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Subject: TPDIS: Thank you for your welcome
Date: 01 Jun 2004 09:46:44 +0100 (BST)

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Hi,
 
Thank you Jackie, Ana and Janet for your welcome.  I am indeed the Karen from France who sat at Peeri table.  I am also in Jackie's pictures of the lunch on the 1st May.  I had a great time and enjoyed going back to your place, Jackie, to watch the videos - some that I hadn't seen before.  It was nice to be let off the leash for a while.
 
Bye for now
 
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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT)

Kathryn Andersen said:
> (Aside: I am totally boggled that folks in the US can buy DVD players
> for $50.  Over here it's still more like $500.)

A friend of mine in the Sydney area tells me he does as much electronics
shopping as possible on his visits to the USA because the markup in
Australia is so ridiculous. Even having to pay duty, he still comes out
ahead. And it's not just electronics themselves -- it's now entirely
possible to get quality blank DVDs for less than one US$; I'm told in
Australia, they're still in the neighborhood of AU$5. Even with the
exchange rate, that's still a major difference.

George




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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 20:41:33 +1000

On 1 Jun 2004 at 8:50, Kathryn Andersen wrote:

> > Machines (model/type/brand) currently on the market
> > that we know of that do play the TP DVDs in NTSC mode.
> Not just NTSC but multi-region.
> 
> (Aside: I am totally boggled that folks in the US can buy DVD players
> for $50.  Over here it's still more like $500.)

I'm not sure where you are looking.

My DVD player (multiregion/NTSC capable) cost me $200 from Target, 
nearly two years ago.

I quite often see basic DVD players in local catalogues for less 
than $100. Harris Scarfe currently has one advertised for $89.

You can pay a lot more - but there are some very cheap ones around.


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thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 03:46:46 -0700 (PDT)

M K said:
>
> The Tomorrow People DVDs are said to be "region 0" but
> they're really not. They're region 2.

This bit is backwards.

Many vendors (Amazon, Blackstar, etc.) *assume* that because the DVDs are
from the UK, that they are Region 2. They are not. All the TP DVDs to date
(and I would imagine the last batch yet to come) have been Region 0, so
indicated by the presence of a little symbol of a planet with the numeral
"0" superimposed.

George




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From: "Amy Bridger" <me@amybridger.com>
Subject: TPDIS: The Day After Tomorrow
Date: 01 Jun 2004 21:17:42 +1000

Hi List,

I was doing some random surfing on imdb.com today and saw that Christian
Tessier was in "The Day After Tomorrow". I went and saw the film only a
days ago and don't recally seeing him in it at all. He's listed as
playing "Aaron", again the character name doesn't ring any bells.=20
Would someone out there be able to enlighten me as to where in the movie
he was?

Thanks,

Amy



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From: M K <mck17524@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 05:20:25 -0700 (PDT)

That is what *I* thought and advertised to everyone at
the start. BUT... so many people here in the US have
been having issues, I've amended my thoughts on this
to assume they're mislabled/miscoded.


--- George Madison <george.m@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> M K said:
> >
> > The Tomorrow People DVDs are said to be "region 0"
> but
> > they're really not. They're region 2.
> 
> This bit is backwards.
> 
> Many vendors (Amazon, Blackstar, etc.) *assume* that
> because the DVDs are
> from the UK, that they are Region 2. They are not.
> All the TP DVDs to date
> (and I would imagine the last batch yet to come)
> have been Region 0, so
> indicated by the presence of a little symbol of a
> planet with the numeral
> "0" superimposed.
> 
> George
> 
> 



	
		
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From: "Robert Neblett" <rlneblet@artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 09:22:47 -0500

George said:

<<Many vendors (Amazon, Blackstar, etc.) *assume* that because the DVDs are
from the UK, that they are Region 2. They are not. All the TP DVDs to date
(and I would imagine the last batch yet to come) have been Region 0, so
indicated by the presence of a little symbol of a planet with the numeral
"0" superimposed.>>

This is true.  However, because they are PAL encoded, they cannot play on
regular DVD players over here.  You have to get a multiregion DVD player or
play it on your computer or get a cheapie player that has a built-in
PAL/NTSC decoder.  Of course, as others have indicated, this decoding
process does give live video/sound stage scenes a false "film-like" look.

Robert





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From: "Robert Neblett" <rlneblet@artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 09:26:45 -0500

My multiregion DVD player for my TV is from Sampo, and it works wonderfully,
although I don't like the fact that it doesn't have the feature that so many
players do, which allows it to remember where you last were on the disc
you're watching, even if the machine gets turned off or times out.  Every
time I'm in the middle of an episode and I have to stop to do something else
(I know - WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THAT IMPORTANT?!?!), I have to do a lot of
forward scanning to get back to where I was.  But it does have hi-def sound
outputs (not that that helps with TP discs) and good quality video, and it
plays my authentic Region 2 DVDs like BLAKE'S 7.

Robert





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From: "robert gudgeon" <robertgudgeona@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 02 Jun 2004 00:58:25 +1000

hey guys well thouight I would coment on this as I work in retail.
you can get a fairly good why from a dick smith store for under 200 which 
mine is or from big w kamart target sell the less expencive brands.
Robert


>From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
>Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
>Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 03:36:01 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Kathryn Andersen said:
> > (Aside: I am totally boggled that folks in the US can buy DVD players
> > for $50.  Over here it's still more like $500.)
>
>A friend of mine in the Sydney area tells me he does as much electronics
>shopping as possible on his visits to the USA because the markup in
>Australia is so ridiculous. Even having to pay duty, he still comes out
>ahead. And it's not just electronics themselves -- it's now entirely
>possible to get quality blank DVDs for less than one US$; I'm told in
>Australia, they're still in the neighborhood of AU$5. Even with the
>exchange rate, that's still a major difference.
>
>George
>
>

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From: Mary Svoboda <barsoom2026@yahoo.com>
Subject: TPDIS: DragonCon Anyone?
Date: 01 Jun 2004 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT)

Hey All,

It's been a while since this was last discussed, so I
thought I'd test the waters and see if there was still
any interest in a US TP fan meet & greet at DragonCon.
 I'm still willing to sponsor a van-pool for any
midwesterner willing to chip in for gas money.

I'm not planning on doing the con itself, but would
probably run a TP-themed suite out of a nearby hotel. 
If a bunch of us got joining rooms, it could be one
helluva party! :-)

Any takers?  I'd really dig meeting you guys.

http://www.dragoncon.org/

=====
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Health Physicist II
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI 48202

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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: TPDIS: DVD FAQ
Date: 01 Jun 2004 13:32:57 -0700 (PDT)

Tried to send this out earlier, but it hasn't gotten
trhough, so I'll try again.  I haven't updated this
lately, so I put in a couple of things to make it more
current, but there may be some things I've missed/left
out.

mike
-------

TP DVD FAQ

Q1:  So, what’s this about the Tomorrow People being
on DVD?
A1:  A company by the name of Revelations Films
Limited has licensed the rights to produce DVDs of the
original 1970’s Tomorrow People series.

Q2:  Which episodes are available on DVD?
A2:  Currently Series 1, 2, 3, and 4/5  have been
released both singly and as box sets.  MVC has had
exclusive rights to the box sets for 6 months.  

Q3:  Will all of the serials be released on DVD?
A3:  Revelations has indicated their intent to release
the entire run on DVD.  In some cases more than one
serial will be on one DVD disc (the disc listing for
Series 3 has “A Man for Emily” and “Revenge of
Jedikiah” on the same disc).  

Q4:  How often will the DVDs be released?
A4:  So far the DVDs have been released for the most
part on a quarterly basis (3 to 4 months).  

Q5:  Will I be able to watch the DVDs on my DVD
player?
A5:  A qualified maybe.  The DVDs are in Region 0 with
respect to region encoding but are in PAL color video
format.

Q6:  What’s region encoding?
A6:  Region encoding is a method of coding DVDs to
prevent them from being played in a region outside of
their production/release.  The world is split into six
regions - Region 1 is North America, 2 is Japan,
Europe, Middle East, and South Africa, 3 is Southeast
Asia, 4 is Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, Central and
South America, 5 is Northwest Asia and North Africa,
and 6 is China.  Region 0 means that there is no
region encoding, the DVD is regionless and should be
playable on any DVD player.  

Q7:  If there’s no region coding then I should be able
to play the DVD, right?
A7:  Logically, that would make sense, but isn’t
necessarily true.  Some DVD players have been
manufactured to only play DVDs that have a specific
region encoding.  This is one way manufacturers try to
prevent bootleg ‘rips’ of commercial DVDs or to
prevent people from hacking DVD players to either be
region free or capable of switching region.  These DVD
players, although uncommon, may refuse to play
regionless discs.  

Q8:  Why are the Tomorrow People DVDs listed on-line
as being Region 2?  
A8:  The DVDs are being produced and sold for retail
in the UK.  The UK is in Region 2, so it makes sense
that if the DVDs were encoded they would be in Region
2.  However, the DVDs themselves are marked as Region
0 and so far as anyone has been able to determine,
really are regionless.  


Q9:  What is PAL color video format?
A9:  PAL is a color video format used in the UK and
other countries.  The United States uses a color video
standard known as NTSC (National Television Standard
for Color).  The two formats are not compatible.  In
order to view a show in PAL format on an NTSC
television you will need an NTSC-PAL converter.

Q10:  Where can I get an NTSC-PAL converter?  
A10:  Try a local electronics store (i.e. Radio
Shack), or else online.  There are NTSC-PAL converters
available for about $30 (US).

Q11:  Are there any DVD players that convert PAL to
NTSC?
A11:  Yes, there are.  One brand that has been
recommended by multiple people on the list is Apex. 
They have a line of DVD players that have built in
PAL-NTSC conversion and are very cheap.  There are
other brands that have PAL-NTSC converters, but they
tend to be pricey.  

Q12:  Can I view the DVDs on my DVD-ROM drive?
A12:  Another qualified maybe.  As computer displays
operate differently than television displays there
should be no need for converting the signal.  The DVD
should simply play on your computer using its DVD
player program.  There have been a number of people
who have reported no problems viewing the DVD on their
computers, with both PC and Macintosh users.  If there
is a problem with you viewing the DVD on your computer
it is most likely a software/driver issue.  

Q13:  What special features do the DVDs have?
A13:  There are commentaries track from many of the
actors from the show.  In particular, Nicholas Young
(John) and Peter Vaughn-Clarke (Stephen) have
commented on all the releases thus far.  Philip
Gilbert (TIM, Timus, Tikno) contributed to the first
series of DVDs.  Elizabeth Adare (Liz) contributed to
the second series of DVDs.  Anne Curthoys (Tricia
Conway) provided commentary for Secret Weapon.  The
credits for the commentaries on the DVDs and online
listings for them have been notoriously inaccurate. 
The DVDs have also included Character Biographies,
Photo Galleries, and an Episode Guide.

Q14:  What is the quality of the special features?
A14:  Well, the commentary is pretty entertaining. 
The production of the remaining special materials
seems to lack quality control and proofing.  Numerous
errors have been seen with regards to information in
character biographies (including a picture of Mike
used in place of one of PVCs for the character of
Stephen), episode descriptions, and credits.  (The
woman playing Stephen’s mother in “The Slaves of
Jedikiah” is credited as the Cyclops).  In addition,
Revelation has used material from TP fan sites without
the site authors’ permission, or in some cases even
knowledge, and has given credit for that material to
other people.  After complaints were made regarding
one of these instances that particular material was
removed from their website (however, the DVDs that had
that content on them obviously are already out and
unlikely to be recalled or re-pressed)    

Q15:  Where can I purchase these DVDs outside of the
UK?
A15:  There are a number of online stores that sell
the DVDs and ship worldwide.  MVC has exclusive rights
to the box sets for six months but has recently
announced a refusal to accept overseas credit cards
for online purchases.  You may also run across the
DVDs in specialty shops, but will likely pay more for
them as they are considered “imports”.  You may also
find copies of the DVD available over E-bay, but as
always with things like E-bay, be wary of what you
see.  Someone was selling ripped “NTSC” versions of
the TP DVDs saying that a friend had given them a copy
of it and they already had a copy and wanted to sell
it to share with other fans.  There is NO official
NTSC version of the DVDs, so this person’s ‘friend’
very likely didn’t give them a copy and they most
certainly didn’t already have one of their own. 


	
		
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From: Beth E. <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 17:26:50 -0500


On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 07:20 AM, M K wrote:

> That is what *I* thought and advertised to everyone at
> the start. BUT... so many people here in the US have
> been having issues, I've amended my thoughts on this
> to assume they're mislabled/miscoded.
>

They're not.

Put any TP DVD into a computer that hasn't had a disc played yet--or at 
least a mac--and it won't say a word.  Stick a Region 1 disc in there 
and it'll ask if you want to switch your region.

Or put a region 1 DVD in and then a TP one, or vice versa--again, it 
says nothing.  As far as I can tell, regardless of what I do, my 
computer is set to region 1.

Also, may people on this list who haven't hacked their DVD players have 
been able to play the discs on a region locked player--if it's PAL 
capable.  It's just that figuring out if your player is PAL capable is 
a trick--the only way I really know of is to stick a DVD in there and 
see what happens.

The error message on mine, for the record is "check television 
settings" or some such--I'm sure it would yell at me if it were a 
region locked disc.
Tigger




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From: M K <mck17524@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 01 Jun 2004 17:31:14 -0700 (PDT)

As stated, with PCs it all depends on the hardware. 

The crux being whether it is software controlled or
hardware controlled.

For software controlled the regions will switch
automatically, and there shouldn't be any sort of
limit to how many times. There may be limits on what
regions it supports though.

