From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #72 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Sunday, June 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 072 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:32:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Third Glock from the Sun? - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:01:53 -0400 From: "Mark A. Smith" To: SNET , PIML , L & J , David Rydel Subject: Covert Gun Nuts - -----Original Message----- From: J. Neil Schulman Subject: "Third Glock from the Sun?" Just forwarded to me in email. Funny! -- Neil ++++++++++++++++++++++ June 11, 1998 A Show That Says Yes to Firepower By GARY KRIST "In Hollywood . . . there are more gun owners in the closet than homosexuals." - -- Charlton Heston, new president of the National Rifle Association. In an announcement that took Hollywood insiders by surprise, Helen LaCorcia, star of the hit ABC sitcom "Helen," admitted today that she has for many years secretly been the owner of a handgun. "It's time to come clean," Ms. LaCorcia said, patting a holster strapped stylishly under her left shoulder. "If Hollywood and the rest of America can't accept me for what I am, it's their problem, not mine." Ms. LaCorcia, appearing at a hastily called press conference, then drew her Sig Sauer 9-millimeter semiautomatic and brandished it in front of the cameras. "And yes, it's loaded," she said. "Deal with it." Later, in an unscheduled appearance on "Oprah," Ms. LaCorcia elaborated on her revelation. "Hollywood has been hypocritical on this issue for years," she said. "Everyone knows that the industry is full of weapons enthusiasts, but no one wants to admit it. They're all afraid that nobody will cast them if word gets around that they're packing heat." Asked if her eponymous television character will also be coming out as a gun owner, the gamine comedian said: "Absolutely. In fact, we've already scripted an episode in which Helen meets someone -- someone special -- who takes her to a firing range and persuades her to fire off a couple practice rounds. She's converted immediately." Ms. LaCorcia then added, "We're hoping to get Quentin Tarantino for the part." Across the nation, gun industry analysts were quick to hail the announcement as a milestone. "Sure, we've had plenty of sitcoms with pistol-toting sidekicks and best friends," said Graydon Menaker, media critic for Guns & Ammo magazine. "But this is the first time we'll be seeing a fully armed major character in a top-rated comedy series. It's historic." Some television executives were more cautious. "The audience for shows like 'Helen' tends to be a lot more pacifist than we realize," said Les Goreham, the vice president for product placement at CBS. "Our friends at ABC are in uncharted waters here." Lobbyists and representatives of gun-control organizations responded to the announcement with derision. "These are supposed to be family shows," complained Adelaide Tift of Americans Against the Propagation of Firearms. "Next we'll have the Nanny toting a .22-caliber Beretta. Or Frasier with an Uzi in his briefcase. And where will it end? 'Third Glock From the Sun'?" The real test of Ms. LaCorcia's decision, however, will come from regular watchers of "Helen," and at least some of them were cheering her courage. "I'm proud of her," said Malia, a self-described munitions performance artist from New York. "It's about time someone stood up and showed the world that owning a handgun doesn't make us any different from anyone else. I had actually lost interest in the show recently, but now I'll be glued to my set every week." But other longtime fans were less certain in their reactions. "I guess I'll still watch it," said Jennifer, a Chicago native who has been a devotee of the show since its premiere. "As long as the writers don't get too trigger-happy, you know? I watch 'Helen' to have a few laughs, not to be lectured at about the social acceptability of possessing weapons." Looking suddenly embarrassed, she quickly added, "Not that there's anything wrong with that." Gary Krist is the author of the novel "Bad Chemistry." Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company - -- "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, THE SIGN OF FOUR J. 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To Discuss Ideas: mailto:lloyd@a-albionic.com http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info & Free Catalog: mailto:james@a-albionic.com http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:majordomo@mail.msen.com text in body: subscribe prj **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: *********************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:45:13 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: Re: A Letter to My Senator -Forwarded Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA11534; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma011368; Fri Jun 12 13:20:04 1998 Message-Id: <199806121656.LAA18860@monarch.papillion.ne.us> Errors-To: listproc@mainstream.com Reply-To: mriddle@monarch.papillion.ne.us Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Riddle" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A Letter to My Senator X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT), Kevin McGehee wrote: >Larry Ball wrote: >--------------E2932E63C3BB1A9177E21AC0 >Content-Type: application/msword; name="Hagel1.doc" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Hagel1.doc" > >0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAGAAAAAAA >AAAAEAAAGwAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAABkAAAD///////////////////////////////////// The "key" is the Content-X lines. This was a MIME-encoded attachment in Microsloth Word format. The NOBAN server stripped enough of the header that the "attachment" didn't come across as such. It's quite possible to 'unpack' this using a command-line MIME unpacker and then open the Hagel1.doc file in your word-processor. Here's what you get: June 12, 1998 Chuck Hagel U.S. Senator 346 Russell Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510-2706 Dear Senator: Thank you for your response to my postcard request that you remove your name from cosponsorship of S.10, the Violent and Repeat Juvenile Offender Act. You state that the bill fundamentally reassesses the federal role in fighting juvenile crime. I object to your position regarding this bill from two vistas: 1. Even though I wish to be tough on crime (probably tougher than most) I object to the increasing federal presence in this arena. 