From: Aaron Propes <aaron@interactivetheatre.org>
Subject: TPDIS: Trevor Littledale
Date: 01 Aug 2004 17:30:54 -0500


Big Finish has announced that Trevor Littledale will succeed Philip 
Gilbert as TIM, starting in The Warlock's Dance, which is scheduled to 
be released in October. Apparently at least some of the recording has 
already taken place. More information is at: 
http://www.bigfinish.com/news/news_040801_newtim.shtml

Aaron

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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Alone - no  spoilers
Date: 02 Aug 2004 11:38:22 +0100

Has anyone else listened to 'Alone' who can write a short review? With
suitable spoiler space, of course! I can't be the only person on the list to
have received a copy since last week? I'm beginning to wonder whether you
all hate it as much as I like it?  lol.

Jackie (who's planning some web page updates.)
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From: <littlemouse@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: Alone - no  spoilers
Date: 02 Aug 2004 07:09:13 -0500

I got mine Saturday but haven't sat down to listen to it as yet..

Stephanie

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Has anyone else listened to 'Alone' who can write a short review? With
suitable spoiler space, of course! I can't be the only person on the
list to
have received a copy since last week? I'm beginning to wonder whether
you
all hate it as much as I like it?  lol.

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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - no  spoilers
Date: 02 Aug 2004 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT)

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It hasn't come yet.  I'm way behind; I was excited because the season 4/5 DVD set came in the mail on Saturday.  Then I watched "Into the Unknown" and slowly slipped into a coma...
 
-Jasmine

Jackie Clark <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Has anyone else listened to 'Alone' who can write a short review? With
suitable spoiler space, of course! I can't be the only person on the list to
have received a copy since last week? I'm beginning to wonder whether you
all hate it as much as I like it? lol.

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<DIV>It hasn't come yet.&nbsp; I'm way behind; I was excited because the season 4/5 DVD set came in the mail on Saturday.&nbsp; Then I watched "Into the Unknown" and slowly slipped into a coma...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>Jackie Clark &lt;Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Has anyone else listened to 'Alone' who can write a short review? With<BR>suitable spoiler space, of course! I can't be the only person on the list to<BR>have received a copy since last week? I'm beginning to wonder whether you<BR>all hate it as much as I like it? lol.<BR><BR>Jackie (who's planning some web page updates.)<BR>--------<BR>May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled<BR>Traditional Manyarnern Greeting<BR><BR>www.The-Tomorrow-People.co.uk<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: TPDIS: TP BF CDs
Date: 02 Aug 2004 08:40:49 -0700

Jasmine Sadrieh wrote:

> It hasn't come yet.  I'm way behind; I was excited because the season 
> 4/5 DVD set came in the mail on Saturday.  Then I watched "Into the 
> Unknown" and slowly slipped into a coma...

I don't know if my situation is unique, but I've decided to get hold of
all the original series DVDs before listening to the audios. Despite my
old Nickelodeon days some of these eps are effectively new to me and so
I want to complete the picture before moving beyond...

Amazon tells me my 4/5 set shipped recently...

When do the MVC-blessed expect to see the last of the original series
DVDs? An upcoming releases calendar with such dates and distinctions
would make a valuable addition to any TP Web site ;-)

- Peter

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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Re: TP CDs and DVDs
Date: 02 Aug 2004 09:07:37 -0700 (PDT)

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I'm fairly content to go on without the complete picture; as far as I can tell, it's always changing anyway :-)  I listened to "The Deadliest Species" about a month ago, without having seen all of the DVDs or any of the other CDs, and I still haven't heard any of the other CDs, but I orderd "Alone" and plan to listen to it when it comes; I'm reckless that way...
 
I actually am not sure whether I'm going to buy the last set of DVDs; even as an 11-year-old my interest tended to fade out after the fourth season.  I remember Nickelodeon showed all of the episodes over and over again in a loop, and I think after the first run-through I used to just watch through the fourth season and then wait for them to come back to the beginning again.  So when I watched part of "The Dirtiest Business" this weekend I didn't remember it at all, but I had bizarrely clear memories of "Into the Unknown" with its earth-tone sweaters and suicide-inducing plotline.  I had forgotten Tyso and Stephen's feathered, '70s teen-dream haircuts, though...
 
-Jasmine

Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com> wrote:

I don't know if my situation is unique, but I've decided to get hold of
all the original series DVDs before listening to the audios. Despite my
old Nickelodeon days some of these eps are effectively new to me and so
I want to complete the picture before moving beyond...


		
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I actually am not sure whether I'm going to buy the last set of DVDs; even as an 11-year-old my interest tended to fade out after the fourth season.&nbsp; I remember Nickelodeon showed all of the episodes over and over again in a loop, and I think after the first run-through I used to just watch through the fourth season and then wait for them to come back to the beginning again.&nbsp; So when I watched part of "The Dirtiest Business" this weekend I didn't remember it at all, but I had bizarrely clear memories of "Into the Unknown" with its earth-tone sweaters and suicide-inducing plotline.&nbsp; I had forgotten&nbsp;Tyso and&nbsp;Stephen's feathered, '70s teen-dream haircuts, though...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>Peter Fagan &lt;peter@theta-g.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>I don't know if my situation is unique, but I've decided to get hold of<BR>all the original series DVDs before listening to the audios. Despite my<BR>old Nickelodeon days some of these eps are effectively new to me and so<BR>I want to complete the picture before moving beyond...<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Request for Spoilers
Date: 02 Aug 2004 10:08:55 -0700


> I actually am not sure whether I'm going to buy the last set of DVDs; 
> even as an 11-year-old my interest tended to fade out after the fourth 
> season.  I remember Nickelodeon showed all of the episodes over and 
> over again in a loop, and I think after the first run-through I used 
> to just watch through the fourth season and then wait for them to come 
> back to the beginning again.

I suppose there's always this email list if some continuity in the BF 
CDs baffles me :-)

Can anyone remind me where we left our heroes at the end of season 8? Or 
is that be covered in the course of The Deadliest Species CD?

- Peter

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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Request for Spoilers (no real spoilers :-)
Date: 02 Aug 2004 11:18:51 -0700 (PDT)

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There's a ton of continuity references in the Deadliest Species, but I didn't have any trouble following it with a recent memory of the first three seasons and a vague, 20-year-old memory of seasons 4-8.  I don't remember what happens at the end of season 8 (I remember Andrew's very bad American accent; that is all...)  Stephen and Tyso disappear in the fifth season and on the TV show there is no explanation given and they are never mentioned again (unlike Carol and Kenny and even Tricia, who go to the Trig and fall in love with ambassadors and offer sartorial advice to Timus, etc.)  Does anyone know why that is?  (I mean why is it never explained from a story point of view--I know PVC said he was fired because he couldn't act--as a child I thought perhaps they had sacked him for growing too tall...)
 
-Jasmine



I suppose there's always this email list if some continuity in the BF 
CDs baffles me :-)

Can anyone remind me where we left our heroes at the end of season 8? Or 
is that be covered in the course of The Deadliest Species CD?

- Peter

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<DIV>There's a ton of continuity references in the Deadliest Species, but I didn't have any trouble following it with a recent memory of the first three seasons and a vague, 20-year-old memory of seasons 4-8.&nbsp; I don't remember what happens at the end of season 8 (I remember Andrew's very bad American accent; that is all...)&nbsp; Stephen and Tyso disappear in the fifth season and on the TV show there is no explanation given and they are never mentioned again (unlike Carol and Kenny and even Tricia, who go to the Trig and fall in love with ambassadors and offer sartorial advice to Timus, etc.)&nbsp; Does anyone know why that is?&nbsp; (I mean why&nbsp;is it&nbsp;never explained from a story point of view--I know PVC said he was fired because he couldn't act--as a child I thought perhaps they had sacked him for growing too tall...)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>I suppose there's always this email list if some continuity in the BF <BR>CDs baffles me :-)<BR><BR>Can anyone remind me where we left our heroes at the end of season 8? Or <BR>is that be covered in the course of The Deadliest Species CD?<BR><BR>- Peter<BR><BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Peter Fagan<BR>+1-415-931-2680 | +1-415-846-6099 mobile<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Request for Spoilers (no real spoilers :-)
Date: 02 Aug 2004 14:52:03 EDT


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Season 8: the Tp end the war by transporting the Thargons to separate and far 
parts of the galaxy, I think. Anyway the Thargons are far away from Earth but 
might try to get back to it..it will take years I guess. The events prompt 
the old fashioned do nothing Trig council to change their ways as Timus tells 
the Tp that a whole new era begins: one of doing things and interacting and 
taking action...and then the series ends. It seems the council and the Trig will 
get more active in interplanetary psi affairs and protect lesser worlds like 
Earth where defenses against alien attacks and visits is not so strong. 

Tricia stayed on to train or something and join the Council? 

Carol married an Andonesian or something, described as chirping like a bird, 
possibly an angelic or birdlike being. They even have a son in one of the 
later books, I think he's named Nova?

Liz was an ambassador in WAR OF THE EMPIRES and she was in peace talks 
between the Sorsons and the Thargons (and not very effective I might add).

The Sorsons left Earth to the Thargons, who were fooled by the TP illusions.

I also seem to remember something about...the Thargons blasting the Moon? Or 
the Moonbase? I'm not sure but the whole Moon might be gone? Or just the base 
there? Or maybe they blasted Pluto? Of that I would have to check.

The US President is aware of the Tp and the President before him was aware 
and actually met them (or so the US Pres said). The Pres in the WOE seemed to be 
a Carter clone so I would imagine before him would have been a Ford 
type----and this is clear in one of the short stories in one of the novels--the 
Jedikiah story has the US president in it and he is somewhat fond of the TP I 
believe. So they've known about the Tp for some time. The Pres is armed against Tp 
thanks to the Sorsons, who leave after Morgan and some Tp steal a ship and 
destroy a Sorson craft. 

What else? Uhm, dont' know. Morgan also blows up an empty dome on the Trig.  

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From: Wendy Perkins <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: TPDIS: ADMIN: Vacation
Date: 02 Aug 2004 15:09:33 -0500

I'm going to be on vacation, and thus offline, from this afternoon (Aug
2nd) until about Aug 12th. I may have spotty email access, but as it's
unpredictable at best, if anyone has any questions or problems, please ask
Beth (tptigger42@earthlink.net) or Shaun (drednort@alphalink.com.au).

Thanks!

...
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From: "Peter Kirk" <ipnpen311@comcast.net>
Subject: TPDIS: RE: TPFICT: ADMIN: Vacation
Date: 02 Aug 2004 16:24:22 -0400

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Subject: TPDIS: RE: TPFICT: ADMIN: Vacation
Date: 02 Aug 2004 16:28:51 -0400

Sorry group, that was supposed to be sent to her private email off list.

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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Request for Spoilers (no real spoilers :-)
Date: 02 Aug 2004 23:18:07 -0700 (PDT)

Jasmine Sadrieh said:
> Stephen and Tyso disappear in the fifth
> season and on the TV show there is no explanation given and they are never
> mentioned again (unlike Carol and Kenny and even Tricia, who go to the
> Trig and fall in love with ambassadors and offer sartorial advice to
> Timus, etc.)  Does anyone know why that is?  (I mean why is it never
> explained from a story point of view--I know PVC said he was fired because
> he couldn't act--as a child I thought perhaps they had sacked him for
> growing too tall...)

As I understand it, the decision to drop Stephen and Tyso was forced on
Roger Price, so he simply refused to "justify" their disappearance in the
series as was done for other departing characters.

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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Roger, Stephen, Tyso
Date: 03 Aug 2004 06:45:05 -0700 (PDT)

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That's interesting, although it's kind of an odd way to protest.  On the DVD commentary for "Into the Unknown", both Nicholas Young and Mike Holoway talk as if it was Roger Price's decision to drop them.  I wish they hadn't; I liked both characters.  But maybe that's why "The Dirtiest Business" is such a bleak story; Roger was in a bad mood...
 
-Jasmine
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series as was done for other departing characters.

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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Jasmine</DIV>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger, Stephen, Tyso
Date: 03 Aug 2004 15:20:29 +0100

Philip was the one who knew Roger best, and he never mentioned to me that
Roger was forced to drop them from the show. He did say that it was
unfortunate how, immediately after being dropped, the studio turned against
them, refusing them entry to the rehearsals etc. I guess this is something
that only Roger himself could answer... along with the dozen or so other
burning questions we're all dying to ask him ;-)

Jackie


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> That's interesting, although it's kind of an odd way to protest.  On the
DVD commentary for "Into the Unknown", both Nicholas Young and Mike Holoway
talk as if it was Roger Price's decision to drop them.  I wish they hadn't;
I liked both characters.  But maybe that's why "The Dirtiest Business" is
such a bleak story; Roger was in a bad mood...
>
> -Jasmine
> As I understand it, the decision to drop Stephen and Tyso was forced on
> Roger Price, so he simply refused to "justify" their disappearance in the
> series as was done for other departing characters.
>
> George
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>
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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger, Stephen, Tyso
Date: 03 Aug 2004 07:34:02 -0700 (PDT)

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Yes, you need to get an interview with Roger Price for your website!  I hear he's hiding out in Canada somewhere.
 
-Jasmine

Jackie Clark <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Philip was the one who knew Roger best, and he never mentioned to me that
Roger was forced to drop them from the show. He did say that it was
unfortunate how, immediately after being dropped, the studio turned against
them, refusing them entry to the rehearsals etc. I guess this is something
that only Roger himself could answer... along with the dozen or so other
burning questions we're all dying to ask him ;-)

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<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>Jackie Clark &lt;Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Philip was the one who knew Roger best, and he never mentioned to me that<BR>Roger was forced to drop them from the show. He did say that it was<BR>unfortunate how, immediately after being dropped, the studio turned against<BR>them, refusing them entry to the rehearsals etc. I guess this is something<BR>that only Roger himself could answer... along with the dozen or so other<BR>burning questions we're all dying to ask him ;-)<BR><BR>Jackie<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger, Stephen, Tyso
Date: 03 Aug 2004 10:59:12 EDT


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In a message dated 8/3/04 9:45:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> Roger Price's decision to drop them.  I wish they hadn't; I liked both 
> characters.  But maybe that's why "The Dirtiest Business" is such a bleak story; 
> Roger was in a bad mood...
>  
> 

To me it sounds like Roger was forced to get rid of them and that the actors 
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger, Stephen, Tyso
Date: 03 Aug 2004 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT)

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I don't know what Dean Lawrence thought (because he's not there), but on the DVD commentaries it's actually the actors who weren't dropped--Nicholas Young and Michael Holoway--who seem to be holding Roger responsible.  Nick says something about Roger being "ruthless", and Mike says something about Roger knowing what decisions to make about cutting down the cast (that's not an exact quote, but he said something like that).  PVC mainly just contemplates his doom... 
 
-Jasmine

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<DIV>I don't know what Dean Lawrence thought (because he's not there), but on the DVD commentaries it's actually the actors who <EM>weren't </EM>dropped--Nicholas Young and Michael Holoway--who seem to be holding Roger responsible.&nbsp; Nick says something about Roger being "ruthless", and Mike says something about&nbsp;Roger knowing what decisions to make about cutting down the cast (that's not an exact quote, but he said something like that).&nbsp; PVC&nbsp;mainly just contemplates his doom...&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "Jawzi" <mail@adjawzi.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - no  spoilers
Date: 03 Aug 2004 19:31:36 +0100

Yes, I have listened to 'Alone.' And I liked it! I intend writing a review,
but want to listen to the CD again first before committing my thoughts to
print.

Anyta.


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> Has anyone else listened to 'Alone' who can write a short review? With
> suitable spoiler space, of course! I can't be the only person on the list
to
> have received a copy since last week? I'm beginning to wonder whether you
> all hate it as much as I like it?  lol.
>
> Jackie (who's planning some web page updates.)
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From:     Samantha Wilkinson <sam_wilkinson@operamail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - no  spoilers
Date: 03 Aug 2004 17:26:01 -0400

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:38:22 +0100, Jackie Clark wrote:
> Has anyone else listened to 'Alone' who can write a short review? 
With
> suitable spoiler space, of course! I can't be the only person on the 
list to
> have received a copy since last week? I'm beginning to wonder 
whether you
> all hate it as much as I like it?  lol.
> 

I keep checking my mailbox hopefully each day, but it has yet to 
arrive. Speed of shipping to the US seems to vary wildly. Sometimes 
I'll get BF CDs around the same time the UK folk do, and other times 
there's a week or so delay.

I want my Alone *now*.

Sam




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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - no  spoilers
Date: 03 Aug 2004 17:45:17 EDT


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I did get it and listened to part one but I wasn't really payinjg attention, 
too much to do so I relistened to the first ten minutes in the car. It's 
really clever thus far! :)


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From: Mark Baker-Wright <gbblackrock@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - no  spoilers
Date: 04 Aug 2004 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT)

Likewise, I'm in the US, and expect that my CD is just taking a bit longer to reach me...

Mark Baker-Wright

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I keep checking my mailbox hopefully each day, but it has yet to
arrive. Speed of shipping to the US seems to vary wildly. Sometimes
I'll get BF CDs around the same time the UK folk do, and other times
there's a week or so delay.

I want my Alone *now*.

Sam





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From: "E.R. Stanway" <ers24@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 04 Aug 2004 20:02:31 +0100 (BST)


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Well, I hope that's enough spoiler space!

I've listened to Alone a few times now (and I really should have been 
doing other things!). I thought it was excellent :-)

I suspect that I'm in a bit of a minority as I like all of the Big Finish 
CDs (including Deadliest Species, although that upset me at first). 
Nonetheless, I think this is probably the best so far.  It stands alone 
very well as a story but also has a number of pleasing continuity 
references - including to the ever more mysterious arc plot that Big 
Finish seem to have going on.

I liked the way the story began with John and the doctor. While it was 
obvious to us that John wasn't insane, starting the story from that point 
of view really made it clear how he could believe that he was.

Like Jackie, I found it difficult to stay detached when John, asked how he 
felt, came up with just one word: alone.

In fact the whole piece worked well at keeping you focused on the sitation 
emotionally, and the chaotic and frightening build up to the end of the 
first episode was breathtaking.

The plot made sense - albeit with a bit of a stretch of credulity right at 
the end. The physicist in me has to wonder how the rocks being radioactive 
would be involved in the signalling device, or why the radioactivity 
should 'dissipate naturally' if it was working. I also wondered what 
happened to the hill when the mother ship came to collect the original 
spaceship. Did it collapse? Or did they leave the ship there and if so how 
was it guarded? It was interesting to see how telepathy and bad 
experiences could combine to affect the mental health of the new breakout, 
though.

I also liked the fact that Paul didn't seem to be playing up to his 'new 
boy' role any more.  In the last few CDs he's been the sceptical and 
occasionally childish voice.  In this one he seemed to be a settled member 
of the team - and after two years you would hope so too.

Anyway, as you probably gathered I did very much enjoy this one.  I do 
have some questions though:

Why did John not hear the voice?  Or was it more surprising that Elena 
did? Are we seeing a dulling of John's abilities or an enhancement of 
Elena's (especially when you consider this alongside A New Atlantis)?

I was intrigued by John's speculation (which he wouldn't share with Elena) 
about the nature of the voice.  Was this a reference to the voices that 
have been plaguing him lately? And if so, are these the Mendez essences? I 
was a little curious that the two times we've heard a giggling voice only 
John could hear have been in graveyards (In Diolyx and at the end of a New 
Atlantis.) I found myself wondering if the recent graves have stones 
carved of alpine rock!

Why did Paul see the boy, Andrew Coll, as an alien in the dream? This 
might just be a throwaway line but in these CDs that would be a rarity, 
more likely a hint for a later story.

And like Jackie, I want to know if John really did have a brother.  If he 
saw an image of him in the tunnel then that was *before* he was hooked up 
to the dream machine.  But if the brother was real it seems odd to 
introduce the concept here.  Why not use something in the BF continuity 
(like the 'death' of John's friend Georgie) instead?

Anyway, I've rambled on for long enough.  I just thought I'd share some of 
the idle thoughts that have been distracting me this week!

Elizabeth

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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Jackie Clark wrote:

> Has anyone else listened to 'Alone' who can write a short review? With
> suitable spoiler space, of course! I can't be the only person on the list to
> have received a copy since last week? I'm beginning to wonder whether you
> all hate it as much as I like it?  lol.
>
> Jackie (who's planning some web page updates.)
> --------
> May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled
>             Traditional Manyarnern Greeting
>
> www.The-Tomorrow-People.co.uk
>
>
>
>



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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 06 Aug 2004 08:58:03 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
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I liked ALONE better than I thought I would. I found that India Fisher, while 
a great actress for these audios, distracted me a lot. I think she's fine but 
I kept thinking she was Charley from Doctor Who and it well felt kind of 
werid. I kept thinking the 7th or 8th Doctor was going to turn up and say this was 
all a plot of some kind. Anyway that aside, I liked the story. It kept me 
fairly interested. While on DW, can they please make up their mind if the DW and 
TP universe is in the same one or not? In one of the first TP audios there was 
something on the newscast that linked to DW's SPECTRE OF LANYOON MOOR but I 
supposed it could have that the moor was closed off for some other reason than 
an murderous alien imp being there. I also don't like references to other tv 
show universes being just tv shows. Make up your own tv shows to reference 
Doctor  What or something and that can leave open the option. Then again, DW the 
TV show might be something that happens in another universe. Off topic.

Another annoying thing is naming characters the same names of characters from 
the TV show: we have Paul (DOOMSDAY MEN), and in this Robert (BLUE AND GREEN) 
and  Andrew (Andrew Forbes). I was suprised that Tereace wasn't named Liz and 
that her son Nat wasn't named something like Mike or Tyso or Trig, Trog, 
Kwann, or Douglas!

Anyway the story was moody, moving, and intelligent (thank goodness this 
time). It mixed aliens with illusions in a good way. I wasn't sure at some points 
what was happening but that was when the action told the story (Paul's dream I 
think it was) and the cliffhangers were really exciting. The village was 
mysterious and well played out and Terace made a good ally. 

Unfortunately I still have the last few min to listen to. But I liked this 
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Since someone in the story says "this is like something out of Dr. Who", I think Dr. Who is just a TV show in the TP universe.  I honestly think it's easier that way.  You can't compel someone to be a fan of both shows (I never watched Dr. Who much beyond the Tom Baker episodes...but then I think I tend to get attached to a character and then give up when he leaves).
 
I did get confused because the character was called Robert, and his voice sounded something like Robert in the Blue and the Green, and he had made all of these paintings of alien worlds.  At one point I was thinking "wait..is that..no.."  
 
Ok.  I should be working...
 
-Jasmine

Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:

I liked ALONE better than I thought I would. I found that India Fisher, while a great actress for these audios, distracted me a lot. I think she's fine but I kept thinking she was Charley from Doctor Who and it well felt kind of werid. I kept thinking the 7th or 8th Doctor was going to turn up and say this was all a plot of some kind. Anyway that aside, I liked the story. It kept me fairly interested. While on DW, can they please make up their mind if the DW and TP universe is in the same one or not? In one of the first TP audios there was something on the newscast that linked to DW's SPECTRE OF LANYOON MOOR but I supposed it could have that the moor was closed off for some other reason than an murderous alien imp being there. I also don't like references to other tv show universes being just tv shows. Make up your own tv shows to reference Doctor  What or something and that can leave open the option. Then again, DW the TV show might be something that happens in another universe. Off
 topic. 

Another annoying thing is naming characters the same names of characters from the TV show: we have Paul (DOOMSDAY MEN), and in this Robert (BLUE AND GREEN) and  Andrew (Andrew Forbes). I was suprised that Tereace wasn't named Liz and that her son Nat wasn't named something like Mike or Tyso or Trig, Trog, Kwann, or Douglas! 


		
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 06 Aug 2004 14:55:17 EDT


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In a message dated 8/6/04 2:52:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> Robert, and his voice sounded something like Robert in the Blue and the 
> Green, and he had made all of these paintings of alien worlds.  At one point I 
> was thinking "wait..is that..no.."  
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yes I thought this too, I think they were deliberately doing that (maybe?). 
Anyway I forgotto put that in my review.

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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 06 Aug 2004 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT)

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Of course, alternately you could say they were continuing a behind-the-scenes tradition started by Roger Price.  After all, in "The Medusa Strain", you had Stephen playing the part of Kenny, Peter playing the part of Stephen, and Richard playing the part of Peter... 

Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/6/04 2:52:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmsadrieh@yahoo.com writes: 


Robert, and his voice sounded something like Robert in the Blue and the Green, and he had made all of these paintings of alien worlds.  At one point I was thinking "wait..is that..no.."   



yes I thought this too, I think they were deliberately doing that (maybe?). Anyway I forgotto put that in my review. 

		
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">Robert, and his voice sounded something like Robert in the Blue and the Green, and he had made all of these paintings of alien worlds. &nbsp;At one point I was thinking "wait..is that..no.." &nbsp; <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"><BR>yes I thought this too, I think they were deliberately doing that (maybe?). Anyway I forgotto put that in my review.</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT><p>
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 06 Aug 2004 15:04:44 EDT


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> Of course, alternately you could say they were continuing a 
> behind-the-scenes tradition started by Roger Price.  After all, in "The Medusa Strain", you 
> had Stephen playing the part of Kenny, Peter playing the part of Stephen, and 
> Richard playing the part of Peter... 
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I don;'t see what that has to do with it :). Also the paintings were seen by 
Elena who said that the colors were wrong...what was that about????

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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 06 Aug 2004 12:52:51 -0700 (PDT)

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>I don;'t see what that has to do with it :). 
 
Well, it was confusing.  And it involved names.
 
>Also the paintings were seen by Elena who said that the colors were wrong...what was >that about???? 
 
I don't know!  I've never been to any of those planets!  :-)
 
 

		
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From: Mark Baker-Wright <gbblackrock@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 06 Aug 2004 13:46:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

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One thing I thought was odd, yet no one seems to have mentioned...  Back when Stephen broke the "Prime Barrier" and killed someone, everyone was furious at BF's blatant ignorance/rejection of continuity.  It sure sounded to me like Robert, while not killing anyone (unless we count TIM...) was definitely able to cause direct harm with his powers.  Shouldn't he have been unable to do this?

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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 07 Aug 2004 08:39:57 +1000

On 6 Aug 2004 at 13:46, Mark Baker-Wright wrote:

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> Back when Stephen broke the "Prime Barrier" and killed someone,
> everyone was furious at BF's blatant ignorance/rejection of
> continuity.  It sure sounded to me like Robert, while not killing
> anyone (unless we count TIM...) was definitely able to cause direct
> harm with his powers.  Shouldn't he have been unable to do this? 

I haven't heard Alone, and probably won't for a while, but, I want 
to weigh in here.

There is really nothing in the original series that says the 
Tomorrow People can't hurt people. The Prime Barrier refers to only 
one thing - their inability to kill. We're not told that the 
Tomorrow People can't hurt other people, we're not told that the 
Tomorrow People can't cause direct harm to others. Some people seem 
to have taken the inability to kill, as if it's an indication that 
the Tomorrow People are inherently incapable of violence - well, 
that's not so, as shown in the series.