For hardware controlled, the region is set into the
firmware based on where it was manufactured. Some
might allow other regions to be set, some might not.

For the ones that do, you're given five chances to
change your region setting (the ability to change it
is found under Device Manager). Once you've done it
five times, the last setting is where it locks and you
cannot change it back.

There is software that will hack this and allow
unlimited playing of DVDs regardless of region, and it
doesn't mess with the firmware ever again. Of course
always make sure that your device drivers are current.

On my PC when I first got a TP disk I had to change
the region code because it didn't like the disk. I
would have had to change it back, but I used a program
to "fix" it.

I even rebuilt my machine from scratch with a new OS
and it hasn't changed... I still have four more
chances via the firmware, and I can play either NTSC
or PAL (or TP) discs whenever I want.


--- "Beth E." <tptigger42@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Put any TP DVD into a computer that hasn't had a
> disc played yet--or at 
> least a mac--and it won't say a word.  Stick a
> Region 1 disc in there 
> and it'll ask if you want to switch your region.
> 
> Or put a region 1 DVD in and then a TP one, or vice
> versa--again, it 
> says nothing.  As far as I can tell, regardless of
> what I do, my 
> computer is set to region 1.
> 
> Also, may people on this list who haven't hacked
> their DVD players have 
> been able to play the discs on a region locked
> player--if it's PAL 
> capable.  It's just that figuring out if your player
> is PAL capable is 
> a trick--the only way I really know of is to stick a
> DVD in there and 
> see what happens.
> 
> The error message on mine, for the record is "check
> television 
> settings" or some such--I'm sure it would yell at me
> if it were a 
> region locked disc.
> Tigger
> 
> 



	
		
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From: kytriyal@comcast.net
Subject: RE: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW...
Date: 02 Jun 2004 06:07:44 +0000

I had a particular issue with a particular person who is 'in' my life and not anyone anybody here or LJ etc., knows. Well, I was thinking "Why don't I just jaunt over to Stephen. I might well ask him what to do about the bloody fool."LOL 
I then thought, "Okay, yeah right. I just have to stop telling myself all those 'TP in the real world stories' or I just might start believing them as actually being real." LOL


To be or not to be may be the question, but the answer is a definate maybe I should of, could of... if only.--
TPKyteroo jaunting off

To be or not to be may be the question, 
but  the answer is a definent maybe I 
should of, could of... if only.

What one man ponders, the other man retorts. But a good response to both men as always is: "Pull the other one, Mate!" [Thanks Roger Price!]





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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: Australian Fans - note
Date: 03 Jun 2004 08:46:26 +1000

Any Aussies fans who have Foxtel - this month on Showtime, 
'Blurred' is showing on the 11th, 12th, 16th, 23rd, and 24th. This 
is a 2002 Australian movie with Kristian Schmid as a part of the 
ensemble cast. It's not just a little part - he's all through the 
film.

He also has a much smaller part in Scooby Doo which is on Movie One 
on the 6th, 7th, 15th, 16th, 24th, 29th, and 30th.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Australian Fans - note
Date: 02 Jun 2004 19:30:20 EDT


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is this the movie that is like an Australian version of Porkys or Animal 
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From: "Sandra Joy Wood" <mnzeba@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Australian Fans - note
Date: 03 Jun 2004 12:01:29 -0400

Oh how I wish I live in Australia.
--

--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:46:26
Cc: 

>Any Aussies fans who have Foxtel - this month on Showtime, 
>'Blurred' is showing on the 11th, 12th, 16th, 23rd, and 24th. This 
>is a 2002 Australian movie with Kristian Schmid as a part of the 
>ensemble cast. It's not just a little part - he's all through the 
>film.
>
>He also has a much smaller part in Scooby Doo which is on Movie One 
>on the 6th, 7th, 15th, 16th, 24th, 29th, and 30th.
>
>
>Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
>Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
>(ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
>"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
>thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
>facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
>uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
>need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
>Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia
>
>
>



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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 03 Jun 2004 09:34:56 -0700 (PDT)

Robert Neblett said:
> This is true.  However, because they are PAL encoded, they cannot play on
> regular DVD players over here.

It would be more accurate to say "major brand" rather than "regular."
There's nothing "irregular" about an Apex or a Sampo or any of the other
lesser-known brands that generally have PAL/NTSC conversion ability.

You have to realize that the major brands (Sony, Pioneer, etc.) are under
a lot of pressure from the MPAA to maintain the region coding system. By
designing their players to NOT be able to play back PAL material here in
the USA (or not play NTSC material in PAL parts of the world) they
reinforce that.

> You have to get a multiregion DVD player

But as I've said before -- the two features are not linked! It's entirely
possible to get a multiregion player that cannot convert between video
systems. There are parts of the world where multistandard television sets
are common, and they don't need the DVD player to convert the signal --
they just need the region coding crud out of the way.

> or play it on your computer or get a cheapie player that has a built-in
> PAL/NTSC decoder.  Of course, as others have indicated, this decoding
> process does give live video/sound stage scenes a false "film-like" look.

PAL is 25 frames per second, film is about 24, NTSC is about 30, so that's
partly where it comes from.

George




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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Finding PAL/NTSC Converting DVD Players Gets Easier....
Date: 03 Jun 2004 09:44:08 -0700 (PDT)

I hadn't checked the DVD Player listings at www.VideoHelp.com recently
since I wasn't in the market for a DVD player -- but they've added a
category for "Multisystem/PAL to NTSC/NTSC to PAL" capabilities. Note that
their listings are based on user reports, not "lab testing" so some
caution is still advisable, but this should be helpful for those of you
wanting to find a unit that is capable of dealing with DVDs other than
your locally native video standard.

Note that you can select other features that are important to you and thus
sift out the units most likely to be a good match for your needs.

George




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From: "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 03 Jun 2004 18:15:26 +0100

Hi,

I'm a new member, I've been obssessed with The Tomorrow People since I 
saw the first episode of the new series broadcast on CITV when I was 12. 
I'm actually mostly into the origin story and find the rest of the 
serials a bit of a let down (just like how the first episode of Blake's 
7 knocks the socks off all the others), I still watch them anyway, and 
the 70's series whenever I can get my hands on episodes (although 
sometimes it's a bit hard to see past the 1970's children's TV budget, 
the first episode I ever saw (when it was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel) 
had a long scene that took place entirely against the least impressive 
blue-screen effect, using what seemed to be a photograph, I've ever 
seen). Still, the Blue and the Green and a few other episodes still blew 
be away (ever seen that episode of Babylon 5 when all the members of one 
species start a huge battle arbitrarily based on wether they're wearing 
a green sash or a purple one? Has to be a homage?).

I'm also a big Quantum Leap and Doctor Who obessive (and My So-Called 
Life too but that's hardly sci-fi), also into Farscape, Stargate SG-1, 
Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel and anything else vaguely sci-fi on TV.

As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV 
series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People? I've 
got these http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml and I've also 
seen this list http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php of those 
The Chrysalids by John Wyndham really hit the spot (I really liked the 
descriptions of how the 'new people' thought together, perceived thought 
as high density 'thought-shapes' rather than just words and felt deep 
intimate connections, which the 'old people' could try a whole life time 
to achieve, from the first meeting. I also liked the paranoia and hiding 
from hostile saps, which is a big aspect of what I'd like to see The 
Tomorrow People be about). Any other suggestions? I'm trying to get my 
hands on The Girl From Tomorrow at the moment, but books are good too.

Anyway, pleased to meet you and thanks for any suggestions.

-Adam (who also has a website and loves 70's David Bowie)

-- 
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      http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
    speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.



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From: M K <mck17524@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 03 Jun 2004 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT)

Hi and welcome.

I'd say "Ace Of Wands" is a good "like" program.
There's lots of crossover between the two programs.
Topics, cast, crew, and a general "feel"
(cinematography wise). "AoW" ran from 70-72, and came
from Thames... I always laugh upon hearing similar
music, or seeing the same exact special effects.

I haven't seen all of "AoW"... anyone got 'em? ;-)


--- "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
wrote:
>> As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if
> anyone can suggest TV 
> series, films and books with a similar feel to The
> Tomorrow People? I've 



	
		
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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD Players for TP discs
Date: 04 Jun 2004 10:33:15 +1000

On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 09:34:56AM -0700, George Madison wrote:
> Robert Neblett said:
> > This is true.  However, because they are PAL encoded, they cannot play on
> > regular DVD players over here.
> 
> It would be more accurate to say "major brand" rather than "regular."
> There's nothing "irregular" about an Apex or a Sampo or any of the other
> lesser-known brands that generally have PAL/NTSC conversion ability.
> 
> You have to realize that the major brands (Sony, Pioneer, etc.) are under
> a lot of pressure from the MPAA to maintain the region coding system. By
> designing their players to NOT be able to play back PAL material here in
> the USA (or not play NTSC material in PAL parts of the world) they
> reinforce that.

I suspect the pressure is all in the US -- or at least that in *some*
countries, like Australia, the pressure is the other way, since my
multiregion DVD player that has no problem with US discs -- is a
Pioneer.
Then again, region coding is probably against the Australian Trade
Practices Act (collusion, price-fixing, that kind of thing).
 

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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 04 Jun 2004 07:10:07 +0100

M K <mck17524@yahoo.com> in message
<20040603201655.21113.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> wrote:

> I haven't seen all of "AoW"... anyone got 'em? ;-)

For any not aware, if you do please contact Thames as they only have
copies of the third series ...

(Off-air audios are around for some of the earlier programmes though.)

Jez
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From: "Martin Dunne" <martindunne@bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 04 Jun 2004 16:03:41 +0930


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:45 AM

[snip]

> As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
> series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People?

[snip]

Humm. Hum. Hum.

Andra. This may be though the fog of memory, but I thought this was like a
teenaged downbeat Tomorrow People. Australian Broadcasting Corporation say
they have the film under lock and key, but the book can be found.

Anything by Nicholas Fisk.

Tomorrow's Children. A whole anthology edited by Isaac Asimov, some more on
topic than others.

Anything produced by Jonathan M. Shiff. Although his series tend to stretch
the plot v-e-r-y thin.

Sky. Although the master tapes have reportedly been damaged.

Once again, this might all be through the distorting lens of not having
seen/read any of the above recently.

Martin




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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 04 Jun 2004 17:31:19 +1000

On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 04:03:41PM +0930, Martin Dunne wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
> To: <tpdis@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:45 AM
> Subject: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
> > series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People?
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Humm. Hum. Hum.
> 
> Andra. This may be though the fog of memory, but I thought this was like a
> teenaged downbeat Tomorrow People. Australian Broadcasting Corporation say
> they have the film under lock and key, but the book can be found.

Really?  I heard that the masters had been destroyed.  Something about
the series being sold to the Asian market and some idiot sending the
masters instead of a copy, and they were destroyed when the run was
over.

I never got to see the series, but I have read the book (by Louise
Lawrence) and it is good, and downbeat, but I hadn't really thought
about it in relation to the Tomorrow People.  It's set in a far future
where everyone's lives are regimented; then the heroine, Andra, has an
accident and they operate on her and give her a brain graft, and it
happens to be a brain from someone from the 20th century... and then
Andra starts having these strange ideas...

The main connection I would think would be simply that it's teen SF.
 
> Anything by Nicholas Fisk.

Again, teen SF.
On that level, I'd reccommend Monica Hughes and Delia Huddy.
 
> Anything produced by Jonathan M. Shiff. Although his series tend to stretch
> the plot v-e-r-y thin.

Australia has a good rep for Children's television, and it's basically
the only Australian-produced (as distinct from Australian-filmed) TV SF
that one is likely to see.  TPTB have complete contempt for SF in
Australia -- the only reason they can get away with producing it is when
it's disguised as Children's television.

There seem to be two good sources of Australian Children's TV SF: one is
Johnathan M. Shiff, who is a producer.  He's done things like Ocean
Girl, and Cybergirl etc.  His stuff tends to be flashy and thin, with
lots of cliches, and ideas that he only thinks are original because he's
never read any SF.  But it can still be fun, and they are creative
despite the cliches.  They *do* know how to make things look good.

The other good source is the writing team of Mark Shirrefs & John
Thomson.  These guys write *good* teen SF, with solid characters and
plots and you really get the feeling that they know the genre.  They
wrote both "The Girl From Tomorrow" and "Spellbinder".
They're more well known for their comedy writing, though, I think.

Unfortunately I never find out about any of these series until they're
dead and gone...

> Sky. Although the master tapes have reportedly been damaged.

The five seconds I've seen of this seemed really creepy.
 
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From: "Martin Dunne" <martindunne@bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 04 Jun 2004 18:24:11 +0930

> "Kathryn Andersen"

> > Humm. Hum. Hum.
> >
> > Andra. This may be though the fog of memory, but I thought this was like
a
> > teenaged downbeat Tomorrow People. Australian Broadcasting Corporation
say
> > they have the film under lock and key, but the book can be found.
>
> Really?  I heard that the masters had been destroyed.  Something about
> the series being sold to the Asian market and some idiot sending the
> masters instead of a copy, and they were destroyed when the run was
> over.
>

The story is that they sent the masters, not a copy, to Singapore.
I was concerned about that very issue, and so did some research.
I've received this from the ABC Archive (and for a brief run though SF in
Australia, see my article "A Work in Progress" in SFSA # 15)--

> Dear Martin,
>
> The records show 2 entries for Andra and 65 for Alpha Scorpio. They are
both
> on film and have not been transferred, so the condition is unknown. Due to
> copyright restrictions the series are not available.
>
> Regards'
>
> Catherine.
> TV Archives

> I never got to see the series, but I have read the book (by Louise
> Lawrence) and it is good, and downbeat, but I hadn't really thought
> about it in relation to the Tomorrow People.  It's set in a far future
> where everyone's lives are regimented; then the heroine, Andra, has an
> accident and they operate on her and give her a brain graft, and it
> happens to be a brain from someone from the 20th century... and then
> Andra starts having these strange ideas...
>
> The main connection I would think would be simply that it's teen SF.
>

OK, this is the bit where my memory breaks down; but in the Andra novel the
connection with the earlier Alpha Scorpio is simply the brain donor, in the
series there was also a common character who was an alien (with powers
beyond that of mere mortals).