2. The bill makes further incursions into infringement of the second amendment. We do not need more federal law to combat crime. We need rigorous enforcement of existing law. Recent federal legislation such as R.I.C.O., Property Seizure, and the Ex Post Facto provisions of the Lautenberg Act have set dangerous milestones in possible AND actual deprivation of liberty. If the Senate feels it must do something, figure out how to get tough with the judges and other criminal justice bleeding hearts. Define for them that the issue at stake in the criminal justice milieu is the vindication of the social covenant and NOT rehabilitation of criminals who have never been "habilitated" in the first place. We need to concentrate on the possible and forget the impossible. You agree that the bill has certain provisions that put new burdens on legitimate gun owners and that these burdens will be removed as the bill progresses through the legislative process. Forgive me a little wheeze that sounds like hooey. I would prefer that you remove your name from cosponsorship until at least these "burdens" are removed. I have been around for some years and do not trust the "legislative process" to protect my rights. This whole idea is almost and oxymoron. This concern should be clear when you consider the defacto gun tax, gun and gun owner registration that is now in place under the "Insta-Check" law. Please remove your name from the S.10 list. Again, thanks for your response. Cordially, Larry Ball - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:47:34 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' -Forwarded Received: from WVC-Message_Server by wp.ci.west-valley.ut.us with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:29 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:45:47 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS To: dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us Subject: Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' Copyright # 1998 Nando.net Copyright # 1998 Reuters News Service PHILADELPHIA (June 6, 1998 11:44 p.m. EDT http://www.nando.net) - U.S. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott struck out Saturday at those who would limit the right of Americans to bear arms, telling diners at the National Rifle Association annual banquet "you are the mainstream of America." "The rights of the American people are not negotiable," Lott said. "The Bill of Rights is a package deal...You don't get to pick and choose...you get the whole deal," the Mississippi Republican assured the several hundred NRA members who swapped their T-shirts for jacket and ties to the dinner. "You are the mainstream of America," he told the gathering, adding that those who doubted it "just reveal how far out of the mainstream they really are." Lott warned that if the NRA lets Washington gut the Second Amendment that guarantees Americans the right to keep and bear arms, "we might as well fold up the flag and meltdown the Liberty Bell." Earlier on Saturday, Academy Award winning actor Charlton Heston, who portrayed Moses in the classic "Ten Commandments," told the delegates that if elected president of the 3.5 million-member pro-gun group, he would lead it back "to the mainstream." Heston, who is expected to be inducted as president of the group on Monday, said that in the future he would only support pro-gun candidates. Then in remarks directed at President Bill Clinton, who successfully banned the manufacture and importation of several types of assault weapons, Heston said: "Mr. Clinton, sir. Americans didn't trust you with our health care systems and Americans didn't trust you with gays in the military and we don't trust you with our 21-year-old daughters. We sure Lord don't trust you with our guns." Most of the 50,000 NRA members attending the 127th national convention looked as though they had travelled in from Main Street, America. There were plenty of grandfatherly looking men with baseball caps and potbellies and families strolling the aisles of the exhibition hall at the Convention Centre in Philadelphia. It could almost be a county fair, except for the rows of guns, rifles, ammunition and accessories lining the walls. Adolescents lined up at rifle maker Winchester's booth to pay $2 to play "Total Recoil." The contestant holds an electronic rifle to shoot images of birds and animals. Their parents were busy looking over the new lines of rifles. At the nearby Colt booth, enthusiasts could heft various types of revolvers and semi-automatic pistols made by the company whose weapons are credited with winning the American West. "We're just a group of people who are willing to fight for our freedom. Freedom to own a firearms for the purpose that the Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution," explained Teddy Jones, 69, of Torrance, California, who was attending the convention with his wife of 22 years, Judith. Both are NRA members, as are their son and 6-year-old grandson. Judith Reuhl, 56, of Cincinnati, Ohio, waited outside the hall surrounded by packages as she waited for her husband, John, an NRA member. "I'm not a member, but I do shoot skeet with him. My