From: Jackie Newman Subject: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 04 Dec 1999 04:30:20 +0000 Hey folks where have you all gone, jaunted off to the Trig or something? Arpi tells me that very few people have voted in the fan fiction poll. As a writer, with a big head and ego to match, I like to get feedback on my stories, this seemed an ideal opportunity for us to voice our collective opinions and thanks to all those who keep the TP going through their writing. So guys please don't let me down vote for Jackie Newman (and all the others) as mad writer of the year! that was pure unadulterated begging! on a more serious note... having not heard from anyone on tpdis in a while I wondered whether your liking for the show was fading. I am about to spend a lot of valuable time and money editing the 25th anniversary video and may even have to buy special equipment in order to upload the clips. Is it still worth it? Will any of you apart from Shaun, Wendy, Beth and Arpi to look at it? Shall I bother at all? BTW I have got permission from Richard to use images from the vid to make a calendar, would anyone be seriously interested in this? I don't want to commit to manufacturing a batch if people are not willing to pay to cover my costs. Boy! I sound desperate at 4 am don't I lol Regards Jackie (who is wondering whether that Federation substance in the atmosphere is blocking all your telepathic powers? or maybe you just defected to Dr. who) http://members.aol.com/arpitp2/vote.html http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/jack_1.htm -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 03 Dec 1999 20:56:15 -0800 Jackie Newman wrote: > Arpi tells me that very few people have voted in the fan fiction poll. > As a writer, with a big head and ego to match, I like to get feedback on > my stories, this seemed an ideal opportunity for us to voice our > collective opinions and thanks to all those who keep the TP going > through their writing. So guys please don't let me down vote for Jackie > Newman (and all the others) as mad writer of the year! That's right - only fifteen people have voted so far. That's hardly an accurate representation of the opinions of the list as a whole! For those who aren't aware, we are conducting fanfic awards. To vote for your favourite fanfics, go to http://members.aol.com/arpitp2/vote.html The deadline was originally scheduled for today, but I'm going to move it back a little to see if a few more people would like to vote. If you've filled something out where you typed in your favourite fanfics, that was the nominations site *NOT* the voting site. I repeat: if you have voted on a page where you TYPED YOUR VOTE OUT, you have not yet voted, so please do so as soon as possible. If you are having trouble accessing the page, please e-mail me privately and I'll see what I can do. -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 04 Dec 1999 11:44:37 +0000 > on a more serious note... having not heard from anyone on tpdis in a > while I wondered whether your liking for the show was fading. NO NO NO! I'm just really busy now (college apps ^_^;), and it's hard to have time to write back to everything that I'm interested in on this list. I love The Tomorrow People as much as ever! Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Wiltsie" Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 04 Dec 1999 13:33:37 -0700 I would be interested in both the calendar and the clips from the TP. Please let me know what the costs are, and what to send to get one. Thanks Johnneye ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:30 PM > Hey folks where have you all gone, jaunted off to the Trig or something? > > Arpi tells me that very few people have voted in the fan fiction poll. > As a writer, with a big head and ego to match, I like to get feedback on > my stories, this seemed an ideal opportunity for us to voice our > collective opinions and thanks to all those who keep the TP going > through their writing. So guys please don't let me down vote for Jackie > Newman (and all the others) as mad writer of the year! > > that was pure unadulterated begging! > > on a more serious note... having not heard from anyone on tpdis in a > while I wondered whether your liking for the show was fading. I am about > to spend a lot of valuable time and money editing the 25th anniversary > video and may even have to buy special equipment in order to upload the > clips. Is it still worth it? Will any of you apart from Shaun, Wendy, > Beth and Arpi to look at it? Shall I bother at all? > > BTW I have got permission from Richard to use images from the vid to > make a calendar, would anyone be seriously interested in this? I don't > want to commit to manufacturing a batch if people are not willing to pay > to cover my costs. > > Boy! I sound desperate at 4 am don't I lol > > Regards > Jackie (who is wondering whether that Federation substance in the > atmosphere is blocking all your telepathic powers? or maybe you just > defected to Dr. who) > > http://members.aol.com/arpitp2/vote.html > > http://www.effdee.demon.co.uk/jack_1.htm > > -- > May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. > (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 04 Dec 1999 21:35:45 -0000 >on a more serious note... having not heard from anyone on tpdis in a >while I wondered whether your liking for the show was fading. Not at all!! Don't even think it! >I am about >to spend a lot of valuable time and money editing the 25th anniversary >video and may even have to buy special equipment in order to upload the >clips. Is it still worth it? Will any of you apart from Shaun, Wendy, >Beth and Arpi to look at it? Shall I bother at all? I'll be looking:-) >BTW I have got permission from Richard to use images from the vid to >make a calendar, would anyone be seriously interested in this? I don't >want to commit to manufacturing a batch if people are not willing to pay >to cover my costs. How much will it cost??? >Boy! I sound desperate at 4 am don't I lol Oh I don't know???!! Mind you, I've just had a thought! Why, for the Millennium, don't we each try to compose a millennium greeting to the list from our favourite TP character? Keeping it in character and trying to inagine what they might wish for the new millennium..... Just a thought. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 04 Dec 1999 16:06:59 -0600 David M Yates wrote: > Oh I don't know???!! Mind you, I've just had a thought! Why, for the > Millennium, don't we each try to compose a millennium greeting to the list > from our favourite TP character? Keeping it in character and trying to > inagine what they might wish for the new millennium..... Just a thought. Well, with a whole year's warning, I can certainly get that done! (Millenium starts in 2001, so there :p ) Tigger PS I *might* be interested in a TP calender-- depending on the cost. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 04 Dec 1999 17:16:17 -0600 I want the video > >on a more serious note... having not heard from anyone on tpdis in a >while I wondered whether your liking for the show was fading. I am about >to spend a lot of valuable time and money editing the 25th anniversary >video and may even have to buy special equipment in order to upload the >clips. Is it still worth it? Will any of you apart from Shaun, Wendy, >Beth and Arpi to look at it? Shall I bother at all? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 04 Dec 1999 23:52:37 -0700 At 04:30 AM 04/12/99 +0000, Jackie wrote: >Hey folks where have you all gone, jaunted off to the Trig or something? Busy busy busy. >on a more serious note... having not heard from anyone on tpdis in a >while I wondered whether your liking for the show was fading. I am about >to spend a lot of valuable time and money editing the 25th anniversary >video and may even have to buy special equipment in order to upload the >clips. Is it still worth it? Will any of you apart from Shaun, Wendy, >Beth and Arpi to look at it? Shall I bother at all? Yes, I am interested, also in the calendar, depending on my finances :). My interest in the show is still high, but my time and disposable income are not. Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 05 Dec 1999 11:44:41 -0500 ~gasp~ Liking for the show fading? That's bordering on heresey! Yeah, I'd look at the stuff. And I may be interested in the calander. (I really hope i spelled that right.) Sarah ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 05 Dec 1999 13:50:36 PST Reason not emailing TPDIS or TPFICT often: Finals: Bane of all existence. Compounded with Grading - bane of all teachers. The wonders of grad school. You get the bad stuff from both directions. Still, I'm looking forward to winter break. Interest in the show dying? I plan on watching all the rest of the OS over break. :-) mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 05 Dec 1999 23:37:00 EST I am another who will want to see the video special and the clips. I would not be interested in a calendar. I am also interrested in fan fic and the fan fic list but I don't seem to be able to join correctly. Or have I? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: fan fic timeline Date: 05 Dec 1999 23:40:55 EST I am still not sure if this is the TP fan fic list or not but I thought people on both lists would like to see the shorter version of my timeline... THE TOMORROW PEOPLE 1970-John breaks out 1971-Carol breaks out 1972-Kenny breaks out April 1973-SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH-Stephen breaks out June 1973-THE MEDUSA STRAIN-Peter, Rubowski, Jedikiah form 2 July 1973-THE VANISHING EARTH-Sandor, Spridron, Steen 1973-THE VISITOR-novel 1973-an alternate version of THE iNVASION OF EARTH-look in comic 1973-THOR'S HAMMER-comic 1973-an alternate version of TIME WAITS-comic 1973-an alternate version of A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY-comic 1974-an alternate version of THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH-comic 1974- A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS-Jim Davis, aliens-comic 1974-Carol and Kenny leave the Earth for the Trig with Harry Steen Feb 1974-THE BLUE AND GREEN-Liz Mar 1974-A RIFT IN TIME-Peter, Xenon, Gaius, Coatus, Cawston, Garner April 1974-THE DOOMSDAY MEN-Douglas, Paul, Lee 1974-THE TP MEET THE CHAMPIONS-fan fic 1974-THE CASSANDRA CONSPIRACY-fan fic 1974-THE RIFT-fan fic-lost blond girl in hyper space-mutated 1974-THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH-Kenny said to be on Spyra mission-novel 1974-THE GREAT MOTHERS OF MATRA-Stephen's pet Bron-novel 1974-THE GURU-Jedikiah-novel 1974-THE PSEUDO MIKE-Mikkon, alien tries to destroy the TP-comic 1974-PROJECT GUARDIAN-comic 1974-JUST JEKK-Jekk, son of Jestor, both Zettarians-comic 1974-THE WAY TO THE STARS-Theres aliens pose as band Starway-comic 1974-FEELING IS SUCH A HARD THING TO DO-time travel-Nazis, WW2-comic 1974-THE BROTHER I NEVER HAD-John's brother Colin, 14th century-comic 1975-KRAMMED IN-Trivegan Kramm vs Tp on the Trig-comic 1975-THE JAUNTING PLANE-peace diplomat Nelson T. Ziegler, aliens-comic 1975-THE DOGS OF BAAL-devil-comic Feb 1975-SECRET WEAPON-Tricia, Col.Masters, Cawston, Tyso breaks 1975-THE MADNESS WAITS-HP Lovecraft, Cawston, America, New Eng-fanfic Mar 1975-WORLDS AWAY-Tyso's family, Timus, Vesh, Lenda, boy, Kulthan April 1975- A MAN FOR EMILY-Momma, Emily, Elmer 1975-THE INVASION OF EARTH-novel 1975-TIME WAITS-Tutor, Saiyan, Tyso's family-novel 1975-A MUCH NEED HOLIDAY-alternate universe version, or a time change-novel 1975-TEGON TACTICS-Thexian aliens-comic 1975-THE GORILLA GUERILLAS-Malkart, Sir Julian Maybury, Gagra-comic 1975-THE WAY TO WHAT?-the Wayfarer 2 spaceship-comic 1975-FROM THE LAND OF THE TINY-child Tom Lee has Miniix of Phari-comic 1975-THE COLDEST HOLIDAY OF ALL-ship near Jupiter, Ice Age-comic 1975-THE HOT HIKE-Step on the moors, heat wave revives aliens-comic 1975-DEADLY CREEPERS-Damon Jenkins, Philemon plant invasion-comic May 1975-REVENGE OF JEDIKIAH-going to the Trig, Tyso's family 1975-THE TRIAL OF THE TOMORROW PEOPLE-fan fic 1976-ONE GOOD SHOT-Prof. Klavish aims at the Trig-comic Jan 1976-ONE LAW-Mike breaks out, Dunning, Two Tone, Slow, Reg Burke,Thwaits 1976-NASCENT-fan fic 1976- A DOG OF A PLACE-dog with microfilm stolen from Trig-comic Feb 1976-INTO THE UNKNOWN-Vakkton, Tiryann, Kwaan, first mini TIM 1976-THE FACE OF A SPY-Mike in 1942 to stop drilling in London, Nazis-comic 1976-THE MYSTERY OF MYSTERIO-Prof. Ducros shrinks himself accident-comic 1976-A CHANGE OF SIDES-fan fic-Odin and Norse psi's, Chris leaves for a time 1976-THE HUNT AND THE HUNTED-Tyso was brainwashed by Kulthan-fanfic 1976-STAND BY FOR THE DEATH CRASH!-Neptune rocket -comic 1977- A GORILLA IN LONDON-Manga gorilla, zoo, brain control, agents-comic Feb 1977-THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS-Turner, Russians, Pavlov Mar 1977-A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY-Kleptons, Timus, Trig, Trog 1977-THE MALICE OF MASSIMO: RACE AGAINST TIME-text story, pics Mar 1977-THE HEART OF SOGGOTH-Soggoth, Jake, Mike's band, God 1977-THE TOMORROW TESH-Doctor and Leela, Tesh planet-fan fic 1977-DOCKING PROCEDURES-dead ship of Pheron G plays with weather-comic 1977-FROM HERE BUT SO FAR AWAY-Antor aliens released from icecap-comic 1977-SWITCHING PLACES-delegate Koober in London, TP at the Trig-comic July 1977-TRICKSTER-alien joker at seaside fair arrives in flying saucer-comic 1977-AHEAD OF HIS TIME-Mike goes to 2064 to avert crisis in 2065-comic 1977-FROM THE NIGHT SKY-3 afraid Zenuss aliens are on Earth, sad story-comic 1977-A GALACTIC CHRISTMAS-alien spy Lorian on Trig during X-Mas-comic 1977-NO PATENT ON WAR-Armerians and Kallians-comic? 1978-METEOR FROM SPACE-heads at Earth & can detonate missiles there-comic 1978-ROBOT VS. ROBOT-Starquestor 1 ship, robots, alien war-comic May 1978-THE LOST GODS-Hsue Tai breaks out 1978-Liz's dad goes to search for his wife in South Africa-fan fiction (ff) May 1978-HITLER'S LAST SECRET-Hitler III, boys who are really older 1978-PROJECT DEUTRON-Karnak alien-comic or text? June 1978-THE THARGON MENACE-Poppa Minn, Flynn and Sula Oct 1978 or 1979-CASTLE OF FEAR-Andrew breaks out, Loch Ness, Bruce Oct 1978 or 1979-ACHILLES' HEEL-Yagon, Glip, Cantor, Bruce 1979-SUMMONS-tele whale, Hsue Tai's Japanese grandfather-fan fiction Nov 1978 or 1979-THE LIVING SKINS-Bubbloids, Wilton ROBOT-annual story THE MEDRAN VISIT-annual THE DINOSAUR IS BACK-annual DEEP WATER-annual A CALL FROM BRANZA-annual CONSTERNATION-fan fic CHANCE ENCOUNTER-fan fic, alien girl CC meets Mike-ff Jan-Feb 1979 or 1980-WAR OF THE EMPIRES-Saucins, Thargons, Trig opens up THE PHANTOM OF CALIFORNIA-fan fiction, STEPHEN ON WALL STREET-fan fiction, Andrew, Stephen attacked-ff A MUCH UNNEEDED HOLIDAY-Mike in Prisoner's Village-fan fiction NEVER TOO LATE FOR SMALL OAKS-time tracks altered-fan fic AMPLIFIER-fan fic from Kate Orman, evil telepath, new break outs-fan fic 1980s-lot of fan fiction about these ten years 1981-1982-DREAMS OF DESTINY-fan fiction novel 1990-1992- fan fiction Nov 1992-NEW TOMORROW PEOPLE-alt. universe-Lisa, Kevin, Adam, Megabyte Jan 1994-THE CULEX EXPERIMENT-Ami Jackson Feb 1994-MONSOON MAN- Jan 1995-THE RAMESES CONNECTION- Feb 1995-THE LIVING STONES- 1992-beyond to the end of time-fan fiction, spinoffs, Time Guardians, far future ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: fan fic timeline Date: 06 Dec 1999 15:47:38 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > I am still not sure if this is the TP fan fic list or not but > I thought > people on both lists would like to see the shorter version of > my timeline... Um... you mention a 'fanfiction novels' in the timeline (Dreams of Destiny). Just curious - what makes this a novel? Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fic timeline Date: 05 Dec 1999 23:50:18 EST DREAMS OF DESTINY is a novel because it is about (not sure of the actual page count) 1000 pages. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: fan fic timeline Date: 06 Dec 1999 15:56:27 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > DREAMS OF DESTINY is a novel because it is about (not sure of > the actual page > count) 1000 pages. I really can't see that that deserves the title of novel (-8 (although it is certainly an impressive size). According to some definitions, I know it's size that matters - but I've very rarely heard shorter fanfic described as a 'short story' - merely as fanfic. The legal position relating to fanfic is *very* shaky (ie. non-existant) and I'm not sure calling a piece of totally unofficial fanwork a novel is very safe from a legal standpoint - it seems to me to imply too much. Of course that just may be me (Darn you Dabrowski!) I'd be interested to know what the word count on that story is - page count can mean so many things. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fic timeline Date: 06 Dec 1999 00:02:56 EST Well the writer and the distributor (both fans in fan clubs only) of the fan club promoted it as a novel so that is why I called it a novel. Certainly it is at least the size of five to six novels. And it is so good. It deserved a better distribution and a better proofreading. The artwork cover was fantastic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 06 Dec 1999 20:08:49 GMT > Hey folks where have you all gone, jaunted off to the Trig or something? Part of the culture of this list. Quite for a while, busy for a while ... > on a more serious note... having not heard from anyone on tpdis in a > while I wondered whether your liking for the show was fading. I am about > to spend a lot of valuable time and money editing the 25th anniversary > video and may even have to buy special equipment in order to upload the > clips. Is it still worth it? Will any of you apart from Shaun, Wendy, > Beth and Arpi to look at it? Shall I bother at all? I'd look. I have had someone e-mail *me* about it in the last few days - where he heard about it I'm not sure. Incidentally there is to be a new CITV SF series in the new year which features 'a new strain of human - a bi product of genetic engineering - "senders", who have advanced telepathic abilities, including ability to hijack other people's minds'. Je -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: TPDIS: Video News Date: 06 Dec 1999 22:30:36 +0000 Hi, I seem to have stirred the list up a bit with my late night post last week. I know you are all still interested in TP and are waiting eagerly to see the clips. Now for the bad news :( I had planned to edit the tapes tomorrow but Richard is no longer available. I need to go round and do the tape to tape transfer at his house, but he will not be free for at least another week. This is putting the window of opportunity *very* close to christmas. I just don't think I'll have time to get it sorted, converted to US standared and posted to Wendy before the new year. I'm sorry about this folks, if I could teleport life would be a whole lot easier. I'll keep you all updated on how things are going. Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Video News Date: 07 Dec 1999 10:08:18 +1100 > From: Jackie Newman [mailto:jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk] > > > Hi, > I seem to have stirred the list up a bit with my late night post last > week. I know you are all still interested in TP and are > waiting eagerly > to see the clips. > > Now for the bad news :( I had planned to edit the tapes tomorrow but > Richard is no longer available. I need to go round and do the tape to > tape transfer at his house, but he will not be free for at > least another > week. This is putting the window of opportunity *very* close to > christmas. I just don't think I'll have time to get it > sorted, converted > to US standared and posted to Wendy before the new year. I'm > sorry about > this folks, if I could teleport life would be a whole lot easier. Jackie, speaking for myself - and I suspect for most of the people on this list - *DON'T APOLOGISE!* (-8 We really appreciate what you're trying to do and won't accept any apologies from you if it takes a while (-8 Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.wiltsie@att.net Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 06 Dec 1999 19:43:27 +0000 Hey, Mike. Where did you get the OS episodes? Do you do copies? Is there specific person or company that does it. Please let me know. John > Reason not emailing TPDIS or TPFICT often: > > Finals: Bane of all existence. > Compounded with Grading - bane of all teachers. > > The wonders of grad school. You get the bad stuff from both directions. > > Still, I'm looking forward to winter break. Interest in the show dying? I > plan on watching all the rest of the OS over break. :-) > > mike > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.wiltsie@att.net Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fic timeline Date: 06 Dec 1999 19:47:23 +0000 I have a friend wanting to join the TP web ring. What email address does she have to send her address to join. Thank you for letting me know. Johnneye ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Romana3@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: fan fiction and stuff Date: 06 Dec 1999 21:29:02 EST I haven't QUITE resorted to Doctor Who, but I am a fan of that show too... That and I don't have any TP tapes to watch... ::sniff:: That and College aps, keep me busy. Any who, The calendar, and the tape both sound really interesting, and I would like to hear more about them. BTW, I was starting to think that everyone went on an early winter holiday... Guess I was wrong.. Kristin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: TPDIS: YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Date: 07 Dec 1999 19:22:27 +1100 *Shaun does backflips across the front of the list* *Shaun screams in glee* *Shaun punches the air in delight* *Shaun does more backflips* (For those of you who don't know Shaun, this is sort of similar to John acting like this - rather out of character) I'VE GOT A TP ANNUAL. *Shaun calms down* Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 07 Dec 1999 19:05:14 +0000 I was just thinking through some ideas for my tp story. What would it feel like to live in close proximity to lots of other tp's? This raised a few questions and I'd like to hear your opinions. 