Martin
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From: "Carol Bevis" <tillicum@lineone.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 04 Jun 2004 20:39:43 +0100

Welcome to the gang. :)

I wondered if Babylon 5 creator, JMS, had been influenced by the Blue and
the Green (episode is "The Geometry of Shadows") in the Drazi war you
mentioned. Sadly I have it on good authority (from a friend of his) that it
was influenced by Star Trek rather than the TP. Sorry to burst that bubble,
but like you I wish it was so.

Like you my first intro to the TPs was on CITV.

Although the Old Series (70s version) is still growing on me, I still prefer
the New Series.

Regards,

Carol


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Madam, I'm Adam
Sent: 03 June 2004 18:15


Hi,

I'm a new member, I've been obssessed with The Tomorrow People since I
saw the first episode of the new series broadcast on CITV when I was 12.
I'm actually mostly into the origin story and find the rest of the
serials a bit of a let down (just like how the first episode of Blake's
7 knocks the socks off all the others), I still watch them anyway, and
the 70's series whenever I can get my hands on episodes (although
sometimes it's a bit hard to see past the 1970's children's TV budget,
the first episode I ever saw (when it was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel)
had a long scene that took place entirely against the least impressive
blue-screen effect, using what seemed to be a photograph, I've ever
seen). Still, the Blue and the Green and a few other episodes still blew
be away (ever seen that episode of Babylon 5 when all the members of one
species start a huge battle arbitrarily based on wether they're wearing
a green sash or a purple one? Has to be a homage?).

I'm also a big Quantum Leap and Doctor Who obessive (and My So-Called
Life too but that's hardly sci-fi), also into Farscape, Stargate SG-1,
Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel and anything else vaguely sci-fi on TV.

As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People? I've
got these http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml and I've also
seen this list http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php of those
The Chrysalids by John Wyndham really hit the spot (I really liked the
descriptions of how the 'new people' thought together, perceived thought
as high density 'thought-shapes' rather than just words and felt deep
intimate connections, which the 'old people' could try a whole life time
to achieve, from the first meeting. I also liked the paranoia and hiding
from hostile saps, which is a big aspect of what I'd like to see The
Tomorrow People be about). Any other suggestions? I'm trying to get my
hands on The Girl From Tomorrow at the moment, but books are good too.

Anyway, pleased to meet you and thanks for any suggestions.

-Adam (who also has a website and loves 70's David Bowie)

--
  The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
      http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
    speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.




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From: "Kristin Lee Dunn" <dunnkl@muohio.edu>
Subject: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 04 Jun 2004 15:40:12 -0400 (EDT)

Someone mentioned the other day that they saw that Christian Tesser was in The Day After Tomorrow
(I think the character name was Aaron... I don't remember) Any who, I saw the movie Wednesday and
I don't remember seeing him, or the name mentioned in the film. Maybe we'll spot him on the DVD in
the deleted sceans... Maybe I blinked and missed him.

Slightly off topic, but I just got back from seeing Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
Very, very good movie, and I was beyond happy to see what they did to bring it to screen... Now to
connect this to TP, for those of us that saw the first one (Sorcerer's Stone, or Philosopher's
Stone depending on where you are) the Fat Lady painting was played by the same actress who played
Millicent F. Rutherford in the NS. When they showed her painting this time, I don't think it was
the same actress. Alas, another TP connection gone.

I think I'll go back to lurking again.

Kristin





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From: "Warren Hillsdon" <warren@scifioz.com>
Subject: TPDIS: DVD - The Complete Series 4 & 5 Boxset
Date: 05 Jun 2004 09:11:05 +1000

All,

Anyone that is interested (well I was) the boxset of series 4 & 5 is up =
for
pre-order on Amazon now for =A326.24 of course take VAT off that and add =
in
postage. Release date is July 26th.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D1F0P/202-6493121-3899006

Yep I was patient and waited for the boxset..

Thanks guys for getting me through this dark period :)

Warren





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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD - The Complete Series 4 & 5 Boxset
Date: 04 Jun 2004 22:35:27 -0700 (PDT)


Does anyone know if Blackstar/SendIt.com is going to
offer the box set as well?  I'd rather go through them
than AmazonUK.  (They charge less for postage)

mike

--- Warren Hillsdon <warren@scifioz.com> wrote:
> All,
> 
> Anyone that is interested (well I was) the boxset of
> series 4 & 5 is up for
> pre-order on Amazon now for £26.24 of course take
> VAT off that and add in
> postage. Release date is July 26th.
> 
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D1F0P/202-6493121-3899006
> 
> Yep I was patient and waited for the boxset..
> 
> Thanks guys for getting me through this dark period
> :)
> 
> Warren
> 
> 
> 


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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVD - The Complete Series 4 & 5 Boxset
Date: 05 Jun 2004 19:02:35 -0400

I have it preordered through Sendit!
Larc

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:35 AM


>
> Does anyone know if Blackstar/SendIt.com is going to
> offer the box set as well?  I'd rather go through them
> than AmazonUK.  (They charge less for postage)
>
> mike
>
> --- Warren Hillsdon <warren@scifioz.com> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Anyone that is interested (well I was) the boxset of
> > series 4 & 5 is up for
> > pre-order on Amazon now for =A326.24 of course take
> > VAT off that and add in
> > postage. Release date is July 26th.
> >
> >
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D1F0P/202-6493121-3899006
> >
> > Yep I was patient and waited for the boxset..
> >
> > Thanks guys for getting me through this dark period
> > :)
> >
> > Warren
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Kristy Fahrenwald" <kristyfah@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: DragonCon Anyone?
Date: 06 Jun 2004 01:36:16 -0500

<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
<P>I would so *desperatly* love to be a part of this.&nbsp; But I'm not sure if it will be possible moneywise by September.&nbsp; (We're as broke as we've been in a long time.)</P>
<P>What you are describing is exactly what I would love to do... tag along to a big convention but not bother with it.&nbsp; Just hang out in a 'TP room'&nbsp; watching the show and see everyone who drops by.</P>
<P>Even if I could dream of showing up I'd need to try and share a room to save $$... and I'd bring my two kiddos (7 yrs&nbsp;&amp; 5 months then).&nbsp; But I'd be more than willing to babysit kiddos for anyone that would be going to&nbsp;kid-free places for minimal cost... I'd need to be with mine anyway... the more the merrier.<BR><BR>What are you considering Midwest?&nbsp; Would Arkansas be on your way?&nbsp; I could probably meet you in Memphis or something... the only hangup would be&nbsp; $$&nbsp; here.&nbsp; How much would something like this (gas, hotel, etc)&nbsp;run, do you think?&nbsp; </P>
<P>There has just got to be a way we can do this!&nbsp; Come on people!&nbsp; Let's make something happen in the US. &nbsp;:)</P>
<P>Kristy</P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Mary Svoboda &lt;barsoom2026@yahoo.com&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: TPDIS: DragonCon Anyone? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Hey All, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;It's been a while since this was last discussed, so I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;thought I'd test the waters and see if there was still 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;any interest in a US TP fan meet &amp; greet at DragonCon. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm still willing to sponsor a van-pool for any 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;midwesterner willing to chip in for gas money. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I'm not planning on doing the con itself, but would 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;probably run a TP-themed suite out of a nearby hotel. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;If a bunch of us got joining rooms, it could be one 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;helluva party! :-) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Any takers?&nbsp;&nbsp;I'd really dig meeting you guys. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.dragoncon.org/ 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
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From: "Warren Hillsdon" <warren@scifioz.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: DVD - The Complete Series 4 & 5 Boxset
Date: 06 Jun 2004 17:27:23 +1000

All,

On that I did a price comparision to the door. This is to Australia so I
don=92t know what the difference would be to the US.

Send-It - 32.59
Amazon - 25.91
Bensons-World - 35.20

This is the reason that I ordered it through Amazon even though I love =
the
guys at SendIt/Blackstar for their service.

Michael - Remember at least that Amazon take the VAT off which the other
guys don=92t. Even thought the postage is a little more when you take =
the VAT
off then it evens it out anyway.

Warren

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]
On Behalf Of Larc
Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2004 9:03 AM

I have it preordered through Sendit!
Larc

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:35 AM


>
> Does anyone know if Blackstar/SendIt.com is going to
> offer the box set as well?  I'd rather go through them
> than AmazonUK.  (They charge less for postage)
>
> mike
>
> --- Warren Hillsdon <warren@scifioz.com> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Anyone that is interested (well I was) the boxset of
> > series 4 & 5 is up for
> > pre-order on Amazon now for =A326.24 of course take
> > VAT off that and add in
> > postage. Release date is July 26th.
> >
> >
> =
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000D1F0P/202-6493121-3899006
> >
> > Yep I was patient and waited for the boxset..
> >
> > Thanks guys for getting me through this dark period
> > :)
> >
> > Warren
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Nick Cambray" <n.cambray@virgin.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 06 Jun 2004 16:13:58 +0100

Hi

Does anyone else remember a 70s series called "Children of the
Stones". It was set in Avebury, home to one of the largest stone
circles in England, and I recall it being very atmospheric.
Very good teen sci-fi as I recall, and quite scary in places.
A quick search reveals that this too is now on DVD

Nick

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Carol Bevis
Sent: 04 June 2004 20:40


Welcome to the gang. :)

I wondered if Babylon 5 creator, JMS, had been influenced by the Blue and
the Green (episode is "The Geometry of Shadows") in the Drazi war you
mentioned. Sadly I have it on good authority (from a friend of his) that it
was influenced by Star Trek rather than the TP. Sorry to burst that bubble,
but like you I wish it was so.

Like you my first intro to the TPs was on CITV.

Although the Old Series (70s version) is still growing on me, I still prefer
the New Series.

Regards,

Carol


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Madam, I'm Adam
Sent: 03 June 2004 18:15


Hi,

I'm a new member, I've been obssessed with The Tomorrow People since I
saw the first episode of the new series broadcast on CITV when I was 12.
I'm actually mostly into the origin story and find the rest of the
serials a bit of a let down (just like how the first episode of Blake's
7 knocks the socks off all the others), I still watch them anyway, and
the 70's series whenever I can get my hands on episodes (although
sometimes it's a bit hard to see past the 1970's children's TV budget,
the first episode I ever saw (when it was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel)
had a long scene that took place entirely against the least impressive
blue-screen effect, using what seemed to be a photograph, I've ever
seen). Still, the Blue and the Green and a few other episodes still blew
be away (ever seen that episode of Babylon 5 when all the members of one
species start a huge battle arbitrarily based on wether they're wearing
a green sash or a purple one? Has to be a homage?).

I'm also a big Quantum Leap and Doctor Who obessive (and My So-Called
Life too but that's hardly sci-fi), also into Farscape, Stargate SG-1,
Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel and anything else vaguely sci-fi on TV.

As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People? I've
got these http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml and I've also
seen this list http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php of those
The Chrysalids by John Wyndham really hit the spot (I really liked the
descriptions of how the 'new people' thought together, perceived thought
as high density 'thought-shapes' rather than just words and felt deep
intimate connections, which the 'old people' could try a whole life time
to achieve, from the first meeting. I also liked the paranoia and hiding
from hostile saps, which is a big aspect of what I'd like to see The
Tomorrow People be about). Any other suggestions? I'm trying to get my
hands on The Girl From Tomorrow at the moment, but books are good too.

Anyway, pleased to meet you and thanks for any suggestions.

-Adam (who also has a website and loves 70's David Bowie)

--
  The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
      http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
    speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.





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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Sunday Chat
Date: 06 Jun 2004 16:32:18 +0100

Hi All,
I've just got back from my tour of Scandinavia and am getting definite TP
withdrawal from not checking my mail in a week or being able to chat about
the show. So I'm in chat now (4.30 p.m. BST) , usual channel etc. why not
pop in and join us!

Jackie
--------
May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled
             Traditional Manyarnern Greeting

www.The-Tomorrow-People.co.uk





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From: Scott Goldman <scottg@global2000.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 06 Jun 2004 16:20:10 -0400


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I thik...Was this the series used as part of a nickelodeon series "The
Third Eye".  It ran either with TTP or on opposite days (tp=mwf,
tte=tth).  Another vignette was called "The haunting of Cassie Palmer" I
think...


