From: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-astronomy-digest) To: utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-astronomy-digest V1 #50 Reply-To: utah-astronomy-digest Sender: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-astronomy-digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 050 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Tenney Subject: (utah-astronomy) Sir Fred Hoyle I was pretty sad to learn of the passing of Sir Fred Hoyle; his book "Frontiers of Astronomy" was a key part of my developing a love of the heavens many years ago. I can't say I enjoyed his attempt(s) at Science Fiction, but he was an outstanding Astronomer, and two of his books that I own on astronomy/cosmology are superb. My 2 cents, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Sir Fred Hoyle Wasn't Hoyle the originator of the "Dirty Snowball" comet model? Chuck - --- Richard Tenney wrote: > I was pretty sad to learn of the passing of Sir Fred > Hoyle; his book "Frontiers of Astronomy" was a key > part of my developing a love of the heavens many > years > ago. I can't say I enjoyed his attempt(s) at > Science > Fiction, but he was an outstanding Astronomer, and > two > of his books that I own on astronomy/cosmology are > superb. > > My 2 cents, > Rich > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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I can't say I enjoyed his attempt(s) at > > Science > > Fiction, but he was an outstanding Astronomer, and > > two > > of his books that I own on astronomy/cosmology are > > superb. > > > > My 2 cents, > > Rich > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > > the message. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - --0-1542952646-998596524=:32254-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: (utah-astronomy) Yard Sales This weekend I picked up a Meade 60mm f/15 refractor on equatorial mount, for only $15 at a neighborhood yard sale! The whole thing was dusty and in need of adjustment, but there was no damage and it cleaned up nicely. The focuser is .965" plastic junk, but I just happened to have an aluminmum 1.25" model on-hand, that fit the tube perfectly. The lens shows almost no spurious color at f/15; as good as a doublet gets. Even the finder has an achromatic objective and metal barrel- I'd say this one is an early-to-mid eighties model. It has slow-motions on both axes. I have also found projection lenses, binoculars, and loose optics, all at Wasatch-front yard sales in recent years, for mere pennies on the dollar. I would encourage all atm's to not forget the resource that is sometimes right next door! Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: (utah-astronomy) Big Sunspot I was just checking out a new finder I have made (57x362 objective, home-made 24mm Plossl eyepiece) and noticed another big sunspot group, no doubt the region responsible for the aurora alert now in effect. Check it out! Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Tenney Subject: (utah-astronomy) Telescope for sale A colleague of mine wants to sell his telescope as he never seems to have or find the time to use it. Here's his description: - ----------------------------------- For Sale: Meade Starfinder 10" f/4.5 Dobsonian Telescope. Excellent condition. Fully assembled. Has spotting scope and Telrad. Has been collimated. 1.25" focuser with a 25 mm eyepiece. Includes Instruction Manual. $575.00. Craig Moe 319-4466 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:19:13 -0600 From: Joe Bauman Subject: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Dear fellow amateurs astronomers, I am working on a story for the Deseret News about light pollution. Some of you know I started on it long ago, but then our competition picked up on the subject and it would have been unseemly to follow them right away, so I put it off. Now it's back on. Please contact me with e-mail descriptions of the light pollution scene in Utah, if you are interested. I will need this as soon as possible. Tell me anything you wish about the topic, whether ordinances should be changed, whether you've had any bad experiences, if things are OK as they are -- anything. And I would like it today if possible. It would be for a story that I'd hope to have in the paper on Monday. Thanks very much, Joe Bauman, science writer, Deseret News. PS: Someone in the group sent me some info on the subject by mail. In case I can't find it quickly, could you tell me again about it? - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:51:35 -0400 From: "Steinicke, Brett" Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FC8.8D56DF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think it would be good to mention why tail lights are red and why headlights are shielded. Brett - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Bauman [mailto:bau@desnews.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:19 AM To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com Subject: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Dear fellow amateurs astronomers, I am working on a story for the Deseret News about light pollution. Some of you know I started on it long ago, but then our competition picked up on the subject and it would have been unseemly to follow them right away, so I put it off. Now it's back on. Please contact me with e-mail descriptions of the light pollution scene in Utah, if you are interested. I will need this as soon as possible. Tell me anything you wish about the topic, whether ordinances should be changed, whether you've had any bad experiences, if things are OK as they are -- anything. And I would like it today if possible. It would be for a story that I'd hope to have in the paper on Monday. Thanks very much, Joe Bauman, science writer, Deseret News. PS: Someone in the group sent me some info on the subject by mail. In case I can't find it quickly, could you tell me again about it? - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FC8.8D56DF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution

I think it would be good to mention why tail lights = are red and why headlights are shielded.