1. Are there different telepathic frequencies so that you could direct a particular thought towards a particular person e.g. a member of your family? 2. Would you sense other's appearing and disappearing all around you, and if so what range would this have? i.e. could you sense someone teleporting into the next room, house or street? what range do psi powers have? 3. If you shielded private thoughts, would another person know you were keeping something from them? what form would such a shield take? 4. What sort of rules would need to be in place to prevent chaos e.g. privacy in the bathroom? I have ideas on all of these already as I have been thinking about a tp school for many years. Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vivian Arney" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:13:58 PST On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 19:05:14 +0000, Jackie Newman wrote: > I was just thinking through some ideas for my tp story. What would it > feel like to live in close proximity to lots of other tp's? > > This raised a few questions and I'd like to hear your opinions. > > 1. Are there different telepathic frequencies so that you could direct a > particular thought towards a particular person e.g. a member of your > family? I had pretty much assumed that you could speak privately to other tps just by thinking to that person - I don't know whether "frequency" would be the right term, but I don't think it's not too far off. Of course, if you go by what we've seen in the series there is definitely a way to broadcast either narrow "beam" to reach a specific person or "broadband" to reach several people. It also depends on whether you're using Star Trek's version of telepathy (Betazed, etc,) where they can read everybody or the Tomorrow People's version which means they can't read non-telepaths and only each other. > 2. Would you sense other's appearing and disappearing all around you, > and if so what range would this have? i.e. could you sense someone > teleporting into the next room, house or street? what range do psi > powers have? I tend to think they can tell when another tp is near if they concentrate, but they can also sneak up on each other too if they get distracted - remember Kenny flying off the jaunting pad and nearly knocking Carol over. I think Tim would be more aware of their coming and going than the individual tps > 3. If you shielded private thoughts, would another person know you were > keeping something from them? what form would such a shield take? Stephen was aware that Tricia was "scanning" him and shut her out so I think it's very possible to "shield" private thoughts. I think in a telepathic society that mental barriers would be one of the first things taught and mental privacy one of the most respected rules - I think that would be a bit beyond eavesdropping. > 4. What sort of rules would need to be in place to prevent chaos e.g. > privacy in the bathroom? Same as any household, I would think. Respect others' privacy. Close the door when doing "private" things and don't peek! This would also pretain to sex. Of course, it would get interesting if somebody's control slipped at an intimate moment and everybody else was affected. Tia's Pals' Press c/o Vivian Arney P.O. Box 4187 Austin, Tx 78765-4187 We've been selling Fanfiction, memorabilia and books for twelve years. SASE for more info. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 07 Dec 1999 20:19:10 +0000 > > 4. What sort of rules would need to be in place to prevent chaos e.g. > > privacy in the bathroom? > > Same as any household, I would think. Respect others' privacy. Close the > door when doing "private" things and don't peek! This would also pretain to > sex. Of course, it would get interesting if somebody's control slipped at > an intimate moment and everybody else was affected. Have you read any of the fan fiction by Christopher Murch which is in the archive? He deals with these sort of issues ;) I'm assuming you are old enough to read it hehe some people on this list are not! Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vivian Arney" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 07 Dec 1999 12:32:44 PST On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:19:10 +0000, Jackie Newman wrote: > > > > 4. What sort of rules would need to be in place to prevent chaos e.g. > > > privacy in the bathroom? > > > > Same as any household, I would think. Respect others' privacy. Close the > > door when doing "private" things and don't peek! This would also pretain to > > sex. Of course, it would get interesting if somebody's control slipped at > > an intimate moment and everybody else was affected. > > Have you read any of the fan fiction by Christopher Murch which is in > the archive? He deals with these sort of issues ;) > > I'm assuming you are old enough to read it hehe some people on this list > are not! I started writing TP fanfiction back in 1982 not long after I got hooked on the series - I have several stories in print and two crossover novels The Mind Over Matter Affair - Tomorrow People/Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Cooperative Venture - Tomorrow People/Zorro I'm collecting short stories for a zine called "Mind Music" and hope to get back to work on "The Leave Yesterday Behind Affair" once the dust has settled from my recent move. Also have a Knight Rider/TP novel and a TP/Salem witch trials story in the works. as I said, I've been at this a long time. viv Tia's Pals' Press c/o Vivian Arney P.O. Box 4187 Austin, Tx 78765-4187 We've been selling Fanfiction, memorabilia and books for twelve years. SASE for more info. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 07 Dec 1999 13:55:46 PST Some very interesting questions. It reminds me of my first big pagan gathering (which was just this year). I was at a campsite with 400 other pagans. Normally, in a crowd you only 'spot' maybe 1 in 50 that might be 'one of us'. At this place, the majority of the people there gave off a 'vibe'. So, I can kind of give some real-life equivalences to some of these. >1. Are there different telepathic frequencies so that you could direct a >particular thought towards a particular person e.g. a member of your >family? I don't see why not. There are many different wavelengths for radio and TV transmission, why not telepathy. > >2. Would you sense other's appearing and disappearing all around you, >and if so what range would this have? i.e. could you sense someone >teleporting into the next room, house or street? what range do psi >powers have? Tends to vary from person to person in my experience. And some people have odd limitations (either self-imposed or otherwise). Some people can only sense things within line of sight. Others have a range of maybe a mile, or more. I suppose you could easily have a range of strengths and skills for psi detection. > >3. If you shielded private thoughts, would another person know you were >keeping something from them? what form would such a shield take? In my experience, the only way to tell someone is shielding is if you're actively probing them. I've known people to cast all sorts of different shields. Everything from spheres of light to blazing blue flame pentacles. Geometric patterns I think are neat. Geodesic domes are pretty cool, but my particular favorite shape is a pyramid. > >4. What sort of rules would need to be in place to prevent chaos e.g. >privacy in the bathroom? > Never jaunt into someone's bathroom or bedroom without 'pathing first. :-) later mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 07 Dec 1999 18:19:05 EST In a message dated 99-12-07 14:09:55 EST, you write: > 1. Are there different telepathic frequencies so that you could direct a > particular thought towards a particular person e.g. a member of your > family? I would think so. In Secret Weapon, when Trisha hears John "talking" to.. TIM, I think it was, she says "I heard you that time," to which he replies "I meant you to," implying that it's controlled. > 2. Would you sense other's appearing and disappearing all around you, > and if so what range would this have? i.e. could you sense someone > teleporting into the next room, house or street? what range do psi > powers have? I'd think that you could tell within a room or two of where you are. It would really depend on how frequently people jaunted, though. If it was rare, it might be easier to notice than if people do it constantly. > 3. If you shielded private thoughts, would another person know you were > keeping something from them? what form would such a shield take? Can the TP pry into each other's minds without permission? I don't know if that was ever established. I'd think that if they could, they'd notice a shied. I don't really know what you mean by "what form," sorry. > 4. What sort of rules would need to be in place to prevent chaos e.g. > privacy in the bathroom? They could have a psi-dampener in bathrooms, perhaps with a "panic button" that would shut it down if there was a fire or something of the sort. Of course, there are always those who might have too much fun with that ;) -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 08 Dec 1999 12:49:12 +1100 > From: Jackie Newman [mailto:jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk] > > I was just thinking through some ideas for my tp story. What would it > feel like to live in close proximity to lots of other tp's? > > This raised a few questions and I'd like to hear your opinions. > > 1. Are there different telepathic frequencies so that you > could direct a > particular thought towards a particular person e.g. a member of your > family? I would hope so - otherwise no telepathic society could last. It might be possible to handle it when there are only a few people around - but once you had large numbers of people all communicating on the same frequency it would be overpowering. Note that in the Blue and the Green, Elizabeth definitely overheard some of John and Stephen's conversations - Stephen specifically asks that when she's talking to him about imaginary friends. But she doesn't seem to me to have heard all of their conversations - some of which are about her. > 2. Would you sense other's appearing and disappearing all around you, > and if so what range would this have? i.e. could you sense someone > teleporting into the next room, house or street? what range do psi > powers have? I personally don't think they can sense other TP jaunting. I'm not sure I can think of any direct evidence of that - although the Heart of Sogguth where John and Liz carry on their jaunting stun gun battle, they do appear to not know where the other has jaunted to until they see each other. > 3. If you shielded private thoughts, would another person > know you were > keeping something from them? what form would such a shield take? I'd say definitely - in Secret Weapon, Tricia mentions that she can tell Liz is hiding something from her so they do know if you are trying to block. But *most* TP can't read minds anyway - Pavla can, but it's specifically mentioned that the others can not. > 4. What sort of rules would need to be in place to prevent chaos e.g. > privacy in the bathroom? Normal rules of decency - don't enter unless you know it's empty. I think it would be accepted practice that you never jaunt into a private place - instead you arrive outside and enter in a conventional fashion to avoid disturbing someone. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. 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But she doesn't seem to me to have heard all of their conversations - some of which are about her. >> I believe they were allowing her to. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 08 Dec 1999 15:30:44 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > In a message dated 99-12-07 22:38:13 EST, you write: > > << Elizabeth definitely overheard some of > John and Stephen's conversations - Stephen specifically asks > that when she's > talking to him about imaginary friends. But she doesn't seem > to me to have > heard all of their conversations - some of which are about her. >> > > > I believe they were allowing her to. In some cases, possibly - but I don't think they are to start with. I'm referring to a discussion fairly early in the Blue and the Green where Elizabeth asks to speak to Stephen and mentions that when she was his age, she had imaginary friends who se talked to (raises interesting possibilities). She mentions that she can hear John (and TIM, I think - although if so, I don't think she should be able to). Stephen seems to me to be quite surprised that she can hear John. At this stage, while the possibility that she is a TP has been raised, neither John and Stephen are sure enough of what is happening to give us any sign they are deliberately trying to let her hear their communications. I'll have to look at it again tonight - but this is my impression. Bear in mind that at this time, as far as they know, John and Stephen are the only broken out TP on Earth. As such they have no need to be shielding their thoughts or communicating on an intimate channel - if no one can hear you, why trouble yourself with private communication? I don't think it's so much that they are allowing her to hear them - they are merely taking no action to stop her. Because they have no reason to think *anyone* can hear them, they have no need to mask their private conversation. Just MHO - and I'll have to check it out (which means watching TB&TG again - what a chore!) Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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I'm not sure about Tyso - I know we see him prior to breakout but I can't remember if he's hearing their voices or merely in distress. The other TP hear Mike prior to breakout - but I can't remember any reference to him hearing them until they made contact. With Hsui Tai, she could see through Mike's eyes - but I can't remember her actually hearing his voice until he tried to communicate with her. The others can see Andrew's images but I don't think he hears their voices prior to breakout. I could be in error on all of these - I haven't had time to rewatch much TP recently. I'm just not certain there's evidence that they definitely 'hear' the other TP prior to breakout. But even if they did, it certainly doesn't preclude there being a mode of telepathy which can be targeted at certain people - it just strengthens the idea that there is a wider form as well. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 08 Dec 1999 06:15:39 -0800 Hately, Shaun wrote: > I'm not sure about Tyso - I know we see him prior to breakout but I can't > remember if he's hearing their voices or merely in distress. The other TP > hear Mike prior to breakout - but I can't remember any reference to him > hearing them until they made contact. With Hsui Tai, she could see through > Mike's eyes - but I can't remember her actually hearing his voice until he > tried to communicate with her. The others can see Andrew's images but I > don't think he hears their voices prior to breakout. Tyso definitely heard voices before he had physical contact with the TP - I remember him rolling around on his bed and hearing the voices of the TP linking in an attempt to contact him from the lab. I'm not sure if that's before, after, or during breakout, especially since his work with Professor Cawston seems to complicate things in that he was sought out for his special powers before they were naturally discovered by him. Although IIRC, the Professor was able to find him because of his special brainwave patters, which, although it's completely off topic, is kind of interesting because it shows that those patterns are exhibited prior to breakout. -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: TPDIS: Archive locations Date: 08 Dec 1999 12:14:25 -0700 The TPFICT archive is located at http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/TPFICT/ The Galactic Federation Communications Hub (which includes the archive for TPDIS) is at http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/gftch/ Additionally, there's a FAQ available on the TPFICT archive that explains, among other things, how to subscribe to either or both of the mailing lists. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Date: 08 Dec 1999 15:55:39 +0000 >I'VE GOT A TP ANNUAL. Um, please forgive me if I sound really stupid, but what is that? Whatever the case, that's great! :) Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Date: 09 Dec 1999 09:41:48 +1100 > From: SapphireSky [mailto:lebeaux5@monad.net] > > >I'VE GOT A TP ANNUAL. > > Um, please forgive me if I sound really stupid, but what is that? > Whatever the case, that's great! :) An annual is a particular type of book put out once a year. It's mostly a British tradition. Many of them are themed around one particular thing - a particular sport or magazine or TV show. A Tomorrow People Annual was put out in 1979 - it contains pictures, short TP stories, TP comics, magic tricks you can use to fool your friends into thinking you're a TP, etc. So it's a hardcover magazine sized book devoted to the TP. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Communal living Date: 09 Dec 1999 12:36:12 +1100 > From: Ariana Brill [mailto:saylormars@mail.com] > > Hately, Shaun wrote: > > Tyso definitely heard voices before he had physical contact > with the TP > - I remember him rolling around on his bed and hearing the > voices of the > TP linking in an attempt to contact him from the lab. I'm not sure if > that's before, after, or during breakout, especially since > his work with > Professor Cawston seems to complicate things in that he was sought out > for his special powers before they were naturally discovered by him. > Although IIRC, the Professor was able to find him because of > his special > brainwave patters, which, although it's completely off topic, > is kind of > interesting because it shows that those patterns are > exhibited prior to > breakout. Yes - but are they always? I think it's Steen in The Vanishing Earth - he says something along the lines of 'If your planet follows the normal path of evolution, most of the children on this planet are potential Tomorrow People.' And The Visitor mentions the collapse of thousands of children after Arlon lets out a mental scream which suggests all of these are potential TP. Professor Cawston mentions he had measured the brainwaves of hundreds of kids and only Tyso and Stephen had shared the wedge shaped pattern. Maybe the pattern only appears a relatively short time (weeks or months) prior to breakout? Or it represents the start of break out (before any other signs are apparent). Tyso doesn't fully break out until the end of Secret Weapon - he can't jaunt and TIM says it's because he isn't yet completely broken out. So I'd say his hearing the voices (I couldn't remember if he actually heard voices or just random sound) at the start must have occurred during the process. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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I bid for one for sale in Glasgow on e-bay - then I made arrangements with someone in the UK for whom I have copied some tapes for him to pay for it instead of sending me money (it worked out cheaper for both of us - what with the cost of currency conversion etc - than with me sening money to Glasgow for the book, and him sending money here for the tapes). The Annual arrived the other day - it must have jaunted from the UK (five days). I don't think my tapes have arrived in the UK yet - but they are on their way. *Shaun has copied so many tapes over the past few weeks - an extra set for someone who's previous set I sent them never arrived inspires though of international conspiracy to deprive world of TP knowledge... or to bankrupt Shaun by making him make extra tapes!)* Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. 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(Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trina L. Short" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 16:42:53 -0500 Jackie Newman wrote: >=20 > Could someone please tell me what sort of accent Megabyte has, it's been > so long since I last saw any N/S Canadian=2E Is that good enough? :) -- trinalin =A91999 ACME Page Fillers, Inc=2E http://www=2Epagefillers=2Ecom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 21:47:23 +0000 "Trina L. Short" wrote: > > Jackie Newman wrote: > > > > Could someone please tell me what sort of accent Megabyte has, it's been > > so long since I last saw any N/S > > Canadian. Is that good enough? :) > -- > trinalin I'd like more of a detailed description please. It's for my latest story. BTW do you think he would be able to bluff his way posing as a lawyer? He would be much older than he was during the series, could he pull it off? thanks again Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 09:11:52 +1100 > From: Jackie Newman [mailto:jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk] > > > I'd like more of a detailed description please. It's for my latest > story. BTW do you think he would be able to bluff his way posing as a > lawyer? He would be much older than he was during the series, could he > pull it off? Describing accents over e-mail is a little hard. I can't pin it regionally (I assume Canadian is accurate) but he really has a fairly non-descript voice. No clashing noices that grate on your ears. He's well spoken and very clear. Do I think he could bluff his way as a lawyer? Definitely. He has the chutzpah to bluff his way through anything - and confidence is the most important factor in any bluff. I'd say he has that in spades. His only problem might be a tendency to over act - but if he could control that, he could pass for anything, IMHO. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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He would be much older than he was during the series, could he > pull it off? Certainly. Especially at an age where he'd be mature enough to play it down a bit. He did rather well when he bustled into that auditions office in Living Stones. Speaking of which, was anyone else surprised to hear him seamlessly combining several of Shakespeare's most famous soliloquies in that scene? On the other hand, though, would he know any of the legal jargon? -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 10:29:46 +1100 > From: AgentRacerX@cs.com [mailto:AgentRacerX@cs.com] > > Really? I never thought so. Could just be me, though. If > you're interested > in region, he's supposed to be from Vermont, and I know that > that area of the > US often sounds differently than you'd expect. I have a > teacher from around > there who sounds rather British. Go figure. Well, Megabyte is from Vermont - but CT is from Canada, so the accent confusion is hardly surprising... Of course, to me, it makes no difference. Canadians sound like Americans anyway (Shaun ducks the onslaughts of enraged Canadians). > Certainly. Especially at an age where he'd be mature enough > to play it down > a bit. He did rather well when he bustled into that > auditions office in > Living Stones. Speaking of which, was anyone else surprised > to hear him > seamlessly combining several of Shakespeare's most famous > soliloquies in that > scene? On the other hand, though, would he know any of the > legal jargon? Heh - that's the bit that makes me feel he needs to watch the overacting. No, it didn't surprise me to see him combine the soliloquies like that - all of the bits he combined are very well known quotes from Shakespeare and to me it just smacked of someone trying to stick together all the little bits he could retrieve from the back of his brain - they combined well, but those quotes are fairly standard. It's why I think he could bluff well, though - to have the sheer gall to try that, and to act with so little knowledge, really shows his confidence. As for the legal jargon - there's a lot of lawyers don't understand it either (-8. Seriously, you only need a bit of knowledge and a lot of confidence in order to pass yourself off as anything. It won't always work - but it certainly can. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. 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If I had to place him, I would say it would be east coast - probably northern, perhaps New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, etc. I could be altogether off, though. Out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know where Christian Tessier was born or grew up? -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 20:07:21 EST In a message dated 99-12-13 19:20:13 EST, you write: > I *definitely* don't think Megabyte has a Canadian accent. I could be > very wrong (I've never even been to Canada!) but I don't recall him ever > using the dead-giveaway Canada-isms (such as 'oo' pronunciations of 'ou' > words). If I had to place him, I would say it would be east coast - > probably northern, perhaps New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, > etc. I could be altogether off, though. Out of curiosity, does anyone > happen to know where Christian Tessier was born or grew up? I agree with Arpi-chan. Megabyte has no accent that I can hear, which means he probably has mine--east coast/New England American. Or maybe it's because I hear his thoughts, not his words ;) -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 20:48:00 EST In a message dated 12/13/99 8:07:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Latimer84@aol.com writes: > If I had to place him, I would say it would be east coast - > > probably northern, perhaps New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, > > etc. I could be altogether off, though. I would agree with either of the first two. He doesn't have a NJ accent. I spend my summers there and we make fun of each other's accents the whole time I would seriously doubt Ohio, as well. > I agree with Arpi-chan. Megabyte has no accent that I can hear, which means > he probably has mine--east coast/New England American. I'd agree. I don't hear an accent either, so NY is possible, as well. Keep him out of Brooklyn or Long Island, though. :::pauses to consider Megabyte speaking with a Brooklyn accent::: Jeepers. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 20:29:05 -0700 At 04:19 PM 13/12/99 -0800, Ariana wrote: >I *definitely* don't think Megabyte has a Canadian accent. I could be >very wrong (I've never even been to Canada!) but I don't recall him ever >using the dead-giveaway Canada-isms (such as 'oo' pronunciations of 'ou' >words). Oh the old oot and aboot instead of out and about thing. Nobody I know talks like that - except maybe the Maritimers, but they have a lot of Scots and Irish in their accents. Most Canadians do sound pretty much like northern Americans. Not as flat as mid-west, not as nasal as Boston. > If I had to place him, I would say it would be east coast - >probably northern, perhaps New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, >etc. I could be altogether off, though. Out of curiosity, does anyone >happen to know where Christian Tessier was born or grew up? Ontario. I have a recollection from someplace that it was Kingston (about 4 hours drive east of Toronto), but I could easily be wrong. It's a university town, and I doubt you'd come out of it with much of an accent (although I knew one guy with a very plummy BBC accent... I always thought he must have come from England, until I met someone who'd gone to high school with him in Kingston and was told that he hadn't had the accent then). Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 20:15:17 -0700 At 09:11 AM 14/12/99 +1100, Shaun wrote: >Describing accents over e-mail is a little hard. I can't pin it regionally >(I assume Canadian is accurate) but he really has a fairly non-descript >voice. No clashing noices that grate on your ears. He's well spoken and very >clear. Canadians do not have accents. Americans have accents (some of them, anyway). The British have accents. Australians have accents. Canadians sound normal ;). Except for the Newfies and the francophones - they have accents. I heard a dialect coach on the radio once, explaining how to teach Canadians to speak like Americans - as I recall, it mostly had to do with slowing down the vowels, unless you have to get into Southern or Texas or Boston accents. Watch a few episodes of Due South and take note of how Constable Fraser speaks. I'd say CT sounds relatively close (as I recall - been some time since I watched my only NS tape, the Origin Story). The actor who plays Fraser, Paul Gross, is from Calgary, but he has a nice non-regional Canadian sound. The second Ray is played by a Canadian (Calum Keith Rennie), as is Fraser's supervisor, Thatcher. So is most of the rest of the cast, especially if they're wearing red suits. Actually, Chicago is mostly played by Toronto, too, but I don't think that will help. Examples of other Canadians (or in some cases, former Canadians) who may currently be easily accessible on tv or video: Michael J. Fox, Leslie Nielsen, William Shatner, Michael Ironside, Wendy Crewson, Megan Follows (Anne of Green Gables), Matthew Perry (Friends), Pamela Anderson Lee (eeuw), Alex Trebek (do you get Jeopardy over there?), Matt Frewer (Max Headroom, Psi Factor), Geraint Wyn Davies (Forever Knight - another show mostly populated by Canadian actors, which won my heart for actually being set in Canada and not pretending to be some generic US city), John Candy, Martin Short, Mike Myers (when he isn't in an Austin Powers movie - his accents are all over the place in those). I wouldn't worry too much about getting CT's accent right in a story - CT may be Canadian, but Megabyte isn't - he's American. In print (or whatever you want to call this electronic stuff), go for slang and regional colloquialisms, not accents, unless you're dealing with a REALLY strong accent (Scottish, southern US, etc.). In fact, unless readers are familiar with the correct accent, they'll substitute what they're familiar with anyway. I once read an e-mail message from an American who thought it was fine to cast American actors in the Harry Potter movie, because that's how the voices sounded to her in her head when she read the books. Mind you, she was very young and was desperately trying to find out how to get information on where they were having casting calls so she could put herself forward to play Hermione... Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 14:42:31 +1100 > From: jane starr [mailto:starr@planet.eon.net] > > Canadians do not have accents. Americans have accents (some of them, > anyway). The British have accents. Australians have > accents. Canadians > sound normal ;). Except for the Newfies and the francophones > - they have > accents. I heard a dialect coach on the radio once, > explaining how to > teach Canadians to speak like Americans - as I recall, it > mostly had to do > with slowing down the vowels, unless you have to get into > Southern or Texas > or Boston accents. Nah - you've got it wrong. It's Australians who don't have accents. (Unfortunately, this isn't always a joke - I've had to deal with an American recently who truly insisted American's don't have accents - she couldn't seem to grasp that everyone does). Hmm - to keep this TP related. Is there accent involved in telepathy? I don't mean in the sense of regional accents with telepathic voices sounding like a persons vocal voice (although that is possible) but variations caused by proximity and time. For example - when an NS TP is communicating with an OS TP would they be able to discern the others' telepathic accent? It seems to me possible, given that they developed this method of communication independently of each other - I guess it depends on how structured telepathy is, if it allows for any variation. > I once read an e-mail message from an American who > thought it was > fine to cast American actors in the Harry Potter movie, > because that's how > the voices sounded to her in her head when she read the > books. Mind you, > she was very young and was desperately trying to find out how to get > information on where they were having casting calls so she could put > herself forward to play Hermione... Uurgh. I know personally, four kids who want to be Hermione in the movie, six who want to be Harry, one who wants to be Ron, two who want to be Malfoy (scary) and three who want *me* to be Hagrid. Now - why couldn't all these kids get caught up in TPdom - we'd have it back on TV in no time (interesting factoid - the author of the HP books, Rowling, is a TP fan...) Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 22:03:55 -0600 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: >three who want *me* to be Hagrid. If you're gonna act, Dumbledore, definitely. They'd have to make you up to look older though. (A Harry Potter movie? Ugh. Can't they leave well enough alone?) > Now - why couldn't all these kids get caught up in TPdom - we'd have it back > on TV in no time (interesting factoid - the author of the HP books, Rowling, > is a TP fan...) Hmm... not that I'll get to it, oh, *ever* but why does this suddenly tempt me to write a TP/HP xover? A TP fan? I'm gonna have to reread the books with that in mind. Why, I'm not sure. Just sort of have the inkling.... (It's official, it's a phenomenon!) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 20:06:42 PST >Canadians do not have accents. Americans have accents (some of them, >anyway). The British have accents. Australians have accents. Canadians >sound normal ;). Everyone has an accent when put in a situation where you speak differently from others. I have canadian friends and their accent sounds so strong to me, but that's just because they are surrounded by Australian accents. I'm sure Megabyte would love all the confusion his accent has caused :) just don't let him and Andrew get into accent conversations. Rachael with an A :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 15:10:50 +1100 > From: Rachael Bailey [mailto:hera101@hotmail.com] > > I'm sure Megabyte would love all the confusion his accent has > caused :) just > don't let him and Andrew get into accent conversations. Which brings up the interesting question - which is more convincing? Andrew's Scots accent, or his American accent (as heard in TWOE)? Also - thinking about my earlier question relating to telepathic accents, it seems that there might be some clues to this in Lisa and Adams exchange in the ship at the start of the Origin Story (I *still* prefer the title 'A New Beginning' for that serial!). Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 15:18:25 +1100 > From: Beth A Epstein [mailto:tptigger42@earthlink.net] > > "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > >three who want *me* to be Hagrid. > If you're gonna act, Dumbledore, definitely. They'd have to > make you up > to look older though. No, these kids have someone else in mind for Dumbledore - and I agree, he'd be perfect (just a man we all know). They think I'd make a good Hagrid (-8. Oh well, it could be worse - they could want me to be You-Know-Who. (-8 > (A Harry Potter movie? Ugh. Can't they leave well enough alone?) Major publishing phenomena? Millions of juvenile fans? Tigger - could you be so naive as to believe the movie companies would pass that up (actually, I suspect the movie will be a pretty good adaptation, given some of the things I have read about the plans). > > Now - why couldn't all these kids get caught up in TPdom - > we'd have it back > > on TV in no time (interesting factoid - the author of the > HP books, Rowling, > > is a TP fan...) > Hmm... not that I'll get to it, oh, *ever* but why does this suddenly > tempt me to write a TP/HP xover? "Hey - how did the quaffle do that?" "Kevin - how many times do you have to be told!?! Using TK to catch the snitch is not allowed!" Actually, I now have these visions of General Damon getting involved in an investigation into Hogwarts ("A wierd school full of wierd kids.") and the expression on his face after Fred and George Weasley decide to make his investigation more interesting... Now I want to write a HP/TP crossover! I'm ruined! > A TP fan? I'm gonna have to reread the books with that in mind. Why, > I'm not sure. Just sort of have the inkling.... You really need an excuse to reread HP? Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Beth A Epstein Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 22:40:35 -0600 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > > (A Harry Potter movie? Ugh. Can't they leave well enough alone?) > > Major publishing phenomena? Millions of juvenile fans? Tigger - could you be > so naive as to believe the movie companies would pass that up Could be worse. Nickelodeon. You've seen the horror that is Animorphs-TV (and we won't mention they're probably responsible for some of the sillier aspects of the new series TP, except to keep this on topic) now if I could convince you to read the books, which are good.... (And since I know at least Wendy's wondering: I have started the Animorphs/TP xover. RC2 is top priority at the moment-- until I get distracted, anyway.:) > (actually, I > suspect the movie will be a pretty good adaptation, given some of the things > I have read about the plans). 1st choice to adapt it: JK Rowling 2nd choice: Roger Price. General principals. > > > Now - why couldn't all these kids get caught up in TPdom - > > we'd have it back > > > on TV in no time Nah, too easy. :) We have to buy the rights and then beg SFC! > "Hey - how did the quaffle do that?" "Kevin - how many times do you have to > be told!?! Using TK to catch the snitch is not allowed!" TK? Hmm, Mike and Andrew vs Harry and someone at Quddich. *giggle* To bad that one requires temporal anomolies. > Actually, I now have these visions of General Damon getting involved in an > investigation into Hogwarts ("A wierd school full of wierd kids.") If he can find it, Muggle and all. Unless Millie goes there! and the > expression on his face after Fred and George Weasley decide to make his > investigation more interesting... Now I want to write a HP/TP crossover! I'm > ruined! Why? (Hmm, I smell collaboration! Though I think it would be more fun if Damon stumbled on Charlie Weasley chasing Dragons in Africa while Harry, Ron, and Hermoine (sp?) were visiting.) Though Megabyte teamed up with those three and maybe Jade? Oh, dear, poor Adam. Better send him extra pain killers. :) > > A TP fan? I'm gonna have to reread the books with that in mind. Why, > > I'm not sure. Just sort of have the inkling.... > > You really need an excuse to reread HP? At least 'til I no longer have to bum copies off my friend Anne. And how long that'll be depends on whether I decide the British versions are worth the extra cash. (Jumper vs sweater and philospher's stone vs sorcerer's stone are the only differences I've found so far. I have Anne's copy of Chamber of Secrets, which is the one my Mum has the British version of.) Hmm, me, confirmed anglophile? Yeah, I blame it on Roger Price. (Double checks post. Yup, lots of TP refs, OK, good. :) Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ariana Brill Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 20:59:47 -0800 "Hately, Shaun" wrote: > Which brings up the interesting question - which is more convincing? > Andrew's Scots accent, or his American accent (as heard in TWOE)? I can't really say much for his Scots accent, but his American accent was half decent although he did come out sounding rather southern and quirky even for that. Which brings me to something I've been wondering for a very long time - why does every British actor who attempts an American accent end up sounding southern!? -- (~.~) Ariana "Fantasy is hardly an escape from reality. It's a way of understanding it." - Lloyd Alexander saylormars@mail.com ICQ 9737939 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 13 Dec 1999 23:16:31 -0600 Arpi asked: > >why does every British actor who attempts an American accent end up > sounding southern!? Two primary reasons: Mostly it has to do with both how long the vowels (especially the /a/ vowels) are held and their quality (where exactly they're made in the mouth). British English and American Standard English don't have corresponding vowel sets. But the British vowel set is much closer to the Southern American English set than it is to any other. It also has to do with the timing and placement of the letter /r/. British English has a lot of "r-drop" rules -- which means the letter is dropped from pronunciation in certain circumstances. Southern English has similiar rules, whereas Standard English doesn't drop the sound at all (and, in fact, has three different /r/ pronuncations). To put the sound back in is nearly impossible to learn how to do. OBTP: Megabyte has, IMO, a very distinct Canadian accent. However, as I've recently learned, it could also qualify as a North Wisconsin accent. Which makes sense given that Wisconsin shares a border with Canada. I also found Andrew's American accent to be fairly indistinguishable from his Scottish accent except at the extremes. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Romana3@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:46:29 EST In a message dated 12/13/99 7:20:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, saylormars@mail.com writes: << I *definitely* don't think Megabyte has a Canadian accent. I could be very wrong (I've never even been to Canada!) but I don't recall him ever using the dead-giveaway Canada-isms (such as 'oo' pronunciations of 'ou' words). If I had to place him, I would say it would be east coast - probably northern, perhaps New England, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, etc. I could be altogether off, though. Out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know where Christian Tessier was born or grew up? >> I would have to agree with this... I really don't think that Megabyte has an accent... If anything it may be mid west-ish... Though I'm from Ohio, and some people think that I have a accent.. Go figure... (And no I'm not from the most souther point either... Does any one think that Cincinnatians have accents?) If you do give him an accent, keep away from NY.. I can't picture him with a NY accent... (Sorry, it just me late at night before exams) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:31:28 CST >Which brings up the interesting question - which is more convincing? >Andrew's Scots accent, or his American accent (as heard in TWOE)? Ah, Andrew's American persona... When I first saw it I went for days pointing at the television saying "They think we look like that!" (Explain that to the nonTP world when the set is off.) Then all these years later I get my tapes from Wendy and rewatch it... and lo and behold he's not half as bad as I thought. I think my shock was actually time warp rather than geography. I've managed to tune in my 70's vision when I watch now. That 'first impression' cloud will probably never let me believe he's got it quite right, but it's probably fairly close. Kristy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:09:38 -0700 At 02:42 PM 14/12/99 +1100, Shaun wrote: >Nah - you've got it wrong. It's Australians who don't have accents. >(Unfortunately, this isn't always a joke - I've had to deal with an American >recently who truly insisted American's don't have accents - she couldn't >seem to grasp that everyone does). Exactly, the definition of an accent is someone who sounds different from you. >Hmm - to keep this TP related. Is there accent involved in telepathy? I >don't mean in the sense of regional accents with telepathic voices sounding >like a persons vocal voice (although that is possible) but variations caused >by proximity and time. For example - when an NS TP is communicating with an >OS TP would they be able to discern the others' telepathic accent? It seems >to me possible, given that they developed this method of communication >independently of each other - I guess it depends on how structured telepathy >is, if it allows for any variation. Well, all we have to go on is how the OS/NS characters sounded, which was just like their regular accents. I suspect the main difference over time would be the slang - listen to a recording from the 30s - say a radio serial - it is the same language, the difference is in attitudes and some of the slang. Given their nature, I think the TP might vary less in 20 or 30 years than the rest of humanity. >Uurgh. I know personally, four kids who want to be Hermione in the movie, >six who want to be Harry, one who wants to be Ron, two who want to be Malfoy >(scary) and three who want *me* to be Hagrid. Yikes. It could be flattering, though (except that Hagrid is a lot older than you are) - they must see you as friendly - what kind of pets do you keep? Hagrid would probably like a Medusa or two... >Now - why couldn't all these kids get caught up in TPdom - we'd have it back >on TV in no time (interesting factoid - the author of the HP books, Rowling, >is a TP fan...) Good grief - where'd you pick that up? Not that I'm surprised - there are definitely some common elements - the wizard (=tp) world hiding itself from the Muggle (=sap) world. I've even seen people criticizing HP for the fact that wizards hide themselves away and don't make their wonderful powers available to make life better and less painful for the Muggles. Maybe there's a Ministry of Tomorrow People (=Ministry of Magic) in the TP world by now :). Mind you, these elements are common to many stories - not original with either. I just really love the way Rowling does it, as much as the way Roger Price did it. Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jane starr Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 00:24:13 -0700 At 03:18 PM 14/12/99 +1100, Shaun wrote: >No, these kids have someone else in mind for Dumbledore - and I agree, he'd >be perfect (just a man we all know). They think I'd make a good Hagrid (-8. >Oh well, it could be worse - they could want me to be You-Know-Who. (-8 This is wildly off-topic, but I'm dream-casting the HP movie constantly. All-British cast, of course. I change from time to time as I think of new actors, but my main and unchanging requirement is that they HAVE to have Rowan Atkinson as Snape. Think Blackadder, not Mr. Bean. He just drips malice and sarcasm. He'd be brilliant. I also want Stephen Fry (Jeeves and Wooster, Blackadder) as something, anything. Cornelius Fudge, maybe, or Uncle Vernon (he does shouting parts rather well). I have the British audiotape of the Philosopher's Stone and he is the reader - does a wonderful job. Hugh Laurie (Jeeves and Wooster, Stuart Little) as Quirrell or maybe Lupin. Hatty Jones (Madeleine) is the right age for Hermione. Roger Rees for Sirius Black. Robbie Coltrane for Hagrid. Ralph Riach (TV John McIver on Hamish MacBeth) for Dumbledore. Sir John Gielgud as Professor Binns (the dead History of Magic Teacher). From Tigger: > > (A Harry Potter movie? Ugh. Can't they leave well enough alone?) I vacillate on this. With the right script, director and cast, I think it could be great, although also wildly unnecessary. Nothing will ever match the movie that I see in my head when I read the books to myself or my kids. I just worry that Warner Brothers will cast Rosie O'Donnell and Robin Williams and a bunch of other Americans (many of whom are fine actors), just for box office clout, and re-write it, taking out all the things that make it special to make it more understandable to the mythical "average American" and it will be a disaster. Ack - I just realized it's almost 12:30 am and i have to go to work in the morning... Jane Jane Starr starr@planet.eon.net Edmonton, Alberta, Canada check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/ and 2001: A Book Odyssey - The Strathearn School Millennium Project at www.icomm.ca/strath2k/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SunStar77@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 11:00:49 EST American Sun "Megabyte, shut up." Adam Newman, The Tomorrow People "So if you had the chance to, to forget everything and live life over again, would you?" "No, I wouldn't. Who'd remember Alexa then?" Duncan MacLeod and Methos, Highlander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul E. Curtis" Subject: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 14 Dec 1999 13:32:29 -0800 Hello! I'm a long-time aficionado of British telefantasy (particularly Doctor Who, Blake's 7, and Sapphire & Steel), and over the years, I've stumbled across many references to The Tomorrow People...but intrigued tho' I was by such references, I never had a chance to see the programme itself. Until a few days ago, that is, when I acquired a copy of the Thames/Video Gems release of "The Slaves of Jedikiah," parts four and five. I have to say that, despite the hokey production (which, as a Doctor Who fan, I am of course accustomed to), I found these two episodes very enjoyable indeed, and would love to see the rest of the story. Unfortunately, it appears that both of the tapes--including the one which features episodes 1-3 of the serial--are now out of print! :-( Now, when I signed up with TPDIS, I received a list of rules which stated, in part: Do not post requests for tapes of the "The Tomorrow People" to TPDIS. Information regarding acquisition of episodes is available via the Galactic Federation page. So, not wishing to make a nuisance of myself, I immediately went over to the site in question... and searched, in vain, for such information. Has the information moved? Is there anybody out there who can help? Ideally, I'd prefer to find a copy (new or used) of the Video Gems release of "Jedikiah":1-3...but in the meantime, I'd be *enormously* grateful if some kind person could supply me with a dubbed copy of these three episodes (in PAL or NTSC). And in trade, I'd be more than happy to offer a copy of anything in my collection. Thanks very much...sorry to post such a plea here in the mailing list, but I didn't know what else I could do! --Paul Curtis *** I deny this reality. The reality is a computation matrix. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 15 Dec 1999 09:06:00 +1100 > From: Paul E. Curtis [mailto:pecurtis@teleport.com] > > Ideally, I'd prefer to find a copy (new or used) of the Video > Gems release > of "Jedikiah":1-3...but in the meantime, I'd be *enormously* > grateful if > some kind person could supply me with a dubbed copy of these > three episodes > (in PAL or NTSC). And in trade, I'd be more than happy to > offer a copy of > anything in my collection. > > Thanks very much...sorry to post such a plea here in the > mailing list, but I > didn't know what else I could do! Hi Paul, If you can't get them anywhere else, I'm happy to make PAL copies for you - as I'm in Australia, though, that's not the most convenient choice though (-8 Some people on the list have got tapes from me - so you can check out my reliability (I've only ever had one problem to my knowledge - tapes for one person whose first set didn't arrive, and who I heard this morning his second tapes haven't arrived yet either (making them a week late - at least I now work for the post office and can follow that up). Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 14 Dec 1999 17:33:17 EST In a message dated 99-12-14 16:32:56 EST, you write: > I'm a long-time aficionado of British telefantasy (particularly Doctor Who, > Blake's 7, and Sapphire & Steel), and over the years, I've stumbled across > many references to The Tomorrow People...but intrigued tho' I was by such > references, I never had a chance to see the programme itself. Until a few > days ago, that is, when I acquired a copy of the Thames/Video Gems release > of "The Slaves of Jedikiah," parts four and five. Welcome to the list! I must say I'm surprised that you got the official release--where on Earth did you get it from? Could you scan the box? I'm curious as to what it looks like. -Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 14 Dec 1999 18:56:55 EST Do you have the TP sci fic interviews Shaun? I would love a copy of those! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 15 Dec 1999 10:59:48 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > Do you have the TP sci fic interviews Shaun? I would love a > copy of those! Most of them, yes - I'm not certain if I have all of them (as I don't know how many there were in total!) I'm always happy to make copies of anything in my extensive TP-related video library (-8 for the cost of tapes and postage - but I can only do PAL format (actually one of my VCRs supposedly does NTSC conversions from PAL when copying according to the box it came in, but the manual contains no information on how, and I think the box was lying (-8 ) Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 14 Dec 1999 19:00:01 EST I think I read someplace, perhaps by Stephen King or some other noted writer, that one shouldn't worry too much about trying to reproduce accents in a story, that that usually reads badly, just write what they say and maybe explain their background a bit in the story. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 14 Dec 1999 16:30:54 -0600 > > Do not post requests for tapes of the "The Tomorrow People" > > to TPDIS. Information regarding acquisition of episodes is > > available via the Galactic Federation page. Ooops. That's my bad. The list rules were updated. Really. :) Unfortunately, I promptly forget to upload the revised rules to the server, so the only mention of the change is in the FAQ. The text from that reads: >I ran into a problem very early in the lists' creation: I discovered that while people often had >grand memories of the Tomorrow People, they didn't often have very good ones. It was >difficult for people to talk about the show they hadn't seen in 15+ years, and weren't likely to see >unless they could find it on tape. Since there are no professional releases available, I started >offering to make them for fans. Four years later I had to stop. Circumstances beyond >my control, not the least of which was that my master copies were wearing out, have forced me to >stop. I do not know of any other sources for Tomorrow People tapes, so please do not ask >me. It used to be against list rules to post a tape request to the mailing list, but as I am no longer >providing this service, I have retracted the rule. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 14 Dec 1999 19:15:52 EST Being new to this group, I wonder if anyone discussed other topics before such as: What was the favorite story? Character? Worst story? Character? What would someone have done if the TP original show kept going? New Show? Ways to link the shows? What happened when the TP went to the Trig in between series or when characters left the series? Fav alien? Fav villains? What other stories could have been told? How people felt about Tyso and Stephan leaving? Etc? Me: Worst Story: ACHILLES' HEEL RunnerS Up: THE THARGON MENACE, THE LIVING SKINS new series: almost all of them but the MONSOON MAN, LIVING STONES Worst character: Elmer, Emily, the Momma-A MAN FOR EMILY Worst characterNEW SERIES: Lisa and Lisa's mom Worst alien in OLD SERIES: Glip the fighter pilot dogman in ACHILLES' HEEL Worst alien in NEW SERIES: all the goofballs from that Egyptian one Best Story overall: A RIFT IN TIME, SECRET WEAPON ( I hesitate to use SW as the best since the TP were really secondary characters in it) Best new story: the first half hour THE NEW TOMORROW PEOPLE UNAIRED PILOT Best Villain: Colonel Master, the second Jedikiah Worst Villain: CULEX and her aides Best Music: Original series: the theme song and its variations, SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH, Worst things about the new series: the theme, the fact that TIM was gone, that they jaunted into the water almost all the time, Lisa's mother, the non continuity between stories and the old show and the new show and its own storylines, Most overrated story: A DIRTIEST BUSINESS--quite good really but some of that love sick dialog was just terrible (Mike and Pavlov) Best costumes: A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY (ok, ok) Best guest character: Prof. Cawston Most underused character: Tricia Conway Most in need of a sequel show: almost all the original series' stories could have had a sequel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 14 Dec 1999 19:17:09 EST I can take the NTSC versions. How can we do it? I can send you a check in Pounds or what? And how much would cover postage, tapes, etc. And how shall I send you my address? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 14 Dec 1999 19:18:21 EST whoops I mean I can view the PAL versions or the other type but PAL would be fine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 15 Dec 1999 06:38:41 -0500 > > I would have to agree with this... I really don't think that > Megabyte has an > accent... If anything it may be mid west-ish... Though I'm from > Ohio, and > some people think that I have a accent.. Go figure... (And no I'm > not from > the most souther point either... Does any one think that > Cincinnatians have > accents?) If you do give him an accent, keep away from NY.. I can't > picture > him with a NY accent... (Sorry, it just me late at night before > exams) Just out of curiousity, Do you mean New York City accent? We have 3 distinct accents in this state alone, and he could fit the northern one. We have the one down in the City, which I'm sure everyone has heard or at least heard of before, we have the standard american one, which I speak, (Or at least I think I do.) And we also have one that's almost Canadian up north. It's spoken close to the border, and IMO, since Vermont is so close to the American-Canadian border, I wouldn't be surprised it he does have a Canadian accent. Sarah "Turn me into nothing will you? Well, you can take your nothingness and stick it where the sun don't shine!" ~Tasselhoff Burrfoot, "Dragons of Summer Flame" "I will do this. Nothing in my life matters except this. No moment in my life exists except this moment. I am born in this moment, and if I fail, I will die in this moment." ~Raistlin Majere, "The Soulforge" ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 16 Dec 1999 21:14:44 -0000 >Which brings up the interesting question - which is more convincing? >Andrew's Scots accent, or his American accent (as heard in TWOE)? I don't remember his American accent at all, but his Scottish one was APPALLING!!! (and I'm not from Scotland!!) As for Megabyte's accent........... Over here in the UK there used to be a convention on the TV that newsreaders etc spoke in "Received Pronunciation" A sort of generalised, very clear vaguely southern UK accent. It had a lot to do with diluting regional accents over here for a while. Thankfully we don't do that so much any more. Could Megabyte, as the son of a well travelled General, have a sort of Received American Pronunciation? This could be why its so hard to trace!! Live long and Prosper! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 16 Dec 1999 21:21:08 -0000 >You've seen the horror that is >Animorphs-TV Hey! Its not THAT bad!!??? now if I could convince you to read the books, which are good.... I like 'em too!! >(And since I know at least Wendy's wondering: I have started the >Animorphs/TP xover. RC2 is top priority at the moment-- until I get >distracted, anyway.:) The thought of a Yeerk with the TP's powers is......frightening. Mind you, telepathy would be a VERY good way of guessing who the Controllers are.... Live long and Prosper David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 16 Dec 1999 21:23:28 -0000 why does every British actor who attempts an >American accent end up sounding southern!? Probably for the same reason that every American actor who tries a British accent sounds like he's realted to the Queen!!!:-) Live long and prosper David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 16 Dec 1999 23:45:56 GMT "David M Yates" : > >why does every British actor who attempts an > >American accent end up sounding southern!? > Probably for the same reason that every American actor who tries a British > accent sounds like he's realted to the Queen!!!:-) Or Dick Van Dyke. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 16 Dec 1999 22:15:20 -0600 > >as the son of a well travelled General, have a sort of Received >American Pronunciation? The problem is, there's no such thing. The "standard" American accent is the considered to be the one used in the mid-west (in no particular order: Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nebraska, Kanasa, North and South Dakota, Iowa, parts of Missouri, and probably other states that I'm forgetting). However, the mid-west is a very big place and a lot of people who live in the mid-west don't have the "standard" accent. Lots of people who do live in the mid-west do have a "standard" accent, tho. (And everyone in the mid-west thinks they do.) Megabyte does not. On the other hand, with the exception of the deep South and the Northeast (namely New York City and Boston), there isn't that huge of a difference between the various regional accents. This is very unlike the UK, where I understand that regional accents can at times be so drastic as to be virtually unintelligble to speakers from one region to the next. If we had more a sample of Megabyte talking, it would be easier to place his accent -- as his accent is probably limited to just a couple of sounds, or even a couple of words. Unless you hear me pronounce the words "often", "sausage", "milk", "egg", or a few others, you probably wouldn't notice my Chicago accent -- unless I'm really exaggerating it and I start to pronounce "they" like "day". My roommate has a very distinct Wisconsin accent, but you wouldn't know it unless you heard him pronounce "vague", which to him rhymes with "bag", while his "bag" has the same vowel as "bake". ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Horrocks, Elizabeth" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 17 Dec 1999 08:37:08 -0500 > >why does every British actor who attempts an > >American accent end up sounding southern!? > Probably for the same reason that every American actor who tries a British > accent sounds like he's realted to the Queen!!!:-) Or Dick Van Dyke. or Megabyte. I can only say one phrase in a pathetically sad attempt at a British accent: We gaha go...We're already late for scu-ewl... ;) Hope everyone has a... jolly 'oliday!!!! -Betsy:) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 27 Aug 1999 22:46:53 +0000 In regards to Megabyte, I live in New Hampshire, about 20 minutes from the Vermont (where he's supposedly from) border, and, since I hear absolutely no accent when he talks, I'd say he's got a pretty basic New England accent. It's hard to say, though - I've been to Ohio, and while some people have REALLY strong mid-western accents, others speak just like me (or Megabyte). > The problem is, there's no such thing. The "standard" American accent is > the considered to be the one used in the mid-west I wouldn't quite say that - basically everything that I hear on television is like mine. But maybe that's what a lot of foreigners most associate with the US? No? Yes? And finally, yes, Megabyte could definitely pull off the lawyer - just, as Shaun said, watch the overacting! Rachel with an E :) (My college apps are finally in and I can check my e-mail - yes!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amanda Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 18 Dec 1999 11:00:26 -0800 (PST) I thought megabyte was supposed to be from Vermont, the actor is canadian, British Columbia most likely. But if your talking the charcter, and not actor, then a new england american accent. Amanda ===== Amanda Ringler ICQ:9066120 E-mail:Amandine1979@rocketmail.com Over sea, under stone, I Will find my self alone __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 18 Dec 1999 20:57:44 -0600 > > I wouldn't quite say that - basically everything that I hear on >television is like mine. That's probably because of where your television is filmed, if you're talking about the news and other live shows. It used to be that news anchors were required to use the 'standard' accent (which is officially the one used in the mid-west -- altho that also ends us up back at the question of *which* one used in the mid-west). That's not so much the case anymore; anchors frequently use their regional accents instead of trying to change. On a different accent question: Adam's accent sounds typically Australian to me. But I'm fairly sure that there's as much a typical Australian accent as there is a typical American accent. So how is his accent different from, say, other Australian accents? ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lindsay-Day@webtv.net (Lindsay Tice) Subject: TPDIS: Help! Date: 17 Dec 1999 23:56:02 -0500 (EST) Quick-- what's the first OS episode called? I just got Wendy's tapes and wanted to watch one real quick tonight, but I don't know whre to start. . . . Ack! --Lindsay ____________________________________ "Come to the edge," he said They said, "We are afraid." "Come to the edge," he said. They came, he pushed them. . . and they flew. --Guillaume Apollinaire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Help! Date: 19 Dec 1999 14:09:03 +1100 Quick-- what's the first OS episode called? I just got Wendy's tapes and wanted to watch one real quick tonight, but I don't know whre to start. . . . Ack! The Slaves of Jedekiah Check out http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/osepgide.html - that's mine and has them in order (there are other lists too, but I don't know their URLs off by heart. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lindsay-Day@webtv.net (Lindsay Tice) Subject: Re: TPDIS: Help! Date: 18 Dec 1999 22:07:34 -0500 (EST) thanks!!!!!!!!!! ____________________________________ "Come to the edge," he said They said, "We are afraid." "Come to the edge," he said. They came, he pushed them. . . and they flew. --Guillaume Apollinaire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul E. Curtis" Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 18 Dec 1999 20:20:21 -0800 > Welcome to the list! Thanks muchly! I doubt I'll participate very regularly, since I've only seen two episodes out of 68...but hopefully, that won't always be the case. > I must say I'm surprised that you got the official > release--where on Earth did you get it from? From Blackstar (http://www.blackstar.co.uk). They offer a video search service, and if they turn up a copy of the title you're looking for, you can have it for £16.99, including worldwide shipping. They're still searching on my behalf for the Video Gems tape of "Jedikiah":1-3... > Could you scan the box? I'm curious as to what it looks like. Well, I'd be happy to, if I had easy access to a scanner! Let's see...the front cover features a photo of John in the Lab, with his hands on the link terminal (is that what it's called? I mean the glowing white table thing). The back cover has a photo of Jedikiah (in mad robot form), shooting his blaster inside the spaceship. One thing I find rather odd about this video is that the title sequences do not give any indication of the programme title--just the episode title, writers' names, and episode number. You'd expect that it would say "The Tomorrow People" somewhere in there! Perhaps it was shown at the beginning of the title sequence, and was edited out for the video release? Also, would I be correct in assuming that the Thames ident was originally shown at the beginning and end of each episode? It's not on the video, unfortunately. (Such a pity--I love the Thames fanfare!) > If you can't get them anywhere else, I'm happy to make PAL copies > for you - as I'm in Australia, though, that's not the most > convenient choice though (-8 Thank you very much, Shaun! Having seen how the story ends, I'm now quite eager to see how it begins. ;-) Is there anything you're looking for in trade? I do have a rare colour copy of the Doctor Who story, "The Ambassadors of Death," which I can supply in PAL or NTSC, and I also have most of the DW missing episode reconstructions...but I'm afraid that the rest of my collection mainly consists of titles that've been commercially released. Otherwise, I'd be happy to send a blank tape and sufficient IRCs to cover return postage to the United States...do you have any idea how many IRCs that would be? Thanks again! --Paul Curtis (Portland, Oregon, USA) *** I deny this reality. The reality is a computation matrix. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 19 Dec 1999 18:57:39 +1100 >From: > >One thing I find rather odd about this video is that the title sequences do >not give any indication of the programme title--just the episode title, >writers' names, and episode number. You'd expect that it would say "The >Tomorrow People" somewhere in there! Perhaps it was shown at the beginning >of the title sequence, and was edited out for the video release? I'd guess so. The general format of each episode is as follows. Short sequence showing the words 'The Tomorrow People' Introductory scenes Opening credits - basically the same for all episodes except the very first episode of Slaves of Jedikiah - there were minor changes showing the faces of the various TPs in each series, and changing as they left and entered the show, but the opening hand sequence and the various images - foetus, eye, galaxy, person standing amid latticework, etc. This also included the name of the serial, the episode number within that serial and (after the second series began) the title for each episode. Main body of the story End credits consisting of the names of the cast and crew over a lava lamp like pattern. >Also, would I be correct in assuming that the Thames ident was originally >shown at the beginning and end of each episode? It's not on the video, >unfortunately. (Such a pity--I love the Thames fanfare!) I can't say if it was shown at the start - I've heard it was, but I never saw it. In Australia, the Thames ident was shown at the end of every episode - sometimes (always?) the fanfare was not heard, instead the last of the TP theme music was heard over the ident. >From: Hately, Shaun > >> If you can't get them anywhere else, I'm happy to make PAL copies >> for you - as I'm in Australia, though, that's not the most >> convenient choice though (-8 > >Thank you very much, Shaun! Having seen how the story ends, I'm now quite >eager to see how it begins. ;-) > >Is there anything you're looking for in trade? I do have a rare colour copy >of the Doctor Who story, "The Ambassadors of Death," which I can supply in >PAL or NTSC, and I also have most of the DW missing episode >reconstructions...but I'm afraid that the rest of my collection mainly >consists of titles that've been commercially released. Ooh - I'd love that in PAL. And it would work out more easily than the postage exchange. >Otherwise, I'd be happy to send a blank tape and sufficient IRCs to cover >return postage to the United States...do you have any idea how many IRCs >that would be? I can check (I work for the post office) but it may not be necessary if we exchange. E-mail me at drednort@alphalink.com.au so we can sort out further details. Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul E. Curtis" Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 19 Dec 1999 00:22:53 -0800 > >One thing I find rather odd about this video is that the title > >sequences do not give any indication of the programme title-- > >just the episode title, writers' names, and episode number. > >You'd expect that it would say "The Tomorrow People" somewhere > >in there! Perhaps it was shown at the beginning of the title > >sequence, and was edited out for the video release? > > I'd guess so. > > The general format of each episode is as follows. > > Short sequence showing the words 'The Tomorrow People' > Introductory scenes > Opening [snip] > Main body of the story > End credits consisting of the names of the cast and crew over a > lava lamp like pattern. In that case, it would appear that the commercial video has been pretty badly hacked with--on my copy, both of the episodes start with the opening credits, leaving out the cliffhanger recaps altogether! What bonehead thought of that idea, I wonder? (Possibly the same bonehead who decided to split this five-part story over two separate videos. No wonder Video Gems went out of business!) > >Also, would I be correct in assuming that the Thames ident was > >originally shown at the beginning and end of each episode? > >It's not on the video, unfortunately. (Such a pity--I love the > >Thames fanfare!) > > I can't say if it was shown at the start - I've heard it was, > but I never saw it. In Australia, the Thames ident was shown at > the end of every episode - sometimes (always?) the fanfare was > not heard, instead the last of the TP theme music was heard over > the ident. Hmm. On my copy, episode four ends with a rather clumsy edit to the theme tune, so that the final notes of the theme play just as the credits end. On part five, they let the theme run in its entirety, but in place of the original Thames logo, they've substituted a tacky "Thames Video" logo. Yuck. Now that Carlton has bought the ITC television library, I'm hoping that they'll see fit to reissue the _Sapphire & Steel_ videos, but with the original ATV idents and encaps intact. It's probably too much to hope for, but I can always dream... --Paul Curtis *** I deny this reality. The reality is a computation matrix. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rogers Subject: Re: TPDIS: A newbie's plea Date: 19 Dec 1999 20:25:27 GMT "Paul E. Curtis" wrote: > In that case, it would appear that the commercial video has been pretty > badly hacked with--on my copy, both of the episodes start with the opening > credits, leaving out the cliffhanger recaps altogether! This is a rather different approach to the Video Gems release of The Children of the Stones, which cut out the beginning and end titles of each episode, but left the reprise in. Therefore at the end of each episode you see a minute or so repeated. However, at the beginning of each of the tapes the HTV waterfall ident was included. > What bonehead > thought of that idea, I wonder? (Possibly the same bonehead who decided to > split this five-part story over two separate videos. No wonder Video Gems > went out of business!) The key thing here would have been how much Thames/Pearson wanted to charge Video Gems for the rights. The figure might have been so large that this was the only way at all to make them pay. > > >Also, would I be correct in assuming that the Thames ident was > > >originally shown at the beginning and end of each episode? > > >It's not on the video, unfortunately. (Such a pity--I love the > > >Thames fanfare!) Personally I prefer the version of the fanfare used from the start of Thames in 1968 until 14 November 1969, as it has more 'bite' in it and matched the longer version used to start the station every day. The original mirrored-riverscape (as used from their start on local programmes) was rather more artistic - but the incredibly dull 'From Thames', used originally on networked programmes instead of the riverscape was wisely dropped early on. > > I can't say if it was shown at the start - I've heard it was, > > but I never saw it. In Australia, the Thames ident was shown at > > the end of every episode - sometimes (always?) the fanfare was > > not heard, instead the last of the TP theme music was heard over > > the ident. The fanfare comes at the beginning, not over the endcap. > Hmm. On my copy, episode four ends with a rather clumsy edit to the theme > tune, so that the final notes of the theme play just as the credits end. On > part five, they let the theme run in its entirety, but in place of the > original Thames logo, they've substituted a tacky "Thames Video" logo. > Yuck. It is standard practice to issue commercial releases without original endcaps and opening idents and substitute either special ones or what is being used at the time, as was the case with the Sci-Fi Channel versions. On the other hand if you make a private purchase from a company you generally get a faithful copy of the original master, down to it including the VT clock. That can be very expensive though. > Now that Carlton has bought the ITC television library, I'm hoping that > they'll see fit to reissue the _Sapphire & Steel_ videos, but with the > original ATV idents and endcaps intact. It's probably too much to hope for, > but I can always dream... Bravo showed S&S with original endcaps but without the front ident (which is known in the trade incidentally as ATV Zoom 3). Carlton is strongly promoting the ITC/ATV catalogue to TV stations currently. Jez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: Re: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 20 Dec 1999 07:53:47 +1100 On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 08:57:44PM -0600, Wendy Kelley wrote: > > On a different accent question: Adam's accent sounds typically Australian > to me. But I'm fairly sure that there's as much a typical Australian > accent as there is a typical American accent. So how is his accent > different from, say, other Australian accents? Actually, there are a lot less regional differences in Australian accents than there are in the US or the UK. Regional differences tend to be expressed more in vocabulary than accent. Oh, there *are* regional differences, but not very strong ones. Strong enough to recognise sometimes, but not strong enough to be able to describe or imitate. The main difference seems to be the spectrum of the, what you might call the strength of the accent - the "weaker" Australian accent being more British, the kind of thing you'd hear a newsreader speaking, and the "stronger" being slower, more nasal, more "strine", which you'd hear in the bush or on the docks. Adam sounds pretty average to me, though I think Shaun said he detected a regional Victorian accent. Unfortunately, I have never seen anyone in TV or movies successfully imitate an Australian accent, though Australians have successfully imitated others. Who saw The Matrix? Hugo Weaving, who played Agent Smith, is an Aussie. KJA -- Ruby Red http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 19 Dec 1999 17:49:42 +0000 > > I wouldn't quite say that - basically everything that I hear on >television is like mine. >That's probably because of where your television is filmed, if you're >talking about the news and other live shows. But even on sitcoms and stuff shown nationwide, most people seem to have a very similar accent. Lisa, for example, speaks with about the same accent as Megabyte, wouldn't you say, even though she comes from much further south? I'm actually a little curious about Ami's accent - do a lot of English people pronounce words like "something" as "somethink" (see "Monsoon Man" Part 3), or is that just a regional thing? Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 20 Dec 1999 10:14:19 +1100 > From: SapphireSky [mailto:lebeaux5@monad.net] > I'm actually a little curious about Ami's accent - do a lot of English > people pronounce words like "something" as "somethink" (see "Monsoon > Man" Part 3), or is that just a regional thing? A lot do - so do a lot of Australians and a lot of Americans too (-8 There may be places where it's regional but in most cases, it's just simply bad pronunciation - the word is not meant to be pronounced that way, but a large number of people do. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: TPDIS: Re: Is anyone talking about TP? Date: 19 Dec 1999 19:09:58 EST Is anyone talking about the Tomorrow People? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Re: Is anyone talking about TP? Date: 20 Dec 1999 11:17:04 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > Is anyone talking about the Tomorrow People? I hope so (-8 Current discussion include accents, the Video Gems release of the first TP serial. Both are (more-or-less) TP related. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Edmonds Subject: Re: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 20 Dec 1999 14:15:18 -0700 On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Ruby Red wrote: > Unfortunately, I have never seen anyone in TV or movies successfully > imitate an Australian accent, though Australians have successfully > imitated others. Who saw The Matrix? Hugo Weaving, who played Agent > Smith, is an Aussie. Rebecca Gibney (sp?) is a New Zealander. When she first began working in Australia she had coaching to be able to "speak Australian". And despite what some other nationalities might be thinking there are substantial differences between Australian and New Zealand "English". Also I worked in Australia for several months a few years ago and after being hassled for my "New Zealand" accent (especially the "fish and chips" phrase) I managed to do a convincing Aussie accent with practise :-) ) And in terms of New Zealanders and Australians doing American accents there are Russell Crowe (New Zealander but has been in several Austraian and American films - Romper Stomper, The Sum of Us, ...), Lucy lawless (Xena). LA Confidential has several NZ/Australian actors so I was wondering if how convincing there accents were to the Americans who have seen it. Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 20 Dec 1999 17:44:35 EST okay anything to discuss besides accents? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 21 Dec 1999 09:50:23 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > okay anything to discuss besides accents? The list tends to be sporadic - we discuss something for a while, and the it gets quiet until a new topic comes up. This close to Christmas - well, it's not surprising it's quiet with the number of people who are busy in the fake world that doesn't contain the TP (oops - almost said real world!), so discussion is light. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: discussions Date: 21 Dec 1999 10:35:17 +1100 > From: CMento6653@aol.com [mailto:CMento6653@aol.com] > > Being new to this group, I wonder if anyone discussed other > topics before > such as: OK, cool - some questions. > What was the favorite story? The Blue and The Green - it introduces Liz who I believe is one of the better TP characters (crush notwithstanding), and is also one of the more original TP stories. > Character? John - without a doubt IMHO. I grew up wanting to *be* John. So wise, intelligent and logical (OK, OK, these are *my* impressions!) > Worst story? A Man for Emily - silly beyond belief. That, in itself, isn't too bad - nothing wrong with silliness, but it doesn't fit the rest of the series at all (and I am now convinced it was inspired by NYs performance in a bad T&B film...) > Character? That's a hard one. Of all the TP, I'd have to say Kenny - not that there was anything particularly wrong with him - he just never seemed to serve any purpose. Of course, he only lasted a season - but so did Carol, and she had The Medusa Strain in which she was significant. Kenny did have some significance in SoJ - in dealing with Ginge and Lefty - but he was overshadowed by Stephen in that serial, so it doesn't stand out. Personally, I think Kenny's biggest contribution came in an episode he wasn't in - World's Away - when it's revealed he tricked Timus into dressing up as a bad Giblert&Sullivan parody. > What would someone have done if the TP original show kept going? What would I have done... cheered! Personally I would have liked to have seen more of the Trig - as foreshadowed in The War of the Empires. The Trig fascinates me - an absolute bureacracy - and I think Liz and John could have been very active in reforming it. That would have allowed Mike and Hsui Tai a chance at bigger roles dealing with alien monsters, etc (-8. The series was becoming top heavy at that point, IMHO - John and Liz were no longer kids, and Mike and Hsui Tai would have been more suited to leadership (under supervision). So I would have also liked to have seen some younger character introduced - around Andrew's age. Even just one would have done - just to make the show more relevant to kids again (of course, what I really would have liked for the 1980 season would have been for them to decide they needed a five-year old Australian TP...) > New Show? The New series... Hmm, OK - here's some ideas. I would have liked to have seen Jade developed as a character - her crush on Megabyte exploited for one thing. I'd have wanted to see Adam grow up - he's got a lot on his shoulders and looking at how he dealt with it would have been interesting. The same applies to Megabyte to some extent - he's always been a joker but there'd be a need for him to take things seriously - this starts in The Living Stones when he faces the reality of his father's mortality. Ami - well, I think she's already there - she does take things seriously - but I'd have liked to see her in a position where she did have to make a choice - a real choice - between her mother and her responsibility as a TP. This started earlier - when she told her mother she was going to help the others no matter what - but it seems to me the process is incomplete - In Rameses Connection, her birthday is a big deal - with her mother trying to dominate. And in Stones, she's off to Australia with her mother. Note - I'm not saying this is a bad thing - she is still a kid and her mother has every right to do what she does and take an interest, IMHO - but it does show that there is still somewhere to go with the idea of a conflict between them. I'd also like to have seen the series become something of an investigation - the TP beginning to uncover part of history, a hidden history, of Earth - RC takes a part here - the TP are now aware that they have been around a long time, and I'd like to have seen them investigate things further and uncover something important. > Ways to link the shows? A More Pefect Union - I'm writing it, so it does sum up how I think the two things could be linked. > What happened when the TP went to the Trig in between series or when > characters left the series? IMHO, they got involved in politics and Trig activities. My opinions on what happened to them - based on mentions in episodes, novels, possibly fanfic, and my own guesses. (sometimes I can't be sure where the ideas came from) Carol - married an Adonisian(?) ambassador (eventually after upsetting John by just living with the guy) and had at least one child. She is part of Overmind, the supervisory body of the Galactic Trig (which seems to me to correspond to a Steering Committee of some sort). Kenny - a roving Ambassador who travels very far afield on missions for the Galactic Federation including to other stars. Stephen - a member of a semi-official team of troubleshooters under the command of Tikno - who perform operations which the Trig 'officially' has no knowledge of. Tyso - similar to Stephen, but he is also an advisor to the government of another planet where he is regarded as being some sort of royal personage with very (very!) close links to the ruler of that planet. Tricia - part of the Galactic Federation's Police - working on similar missions to those engaged in by Steen in The Vanishing Earth. Mike and Hsui-Tai - married with a daughter named Pavla. Mike works in the same special team as Stephen and Tyso, while Hsui-Tai is involved in humanitarian and education work for the Federation - supporting the children who are refugees from aggression all over the Trig. Andrew - I've never really decided (-8 I have some ideas but nothing too concrete. John - after leaving Earth in 1980, he became very active in reforming the Galactic Federation - leading a Timus sponsored charge to make the organisation relevant. He worked very hard, antagonising a lot of people, before finally achieving significant influence and power. Eventually drained, he leaves his leadership position and becomes an Archaeologist. Liz - supported John, always at his side during his reforms and just as active in helping the Trig to change. More diplomatic than John, she assumed his position upon his retirement and became a senior figure in Galactic Government. > Fav alien? The Denajeli in the Blue and the Green - the best realised of any of the aliens, IMHO. > Fav villains? Jedekiah - in both forms. > What other stories could have been told? How John broke out - and the TP's history prior to SoJ. > How people felt about Tyso and Stephan leaving? Didn't care too much - Tyso was annoying by that stage, and while I liked Stephen, he was rapidly becoming a John-clone. He wouldn't have been satisfying if he remained subservient to John - but I also would have hated to see him supersede John (and I don't think he would have tried). It was time for him to go. 