The TP we are shown are fairly peaceful people, and it may be that 
they are more prone to being peaceful and non-violent than the 
Saps. But it's certainly not absolute. Stephen is perfectly capable 
of using a sword in the Dirtiest Business - he can't kill with it, 
and I'm sure he was doing his best to avoid injuring anyone - but 
he was certainly able to use a weapon which always involves some 
risk of injury (even if you're good with it). John in 'A Man for 
Emily' spanks Emily - not serious violence, but certainly not 
completely non-violent.

More notably, in Hitler's Last Secret, John puts down one of the 
neo-Nazi's in quite a painful fashion. Again, it's not serious 
violence - but there's nothing stopping him from hurting someone.

The Prime Barrier stops Tomorrow People from deliberately killing 
someone. It probably stops them from engaging in activity that has 
a high probability of causing death, IMHO. But it doesn't stop them 
from hurting people.




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facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 06 Aug 2004 19:05:36 EDT


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In a message dated 8/6/04 6:43:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> There is really nothing in the original series that says the 
> Tomorrow People can't hurt people. 

Uh, I don't think this is right. 

<<<<Tomorrow People can't cause direct harm to others>>>>>

I'm not sure that this was not not said either? Or something.

I do know we saw that John did do harm to at least one person. 

<<<<omorrow People are inherently incapable of violence >>>>

John tells Robert in BLUE AND GREEN, "The TP have no violent energy."  I 
guess he could be lying.

<<<<<<<he can't kill with it, 
and I'm sure he was doing his best to avoid injuring anyone>>>>>>>>>>>.

"Oh I didn't hurt them..."

<<<<<But it doesn't stop them 
from hurting people.>>>>>>>>>>>>

As in all things Irwin Allen, Doctor Who, Gerry Anderson's UFO and Space: 
1999, there are no clear cut answers to the Tp and especially not this issue. 
Most of what you said made sense and seems true but there are (I'd have to 
reallly go seek them out) instances of direct evidence against what you said. I'm 
sure someone once said that the Tp aren't even capable of hurting people or do 
anything that would lead to someone getting HURT. 
 

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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: General discussion - no spoilers
Date: 07 Aug 2004 09:30:33 +1000

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We've moved into a general discussion here, so there's no need for 
spoiler space at the moment - just people should remember, if we 
start bringing the latest CDs back into the discussion again, for 
any reason, remember to reintroduce spoiler space.

On 6 Aug 2004 at 19:05, Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/6/04 6:43:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, drednort@alphalink.com.au 
> writes: 
> 
>     There is really nothing in the original series that says the 
>     Tomorrow People can't hurt people. 
> 
> 
> Uh, I don't think this is right. 

Well, I do. (-8

It's possible I'm wrong, certainly. But I've looked at this quite a 
few times over the years, and have found nothing in many, many 
viewings to change my mind.
 
> <<<<Tomorrow People can't cause direct harm to others>>>>>

Because people who've been avoiding spoilers, will not have seen 
what was actually said, just let me paste in the actual whole 
sentence here, again: (unfortunately, in both cases, the first part 
of the sentence wound up on the end of lines, and without those 
words the statement is considerably altered. Snipping is a very 
good idea - but it's a somewhat unusual case when you're coming out 
of a spoiler situation into the clear).

//we're not told that the Tomorrow People can't cause direct 
harm to others//

> I'm not sure that this was not not said either? Or something. 
> 
> I do know we saw that John did do harm to at least one person. 

There are some lines, that seem to come close to saying this - but 
none are that clear, IMHO.

> <<<<omorrow People are inherently incapable of violence >>>> > 

//Some people seem to have taken the inability to kill, as if 
it's an indication that the  Tomorrow People are inherently 
incapable of violence - well, that's not so, as shown in the 
series.//

> John tells Robert in BLUE AND GREEN, "The TP have no violent 
> energy." I guess he could be lying.

I don't think he's lying - I just think people can read way too 
much into that statement. To me, there's a *huge* amount of 
difference between having some sort of special 'violent energy' and 
being completely incapable of violence. The existence of violent 
energy would seem to be a fairly extreme case. We are given 
indications in the series, IIRC, that Saps are unusually prone to 
violence by galactic standards.

> As in all things Irwin Allen, Doctor Who, Gerry Anderson's UFO 
> and Space: 1999, there are no clear cut answers to the Tp and 
> especially not this issue. Most of what you said made sense and 
> seems true but there are (I'd have to reallly go seek them out)
> instances of direct evidence against what you said. I'm sure
> someone once said that the Tp aren't even capable of hurting 
> people or do anything that would lead to someone getting HURT.   

I can't remember any such statement - but that doesn't mean it 
doesn't exist. If you come across it (or anyone else can remember 
such), I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.

But even if it exists, unless it's broad enough to allow the 
actions seen on the series - especially John's in Hitler's Last 
Secret, which I personally think is the most relevant here - I'd be 
inclined to assume it was someone exagerating, or oversimplifying.



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia

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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">We've moved into a general discussion here, so there's no need for 
spoiler space at the moment - just people should remember, if we 
start bringing the latest CDs back into the discussion again, for 
any reason, remember to reintroduce spoiler space.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">On 6 Aug 2004 at 19:05, Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; In a message dated 8/6/04 6:43:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, drednort@alphalink.com.au </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; writes: </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; There is really nothing in the original series that says the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Tomorrow People can't hurt people. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; Uh, I don't think this is right. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">Well, I do. (-8</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">It's possible I'm wrong, certainly. But I've looked at this quite a 
few times over the years, and have found nothing in many, many 
viewings to change my mind.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;Tomorrow People can't cause direct harm to others&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">Because people who've been avoiding spoilers, will not have seen 
what was actually said, just let me paste in the actual whole 
sentence here, again: (unfortunately, in both cases, the first part 
of the sentence wound up on the end of lines, and without those 
words the statement is considerably altered. Snipping is a very 
good idea - but it's a somewhat unusual case when you're coming out 
of a spoiler situation into the clear).</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">//we're not told that the Tomorrow People can't cause direct 
harm to others//</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; I'm not sure that this was not not said either? Or something. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; I do know we saw that John did do harm to at least one person. </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">There are some lines, that seem to come close to saying this - but 
none are that clear, IMHO.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;omorrow People are inherently incapable of violence &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">//</span></font><font face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">Some people seem to have taken the 
inability to kill, as if 
it's an indication that the&#160; Tomorrow People are inherently 
incapable of violence - well, that's not so, as shown in the 
series.//</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; John tells Robert in BLUE AND GREEN, &quot;The TP have no violent </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; energy.&quot; I guess he could be lying.</span></font></div>
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</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">I don't think he's lying - I just think people can read way too 
much into that statement. To me, there's a *huge* amount of 
difference between having some sort of special 'violent energy' and 
being completely incapable of violence. The existence of violent 
energy would seem to be a fairly extreme case. We are given 
indications in the series, IIRC, that Saps are unusually prone to 
violence by galactic standards.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; As in all things Irwin Allen, Doctor Who, Gerry Anderson's UFO </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; and Space: 1999, there are no clear cut answers to the Tp and </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; especially not this issue. Most of what you said made sense and </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; seems true but there are (I'd have to reallly go seek them out)</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; instances of direct evidence against what you said. I'm sure</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; someone once said that the Tp aren't even capable of hurting </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">&gt; people or do anything that would lead to someone getting HURT.&#160;&#160; </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
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<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">I can't remember any such statement - but that doesn't mean it 
doesn't exist. If you come across it (or anyone else can remember 
such), I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/>
</div>
<div align="left"><font face="Courier"><span style="font-size:10pt">But even if it exists, unless it's broad enough to allow the 
actions seen on the series - especially John's in Hitler's Last 
Secret, which I personally think is the most relevant here - I'd be 
inclined to assume it was someone exagerating, or oversimplifying.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><br/></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">(ISTJ)&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; | </span></font><font face="Arial" color="#008000"><span style="font-size:10pt"><u>drednort@alphalink.com.au</u></span></font><font 
face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt"> | ICQ: 6898200 </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">&quot;You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">need altering.&quot; The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia</span></font></div>
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From: Beth E. <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: TPDIS: Admin: Spoiler Space Reminder
Date: 06 Aug 2004 21:25:05 -0500

I've just been reminded that some mail browsers (the popular gmail for 
example) will trim blank spaces.  As such, please remember to put 
actual words in your spoiler space (at least 12 lines).  The word 
"spoiler" is acceptable, but if someone has Shaun's ASCII art (Hey, 
Shaun, I lost it can you please repost?), that would be ideal as it 
appeals to one's asthetic sense a little more.

(Or you can always do what I do and put a non-spoilery sentence in 
there...)
Beth
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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Admin: Spoiler Space Reminder
Date: 07 Aug 2004 12:29:35 +1000

On 6 Aug 2004 at 21:25, Beth E. wrote:

> I've just been reminded that some mail browsers (the popular gmail for 
> example) will trim blank spaces.  As such, please remember to put 
> actual words in your spoiler space (at least 12 lines).  The word 
> "spoiler" is acceptable, but if someone has Shaun's ASCII art (Hey, 
> Shaun, I lost it can you please repost?), that would be ideal as it 
> appeals to one's asthetic sense a little more.

Here 'tis

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  @SPOILERS@WARNING@SPOILERS@      @CARE@    @THE@@@@@@
  @SPOILERS@WARNING@SPOILERS@      PLEASE    @@PRIME@@@@
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             PLLLLP                @FANS@            @USE@@
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             EAAAAE                @@BE@@           @@YOU@@
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             SEEEES                @@STUN THE SPOILERS!@@
             E@@@@E                @PEOPLE WHO SPOIL@@@@
             @DDDD@                @ARE@THE@MINIONS@@@@
             DOOOOD                @@OF JEDEKIAH@@@@@
             O@@@@O                @HAIL@
             NNNNNN                @@TO@@
             TOOOOT                @BIG@@
             @TTTT@                FINISH
             S@@@@S                @MANY@
             PSSSSP                @@TP@@
             OPPPPO                @FANS@
             IOOOOI                @WILL@
             LIIIIL                @@BE@@
              LLLL                  GLAD


                                                      
Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




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From: ian_veal@lineone.net
Subject: RE: TPDIS: DVD boxset
Date: 07 Aug 2004 10:18:19 +0100

.....and let's hope they've learnt from their customer feedback that we
very reasonably expect delivery around that date too.

Ian.



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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 07 Aug 2004 14:11:56 -0700 (PDT)

Mark Baker-Wright said:
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> One thing I thought was odd, yet no one seems to have mentioned...  Back
> when Stephen broke the "Prime Barrier" and killed someone, everyone was
> furious at BF's blatant ignorance/rejection of continuity.  It sure
> sounded to me like Robert, while not killing anyone (unless we count
> TIM...) was definitely able to cause direct harm with his powers.
> Shouldn't he have been unable to do this?

I don't think the Prime Barrier stretches that far; my impression was that
he was causing them psychic pain -- rather like screaming in someone's ear
-- trying to drive them away. His threats of killing them may have just
been along the same lines -- he may not have actually been capable of
doing so.

Also, keep in mind that he was mentally disturbed and somehow convinced
the other TPs were trying to hurt him. The Prime Barrier just stops
deliberate killing, and I would imagine anything that would carry a high
probability of killing someone. I don't think it would block causing an
"enemy" some pain to try and drive them off.

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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 07 Aug 2004 18:29:00 EDT


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On 6 Aug 2004 at 21:25, Beth E. wrote:

> I've just been reminded that some mail browsers (the popular gmail for 
> example) will trim blank spaces.  As such, please remember to put 
> actual words in your spoiler space (at least 12 lines).  The word 
> "spoiler" is acceptable, but if someone has Shaun's ASCII art (Hey, 
> Shaun, I lost it can you please repost?), that would be ideal as it 
> appeals to one's asthetic sense a little more.

Here 'tis

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             ASSSSA      @GLAD@          @SPOIL@
             SEEEES                @@STUN THE SPOILERS!@@
             E@@@@E                @PEOPLE WHO SPOIL@@@@
  @DDDD@                @ARE@THE@MINIONS@@@@
             DOOOOD    @@OF JEDEKIAH@@@@@
             O@@@@O                @HAIL@
  NNNNNN                @@TO@@
             TOOOOT                @BIG@@
             @TTTT@                FINISH
             S@@@@S      @MANY@
             PSSSSP                @@TP@@
             OPPPPO                @FANS@
             IOOOOI                @WILL@
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         My big thing is this: the structure of the story was thus that I was 
totally confused. First, John is in a therapist's office and then he's what? 
Telling the story of how he got there and how the truth was really what? Then 
we have john and Elena investigating....when did the story stop being John 
telling the story? And then we have Robert...

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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: Mike's breakout was...
Date: 07 Aug 2004 18:30:55 EDT


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I hope I don't need the spoiler space for this!

Mike broke out in the book while in Dunning's basement being held prisoner by 
the guard. He broke out in front of his mother and sister. This was after he 
had some considerable powers already!

He also jaunts to save a girl from being run over by a car (Dunning's I think 
it was). I am not sure but I think this comes after his breakout and before 
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er by the guard. He broke out in front of his mother and sister. This was af=
ter he had some considerable powers already!
<BR>
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From: Beth E. <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mike's breakout was...
Date: 07 Aug 2004 18:17:09 -0500


On Saturday, August 7, 2004, at 05:30 PM, Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:

> I hope I don't need the spoiler space for this!

A topic is considered a spoiler for six months after the original=20
release date.  Since this would be the actual *airing* date-- that is=20
1977ish, you're well past that.

If a miracle occurs and we really do celebrate the 10th anniversary of=20=

this list with new episodes, this rule may have to change to adjust for=20=

overseas airing schedules (overseas=3D countries other than the one it's=20=

originating in.  Hopefully the UK.)

>
> Mike broke out in the book while in Dunning's basement being held=20
> prisoner by the guard. He broke out in front of his mother and sister.=20=

> This was after he had some considerable powers already!

Mike didn't have a break out in the traditional=20
I'm-hearing-so-many-voices-I'm-having-fits sense.  IIRC, he just uses=20
his TK until Tyso and Stephen start training him.

I think he broke out fully while the others were away--and his powers=20
other than TK thankfully didn't manifest until after he was being=20
trained.  There's the girl soldier mentioned in (I think) both One Law=20=

and Secret Weapon who disappeared into thin air and never reappeared. =20=

Presumably pulling a Liz and completing half a jaunt.
>

> He also jaunts to save a girl from being run over by a car (Dunning's=20=

> I think it was). I am not sure but I think this comes after his=20
> breakout and before or during his training by Stephen. =A0=A0

*blinks*

OK, it's been awhile since I watched ONe Law (like just after the DVD=20
showed up), but I don't remember this scene at all.
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mike's breakout was...
Date: 07 Aug 2004 20:03:38 EDT


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In a message dated 8/7/04 7:17:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tptigger42@earthlink.net writes:


> Mike didn't have a break out in the traditional 
> I'm-hearing-so-many-voices-I'm-having-fits sense.  

he did in the book

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<BR>
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mike's breakout was...
Date: 07 Aug 2004 20:04:26 EDT


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In a message dated 8/7/04 7:17:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tptigger42@earthlink.net writes:


> out in the book 

in the novel!

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es:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">out in the book </FONT><FON=
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From: Marcell <elsegood73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mike's breakout was...
Date: 07 Aug 2004 17:38:37 -0700 (PDT)

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It depends, really, doesn't it?  In most fiction, the novelisation of a work, while fun and full of conjecture, doesn't have to be accepted as cannon.  However, if One Law began as a book that was adapted to a screenplay (or you have evidence of Price's original, rough draft script), then Mike's "full" breakout applies.  Otherwise, I don't believe, personally, that adaptations and novelisations count in the end.  Sorry!

Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/7/04 7:17:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tptigger42@earthlink.net writes: 


out in the book 

in the novel! 

		
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<DIV>It depends, really, doesn't it?&nbsp; In most fiction, the novelisation of a work, while fun and full of conjecture, doesn't have to be accepted as cannon.&nbsp; However, if One Law began as a book that was adapted to a screenplay (or you have evidence of Price's original, rough draft script), then Mike's "full" breakout applies.&nbsp; Otherwise, I don't believe, personally, that adaptations and novelisations count in the end.&nbsp; Sorry!<BR><BR><B><I>Steveburton612@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2 PTSIZE="10">In a message dated 8/7/04 7:17:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tptigger42@earthlink.net writes: <BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">out in the book </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"><BR>in the novel!</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT><p>
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mike's breakout was...
Date: 07 Aug 2004 20:49:59 EDT


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In a message dated 8/7/04 8:39:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
elsegood73@yahoo.com writes:


> It depends, really, doesn't it?  In most fiction, the novelisation of a 
> work, while fun and full of conjecture, doesn't have to be accepted as cannon.  
> However, if One Law began as a book that was adapted to a screenplay (or you 
> have evidence of Price's original, rough draft script), then Mike's "full" 
> breakout applies.  Otherwise, I don't believe, personally, that adaptations and 
> novelisations count in the end.  Sorry!
> 
> 

Your choice, however it was Price who wrote it and there was no televised 
breakout for Mike.

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<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
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f conjecture, doesn't have to be accepted as cannon. &nbsp;However, if One L=
aw began as a book that was adapted to a screenplay (or you have evidence of=
 Price's original, rough draft script), then Mike's "full" breakout applies.=
 &nbsp;Otherwise, I don't believe, personally, that adaptations and novelisa=
tions count in the end. &nbsp;Sorry!
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Mike's breakout was...
Date: 08 Aug 2004 12:36:02 +1000

On 7 Aug 2004 at 17:38, Marcell wrote:

> 
> It depends, really, doesn't it? In most fiction, the novelisation of a work, 
> while fun and full of conjecture, doesn't have to be accepted as cannon. 
> However, if One Law began as a book that was adapted to a screenplay (or you 
> have evidence of Price's original, rough draft script), then Mike's "full" 
> breakout applies. Otherwise, I don't believe, personally, that adaptations and 
> novelisations count in the end. Sorry!

My view has always been to treat the TV episodes as canon 
absolutely, and then to use the novels as canon in cases where they 
do not contradict the TV episodes and can be made to fit into that 
context.

Sometimes you can't resolve discrepancies, but sometimes things can 
be fitted in quite well.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
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thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Alone - spoiler warning!
Date: 08 Aug 2004 05:28:22 -0700 (PDT)

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It was "A Rift in Time"--Stephen slices a Roman gladiator on the leg.  In "The Dirtiest Business", Mike indirectly gets a Russian girl killed, but I'm guessing dangerous stupidity doesn't count...
 
-Jasmine

Shaun Hately <drednort@alphalink.com.au> wrote:

Saps. But it's certainly not absolute. Stephen is perfectly capable 
of using a sword in the Dirtiest Business - he can't kill with it, 
and I'm sure he was doing his best to avoid injuring anyone - but 
he was certainly able to use a weapon which always involves some 
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<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>Shaun Hately &lt;drednort@alphalink.com.au&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: DVD boxset
Date: 08 Aug 2004 06:20:10 -0700 (PDT)


I got my Series 4&5 Box Set from
BlackstarUK/SendIt.com about a week ago.  I finally
got around to watching all of it.

(Spoilers for the commentaries)

The commentaries were a hoot.  PVC commenting on his
imminent demise.  Mike Holloway seems like a nice guy,
but he came off as a bit dim to me.  There were times
where his comments just seemed out of nowhere.  Still
it was amusing, especially when hearing on the
commentary that the actors found Into the Unknown as
dreadfully boring as the rest of us. :-)

And it was neat to hear them talk about Jackie when
they got stumped on a TP trivia question!  And a
couple of refs to the 30th Anniversary Dinner.  It was
very neat.

Can't wait for the final set - but I guess I'll have
to wait at least 6 months after MVC releases it
anyway. :-(

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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: DVD boxset
Date: 10 Aug 2004 06:35:42 -0700 (PDT)

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The commentaries were very funny, although I missed Nicholas Briggs.  I'm sentimental.  Mike talked about his band a little bit too much, but this is a common affliction amongst people in bands.  I thought the 5th season was interesting and very dark (and the attempts at lighthearted moments seemed forced), and probably better than the 4th, although the commentaries went downhill after Peter left.  Nick seemed lonely without him.
 
If anyone buys the last boxed set right when it comes out and could post a review of the episodes themselves (I don't remember them) or the special features or both, I'd appreciate it.  thanks.
 
-Jasmine

Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com> wrote:

I got my Series 4&5 Box Set from
BlackstarUK/SendIt.com about a week ago. I finally
got around to watching all of it.

(Spoilers for the commentaries)

The commentaries were a hoot. PVC commenting on his
imminent demise. Mike Holloway seems like a nice guy,
but he came off as a bit dim to me. There were times
where his comments just seemed out of nowhere. Still
it was amusing, especially when hearing on the
commentary that the actors found Into the Unknown as
dreadfully boring as the rest of us. :-)


		
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<DIV>The commentaries were very funny, although I missed Nicholas Briggs.&nbsp; I'm sentimental.&nbsp; Mike talked about his band a little bit too much, but this is a common affliction amongst people in bands.&nbsp; I thought the 5th season was interesting and very dark (and the attempts at lighthearted moments seemed forced), and probably better than the 4th, although the commentaries went downhill after&nbsp;Peter left.&nbsp; Nick seemed lonely without him.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If anyone buys the last boxed set right when it comes out and could post a review of the episodes themselves (I don't remember them) or the special features or both, I'd appreciate it.&nbsp; thanks.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>Michael Matott &lt;greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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From: "John Dignan" <John.Dignan@riba-enterprises.com>
Subject: TPDIS: SFX ad
Date: 10 Aug 2004 15:25:04 +0100


It appears that Revelation are now using the DVD commentaries as a tool
for promoting the TP discs. The latest ad in SFX magazine has the line
"Featuring the funniest cast commentaries available on DVD".

I maybe stepping further into geek territory, but does anyone have a
favourite commentary? Mine is probably "The Vanishing Earth", with "The
Doomsday Men" tying with "A Rift In Time" for second place.

And isn't it about time SFX did a PROPER feature on The Tomorrow People?
I've written to them a couple of times, comparing the dvd commentaries
to their Coach Potato feature, to no avail. Perhaps a barrage of letters
from irate TP fans would spur them to action?

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From: Beth E. <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
Date: 10 Aug 2004 09:32:08 -0500


On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 09:25 AM, John Dignan wrote:
> Perhaps a barrage of letters
> from irate TP fans would spur them to action?

I don't think that's marketed here in the states.  Assuming half the 
list is from the UK, that's 50 letters.  Does that count as a barrage?
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Subject: RE: TPDIS: SFX ad
Date: 10 Aug 2004 15:37:19 +0100


> I don't think that's marketed here in the states.  Assuming half the=20
> list is from the UK, that's 50 letters.  Does that count as a barrage?

We could always try psychic bombardment...?


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I thought the 3rd season ones were the funniest, but the first season had some interesting moments of existential despair.  They were all good, really.  So I don't have a favorite.  Even though I am a pencil-necked geek (it's my job).
 
-Jasmine

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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>John Dignan &lt;John.Dignan@riba-enterprises.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
Date: 11 Aug 2004 08:57:02 -0400

You can get SFX here, Borders carries it, and I actually have an overseas
subscription.  It's my costliest magazine subscription, but I enjoy it so
much that it is worth it!
Larc

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:32 AM


>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 09:25 AM, John Dignan wrote:
> > Perhaps a barrage of letters
> > from irate TP fans would spur them to action?
>
> I don't think that's marketed here in the states.  Assuming half the
> list is from the UK, that's 50 letters.  Does that count as a barrage?
> Tigger
>
>
>





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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
Date: 11 Aug 2004 08:45:22 -0700

Larc wrote:

>You can get SFX here, Borders carries it, and I actually have an overseas
>subscription.  It's my costliest magazine subscription, but I enjoy it so
>much that it is worth it!
>
I'm also in the US, and I've picked up SFX at Tower records.

- Peter

Peter Fagan
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From: "abby miller" <mommiller89@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
Date: 11 Aug 2004 12:54:10 -0400

You can also find it at Barnes and Noble, I believe.

Waves to Larc.


&gt;From: Peter Fagan &lt;peter@theta-g.com&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
&gt;To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
&gt;Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
&gt;Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:45:22 -0700
&gt;
&gt;Larc wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;You can get SFX here, Borders carries it, and I actually have an
&gt;&gt;overseas
&gt;&gt;subscription.  It's my costliest magazine subscription, but I enjoy
&gt;&gt;it so
&gt;&gt;much that it is worth it!
&gt;&gt;
&gt;I'm also in the US, and I've picked up SFX at Tower records.
&gt;
&gt;- Peter
&gt;
&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------------
&gt;Peter Fagan
&gt;+1-415-931-2680 | +1-415-846-6099 mobile
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
Date: 11 Aug 2004 15:24:12 -0400

Waves back! How's the family?? :)
Larc

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:54 PM


> You can also find it at Barnes and Noble, I believe.
>
> Waves to Larc.
>
>
> &gt;From: Peter Fagan &lt;peter@theta-g.com&gt;
> &gt;Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> &gt;To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> &gt;Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
> &gt;Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:45:22 -0700
> &gt;
> &gt;Larc wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt;&gt;You can get SFX here, Borders carries it, and I actually have an
> &gt;&gt;overseas
> &gt;&gt;subscription.  It's my costliest magazine subscription, but I
enjoy
> &gt;&gt;it so
> &gt;&gt;much that it is worth it!
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;I'm also in the US, and I've picked up SFX at Tower records.
> &gt;
> &gt;- Peter
> &gt;
>
&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------------
> &gt;Peter Fagan
> &gt;+1-415-931-2680 | +1-415-846-6099 mobile
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
>
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From: "rockhopper" <rockhopper@mail.ev1.net>
Subject: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries
Date: 11 Aug 2004 16:22:21 -0500

All,

My series 4 and 5 box set arrived today! (Yay!) This 
has me thinking, who will be doing the commentaries 
for series 6, 7 and 8? This may have been announced 
some time ago, but, as I have been showing an 
incredible precociousness for senior moments (no 
doubt made worse by moving house recently), I can't 
remember.

Thanks,
John
Watching "One Law" as soon as he gets home. 

_____________________________________________________
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From: "abby miller" <mommiller89@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX and Detroit Lab
Date: 11 Aug 2004 21:24:17 -0400

My family is doing just fine, growing like weeds the lot of them. plus a few 
extra.

BTW, I will be heading to Detroit again soon, two weeks, sans family.

How is YOUR TP next gen doing?


