burton's co-chairman, Henry Waxman, did his best to divert attention from the issues to himself, to waste time on "points of order," and to prevent anyone who disagreed with him from being heard. Waxman's science champion, researcher Brent Taylor,MD, has recently had an article published in Lancet that supposedly shows no possible connection between vaccines and autism. Now Taylor has refused to provide his data for the study when repeatedly asked by other researchers, like Dr. Bernard Rimland. Such a request is standard, and researchers commonly share their data when requested, unless they have something to hide. Taylor's combination of fear and arrogance is characteristic of the way that research, and ultimately, decision-making on vaccines by the advisory committee. The researchers who have unlimited funding may 'prove' whatever they wish, get it published in the best journals, which are heavily advertised in by the drug companies, and then refuse to respond to valid objections, because they know that those opposing points of view will probably not be published. Despite these formidable obstacles, doubts are creeping into the overall public "consciousness" from many different directions about the safety of vaccines. At one in 500, the fact of autism as an epidemic can no longer be covered up. The work of Wakefield, O'Leary, and Megson is going to be very difficult to explain away. The massive advertising campaign about the safety of vaccines in the popular media, which is certain to be stepped up in the next few months, is going to look very hollow in the light of clean, unbiased research that is not funded by parties who stand to make billions from certain predetermined results. Author's note: Excerpted from forthcoming third edition of the Sanctity of Human Blood, New West, Publisher. References http://www.c-span.org . Government Reform Committee hearing on vaccines and autism, 6 Apr 2000, Chairman: Representative Dan Burton. Testimony before U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform, 6 Apr 2000: . Hirtz D, National Institutes of Health . Megson M, MD, American Academy of Pediatrics . Wakefield A, MD, Royal Free University College Medical School. . O'Leary J, PhD, Coomb's Women's Hospital, Dublin. . Singh V, PhD, Utah State University . Boyle C, MD, National Institutes of Health . Offit P, MD, University of Pennsylvania . Taylor B, MD, Royal Free University College Medical . Rimland B, PhD, Autism Research Institute, San Diego . Goldberg M, MD, NIDS Research Institute Reprints of testimony are available from the Office of Government Reform, Washington, DC (202) 225-2276 Videotape available from http://www.c-span.org Tim O'Shea San Jose, California - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dawn Richardson PROVE(Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education) prove@vaccineinfo.net (email) http://vaccineinfo.net/ (web site) - ------------------------------------------------------------------- PROVE provides information on vaccines, and immunization policies and practices that affect the children and adults of Texas. Our mission is to prevent vaccine injury and death and to promote and protect the right of every person to make informed independent vaccination decisions for themselves and their family. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- This information is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe to PROVE Email Updates: Click here http://vaccineinfo.net//subscribe.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Removal from PROVE Email Updates: Click here: http://vaccineinfo.net/unsubscribe.htm You are currently subscribed as pwatson@utdallas.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 01 16:56:39 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Hostettler Letter to HUD Secretary Martinez (fwd) On Feb 21, davidwiz@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Rep. Hostettler Leading the Charge to Repeal Clinton's Anti-gun Legacy - -- Needs your help in getting HUD out of the gun control business Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Wednesday, February 21, 2001) -- Gun Owners of America is working with Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) to strip former President Clinton of his anti-gun legacy. Hostettler is asking other legislators to join him in signing a letter that will ask the new Department of HUD Secretary Mel Martinez to disassemble the agency's Communities for Safer Guns Coalition -- a syndicate intended to encourage and assist anti-gun lawsuits around the country. All together, more than 30 cities and localities have brought their own suits against the gun makers. The impact -- and intent -- of these HUD-encouraged lawsuits is clear. Dade County Circuit Court Judge Amy Dean told Miami-Dade County attorneys suing the gun industry that if they were to get exactly what they wanted, guns would be "taken off the market entirely." (Reuters, 11/15/99) Even if the gun makers won every single harassment suit against them (and they have won virtually every single one), the costs of simultaneously defending themselves in multiple cities across the country could put many, if not