son and my son-in-law and my brother-in-law are members," she said. One package contained information from the NRA's Eddie Eagle Gun Safety Program for children. "I'm bringing that back for my six-and-a-half year old grandson, Alex. He's getting to that age," she added. By LESLIE GEVIRTZ, Reuters - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:47:43 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation -Forwarded Received: from WVC-Message_Server by wp.ci.west-valley.ut.us with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:50:38 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:49:09 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS To: dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us Subject: Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation What an honor it is to address the Free Congress Foundation. At a glance "Free" reads as a verb rather than an adjective. "Free Congress." Not a bad directive for Mr. Clinton. Anyway. I like it when the party of Lincoln honors our free heritage. This nation has been blessed by the minds and mettle of many good people, and indeed Abe was among the best. A man of great moral character#a trait often lacking among our leaders. This is disturbing, but not without remedy. One good election can correct such ills. Above all, I hope those of us gathered here tonight have more in common with Mr. Lincoln than just party affiliation. Better than we grasp a common vision that simply wear the cloak. Even our President pretends to be a conservative when it suits him. We must be more than that. I know it#s not easy. Imagine being point man for the National Rifle Association, preserving the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve#as a moving target for pundits who#ve called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile and crazy old man." Maybe that comes with the territory. But as I have stood in the crosshairs of those who aim at Second Amendment freedom, I have realized that guns are not the only issue, and I am not the only target. It is much, much bigger than that # which is what I want to talk to you about today. I have come to realize that a cultural war raging across our land storming our values, assaulting our freedoms, killing our self-confidence in who we are a what we believe. How many of you own a gun? A show of hands maybe? How many own two or more guns? Thank you. I wonder how many of you own guns but chose not to raise your hand? How many of you considered revealing your conviction about a constitutional right, but then thought better of it? Then you are a victim of the cultural war.. You are a casualty of the cultural warfare being waged against traditional American freedom of beliefs and ideas. Now maybe you don#t care one way or the other about owning a gun. But I could#ve asked for a show of hands of Pentecostal Christians, or pro-lifers, or right-to-workers, or Promise Keepers, or school vouchers-ers, and the result would be the same. What if the same question were asked at your PTA meeting? Would you raise your hand if Dan Rather were in the back of the room with a film crew? See? You have been assaulted and robbed of the courage of your convictions. Your pride in who you are, and what you believe, has been ridiculed, ransacked and plundered. It may be a war without bullet or bloodshed, but with just as much liberty lost: You and your country are less free. And you are not inconsequential people! You in this room, whom many would say are among the most powerful people on earth, you are shamed into silence! Because you choose to own guns # affirmed by no less than the Bill of Rights. But you embrace a view at odds with the cultural warlords.. If that is the outcome of cultural war, and you are victims, I can only ask the gravely obvious question: What#ll become of the right itself? Or other rights not deemed acceptable by the thought police? What other truth in your heart will you disavow with your hand? I remember when European Jews feared to admit their faith. The Nazis forced them to wear yellow stars as identity badges. It worked. So # what color star will the pin on gun owners# chests? How ill the self-styled elite tag us? There may not be a Gestapo officer on every street corner, but the influence on our culture is just as pervasive. Now, I am not really here to talk about the Second Amendment of the NRA, but the gun issue clearly brings into focus the warfare that#s going on. Rank-and-file Americans wake up every morning, increasingly bewildered and confused at why their views make them lesser citizens. After enough breakfast-table TV hyping tattooed sex-slaves on the next Rikki Lake, enough gun-glutted movies and tabloid shows, enough revisionist history books and prime-time ridicule of religion, enough of the TV anchor who cocks her head, clucks her tongue and sighs about guns causing crime and finally the message gets through: Heaven help the God-fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle class, Protestant, or even worse admitted heterosexual, gun-owning or even worse NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff, or even worse male working stiff, because not only don#t you count, you#re a downright obstacle to social progress. Your tax dollars may be just as delightfully green as you hand them over, but your voice deserves a lower decibel level, your opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant, and frankly mister, you need to wake up, wise up and learn a little something about your new America#and until you do, would you mind shutting up? That#s why you didn#t raise your hand. That#s how cultural war works. And you are losing. That#s what happens when a generation of media, educators, entertainers and politicians, led by a willing president, decide the America they were born into isn#t good enough any more. So they contrive to