&gt;From: &quot;Larc&quot; &lt;larc@chronasoft.com&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
&gt;To: &lt;tpdis@lists.xmission.com&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
&gt;Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:24:12 -0400
&gt;
&gt;Waves back! How's the family?? :)
&gt;Larc
&gt;
&gt;----- Original Message -----
&gt;From: &quot;abby miller&quot; &lt;mommiller89@hotmail.com&gt;
&gt;To: &lt;tpdis@lists.xmission.com&gt;
&gt;Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:54 PM
&gt;Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; You can also find it at Barnes and Noble, I believe.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Waves to Larc.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;From: Peter Fagan &amp;lt;peter@theta-g.com&amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX ad
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:45:22 -0700
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Larc wrote:
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;You can get SFX here, Borders carries it, and I 
actually have an
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;overseas
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;subscription.  It's my costliest magazine 
subscription, but I
&gt;enjoy
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;it so
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;much that it is worth it!
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;I'm also in the US, and I've picked up SFX at Tower 
records.
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;- Peter
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;&amp;gt;------------------------------------------------------------------------
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Peter Fagan
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;+1-415-931-2680 | +1-415-846-6099 mobile
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
&gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries
Date: 12 Aug 2004 08:15:49 +0100

Series 6,7 & 8 have PVC doing the questioning and Mike, Nick and Nigel doing
the answering. There is the added bonus of a filmed interview too.

For more info take a look at the 'Behind the Scenes' article on my web site.

http://www.d.clark.btinternet.co.uk/DVD_Comm/DVD_Commentaries.htm

Jackie (who's off on holiday Saturday and will be out of touch for a week.)


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:22 PM


> All,
>
> My series 4 and 5 box set arrived today! (Yay!) This
> has me thinking, who will be doing the commentaries
> for series 6, 7 and 8? This may have been announced
> some time ago, but, as I have been showing an
> incredible precociousness for senior moments (no
> doubt made worse by moving house recently), I can't
> remember.
>
> Thanks,
> John
> Watching "One Law" as soon as he gets home.
>
> _____________________________________________________
> ___________
> Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
>
>
>
>
>
>





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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX and Detroit Lab
Date: 12 Aug 2004 08:26:40 -0400

Baby belly is BIG! Only 4 weeks to go -due date is Sept. 13th.  She
definitely lets me know her opinion already!  Kicks when she likes music or
sounds, ignores what she doesn't like.

Maybe we should do another Borders meeting or something when you're in
town??  Mary??

Larc



> My family is doing just fine, growing like weeds the lot of them. plus a
few
> extra.
>
> BTW, I will be heading to Detroit again soon, two weeks, sans family.
>
> How is YOUR TP next gen doing?
>
>
>





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From: "abby miller" <mommiller89@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX and Detroit Lab
Date: 12 Aug 2004 09:09:25 -0400

I'll be in Motown August 21st thru the 24th this time around.  The car is at 
the shop getting a last looksee as I speak. My time will be freer than last 
visit, except for Monday, and Tuesday afternoon when I have to look 
southward again.

Looking forward to meeting up with you again.
Abby


&gt;From: &quot;Larc&quot; &lt;larc@chronasoft.com&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
&gt;To: &lt;tpdis@lists.xmission.com&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX and Detroit Lab
&gt;Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:26:40 -0400
&gt;
&gt;Baby belly is BIG! Only 4 weeks to go -due date is Sept. 13th.  She
&gt;definitely lets me know her opinion already!  Kicks when she likes music 
or
&gt;sounds, ignores what she doesn't like.
&gt;
&gt;Maybe we should do another Borders meeting or something when you're in
&gt;town??  Mary??
&gt;
&gt;Larc
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; My family is doing just fine, growing like weeds the lot of them. 
plus a
&gt;few
&gt; &gt; extra.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; BTW, I will be heading to Detroit again soon, two weeks, sans 
family.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; How is YOUR TP next gen doing?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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From: "Larc" <larc@chronasoft.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX and Detroit Lab
Date: 12 Aug 2004 09:13:34 -0400

Sunday the 22nd would be good for me!   Jeffe, or any other peeps near
Detroit, are you interested???
Larc

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:09 AM


> I'll be in Motown August 21st thru the 24th this time around.  The car =
is
at
> the shop getting a last looksee as I speak. My time will be freer than
last
> visit, except for Monday, and Tuesday afternoon when I have to look
> southward again.
>
> Looking forward to meeting up with you again.
> Abby
>
>
> &gt;From: &quot;Larc&quot; &lt;larc@chronasoft.com&gt;
> &gt;Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> &gt;To: &lt;tpdis@lists.xmission.com&gt;
> &gt;Subject: Re: TPDIS: SFX and Detroit Lab
> &gt;Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:26:40 -0400
> &gt;
> &gt;Baby belly is BIG! Only 4 weeks to go -due date is Sept. 13th.  She
> &gt;definitely lets me know her opinion already!  Kicks when she likes
music
> or
> &gt;sounds, ignores what she doesn't like.
> &gt;
> &gt;Maybe we should do another Borders meeting or something when you're=
 in
> &gt;town??  Mary??
> &gt;
> &gt;Larc
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; My family is doing just fine, growing like weeds the lot of
them.
> plus a
> &gt;few
> &gt; &gt; extra.
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; BTW, I will be heading to Detroit again soon, two weeks, sans
> family.
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; How is YOUR TP next gen doing?
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
>
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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries
Date: 12 Aug 2004 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT)

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oh, they brought PVC back.  That's good; as I said, Nick seemed lonely.  I guess I'll have to buy it after all...


Jackie Clark <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Series 6,7 & 8 have PVC doing the questioning and Mike, Nick and Nigel doing
the answering. There is the added bonus of a filmed interview too.

For more info take a look at the 'Behind the Scenes' article on my web site.

http://www.d.clark.btinternet.co.uk/DVD_Comm/DVD_Commentaries.htm

Jackie (who's off on holiday Saturday and will be out of touch for a week.)


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:22 PM


> All,
>
> My series 4 and 5 box set arrived today! (Yay!) This
> has me thinking, who will be doing the commentaries
> for series 6, 7 and 8? This may have been announced
> some time ago, but, as I have been showing an
> incredible precociousness for senior moments (no
> doubt made worse by moving house recently), I can't
> remember.
>
> Thanks,
> John
> Watching "One Law" as soon as he gets home.
>
> _____________________________________________________
> ___________
> Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
>
>
>
>
>
>




		
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<DIV>oh, they brought PVC back.&nbsp; That's good; as I said, Nick seemed lonely.&nbsp; I guess I'll have to buy it after all...</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Jackie Clark &lt;Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Series 6,7 &amp; 8 have PVC doing the questioning and Mike, Nick and Nigel doing<BR>the answering. There is the added bonus of a filmed interview too.<BR><BR>For more info take a look at the 'Behind the Scenes' article on my web site.<BR><BR>http://www.d.clark.btinternet.co.uk/DVD_Comm/DVD_Commentaries.htm<BR><BR>Jackie (who's off on holiday Saturday and will be out of touch for a week.)<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "rockhopper" <ROCKHOPPER@MAIL.EV1.NET><BR>To: <TPDIS@LISTS.XMISSION.COM><BR>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:22 PM<BR>Subject: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries<BR><BR><BR>&gt; All,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; My series 4 and 5 box set arrived today! (Yay!) This<BR>&gt; has me thinking, who will be doing the commentaries<BR>&gt; for series 6, 7 and 8? This may have been announced<BR>&gt; some time ago, but, as I have been showing an<BR>&gt; incredible
 precociousness for senior moments (no<BR>&gt; doubt made worse by moving house recently), I can't<BR>&gt; remember.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Thanks,<BR>&gt; John<BR>&gt; Watching "One Law" as soon as he gets home.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; _____________________________________________________<BR>&gt; ___________<BR>&gt; Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Roger Price article
Date: 12 Aug 2004 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT)

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I found an article (from 1989) about "You Can't Do that On Television" that was kind of interesting; it said a fair amount about Roger Price, and had some quotes from an interview:

http://www.ycdtotv.com/articles/10yearslater.htm

Obviously, it's not about the Tomorrow People, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of interviews with Roger Price available.  At least I can't find them.  I used to watch "YCDTOTV" during about the same period I used to watch the Tomorrow People, but I would not have guessed at the time that they had the same creator...

-Jasmine

		
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<P>I found an article (from 1989) about "You Can't Do that On Television" that was kind of interesting; it said a fair amount about Roger Price, and had some quotes from an interview:</P>
<P><A href="http://www.ycdtotv.com/articles/10yearslater.htm">http://www.ycdtotv.com/articles/10yearslater.htm</A></P>
<P>Obviously, it's not about the Tomorrow People, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of interviews with Roger Price available.&nbsp; At least I can't find them.&nbsp; I used to watch "YCDTOTV" during about the same period I used to watch the Tomorrow People, but I would not have guessed at the time that they had the same creator...</P>
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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries
Date: 12 Aug 2004 15:56:37 -0500

>Series 6,7 & 8 have PVC doing the questioning and Mike, Nick and Nigel doin=
g
>the answering. There is the added bonus of a filmed interview too.
>

Glad to hear that  PVC will be back.  After sitting through the commentaries=
 without him, I wasn't planning to get Series 6,7 or 8.  If he's on the=
 commentaries, I'll spend the money.=20
Hi! I'm new to the list, but an old time Tomorrow People fan, from the time=
 it ran on Nickolodeon in the early 80's.  Watched the new series, but=
 wasn't as intrigued by it was I was by the original series.  Only recently=
 found it was on DVD, got those, and then started hunting the internet for=
 mailing lists and websites.=20

Marie

=20





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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries
Date: 12 Aug 2004 22:07:06 +0100


Welcome, Marie, it's good to have you on board.

Jackie




>Series 6,7 & 8 have PVC doing the questioning and Mike, Nick and Nigel
doing
>the answering. There is the added bonus of a filmed interview too.
>

Glad to hear that  PVC will be back.  After sitting through the commentaries
without him, I wasn't planning to get Series 6,7 or 8.  If he's on the
commentaries, I'll spend the money.
Hi! I'm new to the list, but an old time Tomorrow People fan, from the time
it ran on Nickolodeon in the early 80's.  Watched the new series, but wasn't
as intrigued by it was I was by the original series.  Only recently found it
was on DVD, got those, and then started hunting the internet for mailing
lists and websites.

Marie










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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries
Date: 12 Aug 2004 16:10:01 -0500

>Welcome, Marie, it's good to have you on board.
>
>Jackie
>
thanks! I've enjoyed your website.

 





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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Series 6, 7 and 8 commentaries
Date: 12 Aug 2004 18:44:40 EDT


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In a message dated 8/12/2004 5:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:

Welcome, Marie, it's good to have you on board.

Jackie




>Series 6,7 & 8 have PVC doing the questioning and Mike, Nick and Nigel
doing
>the answering. There is the added bonus of a filmed interview too.
>

Glad to hear that  PVC will be back.  After sitting through the commentaries
without him, I wasn't planning to get Series 6,7 or 8.  If he's on the
commentaries, I'll spend the money.
Hi! I'm new to the list, but an old time Tomorrow People fan, from the time
it ran on Nickolodeon in the early 80's.  Watched the new series, but wasn't
as intrigued by it was I was by the original series.  Only recently found it
was on DVD, got those, and then started hunting the internet for mailing
lists and websites.

Marie
Welcome home, Marie!
Toreen

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From: "abby miller" <mommiller89@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 17 Aug 2004 07:55:37 -0400

Hi all,

I am not sure if this was ever addressed in the OS, NS or audios, but it has 
to do with telepathic shielding.

If a telepath is heavily shielding themselves, are they still able to pick 
up an inquiry from someone close to them?  Would they know someone is trying 
to establish contact, sort of like knocking on a closed door, or would they 
be oblivious to any attempts?

What if that person were a close friend or relation?

Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.

Thanks, Abby

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From: j.wiltsie@comcast.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 17 Aug 2004 14:20:31 +0000


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I think part of it was addressed in OS "The Heart of Sogguth" (correct my spelling please, if wrong).  Elisabeth and John were telepathing to Mike and he wasn't responding.  When Tim was asked, he stated that all telepathic people leave some kind of a trace.  Even when they die, there is a "hollow echo" of a thought left.  Or something like that.  I'm in no way saying I'm a telepath, but I do shield my thoughts from my partner sometimes, as he can pick up stray thoughts that I have.  (I at least believe that is what it is)  But there have been times in my past that a close friend had a pet die, and I dreamed/astral projected myself to her, because I felt her pain.  When I called her, I told her what I saw, and she stated that she felt something/someone close by her, and that it could've been me.  When she asked me where she buried her pet, I described the location right by her house, and had never been there before.  I even knew that there was a bush and rocks that were at the location.  To this day, I still haven't gone to that location, nor have I been able to do that projection again.  Maybe it was just a fluke, or maybe I've broken out and just don't realize it.
I'm going back to lurking now.  Just thought that I would pop my head up and say something.
John Wiltsie

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> Hi all, 
> 
> I am not sure if this was ever addressed in the OS, NS or audios, but it has 
> to do with telepathic shielding. 
> 
> If a telepath is heavily shielding themselves, are they still able to pick 
> up an inquiry from someone close to them? Would they know someone is trying 
> to establish contact, sort of like knocking on a closed door, or would they 
> be oblivious to any attempts? 
> 
> What if that person were a close friend or relation? 
> 
> Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks, Abby 
> 
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<P>I think part of it was addressed in OS "The Heart of Sogguth" (correct my spelling please, if wrong).&nbsp; Elisabeth and John were telepathing to Mike and he wasn't responding.&nbsp; When Tim was asked, he stated that all telepathic people leave some kind of a trace.&nbsp; Even when they die, there is a "hollow echo" of a thought left.&nbsp; Or something like that.&nbsp; I'm in no way saying I'm a telepath, but I do shield my thoughts from my partner sometimes, as he can pick up stray thoughts that I have.&nbsp; (I at least believe that is what it is)&nbsp; But there have been times in my past that a close friend had a pet die, and I dreamed/astral projected myself to her, because I felt her pain.&nbsp; When I called her, I told her what I saw, and she stated that she felt something/someone close by her, and that it could've been me.&nbsp; When she asked me where she buried her pet, I described the location right by her house, and had never been there before.&nbsp; I even knew that there was a bush and rocks that were at the location.&nbsp; To this day, I still haven't gone to that location, nor have I been able to do that projection again.&nbsp; Maybe it was just a fluke, or maybe I've broken out and just don't realize it.</P>
<P>I'm going back to lurking now.&nbsp; Just thought that I would pop my head up and say something.</P>
<P>John Wiltsie<BR></P>
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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 18 Aug 2004 08:09:48 -0500

Just my own thoughts here, but it seems like even shielded, a telepath could=
 hear someone trying to contact them.   I would think a telepath would have=
 to be shielded a lot of the time, just to keep from getting lost in all the=
 stray thoughts from the people around them.  Or would a telepath pick up on=
 thoughts from non-telepaths?  I figured it was kind of like if you had the=
 windows open in your house... you'd hear lots of street noise.  Close the=
 windows and shut out  the noise, unless it was really loud, like someone=
 knocking to come in : )  =20

Marie



>Hi all,
>
>I am not sure if this was ever addressed in the OS, NS or audios, but it=
 has=20
>to do with telepathic shielding.
>
>If a telepath is heavily shielding themselves, are they still able to pick=
=20
>up an inquiry from someone close to them?  Would they know someone is=
 trying=20
>to establish contact, sort of like knocking on a closed door, or would they=
=20
>be oblivious to any attempts?
>
>What if that person were a close friend or relation?
>
>Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks, Abby
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and=
=20
>more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx


=20





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From: "Carol Bevis" <ca.bevis@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 18 Aug 2004 19:07:57 +0100

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Does anyone know why the Galactic Federation is also known as the Galactic
Trig?  The logic (or otherwise) has been bothering me for a while and I
wondered if anyone could solve this mystery.

Regards,

Carol

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Subject: RE: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 18 Aug 2004 14:16:16 -0400

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As I understand it, the Trig is the space-station that houses the
organisation, and the Federation is the organisation itself. The terms are
used interchangeably in the same way that "the White house" can mean both
the building itself and the adminsitration inside it.

Sorry for top posting, BTW. Stupid Outlook.

Chris
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 18 Aug 2004 16:05:14 EDT


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From: M K <mck17524@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 18 Aug 2004 13:13:16 -0700 (PDT)

It isn't. The Galactic Federation (as an organization)
is housed in the Galactic Federation Trig location, or
The Trig for short.

--- Carol Bevis <ca.bevis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> Does anyone know why the Galactic Federation is also
> known as the Galactic
> Trig?  The logic (or otherwise) has been bothering
> me for a while and I
> wondered if anyone could solve this mystery.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Carol
> 



		
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From: M K <mck17524@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 18 Aug 2004 13:14:31 -0700 (PDT)

Those questions are actually answered in the OS
episodes.

--- Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:

> added to that confusion what is Overmind? And the
> Council? 
> 



	
		
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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 19 Aug 2004 06:48:58 +1000

On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 02:16:16PM -0400, Chris Halliday wrote:
> As I understand it, the Trig is the space-station that houses the
> organisation, and the Federation is the organisation itself. The terms are
> used interchangeably in the same way that "the White house" can mean both
> the building itself and the adminsitration inside it.

Good example.
 
> Sorry for top posting, BTW. Stupid Outlook.

Outlook may be stupid, but the solution is simple:
just scroll down to the bottom of the message, and click *there*, and
you can start typing underneath...
And you can delete the unwanted portions of the previous message by
highlighting them and hitting the "Delete" key...

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From: "Carol Bevis" <ca.bevis@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 19 Aug 2004 19:41:02 +0100

Which one(s)? Surely not in the episodes already available and out on DVD -
I've got those and I wouldn't have asked the question if I'd found the
answer in seasons 1-5.

Regards,

Carol


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Sent: 18 August 2004 21:15


Those questions are actually answered in the OS
episodes.

--- Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:

> added to that confusion what is Overmind? And the
> Council?
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 19 Aug 2004 15:15:32 EDT


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Look in : the third story, it's most unclear though as to what Overmind, The 
Trig and the Federaton are

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From: "Chris Halliday" <otherchris@erols.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 19 Aug 2004 15:21:12 -0400

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>Look in : the third story, it's most unclear though as to what Overmind,
The Trig and the Federaton are

In the books, Price makes it clear that the Trig is a physical structure,
and that the Federation is an organisation. Overmind isn't referenced in
print, but it's logical to assume that it's a form of telepathic concensus,
possibly a form of group mind capable of making decisions for the
Federation.

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From: "Jawzi" <mail@adjawzi.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: New TIM. 
Date: 19 Aug 2004 20:33:57 +0100

The BF site now has audio trailers for the next two TP CDs. Interestingly,
the voice of the new TIM may be heard in "The Warlock's Dance" trailer.

Anyta.





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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 19 Aug 2004 16:25:22 EDT


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Thanks for the info. I think Overmind might be in the comics and I think 
there is also a kind of  High Court or something in the comics, not unlike the 
Council in WAR OF THE EMPIRES or Doctor Who's Time Lord Supremes or something. 

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From: M K <mck17524@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 19 Aug 2004 16:13:51 -0700 (PDT)

I don't recall which episodes, but as for Overmind,
John explains who they are. The council... I forget
who explains it - maybe Timus or Tikno.

--- Carol Bevis <ca.bevis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> Which one(s)? Surely not in the episodes already
> available and out on DVD -
> I've got those and I wouldn't have asked the
> question if I'd found the
> answer in seasons 1-5.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Carol
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> M K
> Sent: 18 August 2004 21:15
> To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka The Trig
> 
> 
> Those questions are actually answered in the OS
> episodes.
> 
> --- Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > added to that confusion what is Overmind? And the
> > Council?
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New TIM.
Date: 19 Aug 2004 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT)

Jawzi said:
> The BF site now has audio trailers for the next two TP CDs. Interestingly,
> the voice of the new TIM may be heard in "The Warlock's Dance" trailer.

Indeed -- just a few words, but to my mind a great relief, as I think he
sounds "right" for TIM. I hope all the fans will give Mr. Littledale some
time to settle into the role; it cannot be easy for any actor to carry on
with such a beloved character, brought to life by someone else.

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From: "John Wiltsie" <j.wiltsie@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka  The Trig
Date: 20 Aug 2004 00:13:17 -0600

It is mentioned in the first episode of The Blue and The Green.  I think
something along the lines of "Carol has joined Overmind."  John says it to
Stephen.

Goes back to lurking...

Johnnie
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:13 PM


> I don't recall which episodes, but as for Overmind,
> John explains who they are. The council... I forget
> who explains it - maybe Timus or Tikno.
>
> --- Carol Bevis <ca.bevis@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Which one(s)? Surely not in the episodes already
> > available and out on DVD -
> > I've got those and I wouldn't have asked the
> > question if I'd found the
> > answer in seasons 1-5.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> > [mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> > M K
> > Sent: 18 August 2004 21:15
> > To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Federation aka The Trig
> >
> >
> > Those questions are actually answered in the OS
> > episodes.
> >
> > --- Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > added to that confusion what is Overmind? And the
> > > Council?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: "abby miller" <mommiller89@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 20 Aug 2004 08:11:01 -0400

Thanks Marie,

I've done some more thinking on it as well.  I would have gotten back to you 
sooner, but this has only recently shown up in my inbox, it is dated 
Wednsday, why it took so long to show up is one of those Hotmail mysteries.

My latest theory is that telepathy is like verbal communication in that you 
have to think about doing it.  You either speak, or "send" what you want to 
say, or you keep your mind or mouth shut.  The idea of you mind being open 
all of the time for any other telepath to be able to peek into when they 
want to unless you are constantly shielding sounds like an awful amount of 
work.  What happens when you sleep then?  Likewise too, a telepath has to 
actively want to go peeking into another's mind, another telepath would be 
sensitvive to this rude intrusion and could sheild thusly, but for a normal 
"sap" likely no such luck.

I figure we tune things out all the time with normal hearing.  So why not 
have it be the same with telepathy?  Shielding would be like actively 
ignoring someone or something, but also too, we can selectively tune out 
excessive noise, say like at a party, to tune into what your significant 
other is saying to you.

Overhearing other's conversation is a possibility, but I figure that between 
two close individuals, there are other visual, mental, and emotional cues 
built up over the time of a relationship that an outsider would be hard 
pressed to interpret correctly telepathic or not.

Does this make sense?

Abby


&gt;Just my own thoughts here, but it seems like even shielded, a telepath 
could hear someone trying to contact them.   I would think a telepath would 
have to be shielded a lot of the time, just to keep from getting lost in all 
the stray thoughts from the people around them.  Or would a telepath pick up 
on thoughts from non-telepaths?  I figured it was kind of like if you had 
the windows open in your house... you'd hear lots of street noise.  Close 
the windows and shut out  the noise, unless it was really loud, like someone 
knocking to come in : )
&gt;
&gt;Marie
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Is anyone else having problems connecting to the server?
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Chat
Date: 21 Aug 2004 18:23:55 -0700

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At 06:15 PM 8/21/2004, you wrote:

>Is anyone else having problems connecting to the server?
>Toreen
>
>"We spoke of Poems and Prayers and Promises, Things that we believed in. 
>How sweet is it to love someone, how right it is to care."-John Denver


Not me, Toreen

I'm online waiting. :P
-Drew

Try kechara.sorcery.net

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Denver<br>
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Not me, Toreen<br><br>
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Chat
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It just keeps telling me "Unable to Reseolve Server"


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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Chat
Date: 21 Aug 2004 18:31:59 -0700

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At 06:31 PM 8/21/2004, you wrote:

>It just keeps telling me "Unable to Reseolve Server"
>

odd. That tends to mean the server itself isn't accessible. What IRC 
program are you using?

>
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just keeps telling me &quot;Unable to Reseolve Server&quot;<br>
</i></b></font><font size=3>&nbsp;</font></blockquote><br>
odd. That tends to mean the server itself isn't accessible. What IRC
program are you using? <br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="Palatino Linotype" size=2 color="#FF0000"><b><i>&quot;We
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Chat
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Mirc 6.16
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Chat
Date: 21 Aug 2004 18:34:53 -0700

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At 06:32 PM 8/21/2004, you wrote:

>
>Mirc 6.16
>"We spoke of Poems and Prayers and Promises, Things that we believed in. 
>How sweet is it to love someone, how right it is to care."-John Denver

K. Try this. WHen you connect to sorcery.net, try to find a slot that says 
"Random Sorcery Server" and click connect.

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sweet is it to love someone, how right it is to care.&quot;-John
Denver<br>
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K. Try this. WHen you connect to sorcery.net, try to find a slot that
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Chat
Date: 21 Aug 2004 21:36:16 EDT


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Thank you, but it's still not connecting.


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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 22 Aug 2004 18:25:39 -0500

 The comments I made on shielding previously were because I thought a TP=
 could pick up on a sap's thoughts.  While rewatching Medusa Strain today,=
 there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading his mind, and John=
 says they can only read each other(TPs) minds.  Don't have the exact=
 wording available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that says TP's can or=
 can't read the thoughts of saps?  I was thinking they didn't do it cause it=
 would be rude, but from the comment John made, maybe they just really can't=
 read anyone except other TP.  I have to go rethink all my assumptions about=
 telepaths... at least in context of this show.  I think I was combining=
 bits and pieces from The Tomorrow People and other SF I've read about=
 telepaths. =20

As for shields and sleeping, I think it would eventually become an automatic=
 thing, that you would have to consciously drop your shields, or they'd be=
 up all the time. I think it would be a learned thing, like toilet training =
 : )    I like your idea that you would have to deliberately 'send' a=
 message, like talking out loud.=20


Marie


=20

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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
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I remember that there was a first season episode where John said that they could only read the minds of other telepaths.  But in the third season, Tricia Conway could clearly read the minds of non-telepaths, yet she described Stephen as a "much stronger telepath" than her.  Then in the fifth season, in "The Dirtiest Business", the SIS woman says that the Russian girl could read people's minds "whether they wanted her to or not", which seemed to indicate that whether or not the Tomorrow People could read minds depended on someone's willingness to be read, rather than on whether or not they were telepathic.  I honestly don't think there was a consistent "canon" on their telepathic abilities.  Most of the time it didn't seem like they could read people's thoughts, even the thoughts of other telepaths, unless they were deliberately sending a message to someone.  It certainly wasn't a skill they ever seemed to use in the context of a story.  With the exception of the Russian girl and
 Tricia Conway, the Tomorrow People's telepathy seemed to be limited to a sort of biological built-in cellular phone...
 
-Jasmine

"Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:
The comments I made on shielding previously were because I thought a TP could pick up on a sap's thoughts. While rewatching Medusa Strain today, there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading his mind, and John says they can only read each other(TPs) minds. Don't have the exact wording available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that says TP's can or can't read the thoughts of saps? I was thinking they didn't do it cause it would be rude, but from the comment John made, maybe they just really can't read anyone except other TP. I have to go rethink all my assumptions about telepaths... at least in context of this show. I think I was combining bits and pieces from The Tomorrow People and other SF I've read about telepaths. 










