From: owner-trektrade-digest@lists.xmission.com (trektrade-digest) To: trektrade-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: trektrade-digest V98 #111 Reply-To: Enter_E-Mail_Address Sender: owner-trektrade-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-trektrade-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk trektrade-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 98 : Number 111 Digest, Archive and Unsubscribe information can be found at the bottom of this message. -- (TrekTrade) Question and reply (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown Re: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown Re: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown Re: (TrekTrade) Please read <- not an ad Fwd: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:21:28 EDT From: Subject: (TrekTrade) Question and reply Hello Jim, I am a new subscriber to trektrade and recently saw my name listed in one of the continuing point and counter point "trade" postings concerning Glen Frohman. Question - do I write my posting to you, as I am doing now, to have it posted and sent to all the members? Please let me know as soon as you can, so I can reply. thanks Barbara - ---------------------------------------------------------------- TrekTrade is also available in a digest format. To Subscribe to TrekTrade-digest send and put "subscribe trektrade-digest" in the body without the quotes. - -- To Unsubscribe from TrekTrade send and put "unsubscribe trektrade" in the body without the quotes. - -- Previous message archives are available via WWW at: or via FTP at: ftp.xmission.com --in-- /home/ftp/pub/lists/trektrade/archive ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:06:57 EDT From: Subject: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown First, I apologize to all the members of trek trade who have been subjected to this personal slam and counter-slam between: willyee@ugrad.ece.mcgill.ca and Glen Frohman or tradincrds but I need to clear the air about myself, because I was just, politely, informed that I have been placed on several bad traders lists. I traded with Glen 3 times, without incident. I sent a person, (obviously willyee, under another name), a reference stating that. I was listed on willyee trektrade posting yesterday, where he insinuated that I may be Glen, at the very least, that my reference was not genuine. Today, a person refused to trade with me because I was listed as a bad trader on "several" trading pages. ONE: I AM NOT GLEN TWO: I SENT OUT THE REFERENCE AS A COURTESY TO THE INQUIRER, NOT TO BE DRAGGED INTO THIS PERSONAL PROBLEM THREE: IF I AM LISTED AS A BAD TRADER ON YOUR PAGE AND HAVE NEVER TRADED WITH YOU, I INTEND TO ANNOUNCE YOUR ATTEMPT AT DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER ALL OVER THE BOARDS. AND IF LEGALLY POSSIBLE, WILL BRING CIVIL CHARGES AGAINST YOU FOR THE SAME. FOUR: IF I HAVE TRADED WITH YOU, MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS ABOVE, WRITE ME AND TELL ME ALL ABOUT "OUR" TRADE. This is not a game. I am very serious about this situation and do not want any part of your personal quarrel. BARBARA MCFALL - ---------------------------------------------------------------- TrekTrade is also available in a digest format. To Subscribe to TrekTrade-digest send and put "subscribe trektrade-digest" in the body without the quotes. - -- To Unsubscribe from TrekTrade send and put "unsubscribe trektrade" in the body without the quotes. - -- Previous message archives are available via WWW at: or via FTP at: ftp.xmission.com --in-- /home/ftp/pub/lists/trektrade/archive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:27:14 EDT From: Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown i am sorry that u were dragged into it.. i am sorry that u are now considered a risk... i dont know how that could happen.. but that is what has happened to me.. its amazing.. how i can have one bad trade with someone... and it gets blown all out of proportion.... good luck to u on ur attempt to fix that problem... i know i dont have any... but u may be luckier than i am.. as for u being me.. well all the references that i used were posted in the group mail.. and all of them got a copy of it... its funny.. that when i use another name.. im running away... and trying to defraud people... but when willyee does it.. its ok... he used another name to trick me into a trade... since i didnt want to have anything to do with him... then he tells me that i have been ripping off many many people.. and trying to do it again.... he says.. here he goes again... or hes at it again... etc... hes