change it through the cultural warfare of class distinction. Ask the Romans if powerful nations have ever fallen as a result of cultural division. There are ruins around the world that were once the smug centers of small-minded, arrogant elitism. It appears that rather than evaporate in the flash of a split atom, we may succumb to a divided culture. Although my years are long, I was not on hand to help pen the Bill of Rights. And popular assumptions aside, the same goes for the Ten Commandments. Yet as an American and as a man who believes in God#s almighty presence, I treasure both. The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of wise old dead white guys who invented our country. Now some flinch when I say that. Why? It#s true#they were white guys. So were most of the guys that died in Lincoln#s name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic pride" or "black pride" a good thing, while "white pride" conjures shaved heads and while hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I#ll tell you why: Cultural warfare. Now, Chuck Heston can get away with saying I#m proud of those wise old dead white guys because Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan know I fought in their cultural war. I was one of the first white soldiers in the civil rights movement, long before it was fashionable. In 1963 I marched on Washington with Dr. Martin Luther King to uphold the Bill of Rights. As vice-president of the NRA I am doing the same thing. But you don#t see many other Hollywood luminaries speaking out on this, do you? It#s not because there aren#t any. It#s because they can#t afford the heat. They dare not speak up for fear of CNN or the IRS or SAG or ATF or NBC or even W-J-C. It spas the strength of our country when the personal price is simply too high to stand up for what you believe in. Today, speaking with the courage of your conviction can be so costly, the price of principle can be so high, that legislators won#t lead and citizens can#t follow, and so there is no army to fight back. That#s cultural warfare. For instance: It#s plain that our Constitution guarantees law-abiding citizens the right to own a firearm. But if I stand up and say so, why is the media assault on me such a slashing, sinister brand of derision filled with hate? Because Bill Clinton#s cultural warriors want a penitent cleansing of firearms, as if millions of lawful gun owners should genuflect in shame and seek absolution by surrendering their guns. That#s what is now literally underway in England and Australia. Line of submissive citizens, threatened with imprisonment, are bitterly surrendering family heirlooms, guns that won their freedom, to the blast furnace. If that fact does not unsettle you, then you are already anesthetized, a ready victim of the cultural war. You know that I stand first in line in defense for free speech. But those who speak against the perverted and profane should be given as much due as those who profit by it. You also know I welcome cultural diversity. But those who choose to live on the fringe should not tear apart the seams that secure the fabric of our society. I#ve earned a fine and rewarding living in the motion picture industry, yet increasingly I find myself embarrassed by the dearth of conscience that drives the world#s most influential artform. And I am an example of what a lonely undertaking it can be. Nobody opposed the obscene rapper Ice-T until I stood at Time-Warner#s stockholders meeting and was ridiculed by its president for wanting to take the floor to read Ice-T#s lyrics. Since I held several hundred shares of stock he had no choice, though the media were barred. I read those lyrics to a stunned audience of average American people#shocked at lyrics that advocating killing cops, sexually abusing women, and raping the nieces of our Vice-President. The good guys won that time: Time-Warner fired Ice-T. The gay and lesbian movement is another good example. Many homosexuals are hugely talented artists and executives#also dear friends. I don#t despise their lifestyle, though I don#t share it. As long as gay and lesbian Americans are as productive, law-abiding and private as the rest of us, I think America owes them absolute tolerance. It#s the right thing to do. On the other hand, I find my blood pressure rising when Clinton#s cultural shock troops participate in gay-rights fundraisers but boycott gun-rights fundraisers#and then claim it#s time to place homosexual men in tents with Boy Scouts, and suggest that sperm donor babies born into lesbian relationships are somehow better served and more loved. Such demands have nothing to do with equality. They#re about the currency of cultural war # money and votes # and the Clinton camp will let anyone in the tent if there#s a donkey on the hat, a check in the mail or some yen in the fortune cookie. Mainstream America is counting on you to draw your sword and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to hat men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other, and all the New-Age apologists for juvenile crime, who see roving gangs as a means of youthful expression, sex as a means of adolescent merchandizing, violence as a form of entertainment for impressionable minds, and gun bans as a means to lord-knows-what. We have reached that point in time when our national social policy originates on Oprah. I say it#s time to pull the plug. Americans should not have to go to war every morning for their values. They already go to war for their families. They fight to hold down a job, raise responsible kids, make their payments, keep gas in the car, put food on the table and clothes on their backs, and still save a little to live their final days in dignity. They prefer the America they built # where you could pray without feeling na#ve, love without being kinky, sing without profanity, be white