Brett

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Bauman [mailto:bau@desnews.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:19 AM
To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com
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Dear fellow amateurs astronomers, I am working on a = story for the Deseret
News about light pollution. Some of you know I = started on it long ago, but
then our competition picked up on the subject and it = would have been
unseemly to follow them right away, so I put it off. = Now it's back on.
Please contact me with e-mail descriptions of the = light pollution scene in
Utah, if you are interested. I will need this as = soon as possible. Tell me
anything you wish about the topic, whether = ordinances should be changed,
whether you've had any bad experiences, if things = are OK as they are --
anything. And I would like it today if possible. It = would be for a story
that I'd hope to have in the paper on Monday. Thanks = very much, Joe Bauman,
science writer, Deseret News.

PS: Someone in the group sent me some info on the = subject by mail. In case
I can't find it quickly, could you tell me again = about it?



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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FC8.8D56DF90-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:53:32 -0600 From: Joe Bauman Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Can you go into that more deeply for me? I'd like to quote you on that. jb - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:35:24 -0400 From: "Steinicke, Brett" Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FD7.0E561080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The point I was making with the cars is that there are reasons for shielded lighting besides light pollution. There are safety concerns. When you are driving you don't want lights shining right in your eyes. Even lighting around your house or business shielded is better because then you cast light on what you want people to see rather than casting light in their eyes or into space. Brett - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Bauman [mailto:bau@desnews.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:54 AM To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Can you go into that more deeply for me? I'd like to quote you on that. jb - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FD7.0E561080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution

The point I was making with the cars is that there = are reasons for shielded lighting besides light pollution. There are = safety concerns. When you are driving you don't want lights shining = right in your eyes. Even lighting around your house or business = shielded is better because then you cast light on what you want people = to see rather than casting light in their eyes or into space. =

Brett

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To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com
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Can you go into that more deeply for me? I'd like to = quote you on that. jb



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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FD7.0E561080-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:25:37 -0600 From: Joe Bauman Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Great, I'd like to use that in my story. Thanks, Joe - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) light pollution JOe, my big concern is that most people don't even think it's a problem. Even at the neighborhood level, people don't think twice about "light trespass", blasting a spotlight into a neighbor's yard. I have a neighbor with a halogen light on top of a flagpole, illuminating the area for a hundred yards in all directions, and they are completely uncaring that it causes problems for neighbors. People don't know the difference between "good lighting" and over-illumination. I've about written off the Salt Lake valley, I don't intend to retire here, and the average inhabitant is an ignoramous living in an ivory tower. You can't tell them anything that they don't want to hear. Chuck - --- Joe Bauman wrote: > Dear fellow amateurs astronomers, I am working on a > story for the Deseret > News about light pollution. Some of you know I > started on it long ago, but > then our competition picked up on the subject and it > would have been > unseemly to follow them right away, so I put it off. > Now it's back on. > Please contact me with e-mail descriptions of the > light pollution scene in > Utah, if you are interested. I will need this as > soon as possible. Tell me > anything you wish about the topic, whether > ordinances should be changed, > whether you've had any bad experiences, if things > are OK as they are -- > anything. And I would like it today if possible. It > would be for a story > that I'd hope to have in the paper on Monday. Thanks > very much, Joe Bauman, > science writer, Deseret News. > > PS: Someone in the group sent me some info on the > subject by mail. In case > I can't find it quickly, could you tell me again > about it? > > > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Let me add that astronomers, club members, and members of this list are NOT to be grouped among the "average inhabitants"!! Chuck - --- Chuck Hards wrote: > JOe, my big concern is that most people don't even > think it's a problem. Even at the neighborhood > level, > people don't think twice about "light trespass", > blasting a spotlight into a neighbor's yard. I have > a > neighbor with a halogen light on top of a flagpole, > illuminating the area for a hundred yards in all > directions, and they are completely uncaring that it > causes problems for neighbors. People don't know > the > difference between "good lighting" and > over-illumination. > > I've about written off the Salt Lake valley, I don't > intend to retire here, and the average inhabitant is > an ignoramous living in an ivory tower. You can't > tell them anything that they don't want to hear. > > Chuck > > --- Joe Bauman wrote: > > Dear fellow amateurs astronomers, I am working on > a > > story for the Deseret > > News about light pollution. Some of you know I > > started on it long ago, but > > then our competition picked up on the subject and > it > > would have been > > unseemly to follow them right away, so I put it > off. > > Now it's back on. > > Please contact me with e-mail descriptions of the > > light pollution scene in > > Utah, if you are interested. I will need this as > > soon as possible. Tell me > > anything you wish about the topic, whether > > ordinances should be changed, > > whether you've had any bad experiences, if things > > are OK as they are -- > > anything. And I would like it today if possible. > It > > would be for a story > > that I'd hope to have in the paper on Monday. > Thanks > > very much, Joe Bauman, > > science writer, Deseret News. > > > > PS: Someone in the group sent me some info on the > > subject by mail. In case > > I can't find it quickly, could you tell me again > > about it? > > > > > > > > - > > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > > the message. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:15:19 -0400 From: "Steinicke, Brett" Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FDC.A1EEB1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That is too bad. Maybe you should help shield it for him some night, I'm sure you could find some teenagers willing to shield it completely with a wrist rocket. Then you could discuss overshielding and proper shielding. Brett - -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Hards [mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:01 AM To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) light pollution JOe, my big concern is that most people don't even think it's a problem. Even at the neighborhood level, people don't think twice about "light trespass", blasting a spotlight into a neighbor's yard. I have a neighbor with a halogen light on top of a flagpole, illuminating the area for a hundred yards in all directions, and they are completely uncaring that it causes problems for neighbors. People don't know the difference between "good lighting" and over-illumination. I've about written off the Salt Lake valley, I don't intend to retire here, and the average inhabitant is an ignoramous living in an ivory tower. You can't tell them anything that they don't want to hear. Chuck - --- Joe Bauman wrote: > Dear fellow amateurs astronomers, I am working on a > story for the Deseret > News about light pollution. Some of you know I > started on it long ago, but > then our competition picked up on the subject and it > would have been > unseemly to follow them right away, so I put it off. > Now it's back on. > Please contact me with e-mail descriptions of the > light pollution scene in > Utah, if you are interested. I will need this as > soon as possible. Tell me > anything you wish about the topic, whether > ordinances should be changed, > whether you've had any bad experiences, if things > are OK as they are -- > anything. And I would like it today if possible. It > would be for a story > that I'd hope to have in the paper on Monday. Thanks > very much, Joe Bauman, > science writer, Deseret News. > > PS: Someone in the group sent me some info on the > subject by mail. In case > I can't find it quickly, could you tell me again > about it? > > > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FDC.A1EEB1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution

That is too bad. Maybe you should help shield it for = him some night, I'm sure you could find some teenagers willing to = shield it completely with a wrist rocket. Then you could discuss = overshielding and proper shielding.

Brett

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Hards [mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 10:01 AM
To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) light pollution


JOe, my big concern is that most people don't = even
think it's a problem.  Even at the neighborhood = level,
people don't think twice about "light = trespass",
blasting a spotlight into a neighbor's yard.  I = have a
neighbor with a halogen light on top of a = flagpole,
illuminating the area for a hundred yards in = all
directions, and they are completely uncaring that = it
causes problems for neighbors.  People don't = know the
difference between "good lighting" = and
over-illumination.

I've about written off the Salt Lake valley, I = don't
intend to retire here, and the average inhabitant = is
an ignoramous living in an ivory tower.  You = can't
tell them anything that they don't want to = hear.

Chuck

--- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote:
> Dear fellow amateurs astronomers, I am working = on a
> story for the Deseret
> News about light pollution. Some of you know = I
> started on it long ago, but
> then our competition picked up on the subject = and it
> would have been
> unseemly to follow them right away, so I put it = off.
> Now it's back on.
> Please contact me with e-mail descriptions of = the
> light pollution scene in
> Utah, if you are interested. I will need this = as
> soon as possible. Tell me
> anything you wish about the topic, = whether
> ordinances should be changed,
> whether you've had any bad experiences, if = things
> are OK as they are --
> anything. And I would like it today if = possible. It
> would be for a story
> that I'd hope to have in the paper on Monday. = Thanks
> very much, Joe Bauman,
> science writer, Deseret News.
>
> PS: Someone in the group sent me some info on = the
> subject by mail. In case
> I can't find it quickly, could you tell me = again
> about it?
>
>
>
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Joe,

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Thanks, Chuck! -- Best, Joe



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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C12FE0.BB5B30E0-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:35:47 -0600 From: Joe Bauman Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Thanks, I asked our photographers to try and get a view of SLC at night with night glow blocking out all but a few stars. If they can't manage it I plan to get one of these jpgs. -- Joe - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) light pollution Get a shot from the valley, then another from Grantsville, for comparison. Joe, you've lived here a long time, yes? I grew up next door to the U of U. In the sixties and seventies, the skies were far from pristine, but I used to observe from my backyard there, and saw every Messier and hundreds of NGC objects back then, with a 4-inch scope. Those same observations are now impossible even with three times the aperture and LPR filters. I believe that Colorado recently passed some lighting ordinances that are headed in the right direction, but Utah seems to be home to some of the most ignorant, uncaring, uninformed lawmakers IN THE WORLD. Either that, or they are beholdant to their cousins, brothers, etc., who are in the land development business in one aspect or another. I've been an independant member of IDA for years; I think northern Utah is about the least-fertile ground for making progress in reducing light pollution due to our relatively closed governmental society. I've written a few letters, always to be branded "weird fringe", and I'm sick of banging my head against the wall, trying to take on a pack of mindless muppets. YOU have the weapon, Joe. Go get 'em in the press. But be prepared for a return volley. Chuck - --- Joe Bauman wrote: > Thanks, I asked our photographers to try and get a > view of SLC at night > with night glow blocking out all but a few stars. If > they can't manage it I > plan to get one of these jpgs. -- Joe > > > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of utah-astronomy-digest V1 #50 *********************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.