all, of them out of business. ACTION: Please ask your Representative to join onto the Hostettler letter. Tell him you don't want your tax dollars continuing to go towards efforts that will tear down the Second Amendment. Urge him to do his part in getting HUD out of the gun control business. Please use the pre-written letter below to help direct your comments to Capitol Hill. You can call your Representative at 1-877-762-8762 (toll free) or at 202-225-3121. To identify your Representative, as well as to send a message via e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website. - ----- Pre-written letter ----- Dear Representative: Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) will soon be sending a very important letter to Mel Martinez, the new secretary for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. I hope that you will join him in asking HUD to pull out of the misnamed Communities for Safer Guns Coalition. This group is assisting cities and localities all over the country to bring lawsuits against the gun makers of America. This is outrageous and is completely out of line with what Americans want. A Zogby poll last year found that 2/3 of the people say it's illegitimate to bring lawsuits against gun manufacturers or to hold them liable for the criminal misuse of guns. Please call the Hostettler office, ask him for a copy of the letter and then tell them you'll sign on. It's time to stop our tax dollars from going towards efforts that will tear down the Second Amendment. Thank you. Sincerely, ***************** The actual text of the Hostettler letter is at http://www.gunowners.org/hs0101.htm for those interested in reading it. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 01 16:55:37 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: The Florida Excuse (fwd) On Feb 21, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kort" Sent: Wednesday, 21 February, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: fwd: The Florida Excuse The Florida Excuse by Doug Newman dougnewman@juno.com February 11, 2001 http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/florida.html When I was in college at Arizona State, some of us tried to put out an alternative conservative newspaper similar to those on many other campuses. To make a long story short, the venture never got off the ground. However, one story will always remain with me. I was having coffee one morning with a partner in this venture, who read to me a headline about Soviet dissident Andrei Sakharov. He then asked me, "Doug, do you know how much Sakharov would ridicule us for not being able to make this thing happen?" He had a point. We were failing in America because of organizational ineptitude and plain old-fashioned whining. Soviet dissidents such as Sakharov, were succeeding in spite of the constant threat of being forced to board the next boxcar to the Gulag. When it comes to political participation, Americans are the world's biggest whiners and manufacturers of excuses. In dozens of countries around the world, people will dodge bullets in order to vote. Yet in America, where the opportunity to vote is the most widespread in the world, people will not dodge raindrops in order to vote. Now there is a movement afoot in the land to codify this chronic excuse-itis into law. In a recent column, Ben Wattenberg castigated the major broadcast networks for their recklessness on election night. He and others contend that, when the networks called Florida early in the evening for Al Gore, they prompted significant numbers of Republican voters to spare themselves the inconvenience of voting and stay home. Democratic victories in Senate races in Oregon and Washington have been attributed to this effect. In late November, Rep. Billy Tauzin (R.-La.) threatened to "hold hearings" to investigate the recklessness of the major news networks. Indeed, conservative syndicated talk show host Hugh Hewitt has put up a page devoted to "The Florida Effect." Proposed electoral reforms include not using exit polls to project the winners of close races, not projecting winners of states when the margin is one percent or less, and not projecting the winner of a state until all the polls are closed within that state. (It was 6:30 in the Florida Panhandle, when the networks called Florida for Gore. The polls would not close for another 90 minutes.) Conservatives love to talk about responsibility. They talk endlessly of the need for the poor to assume responsibility for improving their lot in life, of the need for "accountability" among teachers and schools, and of the importance traditional sexual mores and restraining our carnal appetites. Liberty, they tell us, implies the need for responsibility. But let an election be too close for comfort, and they start caterwauling like all the folks they routinely ridicule. White racism may not be to blame for the existence of a black underclass, and guns may not be to blame for Columbine. However, the blame for the closeness of the election may be placed squarely on ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN! As Yogi Berra once said, "It ain't over, 'til it's over." On a recent Saturday, I