		
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<DIV>I remember that there was a first season episode where John said that they could only read the minds of other telepaths.&nbsp; But in the third season, Tricia Conway could clearly read the minds of non-telepaths, yet she described Stephen as a "much stronger telepath" than her.&nbsp; Then in the fifth season, in "The Dirtiest Business", the SIS woman says that the Russian girl could read people's minds "whether they wanted her to or not", which seemed to indicate that whether or not the Tomorrow People could read minds depended on someone's willingness to be read, rather than on whether or not they were telepathic.&nbsp; I honestly don't think there was a consistent "canon" on their telepathic abilities.&nbsp; Most of the time it didn't seem like they could read people's thoughts, even the thoughts of other telepaths, unless they were deliberately sending a message to someone.&nbsp; It certainly wasn't a skill they ever seemed to use in the context of a story.&nbsp; With the
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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 23 Aug 2004 08:44:03 -0700 (PDT)

Marie H. said:
>  The comments I made on shielding previously were because I thought a TP
> could pick up on a sap's thoughts.  While rewatching Medusa Strain today,
> there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading his mind, and John
> says they can only read each other(TPs) minds.  Don't have the exact
> wording available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that says TP's can or
> can't read the thoughts of saps?  I was thinking they didn't do it cause
> it would be rude, but from the comment John made, maybe they just really
> can't read anyone except other TP.

How about _A Rift In Time_ where, once back in ancient Rome, John says
that the "only power" they have left working is the ability to interpret
the saps' brainwaves to provide language translation? That seems to me to
at least partially contradict the "can't read a sap's mind" claim. There's
also Tricia Conway (_Secret Weapon_, _The Revenge of Jedikiah_), who could
read the minds of saps and did eventually break out into being a Tomorrow
Person. Don't forget Pavla (_The Dirtiest Business_), who read the minds
of saps with ease -- but although Mike considered her a TP, there's been
some controversy on the list as to whether she'd really qualify.

My personal explanation is as follows. If you think of the part of the
mind that enables telepathy as a kind of radio, both saps and TP's have
much the same "equipment" - it's just that the TP have much better
"amplifiers" and "antennas". Because they are able to pick up low-power
signals, they can pick up mental cues that enable them to interpret
language, and because they can transmit at high power, they can get a
signal through to the saps that makes them think the TP is speaking their
language. Given the limitations of the "gear" in the sap mind, this can
only work at close range -- say, the same as for easy vocal conversation.

(I don't recall if this was ever said in the original series, but in a
couple of the recent audio stories, remarks have been made about "mental
noise" in proximity to a lot of saps; this would make sense from this
perspective.)

Also consider the mental discipline involved; there were many mentions in
the series about new TP's having to be taught to use their powers, and at
one point TIM makes a remark about not being able to easily detect "wild"
signals -- he's set up primarily to deal with trained minds. However you
think of it, saps probably emit a jumble of stream-of-consciousness
rubbish, while a trained TP is able to focus what he or she is sending to
make it easier to receive. Thus, I think the original bit about TP's being
"unable" to read the minds of saps was perhaps a bit of an exaggeration;
in my theory, it would be possible -- but could only be done at close
range, and would be extremely tedious and tiring for the TP trying to sort
out meaning from the noise. Add a dash of ethical resistance to being a
voyeur when the subject can't do anything to protect him/herself, and you
wind up with a situation where while it's just barely *possible*, it's too
difficult and ethically frowned-upon to do.

[In this view, Pavla would be unique mainly for having the ability to
easily sift meaning from the noise, rather than solely for being able to
read the minds of saps. And we can perhaps at least partly explain Tricia
-- especially given her employer -- by noting that she didn't seem to have
any ethical problems with reading people's minds without permission. It
was clearly a strain for her, though, and her readings weren't always
clear or complete.]

> I have to go rethink all my
> assumptions about telepaths... at least in context of this show.  I think
> I was combining bits and pieces from The Tomorrow People and other SF
> I've read about telepaths.

Yes, one doesn't want to go combining these things without being aware of
it. I do think some of the ideas from Julian May's Galactic Milieu books,
much of which revolve around what she calls "metapsychic" powers are
interesting in a TP context, though. When it comes to telepathy, she has
the idea of a "declamatory mode" that is like speaking out loud in a room
full of people, and an "intimate mode" that's intended for just one person
- like whispering in their ear. Although this was an area that wasn't
really addressed in the series, I wouldn't be surprised if TP had this
sort of discrimination.

George




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From: "Simon Fraser" <simonf78@btopenworld.com>
Subject: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 23 Aug 2004 17:35:51 +0100

Hey everybody!

Not trying to brag ;) but I managed to pick up my copy of the new TP DVD box
set for series 6, 7 and 8 today in my local MVC.

I'm really looking forward to spending an evening watching the eps, and I'm
just wondering if anybody else has managed to pick one up?

TinyTim
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Marie H. said:
>  The comments I made on shielding previously were because I thought a TP
> could pick up on a sap's thoughts.  While rewatching Medusa Strain today,
> there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading his mind, and John
> says they can only read each other(TPs) minds.  Don't have the exact
> wording available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that says TP's can or
> can't read the thoughts of saps?  I was thinking they didn't do it cause
> it would be rude, but from the comment John made, maybe they just really
> can't read anyone except other TP.

How about _A Rift In Time_ where, once back in ancient Rome, John says
that the "only power" they have left working is the ability to interpret
the saps' brainwaves to provide language translation? That seems to me to
at least partially contradict the "can't read a sap's mind" claim. There's
also Tricia Conway (_Secret Weapon_, _The Revenge of Jedikiah_), who could
read the minds of saps and did eventually break out into being a Tomorrow
Person. Don't forget Pavla (_The Dirtiest Business_), who read the minds
of saps with ease -- but although Mike considered her a TP, there's been
some controversy on the list as to whether she'd really qualify.

My personal explanation is as follows. If you think of the part of the
mind that enables telepathy as a kind of radio, both saps and TP's have
much the same "equipment" - it's just that the TP have much better
"amplifiers" and "antennas". Because they are able to pick up low-power
signals, they can pick up mental cues that enable them to interpret
language, and because they can transmit at high power, they can get a
signal through to the saps that makes them think the TP is speaking their
language. Given the limitations of the "gear" in the sap mind, this can
only work at close range -- say, the same as for easy vocal conversation.

(I don't recall if this was ever said in the original series, but in a
couple of the recent audio stories, remarks have been made about "mental
noise" in proximity to a lot of saps; this would make sense from this
perspective.)

Also consider the mental discipline involved; there were many mentions in
the series about new TP's having to be taught to use their powers, and at
one point TIM makes a remark about not being able to easily detect "wild"
signals -- he's set up primarily to deal with trained minds. However you
think of it, saps probably emit a jumble of stream-of-consciousness
rubbish, while a trained TP is able to focus what he or she is sending to
make it easier to receive. Thus, I think the original bit about TP's being
"unable" to read the minds of saps was perhaps a bit of an exaggeration;
in my theory, it would be possible -- but could only be done at close
range, and would be extremely tedious and tiring for the TP trying to sort
out meaning from the noise. Add a dash of ethical resistance to being a
voyeur when the subject can't do anything to protect him/herself, and you
wind up with a situation where while it's just barely *possible*, it's too
difficult and ethically frowned-upon to do.

[In this view, Pavla would be unique mainly for having the ability to
easily sift meaning from the noise, rather than solely for being able to
read the minds of saps. And we can perhaps at least partly explain Tricia
-- especially given her employer -- by noting that she didn't seem to have
any ethical problems with reading people's minds without permission. It
was clearly a strain for her, though, and her readings weren't always
clear or complete.]

> I have to go rethink all my
> assumptions about telepaths... at least in context of this show.  I think
> I was combining bits and pieces from The Tomorrow People and other SF
> I've read about telepaths.

Yes, one doesn't want to go combining these things without being aware of
it. I do think some of the ideas from Julian May's Galactic Milieu books,
much of which revolve around what she calls "metapsychic" powers are
interesting in a TP context, though. When it comes to telepathy, she has
the idea of a "declamatory mode" that is like speaking out loud in a room
full of people, and an "intimate mode" that's intended for just one person
- like whispering in their ear. Although this was an area that wasn't
really addressed in the series, I wouldn't be surprised if TP had this
sort of discrimination.

George




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From: "E.R. Stanway" <ers24@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 23 Aug 2004 17:42:00 +0100 (BST)


I'm watching mine now :-)

I guess they're selling fast.  All the copies ordered in by my local 
branch of MVC save one had already been pre-ordered!

Elizabeth


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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Simon Fraser wrote:

> Hey everybody!
>
> Not trying to brag ;) but I managed to pick up my copy of the new TP DVD box
> set for series 6, 7 and 8 today in my local MVC.
>
> I'm really looking forward to spending an evening watching the eps, and I'm
> just wondering if anybody else has managed to pick one up?
>
> TinyTim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
> To: <tpdis@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
>
>
> Marie H. said:
>>  The comments I made on shielding previously were because I thought a TP
>> could pick up on a sap's thoughts.  While rewatching Medusa Strain today,
>> there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading his mind, and John
>> says they can only read each other(TPs) minds.  Don't have the exact
>> wording available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that says TP's can or
>> can't read the thoughts of saps?  I was thinking they didn't do it cause
>> it would be rude, but from the comment John made, maybe they just really
>> can't read anyone except other TP.
>
> How about _A Rift In Time_ where, once back in ancient Rome, John says
> that the "only power" they have left working is the ability to interpret
> the saps' brainwaves to provide language translation? That seems to me to
> at least partially contradict the "can't read a sap's mind" claim. There's
> also Tricia Conway (_Secret Weapon_, _The Revenge of Jedikiah_), who could
> read the minds of saps and did eventually break out into being a Tomorrow
> Person. Don't forget Pavla (_The Dirtiest Business_), who read the minds
> of saps with ease -- but although Mike considered her a TP, there's been
> some controversy on the list as to whether she'd really qualify.
>
> My personal explanation is as follows. If you think of the part of the
> mind that enables telepathy as a kind of radio, both saps and TP's have
> much the same "equipment" - it's just that the TP have much better
> "amplifiers" and "antennas". Because they are able to pick up low-power
> signals, they can pick up mental cues that enable them to interpret
> language, and because they can transmit at high power, they can get a
> signal through to the saps that makes them think the TP is speaking their
> language. Given the limitations of the "gear" in the sap mind, this can
> only work at close range -- say, the same as for easy vocal conversation.
>
> (I don't recall if this was ever said in the original series, but in a
> couple of the recent audio stories, remarks have been made about "mental
> noise" in proximity to a lot of saps; this would make sense from this
> perspective.)
>
> Also consider the mental discipline involved; there were many mentions in
> the series about new TP's having to be taught to use their powers, and at
> one point TIM makes a remark about not being able to easily detect "wild"
> signals -- he's set up primarily to deal with trained minds. However you
> think of it, saps probably emit a jumble of stream-of-consciousness
> rubbish, while a trained TP is able to focus what he or she is sending to
> make it easier to receive. Thus, I think the original bit about TP's being
> "unable" to read the minds of saps was perhaps a bit of an exaggeration;
> in my theory, it would be possible -- but could only be done at close
> range, and would be extremely tedious and tiring for the TP trying to sort
> out meaning from the noise. Add a dash of ethical resistance to being a
> voyeur when the subject can't do anything to protect him/herself, and you
> wind up with a situation where while it's just barely *possible*, it's too
> difficult and ethically frowned-upon to do.
>
> [In this view, Pavla would be unique mainly for having the ability to
> easily sift meaning from the noise, rather than solely for being able to
> read the minds of saps. And we can perhaps at least partly explain Tricia
> -- especially given her employer -- by noting that she didn't seem to have
> any ethical problems with reading people's minds without permission. It
> was clearly a strain for her, though, and her readings weren't always
> clear or complete.]
>
>> I have to go rethink all my
>> assumptions about telepaths... at least in context of this show.  I think
>> I was combining bits and pieces from The Tomorrow People and other SF
>> I've read about telepaths.
>
> Yes, one doesn't want to go combining these things without being aware of
> it. I do think some of the ideas from Julian May's Galactic Milieu books,
> much of which revolve around what she calls "metapsychic" powers are
> interesting in a TP context, though. When it comes to telepathy, she has
> the idea of a "declamatory mode" that is like speaking out loud in a room
> full of people, and an "intimate mode" that's intended for just one person
> - like whispering in their ear. Although this was an area that wasn't
> really addressed in the series, I wouldn't be surprised if TP had this
> sort of discrimination.
>
> George
>
>
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From: "Warren Hillsdon" <warren@scifioz.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 03:17:05 +1000

Well guys then the question is when we will be getting a review of the
commentaries and other material on the DVD's put up so us poor overseas
people can sit back and live the event through you guys?

Warren

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I'm watching mine now :-)

I guess they're selling fast.  All the copies ordered in by my local 
branch of MVC save one had already been pre-ordered!

Elizabeth


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____________________________________________________________________

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Simon Fraser wrote:

> Hey everybody!
>
> Not trying to brag ;) but I managed to pick up my copy of the new TP DVD
box
> set for series 6, 7 and 8 today in my local MVC.
>
> I'm really looking forward to spending an evening watching the eps, and
I'm
> just wondering if anybody else has managed to pick one up?
>
> TinyTim





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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 23 Aug 2004 11:59:25 -0700 (PDT)


--- "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:

>  The comments I made on shielding previously were
> because I thought a TP could pick up on a sap's
> thoughts.  While rewatching Medusa Strain today,
> there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading
> his mind, and John says they can only read each
> other(TPs) minds.  Don't have the exact wording
> available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that
> says TP's can or can't read the thoughts of saps? 

This is one of the most confounded continuity issues
in TPdom.  

John says that in Medusa Strain and it is stated
elsewhere that the TPs can only telepathically
communicate with each other, but this is contradicted
by OTHER things said or done in the series including:

Stephen altering the memories of the policemen at the
end of "Blue and Green" to keep Chris out of jail.

The explanation for how the TPs can understand the
ancient Romans and Britains in "A Rift in Time" is
that they telepathically translate what is being said
to them - and the native 'hears' their response in
his/her native tongue.  (That would have to require
the TPs in some way reading and projecting to a Sap) 
This is never brought up again in the series, but one
does wonder why the monks in an Indian/Tibetan (?)
monastary would be speaking English in "Lost Gods". 
Not to mention all the alien races that seem to speak
English. :-)  In "A Much Needed Holiday" the TPs are
presumably using the translator from the Galactic Fed
in order to translate the alien's language (there's a
segment where the head alien says to John with
surprise "You speak our language?")   

Tricia Conway - who is arguably a pre-TP telepath in
the serial - is able to read Professor Cawston's mind
in "Secret Weapon" and is hurt by the power of
Elizabeth's telepathy.

Pavla in "The Dirtiest Buisness" is said by Major
Turner to have a 'different' type of telepathy in
which she COMPLETELY reads the mind of anyone she
comes into contact with - all thoughts and memories -
without necessarily realizing what she's doing.  

Major Turner compares her telepathy to that of the TPs
(while stating how Pavla's is different) implying that
she has similar telepathic abilities to the TP.  She
is able to read Elizabeth's mind (without being hurt),
but we're never given the opportunity to see if she is
able to read the minds of Saps.  

Although there's no basis for this other than personal
preference, I would say it's likely that the TPs CAN
read the minds of Saps, as well as alter their
thoughts and memories.  Rememver that non-TPs were
able to see Andrew's (and the other TPs) illusions. 
While not strictly telepathy, these illusions were a
form of telepathic projection.  Perhaps John's
comments to Chris were only meant to reassure him and
placate him.  Perhaps if the Saps knew that the TP
could read their minds there would be a more
concentrated effort to control or even kill the TP.  

> As for shields and sleeping, I think it would
> eventually become an automatic thing, that you would
> have to consciously drop your shields, or they'd be
> up all the time. I think it would be a learned
> thing, like toilet training  : )    I like your idea
> that you would have to deliberately 'send' a
> message, like talking out loud. 
> 

I see no reason why telepathic shields couldn't remain
up while sleeping.  You have a variety of muscles
whose 'normal' state is to be contracted (i.e bowels,
bladder, certain postural muscles).  It would be most
distressing if these muscles were all to stop having
tonus contraction while we slept! :-)  

Even if shields are something that at first require
concentration, after some practice maintaining them
might be a simple matter indeed.  (The toilet training
example actually provides quite a good analogy.)

mike


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From: Steve B <hantsbear@hantsbear.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 23 Aug 2004 20:15:02 +0100


> >Stephen altering the memories of the policemen at the
> >end of "Blue and Green" to keep Chris out of jail.

I thought they used some sort of memory eraser device?

Steve





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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 23 Aug 2004 15:20:48 EDT


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In a message dated 8/23/04 12:36:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
simonf78@btopenworld.com writes:


> !
> 
> Not trying to brag ;) but I managed to pick up my copy of the new TP DVD box
> set for series 6, 7 and 8 today in my local MVC.
> 
> I'm really looking forward to spending an evening watching the eps, and I'm
> just wondering if anybody else has managed to pick one up?
> 
> TinyTim
> 

Yeah I got one from my Candaian blockbuster.



No just kidding. You are rubbing it in. 

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<BR>Not trying to brag ;) but I managed to pick up my copy of the new TP DVD=
 box
<BR>set for series 6, 7 and 8 today in my local MVC.
<BR>
<BR>I'm really looking forward to spending an evening watching the eps, and=20=
I'm
<BR>just wondering if anybody else has managed to pick one up?
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 23 Aug 2004 15:21:25 EDT


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warren@scifioz.com writes:


> the
> commentaries and other material on the DVD's put up so us poor overseas
> people can sit back and live the event through you guys?
> 
> 

R U kidding? I don't wanna live through them. I want the box set!

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<BR>
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<BR>commentaries and other material on the DVD's put up so us poor overseas
<BR>people can sit back and live the event through you guys?
<BR>
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From: Gryphbear <bear.mage@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 23 Aug 2004 12:36:21 -0700

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Hello -

What if it was just a simple language transfer?

It wouldn't necessarily intrude on a person's thoughts/memories, just their 
language center. For example in Lisanne Norman's "Sholan Alliance"... we 
see our first language/culture exchange via telepathy, to speedup the 
language learning portion...

Granted, in those novels, she portrays it as a memory/language transfer 
along with cultural knowledge embedded in it. But I don't see a reason why 
one could just tap into the language center alone and draw from it, without 
even looking at their other thoughts or memories.

And of shields... yea, they can be automatic but I'm sure they take time to 
reinforce them from time to time... after all, it's their own energy, and 
it probably would fade if not tended to after a while.

-Drew


At 11:59 AM 8/23/2004, you wrote:


>--- "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
> >  The comments I made on shielding previously were
> > because I thought a TP could pick up on a sap's
> > thoughts.  While rewatching Medusa Strain today,
> > there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading
> > his mind, and John says they can only read each
> > other(TPs) minds.  Don't have the exact wording
> > available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that
> > says TP's can or can't read the thoughts of saps?
>
>This is one of the most confounded continuity issues
>in TPdom.
>
>John says that in Medusa Strain and it is stated
>elsewhere that the TPs can only telepathically
>communicate with each other, but this is contradicted
>by OTHER things said or done in the series including:
>
>Stephen altering the memories of the policemen at the
>end of "Blue and Green" to keep Chris out of jail.
>
>The explanation for how the TPs can understand the
>ancient Romans and Britains in "A Rift in Time" is
>that they telepathically translate what is being said
>to them - and the native 'hears' their response in
>his/her native tongue.  (That would have to require
>the TPs in some way reading and projecting to a Sap)
>This is never brought up again in the series, but one
>does wonder why the monks in an Indian/Tibetan (?)
>monastary would be speaking English in "Lost Gods".
>Not to mention all the alien races that seem to speak
>English. :-)  In "A Much Needed Holiday" the TPs are
>presumably using the translator from the Galactic Fed
>in order to translate the alien's language (there's a
>segment where the head alien says to John with
>surprise "You speak our language?")
>
>Tricia Conway - who is arguably a pre-TP telepath in
>the serial - is able to read Professor Cawston's mind
>in "Secret Weapon" and is hurt by the power of
>Elizabeth's telepathy.
>
>Pavla in "The Dirtiest Buisness" is said by Major
>Turner to have a 'different' type of telepathy in
>which she COMPLETELY reads the mind of anyone she
>comes into contact with - all thoughts and memories -
>without necessarily realizing what she's doing.
>
>Major Turner compares her telepathy to that of the TPs
>(while stating how Pavla's is different) implying that
>she has similar telepathic abilities to the TP.  She
>is able to read Elizabeth's mind (without being hurt),
>but we're never given the opportunity to see if she is
>able to read the minds of Saps.
>
>Although there's no basis for this other than personal
>preference, I would say it's likely that the TPs CAN
>read the minds of Saps, as well as alter their
>thoughts and memories.  Rememver that non-TPs were
>able to see Andrew's (and the other TPs) illusions.
>While not strictly telepathy, these illusions were a
>form of telepathic projection.  Perhaps John's
>comments to Chris were only meant to reassure him and
>placate him.  Perhaps if the Saps knew that the TP
>could read their minds there would be a more
>concentrated effort to control or even kill the TP.
>
> > As for shields and sleeping, I think it would
> > eventually become an automatic thing, that you would
> > have to consciously drop your shields, or they'd be
> > up all the time. I think it would be a learned
> > thing, like toilet training  : )    I like your idea
> > that you would have to deliberately 'send' a
> > message, like talking out loud.
> >
>
>I see no reason why telepathic shields couldn't remain
>up while sleeping.  You have a variety of muscles
>whose 'normal' state is to be contracted (i.e bowels,
>bladder, certain postural muscles).  It would be most
>distressing if these muscles were all to stop having
>tonus contraction while we slept! :-)
>
>Even if shields are something that at first require
>concentration, after some practice maintaining them
>might be a simple matter indeed.  (The toilet training
>example actually provides quite a good analogy.)
>
>mike
>
>
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<font size=3>Hello - <br><br>
What if it was just a simple language transfer? <br><br>
It wouldn't necessarily intrude on a person's thoughts/memories, just
their language center. For example in Lisanne Norman's &quot;Sholan
Alliance&quot;... we see our first language/culture exchange via
telepathy, to speedup the language learning portion... <br><br>
Granted, in those novels, she portrays it as a memory/language transfer
along with cultural knowledge embedded in it. But I don't see a reason
why one could just tap into the language center alone and draw from it,
without even looking at their other thoughts or memories.<br><br>
And of shields... yea, they can be automatic but I'm sure they take time
to reinforce them from time to time... after all, it's their own energy,
and it probably would fade if not tended to after a while. <br><br>
-Drew<br><br>
<br>
At 11:59 AM 8/23/2004, you wrote:<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>--- &quot;Marie H.&quot;
&lt;beckery@hiwaay.net&gt; wrote:<br><br>
&gt;&nbsp; The comments I made on shielding previously were<br>
&gt; because I thought a TP could pick up on a sap's<br>
&gt; thoughts.&nbsp; While rewatching Medusa Strain today,<br>
&gt; there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading<br>
&gt; his mind, and John says they can only read each<br>
&gt; other(TPs) minds.&nbsp; Don't have the exact wording<br>
&gt; available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that<br>
&gt; says TP's can or can't read the thoughts of saps? <br><br>
This is one of the most confounded continuity issues<br>
in TPdom.&nbsp; <br><br>
John says that in Medusa Strain and it is stated<br>
elsewhere that the TPs can only telepathically<br>
communicate with each other, but this is contradicted<br>
by OTHER things said or done in the series including:<br><br>
Stephen altering the memories of the policemen at the<br>
end of &quot;Blue and Green&quot; to keep Chris out of jail.<br><br>
The explanation for how the TPs can understand the<br>
ancient Romans and Britains in &quot;A Rift in Time&quot; is<br>
that they telepathically translate what is being said<br>
to them - and the native 'hears' their response in<br>
his/her native tongue.&nbsp; (That would have to require<br>
the TPs in some way reading and projecting to a Sap) <br>
This is never brought up again in the series, but one<br>
does wonder why the monks in an Indian/Tibetan (?)<br>
monastary would be speaking English in &quot;Lost Gods&quot;. <br>
Not to mention all the alien races that seem to speak<br>
English. :-)&nbsp; In &quot;A Much Needed Holiday&quot; the TPs are<br>
presumably using the translator from the Galactic Fed<br>
in order to translate the alien's language (there's a<br>
segment where the head alien says to John with<br>
surprise &quot;You speak our language?&quot;)&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>
Tricia Conway - who is arguably a pre-TP telepath in<br>
the serial - is able to read Professor Cawston's mind<br>
in &quot;Secret Weapon&quot; and is hurt by the power of<br>
Elizabeth's telepathy.<br><br>
Pavla in &quot;The Dirtiest Buisness&quot; is said by Major<br>
Turner to have a 'different' type of telepathy in<br>
which she COMPLETELY reads the mind of anyone she<br>
comes into contact with - all thoughts and memories -<br>
without necessarily realizing what she's doing.&nbsp; <br><br>
Major Turner compares her telepathy to that of the TPs<br>
(while stating how Pavla's is different) implying that<br>
she has similar telepathic abilities to the TP.&nbsp; She<br>
is able to read Elizabeth's mind (without being hurt),<br>
but we're never given the opportunity to see if she is<br>
able to read the minds of Saps.&nbsp; <br><br>
Although there's no basis for this other than personal<br>
preference, I would say it's likely that the TPs CAN<br>
read the minds of Saps, as well as alter their<br>
thoughts and memories.&nbsp; Rememver that non-TPs were<br>
able to see Andrew's (and the other TPs) illusions. <br>
While not strictly telepathy, these illusions were a<br>
form of telepathic projection.&nbsp; Perhaps John's<br>
comments to Chris were only meant to reassure him and<br>
placate him.&nbsp; Perhaps if the Saps knew that the TP<br>
could read their minds there would be a more<br>
concentrated effort to control or even kill the TP.&nbsp; <br><br>
&gt; As for shields and sleeping, I think it would<br>
&gt; eventually become an automatic thing, that you would<br>
&gt; have to consciously drop your shields, or they'd be<br>
&gt; up all the time. I think it would be a learned<br>
&gt; thing, like toilet training&nbsp; : )&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I like your
idea<br>
&gt; that you would have to deliberately 'send' a<br>
&gt; message, like talking out loud. <br>
&gt; <br><br>
I see no reason why telepathic shields couldn't remain<br>
up while sleeping.&nbsp; You have a variety of muscles<br>
whose 'normal' state is to be contracted (i.e bowels,<br>
bladder, certain postural muscles).&nbsp; It would be most<br>
distressing if these muscles were all to stop having<br>
tonus contraction while we slept! :-)&nbsp; <br><br>
Even if shields are something that at first require<br>
concentration, after some practice maintaining them<br>
might be a simple matter indeed.&nbsp; (The toilet training<br>
example actually provides quite a good analogy.)<br><br>
mike<br><br>
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 23 Aug 2004 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT)

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Wow.  This reads even greater depths into John's powers of condescension...

form of telepathic projection. Perhaps John's
comments to Chris were only meant to reassure him and
placate him. 


		
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<DIV>Wow.&nbsp; This reads even greater depths into John's powers of condescension...<BR><BR>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 23 Aug 2004 20:57:26 +0100

Hi All,
I have mine and spent the entire day watching and listening to them. There
are a few things I'd like to explain. Firstly you may wonder where the
filmed interview is? I asked Rev films and they informed me that the
interview is being saved for a further special edition box set release.
<sigh> more to buy...

The cast biogs for both Nigel and Misako were written by me! And I'm rather
proud of them. Rev films gave me a web site credit at the end of the
section.