On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 11:13, Nick Cambray wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Does anyone else remember a 70s series called "Children of the
> Stones". It was set in Avebury, home to one of the largest stone
> circles in England, and I recall it being very atmospheric.
> Very good teen sci-fi as I recall, and quite scary in places.
> A quick search reveals that this too is now on DVD
> 
> Nick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Carol Bevis
> Sent: 04 June 2004 20:40
> To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
> 
> 
> Welcome to the gang. :)
> 
> I wondered if Babylon 5 creator, JMS, had been influenced by the Blue and
> the Green (episode is "The Geometry of Shadows") in the Drazi war you
> mentioned. Sadly I have it on good authority (from a friend of his) that it
> was influenced by Star Trek rather than the TP. Sorry to burst that bubble,
> but like you I wish it was so.
> 
> Like you my first intro to the TPs was on CITV.
> 
> Although the Old Series (70s version) is still growing on me, I still prefer
> the New Series.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Carol
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Madam, I'm Adam
> Sent: 03 June 2004 18:15
> To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a new member, I've been obssessed with The Tomorrow People since I
> saw the first episode of the new series broadcast on CITV when I was 12.
> I'm actually mostly into the origin story and find the rest of the
> serials a bit of a let down (just like how the first episode of Blake's
> 7 knocks the socks off all the others), I still watch them anyway, and
> the 70's series whenever I can get my hands on episodes (although
> sometimes it's a bit hard to see past the 1970's children's TV budget,
> the first episode I ever saw (when it was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel)
> had a long scene that took place entirely against the least impressive
> blue-screen effect, using what seemed to be a photograph, I've ever
> seen). Still, the Blue and the Green and a few other episodes still blew
> be away (ever seen that episode of Babylon 5 when all the members of one
> species start a huge battle arbitrarily based on wether they're wearing
> a green sash or a purple one? Has to be a homage?).
> 
> I'm also a big Quantum Leap and Doctor Who obessive (and My So-Called
> Life too but that's hardly sci-fi), also into Farscape, Stargate SG-1,
> Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel and anything else vaguely sci-fi on TV.
> 
> As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
> series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People? I've
> got these http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml and I've also
> seen this list http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php of those
> The Chrysalids by John Wyndham really hit the spot (I really liked the
> descriptions of how the 'new people' thought together, perceived thought
> as high density 'thought-shapes' rather than just words and felt deep
> intimate connections, which the 'old people' could try a whole life time
> to achieve, from the first meeting. I also liked the paranoia and hiding
> from hostile saps, which is a big aspect of what I'd like to see The
> Tomorrow People be about). Any other suggestions? I'm trying to get my
> hands on The Girl From Tomorrow at the moment, but books are good too.
> 
> Anyway, pleased to meet you and thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> -Adam (who also has a website and loves 70's David Bowie)
> 
> --
>   The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
>       http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
>     speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 11:13, Nick Cambray wrote:
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<PRE><FONT COLOR="#737373"><I>Hi

Does anyone else remember a 70s series called &quot;Children of the
Stones&quot;. It was set in Avebury, home to one of the largest stone
circles in England, and I recall it being very atmospheric.
Very good teen sci-fi as I recall, and quite scary in places.
A quick search reveals that this too is now on DVD

Nick

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Carol Bevis
Sent: 04 June 2004 20:40


Welcome to the gang. :)

I wondered if Babylon 5 creator, JMS, had been influenced by the Blue and
the Green (episode is &quot;The Geometry of Shadows&quot;) in the Drazi war you
mentioned. Sadly I have it on good authority (from a friend of his) that it
was influenced by Star Trek rather than the TP. Sorry to burst that bubble,
but like you I wish it was so.

Like you my first intro to the TPs was on CITV.

Although the Old Series (70s version) is still growing on me, I still prefer
the New Series.

Regards,

Carol


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Madam, I'm Adam
Sent: 03 June 2004 18:15


Hi,

I'm a new member, I've been obssessed with The Tomorrow People since I
saw the first episode of the new series broadcast on CITV when I was 12.
I'm actually mostly into the origin story and find the rest of the
serials a bit of a let down (just like how the first episode of Blake's
7 knocks the socks off all the others), I still watch them anyway, and
the 70's series whenever I can get my hands on episodes (although
sometimes it's a bit hard to see past the 1970's children's TV budget,
the first episode I ever saw (when it was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel)
had a long scene that took place entirely against the least impressive
blue-screen effect, using what seemed to be a photograph, I've ever
seen). Still, the Blue and the Green and a few other episodes still blew
be away (ever seen that episode of Babylon 5 when all the members of one
species start a huge battle arbitrarily based on wether they're wearing
a green sash or a purple one? Has to be a homage?).

I'm also a big Quantum Leap and Doctor Who obessive (and My So-Called
Life too but that's hardly sci-fi), also into Farscape, Stargate SG-1,
Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel and anything else vaguely sci-fi on TV.

As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People? I've
got these </FONT><A HREF="http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml"><U>http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml</U></A><FONT COLOR="#737373"> and I've also
seen this list </FONT><A HREF="http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php"><U>http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php</U></A><FONT COLOR="#737373"> of those
The Chrysalids by John Wyndham really hit the spot (I really liked the
descriptions of how the 'new people' thought together, perceived thought
as high density 'thought-shapes' rather than just words and felt deep
intimate connections, which the 'old people' could try a whole life time
to achieve, from the first meeting. I also liked the paranoia and hiding
from hostile saps, which is a big aspect of what I'd like to see The
Tomorrow People be about). Any other suggestions? I'm trying to get my
hands on The Girl From Tomorrow at the moment, but books are good too.

Anyway, pleased to meet you and thanks for any suggestions.

-Adam (who also has a website and loves 70's David Bowie)

--
  The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
      </FONT><A HREF="http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org"><U>http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org</U></A><FONT COLOR="#737373">       //  You gotta make way for
    speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.



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From: "jackie zalewski" <jackieznyc@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 06 Jun 2004 17:49:16 -0400

yes, there were different shows that ran under the 'heading' of "The Third 
Eye" (which had the spookiest intro!)
Children of the Stones has been released on dvd but is the only one from the 
'series'
Under the Mountain seems like it came from Australia based on accents and 
locale
The Haunting of Cassie Palmer may have been from the US...not sure
Into the Labyrinth I'm not quite sure either...I have the book novelization 
of it and found out while searching for that there was a sequel book "Return 
to the Labyrinth" that LOOKED like it was a novelization of a tv show, but I 
didn't ever find out more about it
I have book versions of all of the above except Under the Mountain as well 
as copies of the shows from tv if anyone has questions about the them.
Other scifi things (that I think have been mentioned on the list) that might 
appeal if you like TP are Ocean Girl (also called Ocean Odyssey I think), 
Century Falls and UFO Kidnapped.  If anyone knows of other shows that were 
on The Third Eye; please email me off-list as I really enjoyed those shows 
as a kid...
going back to being quiet
the jackie from nyc


Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com

I thik...Was this the series used as part of a nickelodeon series "The
Third Eye".  It ran either with TTP or on opposite days (tp=mwf,
tte=tth).  Another vignette was called "The haunting of Cassie Palmer" I
think...


On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 11:13, Nick Cambray wrote:

 > Hi
 >
 > Does anyone else remember a 70s series called "Children of the
 > Stones". It was set in Avebury, home to one of the largest stone
 > circles in England, and I recall it being very atmospheric.
 > Very good teen sci-fi as I recall, and quite scary in places.
 > A quick search reveals that this too is now on DVD
 >
 > Nick
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
 > [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Carol Bevis
 > Sent: 04 June 2004 20:40
 > To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
 > Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
 >
 >
 > Welcome to the gang. :)
 >
 > I wondered if Babylon 5 creator, JMS, had been influenced by the Blue and
 > the Green (episode is "The Geometry of Shadows") in the Drazi war you
 > mentioned. Sadly I have it on good authority (from a friend of his) that 
it
 > was influenced by Star Trek rather than the TP. Sorry to burst that 
bubble,
 > but like you I wish it was so.
 >
 > Like you my first intro to the TPs was on CITV.
 >
 > Although the Old Series (70s version) is still growing on me, I still 
prefer
 > the New Series.
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Carol
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
 > [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Madam, I'm Adam
 > Sent: 03 June 2004 18:15
 > To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
 > Subject: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
 >
 >
 > Hi,
 >
 > I'm a new member, I've been obssessed with The Tomorrow People since I
 > saw the first episode of the new series broadcast on CITV when I was 12.
 > I'm actually mostly into the origin story and find the rest of the
 > serials a bit of a let down (just like how the first episode of Blake's
 > 7 knocks the socks off all the others), I still watch them anyway, and
 > the 70's series whenever I can get my hands on episodes (although
 > sometimes it's a bit hard to see past the 1970's children's TV budget,
 > the first episode I ever saw (when it was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel)
 > had a long scene that took place entirely against the least impressive
 > blue-screen effect, using what seemed to be a photograph, I've ever
 > seen). Still, the Blue and the Green and a few other episodes still blew
 > be away (ever seen that episode of Babylon 5 when all the members of one
 > species start a huge battle arbitrarily based on wether they're wearing
 > a green sash or a purple one? Has to be a homage?).
 >
 > I'm also a big Quantum Leap and Doctor Who obessive (and My So-Called
 > Life too but that's hardly sci-fi), also into Farscape, Stargate SG-1,
 > Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel and anything else vaguely sci-fi on TV.
 >
 > As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
 > series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People? I've
 > got these http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml and I've also
 > seen this list http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php of those
 > The Chrysalids by John Wyndham really hit the spot (I really liked the
 > descriptions of how the 'new people' thought together, perceived thought
 > as high density 'thought-shapes' rather than just words and felt deep
 > intimate connections, which the 'old people' could try a whole life time
 > to achieve, from the first meeting. I also liked the paranoia and hiding
 > from hostile saps, which is a big aspect of what I'd like to see The
 > Tomorrow People be about). Any other suggestions? I'm trying to get my
 > hands on The Girl From Tomorrow at the moment, but books are good too.
 >
 > Anyway, pleased to meet you and thanks for any suggestions.
 >
 > -Adam (who also has a website and loves 70's David Bowie)
 >
 > --
 >   The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
 >       http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
 >     speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.
 >
 >
 >
 >

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From: Anne Olsen <anneo@paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 07 Jun 2004 10:08:23 +1200


[unlurks]

>
> Under the Mountain seems like it came from Australia based on accents 
> and locale

>>>>>>>>>New Zealand, actually. It's based on the book of the same name by Kiwi author Maurice Gee. 

~Anne
The resident Kiwi on list. 






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From: "E.R. Stanway" <ers24@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 07 Jun 2004 00:09:59 +0100 (BST)


Hello all

While we're on the topic of similar shows TP fans might like, I'd like to
put in a word for 'Timeslip' - another 1970's children's SF TV show from
ITV (and, of course, with a TP connection in Ruth Boswell). According to
their website (www.timeslip.org.uk) they'll be out on DVD later this year!

And since I'm also of the New Series generation, the 1990s BBC children's
serials 'Century Falls' and it's predecessor 'Dark Season' too.  Neither
were very similar to the TP but both had a group of young people saving
the world from different perils.

Just my thoughts on the matter!

Elizabeth

____________________________________________________________________
Elizabeth Stanway
ers24@cam.ac.uk
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8403
"First things first, but not necessarily in that order."
____________________________________________________________________

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Anne Olsen wrote:

>
> [unlurks]
>
> >
> > Under the Mountain seems like it came from Australia based on accents
> > and locale
>
> >>>>>>>>>New Zealand, actually. It's based on the book of the same name by Kiwi author Maurice Gee.
>
> ~Anne
> The resident Kiwi on list.
>
>
>
>
>



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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 06 Jun 2004 22:15:44 -0700 (PDT)

Nick Cambray said:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone else remember a 70s series called "Children of the
> Stones". It was set in Avebury, home to one of the largest stone
> circles in England, and I recall it being very atmospheric.
> Very good teen sci-fi as I recall, and quite scary in places.
> A quick search reveals that this too is now on DVD

Oh yes. I have that DVD, and it was as good as I remembered it story-wise,
though the acting was perhaps not quite as good as I had remembered. ;)

Here in the USA, _Children of the Stones_ ran as a part of the anthology
series _The Third Eye_ on Nickelodeon, which is what Nick replaced _The
Tomorrow People_ with, when they decided they'd re-run it enough times.

Now if I could just get one of the other shows they amalgamated into
_Third Eye_ -- the New Zealand TV version of _Under The Mountain_!!!

George




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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 07 Jun 2004 07:04:00 +0100

"jackie zalewski" <jackieznyc@hotmail.com> in message
<BAY9-F8P4vtAsnyBaT4000039fb@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The Haunting of Cassie Palmer may have been from the US...not sure

TVS, 1982. Had Elizabeth Spriggs in but so does most UK drama ...

> Into the Labyrinth I'm not quite sure either...

HTV, 1981-2. First series (out of 3) was released on VHS in the UK but
is long since deleted.