obviously a child with little else to do... but harass me.. and try to get something for nothing... but he doesnt just tell me this... he tells the whole trektrade list the same thing... well.... i have been advised what i should do.. .and ill probably do that... but now u can see that this flame war can get out of hand.. and can drag innocent people into it... like urself... and again.. i am sorry... as u know im a good trader.. an honest one.. and yes one who doesnt want to be taken advantage of.. but im also an eager trader.. and im 38 yrs old... and i dont have time for such childish games as this.... im interested in trading with honest people who wish to do the same... and my reference list is growing... lets see if we can not respond to this flame war.. from now on i know that i am not interested in defending myself anymore.. but i cheer u on bamacf... and hope that u find that... the truth is out there... we all know that the lies are... - ---------------------------------------------------------------- TrekTrade is also available in a digest format. To Subscribe to TrekTrade-digest send and put "subscribe trektrade-digest" in the body without the quotes. - -- To Unsubscribe from TrekTrade send and put "unsubscribe trektrade" in the body without the quotes. - -- Previous message archives are available via WWW at: or via FTP at: ftp.xmission.com --in-- /home/ftp/pub/lists/trektrade/archive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:44:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randomwarp, Inc." Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown First off, let me begin by saying that I am not lying about Glen. I have documentation and a copy of Kristy Hyatt's signature confirming that he has received my package at his address. Also, I have been trading on the net for 3+ years and have accumulated a good reference base. Also, I now know of at least 3 people who have been ripped of by him (including the person who recently posted on trektrade). With that out of the way, it is well known that Glen doctors his refs. Now, if you are indeed a legitimate reference, I mean no disrespect. I apologize for the confusion. If you (or anybody else) doubts my claims, I can provide solid references of nonsport and sport. Please understand that I'm trying to warn people of Glen. If you were successful in trading with Glen, then you are indeed one of the lucky ones. Let's just say that I lost a considerable amount of money from this transaction. As for Glen saying that I'm a liar, I know that I am not and my references know this fact. He keeps on saying that he's a 37 year old man who "doesn't have time for these games". I'm a 24 year old man with a solid job. As for you Barbara, I sincerely apologize if you were dragged into it. If you can provide me with more details of your trades with Glen, and a small list of references, I will certainly post a retraction about you. I would also suggest that you request Glen to remove your name from his reference list. william On Thu, 28 May 1998 BAMacF@aol.com wrote: > First, I apologize to all the members of trek trade who have been subjected to > this personal slam and counter-slam between: > willyee@ugrad.ece.mcgill.ca > and Glen Frohman or tradincrds > but I need to clear the air about myself, because I was just, politely, > informed that I have been placed on several bad traders lists. > > I traded with Glen 3 times, without incident. > I sent a person, (obviously willyee, under another name), a reference stating > that. > I was listed on willyee trektrade posting yesterday, where he insinuated that > I may be Glen, at the very least, that my reference was not genuine. > > Today, a person refused to trade with me because I was listed as a bad trader > on "several" trading pages. > > ONE: I AM NOT GLEN > TWO: I SENT OUT THE REFERENCE AS A COURTESY TO THE INQUIRER, NOT TO BE > DRAGGED INTO THIS PERSONAL PROBLEM > THREE: IF I AM LISTED AS A BAD TRADER ON YOUR PAGE AND HAVE NEVER TRADED > WITH YOU, I INTEND TO ANNOUNCE YOUR ATTEMPT AT DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER ALL > OVER THE BOARDS. AND IF LEGALLY POSSIBLE, WILL BRING CIVIL CHARGES AGAINST > YOU FOR THE SAME. > FOUR: IF I HAVE TRADED WITH YOU, MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS ABOVE, WRITE ME AND TELL > ME ALL ABOUT "OUR" TRADE. > > This is not a game. I am very serious about this situation and do not want > any part of your personal quarrel. > > BARBARA MCFALL > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > TrekTrade is also available in a digest format. > To Subscribe to TrekTrade-digest > send > and put "subscribe trektrade-digest" > in the body without the quotes. > -- > To Unsubscribe from TrekTrade > send > and put "unsubscribe trektrade" > in the body without the quotes. > -- > Previous message archives are available via WWW at: > > or via FTP at: > ftp.xmission.com --in-- /home/ftp/pub/lists/trektrade/archive > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- TrekTrade is also available in a digest format. To Subscribe to TrekTrade-digest send and put "subscribe trektrade-digest" in the body without the quotes. - -- To Unsubscribe from TrekTrade send and put "unsubscribe trektrade" in the body without the quotes. - -- Previous message archives are available via WWW at: or via FTP at: ftp.xmission.com --in-- /home/ftp/pub/lists/trektrade/archive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:59:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randomwarp, Inc." Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) Please read <- not an ad > ...I HAVE TOLD U NUMEROUS TIMES.. THAT U DIDNT SEND ME WHAT U > SAID U WERE SENDING ME.. AND THEREFORE THERE WILL BE NO TRADE.. > U TRIED TO RIP ME OFF.. AND I WONT PUT UP WITH THAT... > ALL CORRESPONDENCE WAS HALTED WHEN I FOUND THAT U WERE > NOT BEING HONEST WITH ME... Please tell me how I "tried" to rip you off. This is the first time I'm hearing about this. I would really like to know. > SO ITS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME... AND I HAVE ONLY ONE AOL > ACCOUNT... Let's just say that from your initial reference list (which I still have BTW), after I suspected that I was being ripped off, I emailed them again. Most of the accounts were off and I received no response from the others. > ALTHO THAT LIST WAS NOT NEW.. IT HAS BEEN UPDATED A FEW > TIMES SINCE THIS COPY WAS SENT.. BUT SINCE I HAD MULTIPLE > COPIES OF SOME OF THE THINGS ON IT.. THERE WAS NO NEED TO > UPDATE IT... > YES U DID ASK FOR THOSE THINGS BUT.. U NEVER SENT WHAT U > WERE SUPPOSED TO SEND FOR THEM... > CASE CLOSED... Tell me, if I didn't send you the cards I was supposed to send. Did I miss something? Please elaborate. Also, even if that was the case, does that give you the right to keep the rest of the cards that I did send? Basically, what you're saying is that if I missed giving you one card, you could say that I tried to rip you off, and keep the rest of the cards. So what was wrong with what I sent you? > HMMMMM MAKES U THINK... DOESNT IT... > U KNOW.. ITS NOT ALWAYS THE FIRST PERSON TO ACCUSE AND RANT > AND RAVE THAT IS THE HONEST ONE... SOMETIMES THE KID THAT SAYS.. > HE TOOK MY PENCIL IS LYING... AND NO PENCIL WAS EVER REALLY TAKEN.. > EVEN IF TWO OR THREE SAY IT... > THERE ARE MANY MORE WHO WILL SAY THAT THE ACCUSED IS HONEST.. > I AM CURRENTLY DEALING WITH MANY MANY PEOPLE ONLINE VIA THE NET > AND VIA AOL... AND I HAVENT HAD ANY PROBLEMS OTHER THAN WITH > THESE TWO... > IF U WISH MORE INFO... CONTACT ME.. AND ILL SEE WHAT I CAN DO... > BUT I WILL NOT RESPOND TO THIS GARBAGE ANYMORE AFTER THIS... Hmm, I would put my reference list against yours any day of the week. Does anybody want to see that? I'm willing to stake my whole internet reputation on this issue. You talk the talk, but are you willing to walk the walk? If you agree, then we should send our refs to a reliable person like Lynne or Jim, and let them check out our refs. Are you game? william - ---------------------------------------------------------------- TrekTrade is also available in a digest format. To Subscribe to TrekTrade-digest send and put "subscribe trektrade-digest" in the body without the quotes. - -- To Unsubscribe from TrekTrade send and put "unsubscribe trektrade" in the body without the quotes. - -- Previous message archives are available via WWW at: or via FTP at: ftp.xmission.com --in-- /home/ftp/pub/lists/trektrade/archive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:58:45 EDT From: Subject: Fwd: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_896417925_boundary Content-ID: <0_896417925@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_896417925_boundary Content-ID: <0_896417925@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TradinCrds@aol.com Return-path: To: willyee@ugrad.ece.mcgill.ca Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:58:21 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-05-29 00:46:13 EDT, you write: << First off, let me begin by saying that I am not lying about Glen. ...since u want everyone to believe u... it would make no sense to admit that u are lying... would it?? I have documentation and a copy of Kristy Hyatt's signature confirming that he has received my package at