From: Chuck Hards Subject: (utah-astronomy) 2001 Date: 03 Jan 2001 09:38:12 -0800 (PST) Who says Sci-Fi fans don't have a sense of humor? http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/01/02/monolithmystery.ap/index.html If the url gets "folded", re-type it on a single line. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Bauman Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) 2001 Date: 03 Jan 2001 12:11:07 -0600 Thanks, Chuck. I mean to ask yesterday, how could you tell I shot the eclipse through a glass filter? Or did I mention that? What's the advantage of some other kind (other than the obvious advantages of using an H-Alpha filter)? thanks, Joe - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) solar filter material Date: 03 Jan 2001 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) --- Joe Bauman wrote: > Thanks, Chuck. I mean to ask yesterday, how could > you tell I shot the > eclipse through a glass filter? Or did I mention > that? What's the advantage > of some other kind (other than the obvious > advantages of using an H-Alpha > filter)? thanks, Joe Joe, the orange tint was the giveaway. "Standard" mylar filters usually give a blue tint, glass filters yellow or orange (I've seen rare exceptions). The Baader material yields a white image. The advantages of Baader over glass are better contrast, and better resolution, though some may debate the resolution issue. In my own case, my Baader filter ALWAYS yields sharper, more contrasty images than my Thousand Oaks type-2. Removing a colored tint will almost always improve contrast. I can see faculae and plague (low contrast features) much easier with Baader material. Too, glass filters tend to hold onto heat longer than mylar (greater thermal mass), so that may have some bearing on the resolution issue. Also, transmittance seems a bit better with Baader, meaning a brighter image, and shorter exposures for imaging. Can you tell that I love the stuff? I rate it much better than not only TO-2, but Solar-Skreen, and TO-mylar. Astro-Physics is the sole US distributor, AFAIK. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Josephine M. Grahn" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) solar filter material Date: 03 Jan 2001 14:58:05 -0700 At 10:54 AM 1/3/2001 -0800, you wrote: > I can see faculae and plague > >Chuck PLAGUE! Wow, we've had pestilence, but never plague! Sorry, Jo - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) solar filter material Date: 03 Jan 2001 14:45:15 -0800 (PST) Wait for the dreaded "granulation" to "flare" up! (Now I'M sorry!) Chuck --- "Josephine M. Grahn" wrote: > At 10:54 AM 1/3/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > I can see faculae and plague > > > >Chuck > > PLAGUE! Wow, we've had pestilence, but never plague! > > Sorry, > Jo > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: (utah-astronomy) Drive correctors Date: 10 Jan 2001 10:53:45 -0700 Somewhere down the road the telescopes at SPOC 2 might be computerized. But, in the interim (read: until we can come up with loads of extra cash) something simpler will have to do. Bruce and I have been trying to find some place that sells stand alone drive correctors. That's to say, ones like we all used to use before telescope makers started building them into the scopes. We've called a few places with no luck. Anyone out there have any ideas? Patrick :-) - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Drive correctors Date: 10 Jan 2001 11:04:21 -0800 (PST) --- Patrick Wiggins wrote: > Bruce and I have been trying to find some place that > sells stand alone drive > correctors. That's to say, ones like we all used to > use before telescope makers > started building them into the scopes. > > We've called a few places with no luck. What wattage? Are you asking for a variable-frequency oscillator for AC motors? I really doubt that an old, off-the-shelf corrector has the output to drive a 37" scope, but maybe the circuit could be modified. They should work OK on the 16". What's the budget, & how many do we need? Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: (utah-astronomy) Re: Drive correctors Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:18:42 -0700 Whoops! I should have mentioned in my first message that suggestions and questions should be directed to Bruce Grim at bgrim@erda.net or 435-882-5237. Patrick Chuck Hards wrote: > > --- Patrick Wiggins wrote: > > > Bruce and I have been trying to find some place that > > sells stand alone drive > > correctors. That's to say, ones like we all used to > > use before telescope makers > > started building them into the scopes. > > > > We've called a few places with no luck. > > What wattage? Are you asking for a variable-frequency > oscillator for AC motors? I really doubt that an old, > off-the-shelf corrector has the output to drive a 37" > scope, but maybe the circuit could be modified. They > should work OK on the 16". > > What's the budget, & how many do we need? - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brent