Jez
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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
Date: 07 Jun 2004 05:40:07 -0400

I remember it vaguely.  They showed it on Nickelodeon in the early days when
they were showing TP.
Larc

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:13 AM


> Hi
>
> Does anyone else remember a 70s series called "Children of the
> Stones". It was set in Avebury, home to one of the largest stone
> circles in England, and I recall it being very atmospheric.
> Very good teen sci-fi as I recall, and quite scary in places.
> A quick search reveals that this too is now on DVD
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Carol Bevis
> Sent: 04 June 2004 20:40
> To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
>
>
> Welcome to the gang. :)
>
> I wondered if Babylon 5 creator, JMS, had been influenced by the Blue and
> the Green (episode is "The Geometry of Shadows") in the Drazi war you
> mentioned. Sadly I have it on good authority (from a friend of his) that
it
> was influenced by Star Trek rather than the TP. Sorry to burst that
bubble,
> but like you I wish it was so.
>
> Like you my first intro to the TPs was on CITV.
>
> Although the Old Series (70s version) is still growing on me, I still
prefer
> the New Series.
>
> Regards,
>
> Carol
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Madam, I'm Adam
> Sent: 03 June 2004 18:15
> To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: TPDIS: Introduction and similar series
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a new member, I've been obssessed with The Tomorrow People since I
> saw the first episode of the new series broadcast on CITV when I was 12.
> I'm actually mostly into the origin story and find the rest of the
> serials a bit of a let down (just like how the first episode of Blake's
> 7 knocks the socks off all the others), I still watch them anyway, and
> the 70's series whenever I can get my hands on episodes (although
> sometimes it's a bit hard to see past the 1970's children's TV budget,
> the first episode I ever saw (when it was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel)
> had a long scene that took place entirely against the least impressive
> blue-screen effect, using what seemed to be a photograph, I've ever
> seen). Still, the Blue and the Green and a few other episodes still blew
> be away (ever seen that episode of Babylon 5 when all the members of one
> species start a huge battle arbitrarily based on wether they're wearing
> a green sash or a purple one? Has to be a homage?).
>
> I'm also a big Quantum Leap and Doctor Who obessive (and My So-Called
> Life too but that's hardly sci-fi), also into Farscape, Stargate SG-1,
> Babylon 5, Buffy, Angel and anything else vaguely sci-fi on TV.
>
> As well as an introduction, I wanted to ask if anyone can suggest TV
> series, films and books with a similar feel to The Tomorrow People? I've
> got these http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org/similar.shtml and I've also
> seen this list http://www.katspace.net/reviews/alsolike/tp.php of those
> The Chrysalids by John Wyndham really hit the spot (I really liked the
> descriptions of how the 'new people' thought together, perceived thought
> as high density 'thought-shapes' rather than just words and felt deep
> intimate connections, which the 'old people' could try a whole life time
> to achieve, from the first meeting. I also liked the paranoia and hiding
> from hostile saps, which is a big aspect of what I'd like to see The
> Tomorrow People be about). Any other suggestions? I'm trying to get my
> hands on The Girl From Tomorrow at the moment, but books are good too.
>
> Anyway, pleased to meet you and thanks for any suggestions.
>
> -Adam (who also has a website and loves 70's David Bowie)
>
> --
>   The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
>       http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
>     speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.
>
>
>
>





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From: "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 07 Jun 2004 11:02:31 +0100

Kristin Lee Dunn wrote:

> Slightly off topic, but I just got back from seeing Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
> Very, very good movie, and I was beyond happy to see what they did to bring it to screen... Now to
> connect this to TP, for those of us that saw the first one (Sorcerer's Stone, or Philosopher's
> Stone depending on where you are) the Fat Lady painting was played by the same actress who played
> Millicent F. Rutherford in the NS. When they showed her painting this time, I don't think it was
> the same actress. Alas, another TP connection gone.

That's because it was Dawn French, very respected British comedian (The 
Vicar of Dibley, The Comic Strip Presents, French and Saunders etc) and 
of a similar (if not perhaps higher) caliber to the British comedians 
playing the Weasley parents. I assume that once it became a part with a 
joke and some serious acting they decided to offer it to someone famous.

IMDB entry here http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0294067/

Actually maybe the 'better' or just more famous comedians get the 
smaller roles -- John Cleese plays Nearly Headless Nick.

I wonder how many big names are holding back for a really good part in 
one of the later books, afterall it seems that if you're British and a 
famous comedy actor, it's almost a cert.

-Adam (who really liked what they did to bring it to screen too)

-- 
  The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
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From: Mary Svoboda <barsoom2026@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: DragonCon Anyone? Or Context 17?
Date: 07 Jun 2004 07:10:53 -0700 (PDT)

Couldn't agree with you more, Kristy!  I think a con
is the perfect alternative for those of us who can't
just nip off to the pub for a quick pint with PVC. ;-)

Assuming there's enough interest to make going
worthwhile, I'll be headed straight down I-75 south. 
The closer one is to I-75, the easier life will be. 
I'd be making the trip anyway, so I'll leave cash
contributions to the conscience and ability of the
rider unless I get asked to go waaay off the beaten
path.  Help with the driving would be most
appreciated, tho, as would a spare bag of those little
cheese goldfish crackers.

Ummmm...goldfish! <homer>

I haven't priced hotels, but I would imagine that
anything really close to the con will be expensive, if
not already sold out.  As I remember, Atlanta has a
pretty good public transportation system.  I'm not
hung up on the con, so I don't much care where we camp
out.  The cheaper the better as far as I'm concerned.

Anyone out there in metro Atlanta?  Got some pointers
on where to stay that will allow those interested in
the con to get there easily by bus/rail?

http://www.dragoncon.org/

Another option is Context, the first weekend in
October in Columbus, OH.  It's a speculative fiction
writer's convention that a few listers may already be
signed up for.  I'd send a link but the web site's
down.  Google 'Context 17' and you'll at least be able
to access a cached version of the site.  The
organizers may be contacted at contextsf@yahoo.com

TP con suite offer still stands, only the festivities
will have to be planned around the scheduled
workshops.

Hooah!
Mary

--- Kristy Fahrenwald <kristyfah@hotmail.com> wrote:

I would so *desperatly* love to be a part of this. 
But I'm not sure if it will be possible moneywise by
September.  (We're as broke as we've been in a long
time.)

What you are describing is exactly what I would love
to do... tag along to a big convention but not bother
with it.  Just hang out in a 'TP room'  watching the
show and see everyone who drops by.

Even if I could dream of showing up I'd need to try
and share a room to save $$... and I'd bring my two
kiddos (7 yrs & 5 months then).  But I'd be more than
willing to babysit kiddos for anyone that would be
going to kid-free places for minimal cost... I'd need
to be with mine anyway... the more the merrier.

What are you considering Midwest?  Would Arkansas be
on your way?  I could probably meet you in Memphis or
something... the only hangup would be  $$  here.  How
much would something like this (gas, hotel, etc) run,
do you think?  

There has just got to be a way we can do this!  Come
on people!  Let's make something happen in the US.  :)

Kristy

http://www.dragoncon.org/


=====
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Health Physicist II
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI 48202

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From: "Robert Neblett" <rlneblet@artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 07 Jun 2004 10:14:25 -0500

Elizabeth Spriggs is VERY famous in her own right.  She has an extensive,
well-respected career in both drama and comedy that spans almost 40 years.
She's a STAPLE of "Masterpiece Theatre" adaptations of literature.

I think it's not that they wanted someone who was a "better" comedian, but
like everything else these days, they wanted someone recognizable.

And, of course, we don't know whether Ms. Spriggs was originally supposed to
play the part or not.  She may have gotten sick or was in the middle of
shooting something else or working on a play or something.

Robert





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From: "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 07 Jun 2004 16:52:47 +0100

Robert Neblett wrote:

> Elizabeth Spriggs is VERY famous in her own right.  She has an extensive,
> well-respected career in both drama and comedy that spans almost 40 years.
> She's a STAPLE of "Masterpiece Theatre" adaptations of literature.

I'm not familiar with 'Masterpiece Theatre', but I know she's been in a 
whole bunch of high profile BBC period adaptions like 'Sense and 
Sensibility' and 'Middlemarch'

> I think it's not that they wanted someone who was a "better" comedian, but
> like everything else these days, they wanted someone recognizable.

Oh absolutely, everyone (I exaggerate of course) in the cinema reacted 
with pleasurable surprise that it was Dawn when they showed the fat 
lady. I think they gave her the joke with the glass because it was Dawn 
and they wanted to make her feel like she had a good part (or at least a 
bit of comedy that was right on her level... probably wasn't anything 
about eating lots of chocolate bars in the book).

It is quite possible they couldn't get Elizabeth and then used the gap 
as an excuse to slot in someone more famous (to the general public and 
the kids, Elizabeth does advertise Chocolate Orange after all), I'd hope 
so rather than they told her they'd found some one 'better' (note the 
quotes). Or it could be that Dawn wouldn't (or couldn't) do it before 
and they persuaded her this time with a joke as well as the scene where 
her character is centre of attention (like I said, they seem to choose 
famous well-loved comedians to do those cameo type parts, like John 
Cleese for Nearly Headless Nick, and I mean big stars of 80's 
alternative comedy or a former Python, or maybe one of the Goodies, 
rather than a less recognised or less part of the establishment 
comedian), or it could be that they retconed Dawn into it now not having 
thought ahead to this book. They did seem to have tailored the part to 
Dawn (or maybe it's just that she seems like the same character in 
everything she does (Mel and Sue have this problem too)).

Maybe I'm being a bit cynical about it, but there was a big reaction in 
our packed cinema (even if I didn't imagine the fat lady in the book as 
anything like Dawn and approved much more of the previous casting). 
Elizabeth is clearly the better character actor and would have done a 
better job of being a believable fat lady (instead of Dawn just being 
her tired French and Saunders persona, again). They probably went for 
the 'look, it's the vicar of Dibley!' factor (it did just get voted the 
nation's third favourite sitcom... Blackadder and Only Fools and Horses 
were two and one, so expect to see Rowan Atkinson and David Jason in 
important roles in the later films), rather than someone who acts so 
well you don't spot the actor (unless you're looking) but instead see 
the character, as you imagined them.

-Adam (that didn't have very much to do with The Tomorrow People, sorry, 
um... I wonder if Christopher Lee will play anyone in the later films?)

-- 
  The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
      http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
    speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.



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From: "Robert Neblett" <rlneblet@artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 07 Jun 2004 11:04:31 -0500

Any suggestions whom Rowan Atkinson might play in later films?  Mad-Eye
Moody perhaps?  That would be fun. Although I just looked on IMDB.com, and
Brendan Gleeson has been cast in that role.  Shucks.

Robert





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From: "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 07 Jun 2004 17:23:02 +0100

Robert Neblett wrote:

> Any suggestions whom Rowan Atkinson might play in later films?  Mad-Eye
> Moody perhaps?  That would be fun. Although I just looked on IMDB.com, and
> Brendan Gleeson has been cast in that role.  Shucks.

Anyone down for Voldermort yet? Christopher Lee, anyone? The Lord of the 
Rings trilogy is over now, he could do it. Would be cool to have someone 
in that, Harry Potter, Star Wars and The Tomorrow People, we could 
impress people even more then ~__^

I'd love for Rowan to play someone similar to Blackadder rather than the 
Mr Bean end of the spectrum. Not sure who though.

I just looked up some Tomorrow People credits on IMDB and Professor Galt 
had a part in Star Wars episode one?!

Any other notable TP actor appearances I should know about?

> Robert

-Adam (Megabyte was in Battlefield Earth /and/ Timeline? Bad luck)

-- 
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      http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
    speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.



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From: "Steve C" <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 07 Jun 2004 17:32:02 +0100

Or perhaps Dawn French got the part in a combinded bit of casting with her
hubby Lenny Henry (well his voice at least!!!

Steve C

PS: Paul Whitehouse and Freddie (Parrotface) Davis were also hanging on the
walls as cameos!


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:52 PM


> Robert Neblett wrote:
>
> > Elizabeth Spriggs is VERY famous in her own right.  She has an
extensive,
> > well-respected career in both drama and comedy that spans almost 40
years.
> > She's a STAPLE of "Masterpiece Theatre" adaptations of literature.
>
> I'm not familiar with 'Masterpiece Theatre', but I know she's been in a
> whole bunch of high profile BBC period adaptions like 'Sense and
> Sensibility' and 'Middlemarch'
>
> > I think it's not that they wanted someone who was a "better" comedian,
but
> > like everything else these days, they wanted someone recognizable.
>
> Oh absolutely, everyone (I exaggerate of course) in the cinema reacted
> with pleasurable surprise that it was Dawn when they showed the fat
> lady. I think they gave her the joke with the glass because it was Dawn
> and they wanted to make her feel like she had a good part (or at least a
> bit of comedy that was right on her level... probably wasn't anything
> about eating lots of chocolate bars in the book).
>
> It is quite possible they couldn't get Elizabeth and then used the gap
> as an excuse to slot in someone more famous (to the general public and
> the kids, Elizabeth does advertise Chocolate Orange after all), I'd hope
> so rather than they told her they'd found some one 'better' (note the
> quotes). Or it could be that Dawn wouldn't (or couldn't) do it before
> and they persuaded her this time with a joke as well as the scene where
> her character is centre of attention (like I said, they seem to choose
> famous well-loved comedians to do those cameo type parts, like John
> Cleese for Nearly Headless Nick, and I mean big stars of 80's
> alternative comedy or a former Python, or maybe one of the Goodies,
> rather than a less recognised or less part of the establishment
> comedian), or it could be that they retconed Dawn into it now not having
> thought ahead to this book. They did seem to have tailored the part to
> Dawn (or maybe it's just that she seems like the same character in
> everything she does (Mel and Sue have this problem too)).
>
> Maybe I'm being a bit cynical about it, but there was a big reaction in
> our packed cinema (even if I didn't imagine the fat lady in the book as
> anything like Dawn and approved much more of the previous casting).
> Elizabeth is clearly the better character actor and would have done a
> better job of being a believable fat lady (instead of Dawn just being
> her tired French and Saunders persona, again). They probably went for
> the 'look, it's the vicar of Dibley!' factor (it did just get voted the
> nation's third favourite sitcom... Blackadder and Only Fools and Horses
> were two and one, so expect to see Rowan Atkinson and David Jason in
> important roles in the later films), rather than someone who acts so
> well you don't spot the actor (unless you're looking) but instead see
> the character, as you imagined them.
>
> -Adam (that didn't have very much to do with The Tomorrow People, sorry,
> um... I wonder if Christopher Lee will play anyone in the later films?)
>
> --
>   The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
>       http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
>     speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.
>




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From: starr@planet.eon.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 07 Jun 2004 10:45:01 -0600

Quoting "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>:
> I'd love for Rowan to play someone similar to Blackadder rather than the 
> Mr Bean end of the spectrum. Not sure who though.

Rowan was my dream casting choice for Snape based on his work in Blackadder. He 
sneers so beautifully LOL

> Any other notable TP actor appearances I should know about?

Doesn't Shaun have good filmographies for most of the cast?