The photo of Philip used at the beginning of the season six disc was one
taken at the TP dinner.  Not the best choice of image from the selection I
offered them, but a nice touch all the same.

Overall the commentary is funny and also a little poignant in places... roll
on the 90's series lol

Jackie


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:35 PM


> Hey everybody!
>
> Not trying to brag ;) but I managed to pick up my copy of the new TP DVD
box
> set for series 6, 7 and 8 today in my local MVC.
>
> I'm really looking forward to spending an evening watching the eps, and
I'm
> just wondering if anybody else has managed to pick one up?
>
> TinyTim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
> To: <tpdis@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
>
>
> Marie H. said:
> >  The comments I made on shielding previously were because I thought a TP
> > could pick up on a sap's thoughts.  While rewatching Medusa Strain
today,
> > there's a part where Ginge asks John if he's reading his mind, and John
> > says they can only read each other(TPs) minds.  Don't have the exact
> > wording available. Is there anywhere else in cannon that says TP's can
or
> > can't read the thoughts of saps?  I was thinking they didn't do it cause
> > it would be rude, but from the comment John made, maybe they just really
> > can't read anyone except other TP.
>
> How about _A Rift In Time_ where, once back in ancient Rome, John says
> that the "only power" they have left working is the ability to interpret
> the saps' brainwaves to provide language translation? That seems to me to
> at least partially contradict the "can't read a sap's mind" claim. There's
> also Tricia Conway (_Secret Weapon_, _The Revenge of Jedikiah_), who could
> read the minds of saps and did eventually break out into being a Tomorrow
> Person. Don't forget Pavla (_The Dirtiest Business_), who read the minds
> of saps with ease -- but although Mike considered her a TP, there's been
> some controversy on the list as to whether she'd really qualify.
>
> My personal explanation is as follows. If you think of the part of the
> mind that enables telepathy as a kind of radio, both saps and TP's have
> much the same "equipment" - it's just that the TP have much better
> "amplifiers" and "antennas". Because they are able to pick up low-power
> signals, they can pick up mental cues that enable them to interpret
> language, and because they can transmit at high power, they can get a
> signal through to the saps that makes them think the TP is speaking their
> language. Given the limitations of the "gear" in the sap mind, this can
> only work at close range -- say, the same as for easy vocal conversation.
>
> (I don't recall if this was ever said in the original series, but in a
> couple of the recent audio stories, remarks have been made about "mental
> noise" in proximity to a lot of saps; this would make sense from this
> perspective.)
>
> Also consider the mental discipline involved; there were many mentions in
> the series about new TP's having to be taught to use their powers, and at
> one point TIM makes a remark about not being able to easily detect "wild"
> signals -- he's set up primarily to deal with trained minds. However you
> think of it, saps probably emit a jumble of stream-of-consciousness
> rubbish, while a trained TP is able to focus what he or she is sending to
> make it easier to receive. Thus, I think the original bit about TP's being
> "unable" to read the minds of saps was perhaps a bit of an exaggeration;
> in my theory, it would be possible -- but could only be done at close
> range, and would be extremely tedious and tiring for the TP trying to sort
> out meaning from the noise. Add a dash of ethical resistance to being a
> voyeur when the subject can't do anything to protect him/herself, and you
> wind up with a situation where while it's just barely *possible*, it's too
> difficult and ethically frowned-upon to do.
>
> [In this view, Pavla would be unique mainly for having the ability to
> easily sift meaning from the noise, rather than solely for being able to
> read the minds of saps. And we can perhaps at least partly explain Tricia
> -- especially given her employer -- by noting that she didn't seem to have
> any ethical problems with reading people's minds without permission. It
> was clearly a strain for her, though, and her readings weren't always
> clear or complete.]
>
> > I have to go rethink all my
> > assumptions about telepaths... at least in context of this show.  I
think
> > I was combining bits and pieces from The Tomorrow People and other SF
> > I've read about telepaths.
>
> Yes, one doesn't want to go combining these things without being aware of
> it. I do think some of the ideas from Julian May's Galactic Milieu books,
> much of which revolve around what she calls "metapsychic" powers are
> interesting in a TP context, though. When it comes to telepathy, she has
> the idea of a "declamatory mode" that is like speaking out loud in a room
> full of people, and an "intimate mode" that's intended for just one person
> - like whispering in their ear. Although this was an area that wasn't
> really addressed in the series, I wouldn't be surprised if TP had this
> sort of discrimination.
>
> George
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 23 Aug 2004 16:00:21 EDT


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> Rev films and they informed me that the
> interview is being saved for a further special edition box set release.
> <sigh> more to buy...
> 
> 

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From: Wendy Perkins <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 23 Aug 2004 16:49:42 -0500

<html>
<blockquote type=cite cite>&gt;But I don't see a reason why one could
just tap into the language center alone and draw from it,
</blockquote>&gt;without even looking at their other thoughts or
memories.<br>
<br>
The only problem with this theory is that there's no such thing as the
language center. There're several sections of the brain that deal with
language in one or more aspects, and they seem to be spread all over the
brain. Recent research on stuttering, for example, seems to indicate that
it's an auditory processing problem, not a speech production
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From: "Martin Dunne" <martindunne@bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Telepathic Shields
Date: 24 Aug 2004 14:19:07 +0930


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:29 AM


>
> --- "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >. Is there anywhere else in cannon that
> > says TP's can or can't read the thoughts of saps?
>
> This is one of the most confounded continuity issues
> in TPdom.

[snip]

And one you've made quite a definitive address of!
I always felt they imply that breaking out involved involuntary telepathy of
saps (until One Law when it is made very clear that it is only between
telepaths), but on reviewing Slaves of Jedikiah I am less sure.
Has anyone else ever gotten that impression?

Martin





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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT)

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Since they've already released all 8 seasons, what would they put on a further box set?  Do you know if the series 6-8 set will be sold on any websites that accept foreign credit cards?  I wrote to amazon and they sent me a very lengthy non-answer.
 
-Jasmine
Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes: 


Rev films and they informed me that the 
interview is being saved for a further special edition box set release. 
<sigh> more to buy... 


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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 14:46:27 +0100

Here are Revelation's exact words. Read into it what you like?

'The cast interviews were filmed specifically for a Complete Box Set, so
they
will be out at a later date.'

MVC have the exclusive at the moment, so you'll have to wait for a few
months then other retailers will have it. From the comment above, it may be
a good idea to wait for this complete set. I'm guessing that it implies
we'll have to buy the entire series again just to see the interviews.
Grrr... At least I know what was said already lol

Jackie

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:41 PM


> Since they've already released all 8 seasons, what would they put on a
further box set?  Do you know if the series 6-8 set will be sold on any
websites that accept foreign credit cards?  I wrote to amazon and they sent
me a very lengthy non-answer.
>
> -Jasmine
> Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
>
>
> Rev films and they informed me that the
> interview is being saved for a further special edition box set release.
> <sigh> more to buy...
>
>
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>
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT)

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Thanks, Jackie.  I agree with your interpretation.  I think it means they're going to release a box set of series 1-8, with the interview as an extra, in an attempt to make die-hard fans buy everything again.  Oh, it ticks me off.  They could at least find some Lost German Episodes to stick on it, or something...
 
-Jasmine  

Jackie Clark <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Here are Revelation's exact words. Read into it what you like?

'The cast interviews were filmed specifically for a Complete Box Set, so
they
will be out at a later date.'

MVC have the exclusive at the moment, so you'll have to wait for a few
months then other retailers will have it. From the comment above, it may be
a good idea to wait for this complete set. I'm guessing that it implies
we'll have to buy the entire series again just to see the interviews.
Grrr... At least I know what was said already lol





		
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Here are Revelation's exact words. Read into it what you like?<BR><BR>'The cast interviews were filmed specifically for a Complete Box Set, so<BR>they<BR>will be out at a later date.'<BR><BR>MVC have the exclusive at the moment, so you'll have to wait for a few<BR>months then other retailers will have it. From the comment above, it may be<BR>a good idea to wait for this complete set. I'm guessing that it implies<BR>we'll have to buy the entire series again just to see the interviews.<BR>Grrr... At least I know what was said already lol<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 15:00:20 +0100

If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let them put
up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on from 'War of the Empires.'
But as Jason pointed out to the Revelation people, it is impossible as they
were never actually made and therefore no royalties have ever been paid. The
Script/writers/copyright people would not be at all happy... But I dream of
the day I can get them to a photocopier ;-D

Jackie


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> Thanks, Jackie.  I agree with your interpretation.  I think it means
they're going to release a box set of series 1-8, with the interview as an
extra, in an attempt to make die-hard fans buy everything again.  Oh, it
ticks me off.  They could at least find some Lost German Episodes to stick
on it, or something...
>
> -Jasmine
>
> Jackie Clark <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Here are Revelation's exact words. Read into it what you like?
>
> 'The cast interviews were filmed specifically for a Complete Box Set, so
> they
> will be out at a later date.'
>
> MVC have the exclusive at the moment, so you'll have to wait for a few
> months then other retailers will have it. From the comment above, it may
be
> a good idea to wait for this complete set. I'm guessing that it implies
> we'll have to buy the entire series again just to see the interviews.
> Grrr... At least I know what was said already lol
>
>
>
>
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From: sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 15:58:36 +0100

All the covers and the box itself are emblazoned with the following text.=
..................

"Includes the funniest commentaries available on DVD"

Surely they can't be as good as the ones that slipped through the BBFC's
net, can they?


Interestingly on the reverse/inside cover of all of the discs is a montag=
e
picture of all of the TPs, with one notable exception, no prizes for gues=
sing
the absentee!!!

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Kenny?

sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk wrote:Interestingly on the reverse/inside cover of all of the discs is a montage
picture of all of the TPs, with one notable exception, no prizes for guessing
the absentee!!!

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From: gewertime@vassar.edu
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT)

I'm thinking Stephen. (Though they might have two Mikes, one of them
standing in for PVC!)

   - Geoff

> Kenny?
>
> sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk wrote:Interestingly on the reverse/inside cover of all
> of the discs is a montage
> picture of all of the TPs, with one notable exception, no prizes for
> guessing
> the absentee!!!



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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 10:18:57 -0500

>Since they've already released all 8 seasons, what would they put on a=
 further box set?  Do you know if the series 6-8 set will be sold on any=
 websites that accept foreign credit cards?  I wrote to amazon and they sent=
 me a very lengthy non-answer.   -Jasmine=20

Try Tower...  http://uk.towerrecords.com  That's where I finally found it=
 yesterday.  Kept finding places that had it, but wouldn't ship to the US. =
 Tower is showing it as backordered today, though.  Let you know when I find=
 out that it's actually shipping.  If you find someplace that will ship=
 immediately, *please* let me know!  LOL!!  I was disappointed that=
 Amazon.UK didn't have it, cause that's where I ordered the rest from.=20

Marie=20

=20





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Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
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>Try Tower... http://uk.towerrecords.com That's where I finally found it yesterday. Kept 
 
Thanks, Marie.






		
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From: sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 17:04:02 +0000

As Hong Kong Phooney once said, "Could be!!!"

>-- Original Message --
>Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:08:38 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
>To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
>Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com


>Kenny?


>sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk wrote:Interestingly on the reverse/inside cover of
all
>of the discs is a montage
>picture of all of the TPs, with one notable exception, no prizes for gue=
ssing
>the absentee!!!


__________________________________________________________________
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 13:48:03 EDT


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In a message dated 8/24/04 10:00:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:


> If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let them put
> up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on from 'War of the Empires.'
> But as Jason pointed out to the Revelation people, it is impossible as they
> were never actually made and therefore no royalties have ever been paid. The
> Script/writers/copyright people would not be at all happy... But I dream of
> the day I can get them to a photocopier ;-D
> 
> 

Huh? Why can't you copy them now and put them up? Besides that, why can't the 
DVD people pay the rights to the writer, which is probably Roger Price. ANd 
get them on a DVD? 

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rites:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If only there were no copyr=
ight implications &lt;sigh&gt; Mike could let them put
<BR>up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on from 'War of the Empire=
s.'
<BR>But as Jason pointed out to the Revelation people, it is impossible as t=
hey
<BR>were never actually made and therefore no royalties have ever been paid.=
 The
<BR>Script/writers/copyright people would not be at all happy... But I dream=
 of
<BR>the day I can get them to a photocopier ;-D
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
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=3D"0">
<BR>Huh? Why can't you copy them now and put them up? Besides that, why can'=
t the DVD people pay the rights to the writer, which is probably Roger Price=
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 18:52:28 +0100


I can't copy them as Mike still hasn't made contact despite promising an
interview with me some time ago. And, yes, Roger does own the copyright but
with no one knowing where he is, there is no way of paying him.

Believe me, we discussed this at length on my day at the recording session
and the 'people in the know' were adamant that it would cause more legal
problems than Rev films could handle.

One day <sigh> we'll get to see them.

Jackie


>
>
> > If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let them
put
> > up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on from 'War of the
Empires.'
> > But as Jason pointed out to the Revelation people, it is impossible as
they
> > were never actually made and therefore no royalties have ever been paid.
The
> > Script/writers/copyright people would not be at all happy... But I dream
of
> > the day I can get them to a photocopier ;-D
> >
> >
>
> Huh? Why can't you copy them now and put them up? Besides that, why can't
the
> DVD people pay the rights to the writer, which is probably Roger Price.
ANd
> get them on a DVD?
>





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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 14:07:27 EDT


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In a message dated 8/24/04 1:52:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:


> 
> 
> I can't copy them as Mike still hasn't made contact despite promising an
> interview with me some time ago. And, yes, Roger does own the copyright but
> with no one knowing where he is, there is no way of paying him.
> 
> Believe me, we discussed this at length on my day at the recording session
> and the 'people in the know' were adamant that it would cause more legal
> problems than Rev films could handle.
> 
> One day <sigh> we'll get to see them.
> 
> 

Thanks for your effort. What about just reviewing them in an article and 
synopsis without showing them, ONCE Mike does give you the scripts to copy or 
read? That way it's just a factual article andnot the actual scripts. Another 
thing is: I take it that the four scripts equal one four part story OR two two 
part stories? Do we even know the title?

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ites:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>
<BR>I can't copy them as Mike still hasn't made contact despite promising an
<BR>interview with me some time ago. And, yes, Roger does own the copyright=20=
but
<BR>with no one knowing where he is, there is no way of paying him.
<BR>
<BR>Believe me, we discussed this at length on my day at the recording sessi=
on
<BR>and the 'people in the know' were adamant that it would cause more legal
<BR>problems than Rev films could handle.
<BR>
<BR>One day &lt;sigh&gt; we'll get to see them.
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Thanks for your effort. What about just reviewing them in an article and=
 synopsis without showing them, ONCE Mike does give you the scripts to copy=20=
or read? That way it's just a factual article andnot the actual scripts. Ano=
ther thing is: I take it that the four scripts equal one four part story OR=20=
two two part stories? Do we even know the title?</FONT></HTML>

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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 14:07:50 EDT


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In a message dated 8/24/04 11:30:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jmsadrieh@yahoo.com writes:


> 
> 
> "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>  
> >Try Tower... http://uk.towerrecords.com That's where I finally found it 
> yesterday. Kept 
>  
> 

YES THANK YOU ! FOR THAT GREAT TIP!

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<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
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<BR>
<BR><B><I>"Marie H." &lt;beckery@hiwaay.net&gt;</B></I> wrote:
<BR>=20
<BR>&gt;Try Tower... http://uk.towerrecords.com That's where I finally found=
 it yesterday. Kept=20
<BR>=20
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
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From: "Simon Fraser" <simonf78@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 19:42:53 +0100

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Well!

Seeing as I've just finished watching the final story, I'd thought I'd =
give my comments on the eps.

Now, I'm not going to include spoiler space, but I am going to try not =
to spoil.. these are more my personal opinions on the stories rather =
than specific recaps :)

Anyway!

Starting with 'The Lost Gods'

I personally thought this was probably the weakest serial in the whole =
box set.  It reminded me of some of the season 4/5 stories that where =
rather weak.  I thought Hsui Tai wasn't as bad as I'd been fearing, and =
(outside of this serial) she doesn't normally get a lot to do.  The =
storyline was okay, but I did feel Hsui Tai did take not being a godess =
rather well!

Hitler's Last Secret

I loved this serial!  It's probably my second favourite in the whole =
series now I've seen them all (second only to Castle Of Fear.. but I'll =
come to that ;)
The storyline was excellent, the acting was IMO above par for a TP =
serial, and it was seriously disturbing in places, especially the =
sequence near the begining where the Nazi youth are trying to shoot the =
deserter!  All in all, a really excellent serial that had a good strong =
storyline and good characterisation.

The Thargon Menace

Another good one.. even though I kinda clicked early due to the titles =
that the two Thargon escapees where meant to be the 'baddies' in this =
context.  Certainly interesting, it did however for me have shades of 'A =
Man For Emily' which made me shudder a bit ;)  The ending was VERY =
shocking... I just didn't think they would be that abrupt.

Castle Of Fear

Absolutely stunning stuff!!  I thought this serial was just really =
really cool, and it had all the things that I really enjoy about the TP. =
 The illusionary battle between John and Andrew was really cool, and =
again it was slightly darker than previous serials, especially the =
scenes with Andrew and his father.  All in all, very cool.. and also, =
imo the start of a season that appeared to be pretty much centered on =
Andrew.  John and Mike had quite a bit to do I suppose, but most of the =
three serial in Series 7, (and the one storyline in Series 8) all =
appeared to be quite Andrew heavy.

Achilles Heel

Very cool serial with some laugh out loud moments (and yes! I'll admit =
to laughing at both scenes when Andrew gets 'zapped'!)  The acting here =
was also very good, and again, the ending was very similar to that of =
The Thargon Menace.  IMO it was theme of almost all of the serials in =
this box set that they are considerably more 'mature' than earlier =
efforts.

Living Skins

A cool serial, if a bit silly in places.  Probably my least fav of the =
three serials in series 7, but the visual of Andrew being assaulted by a =
jumpsuit was very amusing!
I liked the way they managed to deal with the threat, but it was =
probably not quite as good as the previous stories.

War Of The Empires

Very good story, which was probably fitting as the last storyline for =
the original Tommorrow People series.  Again, lots of things going on, =
and Andrew saving the day on more than one occasion.  Some good humour =
in this story too, and generally ok acting too.

Well!  Sorry for rambling on, but I'd though I'd share my opinions with =
the list, seeing as I don't normally post all that much.  I'm in chat =
now on irc.sorcery.net channel #tomorrowpeople and will be for an hour =
or so.

Thanks for letting me rant on!

TinyTim



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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the final=20
story, I'd thought I'd give my comments on the eps.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now, I'm not going to include spoiler =
space, but I=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Starting with 'The Lost =
Gods'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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the weakest=20
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as I'd=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I loved this serial!&nbsp; It's =
probably my second=20
favourite in the whole series now I've seen them all (second only to =
Castle Of=20
Fear.. but I'll come to that ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The storyline was excellent, the acting =
was IMO=20
above par for a TP serial, and it was seriously disturbing in places, =
especially=20
the sequence near the begining where the Nazi youth are trying to shoot =
the=20
deserter!&nbsp; All in all, a really excellent serial that had a good =
strong=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Thargon Menace</FONT></DIV>
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the=20
'baddies' in this context.&nbsp; Certainly interesting, it did however =
for me=20
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;)&nbsp; The=20
ending was VERY shocking... I just didn't think they would be that=20
abrupt.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Castle Of Fear</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Absolutely stunning stuff!!&nbsp; I =
thought this=20
serial was just really really cool, and it had all the things that I =
really=20
enjoy about the TP.&nbsp; The illusionary battle between John and Andrew =
was=20
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especially=20
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also,=20
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the=20
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appeared to be=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Achilles Heel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Very cool serial with some laugh out =
loud moments=20
(and yes! I'll admit to laughing at both scenes when Andrew gets=20
'zapped'!)&nbsp; The acting here was also very good, and again, the =
ending was=20
very similar to that of The Thargon Menace.&nbsp; IMO it was theme of =
almost all=20
of the serials in this box set that they are considerably more 'mature' =
than=20
earlier efforts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Living Skins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A cool serial, if a bit silly in =
places.&nbsp;=20
Probably my least fav of the three serials in series 7, but the visual =
of Andrew=20
being assaulted by a jumpsuit was very amusing!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I liked the way they managed to deal =
with the=20
threat, but it was probably not quite as good as the previous=20
stories.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>War Of The Empires</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Very good story, which was probably =
fitting as the=20
last storyline for the original Tommorrow People series.&nbsp; Again, =
lots of=20
things going on, and Andrew saving the day on more than one =
occasion.&nbsp; Some=20
good humour in this story too, and generally ok acting too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well!&nbsp; Sorry for rambling on, but =
I'd though=20
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that=20
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and will=20
be for an hour or so.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for letting me rant =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 19:45:04 +0100

So sorry, I don't. I don't think he even remembers, but there was so much
chat about the prices on ebay I guess he'll keep things close to his chest
from now on.

I promise that as soon as I speak with him again it'll be one of my first
questions.

Jackie


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Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:07 PM


> In a message dated 8/24/04 1:52:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> > I can't copy them as Mike still hasn't made contact despite promising an
> > interview with me some time ago. And, yes, Roger does own the copyright
but
> > with no one knowing where he is, there is no way of paying him.
> >
> > Believe me, we discussed this at length on my day at the recording
session
> > and the 'people in the know' were adamant that it would cause more legal
> > problems than Rev films could handle.
> >
> > One day <sigh> we'll get to see them.
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for your effort. What about just reviewing them in an article and
> synopsis without showing them, ONCE Mike does give you the scripts to copy
or
> read? That way it's just a factual article andnot the actual scripts.
Another
> thing is: I take it that the four scripts equal one four part story OR two
two
> part stories? Do we even know the title?
>





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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 15:06:26 EDT


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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 14:12:26 -0500

Don't get too excited yet.  I emailed Tower to ask when it would be=
 available, and they said that they have no idea, because it's a special=
 order. =20

So, has anyone with their hands on a copy had a chance to listen to the=
 commentaries yet?  Are Nick and PVC as uncensored and funny as they were on=
 the previous DVD's? Cause, honestly, their commentaries are about the only=
 reason I want the last set of DVD's. =20

Marie


>In a message dated 8/24/04 11:30:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmsadrieh@yah=
oo.com writes:  =20
>  "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:   >Try Tower... http://uk.towerrec=
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>  YES THANK YOU ! FOR THAT GREAT TIP!


=20





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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 15:29:38 EDT


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well if it's from the UK it's probably censored. Honestly I recently got a 
LAND OF THE GIANTS dvd taped off  British TV and they cut the silliest things. 
Steve, to get Barry and Betty and himself out of a cave magnetic trap, has to 
break glass on the machine, pull a wire end and push it into the glass, causing 
it to short circuit. His move in doing so was cut out! I thought England was 
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From: "Steve C" <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 23:03:12 +0100

Surely Roger Price's in Canada, perhaps someone at that Canadian kids
channel will have a way of contacting him!

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:52 PM


>
> I can't copy them as Mike still hasn't made contact despite promising an
> interview with me some time ago. And, yes, Roger does own the copyright
but
> with no one knowing where he is, there is no way of paying him.
>
> Believe me, we discussed this at length on my day at the recording session
> and the 'people in the know' were adamant that it would cause more legal
> problems than Rev films could handle.
>
> One day <sigh> we'll get to see them.
>
> Jackie
>
>
> >
> >
> > > If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let
them
> put
> > > up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on from 'War of the
> Empires.'
> > > But as Jason pointed out to the Revelation people, it is impossible as
> they
> > > were never actually made and therefore no royalties have ever been
paid.
> The
> > > Script/writers/copyright people would not be at all happy... But I
dream
> of
> > > the day I can get them to a photocopier ;-D
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Huh? Why can't you copy them now and put them up? Besides that, why
can't
> the
> > DVD people pay the rights to the writer, which is probably Roger Price.
> ANd
> > get them on a DVD?
> >
>
>
>




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From: "Steve C" <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 24 Aug 2004 23:05:51 +0100

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We are, the show may have been cut for reasons other than censorship!

(Another) Steve
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From: "Martin Dunne" <martindunne@bigpond.com.au>
Subject: TPDIS: The Tharog Menace (possible spoliers)
Date: 25 Aug 2004 15:11:25 +0930

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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:36 AM


> Thargon Menace was sometimes very embarassing.

Yes.
Yes it was.
It's been so long (...) since I saw it, does it end with a big Papa Minn
head in space, vowing "I shall return"?
Or am I getting it mixed up with The Lion King? Again?

Martin?





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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 06:36:37 -0700 (PDT)


--- Steve C <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Surely Roger Price's in Canada, perhaps someone at
> that Canadian kids
> channel will have a way of contacting him!
> 

No one seems to know for sure where Roger Price is
these days.  Some suggestions have been Canada and
others have been France.  

I'm not sure what you mean by Canadian kids channel. 
You Can't Do That On Television was originally
broadcast on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
which (at the time) was Canada's only national
television broadcasting company.  

If you mean Nickolodeon, they're a cable company owned
by Viacom (which is based in France, oddly enough).  

In the commentaries Nick, Phil, PVC, and the guys from
Big Finish have all commented on the fact that no one
seems to be able to find Roger.  Jackie has been
unable to unearth him as well - and she's had
marvelous success with finding almost all of the cast.
 (At this point the only cast members I haven't heard
of her being able to find were Stephen Salmon and
Misako Kobe)  I believe someone even mentioned the
fact that there is an account set up for him in a
London bank with his unclaimed royalties - because the
folks at Thames don't even know how to reach him.  

Maybe he's out hanging with Amelia Earhart somewhere?

mike




	
		
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 06:37:55 -0700 (PDT)

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Is anyone even sure he's still alive?  Not to be a ghoul; it's just he seems to be terribly mysterious...

Steve C <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:Surely Roger Price's in Canada, perhaps someone at that Canadian kids
channel will have a way of contacting him!

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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 06:40:09 -0700 (PDT)


--- "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Try Tower...  http://uk.towerrecords.com  That's
> where I finally found it yesterday.  Kept finding
> places that had it, but wouldn't ship to the US. 
> Tower is showing it as backordered today, though. 

Since MVC has a six month exclusive on the box sets, I
don't see how this could be possible.  Are you sure
it's the Series 6,7,8 box set and not the Series 4,5
box set, which recently came up for availability?  

I'd love to get my hands on the last set quicker than
six months, but I somehow doubt it's gonna happen.

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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 08:39:06 -0500

 >No one seems to know for sure where Roger Price is
>these days.  Some suggestions have been Canada and
>others have been France.  


anybody checked the Trig? : )

 





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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 08:45:32 -0500

I'm sure which box set is on backorder.  Got the 4&5 box set from AmazonUK.  I'm guessing the 6 month exclusivity is why Tower can't say when it will be available.  Which totally sucks.  Anybody else found it somewhere that will ship to the US?