his address. kristy.. is never home during the day... and has never ever signed for anything at all whatsoever... so thats a lie... i am the one who got the box... and i signed for it... but there was nothing inside of it... Also, I have been trading on the net for 3+ years and have accumulated a good reference base. ...so do i... Also, I now know of at least 3 people who have been ripped of by him (including the person who recently posted on trektrade). ...no.. u know one or two.. but not three.. and u know only that they say it.. not whether or not its true... u only know about ur own experiences.. not others... With that out of the way, it is well known that Glen doctors his refs. ...this cant be well known... its not true... if u email the people on my ref list.. they get the letters.. i dont.... i cant doctor anything... i am not in the same state as most of them... so its unlikely that i am able to do that... also... i am not any of the people on my own reference list... its not well known by anyone but u... Now, if you are indeed a legitimate reference, I mean no disrespect. I apologize for the confusion. ...kind of a bit too late dont u think???? once the bad news is out there its a bit too late to take it back... people only remember what they heard first not second.. and i think its kinda obvious that u are looking to look good in some eyes.. and u will do what ever u can to maintain that .... but some of us can see right thru it.. and we can tell that u are trying to thwart the attention away from urself... and onto others.. that way u dont look bad but u look like the honest innocent victim... oh cmon now.. honest?? u?? hardly... If you (or anybody else) doubts my claims, I can provide solid references of nonsport and sport. Please understand that I'm trying to warn people of Glen. If you were successful in trading with Glen, then you are indeed one of the lucky ones. Let's just say that I lost a considerable amount of money from this transaction. ....there are a lot of lucky ones. .then.... a lot of them.... As for Glen saying that I'm a liar, I know that I am not and my references know this fact. He keeps on saying that he's a 37 year old man who "doesn't have time for these games". I'm a 24 year old man with a solid job. ....i work for myself... and having a job doesnt mean anything... it only means that someone was desperate enuff to hire u... thats all.... i know u are a liar.. and i know im not.. so its ur word against mine... and using different names to flame me.. is old... everyone knows that if there are flamings going on.. under any name.. that its u.... and only u... i have not been having any probs with anyone else other than u... for several months... As for you Barbara, I sincerely apologize if you were dragged into it. If you can provide me with more details of your trades with Glen, and a small list of references, I will certainly post a retraction about you. I would also suggest that you request Glen to remove your name from his reference list. >> ....there is no reason for her to ask me to do that... she is a good reference... why would she not want to be on my ref list?? cuz she has had good dealings with me??? that makes no sense... and u shouldnt need a list of references for her... u are not dealing with her... and u shouldnt have posted a bad posting about her.. in the first place... u dont have the right... u have had no bad experiences with her... so why lie and say that u have had some??? people will see the initial posting but might not see the retraction... but again... unless u have had a bad experience with her... urself.. where do u get off posting negative things about someone???? u know... this one thing that u did.. should show everyone what kind of person u are.... people in ur eyes seem to be guilty before the fact and they have to prove themselves to u... so u can post retractions... hmmm memories of mccarthy.... oh.. well ur too young to know about that i guess... u are no better than those idiots... this is like a withhunt.. im sure u have read about salem... and the trials... i suggest barbara dont send u a list of her refs.. they are none of ur business... and u dont have the right to ask for them.. until u have a trade agreement scheduled.. and u wish to confirm good things about her... i for one would send a good one to anyone who wanted to know... she is one of the best traders on line... and i will never retract that... ur welcum barb.. - --part0_896417925_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- TrekTrade is also available in a digest format. 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