Jane
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada




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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 08 Jun 2004 08:06:43 +1000

On 7 Jun 2004 at 10:45, starr@planet.eon.net wrote:

> > Any other notable TP actor appearances I should know about?
> 
> Doesn't Shaun have good filmographies for most of the cast?

They're on my webpage (URL in sig) - due for updating at the moment 
which I hope to do over the next 6-8 weeks, hopefully sooner rather 
than later.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DragonCon Anyone? Or Context 17?
Date: 08 Jun 2004 05:48:55 -0400

There is decent transport in downtown Atlanta.  Also, when I went to
Dragoncon 2 years ago, we stayed at a Residence Inn about two blocks from
the con hotels.  It was cheaper, and we just walked to the con.  It is a
really good convention, and HUGE, so if you can manage to attend, I'd
recommend it.  The huckster's room is amazing! And David Prowse was there
the year I went, but I missed him and didn't get an autograph.
Have fun if you go!!
Larc

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:10 AM


> Couldn't agree with you more, Kristy!  I think a con
> is the perfect alternative for those of us who can't
> just nip off to the pub for a quick pint with PVC. ;-)
>
> Assuming there's enough interest to make going
> worthwhile, I'll be headed straight down I-75 south.
> The closer one is to I-75, the easier life will be.
> I'd be making the trip anyway, so I'll leave cash
> contributions to the conscience and ability of the
> rider unless I get asked to go waaay off the beaten
> path.  Help with the driving would be most
> appreciated, tho, as would a spare bag of those little
> cheese goldfish crackers.
>
> Ummmm...goldfish! <homer>
>
> I haven't priced hotels, but I would imagine that
> anything really close to the con will be expensive, if
> not already sold out.  As I remember, Atlanta has a
> pretty good public transportation system.  I'm not
> hung up on the con, so I don't much care where we camp
> out.  The cheaper the better as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Anyone out there in metro Atlanta?  Got some pointers
> on where to stay that will allow those interested in
> the con to get there easily by bus/rail?
>
> http://www.dragoncon.org/
>
> Another option is Context, the first weekend in
> October in Columbus, OH.  It's a speculative fiction
> writer's convention that a few listers may already be
> signed up for.  I'd send a link but the web site's
> down.  Google 'Context 17' and you'll at least be able
> to access a cached version of the site.  The
> organizers may be contacted at contextsf@yahoo.com
>
> TP con suite offer still stands, only the festivities
> will have to be planned around the scheduled
> workshops.
>
> Hooah!
> Mary
>
> --- Kristy Fahrenwald <kristyfah@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would so *desperatly* love to be a part of this.
> But I'm not sure if it will be possible moneywise by
> September.  (We're as broke as we've been in a long
> time.)
>
> What you are describing is exactly what I would love
> to do... tag along to a big convention but not bother
> with it.  Just hang out in a 'TP room'  watching the
> show and see everyone who drops by.
>
> Even if I could dream of showing up I'd need to try
> and share a room to save $$... and I'd bring my two
> kiddos (7 yrs & 5 months then).  But I'd be more than
> willing to babysit kiddos for anyone that would be
> going to kid-free places for minimal cost... I'd need
> to be with mine anyway... the more the merrier.
>
> What are you considering Midwest?  Would Arkansas be
> on your way?  I could probably meet you in Memphis or
> something... the only hangup would be  $$  here.  How
> much would something like this (gas, hotel, etc) run,
> do you think?
>
> There has just got to be a way we can do this!  Come
> on people!  Let's make something happen in the US.  :)
>
> Kristy
>
> http://www.dragoncon.org/
>
>
> =====
> Mary B. Svoboda, AAHP
> Health Physicist II
> Wayne State University
> Detroit, MI 48202
>
> A wise person once said to me: "If you cannot be kind, at least have the
decency to be vague."
>
>
>
>
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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 08 Jun 2004 06:00:40 -0400

Dawn French did do a great job, though.  Her hubby, Lenny Henry was the
voice of the shrunken head on the Knight Bus!
I saw it last Sunday with a bunch of 8 and 9 year old boys (my nephew's
birthday party). they loved it, but thought it was a little scary, which
really surprised me.  I thought they'd pretend to not be scared. I thought
it was great.
Larc

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:14 AM


> Elizabeth Spriggs is VERY famous in her own right.  She has an extensive,
> well-respected career in both drama and comedy that spans almost 40 years.
> She's a STAPLE of "Masterpiece Theatre" adaptations of literature.
>
> I think it's not that they wanted someone who was a "better" comedian, but
> like everything else these days, they wanted someone recognizable.
>
> And, of course, we don't know whether Ms. Spriggs was originally supposed
to
> play the part or not.  She may have gotten sick or was in the middle of
> shooting something else or working on a play or something.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>





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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 08 Jun 2004 21:30:16 +1000

On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 06:00:40AM -0400, Larc wrote:
> Dawn French did do a great job, though.  Her hubby, Lenny Henry was the
> voice of the shrunken head on the Knight Bus!
> I saw it last Sunday with a bunch of 8 and 9 year old boys (my nephew's
> birthday party). they loved it, but thought it was a little scary, which
> really surprised me.  I thought they'd pretend to not be scared. I thought
> it was great.

Well, it's not that surprising that it was scary -- the Aussie censors
are giving it an M (15 years and older) rating, though apparently the US
gave it a PG-13 rating.

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From: "Kristin Lee Dunn" <dunnkl@muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 08 Jun 2004 08:55:29 -0400 (EDT)


Kathryn Andersen said:

>
> Well, it's not that surprising that it was scary -- the Aussie censors are giving it an M (15
> years and older) rating, though apparently the US gave it a PG-13 rating.
>
Nope, it's still rated PG. Which makes me wonder. If the NS makes it to DVD (::hugs Jackie because
she's awesome::) what rating will it end up with? At times it looks like it might need a PG
rating... Better yet, TV-Y7 or maybe TV-14. Although if the commentary stays as is with the OS
releases, maybe we'll just have a nice little note that reminds us that it's not rated (like on
most other DVDs that I own) and not a rating change.

Kristin




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Student Manager
Alexander Dining Hall
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio

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corrupt.





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From: "Nick Cambray" <n.cambray@virgin.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Finding PAL/NTSC Converting DVD Players Gets Easier....
Date: 08 Jun 2004 21:25:01 +0100

Another aspect of this is that you don't need a DVD player that 
converts if you have a multi system TV. I understand that nearly 
all new Sony, Toshiba, Samsung sets (to name a few) in tyhe UK
will accept PAL or NTSC composite video on the SCART input, and 
will internally switch. This saves the manufacturers money as 
they only need one basic set for the world market, and just 
install different tuners in different regions.

I can play DVDs from any region on my Philips player. There's 
no conversion within the player, but my Sony TV will automatically 
switch to NTSC if I play a US or Japanese disc, or to PAL for 
broadcast signal or UK DVDs.

Converting the signals from one format to another always results 
in a (sometimes very noticeable) loss of quality, whereas if the 
TV simply switches, the result is a better quality picture 
displayed at the correct frame rate.

Do sets sold in the US support multi standard composite video ?
If so, this will help to simplify the problem faced by US viewers.

Nick

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of George Madison
Sent: 03 June 2004 17:44


I hadn't checked the DVD Player listings at www.VideoHelp.com recently
since I wasn't in the market for a DVD player -- but they've added a
category for "Multisystem/PAL to NTSC/NTSC to PAL" capabilities. Note that
their listings are based on user reports, not "lab testing" so some
caution is still advisable, but this should be helpful for those of you
wanting to find a unit that is capable of dealing with DVDs other than
your locally native video standard.

Note that you can select other features that are important to you and thus
sift out the units most likely to be a good match for your needs.

George





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From: "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Finding PAL/NTSC Converting DVD Players Gets Easier....
Date: 08 Jun 2004 21:38:41 +0100

Nick Cambray wrote:

> Another aspect of this is that you don't need a DVD player that 
> converts if you have a multi system TV. I understand that nearly 
> all new Sony, Toshiba, Samsung sets (to name a few) in tyhe UK
> will accept PAL or NTSC composite video on the SCART input, and 
> will internally switch. This saves the manufacturers money as 
> they only need one basic set for the world market, and just 
> install different tuners in different regions.

It should be noted that quite a few 'portable' sized UK TV sets don't do 
this conversion, while I've found it is pretty standard on fullsized 
TVs. I have to resort to using an old monitor and an external PC TV 
tuner (which lets you switch between two types of PAL, SECAM and NTSC) 
to get my region 1 DVDs to play in colour, unless I want to lug all my 
equiptment down to the living room (where we keep our fullsized telly).

-Adam (in the middle of writing a TP fic)

-- 
  The Tomorrow People - dreams of tomorrow   //  Let me make it plain,
      http://www.dreamsoftomorrow.org       //  You gotta make way for
    speculation, screencaps, fan fiction   //     the homo superior.



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From: Beth E. <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: New Series TV rating (was Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting)
Date: 08 Jun 2004 17:07:05 -0500


On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 07:55 AM, Kristin Lee Dunn wrote:
> what rating will [the New Series] end up with? At times it looks like 
> it might need a PG
> rating... Better yet, TV-Y7 or maybe TV-14. Although if the commentary 
> stays as is with the OS
> releases, maybe we'll just have a nice little note that reminds us 
> that it's not rated (like on
> most other DVDs that I own) and not a rating change.

I remember when the rating system for TV first started, Nickelodeon was 
bragging that all its shows were TV-Y7 or TV-Y.  Though I'd argue that 
TP should be TV-G (which is TV-Y7 but for a family audience instead of 
a 7 year old one).  Parts of it might need a TV-PG rating (just because 
of the guns in a couple serials), but I can't see it being TV14.

Of course, since even the stuff aired after the rating system took 
effect is marked "not rated" I suspect that's how they'll be labeled.

I'm getting the UK versions, so if it is ever released in the US, 
you'll have to let me know.  (Oh, wait, I'll probably buy those too so 
I don't have to watch on my computer.:)
Tigger




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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 08 Jun 2004 23:45:22 +0100

"Kristin Lee Dunn" <dunnkl@muohio.edu> in message
<53758.69.133.45.0.1086699329.squirrel@webmail.muohio.edu> wrote:

> Kathryn Andersen said:

> >
> > Well, it's not that surprising that it was scary -- the Aussie
> > censors are giving it an M (15
> > years and older) rating, though apparently the US gave it a PG-13 rating.
> >
> Nope, it's still rated PG.

Rated PG in the UK rather than the next step up (ie 12-A). BBFC consumer
advice is 'Contains scary scenes and mild language'.

> Which makes me wonder. If the NS makes it to DVD (::hugs Jackie because
> she's awesome::) what rating will it end up with? At times it looks
> like it might need a PG
> rating...

Well the OS has some PG rated stories.

> Better yet, TV-Y7 or maybe TV-14. Although if the commentary stays as
> is with the OS
> releases, maybe we'll just have a nice little note that reminds us
> that it's not rated (like on
> most other DVDs that I own) and not a rating change.

Not the case in the UK - the commentary is supposed to have content
commensurate with the rating given to the main feature. The fact that
the early ones didn't, and resulted in consumer complaints to the BBFC,
makes it unlikely future ones will I would guess.

Jez
-- 



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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Possible TP Sighting
Date: 09 Jun 2004 10:06:39 +1000

On 8 Jun 2004 at 8:55, Kristin Lee Dunn wrote:

> 
> Kathryn Andersen said:
> 
> >
> > Well, it's not that surprising that it was scary -- the Aussie censors are giving it an M (15
> > years and older) rating, though apparently the US gave it a PG-13 rating.
> >
> Nope, it's still rated PG.

Here in Australia, it was given an M rating on Monday - the cinema 
chains appealed and the rating has been returned to PG - but for a 
while there, it was officially M.

> Which makes me wonder. If the NS makes it to DVD (::hugs Jackie
> because she's awesome::) what rating will it end up with? At times it
> looks like it might need a PG rating... Better yet, TV-Y7 or maybe
> TV-14. Although if the commentary stays as is with the OS releases,
> maybe we'll just have a nice little note that reminds us that it's not
> rated (like on most other DVDs that I own) and not a rating change. 

Apparently under Australia's current censorship guidelines (I keep 
meaning to get these and check) the scene with Megabyte holding a 
gun at the end of Origin Story is a problem for even a PG rating. 
I'm not sure how much of a problem - but it seems even single 
issues like that can cause significant issues.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
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"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Finding PAL/NTSC Converting DVD Players Gets Easier....
Date: 08 Jun 2004 22:15:26 -0700 (PDT)

Nick Cambray said:
> Another aspect of this is that you don't need a DVD player that
> converts if you have a multi system TV. [...]
>
> Do sets sold in the US support multi standard composite video ?
> If so, this will help to simplify the problem faced by US viewers.

You can get them, but one has to go to a specialist dealer and pay a very
significant premium. One simply does NOT find them at mass-merchandising
outlets like Sears, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. The US can be a very
xenophobic place. I bet the bulk of the population doesn't even KNOW that
much of the rest of the world uses a different TV standard.

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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: CD's
Date: 11 Jun 2004 18:44:52 +0100

I've just heard some news from Nigel Fairs at BF about the latest CD stories
and thought I'd pass it along.

"Alone" is complete now, and hopefully will be out at the end of June, with
"Slarvian Menace" hot on its heels (I started editing it yesterday!)

I'm really looking forward to seeing what the CD's are like under Nigel's
watchful eye and to learn how they plan to cope without Philip/TIM.

Jackie

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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: An impromptu chat session
Date: 11 Jun 2004 19:18:37 +0100

Is there anyone on line who wants to join TinyTim and myself in chat? It's
7.20 pm BST on Friday and we thought we'd see who's around. The topic is the
next CD adventures or anything else related to TP.