>--- "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
>> Try Tower...  http://uk.towerrecords.com  That's
>> where I finally found it yesterday.  Kept finding
>> places that had it, but wouldn't ship to the US. 
>> Tower is showing it as backordered today, though. 
>
>Since MVC has a six month exclusive on the box sets, I
>don't see how this could be possible.  Are you sure
>it's the Series 6,7,8 box set and not the Series 4,5
>box set, which recently came up for availability?  
>
>I'd love to get my hands on the last set quicker than
>six months, but I somehow doubt it's gonna happen.
>
>mike
>
>
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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 07:03:03 -0700 (PDT)

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My brother-in-law worked at Nickelodeon until recently (until a few weeks ago--now he works at Comedy Central, which I think is affiliated with it).  He has one of those jobs where no one really knows what he does (not even my sister, who's married to him).  If anyone thinks something can be gained by asking him questions, let me know.  They live 5 floors up from me.
 
-Jasmine

Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- Steve C wrote:

> Surely Roger Price's in Canada, perhaps someone at
> that Canadian kids
> channel will have a way of contacting him!
> 

No one seems to know for sure where Roger Price is
these days. Some suggestions have been Canada and
others have been France. 

I'm not sure what you mean by Canadian kids channel. 
You Can't Do That On Television was originally
broadcast on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
which (at the time) was Canada's only national
television broadcasting company. 

If you mean Nickolodeon, they're a cable company owned
by Viacom (which is based in France, oddly enough). 


		
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<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>Michael Matott &lt;greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Roger P
Date: 25 Aug 2004 15:09:13 +0100

When Channel 4 tried to contact him for the recent (or not so recent, now)
'Top Ten' show they contacted Nickelodeon who told them that Roger only ever
had a PO Box in Canada as an address, even when he worked on the NS. They
tried this but it 'no longer exists', to quote from the show... (does anyone
recognise where? character, story and scene please???)

I was amazed that he didn't appear at Philip's funeral, and as I've
mentioned to people before, I did have a good look at everyone there to see
if he had snuck in ;-)

Nick, PVC and Mike believe he's still too upset by the insinuations made
during the show's run, and this can't be helped by the digs they constantly
make throughout the commentaries. Unless he wants to be found, I guess
there's not much we can do.

Jackie

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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:37 PM


> Is anyone even sure he's still alive?  Not to be a ghoul; it's just he
seems to be terribly mysterious...
>
> Steve C <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:Surely Roger Price's in Canada,
perhaps someone at that Canadian kids
> channel will have a way of contacting him!
>
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>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 15:18:30 +0100

>  (At this point the only cast members I haven't heard
> of her being able to find were Stephen Salmon and
> Misako Kobe)

I did see an article about someone who unfortunately committed suicide who's
name was Stephen Salmon, but have never had any clue as to where I should
start looking for him, so have had little luck on that score. There is no
way of telling whether this tradgedy was our Stephen or not!

But I do know something of Misako. A few years ago someone contacted me and
said that she had been killed in a road accident. I recall telling Nick
about it at the time. Then just last year before the dinner a family friend
of hers sent me an article about her daughter gaining a music scholarship
and sent me a home address. I have written to her on a number of occasions,
but unfortunately she has never replied. The friend told me that she still
speeks very poor english and would not really want to speak with fans etc.

The amusing tale which goes with this involves the DVD commentaries. There
is a very small spoiler here, so I'll leave a gap.
S
P
O
I
L
E
T
S
P
A
C
E

In the commentary of Lost Gods, Nick is heard to say that she is dead and
they go on to laugh about her acting and speach. When I arrived later in the
morning they mentined this to me and I said ... 'No, I thought she was dead,
but recenelty have learnt that she's alive and living in ......... So in the
latter stories they start going on about how good she is and how wonderful
her acting is etc. The poor man from Revelations was sitting on the edge of
the sofa mumbling about law suits and them making it *too* obvious! It was
very funny indeed.

Jackie






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From: starr@planet.eon.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 08:40:45 -0600

Quoting Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>:
> I'm not sure what you mean by Canadian kids channel. 
> You Can't Do That On Television was originally
> broadcast on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
> which (at the time) was Canada's only national
> television broadcasting company.  

YTV is the Canadian kids' channel (The Y is for Youth, not to be confused with 
the British YTV where the Y stands for Yorkshire). They broadcast YCDTOT reruns 
and the Tomorrow People OS early in their existence (mid eighties), but never 
showed the NS as far as I know. They do buy a lot of Nicklodeon programming, 
and they were the official "Buffy" station in Canada.

Oh, and by the way, we had even at that time at least one other "national" 
broadcaster - CTV. CTV has been around as long as I can remember (I'm 46). The 
difference between them and CBC is that CTV is privately owned, while CBC is 
the public broadcaster. I am a CBC fan, myself. I used to watch the OS on CBC 
on Saturday mornings in the 70's.

Jane Starr
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada




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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger P
Date: 25 Aug 2004 07:49:05 -0700 (PDT)

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"The Deadliest Species"--the Sorson henchman-captain, talking about the defector...

Jackie Clark <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> wrote:tried this but it 'no longer exists', to quote from the show... (does anyone
recognise where? character, story and scene please???)



		
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger P
Date: 25 Aug 2004 15:50:42 +0100

Nope, sorry, that was not what I was thinking of... try again?


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> "The Deadliest Species"--the Sorson henchman-captain, talking about the
defector...
>
> Jackie Clark <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk> wrote:tried this but it 'no
longer exists', to quote from the show... (does anyone
> recognise where? character, story and scene please???)
>
>
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger P
Date: 25 Aug 2004 10:51:08 EDT


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In a message dated 8/25/2004 9:49:33 AM Central Standard Time,  
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger P
Date: 25 Aug 2004 15:52:42 +0100

Well done! you got it right... anyone interested in guessing more?


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:51 PM


>
> In "Secret Weapon" - Liz says it to Col. Masters after the PM  destroys
the
> micro mind control device
>
> Viv
>
>
> In a message dated 8/25/2004 9:49:33 AM Central Standard Time,
> jmsadrieh@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> tried  this but it 'no longer exists', to quote from the show... (does
anyone
> recognise where? character, story and scene  please???)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Tharog Menace (possible spoliers)
Date: 25 Aug 2004 13:43:29 EDT


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No but Papa Mien 's head does superimpose over the cities of the world during 
his statements. It ends with his death in the Thargon shuttle as blasted by 
the Thargon thick ship or whatever they called it. He and Flyn and Sula die! 
YAY! But they return in fan fiction, including my own. NAY!

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From: M K <mck17524@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger P
Date: 25 Aug 2004 11:24:44 -0700 (PDT)

Sorry to be morbid, but...

Could it be possible he's passed away and none of us
(cast included) saw the obituary?

Has anyone checked the records?





		
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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 14:40:11 -0400

Martin (my husband) is more than  willing to try and track him down. If anyone knows when it date of birth is, that will help immensely. Any information anyone has on the elisuve Mr. Price will be very useful
Toreen



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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 06:45:26 +1000

On 25 Aug 2004 at 14:40, ToreenLyn@aol.com wrote:

> Martin (my husband) is more than  willing to try and track him 
> down. If anyone knows when it date of birth is, that will help 
> immensely. Any information anyone has on the elisuve Mr. Price 
> will be very useful

Personally I think his privacy should be respected. If he wanted 
people to know he was around, and where he was, I'm pretty sure he 
wouldn't find it that hard.

Much as, from the perspective of a fan, I would love someone to 
make real contact with him again, I would assume he's choosing not 
to be accessible, and that choice should be respected.


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thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From: "Steve C" <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 22:17:29 +0100

Yes that's the one, YTV.  It's my understanding that this channel employed
Roger on a loose 'overseeing' type of role, for two reason, one through
YCDTOTV (which they re-ran and re-made) and secondly he was friends with one
of the channel's originators.  I read the info on the web somewhere through
a Google search, I assumed this was common knowledge here!

Steve


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:40 PM


> Quoting Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>:
> > I'm not sure what you mean by Canadian kids channel.
> > You Can't Do That On Television was originally
> > broadcast on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
> > which (at the time) was Canada's only national
> > television broadcasting company.
>
> YTV is the Canadian kids' channel (The Y is for Youth, not to be confused
with
> the British YTV where the Y stands for Yorkshire). They broadcast YCDTOT
reruns
> and the Tomorrow People OS early in their existence (mid eighties), but
never
> showed the NS as far as I know. They do buy a lot of Nicklodeon
programming,
> and they were the official "Buffy" station in Canada.
>
> Oh, and by the way, we had even at that time at least one other "national"
> broadcaster - CTV. CTV has been around as long as I can remember (I'm 46).
The
> difference between them and CBC is that CTV is privately owned, while CBC
is
> the public broadcaster. I am a CBC fan, myself. I used to watch the OS on
CBC
> on Saturday mornings in the 70's.
>
> Jane Starr
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>
>




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From: "Steve C" <sjcuk@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger Price, Where are Yooou!! (Was New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 25 Aug 2004 22:20:54 +0100

To be fair Shaun, I don't think anyone is suggesting bugging the man or
anything, just a simple check to see that he's well and aware of how his
original series is still enlightening many after so many years.


Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:45 PM


> On 25 Aug 2004 at 14:40, ToreenLyn@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Martin (my husband) is more than  willing to try and track him
> > down. If anyone knows when it date of birth is, that will help
> > immensely. Any information anyone has on the elisuve Mr. Price
> > will be very useful
>
> Personally I think his privacy should be respected. If he wanted
> people to know he was around, and where he was, I'm pretty sure he
> wouldn't find it that hard.
>
> Much as, from the perspective of a fan, I would love someone to
> make real contact with him again, I would assume he's choosing not
> to be accessible, and that choice should be respected.
>
>
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
> (ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200
> "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
> thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the
> facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be
> uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that
> need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
> Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia
>
>




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From: "robert gudgeon" <robertgudgeona@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 07:49:45 +1000

I just got this this is like the job from the drew  show were he didnt know 
what his job was.
Robert


>From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
>Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>My brother-in-law worked at Nickelodeon until recently (until a few weeks 
>ago--now he works at Comedy Central, which I think is affiliated with it).  
>He has one of those jobs where no one really knows what he does (not even 
>my sister, who's married to him).  If anyone thinks something can be gained 
>by asking him questions, let me know.  They live 5 floors up from me.
>
>-Jasmine
>
>Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>--- Steve C wrote:
>
> > Surely Roger Price's in Canada, perhaps someone at
> > that Canadian kids
> > channel will have a way of contacting him!
> >
>
>No one seems to know for sure where Roger Price is
>these days. Some suggestions have been Canada and
>others have been France.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by Canadian kids channel.
>You Can't Do That On Television was originally
>broadcast on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
>which (at the time) was Canada's only national
>television broadcasting company.
>
>If you mean Nickolodeon, they're a cable company owned
>by Viacom (which is based in France, oddly enough).
>
>
>
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From: Wendy Perkins <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: TPDIS: ADMIN: Posting limit
Date: 25 Aug 2004 19:51:21 -0500

With the new Big Finish audio out, the last boxed set, and the upcoming
audios the list's traffic has picked up. 

I know it can be difficult with all the different threads, but please
remember to restrict posts to no more than five per 24 hours. If you have a
lot of one-liners or other brief comments, it is more polite to combine
them all into one or two larger posts (with appropriate quotations) than to
send many messages to the list over a short period of time.

Your fellow listees will appreciate it because they won't have to download
as much mail, and your admins will appreciate it (especially me) because we
won't have to download as many bounced and failed messages.

Thanks for your cooperation.

...
Wendy




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From: Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 20:04:44 -0700 (PDT)


--- starr@planet.eon.net wrote:

> Quoting Michael Matott <greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com>:
> Oh, and by the way, we had even at that time at
> least one other "national" 
> broadcaster - CTV. CTV has been around as long as I
> can remember (I'm 46). The 
> difference between them and CBC is that CTV is
> privately owned, while CBC is 
> the public broadcaster. I am a CBC fan, myself. I
> used to watch the OS on CBC 
> on Saturday mornings in the 70's.

Thanks, Jane for the correction.  Sorry that I forgot
about CTV!  For some reason I didn't think they went
'national' until the 80's.  

And besides, we only had CBC in upstate New York when
I was a kid. (70's and early 80's) :-)  We didn't get
CTV until later.  Maybe that's why I thought it was
later.

mike





	
		
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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger Price, Where are Yooou!! (Was New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 26 Aug 2004 15:23:03 +1000

On 25 Aug 2004 at 22:20, Steve C wrote:

> To be fair Shaun, I don't think anyone is suggesting bugging the man or
> anything, just a simple check to see that he's well and aware of how his
> original series is still enlightening many after so many years.

No, I'm sure nobody is suggesting bugging him - but the problem is 
we have no way of knowing what he would regard as an intrusion.

Back in the mid 1990s, he had some online presence - there was an 
e-mail address for him on the web, associated with the work he was 
doing at the time - I don't really understand the details but it 
seemed to be in relation to a video about how to legally avoid 
paying tax. I think all that is left of that online is one picture 
of him, I snaffled from the site before it went down. But he was 
online, so if he wanted people to find him, he certainly knows how 
to put an e-mail address out there (or at the very least how to pay 
someone to do so).

Some people *really* value their privacy - I don't know if he is 
one of them, but he certainly could be.




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thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger Price, Where are Yooou!! (Was New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 26 Aug 2004 07:00:03 +0100

Hi All,
I'll add all that I know to this. Although I've said it before, there may be
newbies on the list.

The last time he was seen was by Philip before the filming of the 90's
series. He came over from Canada and visited Phil's theatre and asked him to
play TIM once again. Telling him that TIM would be trapped on the space ship
(or something like that) and Phil agreed. At the time he said how he thought
he'd wrecked the boys lives ( meaning PVC, Mike & Nigel) and was rather
upset about the whole OS stigma. I do think he values his privacy and I've
heard that Thames are holding money for him which has never been collected.

Just in case he is lurking out there in the world (who knows he could be on
this list lol) then here is a message. The boys don't think this at all.
Nigel in particular has the fondest memories of Roger and *really* wants to
speak to him again.

You must remember that all of this is hearsay, nothing substantiated, and as
Saps (lol) we are very good at putting two and two together and making five!
;-)

Of course we know now that Nickelodeon, or someone else, refused to have TIM
back insisting that the NS stood alone from the OS (A big mistake in my
opinion).

That's all I know about Roger. There is some detail on this web site
http://www.ycdtotv.com/articles/10yearslater.htm

Which someone found recently. I can't recall if it was someone on this list
or another.

Jackie


> Some people *really* value their privacy - I don't know if he is
> one of them, but he certainly could be.
>





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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 25 Aug 2004 23:05:15 -0700 (PDT)

Jackie Clark said:
> If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let them
> put up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on from 'War of the
> Empires.' But as Jason pointed out to the Revelation people, it is
> impossible as they were never actually made and therefore no royalties
> have ever been paid. The Script/writers/copyright people would not be at
> all happy... But I dream of the day I can get them to a photocopier ;-D

*heh*

So do we all, Jackie... so do we all. ;)

I'm likely to accept my fate and skip the full series box set with the
interview, because I don't see it likely that I could sell off my previous
sets at anything like what I paid for them. Of course, I might be mistaken
and I could change my mind, depending on what else they might find to add
to the mix.

George




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From: "Martin Dunne" <martindunne@bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Tharog Menace (possible spoliers)
Date: 26 Aug 2004 19:53:32 +0930


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:13 AM



> 20 year old spoilers?

I'm presuming there are people to whom the DVD realises are the first
instance they've encountered...











> No but Papa Mien 's head does superimpose over the cities of the world
during his statements. It ends with his death in the Thargon shuttle as
blasted by the Thargon thick ship or whatever they called it. He and Flyn
and Sula die! YAY! But they return in fan fiction, including my own. NAY!

So, was he right--he was an immortal god?
Just asking ; )
Martin





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From: "Barbara Benson" <bensonba@hotmail.com>
Subject: TPDIS: DragonCon
Date: 26 Aug 2004 08:05:25 -0400

Well, I tried sending this yesterday and my screen never came back from 
hitting the send button so I don't know if it did.

There were not enough people planning to go to DragonCon to plan an official 
meet. But I'm going and if anyone else going wants to get together, email me 
off list and we can try to arrange a meet for lunch or dinner maybe. I'm not 
sure how feasible it might be to watch the DVDs, but if anyone's interested, 
we might be able to find a way.

Babs

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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Tharog Menace (possible spoliers)
Date: 26 Aug 2004 08:48:21 EDT


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From: "Martin Dunne" <martindunne@bigpond.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: The Tharog Menace (possible spoliers)
Date: 26 Aug 2004 22:26:02 +0930

Let's not let factual accuracy stand in the way of consistency?
Martin?

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:18 PM


> Thargon Menace is the title 




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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 08:18:09 -0500

If you really gotta have it now, someone called jedikiahgirls has the new box set on ebay, for 49.99 pounds, plus 11 pounds shipping.  I want it, I'm not paying that much extra to get it.  All I really want is the commentaries, anyway : )

Marie

 





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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT)

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Jackie posted something on another site (and maybe she's posted it here in the past; I don't know) about how Revelation might release the first series of the '90s version with commentaries by the '70s cast.  To me this was a fascinating method of getting fans of the original series, who have never even seen the new one, to buy the DVDs.  Soon the good people at Revelation will discover they can sell *anything* to TP fans, just as long as they include a commentary by Nick and PVC.  I hope they're paying them well...
 
I think I'm going to hold out a bit for further news on the complete boxed set, before buying the final one.  It's fairly easy to hold out, since it's almost completely unavailable to me anyway...
 
-Jasmine

"Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:
If you really gotta have it now, someone called jedikiahgirls has the new box set on ebay, for 49.99 pounds, plus 11 pounds shipping. I want it, I'm not paying that much extra to get it. All I really want is the commentaries, anyway : )

Marie






		
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<DIV>Jackie posted something on another site (and maybe she's posted it here in the past; I don't know) about how Revelation might release the first series of the '90s version with commentaries by the '70s cast.&nbsp; To me this was a fascinating method of getting fans of the original series, who have never even seen the new one, to buy the DVDs.&nbsp; Soon the good people at Revelation will discover they can sell *anything* to TP fans, just as long as they include a commentary by Nick and PVC.&nbsp; I hope they're paying them well...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I think I'm going to hold out a bit for further news on the complete boxed set,&nbsp;before buying the final one.&nbsp; It's fairly easy to hold out, since it's almost completely unavailable to me anyway...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>"Marie H." &lt;beckery@hiwaay.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">If you really gotta have it now, someone called jedikiahgirls has the new box set on ebay, for 49.99 pounds, plus 11 pounds shipping. I want it, I'm not paying that much extra to get it. All I really want is the commentaries, anyway : )<BR><BR>Marie<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 09:50:47 -0500

LOL!! commentaries by Nick and PVC would be about the only way I'd buy the=
 90's version.   It just didn't grab me the way the OS did.  Maybe something=
 to do with age : )

Marie

>Jackie posted something on another site (and maybe she's posted it here in=
 the past; I don't know) about how Revelation might release the first series=
 of the '90s version with commentaries by the '70s cast.  To me this was a=
 fascinating method of getting fans of the original series, who have never=
 even seen the new one, to buy the DVDs.  Soon the good people at Revelation=
 will discover they can sell *anything* to TP fans, just as long as they=
 include a commentary by Nick and PVC.  I hope they're paying them well...  =
 I think I'm going to hold out a bit for further news on the complete boxed=
 set, before buying the final one.  It's fairly easy to hold out, since it's=
 almost completely unavailable to me anyway...   -Jasmine

=20





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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT)

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I never saw it.  I think it came out when I was in college, when I had no money, no TV, no contact with the outside world...
 
PVC mentions it at some point in the commentaries; it sounded like he had seen it, but didn't particularly like it.

"Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net> wrote:
LOL!! commentaries by Nick and PVC would be about the only way I'd buy the 90's version. It just didn't grab me the way the OS did. Maybe something to do with age : )

Marie


		
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<DIV>I never saw it.&nbsp; I think it came out when I was in college, when I had no money, no TV, no contact with the outside world...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>PVC mentions it at some point in the commentaries; it sounded like he had seen it, but didn't particularly like it.<BR><BR><B><I>"Marie H." &lt;beckery@hiwaay.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">LOL!! commentaries by Nick and PVC would be about the only way I'd buy the 90's version. It just didn't grab me the way the OS did. Maybe something to do with age : )<BR><BR>Marie<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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From: "Mike [at Work]" <mike_stone65@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 10:33:08 -0500

> Jackie Clark said:
> If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let 
> them put up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on 
> from 'War of the Empires.' But as Jason pointed out to the Revelation 
> people, it is impossible as they were never actually made and
therefore 
> no royalties have ever been paid. The Script/writers/copyright people 
> would not be at all happy... But I dream of the day I can get them to
a 
> photocopier 
> ;-D

I just now wish I had bid on these when I saw them on eBay -- they
weren't going for much at the time, but I was just so sure it was a
fake, and the seller's story about finding them in an attic just seemed
too contrived! Oh well, who would have known. :-) 

Mike Stone



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From: gewertime@vassar.edu
Subject: RE: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 12:07:50 -0400 (EDT)

>> Jackie Clark said:
>> If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let
>> them put up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on
>> from 'War of the Empires.'

<snip>

>
> I just now wish I had bid on these when I saw them on eBay -- they
> weren't going for much at the time, but I was just so sure it was a
> fake, and the seller's story about finding them in an attic just seemed
> too contrived! Oh well, who would have known. :-)
>
> Mike Stone

I'm pretty sure that the scripts on eBay were for The Medusa Strain, not
this unmade serial (these serials?). Don't beat yourself up too much!

   - Geoff



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From: gewertime@vassar.edu
Subject: RE: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 12:07:50 -0400 (EDT)

>> Jackie Clark said:
>> If only there were no copyright implications <sigh> Mike could let
>> them put up the 4 scripts he has for stories following on
>> from 'War of the Empires.'

<snip>

>
> I just now wish I had bid on these when I saw them on eBay -- they
> weren't going for much at the time, but I was just so sure it was a
> fake, and the seller's story about finding them in an attic just seemed
> too contrived! Oh well, who would have known. :-)
>
> Mike Stone

I'm pretty sure that the scripts on eBay were for The Medusa Strain, not
this unmade serial (these serials?). Don't beat yourself up too much!

   - Geoff



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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 12:59:22 EDT


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It was an okay series the new series but it should not have carried the name 
TOMORROW PEOPLE. If it hadn't been named TP it would have been better than 
okay but as it was, it's mediocre at best and the first story was awful, so was 
the Monsoon Man.  

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From: Wendy Perkins <ladyslvr@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DragonCon
Date: 26 Aug 2004 12:47:19 -0500

I was hoping and hoping, but will not be able to get to DragonCon this year.

I'm always up for getting together with people, though. So, if anyone finds
their way to the region around Madison, WI, we could possibly plan something.



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From: "Mike [at Work]" <mike_stone65@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 26 Aug 2004 13:10:57 -0500

> Geoff said:
> I'm pretty sure that the scripts on eBay were for The Medusa 
> Strain, not this unmade serial (these serials?). Don't beat 
> yourself up too much!

That does make me feel better! :-)



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From: "CKB" <ckb@tinyonline.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 26 Aug 2004 21:29:32 +0100

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Hi tps

phoned mvc in Perth and am off to pick it up tomorrow.....that's if I =
can still ride my bike after having had a big needle stuffed down form =
my middle finger into the palm. anyway.......

I wish.....that I'd come home tomorrow night and there'd be a whole load =
of us ready at my house to have a TP fest! Just like a few of us had at =
Jackie's in May. What could be better than watching the remaining =
stories but watching them "couch potato" style with like minded friends.

So if anyone want to come over tomorrow night (or Saturday let me know)

Any one else got any TP "wishes" involving scenarios with fellow =
listers?

(Gawd ..a thread by l'ol me. Hi fans!) :0)

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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 26 Aug 2004 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT)

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I'd be happy to go to a DVD-watching party this weekend, but I can't jaunt, and it's a long swim from the Verizano bridge...

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From: robert french <rfren@yahoo.com>
Subject: TPDIS: obtaining the New Box Set for US Fans
Date: 26 Aug 2004 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT)

For US TP fans, there are a couple of options in
getting the new box set since MVC does not accept
American credit cards anymore. First, you could get it
off Ebay, but it is overpriced. Towerrecords UK has
the box set for sale, but it is a Special Order which
could take a month to get. The best thing to do is to
order it directly off Revelation's web site. Rev's
price is not overpriced and the shipping is low.



R.G. French



		
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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 27 Aug 2004 08:24:28 +1000

On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 12:59:22PM -0400, Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:
> It was an okay series the new series but it should not have carried the name 
> TOMORROW PEOPLE. If it hadn't been named TP it would have been better than 
> okay but as it was, it's mediocre at best and the first story was awful, so was 
> the Monsoon Man.  

Them's fighting words, mate!

I like both series.  Yes, the chief recurring weakness of the NS was the
cheesy villains, which was only overcome by the last two adventures with
such totally unoriginal rip-off plots.

However, they got a lot of things right that I feel the OS was weak on.

I feel, possibly due to Roger Price's involvement with YCDTOTV, that the
characterisation of the TP was more realistic, with a wider range of
reactions to becoming a TP.  You had Kevin, who had these abilities for
a long time and whose mother accused him of being a witch, you had Lisa
who didn't want to be different, you had Megabyte who desperately wanted
to be a TP, likewise with Jade, and you had Adam who seemed to just take
it in his stride.

There was also a better feel for comedy, like with those little touches
in the Origin Story (like the guy walking his tortise).

You also had much better characterisation of the parents we saw (General
Damon, Lisa's mother, and Ami's mother).

And though the last two adventures *were* such rip-off plots, they were
well-executed interpretations.  "The Rameses Connection" gave us
Christopher Lee as a brilliant villain, and
Seeds-of-Doom/The-Invasion-of-the-Body-Snatchers *ahem* "Living Stones"
gave us those sinister grannies in dark glasses...

I also do like the Origin story, because even though we have that silly
Lady Trelawny, we also have the lovely twist with the Head Honcho
turning out to be the father of one of the kids involved.

I really like General Damon. (grin)

Kathryn Andersen
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From: "Mike [at Work]" <mike_stone65@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 26 Aug 2004 17:02:05 -0500

Hi Col,

> ...that's if I can still ride my bike after having 
> had a big needle stuffed down form my middle finger 
> into the palm. anyway.......

You could really hurt yourself doing things like that! ;-)

> I wish.....that I'd come home tomorrow night and 
> there'd be a whole load of us ready at my house to 
> have a TP fest! Just like a few of us had at Jackie's 
> in May. 

I wish I had gone to that one myself! But, hard to travel overseas on a
regular basis. :-(  You'll have to tell us how this one goes, instead!

> What could be better than watching the remaining 
> stories but watching them "couch potato" style with 
> like minded friends.

Any 'couch potato' is a friend of mine! <brushing the crumbs off me> ;-)

> Any one else got any TP "wishes" involving scenarios 
> with fellow listers?

Well, I'd be curious if anyone has any memories of when they realized no
more shows were going to be produced? I'm sure some people were probably
moving on into adulthood and their interest waned, and others felt
betrayed and heartbroken. (I fall into the latter category, when
Nickelodeon announced they were saying goodbye to the Tomorrow People
'forever'!) :-) 

Anyway, have fun without us!