was watching a basketball game between my beloved Duke Blue Devils the University of Maryland Terrapins. With 55 seconds to play, Maryland led by 10 points, and everyone thought the game was, well, over. Except the Duke coaches and players. In the last 55 seconds, Duke scored 10 points, forced the game into overtime, and won. Sports fans make endless projections. However, games are played in their entirety regardless of projected outcomes. Why, then, do people assume that elections are over before the polls close? Just as I did not stop pulling for Duke, responsible citizens vote anyway until the polls close. In addition to presidents, we vote for senators, congressman, governors, mayors, school boards, mineshaft inspectors -- it's an elected position in Arizona -- and a host of other offices. Even though their presidential candidate may be a lost cause, they support that candidate anyway. Their other favorite candidates may well have a chance. Responsible citizens know the importance of voting. The problem lies with the millions of Americans who are just too plain dirt lazy to get out to the polls. No law can fix this. Some conservatives want to pander to them by blaming the networks for this non-voting and passing vacuous new laws. This is paternalistic feel-goodism at its worst. The always quotable columnist Vin Suprynowicz was especially quoteworthy when he said the following of the Florida election situation: "If 2,380 Bush supporters in the Florida panhandle really decided not to vote after hearing some guy on TV say he was 'projecting' Mr. Gore had won their state, they're a bunch of dolts. Generations of our forefathers fought and died to preserve Americans' right to cast a vote as they see fit, and these folks stayed home and watched 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' ... or the Ellie Mae Clampett Bib Overall Beauty Pageant and Gator Rassling Finals, or whatever it is they watch out west of Panama City ... because some guy on TV told them not to bother?" (Duke did not play that night. Again, no excuses.) Two hundred years ago, Samuel Adams had even better words for those who will not go to the slightest inconvenience to exercise those rights in defense of which so much blood has been spilled. "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - ------------------------------------------------------ "Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857. - -- Kort E Patterson http://www.overalltech.net/ http://www.hevanet.com/kort/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:53:13 -0600 From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Fwd: Int'l. Criminal Court - Radio Appearances February 23, 2001 Congressman Ron Paul and/or I will discuss the International Criminal Court on the following radio programs: Monday, 2/26/01 at 11:06 a.m. ET, 10:06 a.m. CT WACV-AM 1170, Montgomery, Alabama Host: Don Markwell Monday, 2/26/01 at 11:00 p.m. ET, 10:00 p.m. CT, 8:00 p.m. PT Talk Radio Network Host: Roger Fredinburg Simulcast on Web site: www.talkradionetwork.com Tuesday, 2/27/01 at 8:10 a.m. ET, 7:10 a.m. CT WAAM-AM 1600, Detroit, Michigan Host: Dave Pekrul Wednesday, 2/28/01 at 10:00 p.m. ET, 7:00 p.m. PT KSFO-AM 560, San Francisco, California Host: Brian Wilson Simulcast on Web site: www.ksfo.com Thursday, 3/01/01 at 6:00 a.m. ET, 4:00 a.m. MT KOA-AM 850, Denver, Colorado Host: Rick Barber Simulcast on Web site: www.850koa.com Friday, 3/02/01 at 8:05 a.m. ET, 7:05 a.m. CT USA Radio Network Hosts: Al Lerner & Richard Stevens Simulcast on Web site: www.usaradio.com Monday, 3/05/01 at 3:00 p.m. ET, 2:00 p.m. CT VCY America Radio Network Host: Vic Eliason Simulcast on Web site: www.vcyamerica.org Saturday, 3/10/01 at 10:00 a.m. CT, 8:00 a.m. PT KSCO-AM 1080, Monterey, California Host: Barbra Alexander Simulcast on Web site: www.money-hotline.com Monday, 3/12/01 at 7:15 p.m. ET, 4:15 p.m. PT KKLA-FM 99.5, Los Angeles, California Host: Warren Duffy Simulcast on Web site: www.kkla.com Wednesday, 3/21/01 at 5:30 p.m. CT, 3:30 p.m. PT KPAY-AM 1290, Chico, California Host: Bruce Sessions. A list of these programs along with any short-notice additions or changes will be posted on our Web site. Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org - -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 01 14:43:33 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Send this one around, it's a stunner. (fwd) On Feb 24, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I agree with DJ, this is unreal. If it were anyone except Bill Clinton I would have clicked on Delete, but he has such a terrible reputation you just can't tell for sure. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >From Agence France Presse Sunday: Fapai, a men's garments firm in Communist China, has offered Bill Clinton $2 million to be their "image ambassador." They made the offer last May while he was still President, They remade the offer after he left, and Mrs. Clinton, who was a Senator by this point, responded on his behalf, thanking them for the offer and saying they'd like to meet with the company to discuss it further. Is this unreal or what? DJ Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 01 15:30:11 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Parental Rights Under Police Attack (fwd) On inv oralid,, Albert T. Viar wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Parental rights under police attack Twenty Years Ago Last Month, Our Nations Police Forces Paraded In Lock-Step To The Communist/Socialist/Globalist March For `Children's Rights' (More Police Powers Over "We, The People" Through More Police Control Over Our Children). January 11, 1981, was the beginning of the end for Parental Rights in America. In a typical Communist mobilization of the news media and Socialist associated Police personnel, what would have been an ordinary bludgeoning death of a child; an ordinary brutal murder of a child, was transformed into a national feeding frenzy in favor of more police controls on parents and their children. Globalist oriented child advocacy agencies joined the fray and assisted the police forces in "making law". When the police make the law which they then enforce, we have something known as a "Police State". The Communist/Socialist/Globalist march to emulate by law portions of the United Nations Convention On The Rights Of The Child had its beginnings in Quincy, Illinois through the wrongful social agitation of the Quincy Police Department, which spread like a plague throughout the entire United States. Nearly every State in America has passed legislation as a result, identical to, or resembling, the (MRAI Law) or the Minor Requiring Authoritative Intervention Law, which allows any child to "Run Away From Home with the assistance of the `Law Enforcement, `Child Advocacy Agencies' and the `Courts'. As a result of the brutal murder of young David Madden, and the ensuing mass hysteria of law enforcement throughout the nation, current child protection legislation was modified to permit indiscriminate misinterpretation of originally good law, and the Minor Requiring Authoritative Intervention law (MRAI) was born. This (MRAI) legislative monstrosity was fostered by coordinated, massive Police State pressure upon the Illinois Legislature and the Legislatures of other States. We have in our midst an organization called Department of Children and Family Services; Dept. of Human Services, to use the New World Order Terminology. These people arrive at your door and present an identification card and tell you that they have received a complaint. At this point, they will ask to see your children. If your children wish to harm you, a lie will do. You will be deprived of your children, arrested, required to post bail or face jail until a court hearing can be held, be denied liberty, justice, and your children, unless you can prove your innocence. There is also in place an inexcuseable situation where any child, even yours, can walk up to any police officer and say that he or she does not want to go home. The child will be taken into limited temporary custody and the parents will be called. The parents will be told that their child has refused to go home. If the child continues to refuse to go home, the parents will be asked to sign a paper authorizing the Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) or (Human Services) to `give' the child a temporary foster home. When you say "No Way!", the agent for DCFS will tell you that if you continue to refuse to sign the paper, you will be taken before a judge, charged with child neglect, the child will be made a ward of the court, and then the judge will sign the paper authorizing a foster home. The child or children will be given a controlled foster home for 21 days where you will not be allowed to communicate with your child. The child will be given a hefty "Clothing Allowance" and "Spending Money". If, after the 21 days, the child still does not want to go home, the foster home is continued. This can result in the Court stealing from you your parental rights. My young son, Marcus Viar, was taken into bondage in 1993, in Quincy, Illinois, County of Adams, in the State of Illinois and "sold" into a foster home in Pike County, Illinois through the Seditious and unconstitutional MRAI law. I accused the court of sedition with the MRAI law and asked that the law be declared unconstitutional and be set aside and my son returned to me. I handed the Judge, Judge Woleyhan, a certified copy of the accusation during a court hearing on 93-J-192 and immediately after court, I filed, with the County Clerk, a certified copy of that accusation into 93-J-192. As a result of my continued protests to the court seeking the return of my son, Marcus Patrick Viar, the lawyers and judges of THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE EIGHTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT OF ILLINOIS, ADAMS COUNTY, have sealed the case file 93-J-192 and ordered it not to be opened by anything less than the Illinois Apellate Court. State Agencies receive approximately one million dollars per child they "Capture and Control." That is a large incentive for Social Services Agencies to funnel more children into the maw of the Globalist machine. Albert T. Viar, Father of Marcus Patrick Viar. 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