Usual place  Mirc Sorcery.net in #TomorrowPeople


Jackie
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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: CD's
Date: 11 Jun 2004 11:21:45 -0700

I subscribed to BF's Bernice Summerfield CDs and I've also got some of their
Doctor Who CDs. Ideal for doing chores around the house with headphones on!
They really do great work.

I've decided to wait to hear the Tomorrow People until I've seen all the
original series episodes. I haven't even listened to the free CD yet ;-)

- Peter
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Subject: TPDIS: free cd????
Date: 11 Jun 2004 15:31:31 EDT


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From: Dark4eyes@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: free cd????
Date: 11 Jun 2004 16:24:16 -0400

What was the free cd title? 

I think they mean the "sampler" cd you get when you first sign up - I've got a couple of them, too.  Funny, I haven't listened to them either ;+D

Viv
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From: "abby miller" <mommiller89@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Re CD News
Date: 11 Jun 2004 22:04:05 -0400

Did I read that right?

Jackie, are you editing the next script?!?

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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: CD's
Date: 11 Jun 2004 11:21:45 -0700

I subscribed to BF's Bernice Summerfield CDs and I've also got some of their
Doctor Who CDs. Ideal for doing chores around the house with headphones on!
They really do great work.

I've decided to wait to hear the Tomorrow People until I've seen all the
original series episodes. I haven't even listened to the free CD yet ;-)

- Peter
_________________________________________________________________
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Theta-G
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re CD News
Date: 12 Jun 2004 06:16:10 +0100

No, not me, Nigel Fairs... I wondered why someone congratulated me in chat
last night. LOL

Sorry to cause any confusion, I have been invited along to the studio to
watch a recording, though.

Jackie


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:04 AM


> Did I read that right?
>
> Jackie, are you editing the next script?!?
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to
win
> a trip to NY
>
http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/
>
>
>





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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: free cd????
Date: 11 Jun 2004 22:41:33 -0700 (PDT)


--- Dark4eyes@aol.com wrote:
> What was the free cd title? 
> 
> I think they mean the "sampler" cd you get when you
> first sign up - I've got a couple of them, too. 
> Funny, I haven't listened to them either ;+D
> 

My guess was the promo version of The New Gods
included with the Worlds Away DVD from Series 3.  It's
the complete CD from Big Finish, along with a brief ad
about the Audio Dramas.  

mike



	
		
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Sunday chat
Date: 13 Jun 2004 16:37:52 +0100

Hi folks! Is there anyone ready to join us in chat on this lovely summer's
afternoon? It's 4.37 pm BST


Today's topic: Are the TP a separate species?

Cya soon

Jackie & Elizabeth
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From: "Carol Bevis" <tillicum@lineone.net>
Subject: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 14 Jun 2004 20:19:55 +0100

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I've recently been watching the DVDs of the first three series and I've
wondered if TIM could have operated as a sort of modem for the sap friends
in the lab. What I mean is that he could change the the telepathic signals
from those not in the lab to speech and put them on a loudspeaker for the
benefit of the saps and conversely change any answers from the saps into
telepathic signals and send them back to the person 'pathing the gang in the
lab.

What do you think? Should he be able to do that, and if so, why hasn't
anyone else come up with it?

Regards,

Carol

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From: Drew Thiele <bear.mage@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 14 Jun 2004 17:36:09 -0700

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At 08:19 PM 6/14/04 +0100, you wrote:

>I've recently been watching the DVDs of the first three series and I've 
>wondered if TIM could have operated as a sort of modem for the sap friends 
>in the lab. What I mean is that he could change the the telepathic signals 
>from those not in the lab to speech and put them on a loudspeaker for the 
>benefit of the saps and conversely change any answers from the saps into 
>telepathic signals and send them back to the person 'pathing the gang in 
>the lab.
>
>What do you think? Should he be able to do that, and if so, why hasn't 
>anyone else come up with it?

Intriguing... I don't see how it'd be impossible since TIM's a biotronic 
computer I think... (I'm only going by what I've heard and what I've read 
of fanfic...)

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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 15 Jun 2004 06:55:55 +0100

It is certainly feasible as we know that he could respond to incoming phone
calls from Prof. Cawston and Andrew - when he lost his powers.

Relaying messages by changing speech into telepathy and visa versa seems a
logical thing for him to do.

Jackie


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> At 08:19 PM 6/14/04 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >I've recently been watching the DVDs of the first three series and I've
> >wondered if TIM could have operated as a sort of modem for the sap
friends
> >in the lab. What I mean is that he could change the the telepathic
signals
> >from those not in the lab to speech and put them on a loudspeaker for the
> >benefit of the saps and conversely change any answers from the saps into
> >telepathic signals and send them back to the person 'pathing the gang in
> >the lab.
> >
> >What do you think? Should he be able to do that, and if so, why hasn't
> >anyone else come up with it?
>
> Intriguing... I don't see how it'd be impossible since TIM's a biotronic
> computer I think... (I'm only going by what I've heard and what I've read
> of fanfic...)
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: A message from Revaltion films
Date: 15 Jun 2004 11:28:38 +0100

I have been in touch with revelation regarding the DVD's and here's their
response.

Firstly, I explained that fans in the USA  are having trouble ordering box
sets via MVC and asked for an email address:

Revelation replied: Please ask them to contact our website www.revfilms.com
they should find
everything needed, there.

This is not quite what they implied when I met their representative at the
recording session.


Secondly I told them that I'd had a serious request from some hearing
impaired fans for
Revelation to produce future discs (especially the New Series DVD's) with
closed caption.

Revelation replied: I'll look into this and investigate the practicalities.

Thirdly, I asked whether they planned for the New Series actors to do future
commentaries?

Revelation replied: Very much so, yes.

That's all for now - Jackie


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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 15 Jun 2004 23:21:24 +1000

On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 06:55:55AM +0100, Jackie Clark wrote:
> It is certainly feasible as we know that he could respond to incoming phone
> calls from Prof. Cawston and Andrew - when he lost his powers.
> 
> Relaying messages by changing speech into telepathy and visa versa seems a
> logical thing for him to do.

Which just raises the question of the social aspects of it: whether he'd
choose not to translate telepathic conversations into speech because of
privacy issues.

Then again, it isn't *entirely* clear whether the broadcast telepathy of
the TP is always "hearable" by everyone, or whether a particular TP
could direct thought at another particular TP without the others
listening in.

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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 15 Jun 2004 16:21:30 +0100

It's funny that you should mention this Kathryn, as only yesterday I wrote a
very long mail to Anyta on this very subject. I'll copy some of it in below,
but remember that it is only my personal opinion on the topic. Funny how you
can find time for these sort of things when you are sitting around, unable
to walk, with a broken toe lol!
>
> Then again, it isn't *entirely* clear whether the broadcast telepathy of
> the TP is always "hearable" by everyone, or whether a particular TP
> could direct thought at another particular TP without the others
> listening in.
>


Here's my ideas on this... At breakout the TP mind is opened up
completely... the Sap-like mental blocks fall away, but there are no shields
at that time for the new breakout to put into place. The thoughts that flood
their minds are from other Saps who have some limited telepathic ability
(and I believe that we all have a little of it, its just that we don't
notice we are using it. It is strong in our youth, but dies away due to
neglect as we grow older.) In addition they pick up broadcasts from other
pre-breakout TPs.

Carol picked up a lot of voices as she was in the park, and thus surrounded
by many other young people, which meant a larger percentage of them were
potential TPs or young Saps with some telepathic ability. Passing out saved
her from the voices and as soon as she came round her first contact with
John allowed her to develop shielding straight away from her hospital bed.

If we think of Stephen's case, as he approached the moment of breakout and
his mind opened he was suffering because the voices were also bothering him.
He was trying to overcome it by either sleeping or receding into his own
mind. Luckily his subconscious had relayed or transmitted these signals
(like forwarding incoming mail to everyone in your address book and the TPs
perceived it as a jumble of noise.) Because he lived close enough to the
TPs, they could pick up his mental voice from within this cacophony and
find out where he was and trace him. When Carol jaunted to his bedside and
woke him the voices flooded his mind, but she shook him and demanded he come
back and then by focussing he managed to regain control until she helped him
put his shields in place.

The images of a flower opening, a foetus being reborn, a galaxy exploding
etc. are analogies of the TP mind opening, but they serve another purpose
too. The act of focussing on them makes the TP connect certain areas of the
brain and thus create heir own shield.

I hope I've described this clearly enough.

You asked how come the TP can actually manage to contact one another mind to
mind, so to speak, if they have these shields. Well I see it that there are
various channels and levels of shielding or filtering. I need to give you
some A Level Psychology lecturing to explain this... here goes!

It is both Cherry and Kahneman's theories -  well known psychologists
researching into attentional systems of the brain -  who's work I believe
relates to this. Cherry proposed the 'Cocktail Party Effect' where one is
able to pick up one's own name from a multitude of auditory signals at a
party and know instinctively that someone is talking about you. This
probably happens because we are social animals. The information most
important to us is that which assures our survival, but because we no longer
live a primitive existence we have other things of importance to us in
modern society.  The brain is attuned to the frequency and patterns in your
own name when spoken and holds this like a template to compare all other
incoming information with. It holds templates for all other information too,
but each piece has an individual threshold of activation depending upon how
important that information is to the individual. These are called personal
dispositions and are set by our interests, experiences etc.

What this means is that every millisecond the brain is making decisions on
the thousands of bits of information bombarding the senses. It decides
whether to pay any attention to them and move then from an non-analysed
form, held in a buffer (collection of cells) for half a second into a
limited
capacity processor, or to push them out and discard them all together.
Because we are limited capacity processors (like a limited hard drive on the
PC) we can only deal with so much info at a time and the most important info
must be that which assures our survival. This we set low threshold levels
for important incoming information and high ones for unimportant things.
When the information enters our brain, it is compared with what we have
stored as a template and if the threshold is set as being low then only a
10 % match would be required for it to get through.  Information with a
higher threshold would need 50 % of the material matching the template
before it got through and other items may need as much as a 90 % match. This
information is very likely to be disregarded by us.

For example. When I'm watching TP it is important to me and although my
husband's voice is equally important, for some reason if he asks me whether
I want a cup of coffee (which I rarely drink) I hardly notice. Sometimes he
walks in holding a coffee and I accuse him of not asking me whether I wanted
one, but he assures me he did, I just didn't notice him asking. Because TP
is
very important all of that info was getting through and being processed, his
voice wasn't. On the other hand if he asked me if I wanted some chocolate or
sweets (which I love) I always notice... it gets through the filter because
the threshold is set low. He doesn't even have to say the whole word... just
'do you want a piece of my choc...' will match with 30% of the template and
this I definitely notice and process, even if it is TP on the TV at the
time.

So how does this relate to telepathy? Well, we know that Sap minds have this
attentional system for auditory information, why should it be any different
for telepathic information. The shields that a TP puts into place are in
fact the same as these attentional templates. If John makes contact with a
TP,
because they see him as important they have  thresholds set very low
for him and are likely to allow his signal through. A random signal from a
Sap mind will impinge on a TPs mind but it wont match any of their existing
templates for people or situations they know, so they hold it for a maximum
of half a second and then disregard it. To the conscious mind it looks like
they are not actually perceiving it at all!

But IMHO this is only part of the system... I do hope you can follow this.

I believe that each individual has a frequency upon which they broadcast and
that these individual signals would be recognisable to the brain of other
telepaths. There may be a general emergency signal, one where the threshold
is set very low and just the word or feeling of needing HELP! would break
through into conscious awareness for any telepath. Then there are family
channels (or channels for TIM) which are broadcasting to many people at
once, somewhat like a telephone conference call. Lastly there are private
channels. And all of these frequencies/channels have different thresholds
which work for the individual at different intensities depending on their
personal dispositions.

So far I have explained how a telepaths mind accepts incoming messages, now
I'll move onto transmission. Because all TPs are aware of each other's
frequency and thresholds, they can focus their minds in various ways. Open
channels would be those accessible to all mind, there fore when transmitting
a cry for help they instinctively use the emergency channel and know it will
get through even if it is very faint or distant. At the other end of the
scale, messages broadcast not just on a particular frequency but towards a
particular frequency would enable private conversation to take place that
is, to all intense and purposes, shielded from the others in the room.

The last part of this system is to accept that it is totally dynamic system.
Although I mentioned above that words like Help, one's name, or indeed an
incoming call from John,  are set with low thresholds and get through the
filter/shield and reach consciousness awareness much easier than other
signals, the threshold itself is variable. Let us imagine a TP on a specific
mission who is listening out for another person approaching... they can
lower the threshold on their awareness of the open channels. Or they may be
expecting an emergency message form TIM and unconsciously choose to make
this higher priority (having a lower threshold) than a signal from another
source. If both comes in at once they may only notice the one they want to
pay attention to. This idea does fit the series where they often say that
someone is concentrating too much to respond to a telepathic call.

I'm going around in circles here and don't know whether I've managed to
convey my ideas at all... but it was fun trying to explain it to you. Let me
know if it makes sense?

I see Pavla as a very special case. She had a unique ability to drop her
shields all together lowering the threshold for all signals from all minds
around her (even non-telepathic ones) and instead of storing them in an
unanalysed form for just half a second before passing important info onto
the limited capacity processor, she bypassed the first process and moved
everything directly into her unconscious in its unanalysed form. When they
drained her mind she'd have a lot of irrelevant info stored, but by picking
through it some secrets might be gleaned too!