without feeling guilty, own a gun without shame, and raise you hand without apology. They are the critical masses who find themselves under siege and long for you to get some guts, stand on principle and lead them to victory in this cultural war. Now if this all sounds a little Mosaic, the punchline of my sermon is as elementary as the Golden Rule: In a cultural war, triumph belongs to those who arm themselves with pride in who they are and then do the right thing. Not the most expedient thing, not what#ll sell, not the politically correct thing, but the right thing. And you know what? Everybody already knows what the right thing is. You, and I, and President Clinton, even Ice-T, we all know. It#s easy. You say wait a minute, you take a long look in the mirror, then into the eyes of your kids or grandkids, and you#ll know what#s right. Don#t run for cover when the cultural cannons roar. Remember who you are and what you believe, and then raise you hand, stand up, and speak out. Don#t be shamed or startled into lockstep conformity by seemingly powerful people. The maintenance of a free nation is a long, slow, steady process. And it#s in your hands. Yes, we can have rules and still have rebels # that#s democracy. But as leaders you must do as Lincoln would do, confronted with the stench of cultural war: Do what#s right. As Mr. Lincoln said, "With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us finish the work we are in#and then we shall save our country." Defeat the criminals and their apologists, oust the biased and bigoted, endure the undisciplined and unprincipled, but disavow the self-appointed social engineers whose relentless arrogance fuels this vicious war against so much we hold so dear. Do not yield, do not divide, do not call truce. Be fair, but fight back. It#s the same blueprint our founding fathers left to guide us. Our enemies see it as the senile prattle of an archaic society. I still honor it as the United States Constitution, and that timeless document we call the Bill of Rights. Freedom is our fortune and honor is our saving grace. Thank you. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Old Post, But A Harbinger of *DOOM*!!! - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:50:14 -0400 From: "John A. Quayle" To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com Subject: Old Post, But A Harbinger of *DOOM*!!! HOUSE TO STEP-UP ASSET FORFEITURE HR1965 --- a new asset-forfeiture bill --- has passed out of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee and may be headed on the fast track through Congress. We have examined the bill, and it is a nasty piece of work. If you are in business, it allows the federal government to seize your inventory and assets on the flimsiest of evidence. Even if the original warrant is struck down by a court, the government would be given additional time for "discovery" to examine business records and build a case to continue holding the assets! This bill masquerades under the guise of providing "a more just and uniform procedure for Federal civil forfeitures, and other purposes." As with the IRS, it puts the burden of proof on the defendant, puts the burden of establishing what constitutes "excessive fines (8th Amendment) on the defendant, provides for seizure without a warrant by the Attorney General, Treasury (BATF), and Postal Service under a variety of conditions. It allows seized assets to go to crime victims --- and regulatory agencies. And it allows seizures by the Food and Drug Administration for violations of regulatory bureaucracy! Since agencies like the FDA write their own rules, almost anything you can think of can become a "violation of regulatory" standards. We suggest that you let others know about this --- and your elected representatives --- while there is still time. The bill runs about 25 pages and may be obtained from the congressional website. ### COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus, unless otherwise noted. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Stallone on Guns in America - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700 From: Liberty or Death To: roc@xmission.com, ignition-point@pobox.com, liberty-and-justice@pobox.com, fratrum@netside.com, garden@netside.com Subject: Stallone on Guns in America QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS MRC 6/12 The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal of the 2nd amendment. MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned stations and syndicated to other markets. Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think, urban warfare." Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun, this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic. It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there." "Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'" - - Monte -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit." - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika" -------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Stallone on Guns in America - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700 From: Liberty or Death To: roc@xmission.com, ignition-point@pobox.com, liberty-and-justice@pobox.com, fratrum@netside.com, garden@netside.com Subject: Stallone on Guns in America QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS MRC 6/12 The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal of the 2nd amendment. MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned stations and syndicated to other markets. Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think, urban warfare." Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun, this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic. It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there." "Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'" - - Monte -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit." - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika" -------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:27:56 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: Oregon school yard shooting -Forwarded Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id UAA05588; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma005424; Fri Jun 12 20:47:06 1998 Message-Id: Errors-To: listproc@mainstream.com Reply-To: dugga@pacifier.com Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: dugga@pacifier.com (Doug Spittler) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Oregon school yard shooting X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list Purloined from another list; - ------------------- >From: "Sun Tzu's Firearms Advisory" >Subject: Oregon family: "Gun Control!" ... "screw that" >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:07:55 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Oregon family: "Gun Control!" ... "screw that" >by Sun Tzu's Newswire Staff >Sun Tzu's Newswire //STN98022// >San Diego -- June 10, 1998 9:58 AM Pacific Time >Apparently Handgun Control, Inc. and the Children of Hitler did not >win many converts following the school shootings by Kip Kinkel in >Oregon. News of this broke during the annual meeting of the U.S. >National Rifle Association in Philadelphia, where actor Charlton >Heston was elected president of the gun rights group. > >Washington Post reported on this development on Monday. > >The Post wrote; "There is no advertisement yet featuring >Jacob Ryker, the 17-year-old wrestler at Thurston High School in >Springfield, Ore., who was able to end the shooting rampage there >by tackling teenage gunman Kip Kinkel even though he had been >wounded in the chest and hand. But Ryker, his brother and parents, >who belong to the NRA, were featured guests here all weekend. > >"The media expected these torn-up parents to cry, 'Gun control!' but >screw that," said Rob Ryker, Jacob's father, a Navy deepsea diver. >"Whoever thinks this was a gun issue alone, they don't have the big >picture." > >Heston, similarly, pulled no punches in his first day as president. >Referring to the Second Amendment, he said, "Those wise old dead white >guys who invented this country knew what they were talking about." > >Of his loner status as a Hollywood gun enthusiast, he said: "I suspect >there are as many gun users in the Hollywood closet as there are >homosexuals."; the Washington Post reported. > >Hollywood insider Heston has made similar references while being heard >on the Rush Limbaugh radio talk show. He told guest host Tony Snow that >there are as many closet conservatives in Hollywood as there closet >homosexuals. > >The "Children of Hitler" refers to the lobby imitating Nazi dictator >Adolf Hitler whose government specifically outlawed firearms ownership >by Jews and Gypsies, and extended the prohibition to the people of all >occupied territories, including Germans not trusted by Nazi leaders. > >Reliable U.S. sources with military connections say it is too early to >tell if the Clinton administration will try to silence Rob Ryker, >because of his affiliation with the U.S. Navy. > >SOURCES: >(1) "New Voice Of the NRA Sounds Familiar" >By Dale Russakoff, Washington Post Staff Writer >Tuesday, June 9, 1998; Page A06 >=A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company >(2) Rush Limbaugh radio show >(3) "Gun Control": Gateway to Tyranny, 1992, Jay Simkin and Aaron Zelman, >available from Amazon.com > >---- @ > >Sun Tzu's Newswire Online Index at URL: > http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/pirn.htm > > Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one. > A. J. Liebling, The Wayward Press - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 06:59:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Stallone on Guns in America - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:04 -0700 From: Liberty or Death To: roc@xmission.com, ignition-point@pobox.com, liberty-and-justice@pobox.com, fratrum@netside.com, garden@netside.com Subject: Stallone on Guns in America QUOTE BY SYLVESTER STALLONE ABOUT GUNS MRC 6/12 The only way to make America safe: go house to house and confiscate every gun. Reacting to the shooting death of Phil Hartman, actor Sylvester Stallone who is best known for glamorizing in his Rambo films military weapons not even the NRA wants legal, urged the repeal of the 2nd amendment. MRC entertainment analyst Tom Johnson transcribed his ranting from a June 8 segment on Access Hollywood, the show carried by NBC-owned stations and syndicated to other markets. Stallone conceded, "I know we use guns in films," but insisted the time has come "to be a little more accountable and realize that this is an escalating problem that's eventually going to lead to, I think, urban warfare." Access Hollywood then showed a clip from a comment he made in London a few weeks ago: "Until America, door to door, takes every handgun, this is what you're gonna have. It's pathetic. It really is pathetic. It's sad. We're living in the Dark Ages over there." "Over there"? Yes, the man who wants to control what Americans have in their homes is now living in England. Back to Stallone's interview with the show, he demanded that the 2nd amendment be abandoned: "It has to be stopped, and someone really has to go on the line, a certain dauntless political figure, and say, `It's ending, it's over, all bets are off. It's not 200 years ago, we don't need this anymore, and the rest of the world doesn't have it. Why should we?'" - - Monte -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe freedom's just one of those things that you can't inherit." - Peter Bradford, in the film "Amerika" -------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #72 **********************************