Watson" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Drive correctors Date: 10 Jan 2001 14:56:49 -0700 I will look n the junk pile I maintain. I may have something that will = work. Brent >>> p.wiggins@m.cc.utah.edu 01/10/01 10:53AM >>> Somewhere down the road the telescopes at SPOC 2 might be computerized. = But, in the interim (read: until we can come up with loads of extra cash) = something simpler will have to do. Bruce and I have been trying to find some place that sells stand alone = drive correctors. That's to say, ones like we all used to use before telescope = makers started building them into the scopes. We've called a few places with no luck. Anyone out there have any ideas? Patrick :-) - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.c= om" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: forrell@es.com Subject: (utah-astronomy) Telescope Drive corrector Date: 10 Jan 2001 15:01:25 -0700 I have a Vogel (?) drive corrector "kit" that I've never used and have been meaning to put on eBay. The kit consist of a finished PC board (already stuffed with components) and controls. All it really needs is a small cabinet. I'm at work so I really don't remember all the details. The best thing would be to call me at home so I could describe everything to you. I'm usually home by 7pm, but tonight I'll be late. You are welcome to call up to 10pm. My number is 801-944-1332 I think this is what you are looking for. It outputs 120 Vac to drive a synchronus motor with variable frequencies. I don't know the wattage load it can handle, so we need to confirm that. Fred Orrell Evans & Sutherland Corp. Digital Theaters Division 600 Komas Drive Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 Phone: 801-588-7415 Fax: 801-588-4520 Email: forrell@es.com - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Tenney Subject: (utah-astronomy) Fwd: NGC/IC website Date: 12 Jan 2001 08:28:24 -0800 (PST) --0-635397964-979316904=:13833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This from Debbie Whitaker; looks way cool! Enjoy, Rich. Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --0-635397964-979316904=:13833 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Apparently-To: retenney@yahoo.com via web9101 Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.70) by mta211.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 22:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from UTAHDEB@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id r.d6.e44634 (4221) for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:16:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.e44634.278ffb4b_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 172 Content-Length: 3595 --part1_d6.e44634.278ffb4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 > > Message 652 of 681 " border=3D0 height=3D18=20 src=3D"http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/eg/img/ui/arrow_next.gif" width= =3D18>=20 =A0 =A0 [=A0Reply=A0] [=A0Forward=A0] [=A0View Source= =A0] =A0 =A0 =20 =20 Hi Rich,=A0 =20 ...there is something called the IC/NGC project. 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(My observing log book was lost in an apartment flood in 1983, and I never had the heart to start another!) Seems that the auroral displays were stronger then, too. I remember one seen at Little Mountain that was brighter than the Salt Lake light dome. Agreement? Disagreement? Thanks! Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Wiggins Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Solar imaging & other thoughts Date: 22 Jan 2001 14:20:41 -0700 Chuck Hards wrote: > > Seems that the auroral displays were stronger then, > too. I remember one seen at Little Mountain that was > brighter than the Salt Lake light dome. > > Agreement? Disagreement? I definitely remember an incredible auroral display as seen from Little Mountain in 1991. Much better than what we've seen so far during this maximum. Patrick - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brent Watson" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Solar imaging & other thoughts Date: 22 Jan 2001 14:13:51 -0700 There seems to have been a fair amount of auroral activity this year. One = of the best, if not the best, aurora I have seen was on the front side of = this current peak. Many of us saw this from the Wedge. It consisted of = blue, green and yellow streamers with plenty of red curtains. The extent = of the activity wa from the NNW through the E, and I believe well over 45 = degrees into the sky. There was also a big display on April 6th of 2000. As far as naked eye sunspots, there was one visible just before New = Year's. There have also been others this last year. That being said, the = numbers do appear to be down from the last half cycle. See the following = site: http://web.