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If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Amy Bridger Subject: Re: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 21 Dec 1999 19:19:59 +1000 At 14:15 20/12/99 -0700, Michael Edmonds wrote: >Also I worked in Australia for several months a few years ago and after >being hassled for my "New Zealand" accent (especially the "fish and chips" >phrase) I managed to do a convincing Aussie accent with practise :-) ) Geez, I've lived in Australia for nearly 12 years now and people still make fun of my accent :( Why just yesterday my cow-orker made fun of my "fush and chips" (thats the last time I'm nice and get her lunch!). >And in terms of New Zealanders and Australians doing American accents >there are Russell Crowe (New Zealander but has been in several Austraian >and American films - Romper Stomper, The Sum of Us, ...), Lucy lawless >(Xena). Mmmmmmmm.... Umm to add some kind of on-topic content to this post - I've heard a rumor that new episodes of English: Have A Go, starring Kristian Schmid, are airing on the ABC. I'll hopefully be finding out more soon from the guy who claims to have seen it. -- Amy Bridger (ami@full-moon.com) I am in Australia Nor-mal view! Nor-mal view! CHEEEEEEEZ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Accents (formerly Megabyte) Date: 21 Dec 1999 15:44:38 -0500 On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:15:18 -0700 Michael Edmonds > > Rebecca Gibney (sp?) is a New Zealander. When she first began > working in > Australia she had coaching to be able to "speak Australian". And > despite > what some other nationalities might be thinking there are > substantial > differences between Australian and New Zealand "English". > Also I worked in Australia for several months a few years ago and > after > being hassled for my "New Zealand" accent (especially the "fish and > chips" > phrase) I managed to do a convincing Aussie accent with practise :-) > ) > And in terms of New Zealanders and Australians doing American > accents > there are Russell Crowe (New Zealander but has been in several > Austraian > and American films - Romper Stomper, The Sum of Us, ...), Lucy > lawless > (Xena). LA Confidential has several NZ/Australian actors so I was > wondering if how convincing there accents were to the Americans who > have > seen it. > > > Michael Convinced me. I had no idea. So is Lucy Lawless from New Zeland or Australia? Sarah "Turn me into nothing will you? Well, you can take your nothingness and stick it where the sun don't shine!" ~Tasselhoff Burrfoot, "Dragons of Summer Flame" "I will do this. Nothing in my life matters except this. No moment in my life exists except this moment. I am born in this moment, and if I fail, I will die in this moment." ~Raistlin Majere, "The Soulforge" ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: H Johnston Subject: TPDIS: YKWYBWTMTPW... Date: 22 Dec 1999 18:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Or maybe 'You know when you've been spending too much time looking at too much TP stuff on the internet when...' You have a dream about the Old Series, when you've never seen any episodes, and you only found out about its existence 18 months ago when you randomly typed in the name of a favorite children's programme into a search engine. Oh, and you don't really know what the Old series looked like, because you've never looked at any pictures, sounds or clips or anything (the big 'These computers are for academic purposes only!' notices ruling out sites with too many pictures and not enough text!) Can't actually remember what the dream was about, just that there were old series people in it. And I don't remember ever dreaming about the New Series, how strange. Helen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 22 Dec 1999 11:17:34 PST > > > Canadian. Is that good enough? :) > >Really? I never thought so. Could just be me, though. If you're >interested >in region, he's supposed to be from Vermont, and I know that that area of >the >US often sounds differently than you'd expect. I have a teacher from >around >there who sounds rather British. Go figure. The actor is from Canada. I'd say he has the typical "non-accent" of the Midwest. It's the type of accent you hear from Ohio and Illinois. This is the most widely used accent type. Everything you see in American film and TV uses this nondescript accent. That's why it's hard to describe. It's *everywhere*. As opposed to a thick New England accent, which you might typically hear in a Vermonter. :-) > > > I'd like more of a detailed description please. It's for my latest > > story. BTW do you think he would be able to bluff his way posing as a > > lawyer? He would be much older than he was during the series, could he > > pull it off? > >Certainly. Especially at an age where he'd be mature enough to play it >down >a bit. He did rather well when he bustled into that auditions office in >Living Stones. Actually it was Monsoon Man where he did this with Ami. They were trailing the actress who posed as the homeowner where Dr. Fry had his experiment running. > Speaking of which, was anyone else surprised to hear him >seamlessly combining several of Shakespeare's most famous soliloquies in >that >scene? On the other hand, though, would he know any of the legal jargon? > I would think it would be fairly easy. You see enough courtroom dramas in film and TV. It shouldn't be that hard to fake something leagalese sounding. Especially if he's dealing with a bailiff or something, rather than a judge or lawyer. later mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 22 Dec 1999 11:23:22 PST >Which brings up the interesting question - which is more convincing? >Andrew's Scots accent, or his American accent (as heard in TWOE)? > I think his American accent is more convincing. I've known too many Scots not to be annoyed by his 'accent' which barely holds on to any burr before he slips back into proper English. His American accent was quite good though. (Mike's on the other hand. Eew.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 22 Dec 1999 11:26:11 PST >I can't really say much for his Scots accent, but his American accent >was half decent although he did come out sounding rather southern and >quirky even for that. Which brings me to something I've been wondering >for a very long time - why does every British actor who attempts an >American accent end up sounding southern!? > It's the closest match. As strange as it may seem. Most would say New England accents should be closer, but in fact they're much more nasal and require an almost completely different vowel pronunciation. Most of the time when I do an English accent, especially if it's more 'mid' class, I have to work hard to keep it from slipping into a Southern drawl. mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Matott" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 22 Dec 1999 11:31:15 PST > >Just out of curiousity, Do you mean New York City accent? We have 3 >distinct accents in this state alone, In the State? I think there are three distinct accents in the CITY. (I hear noticeable differences between Brooklyn, Bronx, and Queens/Long Island. Manhattanites speak what most of the rest of the New Yorkers speak.) mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AgentRacerX@cs.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte Date: 22 Dec 1999 18:09:47 EST In a message dated 12/22/99 2:31:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, greyfalconsaerie@hotmail.com writes: > In the State? I think there are three distinct accents in the CITY. (I > hear noticeable differences between Brooklyn, Bronx, and Queens/Long Island. > > Manhattanites speak what most of the rest of the New Yorkers speak.) I agree. The thing is, whenever anyone thinks about New York, they always immediately imagine Danny Devito (sp?) or someone like that. Megabyte actually doesn't sound like he has any accent to me, and I'm from Manhattan. -Nicole ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jennifer Newburg" Subject: TPDIS: Old Series Date: 22 Dec 1999 13:52:09 EST Hi Everyone, I've been watching the discussions go by for a while now, and I really must ask some kind soul to help me out! I was a fan of the New Series--I randomly came across it on Nickelodeon and was instantly hooked! But I know nothing about the old series. Can someone give me a high-level view (ack! business term--too many meetings!)of the series and how it's different from the new series (I gather that it is), or just point me toward an FAQ with the info! Thanks bunches! Jennifer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jennifer Newburg" Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte/Accents Date: 22 Dec 1999 16:56:21 EST I find this whole American/English accent thing really interesting! I'm a Bostonian myself, but I don't have an accent, beyond the fact that I am an American! My mother's a New Yorker and my dad's from Boston so I've always thought the pull of those 2 has kept me from having either one--but that's neither here nor there. I did the study abroad thing when I was in college--6 months in London and I was amazed at how much of the Boston accent I could hear in Londoners, except it's much softer. It almost sounds like we took their accent and put harder edges on everything. >From: "Michael Matott" >Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: TPDIS: Megabyte >Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:26:11 PST > > >>I can't really say much for his Scots accent, but his American accent >>was half decent although he did come out sounding rather southern and >>quirky even for that. Which brings me to something I've been wondering >>for a very long time - why does every British actor who attempts an >>American accent end up sounding southern!? >> > >It's the closest match. As strange as it may seem. Most would say New >England accents should be closer, but in fact they're much more nasal and >require an almost completely different vowel pronunciation. > >Most of the time when I do an English accent, especially if it's more 'mid' >class, I have to work hard to keep it from slipping into a Southern drawl. > > >mike > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David M Yates" Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 23 Dec 1999 17:32:26 -0000 In answer to your questions, and to keep the discussion rolling....... >> What was the favorite story? > Either "The Blue and the Green" or "The Doomsday Men." >> Character? Elizabeth......without a doubt. Stephen, Mike and Adam are close seconds. >> Worst story? I must agree with Shaun, "A Man for Emily" is dire!! I also hated "Monsoon Man" >> Worst Character? Carol. Her voice could shatter glass! and her totally 'over the top' reaction to everything was irritating......(even when I was nine!) >> What would someone have done if the TP original show kept going? Hmmmm. I really don't think it could have kept going for much longer. The stories were getting sillier all the time, and the "core cast" was aging. It would have needed a MAJOR re-think; which Thames was not going to do at that time. Its a great pity really, as it was still very popular when they axed it. >> New Show? The new series never really got off the ground. A Pilot and four adventures was WAY too short. IMHO the greatest weakness of the new series was the total lack of continuity with the old one. It left the TP's rootless. However, their greatest strength HAS to be their greater sense of 'togetherness' or community. Without the somewhat over-bearing figure of John, (Sorry Shaun, but he is!!) the team is more of an ensemble. Adam's more laid-back style of leadership is much more to my taste. Their other great strength is @15 years of improvement on the Special Effects!! >> What happened when the TP went to the Trig in between series or when >> characters left the series? The received wisdom is that they went to The Trig. I don't know.....perhaps they just had a holiday, or decided to try and live more "normal" lives. >> Fav alien? None of them.....The SFX was appalling! >> Fav villains? The Original Colonel Masters......He was a villain you could believe in. Not the "Mad Scientist" mold of many of the others. >> What other stories could have been told? The building of The Lab, and the construction of TIM.......Some sort of follow-up on the departed characters? >> How people felt about Tyso and Stephan leaving? I was sorry to see them go. Stephen had been in since the start, and Tyso hadn't really had much chance to develop as a character. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL! David. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: Re: TPDIS: YKWYBWTMTPW... Date: 23 Dec 1999 21:42:31 +0000 H Johnston wrote: > > Or maybe 'You know when you've been spending too much time looking at too > much TP stuff on the internet when...' > > You have a dream about the Old Series, when you've never seen any > episodes, > Can't actually remember what the dream was about, just that there were old > series people in it. > > And I don't remember ever dreaming about the New Series, how strange. > > Helen. Well Helen, as the lists official TP Psychologist I could offer you my free web based analyses lol Actually I'd be pleased to hear about any TP dreams that people wanted analysed. I often dream that I can suddenly move things by TK and run around getting very excited that I must be about to prove RP right! Actually this mail is just an excuse to wish everyone out there in the cyber verse a very merry christmas. I hope you all have a great time and, at John's insistence, I promise not to drink too much this year ;) Peace and good will to you all Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: discussions Date: 24 Dec 1999 09:50:09 +1100 > From: David M Yates [mailto:David_M_Yates@email.msn.com] > The new series never really got off the ground. A Pilot and > four adventures > was WAY too short. IMHO the greatest weakness of the new > series was the > total lack of continuity with the old one. It left the TP's rootless. > However, their greatest strength HAS to be their greater sense of > 'togetherness' or community. Without the somewhat > over-bearing figure of > John, (Sorry Shaun, but he is!!) the team is more of an > ensemble. Adam's > more laid-back style of leadership is much more to my taste. > Their other great strength is @15 years of improvement on the Special > Effects!! No need to apologise - I fully agree that John is an overbearing and dominant figure. I just don't see that as a problem (-8 I believe strongly that groups do need leaders in order to function properly. But I also don't see John being all that dominant. In the first series I think Carol was just as much of a leader figure - her style differed from John's, certainly, but she was the one who went to Stephen to explain what being a Tomorrow Person meant, and she was there for Kenny when John told him off. The interaction between the two of them when they were playing that strange dome game showed their 'equality' in my mind. Liz was also just as much a leader when she came on the scene. In fact, I think she was more dominant that John in many ways - she simply didn't need to express this. Most of the time, John did what was needed and Elizabeth agreed so there was no need for her to intervene - but when she disagreed she made it quite clear. She had the final say... she just rarely needed to use it. Stephen grew to an almost equal status to John over time - in his last season, while he still defers to John, it is deference - not obedience. Mike was never all that obedient - in his case, he comes to respect John and respect his decisions - but when he disagreed with them, he did what he felt was right. With the new series, there is a more obviously cooperative approach, certainly, and this is appealing. But I don't think the cooperation itself is really more - it's just clearer. There are some important differences between the two groups - and that is when you consider the threats they have to deal with. Let's examine the five threats the new series TP had to counter, as compared to the first five the original series TP had to deal with. Original: A mad alien shapechanging robot leading a strange cult, which wanted to use telepaths for its own purposes. The same robot involved in a plan to steal from the present in order to gain monetary reward - at the same time as he threatened to wipe out the TP - the entire species. A pair of alien criminals engaged in a plot that would destroy the world through environmental disaster An alien race that would leave the earth devoid of life in its efforts to leave the planet A plot that would change history thus leaving the galaxy dominated by an evil empire with the destruction of the galactic federation. New: A group of people attempting to catch TP for research purposes. A mad geneticist/biologist breeding a super mosquito that could render life extinct A mad cereal producer out to change the world's climate An ancient Egyptian attempting to prolong his life and gain massive power An alien invasion. Both groups face different threats - with the original series, four of the five things that they could deal with could result in their own extinction - and possibly that of all humanity. The new series TP have to deal with two potential extinctions. They face lesser threats (but not by much). The danger is less, the risk is less, and so there is less of a risk for massively fast decisions - cooperation can work. Also, consider that makeup of the two groups. In the original series, while John is close to maturity, as is Carol, they do have to worry about children - Stephen and Kenny. In the new series, the majority of the TP are closer in age - Adam has close support from Megabyte and Lisa (then Ami) and while Kevin is a little kid, he's irrelevant after the first story - and Jade is really irrelevant until near the end of the last one. If John had had more opportunity to deal with 'equals' from the start rather than having to worry about kids, maybe he'd have been more prone to cooperation. But I submit that John didn't have the luxury Adam had. Adam was surrounded by those who he could trust to have a similar level of judgement this own - and so he could rely on them. John had to consider the reality that he was more likely to make the right choices than those around him - because some of those were kids. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hately, Shaun" Subject: RE: TPDIS: Old Series Date: 24 Dec 1999 10:37:52 +1100 > From: Jennifer Newburg [mailto:newburgj@hotmail.com] > > Hi Everyone, > > I've been watching the discussions go by for a while now, and > I really must > ask some kind soul to help me out! > > I was a fan of the New Series--I randomly came across it on > Nickelodeon and > was instantly hooked! But I know nothing about the old > series. Can someone > give me a high-level view (ack! business term--too many > meetings!)of the > series and how it's different from the new series (I gather > that it is), or > just point me toward an FAQ with the info! How does it differ? Let me count the ways! It's easiest to start with the similarities. Both series revolve around a group of young people with extraordinary abilities. They are the next stage of human evolution. Their abilities are similar - telepathy, teleportation (called jaunting in the original series), and telekinesis (far more obvious in the original series). And both groups have the same limitation - they can't kill. The differences though are many. First of all, the Original Series is (at least to start with) a more serious show. It's more realistic with less silliness - that changed later on, but originally the show was a lot more credible. Though aimed at kids, it was less of a children's show - the stories were sometimes darker, including a couple (The Dirtiest Business, The Heart of Sogguth) that were very dark and quite adult in nature. The characters were also older - at least eventually. John and Liz started out in their late teens, but the show did run for six years, so by the end of it, they were obviously adults. This wasn't as true in the new series - Adam, Megabyte, and Ami are probably legally adults by the end - but they're still kids and they still act like kids. The Original Series also went further afield - the new series TP were confined to Earth, but the original series TP travelled to other planets and other times. Where the new series TP had the spaceship, it only played a minor part compared to the Lab(s) built by the original TP which were their base, and often their homes - and dominated by the computer (Artificial Intelligence) named TIM, who was a character in his? own right. There are similarities - but really the new series just took the basic concept of the original and then went its own way. Shaun CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; (c) please delete the original e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 23 Dec 1999 20:09:13 EST In a message dated 99-12-20 18:36:19 EST, you write: << (of course, what I really would have liked for the 1980 season would have been for them to decide they needed a five-year old Australian TP...) >> Would this have been you or Adam? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 23 Dec 1999 20:09:56 EST Does anyone know what the plot of the written but unfilmed finale story by Roger Price was? It was supposed to be made after WAR OF THE EMPIRES. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Old Series some spoilers Date: 23 Dec 1999 21:16:36 EST I think from the start it was a dark, serious show and while that changed aplenty, it still had that potential, CASTLE OF FEAR coming close to getting that back as well as parts of WAR OF THE EMPIRES. From the opening with Stephen collapsing in the marketplace and the dark, strange credits in the second episode of SLAVES OF JEDKIAH, it was clear this was something imaginative. It didn't always reach those imaginative depths but it tried real hard and I think for shows like the TP (and other sci fic fantasy shows) the ideas are often the most important thing, even moreso than the actual scripts or execution of the scripts. There was always a feeling of mystery about the Lab, John, Carol, and Kenny in these first five episodes and from Stephen's point of view. TIM, on the other hand, while mysterious in the first episode, is jolly warm when he meets Stephen and we take to him very well. He makes the Lab, at first a strange place but then a warm place, offsetting some of the darker corners of this strangly lit place. The feeling was one of anything can happen, you can be taken to other planets, even other times both on Earth and in space. Also there was the powers of the Tp. Kenny seemed very strong telepathically and could destroy things with his mind. The whole idea of a mind opening up was brought home by Carol in the first ep when she talked to Stephen. When I talked with John Peel, he conferred that the best part of the show was the fact that we survive into the future, that we become something beautiful and peaceful and that we put violence behind us. I agree whole heartedly. The idea of peaceful heroes who cannot or will not kill is a nice one. It does leave them open for threats though and I think in many ways the sadistic-macochistic tendencies of the villains made the show a draw. They were a nasty bunch, at least in the first season. And the second. As time went on, the show matured and lost its two immature characters. While Carol and Kenny had their good points, Carol was irritating with her voice and her hysterics and Kenny, underused, really was not well acted but he had possbilities. I like the fact that in the first story they were not seen in, it was explained what happened to them. There were a few mentions of them in the future episodes and I am glad of this. It maintained that other world feeling. Too bad Stephan wasn't mentioned after he left. Even Tyso had a mention after he left (in CASTLE OF FEAR, one of the better later stories). BLUE AND THE GREEN had some great ideas and A RIFT IN TIME was even better in execution than the same ideas when they were done on STAR TREK. The explanation of the time rift in A RIFT IN TIME was a good one and well done. The addition of Peter, while a bit foppish, gave the show a future to look forward to...but not too much was revealed...we had glimpses of and hints of the future and the Time Guardians in a few tales as well as the Galactic Federation (no glimpses until WAR OF THE EMPIRES) and in the very early episodes the Sophistrians, the planet of whom is where Kenny, Carol, and John once spent some time. These aliens also helped them develop their powers and lab. The imaginative stories spanned time, the mind, and space. WORLD'S AWAY was one good example. It had faults but it told of the psi cannibals the alien Kulthan and the tele world of Peeri. Before this, the gypsy caravan seemed a good place for mysterious stories and supernatural intrigue to jump start from, although this was never fully explored or realised as a setting. SECRET WEAPON, possibly the best acted and written story of the entire series, gave us the intrigue that could happen between the governments of the world, the TP, and the Tp allies such as Chris Harding. Each story introduced allies and villains who were more than one dimensional and who had a life before the story and seemingly would after the story ended. Things happened on this show and characters had lives. A MAN FOR EMILY was possibly the end of the series in many ways. Yet it was just one story. And it had some good ideas amid the awful slapstick and bad FAMILY. Peter Davison was embarassing but nothing compared to the two awful female guest stars. Really red faced when watching this one. Again, it had some good ideas but the thing is, these were wasted. A ship that controlled a family. A family of low intellect out in space with enough firepower to destroy a planet. Space aliens who get the idea of Earth from watching old movies and transmissions out in space. Generations of people living on a spaceship. Unlike DOCTOR WHO, the show was based on Earth, whereas DW was based in the time traveling, space spanning TARDIS and unlike DW, the TP show was better able to handle the flexible format. Adventures could happen as easily in space and time as on Earth. WHen a new show started, one never knew what would happen. THE DOOMSDAY MEN was special for me because it was the first one I saw--the end of ep 1. I didn't know much about the series and thought from some misheard quotes that the Tp had "immortality" in other words they did thru knowing they would survive into the future as a TP race and that more would break out in a Great Breakout, via Peter's knowledge of this in the future but I thought Stephen and John were immortal (and that perhaps Liz wasn't). I didn't know if Chris was one of them. And for a moment, I thought Lee Wan was becoming one of them. Anyway what intrigued me most was the fact that Stephen appeared to be put into a situation that he had to fight or kill or be killed...and he couldn't kill. The location shooting and setting of DOOMSDAY MEN was nice to see. It juggled the space stuff rather well (even if the special FX weren't very special). The theme music and its variations as well as the variations in the show added to the mystery of the mind. What would happen? REVENGE OF JEDKIAH gave us heroes who seemed on the verge of dying and for a awhile I actually thought John and Liz might die as well as thinking Tykno was a goner. In fact, Price wanted to kill everyone off. Tricia Conway had an interesting background. As a psi person, she could have been one of the TP but her thinking and her alignment with the military made her not be. There were others like this...a girl soldier we were told who vanished when she jaunted without control...and the abrasive Major Turner in THE DIRTIEST BUSINESS. Mike's joining only seemed to add tension and more drama, much needed after A MAN FOR EMILY. A move away from Tyso's sister was a good one. She nearly dominated REVENGE. But I would have liked to have seen more of Col. Masters, Tricia and the life on the Trig. We were to have none of it (the Trig we got in WAR doesn't really live up to expectations). Mike gave us more drama and interaction between the five. Unfortunately this was short lived. The next story sent the TP into a black hole on an alien spaceship. SOme of this story, INTO THE UNKNOWN was a bit forced but it had some nice ideas like the twisted space tunnel and firing into it would be akin to firing on yourself as the ray would be twisted back to you. Tyso was relagated to the Lab while everyone else was away on the spaceships stuck in space or the black hole. Or whatever it was. The Mini TIm was a nice touch and jaunting between spaceships...five TP were not too many. Stephen and Tyso's just vanishing was offset by a good script, A DIRTIEST BUSINESS but Mike and his new love Pavla had one too many gushy "love" talk scenes. Still this was not to ruin the scary, very serious story and the one major death scene. IN fact, people died on the show all the time, not excessively but enough to remind us this was a dangerous world. DDmen shot the men on the space station, Jedkiah killed a major soldier character in REVENGE, a psi girl was blown to bits on screen as she jumped out a window. Even later when things went really goofy with puppet robots on spaceships (THARGON MENACE, one of the worst stories) we saw Hsue Tai fatally shot. I must also mention two of the best characters to come out of the show: Cawston and Chris Harding. What the heck happened to them? Why didn't we get to see more? Well behind the scenes Price was being manipulated and/or losing interest. He wanted to end the show. He wanted to keep Stephen and Tyso but was forced, he claims, to make them leave, thus he wouldn't explain why they left. A MUCH NEEDED HOLIDAY, despite being maligned, wasn't too bad and concerned a primitive planet and nasty aliens abusing children to dig mines. THE HEART OF SOGGOTH gave us a supernatural slant with a tale of the devil and the good that combats it. Things didn't get bad until THARGON MENACE. Even Hsue Tai, not a loved character by some, was different. She was not, for once, a British person. LOST GODS was not bad by any means but losing Liz...was scary. Glad she returned soon. HITLER'S LAST STAND was okay but not thrilling in the second episode. The fact that Hitler was an alien not only contradicted a previous statement made in the second story of the series but also somehow cheapened that Hitler was really a human monster. Perhaps there were three Hitlers. Anyhow, THARGON MENACE was the first in a series of silly storylines. And silly characters. Worse than that ACHILLES' HEEL gave us two more than half naked old alien men in a hotel room! CASTLE OF FEAR seemed to bring back some of the scary dark corners of the Tp with Andrew, the castle, and his illusions. This gave me some hope for the show. His mischievous character seemed to allude to Stephen. LIVING SKINS had some embarassing scenes as did WAR OF THE EMPIRES and the worst alien line up ever was in WAR..those silly Saucins were just badly done as were the Trig alien council. ANyhow things did go a bit bad but the show always remained full of ideas and I am sure if Price couldn't handle it, someone else could have taken it over and made it work. It is a shame that it didn't go on. Another story was scripted and/or planned. A four part to end the show. A strike ended it, supposedly. In the mid to late 1980s, Price, together with Barry Blair, a noted comic artist and who worked on the intro art of YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON TELEVISION, worked on a new proposal of the TP. Blair even drew a new comic book of the show to promote it. From what he could remember, it featured TIM, some of the old TP, and some younger new TP and would have been based in either Canada, Florida, or possibly both as well as in London or some other place in England. I think Australia might have come into the talks for a bit as did the guy who played TIM. Anyhow I think Kevin Kubescki from YOU CAN'T might have been in the show. I also seem to recall Price mentioned a show about Kevin who would teleport but without his clothes! None of this came about. Then as you all know we had a new show in 1990 or 1991 and it had almost no connection to the old show. Even Price left it after the first story I think.It had none of the mystery, ideas, or aura of the older show. It was just an action show. Hardly the same at all. It did have some interesting characters in Adam, Megabyte and even Kevin but it dwelt on silliness from the beginning and kept with that all throughout. The best tale, the Egypt one, was just okay. It had silly aliens in it too though. The best thing about this was the unaired pilot which looked fresh and had some of the silliness played down. Even Lisa was good in it. The other stories, well, didn't build this whole world of space, time, and mind. It just kind of was. It didn't focus on the TP and their powers and growth. Instead it focused on a UNIT like dad of Mega's, aliens, and the parents. Kind of boring. Anyway I hope this gave those who haven't seen the show an idea of what experiencing it was like. It was imaginative! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruby Red Subject: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: Old Series some spoilers) Date: 25 Dec 1999 18:11:02 +1100 On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 09:16:36PM -0500, CMento6653@aol.com wrote: [ a long and intelligent post about the strengths and weaknesses of the Old Series, mostly strengths, snipped] > Then as you all know we had a new show in 1990 or 1991 and it had almost no > connection to the old show. Even Price left it after the first story I > think.It had none of the mystery, ideas, or aura of the older show. It was > just an action show. Hardly the same at all. It did have some interesting > characters in Adam, Megabyte and even Kevin but it dwelt on silliness from > the beginning and kept with that all throughout. The best tale, the Egypt > one, was just okay. It had silly aliens in it too though. The best thing > about this was the unaired pilot which looked fresh and had some of the > silliness played down. Even Lisa was good in it. I'd like to defend the New Series. I agree that the silly villains were the worst weakness, but I have to say that there *are* certain things that the New Series did do better than the Old Series, and I don't just mean the SFX. I think the characterisations of the *kids* were better. I really liked it how Kevin and Lisa in the origin story, *didn't* want to stand out as wierd, and I liked the light-heartedness of the general interactions between all the TP characters. I like that they seem to have more of a social life outside of their TP adventures - Megabyte and Adam going to a dance club, Megabyte being a fan of Byron Lucifer, watching videos and eating pizza, and so on. I liked that we actually saw some of the parents, okay, so we only saw three parents (Megabyte's dad, Lisa's mum and Ami's mum) but in the old series it was only Andrew's father that we saw. And I *like* General Damon. As for the "silly aliens" in The Rameses Connection, they weren't aliens! I actually thought that they were the most original and mysterious part of that entire adventure. Something from the Other Side, something so completely off the wall and what you didn't expect. The Rameses Connection and The Living Stones at least got away from the silly villains and actually were serious adventures. I liked Lucy. A non-TP friend with 200% spunk! A pity we never saw her again. KJA -- Ruby Red http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat http://www.crosswinds.net/~rubykat "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: Old Series some spoilers) Date: 25 Dec 1999 13:43:55 EST <<<<<<,a long and intelligent post about the strengths and weaknesses of the Old Series, mostly strengths, snipped]>>>>>>>>> Thanks. I am very opinionated but I don't mean anything insulting to anyone nor to start angered fights or anything, just to discuss the show (s). Most of what you wrote was true. But we knew about John's family, his dad was in the military, they supported his being a TP unlike Lisa's mom who just went into some sort of shock and Ami's mom who "loved" her too much to let her be involved (realistic as this is I found it an annoying part of the storylines). Mega's dad was a dull character for the most part and his involvement only leant to UNIT stories. We never saw his mom or sis, just from what Mega told us we didn't really want to. And Kevin's parents we don't see at all. As for Adam...there was no background, which leant to mystery I agree but something would have given us something to grasp on to. On the whole, I like Adam the best, probably better than John. He was kind of mysterious in the first tale but by the end, he was just dull, too. Nothing came of his "romance" with Lucy or Ami and his leadership abilities (climbing a pyramid notwithstanding) were somewhat lacking. He was just kind of Mega's foil. And he did some of the action scenes what little there was. <<<<<<< Something from the Other Side, something so completely off the wall and what you didn't expect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other Side? Either I didn't care to pay attention by the time there was an explanation or there wasn't one. They were almost as silly as the characters in A MAN FOR EMILY and ACHILLES' HEEL. They really ruined the story for me--the rest was so serious. As for LIVING STONES, yes it was more serious but being just an INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS story and not very well done and another UNIT rip off type tale, it just bored to tears. It has been done before time and time again on TV and much better. I liked Lucy too and she would have added a bit more to the show if she stayed. Perhaps later on, she could have broken out. However, I also saw her as a bit of Lois Lane from LOIS AND CLARK and the SUPERMAN movies and comics. She was there to get into trouble and get rescued by Adam. Still, I would have liked her to remain. Back to families and such: Stephen was a fencing expert, his mom we saw, his dad was uninvolved and could have been his step dad. Stephen's dad in the first novel had a job: a scientist I think. There was also mention of his friend from the neighborhood and his friend's brother. I have to check my datafile for names. Liz was from Africa originally. Not much of her family in the series but in the comics we meet her dad. In the novels, she had her own apartment and a nosy landlady ala the lady from BEWITCHED who kept spying on Samantha. Mike had a mom and a sister, probably no dad. His mom once went to prison for stealing I think. Tyso's family was pretty much there and involved for a short time, especially his sister and mum. There was even more about them in the novels but not very much. His dad was a bit of a crook. He had other brothers and sisters probably including one named Sam. Other kids at the caravan may have been relatives. Tyso's parents sometimes went to France for a carnival or something. Being a gypsy, Tyso probably knew how to dance. He knew how to hunt. They needed money, like Mike's family. Andrew's mum is dead. His dad was in the war. Which one? Hsue Tai we know nothing of her family. I did a story about this, about her grandfather and a telepathic whale (yes, you heard that right!). I also wrote up her background being part Japanese and part Chinese. She was kidnapped as a child. Carol: most info from the novels. Her mom and dad both had jobs. One of them was a newscaster or reporter and one made documentaries? Kenny's mom and sister were mentioned, probably were poor from the way they were talked about in the novels and series but not sure of this. Kenny and Stephen played soccer, went to school. Liz taught and student taught. John was an inventor. Mike went to discos and had a band. I think this was a lot of background but admit there could have been more of it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tassierilla@juno.