Mike Stone



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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: obtaining the New Box Set for US Fans
Date: 26 Aug 2004 18:14:11 EDT


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In a message dated 8/26/2004 6:05:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rfren@yahoo.com writes:
For US TP fans, there are a couple of options in
getting the new box set since MVC does not accept
American credit cards anymore. First, you could get it
off Ebay, but it is overpriced. Towerrecords UK has
the box set for sale, but it is a Special Order which
could take a month to get. The best thing to do is to
order it directly off Revelation's web site. Rev's
price is not overpriced and the shipping is low.



R.G. French
Thank you! My husband is buying me the box set for our anniversary in 
September!
Toreen

"We spoke of Poems and Prayers and Promises, Things that we believed in. How 
sweet is it to love someone, how right it is to care."-John Denver

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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 27 Aug 2004 00:30:28 EDT


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In a message dated 8/26/04 6:11:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> I like both series.  

I guess in many ways I don't like the new series at all.


Yes, the chief recurring weakness of the NS was the

> cheesy villains, which was only overcome by the last two adventures with
> such totally unoriginal rip-off plots.

so we have non cheesy villains but now we've got unoriginal rip off plots? 
Not a far trade.


> 
> However, they got a lot of things right that I feel the OS was weak on.


Such as? 

> 
> I feel, possibly due to Roger Price's involvement with YCDTOTV, that the
> characterisation of the TP was more realistic, with a wider range of
> reactions to becoming a TP.  You had Kevin, who had these abilities for
> a long time and whose mother accused him of being a witch,>>>>>>>>>>

Cliche at best and played mostly for laughs. And Kevin's mother appeared?  


 you had Lisa

> who didn't want to be different, 

And was terribly acted (oddly enough for me she was pretty good in the 
unaired pilot) but with more and more rehearsals she got worse I guess. I think Lisa 
and her mom were awful and brought the whole thing down. She was no Liz. The 
second girl, Amy was  a step in the right direction but they still seemed to 
have the mom wrong. Amy's mom...less said the better. Not funny, not played for 
drama and her "shock" was just unwatchable. Her cooking to get over her 
daughter's missing? Just awful.


you had Megabyte who desperately wanted

> to be a TP, likewise with Jade, and you had Adam who seemed to just take
> it in his stride.


So Mega and Jade both had the same dilemma. And it was not interesting. It 
was like watching a fan wanting to be a Tp. Jade never gelled for me as a 
character but oddly enough I was happy she broke out, maybe because it would makeher 
stop being annoying. Tricia COnway's bo in the original series was NOT 
rivaled. At least that breakout had some drama and surprise to it (not wihtout flaws 
I admit but it wsa thrilling whereas with jade we just knew it had to 
happen).  


> 
> There was also a better feel for comedy, like with those little touches
> in the Origin Story (like the guy walking his tortise).
> 
Funny? Not to me. The guy with the turtle? I didn't really notice him much. 
Having the big oaf female stuff Megabyte into a suitcase or luggage was not 
funny, nor were his scenes in the airport and the cab. Totally awful for a first 
story. SLAVES was not perfect but it set up the series in a great manner, with 
little tomfoolery. Maybe it was not funny --some of that would come later. I 
think the comedy of DDMen was far better than anything the new series had on 
it. Kevin and Mega facing down the bullies was also played for laughs and 
wasn't funny. And as for the water falling in the first story, it was so dull.


> You also had much better characterisation of the parents we saw (General
> Damon, Lisa's mother, and Ami's mother).
> 

Oh my GOD! NO! Or maybe you did but they were just silly (Lisa's), boring 
(Damon), and overly annoying (Ami's mom). If the parents in the old series were 
like this, I'm glad we didn't get any of them. Mike's mom says nothing and does 
nothing. Tyso's mom was  abit over the top, but her gypsy stuff was a nice 
try, Stephen's mom fairs the best and was well acted in the first ep. I think 
that was how they should have gone in the first story of the new series. 
Instead, they don't show the parents much at all. Then we later got Damon, another 
military man (Sigh, boring). I thought it might have been more interesting if he 
turned evil or against the TP. But no. As for Adam's mysterious past: it 
wasn't mysterious, it was just ignored.

My MAIN POINT is that the show was not TP. The jaunting was not jaunting, nor 
called that, the TP could kill, and there was no Lab, no stun guns, no Tim, 
and no other TP conventions.


> And though the last two adventures *were* such rip-off plots, they were
> well-executed interpretations.  "The Rameses Connection" gave us
> Christopher Lee as a brilliant villain, 

Indeed so but that was offset by the really stupid aliens in raincoats and 
that silly old woman alien. What was that about? Why the bizarre actions? ANd 
why was there a TP in the past? Why did it h ave to be Eygpt and mess up with 
cointinuity of the old show? Granted, this was the best story but it was really 
not that great. I liked Amy but her actions in this were...not well acted or 
played. As a taken over TP she was not believeable.   
 
and

> Seeds-of-Doom/The-Invasion-of-the-Body-Snatchers *ahem* "Living Stones"
> gave us those sinister grannies in dark glasses...
> 
AVENGERS did it long before this and the grannies were not original nor was 
the plot. It wasn't silly at least but it was boring as hell. I cannot recall a 
single scene really. BTW did Jade's dog die?  I hope not. I hate when they 
make animals die for no good reason. Kevin was not written out correctly either, 
and that's nice, the one way they act liek the old show it's in NOT writing 
out a character.



> I also do like the Origin story, because even though we have that silly
> Lady Trelawny, we also have the lovely twist with the Head Honcho
> turning out to be the father of one of the kids involved.

Oh, that Lady Mulvaney? The old lady villainess? Played again for laughs and 
she was not menacing but could have been. And why name a character col Masters 
when he's more like Mork from Ork or Dr smith from Lost in space? The 
villains were awful, not funny, not deep, not menacing.   The Orig Masters was a 
msterpiece of acting, scripting, and menace, as well as politics.


> 
> I really like General Damon. (grin)
> 
> 

I don't. He was a bore. I wanted to focus on the TP, not on the General.

Add to this, the  whole Lois Lane chracter from Monsoon Man (I think) and 
maybe the Chris Lee story, and you have one unoriginal story.

And there was no real mention or elaboration on the next evolution thing. And 
the TP kill the wasps in the second story. Oh and the Tp were like guest 
stars in their own stories. The adults took over in story 2. 

On the plus side, I like Adam and Megabyte. I think they had potential for 
good plotlines and the actors were good. They just needed good direction, which 
they didn't get. Kevin had possibilities. The show really sucked. I hated the 
spaceship thing. I mean why? Isn't it enough that you have the TP? 

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 for
<BR>a long time and whose mother accused him of being a witch,&gt;&gt;&gt;&g=
t;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" s=
tyle=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=
 FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">Cliche at best and played mostly for laughs. And Kevin's mother appea=
red? &nbsp;
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> you had Lisa
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">who didn't want to be di=
fferent, </FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUN=
D-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" L=
ANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">And was terribly acted (oddly enough for me she was pretty good in th=
e unaired pilot) but with more and more rehearsals she got worse I guess. I=20=
think Lisa and her mom were awful and brought the whole thing down. She was=20=
no Liz. The second girl, Amy was &nbsp;a step in the right direction but the=
y still seemed to have the mom wrong. Amy's mom...less said the better. Not=20=
funny, not played for drama and her "shock" was just unwatchable. Her cookin=
g to get over her daughter's missing? Just awful.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>you had Megabyte who desperately wanted
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">to be a TP, likewise wit=
h Jade, and you had Adam who seemed to just take
<BR>it in his stride.</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=
=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FAC=
E=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR>So Mega and Jade both had the same dilemma. And it was not interesting.=20=
It was like watching a fan wanting to be a Tp. Jade never gelled for me as a=
 character but oddly enough I was happy she broke out, maybe because it woul=
d makeher stop being annoying. Tricia COnway's bo in the original series was=
 NOT rivaled. At least that breakout had some drama and surprise to it (not=20=
wihtout flaws I admit but it wsa thrilling whereas with jade we just knew it=
 had to happen). &nbsp;
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>There was also a better feel for comedy, like with those little touches
<BR>in the Origin Story (like the guy walking his tortise).
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>Funny? Not to me. The guy with the turtle? I didn't really notice him mu=
ch. Having the big oaf female stuff Megabyte into a suitcase or luggage was=20=
not funny, nor were his scenes in the airport and the cab. Totally awful for=
 a first story. SLAVES was not perfect but it set up the series in a great m=
anner, with little tomfoolery. Maybe it was not funny --some of that would c=
ome later. I think the comedy of DDMen was far better than anything the new=20=
series had on it. Kevin and Mega facing down the bullies was also played for=
 laughs and wasn't funny. And as for the water falling in the first story, i=
t was so dull.</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACK=
GROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ari=
al" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You also had much better=
 characterisation of the parents we saw (General
<BR>Damon, Lisa's mother, and Ami's mother).
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">Oh my GOD! NO! Or maybe you did but they were just silly (Lisa's), bo=
ring (Damon), and overly annoying (Ami's mom). If the parents in the old ser=
ies were like this, I'm glad we didn't get any of them. Mike's mom says noth=
ing and does nothing. Tyso's mom was &nbsp;abit over the top, but her gypsy=20=
stuff was a nice try, Stephen's mom fairs the best and was well acted in the=
 first ep. I think that was how they should have gone in the first story of=20=
the new series. Instead, they don't show the parents much at all. Then we la=
ter got Damon, another military man (Sigh, boring). I thought it might have=20=
been more interesting if he turned evil or against the TP. But no. As for Ad=
am's mysterious past: it wasn't mysterious, it was just ignored.
<BR>
<BR>My MAIN POINT is that the show was not TP. The jaunting was not jaunting=
, nor called that, the TP could kill, and there was no Lab, no stun guns, no=
 Tim, and no other TP conventions.
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And though the last two=20=
adventures *were* such rip-off plots, they were
<BR>well-executed interpretations. &nbsp;"The Rameses Connection" gave us
<BR>Christopher Lee as a brilliant villain, </FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000"=20=
BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FA=
MILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">Indeed so but that was offset by the really stupid aliens in raincoat=
s and that silly old woman alien. What was that about? Why the bizarre actio=
ns? ANd why was there a TP in the past? Why did it h ave to be Eygpt and mes=
s up with cointinuity of the old show? Granted, this was the best story but=20=
it was really not that great. I liked Amy but her actions in this were...not=
 well acted or played. As a taken over TP she was not believeable. &nbsp;&nb=
sp;
<BR>=20
<BR>and
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Seeds-of-Doom/The-Invasi=
on-of-the-Body-Snatchers *ahem* "Living Stones"
<BR>gave us those sinister grannies in dark glasses...
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>AVENGERS did it long before this and the grannies were not original nor=20=
was the plot. It wasn't silly at least but it was boring as hell. I cannot r=
ecall a single scene really. BTW did Jade's dog die? &nbsp;I hope not. I hat=
e when they make animals die for no good reason. Kevin was not written out c=
orrectly either, and that's nice, the one way they act liek the old show it'=
s in NOT writing out a character.
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I also do like the Origi=
n story, because even though we have that silly
<BR>Lady Trelawny, we also have the lovely twist with the Head Honcho
<BR>turning out to be the father of one of the kids involved.</FONT><FONT  C=
OLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE=
>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">Oh, that Lady Mulvaney? The old lady villainess? Played again for lau=
ghs and she was not menacing but could have been. And why name a character c=
ol Masters when he's more like Mork from Ork or Dr smith from Lost in space?=
 The villains were awful, not funny, not deep, not menacing. &nbsp;&nbsp;The=
 Orig Masters was a msterpiece of acting, scripting, and menace, as well as=20=
politics.
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>I really like General Damon. (grin)
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR>I don't. He was a bore. I wanted to focus on the TP, not on the General.
<BR>
<BR>Add to this, the &nbsp;whole Lois Lane chracter from Monsoon Man (I thin=
k) and maybe the Chris Lee story, and you have one unoriginal story.
<BR>
<BR>And there was no real mention or elaboration on the next evolution thing=
. And the TP kill the wasps in the second story. Oh and the Tp were like gue=
st stars in their own stories. The adults took over in story 2.=20
<BR>
<BR>On the plus side, I like Adam and Megabyte. I think they had potential f=
or good plotlines and the actors were good. They just needed good direction,=
 which they didn't get. Kevin had possibilities. The show really sucked. I h=
ated the spaceship thing. I mean why? Isn't it enough that you have the TP?=20=
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From: Ryan Turner <jvirek@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: obtaining the New Box Set for US Fans
Date: 27 Aug 2004 02:24:56 -0700 (PDT)

Apologies for dragging off the topic, but was I the only
one who read this subject line and thought, by some
miracle, there was a new _series_ box set??

*sigh*

Ryan,
still patiently waiting


		
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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: obtaining the New Box Set for US Fans
Date: 27 Aug 2004 07:43:19 -0500

Thanks! When I looked at the Revelation site a few days ago, they didn't have the new set listed.  I'll go back and order from them : )

Marie


>For US TP fans, there are a couple of options in
>getting the new box set since MVC does not accept
>American credit cards anymore. First, you could get it
>off Ebay, but it is overpriced. Towerrecords UK has
>the box set for sale, but it is a Special Order which
>could take a month to get. The best thing to do is to
>order it directly off Revelation's web site. Rev's
>price is not overpriced and the shipping is low.
>
>
>
>R.G. French
>
>
 

 





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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 27 Aug 2004 06:42:12 -0700 (PDT)

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>Well, I'd be curious if anyone has any memories of when they realized no
>more shows were going to be produced? I'm sure some people were probably
>moving on into adulthood and their interest waned, and others felt
>betrayed and heartbroken. (I fall into the latter category, when
>Nickelodeon announced they were saying goodbye to the Tomorrow People
>forever'!) :-)
 
It's funny; I still remember the commercial they showed for the TP "marathon"; there was a voiceover "The Tomorrow People are leaving Nickelodeon--forever!" and then they showed the clip of John screaming and disappearing in "The Blue and the Green".  I had worn out the shows by then and stopped watching regularly, but I watched the marathon anyway, because I knew it was my last chance...
 
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<DIV><BR>&gt;Well, I'd be curious if anyone has any memories of when they realized no<BR>&gt;more shows were going to be produced? I'm sure some people were probably<BR>&gt;moving on into adulthood and their interest waned, and others felt<BR>&gt;betrayed and heartbroken. (I fall into the latter category, when<BR>&gt;Nickelodeon announced they were saying goodbye to the Tomorrow People<BR>&gt;forever'!) :-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It's funny; I still remember the commercial they showed for the TP "marathon"; there was a voiceover "The Tomorrow People are leaving Nickelodeon--forever!" and then they showed the clip of John screaming and disappearing in "The Blue and the Green".&nbsp; I had worn out the shows by then and stopped watching regularly, but I watched the marathon anyway, because I knew it was my last chance...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: starr@planet.eon.net
Subject: RE: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 27 Aug 2004 08:45:00 -0600

Watching the TP as a teenager in the 70s, I found it frustrating because it 
would get bumped around on the schedule and I missed bits (no VCRs in the stone 
age, you know, or at least not at my house). Watching it at University, I was 
dependent on walking over to another college that had a cable tv in the common 
room (mine didn't) and even on Saturday mornings there were sometimes other 
people using the common room so I was out of luck. When I finally got a chance 
to see the whole thing on YTV I was thrilled. Then someone gave me a reference 
book on British genre TV. The first thing I looked up was the TP, and went down 
the episode listing and suddenly realized that I'd seen it all. Nothing more to 
look forward too. It was SUCH a huge let-down. Finding TPDIS and TPFICT and 
finding out there was a new series was great, but I found the new series a bit 
of a disappointment, because I didn't WANT a new series - I wanted more of the 
old series. It made it hard to appreciate the new series on its own merits. The 
DVDs and the Big Finish productions, which I probably never would have 
discovered without you lot (and certainly wouldn't have known that I could get 
a DVD player in Canada that would play PAL DVDs) has been much more satisfying.

Thanks, guys!

Jane Starr
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From: Kristin Dunn <dunnkl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 27 Aug 2004 11:14:27 -0400

Kat said:
>And though the last two adventures *were* such rip-off plots, they were 
>well-executed interpretations.  "The Rameses Connection" gave us 
>Christopher Lee as a brilliant villain, 
 
Indeed so but that was offset by the really stupid aliens in raincoats
and that silly old woman alien. What was that about? Why the bizarre
actions? ANd why was there a TP in the past? Why did it h ave to be
Eygpt and mess up with cointinuity of the old show?
----

I may have to disagree with you there. I don't think that it messes
with the continuity of the old show at all. I think that it adds an
interesting explanation to both series.

We had an episode in the OS where the TP go into the pyramids and
discover psi-dampening machines that <i> could </i> had prevented the
further breakout of other TP's beginning in ancient Egypt (I want to
say the episode was Worlds Away or A Much Needed Holiday... I just
don't remember. I think it was Worlds Away). The Kulthan (sp) built
then deep within the pyramids to keep telepathic abilities from
developing, and then looking for telepaths for "sacrifice" (vesh and
vesh keepers keep coming to mind).

If you want to do some linking between series (but not some really
historical linking... it is sci-fi) we could say that King Tut broke
out either before or a little after the Kulthan came here. Ramses
makes the comment that there were others who had tried to stop him,
and he had been taking care of them (in other words killing TP).

With the Kulthan around it explains in both series why there were no
other TP to really speak of until the OS. It also explains why we can
still have a few TP running around (Tut for example... There was also
the girl in Worlds Away).

While the Kulthan where here, they're chasing and killing (or so we
think) potential TPs. With the introduction of Ramses into the
picture, we have yet another person/thing who doesn't like TP, and
believes them to be in the way of their master plan. Solution? Take
care of them (in a not so caring fashion).

I think that another thing to keep in mind is that I don't think we
were supposed to connect the two series as much as we tend to do
(IMHO). I had never seen the OS until 5 or 6 years ago (granted I
wasn't even born when it was originally ran, and was really little
when it was on Nickelodeon). That's one of the reasons why I don't
connect them. IMO they were made to stand alone from each other. They
make no mention in the NS regarding the OS except for in the books,
but I don't know if we even consider them cannon or not.

Each series had it's own quirks and it's own cheesy monsters and
aliens (bubble rap aliens? It's like watching Dr Who ::ducks::
::whispers I like DW though::), huge plot holes, and cannon breaks.
Every series does that at some point. Not a reason to say it jumped
the shark though.

Oh yeah, Kevin's mom didn't actually appear in the series. It was
Kevin telling Megabyte what his mother had said. (while I was thinking
about it)

Kristin

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Queen=20Cleopatra?= <cleopatra_71@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 27 Aug 2004 16:23:35 +0100 (BST)

I got mine at the Peterborough MVC today.  I'm flying
back home to Australia on Tuesday so it was just in
the nick of time.
Zoe


	
	
		
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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Roger Price, Where are Yooou!! (Was New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 27 Aug 2004 08:30:25 -0700 (PDT)

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I found another Roger Price thingie.  A letter he wrote:
 
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/canterbury/archive/mids_90.htm
 
I'm net-stalking him, aren't I?  It's reverse psychology, I think.
 
-Jasmine


		
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<DIV>I found another Roger Price thingie.&nbsp; A letter he wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://collections.ic.gc.ca/canterbury/archive/mids_90.htm">http://collections.ic.gc.ca/canterbury/archive/mids_90.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'm net-stalking him, aren't I?&nbsp; It's reverse psychology, I think.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com>
Subject: Re: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:04:17 +1000

On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 12:30:28AM -0400, Steveburton612@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/26/04 6:11:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> kat_lists@katspace.com writes:
> 
> 
> > I like both series.  
> 
> I guess in many ways I don't like the new series at all.

In all ways, I gather.  So I'm not going to *bother* talking.
(Humph!)

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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 27 Aug 2004 19:54:15 EDT


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In a message dated 8/27/04 7:51:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kat_lists@katspace.com writes:


> ways, I gather.  So I'm not going to *bother* talking.
> (Humph!)
> 
> 

arwww, c'mon! I do like Adam and Megabyte and the actors who played them as 
well as Kevin, what little of him there was (of course I really hated the 
double decker sequence with an insane (why?) driver trying to kill Kevin. I really 
thought the driver was Jedikiah!

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From: robert french <rfren@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: obtaining the New Box Set for US Fans
Date: 27 Aug 2004 18:09:50 -0700 (PDT)

I checked out Revelation's site today and
unfourtunately, the new box set is not listed again.
It is strange because one day its listed and the other
day its not. I wonder why? Well, there is always Tower
Records UK I guess. 


R.G. French



		
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: obtaining the New Box Set for US Fans
Date: 27 Aug 2004 21:10:26 EDT


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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 27 Aug 2004 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT)

WOO HOO!!

Thanks to a friend in the UK -- I got my Seasons 6/7/8 box set today!

I don't think it's a spoiler to say that there's a little tribute to
Philip Gilbert that shows when the disc for Season 6 is loaded. (I haven't
checked the others yet.)

George




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From: "Darren Bulmer" <mancerbear@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 03:08:38 +0000


I should be getting my copy here in Australia farily soon...some time next 
week I'd say...really looking forward to sitting down and wathcing the last 
3 seasons. :)

Darren Bulmer
MancerBear
"Things that make ya go WOOF!"
www.mancerbear.com

>From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
>Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>WOO HOO!!
>
>Thanks to a friend in the UK -- I got my Seasons 6/7/8 box set today!
>
>I don't think it's a spoiler to say that there's a little tribute to
>Philip Gilbert that shows when the disc for Season 6 is loaded. (I haven't
>checked the others yet.)
>
>George
>
>

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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 27 Aug 2004 20:13:37 -0700 (PDT)

Darren Bulmer said:
>
> I should be getting my copy here in Australia farily soon...some time next
> week I'd say...really looking forward to sitting down and wathcing the
> last 3 seasons. :)

Damn, that was a fast response!!  :)

> Darren Bulmer
> MancerBear
> "Things that make ya go WOOF!"
> www.mancerbear.com

I've linked to your site from www.TCSmudge.com, and if you like I'll add
it to www.RobinWalden.com. I'd appreciate reciprocal links, if you could.

George




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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 27 Aug 2004 23:17:55 EDT


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In a message dated 8/27/04 11:02:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
george.m@dslextreme.com writes:


> got my Seasons 6/7/8 box set today!
> 
> I don't think it's a spoiler to say that there's a little tribute to
> Philip Gilbert that shows when the disc for Season 6 is loaded. (I haven't
> checked the others yet.)
> 
> 

OH MY GOD! YOU SPOILED IT FOR ME!!!


Just teasing.

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<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
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t today!
<BR>
<BR>I don't think it's a spoiler to say that there's a little tribute to
<BR>Philip Gilbert that shows when the disc for Season 6 is loaded. (I haven=
't
<BR>checked the others yet.)
<BR>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 07:47:20 +0100

Yes, Geoff, they were. Ian Veal has them, now <waves to Ian with
accompanying telepathic thought about photocopiers ;-) >. He brought them to
the last TP meet and PVC authenticated them and signed them.

I was talking about totally new stories.

BTW something else of vague interest to you... When I met Nick recently he
mentioned that Philip's theatre had been destroyed and a block of flats
built in its place, but the other day I went over there and it is still
standing. It's in a somewhat dilapidated state and the garden is overgrown,
but I can't help wondering whether someone who realises the value of film
and theatre memorabilia will go through the contents with a
fine-toothed-comb and discover some gems to put up on ebay.

Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc) don't
end up in a skip!

Jackie


>
> I'm pretty sure that the scripts on eBay were for The Medusa Strain, not
> this unmade serial (these serials?). Don't beat yourself up too much!
>
>    - Geoff
>
>





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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 28 Aug 2004 08:07:47 +0100

Thanks for this, Col

Actually I was noticing that there's a lot of tpdis traffic lately and
wondered whether, given enough notice, we could arrange for a really great
chat session tonight? It's the last weekend of my summer hols and it would
be nice to catch up with some of the regular chatters as well as some
newbies.

The program is Mirc, the place is sorcery.net, #TomorrowPeople. The time is
2.30 am (BST) that *very* early Sunday morning for UK people, which I think
is 22.30 on Saturday in the USA (eastern) and 21.30 (central) and something
like 12.30 Sunday in Aus.

My wish is for a fun evening lol chatting about our fav show! If I click my
heals together three times, do you think it may come true?

Jackie


>any one else got any TP "wishes" involving scenarios with fellow listers?

>(Gawd ..a thread by l'ol me. Hi fans!) :0)

>Col





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From: "Shaun Hately" <drednort@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 28 Aug 2004 17:15:51 +1000

On 28 Aug 2004 at 8:07, Jackie Clark wrote:

> Thanks for this, Col
> 
> Actually I was noticing that there's a lot of tpdis traffic lately and
> wondered whether, given enough notice, we could arrange for a really great
> chat session tonight? It's the last weekend of my summer hols and it would
> be nice to catch up with some of the regular chatters as well as some
> newbies.
> 
> The program is Mirc, the place is sorcery.net, #TomorrowPeople. The time is
> 2.30 am (BST) that *very* early Sunday morning for UK people, which I think
> is 22.30 on Saturday in the USA (eastern) and 21.30 (central) and something
> like 12.30 Sunday in Aus.
> 
> My wish is for a fun evening lol chatting about our fav show! If I click my
> heals together three times, do you think it may come true?

Well, just to make sure everything matches.

2.30am Sunday British Summer Time is

11.30am Sunday in Melbourne and Sydney.

6.30pm Saturday in California

9.30pm Saturday in New York.

At least according to http://www.worldtimeserver.com/

I certainly plan to be in chat tomorrow.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
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From: "Simon Fraser" <simonf78@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 28 Aug 2004 09:54:39 +0100

Well!!

Chances are I'm not going to be up that late, considering I'm working
tomorrow, but I should be in chat in the early evening UK time, and I'll
hang around if anybody wishes to join me.

I've been rewatching the DVD's, this time with the commentaries on, and I
must say they are fantastic yet again!

TinyTim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:15 AM


On 28 Aug 2004 at 8:07, Jackie Clark wrote:

> Thanks for this, Col
>
> Actually I was noticing that there's a lot of tpdis traffic lately and
> wondered whether, given enough notice, we could arrange for a really great
> chat session tonight? It's the last weekend of my summer hols and it would
> be nice to catch up with some of the regular chatters as well as some
> newbies.
>
> The program is Mirc, the place is sorcery.net, #TomorrowPeople. The time
is
> 2.30 am (BST) that *very* early Sunday morning for UK people, which I
think
> is 22.30 on Saturday in the USA (eastern) and 21.30 (central) and
something
> like 12.30 Sunday in Aus.
>
> My wish is for a fun evening lol chatting about our fav show! If I click
my
> heals together three times, do you think it may come true?

Well, just to make sure everything matches.

2.30am Sunday British Summer Time is

11.30am Sunday in Melbourne and Sydney.

6.30pm Saturday in California

9.30pm Saturday in New York.