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/SSN/annual.gif My opinion is that this has been a pretty good solar max. There are several sites on hte net that have the time lapse movies you = mention. Here are a couple: http://www.spaceweather.com/java/solar-anim.html and=20 http://www.sunspot.noao.edu/LIVE/movies.html=20 Brent >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 01/22/01 01:45PM >>> Has anyone on this list ever tried imaging the sun at regular intervals, with the intention/result of making a time-lapse movie? Also, it seems to my feeble memory that the last solar max displayed more sunspot activity. I recall several large, naked-eye sunspot groups then, and haven't really noticed any groups that large this time. Of course, I have a child now, and didn't then, so perhaps I paid closer attention then. (My observing log book was lost in an apartment flood in 1983, and I never had the heart to start another!) Seems that the auroral displays were stronger then, too. I remember one seen at Little Mountain that was brighter than the Salt Lake light dome. =20 Agreement? Disagreement?=20 Thanks!=20 Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.=20 http://auctions.yahoo.com/=20 - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.c= om" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brent Watson" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Solar imaging & other thoughts Date: 22 Jan 2001 14:20:53 -0700 Sorry, I found what may be a better site for this stuff. It is: http://sidc.oma.be/index.php3=20 Brent >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 01/22/01 01:45PM >>> Has anyone on this list ever tried imaging the sun at regular intervals, with the intention/result of making a time-lapse movie? Also, it seems to my feeble memory that the last solar max displayed more sunspot activity. I recall several large, naked-eye sunspot groups then, and haven't really noticed any groups that large this time. Of course, I have a child now, and didn't then, so perhaps I paid closer attention then. (My observing log book was lost in an apartment flood in 1983, and I never had the heart to start another!) Seems that the auroral displays were stronger then, too. I remember one seen at Little Mountain that was brighter than the Salt Lake light dome. =20 Agreement? Disagreement?=20 Thanks!=20 Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.=20 http://auctions.yahoo.com/=20 - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.c= om" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Pierce" Subject: (utah-astronomy) First Light Ceremony Date: 22 Jan 2001 22:27:54 -0000 I just received a new telescope and would like to hold a first light ceremony with some friends and family. I have never been to a first light ceremony or a major telescope and so I am asking for ideas of what we could do. Is there a traditional program to follow? Is there a traditional star, planet or deep sky object to observe first? Should we serve refreshments, have speeches? Any ideas anyone has would be appreciated. Thanks in advance from a new member of the list. Mark T. Pierce piercem99@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) First Light Ceremony Date: 23 Jan 2001 07:23:03 -0800 (PST) Mark, you'll need cigars, brandy, a buffet table, and a military band! Seriously, "first light" is typically a ceremony of confirmation, to demonstrate to the engineers who built it, and the donors who funded it, that it performs as advertised, and is ready to go to work. The choice of target, and agenda is strictly up to you. My choice for a first light target would probably be Saturn, right now. It has the highest "wow" factor of just about any celestial object. Chuck --- Mark Pierce wrote: > I just received a new telescope and would like to > hold a first light > ceremony with some friends and family. > > I have never been to a first light ceremony or a > major telescope and so I am > asking for ideas of what we could do. > > Is there a traditional program to follow? Is there a > traditional star, > planet or deep sky object to observe first? Should > we serve refreshments, > have speeches? Any ideas anyone has would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance from a new member of the list. > > > Mark T. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: (utah-astronomy) Solar activity Date: 23 Jan 2001 07:30:25 -0800 (PST) Brent, thanks for those links, but I was thinking of local projects. Has anyone around here tried solar animation, in white light, or H-a? Patrick, I think we saw the same display in 1991. IIRC, it was spread out over two or more nights. I saw massive green curtains and pillars, shifting from minute-to-minute. Reaching to well over 50-degrees in altitude, and about 100-degrees in azimuth, it was and is still the best auroral display I've ever seen. Curiously, the camera recorded the whole thing as red! Obviously, the film and eye are sensitive to different wavelengths. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Brady Subject: (utah-astronomy) Sonotube sources? Date: 27 Jan 2001 09:17:10 -0700 Where can I buy a sonotube in Salt Lake? I need about a 14 1/2" tube. Is there a preferred source or brand name for our particular application? On a related note, I will (hopefully, assuming all goes well...) soon have a 12 1/2" X 2 3/16" mirror ready for a scope. Does a 1 to 6 thickness ratio mirror like this really require a 9 point flotation mirror cell or can I get away with just a more simple Dobson mirror mount? Thanks in advance for information about a tube source, Richard Brady (the unknown SLAS lurker ;^) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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But their off the shelf tube is quite good. As for the mirror cell I have always toyed with the idea of using the large bubble wrap for a support. Ron Vanderhule ( OAS lurker ) Richard Brady wrote: > Where can I buy a sonotube in Salt Lake? I need about a 14 1/2" tube. > Is there a preferred source or brand name for > our particular application? > > On a related note, I will (hopefully, assuming all goes well...) soon > have a 12 1/2" X 2 3/16" mirror ready for a scope. Does a 1 to 6 > thickness ratio mirror like this really require a 9 point flotation > mirror cell or can I get away with just a more simple Dobson mirror > mount? > > Thanks in advance for information about a tube source, > Richard Brady > (the unknown SLAS lurker ;^) > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Sonotube sources? Date: 29 Jan 2001 07:42:58 -0800 (PST) Richard, I second Ron's suggestion for ICS. Though I personally don't use Sonotubes anymore, (except as forms for fiberglass tubes) they did get a lot of my money in the past! (Ron, are they still on 17th S. & about 4th W. in S.L.?) Your mirror is adequately thick for 3-point support, and you won't even need a sling. Just position the perimeter supports closer to the back edge than the front edge. Be sure to post a link to photos when you get this scope done, we'd love to see it! Chuck --- Richard Brady wrote: > Where can I buy a sonotube in Salt Lake? I need > about a 14 1/2" tube. > Is there a preferred source or brand name for > our particular application? > > On a related note, I will (hopefully, assuming all > goes well...) soon > have a 12 1/2" X 2 3/16" mirror ready for a scope. > Does a 1 to 6 > thickness ratio mirror like this really require a 9 > point flotation > mirror cell or can I get away with just a more > simple Dobson mirror > mount? > > Thanks in advance for information about a tube > source, > Richard Brady > (the unknown SLAS lurker ;^) > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. 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Though I > personally don't use Sonotubes anymore, (except as > forms for fiberglass tubes) they did get a lot of my > money in the past! (Ron, are they still on 17th S. & > about 4th W. in S.L.?) > > Your mirror is adequately thick for 3-point support, > and you won't even need a sling. Just position the > perimeter supports closer to the back edge than the > front edge. > > Be sure to post a link to photos when you get this > scope done, we'd love to see it! > > Chuck > > --- Richard Brady wrote: > > Where can I buy a sonotube in Salt Lake? I need > > about a 14 1/2" tube. > > Is there a preferred source or brand name for > > our particular application? > > > > On a related note, I will (hopefully, assuming all > > goes well...) soon > > have a 12 1/2" X 2 3/16" mirror ready for a scope. > > Does a 1 to 6 > > thickness ratio mirror like this really require a 9 > > point flotation > > mirror cell or can I get away with just a more > > simple Dobson mirror > > mount? > > > > Thanks in advance for information about a tube > > source, > > Richard Brady > > (the unknown SLAS lurker ;^) > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > > the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and > > old messages send > > "help" to the same address. 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Date: 30 Jan 2001 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) Wow, thanks, Ron, you've probably made more of them than I! (You have my mailing address, to send the royalty checks, right?):) The finder for the Ealing 16" Cassegrain is in it's final stages. I'm going to try and bring it to the next SLAS meeting to show off, and turn it over to Bruce. It features a plexiglass reticle with an intersting "bulls-eye" style reticle, in a style that I've not seen before. The atm-types might find it interesting. Chuck --- karen vanderhule wrote: > Chuck, Yeah, it was a couple of years ago but > that was approx the vicinity. > BTW I did another of your woodshop scopes for my > neighbor this last Christmas. It > was beautiful. Ron __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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I have tried researching his name, with no success. Perhaps one of you reading this now can find out his name, and the details of the mission. Please post your findings if you are successful. Good luck! Chuck __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Bauman Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) First human in space Date: 31 Jan 2001 12:25:41 -0600 Chuck, I doubt the truth of that story simply because so much has come out about the Soviet space program since the fall of communism. One of the stories that circulated when I was a high school student in the early 1960s -- and which seemed perfectly believable at the time -- was that a cosmonaut was unable to return to Earth. I grew up on a missile base called Kwajalein, Marshall Islands. According to this rumor, we were able to pick up on Russian radio transmissions. When the cosmonaut began bitterly denouncing the whole slipshod system that left him there, the controllers switched off their radio link, so he was just shouting and screaming into a radio that did not respond. Anyway, that is something like the rumor. I believed it. In later years I kept my eyes peeled for any such report, but nothing ever surfaced. There was no secret about space disasters like the cosmonauts who landed dead. The closest verified story to a coverup was that a lot of officials were killed during an experimental launch and the news was suppressed, but that's nothing like this tale. -- Joe Bauman - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) First human in space Date: 31 Jan 2001 10:56:45 -0800 (PST) Yes, Joe, that was my first impression. But the three cosmonauts who died was much later in the space program, and the launch disaster of their moon shot was impossible to hide (they lost most of their senior people, who were out looking over the rocket before it blew up) I've heard this "first man" story before, from both civilian and military sources, as well as a person who fancies himself a Soviet space historian. According to these sources, this person DID return, albeit not in one piece. I hope someone digs a little deeper, misgivings aside. Chuck --- Joe Bauman wrote: > Chuck, I doubt the truth of that story simply > because so much has come out > about the Soviet space program since the fall of > communism. One of the > stories that circulated when I was a high school > student in the early 1960s > -- and which seemed perfectly believable at the time > -- was that a > cosmonaut was unable to return to Earth. I grew up > on a missile base called > Kwajalein, Marshall Islands. According to this > rumor, we were able to pick > up on Russian radio transmissions. When the > cosmonaut began bitterly > denouncing the whole slipshod system that left him > there, the controllers > switched off their radio link, so he was just > shouting and screaming into a > radio that did not respond. Anyway, that is > something like the rumor. I > believed it. In later years I kept my eyes peeled > for any such report, but > nothing ever surfaced. There was no secret about > space disasters like the > cosmonauts who landed dead. The closest verified > story to a coverup was > that a lot of officials were killed during an > experimental launch and the > news was suppressed, but that's nothing like this > tale. -- Joe Bauman > > > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Nagel" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) First human in space Date: 31 Jan 2001 12:21:40 -0700 I had heard stories for years about this and saw something on PBS several = years ago. It mentioned the son of the aircraft designer, Ilyushin. I = finally found a web site about this, but as with anything like this, who = knows what the actual truth is. http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/ilyushin.htm=20 - Bob Nagel Utah AGRC bnagel@gis.state.ut.us >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 01/31/01 11:56AM >>> Yes, Joe, that was my first impression. But the three cosmonauts who died was much later in the space program, and the launch disaster of their moon shot was impossible to hide (they lost most of their senior people, who were out looking over the rocket before it blew up) I've heard this "first man" story before, from both civilian and military sources, as well as a person who fancies himself a Soviet space historian. According to these sources, this person DID return, albeit not in one piece. I hope someone digs a little deeper, misgivings aside. Chuck --- Joe Bauman wrote: > Chuck, I doubt the truth of that story simply > because so much has come out > about the Soviet space program since the fall of > communism. One of the > stories that circulated when I was a high school > student in the early 1960s > -- and which seemed perfectly believable at the time > -- was that a > cosmonaut was unable to return to Earth. I grew up > on a missile base called > Kwajalein, Marshall Islands. According to this > rumor, we were able to pick > up on Russian radio transmissions. When the > cosmonaut began bitterly > denouncing the whole slipshod system that left him > there, the controllers > switched off their radio link, so he was just > shouting and screaming into a > radio that did not respond. Anyway, that is > something like the rumor. I > believed it. In later years I kept my eyes peeled > for any such report, but > nothing ever surfaced. There was no secret about > space disasters like the > cosmonauts who landed dead. The closest verified > story to a coverup was > that a lot of officials were killed during an > experimental launch and the > news was suppressed, but that's nothing like this > tale. -- Joe Bauman >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35=20 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/=20 - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.c= om" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Nagel" Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) First human in space Date: 31 Jan 2001 12:21:40 -0700 I had heard stories for years about this and saw something on PBS several = years ago. It mentioned the son of the aircraft designer, Ilyushin. I = finally found a web site about this, but as with anything like this, who = knows what the actual truth is. http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/ilyushin.htm=20 - Bob Nagel Utah AGRC bnagel@gis.state.ut.us >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 01/31/01 11:56AM >>> Yes, Joe, that was my first impression. But the three cosmonauts who died was much later in the space program, and the launch disaster of their moon shot was impossible to hide (they lost most of their senior people, who were out looking over the rocket before it blew up) I've heard this "first man" story before, from both civilian and military sources, as well as a person who fancies himself a Soviet space historian. According to these sources, this person DID return, albeit not in one piece. I hope someone digs a little deeper, misgivings aside. Chuck --- Joe Bauman wrote: > Chuck, I doubt the truth of that story simply > because so much has come out > about the Soviet space program since the fall of > communism. One of the > stories that circulated when I was a high school > student in the early 1960s > -- and which seemed perfectly believable at the time > -- was that a > cosmonaut was unable to return to Earth. I grew up > on a missile base called > Kwajalein, Marshall Islands. According to this > rumor, we were able to pick > up on Russian radio transmissions. When the > cosmonaut began bitterly > denouncing the whole slipshod system that left him > there, the controllers > switched off their radio link, so he was just > shouting and screaming into a > radio that did not respond. Anyway, that is > something like the rumor. I > believed it. In later years I kept my eyes peeled > for any such report, but > nothing ever surfaced. There was no secret about > space disasters like the > cosmonauts who landed dead. The closest verified > story to a coverup was > that a lot of officials were killed during an > experimental launch and the > news was suppressed, but that's nothing like this > tale. -- Joe Bauman >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35=20 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/=20 - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.c= om" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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I > finally found a web site about this, but as with > anything like this, who knows what the actual truth > is. > http://www.lostcosmonauts.com/ilyushin.htm > - Bob Nagel > > Utah AGRC > bnagel@gis.state.ut.us > > >>> chuckhards@yahoo.com 01/31/01 11:56AM >>> > Yes, Joe, that was my first impression. But the > three > cosmonauts who died was much later in the space > program, and the launch disaster of their moon shot > was impossible to hide (they lost most of their > senior > people, who were out looking over the rocket before > it > blew up) > > I've heard this "first man" story before, from both > civilian and military sources, as well as a person > who > fancies himself a Soviet space historian. According > to these sources, this person DID return, albeit not > in one piece. > > I hope someone digs a little deeper, misgivings > aside. > > Chuck > > --- Joe Bauman wrote: > > Chuck, I doubt the truth of that story simply > > because so much has come out > > about the Soviet space program since the fall of > > communism. One of the > > stories that circulated when I was a high school > > student in the early 1960s > > -- and which seemed perfectly believable at the > time > > -- was that a > > cosmonaut was unable to return to Earth. I grew up > > on a missile base called > > Kwajalein, Marshall Islands. According to this > > rumor, we were able to pick > > up on Russian radio transmissions. When the > > cosmonaut began bitterly > > denouncing the whole slipshod system that left him > > there, the controllers > > switched off their radio link, so he was just > > shouting and screaming into a > > radio that did not respond. Anyway, that is > > something like the rumor. I > > believed it. In later years I kept my eyes peeled > > for any such report, but > > nothing ever surfaced. There was no secret