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From: Scott Goldman <scottg@global2000.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 16 Jun 2004 20:15:19 -0400


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Well, he does do that, doesn't he?  In Secret Weapon, when they have the
Prime Minister,  John says he's been in touch with government officials
& The PM sys I didn't hear you on the phone.  Johns reply is "We have
our ways"

I always assumed it was TP to Tim and then TIM to us SAPS... Just one
more step from John and Elizabeth talking to Prof Cawston via "Tim , the
universe's smartest speakerphone"

Scott

On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 15:19, Carol Bevis wrote:

> I've recently been watching the DVDs of the first three series and
> I've wondered if TIM could have operated as a sort of modem for the
> sap friends in the lab. What I mean is that he could change the the
> telepathic signals from those not in the lab to speech and put them on
> a loudspeaker for the benefit of the saps and conversely change any
> answers from the saps into telepathic signals and send them back to
> the person 'pathing the gang in the lab.
>  
> What do you think? Should he be able to do that, and if so, why hasn't
> anyone else come up with it?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Carol

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Well, he does do that, doesn't he?&nbsp; In Secret Weapon, when they have the Prime Minister,&nbsp; John says he's been in touch with government officials &amp; The PM sys I didn't hear you on the phone.&nbsp; Johns reply is &quot;We have our ways&quot;<BR>
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I always assumed it was TP to Tim and then TIM to us SAPS... Just one more step from John and Elizabeth talking to Prof Cawston via &quot;Tim , the universe's smartest speakerphone&quot;<BR>
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    <FONT COLOR="#737373" SIZE="2"><I>I've recently been watching the DVDs&nbsp;of the first three series and I've wondered if TIM could have operated as a sort of modem for the sap friends in the lab. What I mean is that he could change the the telepathic signals from those not in the lab to speech and put them on a loudspeaker for the benefit of the saps and conversely change any answers from the saps into telepathic signals and send them back to the person 'pathing the gang in the lab.</FONT><BR>
    <FONT COLOR="#737373">&nbsp;</FONT><BR>
    <FONT COLOR="#737373" SIZE="2">What do you think? Should he be able to do that, and if so, why hasn't anyone else come up with it?</FONT><BR>
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    <FONT COLOR="#737373" SIZE="2">Regards,</FONT><BR>
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    <FONT COLOR="#737373" SIZE="2">Carol</I></FONT>
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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 17 Jun 2004 11:19:24 -0400

Didn't he do just tht for Gige, Lefty, and Chris on a regular basis?
Toreen

In a message dated 6/15/2004 1:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> writes:

>It is certainly feasible as we know that he could respond to incoming phone
>calls from Prof. Cawston and Andrew - when he lost his powers.
>
>Relaying messages by changing speech into telepathy and visa versa seems a
>logical thing for him to do.
>
>Jackie
>
>
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>To: <tpdis@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:36 AM
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
>
>
>> At 08:19 PM 6/14/04 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> >I've recently been watching the DVDs of the first three series and I've
>> >wondered if TIM could have operated as a sort of modem for the sap
>friends
>> >in the lab. What I mean is that he could change the the telepathic
>signals
>> >from those not in the lab to speech and put them on a loudspeaker for the
>> >benefit of the saps and conversely change any answers from the saps into
>> >telepathic signals and send them back to the person 'pathing the gang in
>> >the lab.
>> >
>> >What do you think? Should he be able to do that, and if so, why hasn't
>> >anyone else come up with it?
>>
>> Intriguing... I don't see how it'd be impossible since TIM's a biotronic
>> computer I think... (I'm only going by what I've heard and what I've read
>> of fanfic...)
>>
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From: "Margaret Mattinson" <matty436@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: TIM the telepathic/vocal modem
Date: 19 Jun 2004 12:42:12 +0000

Wow Jackie!

I just read your e-mail. I found it incredibly interesting and found that a 
lot of what you said makes sense and is very relevant.

The example you gave of the cup of coffee, I can relate to. I tend to 
'switch off' when I am concentrating hard on something. I become aware of 
somebody speaking and then have to ask them to repeat themselves as the 
message slowly seeps into my consciousness. My mum says, 'Oh no, she's gone 
again!'

From this I can understand how the TP manage to shield their thoughts and 
other messages. Very interesting.

Matty

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From: Drew Thiele <bear.mage@verizon.net>
Subject: TPDIS: TP Chat
Date: 19 Jun 2004 17:52:50 -0700

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If anyone's out there, and wants to chat, come on in to #Tomorrow People, 
on IRC server Sorcery.net ....

Two of us are in there now... :)

Come on in :)

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From: "robert gudgeon" <robertgudgeona@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: chat
Date: 21 Jun 2004 01:40:04 +1000

well its that time again its chat time so come jione me and the lovely 
jackie in the Tomorrow People chat room on  SorceryNet come and chat please.
Robert

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From: "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Natural human-powered teleportation before TP?
Date: 20 Jun 2004 21:16:54 +0100

Hi,

This came out of a discussion on IRC.

I'm wondering if Roger Price created the idea of naturally powered 
teleporters who naturally have their powers as a psychic power of the 
mind not due to magic, technology or a plot device, or because they are 
aliens, mystical creatures or gods.

I'm sure there must be a science fiction story out there pre-1973, I 
mean the amount of science fiction that was written for magazines back 
in the day...

Can anyone think of any examples or does Roger Price have copyright on 
this concept (and not just the more general teleportation, telepathy and 
unable to kill, starting at puberty bundle).

Was there a teleporting member of the X-Men before '73? That's mutant 
abilities and so close.

-Adam (just wondering how close we could get to the concept without 
breaking RP's copyright)

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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Natural human-powered teleportation before TP?
Date: 21 Jun 2004 07:55:47 +1000

On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 09:16:54PM +0100, Madam, I'm Adam wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This came out of a discussion on IRC.
> 
> I'm wondering if Roger Price created the idea of naturally powered 
> teleporters who naturally have their powers as a psychic power of the 
> mind not due to magic, technology or a plot device, or because they are 
> aliens, mystical creatures or gods.
> 
> I'm sure there must be a science fiction story out there pre-1973, I 
> mean the amount of science fiction that was written for magazines back 
> in the day...

Surely he got the idea from Alfred Bester? "The Stars My Destination"
(aka "Tiger! Tiger!") is copyright 1956.  And that novel is certainly
where he got the word "jaunt" from.

Kathryn Andersen
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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Natural human-powered teleportation before TP?
Date: 21 Jun 2004 08:07:51 +1000

On 20 Jun 2004 at 21:16, Madam, I'm Adam wrote:

> Can anyone think of any examples or does Roger Price have copyright on 
> this concept (and not just the more general teleportation, telepathy and 
> unable to kill, starting at puberty bundle).
> 
> Was there a teleporting member of the X-Men before '73? That's mutant 
> abilities and so close.

I'm sure it existed prior to 1973 - Bester's work mentioned by 
Kathryn Anderson sprang immediately to my mind as well, but I can't 
remember the precise mechanics of his jaunting.

Regardless, though, copyright doesn't really come into it. A person 
cannot copyright a concept or an idea - it's not legally possible. 
The idea of teleportation through mind powers could not legally be 
copyrighted. The particular way a concept is expressed in words is 
protected (you can't go too close to the precise wording or 
phrasing used) but the concept is not.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
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thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Natural human-powered teleportation before TP?
Date: 20 Jun 2004 22:49:55 -0700 (PDT)

--- "Madam, I'm Adam" <glitterkid@jinkies.org.uk>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This came out of a discussion on IRC.
> 
> I'm wondering if Roger Price created the idea of
> naturally powered 
> teleporters who naturally have their powers as a
> psychic power of the 
> mind not due to magic, technology or a plot device,
> or because they are 
> aliens, mystical creatures or gods.
> 
> I'm sure there must be a science fiction story out
> there pre-1973, I 
> mean the amount of science fiction that was written
> for magazines back 
> in the day...
> 
> Can anyone think of any examples or does Roger Price
> have copyright on 
> this concept (and not just the more general
> teleportation, telepathy and 
> unable to kill, starting at puberty bundle).
> 
> Was there a teleporting member of the X-Men before
> '73? That's mutant 
> abilities and so close.
> 

The 'new' X-Men didn't appear until 1975, so
Nightcrawler (the first teleporting X-Men) didn't
appear until after the TP premiered, BUT there was an
X-Men villain called The Vanisher who was a
teleporter.  He appeared in one of the first issues of
X-Men, definitely within the first 5 issues I want to
say.  Maybe #2?  I'm not sure.  Regardless, that would
be in 1963 or 1964.

Alfred Bester was already mentioned.

The idea of teleportation being associated with
telepathic abilities existed at least as early as the
Victorian era (late 19th Century to early 20th) in
association with 'mentalism'.  Many of the men and
women who conned people with seances and the like used
stage magic tricks to appear to 'teleport' from one
place to another - bringing some 'exotic' thing 'back'
with them like a piece of fruit or a sea-shell or some
other prop.  

I"m sure there must be examples of writers like Conan
Doyle, Twain, or Wells that touch on something like
that.  

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From: "Martin Dunne" <martindunne@bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Natural human-powered teleportation before TP?
Date: 21 Jun 2004 17:20:57 +0930



> The 'new' X-Men didn't appear until 1975, so
> Nightcrawler (the first teleporting X-Men) didn't
> appear until after the TP premiered, BUT there was an
> X-Men villain called The Vanisher who was a
> teleporter.  He appeared in one of the first issues of
> X-Men, definitely within the first 5 issues I want to
> say.  Maybe #2?  I'm not sure.  Regardless, that would
> be in 1963 or 1964.
[snip]

> mike

It was ... uuuh ... (check) ... number 2, indeed.
Cover date Nov. '63.

Martin




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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: chat
Date: 21 Jun 2004 16:15:26 -0700

on 6/20/04 8:40 AM, robert gudgeon at robertgudgeona@hotmail.com wrote:

> well its that time again its chat time so come jione me and the lovely
> jackie in the Tomorrow People chat room on  SorceryNet come and chat please.

Sorry I missed y'all, 5 hours before the chat I had only just got to bed;
will try again next week :-)

- Peter
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From: Beth E. <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: TPDIS: Admin: Incommunicado
Date: 21 Jun 2004 22:56:39 -0500

I'll be on vacation from tomorrow until June 28, 2004.  My laptop is 
coming with me, but I don't know what I'll run into in terms of local 
dial-up numbers (some hotels have weird definitions of "local") or time.

As such, if you have questions or concerns in that period, Wendy or 
Shaun might be faster to respond.

Thanks,
Beth
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From: "janet.sullivan" <janet.sullivan@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Admin: Incommunicado
Date: 22 Jun 2004 08:35:03 +0100

Have a great holiday.  
Not coming across the water to England this time then?!
You could have waited for the next CD release.
But I don't suppose that that counts as local!
Hope the weather is good to you.
Take Care

Janet


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  May the sun always shine on your windowpane;
  May a rainbow be certain to follow each rain;
  May the hand of a friend always be near you;
  May God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:56 AM


> I'll be on vacation from tomorrow until June 28, 2004.  My laptop is 
> coming with me, but I don't know what I'll run into in terms of local 
> dial-up numbers (some hotels have weird definitions of "local") or time.
> 
> As such, if you have questions or concerns in that period, Wendy or 
> Shaun might be faster to respond.
> 
> Thanks,
> Beth
> Asst. List Admin
> 
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From: "John Dignan" <John.Dignan@riba-enterprises.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Aerial Device
Date: 23 Jun 2004 11:01:12 +0100


Walking past the pub on my way to work this morning I noticed that Nigel
Rhodes' band Aerial Device are playing there next week, Thursday 1st
July. Does anyone fancy coming down and checking them out? The venue is
The Half Moon pub on Lower Richmond Road, Putney.

john



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From: Mary Svoboda <barsoom2026@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Aerial Device
Date: 23 Jun 2004 05:47:47 -0700 (PDT)

Hey John,

Some time back there was a rumor of an American tour
for the band.  Could you see about getting a schedule
for us Yanks while you're there?

Thanks!
Mary

--- John Dignan <John.Dignan@riba-enterprises.com>
wrote:
> 
> Walking past the pub on my way to work this morning
> I noticed that Nigel
> Rhodes' band Aerial Device are playing there next
> week, Thursday 1st
> July. Does anyone fancy coming down and checking
> them out? The venue is
> The Half Moon pub on Lower Richmond Road, Putney.
> 
> john
> 
> 


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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Aerial Device
Date: 23 Jun 2004 18:32:15 EDT


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In a message dated 6/23/2004 6:01:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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Walking past the pub on my way to work this morning I noticed that Nigel
Rhodes' band Aerial Device are playing there next week, Thursday 1st
July. Does anyone fancy coming down and checking them out? The venue is
The Half Moon pub on Lower Richmond Road, Putney.

john
I wish I could. It sounds like a lot of fun.
Toreen

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From: Dark4eyes@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: OT - sorta - headline to make you pause
Date: 24 Jun 2004 13:18:43 -0400


Italy's TIM Blocks Vodafone Texts After Spam Spat

certainly got my attention 

Viv







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From: "John Dignan" <John.Dignan@riba-enterprises.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Aerial Device
Date: 25 Jun 2004 11:37:19 +0100

> Some time back there was a rumor of an American tour
> for the band.  Could you see about getting a schedule
> for us Yanks while you're there?

Nothing about a US tour on their website, I shall have to make enquiries
next week.

john



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From: Mary Svoboda <barsoom2026@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Aerial Device
Date: 25 Jun 2004 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT)

Thanks John!  There are plenty of really nice small
venues in metro Detroit, and at least one member of
the not-so-official Andrew Forbes Estrogen Brigade
would be in attendance if they should ever decide to
jaunt in.  Show us your knees, laddie! :-D <heh!>

--- John Dignan <John.Dignan@riba-enterprises.com> >
Nothing about a US tour on their website, I shall
> have to make enquiries
> next week.

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