At least according to http://www.worldtimeserver.com/

I certainly plan to be in chat tomorrow.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




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From: "Carol Bevis" <ca.bevis@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: RE: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 28 Aug 2004 09:56:20 +0100

The first TP I ever saw was NS and I loved it - I still do! However, you're
right about the Rameses Connection, despite Christopher Lee's best efforts
was soooo cheesy. When I saw the end of it, I thought OK how do they deal
with this, the ending really was a major let down.

Monsoon Man was possibly the most implausible plot of all.  It seemed to me
that the bad guys should have been taken away by the men in white coats a
long, loooong time ago!

The best NS story has to be, without doubt, The Culex Experiment with all
its twists and turns, and best of all it makes you think!

I am sooo looking forward to the NS coming out on DVD. :):)

Regards,

Carol


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-tpdis@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kristin Dunn
Sent: 27 August 2004 16:14


Kat said:
>And though the last two adventures *were* such rip-off plots, they were
>well-executed interpretations.  "The Rameses Connection" gave us
>Christopher Lee as a brilliant villain,

Indeed so but that was offset by the really stupid aliens in raincoats
and that silly old woman alien. What was that about? Why the bizarre
actions? ANd why was there a TP in the past? Why did it h ave to be
Eygpt and mess up with cointinuity of the old show?
----

I may have to disagree with you there. I don't think that it messes
with the continuity of the old show at all. I think that it adds an
interesting explanation to both series.

We had an episode in the OS where the TP go into the pyramids and
discover psi-dampening machines that <i> could </i> had prevented the
further breakout of other TP's beginning in ancient Egypt (I want to
say the episode was Worlds Away or A Much Needed Holiday... I just
don't remember. I think it was Worlds Away). The Kulthan (sp) built
then deep within the pyramids to keep telepathic abilities from
developing, and then looking for telepaths for "sacrifice" (vesh and
vesh keepers keep coming to mind).

If you want to do some linking between series (but not some really
historical linking... it is sci-fi) we could say that King Tut broke
out either before or a little after the Kulthan came here. Ramses
makes the comment that there were others who had tried to stop him,
and he had been taking care of them (in other words killing TP).

With the Kulthan around it explains in both series why there were no
other TP to really speak of until the OS. It also explains why we can
still have a few TP running around (Tut for example... There was also
the girl in Worlds Away).

While the Kulthan where here, they're chasing and killing (or so we
think) potential TPs. With the introduction of Ramses into the
picture, we have yet another person/thing who doesn't like TP, and
believes them to be in the way of their master plan. Solution? Take
care of them (in a not so caring fashion).

I think that another thing to keep in mind is that I don't think we
were supposed to connect the two series as much as we tend to do
(IMHO). I had never seen the OS until 5 or 6 years ago (granted I
wasn't even born when it was originally ran, and was really little
when it was on Nickelodeon). That's one of the reasons why I don't
connect them. IMO they were made to stand alone from each other. They
make no mention in the NS regarding the OS except for in the books,
but I don't know if we even consider them cannon or not.

Each series had it's own quirks and it's own cheesy monsters and
aliens (bubble rap aliens? It's like watching Dr Who ::ducks::
::whispers I like DW though::), huge plot holes, and cannon breaks.
Every series does that at some point. Not a reason to say it jumped
the shark though.

Oh yeah, Kevin's mom didn't actually appear in the series. It was
Kevin telling Megabyte what his mother had said. (while I was thinking
about it)

Kristin

Wow... I think this is the longest post I have ever written... I'm
impressed!


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From: "robert gudgeon" <robertgudgeona@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 18:53:54 +1000

Hey  George were did you get them.
Robert


>From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
>Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Darren Bulmer said:
> >
> > I should be getting my copy here in Australia farily soon...some time 
>next
> > week I'd say...really looking forward to sitting down and wathcing the
> > last 3 seasons. :)
>
>Damn, that was a fast response!!  :)
>
> > Darren Bulmer
> > MancerBear
> > "Things that make ya go WOOF!"
> > www.mancerbear.com
>
>I've linked to your site from www.TCSmudge.com, and if you like I'll add
>it to www.RobinWalden.com. I'd appreciate reciprocal links, if you could.
>
>George
>
>

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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:11:58 EDT


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Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc) don't
end up in a skip!

Jackie
Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?
Toreen


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Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:12:27 EDT


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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 15:38:33 +0100


It's a big metal container used in the building trade to dump rubbish in
before it is removed for disposal.




> In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc)
don't
> end up in a skip!
>
> Jackie
> Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?
> Toreen
>
>
> "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
> -Edmund Burke
>





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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:52:19 EDT


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In a message dated 8/28/2004 10:38:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
It's a big metal container used in the building trade to dump rubbish in
before it is removed for disposal.




> In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc)
don't
> end up in a skip!
>
> Jackie
> Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?
> Toreen
Thank you! More proof that we don't really speak the same language! LOL
Toreen

If you don't believe in angels, you've never heard me sing. If you don't 
believe in demons, you've never pissed me off!

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From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:03:34 -0700 (PDT)

robert gudgeon said:
> Hey  George were did you get them.
> Robert

My friend in the UK got them from one of MVC's shops and mailed them to me.

It's weird -- as others have reported, I *did* see them listed on the
RevFilms site, but now they're not. Since the same friend did me the same
favor for the Season 4/5 box set, I just went with what I knew worked. ;)

To the list in general: sorry about the earlier message; Darren is a
personal friend and I missed the fact it was a list message, not a direct
email from him.

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Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:14:10 -0700

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At 07:38 AM 8/28/2004, you wrote:


>It's a big metal container used in the building trade to dump rubbish in
>before it is removed for disposal.

ah, we call them garbage bins here...

-Drew




> > In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> > Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc)
>don't
> > end up in a skip!
> >
> > Jackie
> > Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?
> > Toreen
> >
> >
> > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
> > -Edmund Burke
> >
>
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&gt; Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos
etc)<br>
don't<br>
&gt; end up in a skip!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jackie<br>
&gt; Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?<br>
&gt; Toreen<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to
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From: "Jeff Cook" <jeff.coast@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 13:17:49 -0400

I always found the difference in the English language between England and
the US to be fascinating. We call them dumpsters here. I grew up watching TP
and Dr. Who, so went out of my way to learn some of the differences in our
language. But I have never heard the skip term.

Funny story. A friend and I were in England a couple months ago, he
absolutely loves biscuits, but I told him he wouldn't find them and
explained what biscuit is to the English. He is a real picky eater too and
refused to try a scone, which I said would be about the closest thing he
would find to what we call a biscuit. :) 

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Jackie Clark
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:39 AM


It's a big metal container used in the building trade to dump rubbish in
before it is removed for disposal.




> In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc)
don't
> end up in a skip!
>
> Jackie
> Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?
> Toreen
>
>
> "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
> -Edmund Burke
>








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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT)

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Or dumpsters.

Gryphbear <bear.mage@verizon.net> wrote:At 07:38 AM 8/28/2004, you wrote:


It's a big metal container used in the building trade to dump rubbish in
before it is removed for disposal.

ah, we call them garbage bins here... 

-Drew




> In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc)
don't
> end up in a skip!
>
> Jackie
> Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?
> Toreen
>
>
> "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
> -Edmund Burke
>





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<DIV>Or dumpsters.<BR><BR><B><I>Gryphbear &lt;bear.mage@verizon.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT size=3>At 07:38 AM 8/28/2004, you wrote:<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">It's a big metal container used in the building trade to dump rubbish in<BR>before it is removed for disposal.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ah, we call them garbage bins here... <BR><BR>-Drew<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT size=3>&gt; In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,<BR>&gt; Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:<BR>&gt; Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc)<BR>don't<BR>&gt; end up in a skip!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Jackie<BR>&gt; Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?<BR>&gt; Toreen<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"<BR>&gt; -Edmund Burke<BR>&gt;<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>---<BR>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A href="http://www.grisoft.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.grisoft.com</A>).<BR>Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>---<BR>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.<BR>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).<BR>Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p>
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From: Jasmine Sadrieh <jmsadrieh@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 10:36:33 -0700 (PDT)

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I remember a scene from Newsradio (American sitcom) where they were discussing the difference between U.K. and U.S. English and someone said something about how the English call a flashlight a torch.  The reply: "so what do they call a torch?"...
 
In A Man for Emily, Peter Davison is supposed to be an alien who speaks North American English, but he uses "fancy" as a verb, and Americans don't.  I liked the way Nicholas Young described their American accents as a plot hole.  Obviously, all space aliens would normally have British accents.  
 
-Jasmine

Jeff Cook <jeff.coast@verizon.net> wrote:

Funny story. A friend and I were in England a couple months ago, he
absolutely loves biscuits, but I told him he wouldn't find them and
explained what biscuit is to the English. He is a real picky eater too and
refused to try a scone, which I said would be about the closest thing he
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<DIV>In A Man for Emily, Peter Davison is supposed to be an alien who speaks North American English, but he uses "fancy" as a verb, and Americans don't.&nbsp; I liked the way Nicholas Young described their American accents as a plot hole.&nbsp; Obviously, all space aliens would normally have British accents.&nbsp; </DIV>
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<DIV>-Jasmine<BR><BR><B><I>Jeff Cook &lt;jeff.coast@verizon.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 28 Aug 2004 19:30:53 +0100

Actually to keep this slightly on topic, I think Stephen jaunts into a skip
in 'The Blue and the Green', to collect the huge magnet being used by the
scrap metal dealer... am I right?

Jackie


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:20 PM


> Or dumpsters.
>
> Gryphbear <bear.mage@verizon.net> wrote:At 07:38 AM 8/28/2004, you wrote:
>
>
> It's a big metal container used in the building trade to dump rubbish in
> before it is removed for disposal.
>
> ah, we call them garbage bins here...
>
> -Drew
>
>
>
>
> > In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> > Let's all hope that this does happen and things (scripts, photos etc)
> don't
> > end up in a skip!
> >
> > Jackie
> > Ok, Ignorant American question...What's a Skip?
> > Toreen
> >
> >
> > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing"
> > -Edmund Burke
> >
>
>
>
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From: Steveburton612@aol.com
Subject: TPDIS: 
Date: 28 Aug 2004 14:51:06 EDT


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Well I just got this story about SUmmer 2003 from a girl who wrote every TP 
story up into a novel with asides and in jokes and stuff like that. She doesn't 
want to post them as fan fic cause I think she just wrote it for hersself and 
her friends who were into TP and she does't think they are good. But they are 
entetraining. The stories then go on and on and on, in a good way, as many of 
our TP fan fic universes do. I am trying to get her to post her stuff but to 
no avail.

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ends who were into TP and she does't think they are good. But they are entet=
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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: Slarvian Menace cover
Date: 28 Aug 2004 20:28:51 +0100

the cover of the upcoming audio adventure 'Slarvian Menace' is now available
to view on the BF web site. At least we can get an idea of the series colour
scheme lol...

http://www.bigfinish.com/tpeople/tp09_slarvianmenace.shtml

I do hope this story is as good as Alone.

Jackie
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             Traditional Manyarnern Greeting

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From: kytriyal@comcast.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 
Date: 28 Aug 2004 21:43:56 +0000


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I've got an idea, maybe if the listers don't mind, we can all somehow comment how much we'd like to see them posted and be able to read them. I mean, if all the tp fans on this email all email how we'd like to read them and say whatever else would be encouraging to her, then she'd post them. :)  
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want to post them as fan fic cause I think she just wrote it for hersself and 
her friends who were into TP and she does't think they are good. But they are 
entetraining. The stories then go on and on and on, in a good way, as many of 
our TP fan fic universes do. I am trying to get her to post her stuff but to 
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ends who were into TP and she does't think they are good. But they are entet=
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From: kytriyal@comcast.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 28 Aug 2004 21:50:30 +0000


For once I will be here! I am not going out of town as originally planned. Not going camping. Spent $1200 on car repairs and maintanence instead.
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> On 28 Aug 2004 at 8:07, Jackie Clark wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for this, Col
> > 
> > Actually I was noticing that there's a lot of tpdis traffic lately and
> > wondered whether, given enough notice, we could arrange for a really great
> > chat session tonight? It's the last weekend of my summer hols and it would
> > be nice to catch up with some of the regular chatters as well as some
> > newbies.
> > 
> > The program is Mirc, the place is sorcery.net, #TomorrowPeople. The time is
> > 2.30 am (BST) that *very* early Sunday morning for UK people, which I think
> > is 22.30 on Saturday in the USA (eastern) and 21.30 (central) and something
> > like 12.30 Sunday in Aus.
> > 
> > My wish is for a fun evening lol chatting about our fav show! If I click my
> > heals together three times, do you think it may come true?
> 
> Well, just to make sure everything matches.
> 
> 2.30am Sunday British Summer Time is
> 
> 11.30am Sunday in Melbourne and Sydney.
> 
> 6.30pm Saturday in California
> 
> 9.30pm Saturday in New York.
> 
> At least according to http://www.worldtimeserver.com/
> 
> I certainly plan to be in chat tomorrow.
> 
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
> (ISTJ)       | drednort@alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
> "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
> thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
> facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
> uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
> need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
> Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia
> 
> 



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From: kytriyal@comcast.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 28 Aug 2004 21:51:40 +0000

Sorry! Forgot to delete the unnecessary part of the original message that I was responding too!
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From: "janet.sullivan" <janet.sullivan@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: 
Date: 28 Aug 2004 23:59:26 +0100

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I too would be interested in reading them.
Perhaps she would e-mail the stories, to anyone's personal address who =
would like to read them, so they are not posted permanently anywhere?
Take Care

Janet


       AN IRISH FRIENDSHIP WISH

  May there always be work for your hands to do;
  May your purse always hold a coin or two;
  May the sun always shine on your windowpane;
  May a rainbow be certain to follow each rain;
  May the hand of a friend always be near you;
  May God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.

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<DIV>Take Care</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Janet</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AN IRISH FRIENDSHIP =
WISH</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; May there always be work for your hands to do;<BR>&nbsp; May =
your=20
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  <A title=3DSteveburton612@aol.com=20
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</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 28, 2004 =
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From: kytriyal@comcast.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS: chat
Date: 29 Aug 2004 00:13:32 +0000


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I'll be at chat but maybe a little late. Mom is frustrated and wants to go out to dinner. Probably in at 8 :30 or 9 pm central time.(1/2 hour to an hour late.)
--
Kytriya Luebeck
kytriyal@comcast.net

To be or not to be may be the question, but the answer is a definate maybe I should of, could of... if only.





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I too would be interested in reading them.
Perhaps she would e-mail the stories, to anyone's personal address who =
would like to read them, so they are not posted permanently anywhere?
Take Care

Janet


       AN IRISH FRIENDSHIP WISH

  May there always be work for your hands to do;
  May your purse always hold a coin or two;
  May the sun always shine on your windowpane;
  May a rainbow be certain to follow each rain;
  May the hand of a friend always be near you;
  May God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steveburton612@aol.com=20
  To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:51 PM
  Subject: TPDIS:=20


  Well I just got this story about SUmmer 2003 from a girl who wrote =
every TP story up into a novel with asides and in jokes and stuff like =
that. She doesn't want to post them as fan fic cause I think she just =
wrote it for hersself and her friends who were into TP and she does't =
think they are good. But they are entetraining. The stories then go on =
and on and on, in a good way, as many of our TP fan fic universes do. I =
am trying to get her to post her stuff but to no avail. 
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AN IRISH FRIENDSHIP =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; May there always be work for your hands to do;<BR>&nbsp; May =
your=20
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your=20
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  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2 =
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From: "Darren Bulmer" <mancerbear@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 29 Aug 2004 00:29:06 +0000

Hey George,

I'll get my webmaster onto taht ASAP.  Cheers.

Darren


>From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
>Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Darren Bulmer said:
> >
> > I should be getting my copy here in Australia farily soon...some time 
>next
> > week I'd say...really looking forward to sitting down and wathcing the
> > last 3 seasons. :)
>
>Damn, that was a fast response!!  :)
>
> > Darren Bulmer
> > MancerBear
> > "Things that make ya go WOOF!"
> > www.mancerbear.com
>
>I've linked to your site from www.TCSmudge.com, and if you like I'll add
>it to www.RobinWalden.com. I'd appreciate reciprocal links, if you could.
>
>George
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
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From: ToreenLyn@aol.com
Subject: Re: TPDIS: WISHFUL THINKING
Date: 28 Aug 2004 21:07:43 EDT


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In a message dated 8/28/2004 5:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kytriyal@comcast.net writes:
For once I will be here! I am not going out of town as originally planned. 
Not going camping. Spent $1200 on car repairs and maintanence instead.
--
Kytriya Luebeck
kytriyal@comcast.net
I'm glad you'll be here, but sorry about the car. Never fun speinding money 
on practical stuff. Bleagh!
Toreen

If you don't believe in angels, you've never heard me sing. If you don't 
believe in demons, you've never pissed me off!

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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Chat! (was, WISHFUL THINKING)
Date: 29 Aug 2004 02:09:18 +0100

Some if us are here already :-) Sorry but we're early.


Jackie


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:07 AM


> In a message dated 8/28/2004 5:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kytriyal@comcast.net writes:
> For once I will be here! I am not going out of town as originally planned.
> Not going camping. Spent $1200 on car repairs and maintanence instead.
> --
> Kytriya Luebeck
> kytriyal@comcast.net
> I'm glad you'll be here, but sorry about the car. Never fun speinding
money
> on practical stuff. Bleagh!
> Toreen
>
> If you don't believe in angels, you've never heard me sing. If you don't
> believe in demons, you've never pissed me off!
>





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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 16:15:57 +0100

It's that time once again on a Sunday afternoon... is there anyone picking
up this telepathic message who has time to jaunt into chat?


--------
May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled
             Traditional Manyarnern Greeting

www.The-Tomorrow-People.co.uk





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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 10:44:00 -0500

>It's that time once again on a Sunday afternoon... is there anyone picking
>up this telepathic message who has time to jaunt into chat?
>
>
can anyone tell me how to get into chat using a Mac?  

thanks!
Marie

 





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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 16:59:10 +0100

Will this help at all?

http://www.mirc.co.uk/index




----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:44 PM


> >It's that time once again on a Sunday afternoon... is there anyone
picking
> >up this telepathic message who has time to jaunt into chat?
> >
> >
> can anyone tell me how to get into chat using a Mac?
>
> thanks!
> Marie
>
>
>
>
>
>





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From: "Jeff Cook" <jeff.coast@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 12:20:45 -0400

mIRC does not work on MAC. Use Ircle. http://www.ircle.com/

I don't have a MAC so can't answer anymore questions about the program, but
the commands once you connect would be the same. Somewhere in the program
will be where to enter the server you have. You can use irc.sorcery.net to
get a random server assigned to you. Once connected just type
 
/join #TomorrowPeople

Now one of these days I need to come myself. :) 

http://www.mirc.co.uk/irc.html has some good info on the IRC network.


-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Jackie Clark
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:59 AM

Will this help at all?

http://www.mirc.co.uk/index




----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:44 PM


> >It's that time once again on a Sunday afternoon... is there anyone
picking
> >up this telepathic message who has time to jaunt into chat?
> >
> >
> can anyone tell me how to get into chat using a Mac?
>
> thanks!
> Marie
>
>
>
>
>
>








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From: "Jackie Clark" <Jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 17:22:36 +0100

There's no time like the present... everyone is welcome to join in.

> 
> Now one of these days I need to come myself. :) 
> 
> http://www.mirc.co.uk/irc.html has some good info on the IRC network.
> 





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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 14:24:56 -0500

Jackie wrote:

>Will this help at all?
>
>http://www.mirc.co.uk/index
>

Thanks, but no, cause that's where I first looked.  Everything's for a PC, nothing for Mac.

then Jeff wrote:
>mIRC does not work on MAC. Use Ircle. http://www.ircle.com/

Thanks, Jeff!  I'll go download that one and see if I can get it to work.  

Marie

 





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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 14:53:16 -0700


>Ircle. http://www.ircle.com/
>  
>
>
>Thanks, Jeff!  I'll go download that one and see if I can get it to work.  
>
>Marie
>
Since OS X happened, a lot of folks like Colloquy, too.

http://www.colloquy.info/

I registered Ircle because I like it best (and it stops working after a 
fortnight otherwise)



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From: Selma McCrory <selma@estirose.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 29 Aug 2004 15:28:06 -0700


On Aug 29, 2004, at 2:53 PM, Peter Fagan wrote:
> Since OS X happened, a lot of folks like Colloquy, too.
>
> http://www.colloquy.info/
>
> I registered Ircle because I like it best (and it stops working after 
> a fortnight otherwise)
>
I'm a fan of AthenaIRC, though I think that's OS X only as well. It's 
at: http://www.chipersoft.com/athena/ and while it's no longer in 
development, its replacement, Minerva, looks good as well. I've had no 
problem using it for our chats.

ObTP: For some reason, last night I dreamed that TIM was watching the 
irc chats, and what flew through my mind was that he probably wrote his 
own IRC client....




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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: any one for chat?
Date: 30 Aug 2004 00:03:01 -0500

Thanks to everyone for the Mac help! Got Ircle downloaded and apparently working, but I think I missed the chat. But now it's set up, I'll try again later ; )

Marie

 





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From: kytriyal@comcast.net
Subject: Re: TPDIS:play.com/play usa.com
Date: 31 Aug 2004 16:53:09 +0000


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The problem I have with switching to  play.com is that they can't deliver to USA. The problem with playusa is that they don't carry any region 2 by law. The problem I have with the US is that hollywood has made it almost but not quite entirely impossible for me to buy region dvd's. I have found that sendit.com does send to the usa. I can get brit comedy from here. This is good and I hope this never changes. Thankfully, big finish does ship to USA. Mike and I should be receiving our tp dvd's from sendit.com and our audio tapes from bigfinish soon. sendit already sent the shipment. 
--
TPKyteroo jaunting off

To be or not to be may be the question, 
but  the answer is a definent maybe I 
should of, could of... if only.

What one man ponders, the other man retorts. But a good response to both men as always is: "Pull the other one, Mate!" [Thanks Roger Price!]




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In a message dated 8/28/2004 5:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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For once I will be here! I am not going out of town as originally planned. 
Not going camping. Spent $1200 on car repairs and maintanence instead.
--
Kytriya Luebeck
kytriyal@comcast.net
I'm glad you'll be here, but sorry about the car. Never fun speinding money 
on practical stuff. Bleagh!
Toreen

If you don't believe in angels, you've never heard me sing. If you don't 
believe in demons, you've never pissed me off!

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From: Peter Fagan <peter@theta-g.com>
Subject: TPDIS: DVDs from UK to US
Date: 31 Aug 2004 10:42:33 -0700

Also try http://bensonsworld.co.uk/

- Peter
_________________________________________________________________
Peter Fagan
Theta-G
http://www.theta-g.com | +1-415-931-2680 | +1-415-846-6099 mobile





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From: "Marie H." <beckery@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVDs from UK to US
Date: 31 Aug 2004 12:53:23 -0500

>Also try http://bensonsworld.co.uk/
>
>- Peter
>_________________________________________________________________


looks like a nice site, but they don't have the new box set, or if they do, I couldn't find it.
I ordered the earlier ones from Amazon, no problem with shipping or anything. But I still can't find the newest set, Series 6,7&8, anywhere that will ship immediately to the US.  If anyone has found it, I'd love to hear about it!

Marie

 





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From: Beth E. <tptigger42@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: DVDs from UK to US
Date: 31 Aug 2004 13:49:12 -0500


On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, at 12:53 PM, Marie H. wrote:
> looks like a nice site, but they don't have the new box set, or if 
> they do, I couldn't find it.
> I ordered the earlier ones from Amazon, no problem with shipping or 
> anything. But I still can't find the newest set, Series 6,7&8, 
> anywhere that will ship immediately to the US.  If anyone has found 
> it, I'd love to hear about it!

Right now MVC has an exclusive on that box set for six months.  
Black--er, sendit.com and Benson's World will likely have the 
individual DVDs within a few month.  The company releasing the DVDs, 
Revelation Films, were offering the set for sale, but it disppeared 
within 24 hours of this information being posted to the list.  Chances 
are, due to the MVC exclusive, they had limited stock.  It wouldn't be 
the first time where DVDs were scarce that list members have cleaned 
out a dealer's stock.  I'd recommend keeping an eye on the site and the 
list, as people tend to order their copy, then post to the list where 
they managed to do so.

If you happen to be first to notice it going up for sale, I'd 
definitely recommend ordering yours first.

Hope this helps. :)
Tigger




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From: Jeremy Rogers <jeremy.rogers@zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 31 Aug 2004 23:18:07 +0100

Kathryn Andersen <kat_lists@katspace.com> in message
<20040826222428.GB10385@kat.la.katspace.com> wrote:

> I like both series.  Yes, the chief recurring weakness of the NS was the
> cheesy villains, which was only overcome by the last two adventures with
> such totally unoriginal rip-off plots.

Thank Nickelodeon largely for the cheesy villains ...

They had quite a lot of influence over the first 3 stories; they picked
the ideas for Culex and Monsoon Men out of a list of 10 even though the
authors thought them to be the 2 weakest stories they had presented.

Nick requests were later deliberately ridiculed by some elements of
Living Stones and I have wondered whether they picked up on that.

(For those who don't know, Nickelodeon expressly asked for one of the
serials to feature a pop star and a pet dog, and Lee Pressman subverted
the intent of this request.)

Pressman incidentally watched several OS serials in between his 2
series; Grant Cathro I think took the decision expressly not to watch
the OS.

Jez



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From: kytriyal@comcast.net
Subject: Re: New Series (was Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!)
Date: 01 Sep 2004 03:48:32 +0000

Jeremy Rogers, are you nicknamed Jez? I ask, because I had a pretend friend from ages ago (when I was 3 years old) that became my favorite story character named Jezrxal. His nickname is Jez or Jezzy. I like your nickname. :) That is where I got my Jez character from.
--

TPKyteroo jaunting off

To be or not to be may be the question, 
but  the answer is a definent maybe I 
should of, could of... if only.

What one man ponders, the other man retorts. But a good response to both men as always is: "Pull the other one, Mate!" [Thanks Roger Price!]



> Nick requests were later deliberately ridiculed by some elements of
> Living Stones and I have wondered whether they picked up on that.
> 
> (For those who don't know, Nickelodeon expressly asked for one of the
> serials to feature a pop star and a pet dog, and Lee Pressman subverted
> the intent of this request.)
> 
> Pressman incidentally watched several OS serials in between his 2
> series; Grant Cathro I think took the decision expressly not to watch
> the OS.
> 
> Jez
> 



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From: "Darren Bulmer" <mancerbear@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
Date: 01 Sep 2004 04:31:26 +0000

I got them in the mail today...TP night tonight for me :)


>From: "George Madison" <george.m@dslextreme.com>
>Reply-To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>To: tpdis@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: TPDIS: New Box Set Out!!
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>WOO HOO!!
>
>Thanks to a friend in the UK -- I got my Seasons 6/7/8 box set today!
>
>I don't think it's a spoiler to say that there's a little tribute to
>Philip Gilbert that shows when the disc for Season 6 is loaded. (I haven't
>checked the others yet.)
>
>George
>
>

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