about > > space disasters like the > > cosmonauts who landed dead. The closest verified > > story to a coverup was > > that a lot of officials were killed during an > > experimental launch and the > > news was suppressed, but that's nothing like this > > tale. -- Joe Bauman > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > > the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files > and > > old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > > your message. > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Hards Subject: (utah-astronomy) Re: First human in space Date: 31 Jan 2001 13:23:28 -0800 (PST) I have received some criticism from people who feel that the title of "first" human in space requires further qualifications, such as remaining on-schedule, re-entry in perfect health, etc. As if the Guiness Book established the standards. Hmph. I strongly disagree with this attitude. Space flight is not an olympic event; these people are pioneers, explorers, not performers being judged on finesse and presentation. They risk their lives for the advancement of human knowledge, and must be justly credited, especially if they paid the ultimate price for their courage. Have we become so desensitized to the amazing thing that is space flight, that we now hold up score cards, and judge the mission by its Nielson ratings? I hope not. If we were to judge all human achievements in a truly objective, non-relative manner, then sending one of our species into orbit, and later to the moon, are really THE ONLY significant achievements of our species. EVERYTHING ELSE, from the discovery of fire to LINUX to telescope making, is just busy work. (I may make an exception for the harnassing of atomic processes.) Let's not let any more brave pioneers be forgotten. OK, I'm off the soapbox now... Chuck __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piqa Ravenheart Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Re: First human in space Date: 31 Jan 2001 14:48:59 -0700 The ONLY significant achievement... hrm, I have to disagree with you there. First of all, everything before space flight has been a base for getting a person in space, and so, in my opinion, needs to have some importance, if not just as much importance. We are riding on the shoulders of our ancestors. Also, there are other viewpoints as well which are not based on pure science. Perhaps a vulcan would state that the only purpose of any species is to develop technology, and discover the universe... but there are also the internal achievements humans have accomplished, with include emotional, medical, psychological ... etc. Perhaps to an Astronomy list, the most significant achievement is to reach space. However, were this a medical list, perhaps it'd be the abolition of a particular nasty virus, or if it were a psychological list, perhaps it would be the major developments in the recent past of the changes made in learning different mental / psychological techniques. I will say, in my personal life, a man on the moon is not, to me, the ONLY significant achievement. =P I think it more depends on point of view. Cynthia Chuck Hards wrote: > If we were to judge all human achievements in a > truly objective, non-relative manner, then sending one > of our species into orbit, and later to the moon, are > really THE ONLY significant achievements of our > species. EVERYTHING ELSE, from the discovery of fire > to LINUX to telescope making, is just busy work. (I > may make an exception for the harnassing of atomic > processes.) > > Let's not let any more brave pioneers be forgotten. > > OK, I'm off the soapbox now... > > Chuck - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skylinc Subject: (utah-astronomy) Reply to chuck Date: 31 Jan 2001 15:06:35 -0700 Cynthia, I liked your remarks. Chuck, I understand your remarks. But, I can't help but respond to the statement "They risk their lives for the advancement of human knowledge, and must be justly credited, especially if they paid the ultimate price for their courage." I have to disagree with it in one way. They didn't have to risk their lives. Risking your life is for glory. If I risked my life just so mankind could have some data I would call it foolish. Why are we not risking more lives in space? I think the space race was just that "a race". It was a huge endeavor not accomplished by one but many. I think we should give the person credit and also allot of credit to all that cash that put men in space. Just imagine swimming in it. Ray Harmon - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Barney B." <993@prodigy.net> Subject: (utah-astronomy) FW: NASA night photo of earth Date: 31 Jan 2001 15:05:15 -0700 My daughter sent this link to me. She thinks it's cool. I think it's beautiful but sad. BB http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piqa Ravenheart Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Reply to chuck Date: 31 Jan 2001 15:21:01 -0700 You know what I think is odd... When I went to St. Louis and saw the