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 25 Dec 1999 20:54:59 -0500 Well, I'll give this one a shot, though I haven't seen the old series. > >> What was the favorite story? Definately "The Rameses Connection" > > >> Character? Ack! You had to ask this one! It's either Adam or Jade, i can never decide. > > > >> Worst story? Having only seen a total of 5 stories, It doesn't feel right to put an answer here, though I'd have to go with the Culex Experiment simply because it proved to me that yes, a television episode can be overplayed. > > >> Worst Character? > There are none! Or, not at least of the ones I've seen > > >> What would someone have done if the TP original show kept going? > Don't know...sorry. > > >> New Show? Well, for one thing, keeping a sponsor. Didn't they have to cancel it because Nickelodeon stopped funding the show? > > >> What happened when the TP went to the Trig in between series or > when > >> characters left the series? They decided that they didn't lke the idea of superhuman powers and stopped showing up for work?? > > >> Fav alien? Alien?? I'm not sure, the pod people? > > >> Fav villains? Rameses! > > >> What other stories could have been told? Are you kidding me? there were probably like a million stories that could have told! I mean, just look at all the fan fiction! > > >> How people felt about Tyso and Stephan leaving? They left? *feels very deprived* Wishing you all the best of luck when Y2K comes around. Oh yeah, I swear I haven't been stocking up on supplies! I just really really like spam! Why are you not believeing me? Sarah "Turn me into nothing will you? Well, you can take your nothingness and stick it where the sun don't shine!" ~Tasselhoff Burrfoot, "Dragons of Summer Flame" "I will do this. Nothing in my life matters except this. No moment in my life exists except this moment. I am born in this moment, and if I fail, I will die in this moment." ~Raistlin Majere, "The Soulforge" ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Turner Subject: TPDIS: YKYBW*W*TMTPW... Date: 25 Dec 1999 21:52:41 -0800 (PST) When you pick a school jacket because you think it looks like the one Kevin wore in the Origin Story, and practically beg your mother to get you *that* one... then later, realize it isn't nearly as similar as you had thought. Then look at your mother very strangely when she exasperatedly asks why you won't wear your new school jacket. =) More sensible now, Ryan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rachael Bailey" Subject: RE: TPDIS: discussions Date: 26 Dec 1999 03:49:59 PST >What was the favorite story? Any with Stephen in them :) The Doomsday Men being my personal fav. >Character? Stephen, although Megabyte and Mike both come close seconds. >Worst story? Unlike the rest of you 'A man for Emily' cracked me up, i thought it was hilarious. The worst for me were The Heart of Sogguth and Living Skins. >Character? Carol without a doubt as far as the females go. Her voice and mannerisms annoyed me no end. Mind you Jade and Ami (cause of her hand gestures), annoyed me nearly as much. But as Shaun very well knows, i can't handle John, and i'm very glad that, despite his efforts, Shaun does not have John's bad characteristics (which is most of his characteristics as far as i'm concerned) because otherwise we wouldn't get along too well. >What would someone have done if the TP original show kept going? Have a party every day of the week :) IMHO the worst mistake they ever made was getting rid of PVC. But you all already know i'm a bit Stephen biased. >New Show? Get rid of Jade. Bring in some of the old actors like they originally planned to do. >What happened when the TP went to the Trig in between series or when >characters left the series? I agree with Shaun in the fact that i could see John and Liz involved in the political side of things. I believe it would bore Stephen no end, he would like a more active role, not a diplomatic one. (Too tired to think about all the other characters sorry) >Fav alien? The group from the Blue and the Green, their society is the only one fully explored and explained by the show. >Fav villains? Definately Jedekiah, I've always been facinated with Shape Shifting. >What other stories could have been told? I would like to have seen the television version of 'The Great Mothers of Matra' from the book 'Three in Three' For those of you who don't know the story it involves Stephen, Liz and John, Lotsa giant women and little shape shifters who most often use the form of little bears which are referred to as Nola Bears (I'm too lazy to explain the actual story line but it's my fav of all the book stories). The reasons for wanting to see this on tv is: a) The Nola Bears b) Stephen in a dress the giant women made him wear: and i quote "a long, frilly, flower-patterened, lace-trimmed, dress". plus numerous other reasons. >How people felt about Tyso and Stephan leaving? Tyso's leaving was a blessing. Stephen should not have gone (definately not biased all all...nooooo). It just wasn't the same when he left. He was the first TP we saw to break out and people could identify with him more easliy than they could John. Rachael with an A :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 26 Dec 1999 14:12:30 EST Hello: In a message dated 99-12-26 06:50:44 EST, Rachel A wrote: << The group from the Blue and the Green, their society is the only one fully explored and explained by the show. >> Hi! I like your ideas. I cannot agree, however about this comment above. I like the mystery of the characters and Robert was one of the best, if not the best antagonists in the series, seemingly evil throughout but not really evil as it turns out. However, I am not sure what they were getting at with the eggs and cuckoos and violence needed to hatch them. I like the idea but it just didn't seem to be fully developed. If they were full humans or human like on Earth and lived lives already as beings here, why did they need to "hatch"--what was their original planet like? Were there other beings on it--there would almost have had to have been for them to hatch they need others to kill or hurt each other. The others didn't have much to say or do but Robert was fully realized even if his background didn't make much sense. Where did he start out? Was he just "born" in a human form or was his form as a human illusionatory? I guess in a way I liked some of the humor. A MAN FOR EMILY could have been better though. I think when the characters were in there kicking--and by that I mean the TP--it was funny. John's, as well as Liz and Tyso's, reactions, to Stephen's carelessness was quite funny. Stephen's reactions to the Momma, Emily, and Elmer were funny too. It was just the aliens that were not funny, the let down. I like the interaction of all four TP here, one of the first times since Tyso's breakout and first mission that we see them acting as a team. Tyso's avoidance of work from John, everyone's avoidance of having to go the Ship to deal with the Momma and her children were all quite funny and even the chase with Elmer and Stephen was funny in a way. Just watching the aliens was so embarassing. Non-Tp fans or just casual viewers who saw that were put off by the series totally. I think someone also saw THE LIVING SKINS and were put off by the bubble aliens but that was nothing compared to the embarassment of A MAN and ACHILLE'S HEELS aliens. The villains and puppet robots didn't do much for me in THE THARGON MENACE. Fortunately the puppets were toned down for WAR OF THE EMPIRES (if they were there at all). I think the cast was comfortable doing comedy. The cast of the original series as well as the new series and as a team they did it well but the guest stars kind of didn't have that pace with the rest of them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ana Isabel Sacristan Subject: RE: TPDIS: discussions Date: 22 Dec 1999 00:35:10 -0600 At 10:35 21/12/99 +1100, Shaun wrote: >OK, cool - some questions. > >> What was the favorite story? > >The Blue and The Green Although I agree that TB&TG is probably the best, my favorites are: Secret Weapon and Worlds Away. >> Character? > >John - without a doubt IMHO. For me: Stephen, without a doubt. (The question is for favorite, not for best). >> Worst story? > >A Man for Emily - silly beyond belief. Ditto >> Character? >Kenny Hsui Tai > >> What other stories could have been told? > >How John broke out - and the TP's history prior to SoJ. Definitely. I loved the first breaking out stories, when breaking out was a dangerous thing. (After Mike, breaking out stopped being interesting). I would also have liked to see an episode with ALL the TP present. > >> How people felt about Tyso and Stephan leaving? > >Didn't care too much - I didn't care much about Tyso, but I absolutely mourned the disappearance of Stephen! The TP was never again the same for me without Stephen. >Stephen, he was rapidly becoming a John-clone. ...It was time for him to go. I disagree!!!! Ana (I am in Mexico) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 27 Dec 1999 22:31:12 +0000 Ana Isabel Sacristan wrote: > > > >How John broke out - and the TP's history prior to SoJ. > Definitely. I loved the first breaking out stories, when breaking out was a > dangerous thing. (After Mike, breaking out stopped being interesting). > I would also have liked to see an episode with ALL the TP present. Here is a bit of trivia for you... there was a scene recorded which showed Mike Holoway 'acting' his breakout, but it was so bad that RP was embarrassed to include it and it was cut. After that no more dangerous break out scenes were produced. Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 28 Dec 1999 03:18:16 EST In a message dated 99-12-27 17:35:45 EST, you write: << Here is a bit of trivia for you... there was a scene recorded which showed Mike Holoway 'acting' his breakout, but it was so bad that RP was embarrassed to include it and it was cut. After that no more dangerous break out scenes were produced. >> How do you come to know this? I recall in the book, Mike broke out in the jail cell but I also think somehow, maybe after this, he jaunted indiscriminately to save a little girl from getting run ovre by a car, possibly Dunning's car. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackie Newman Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 28 Dec 1999 11:30:29 +0000 CMento6653@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 99-12-27 17:35:45 EST, you write: > > << > Here is a bit of trivia for you... there was a scene recorded which > showed Mike Holoway 'acting' his breakout, but it was so bad that RP was > embarrassed to include it and it was cut. After that no more dangerous > break out scenes were produced. > >> > > How do you come to know this? > > I recall in the book, Mike broke out in the jail cell but I also think > somehow, maybe after this, he jaunted indiscriminately to save a little girl > from getting run ovre by a car, possibly Dunning's car. I know this because one of the cast mentioned it during the 25th anniversary video. Mike himself was questioned about the scene and denied knowledge of why it was cut, but judging from the indiscreet comments made by a few of the others it must be true. Of course such a thing is rather libellous and so I cannot reveal any further details hehe (Oh the power!!!). BTW is new yrs day still our official TP holiday? I'll be in Edinburgh with 20,000 others celebrating and doubt that I can get to a video. Happy New Millennium everyone :)))) Jackie -- May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled. (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: discussions Date: 28 Dec 1999 12:05:51 EST Where can I get the video? Is it available? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Horrocks, Elizabeth" Subject: RE: TPDIS: discussions Date: 28 Dec 1999 15:48:22 -0500 > What was the favorite story? The Blue and the Green- Liz's breakout seemed so realistic to me with her initial denial and skepticism... I feel I would have reacted the same way. NEW: The Origin story... Granted it wasn't terribly original, but I thought it introduced the characters well. > Character? I think I'll have to go with Chris Harding... the sap friend. Why? Because out of everyone I relate to him the most. His wild idea's and sap-like tendencies gave the TP's a well needed dose of reality. He wasn't Mr. Intellectual, but he had street smarts and loyalty and I think helped them keep their egos in check and feet on the ground. Also, it would be SO like me to be reading a 'How to develop Psi powers' book amongst a handful of telepaths... ;) TP character: Elizabeth. She was logical yet could nurture the others much better then John ever could. She also had a smart sense of humor and knew when to speak her mind. NEW: I've always liked Jade. Sure, she was annoying, but she was young... She had a certain pluckiness that would have been a great addition to the TP circle. Besides, Megabyte needed a sparring partner;) > Worst story? A Man for Emily... Now I'm not saying I don't like it...I'm just saying it's not a particularly good story. I giggle pretty readily throughout, but I still cringe every time John spanks Emily. In a nutshell, the story totally strayed from the more serious tone of the series and comes off as a bit tacky. > Character? Hsui Tai. Her character was just never fully developed, and I just don't see how she added much to the series. NEW: Monsoon Man. It had some good moments (Eat socks buster!), but the bumbling lackey's and that Colonel Cobb guy just have to go... :P Character? Lisa. She just wasn't terribly interesting. Given more time, she probably would have improved... > What would someone have done if the TP original show kept going?: More episodes dealing with the Trig... Until the last serial the trig was pretty mysterious. I would have liked to get a better idea of what RP had in mind for it. NEW: I wish we could have seen them further develop their powers (healing, telekinesis, etc.)and find out more about the ship and where it came from. > What other stories could have been told? More background on John. (My guess is he was a Vulcan in a former life) ;) I would have liked a little insight on what made him tick... > How people felt about Tyso and Stephan leaving? Scarred beyond belief! I loved the relationship between John and Stephen... Sure, he had become a lot like John, but that in itself was a basis for what could have been some great stories. Sure his role had changed, but I think it would have been interesting to see how he dealt as a leader instead of a follower. Maybe I was just too attached. I mean, we had watched him break out as a boy and then watched him grow into a adult TP. The show just wasn't the same for me once he was gone... As for Tyso, I was looking forward to them developing his character a bit more... Sadly, they never bothered:( -Betsy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Beth Epstein" Subject: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 31 Dec 1999 11:10:12 -0600 This popped over from my Earthlink account. Weird. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the email to cough up any more headers than the To and From lines, and these seem to be confusing the xmission server. *shrug* Also, sorry I'm late for those of you across the dateline. :) Tigger -------- Beth, Please pass this on to tpdis, as I am not subscribed and can't post. I want to wish each of you a happy and safe New Year. Whatever you are doing tonight, please remember that there are a few crazy saps out there looking to spoil it for the rest of us. John was right, we should keep our eyes and senses peeled and try to help wherever possible (even if it's just a cell phone call to the police). However, the numbers only turn over like this once every thousand years (I'll leave the 2000/2001 debate out of this), so remember to have some fun too. And quit worrying so much about whether John would approve for one night. Remember, Peter predicted that the Tomorrow People would start to emerge in the 21st century. And who knows if that means this year, next year, or 75 years from now when we'll be able to be more public. Again, my best wishes for the new year. Stephen Jameson PS Has anyone checked to make sure TIM is y2k compatible? Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Bumbarger" Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 31 Dec 1999 12:57:52 -0500 Wow. You must have a really great earthlink account, Beth :-) Cute, very cute . . . of course, I am wondering now . . . Is TIM Y2K compliant? Happy New Year's to each and everyone . . . remember, be smart and be Y2K complacent. ::Re-activating lurker channel alpha one:: Michele Bumbarger ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 12:10 PM > > This popped over from my Earthlink account. Weird. Unfortunately, > I can't seem to get the email to cough up any more headers than the To and From lines, and these seem to be confusing the xmission server. *shrug* > Also, sorry I'm late for those of you across the dateline. :) > Tigger > -------- > > Beth, > Please pass this on to tpdis, as I am not subscribed and can't post. > > I want to wish each of you a happy and safe New Year. Whatever > you are doing tonight, please remember that there are a few crazy > saps out there looking to spoil it for the rest of us. John was > right, we should keep our eyes and senses peeled and try to help > wherever possible (even if it's just a cell phone call to the police). > > However, the numbers only turn over like this once every thousand > years (I'll leave the 2000/2001 debate out of this), so remember > to have some fun too. And quit worrying so much about whether John would approve for one night. > > Remember, Peter predicted that the Tomorrow People would start to > emerge in the 21st century. And who knows if that means this year, > next year, or 75 years from now when we'll be able to be more public. > > Again, my best wishes for the new year. > Stephen Jameson > PS Has anyone checked to make sure TIM is y2k compatible? > > > Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Latimer84@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 31 Dec 1999 13:57:50 EST In a message dated 12/31/1999 12:10:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, tptigger@mac-addict.com writes: > PS Has anyone checked to make sure TIM is y2k compatible? Hmmm... I wonder if TIM would find this acceptable? "That is none of your business, John." =) -Geoff, who just finished installing AOL 5.0 twice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vivian Arney Subject: Re: TPDIS: Archive locations Date: 31 Dec 1999 13:53:59 -0800 (PST) Hi Wendy, Hope you had a great Chrismas and have a great New Year!!!! I've been trying to post a question on the fiction list, but it keeps bouncing back - have I got the address right? tpfict@xmission.com I was just wanting to know whether it's okay to post a note asking for contributions for a zine? Take care viv Tia's Pals' Press c/o Vivian Arney P.O. Box 4187 Austin, Tx 78765-4187 We've been selling Fanfiction, memorabilia and books for twelve years. SASE for more info. _______________________________________________________ Visit Excite Shopping at http://shopping.excite.com The fastest way to find your Holiday gift this season ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wendy Kelley Subject: TPDIS: TP Episode Guide/ Photo Gallery Date: 31 Dec 1999 16:28:47 -0600 ade (a name that should be familiar to multi-year members of this list) has asked me to announce that her TP Episode Guide / Photo Gallery is back online. I don't yet have confirmation of its location, but I'll be posting that as soon as I know it. ... Wendy ladyslvr@xmission.com * http://www.xmission.com/~ladyslvr/ Listowner: Tomorrow People fiction and discussion lists Listowner: Sliders creative list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SapphireSky Subject: Re: TPDIS: Old Series some spoilers Date: 31 Dec 1999 17:05:33 +0000 > Then as you all know we had a new show in 1990 or 1991 and it had almost no > connection to the old show. Even Price left it after the first story I > think.It had none of the mystery, ideas, or aura of the older show. It was > just an action show. Cough, cough GAG. Yes it did! From the very first commercial I saw for "The Origin Story", I felt it had an "aura" and "mystery" and, when I saw the actual show, I saw that was true. Everything from the opening music to the random teleportations across the globe to a kid who was afraid of his powers to a pneumatic, communicating spaceship to a group of kids who were drawn together in what was basically a battle for survival to Megabyte's breakout...it was awesome, certainly not just an action show. >It did have some interesting > characters in Adam, Megabyte and even Kevin but it dwelt on silliness from > the beginning and kept with that all throughout. The best tale, the Egypt > one, was just okay. It had silly aliens in it too though. The best thing > about this was the unaired pilot which looked fresh and had some of the > silliness played down. Even Lisa was good in it. But it usually knew how to be serious when it needed to be. The end of each serial was really good (Rameses was a little overdone, but I still really enjoyed it). The breakouts were great - I love how Jade was stuck in that boiler room and, knowing that she didn't have the time to drag Megabyte out, makes the decision to try to teleport with her last few seconds. I didn't care a whole lot for the "Monsoon Man" entourage - Cobb was a bit too overblown. And I sure didn't care much for Lucy "Can somebody buy me some common sense, because I sure don't have any!" Allen. The show usually portrayed females in a very favorable light: Beth and Dr. Connor were intelligent and strong, while Lucy didn't know how to control her curious impulses. Most of the supporting characters were good, though. I like Damon a lot - the scene in "The Origin Story" Part 4 when we learned who he was is priceless. Megabyte is also an interesting character, and it's nice to see where he came from. I don't think there was any point of getting him out of the hospital at the end of "The Living Stones" though, because the only thing he contributed was a shake of Beaumont-Savage's collar. > The other stories, well, didn't build this whole world of space, time, and > mind. It just kind of was. It didn't focus on the TP and their powers and > growth. Instead it focused on a UNIT like dad of Mega's, aliens, and the > parents. Kind of boring. I agree that I would have appreciated some more focus on their powers - that was the best part of the show - but I wouldn't call them "boring" by any means. (Side note: I was planning to stop watching my daily episode of TTP this new millennium, but realized that I love it too much to stop right now!) I'm sorry if I seem argumentative, but The Tomorrow People is one subject about which I feel VERY passionate! Happy Millennium, everybody!!! London is set to ring it in in 2 hours - wouldn't it be cool if a bunch of TP broke out at that moment? :) Ya never know! Rachel with an E :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CMento6653@aol.com Subject: Re: TPDIS: Old Series some spoilers Date: 31 Dec 1999 19:29:48 EST Hey you weren't arguementative at all. You just shared your opinion, which is fine. I am glad people are at least talking about the show(s). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Hately" Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Year's Greetings Date: 01 Jan 1999 15:43:30 +1100 >In a message dated 12/31/1999 12:10:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, >tptigger@mac-addict.com writes: > >> PS Has anyone checked to make sure TIM is y2k compatible? > >Hmmm... I wonder if TIM would find this acceptable? "That is none of your >business, John." =) *Of course*, TIM is Y2K compliant - you don't think I've spent the last 9 months handling Y2K remediation without checking out the most important computer in the world. I attach below the official UNISYS standard compliance certification. DESIGNATION OF SYSTEM: TIM DATE OF CREATION: c1971 STATUS AND MODIFICATION: System moved from original location and reinstalled c1978. KNOWN PERIPHERALS: Mini-TIM, c1976 ORIGINAL PROGRAMMER(S): Timon Irnok Manta ASSEMBLY AND MAINTENANCE: John LOCATION OF MAIN PLANT: London, England OPERATING SYSTEM: Proprietary/Confidential Level 1 Compliance Status (9/9/1999): Confirmed compliant. Verified by examination 9/9/1999. Level 2 Compliance Status (31/12/1999): Confirmed compliant. Verfieid by examination 31/12/1999. Level 3 Compliance Status (1/1/2000): Confirmed compliant. Verified by examination 1/1/2000. Level 4 Compliance Status (29/2/2000): Confirmed compliant. Compliance reported by Peter in memo dated 12/3/2501. Level 5 Compliance Status (31/12/1999|1/1/2000): Confirmed compliant. Verified by examination 1/1/2000. KNOWN COMPLIANCE ISSUES: None KNOWN NON-COMPLIANCE ISSUES: Some difficulty with simple calculations. I, Shaun Hately, Contractor, Unisys Australia, do verify that the computer designated as TIM is Year 2000 compliant in accordance with all known compliance standards. Shaun Hately 1/1/2000