movie about the Arch, it said that they plan on so many deaths per project... it's figured into such things. However, when people go to space, and a shuttle accidentally explodes, the entire space project is put on hold because of those tragic deaths. But, I don't see bridges and such being stopped mid-project because of some mere deaths. This suggests to me that certain lives are more important than others, which I think is horrible. Yes, those who travel into space should be honored for their risk. However, no one person is more important than any other person, no matter what project they are working on. It's a shame our society seems to consider such. As for courage vs. foolishness ... I see your point on that, too. I suspect much of the 'space race' was for purposes not necessarily honorable, more cash or fame based... however, I don't think we can really know the intentions, and can only interpret them each on his or her own. I like to believe that there was a considerable amount of courage involved. ;) However, I don't really believe much I read on the web. Reaching the moon is an incredible accomplishment. The Hoover Dam is also incredible. It was build in the 30s. Did you know they finished that 2 years early, and under budget? lol... a government project at that... now THAT is a feat! And how many people died for that project? Very many, indeed. Cynthia skylinc wrote: > Cynthia, I liked your remarks. > > Chuck, I understand your remarks. > > But, I can't help but respond to the statement "They risk their lives for > the advancement of human knowledge, and must be justly credited, > especially if they paid the ultimate price for their courage." I have to > disagree with it in one way. They didn't have to risk their lives. > Risking your life is for glory. If I risked my life just so mankind could > have some data I would call it foolish. Why are we not risking more lives > in space? > > I think the space race was just that "a race". It was a huge endeavor not > accomplished by one but many. I think we should give the person credit > and also allot of credit to all that cash that put men in space. Just > imagine swimming in it. > > Ray Harmon > > - > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Tenney Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Reply to chuck & others Date: 31 Jan 2001 14:25:33 -0800 (PST) Funny how I find myself agreeing with all of you... Believe it or not, I watched "The Right Stuff" for the first time ever last week; amazing that I let it go for so long (I happened upon it in the Orem Public Library on DVD of all places). It was amazingly good, and very inspiring. In fact, it made me think that it would be way cool if we could get one of the astronauts (preferably a moon-walker) to make a guest appearance at SLC's hosting of Astrocon 2002? Order a bunch of photos and do a signing perhaps? Don't y'all think that would be not only way cool, but in turn pay tribute to one of our heroes that seem nowadays to be all but forgotten by the "MTV generation"? I have no idea of cost or availability or how to go about finding one of them even; but I sure would be willing to put him up at my house for a day or so! :-) Would it be possible to swing the airfare at least? Comments, suggestions, or criticism? Perhaps this isn't the place to explore this too far (next SLAS meeting?), but I wanted to toss the idea out there at least... -Rich --- skylinc wrote: > Cynthia, I liked your remarks. > > Chuck, I understand your remarks. > > But, I can't help but respond to the statement "They > risk their lives for > the advancement of human knowledge, and must be > justly credited, > especially if they paid the ultimate price for their > courage." I have to > disagree with it in one way. They didn't have to > risk their lives. > Risking your life is for glory. If I risked my life > just so mankind could > have some data I would call it foolish. Why are we > not risking more lives > in space? > > I think the space race was just that "a race". It > was a huge endeavor not > accomplished by one but many. I think we should give > the person credit > and also allot of credit to all that cash that put > men in space. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piqa Ravenheart Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) FW: NASA night photo of earth Date: 31 Jan 2001 15:26:51 -0700 Yes Beautiful but sad. Very very sad in many ways. Anyone ever watch/read Red Dwarf? In the books, after humans have moved to the rest of the solar system, they vote on which of the 9 planets will be the garbage planet, because there is too much garbage. Everyone figures since Earth is so bad off anyway, why not make it the garbage planet. Ack. Funny, but sad. "Barney B." wrote: > My daughter sent this link to me. She thinks it's cool. I think it's > beautiful but sad. > > BB > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg > - To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. 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