From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #179 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Wednesday, February 16 2000 Volume 02 : Number 179 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:39:49 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: McCain - From Neal Knox - ----- Subject: From Neal Knox Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:17:57 -0800 From: "InTheRiver" To: "l&j" On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:20:42 EST, neal@nealknox.com (Neal Knox) wrote: Feb. 12 update -- Former New York Mayor Koch -- who rammed through the city's "assault weapon" registration law, which his successor, David Dinkins, used to confiscate those guns -- has joined the swelling ranks of Democrats saying they "would be comfortable with" John McCain as President. And McCain is on the cover of all three major news magazines this week. Even if I didn't know that McCain was largely responsible for last May's Republican cave-in on gun laws, his bedfellows and admirers would be making me extremely uncomfortable. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:59:02 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Weber County Lincoln Day Dinner - ----- Subject: Weber County Lincoln Day Dinner Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:54:42 -0700 From: "Arnold J. Gaunt" A few notes of interest from the Weber County Lincoln Day Dinner on Saturday. Marty Stephens Expressed his appreciation for the great job that Mike Leavitt has done for the last 8 years. He supports his reelection wholeheartedly, and urges us to do the same. Orrin Hatch Stood at door and shook the hand of every attendee. (I don't believe I've ever seen Orrin doing this before. More election year conversion?) Believes that Bill Clinton and Al Gore are good people. Can work very effectively with Bill Clinton. He can be fooled into doing the right thing. (I haven't noticed). No one has fought more for the Second Amendment than he has over the last 23 years. He led fight against the Lautenberg amendment, but voted for it once it was incorporated in S. 254. Don't let two bit people from WA DC manipulate you (ie GOA). (It was ironic that Orrin spent as much time as he did on GOA if they are only of two bit importance). We don't understand the legislative process. It is necessary/right to sponsor gun control legislation like S. 254 because everything will be made OK in the Conference Committee. (Sure relieves me, how about you?) He gave up nothing to confirm Leavitt crony Ted Stewart. He is responsible for Ginsburg and Breyer being chosen as Supreme court justices. (Democrats have never had any problem in rejecting Supreme court appointees from Republican Presidents. Too bad the Republicans don't share the same commitment for Democratics Presidents.) We are talking about the survival of the Constitution this election. We therefore need OGH. Arnold - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:51:49 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Gun buy back in Provo d You might want to pass this along to anyone in Utah County interested in protested or maybe even being able to stop this waste of tax dollars. Provo police to buy back guns Goal is to decrease crime, accidental deaths and suicide By Frank Curreri Deseret News staff writer PROVO — Armed with a $21,000 federal grant, Provo police intend to purchase guns from residents next month in an effort to reduce crime, suicides and accidental deaths in the city. Police who will conduct the city's unprecedented "gun buybacks" hope to collect — and then destroy — nearly 300 guns. By contrast, the city seized 13 guns from criminals last year. "I think it's going to be interesting," said Provo Police Sgt. Lee Upchurch, who will oversee the project. "I have a gut feeling most of these guns will be guns that maybe weren't operable. Is it a good idea? Yeah. I think if a person doesn't feel comfortable with a gun in their home, they ought to turn it in. But I think it will be interesting to see what kinds of guns people turn in. Are we going to see any major assault rifles? I don't know. Actually, I'm just dying to see the first one because I don't know what to expect." The gun buyback is part of a $2.4 million program recently launched by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to take firearms off the streets in 75 cities nationwide. Funding of Provo's buyback project was made possible by the Provo City Public Housing Authority, which diverted $15,000 of a HUD grant toward the plan. That prompted HUD to pitch in an additional $6,514. "This gun buyback in Provo will save lives," HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo said in a prepared statement last week. HUD official Julie Fagan said the initiative is the only one of its kind in Utah this year. Relative to much larger cities scheduled to host federally funded gun buybacks — such as Miami, San Francisco and Newark, N.J. — Provo's crime rate is exceptionally low. For example, from 1996 through 1999, guns were involved in only three homicides in this city of 110,000, according to statistics proffered by Provo police. Federal officials estimate that guns are involved in 30,000 deaths in the U.S. each year — about 1,000 of them accidental and 18,000 by suicide. Violence or mishaps using guns also cause an estimated 100,000 injuries across the nation each year. As is the case nationally, suicide is far more prevalent than murder in Provo, with 32 people taking their own lives between 1995 and 1999 — 20 of them using a gun, according to police. Provo had an average of 55 assaults committed using guns between 1994 and 1998, with a high of 61 in 1994. Howell said police will give a maximum gift certificate of $50 per gun but added there is "talk of trying to increase that." Provo's Police Department is scheduled to host its gun buyback from 9 a.m. to noon March 11, and from 5 to 8 p.m. March 16, at the Eldred Center, 270 W. 500 North in Provo. Sellers do not have to be Provo residents but will have to show identification, Howell said. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:42:00 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: [Fwd: Gun buy back in Provo] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------6F10B9776EDECC1D7AB3D03E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why is this application of federal funds not a violation of the 2nd Amendment? Is it even possible to violate that Amendment? Since the courts believe it doesn't apply to the States but only to the national government, yet anything the national government does is exempt from the entire Bill of Rights under the theory that Art. I Sect. 8 Clause 17 "exclusive Legislation" supercedes it, where does any practical application reside? Scott - --------------6F10B9776EDECC1D7AB3D03E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: shbergeson@mail-slkc.uswest.net Received: (qmail 12410 invoked by uid 0); 14 Feb 2000 23:54:47 -0000 Received: from mail8.uswest.net (204.147.80.26) by pop.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2000 23:54:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 34308 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2000 23:54:47 -0000 Received: from lists.xmission.com (198.60.22.7) by mail8.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2000 23:54:47 -0000 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12KVK9-00011V-00 for utah-firearms-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:54:37 -0700 Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com ident=root) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12KVK7-00011P-00 for utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:54:35 -0700 Received: from [205.231.101.195] (helo=m10.boston.juno.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #3) id 12KVK7-00016E-00; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:54:35 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"UthjHSsh/wJQWrN1kw3jzpcaswWUUOElF22hSBDd1xFtmtMtdKQNhg=="> Received: (from utbagpiper@juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EYTXF66Q; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:51:52 EST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:51:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20000214.165150.193.36.utbagpiper@juno.com> From: "charles hardy" Sender: owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com To: utbagpiper@juno.com Subject: Gun buy back in Provo X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-11,13-14,16,18,21,23,26,28-29,31,33,35,37,39,41,43-44,46-47,49-50,52,54-55,57,59,61,63-68 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 d You might want to pass this along to anyone in Utah County interested in protested or maybe even being able to stop this waste of tax dollars. Provo police to buy back guns Goal is to decrease crime, accidental deaths and suicide By Frank Curreri Deseret News staff writer PROVO — Armed with a $21,000 federal grant, Provo police intend to purchase guns from residents next month in an effort to reduce crime, suicides and accidental deaths in the city. Police who will conduct the city's unprecedented "gun buybacks" hope to collect — and then destroy — nearly 300 guns. By contrast, the city seized 13 guns from criminals last year. "I think it's going to be interesting," said Provo Police Sgt. Lee Upchurch, who will oversee the project. "I have a gut feeling most of these guns will be guns that maybe weren't operable. Is it a good idea? Yeah. I think if a person doesn't feel comfortable with a gun in their home, they ought to turn it in. But I think it will be interesting to see what kinds of guns people turn in. Are we going to see any major assault rifles? I don't know. Actually, I'm just dying to see the first one because I don't know what to expect." The gun buyback is part of a $2.4 million program recently launched by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to take firearms off the streets in 75 cities nationwide. Funding of Provo's buyback project was made possible by the Provo City Public Housing Authority, which diverted $15,000 of a HUD grant toward the plan. That prompted HUD to pitch in an additional $6,514. "This gun buyback in Provo will save lives," HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo said in a prepared statement last week. HUD official Julie Fagan said the initiative is the only one of its kind in Utah this year. Relative to much larger cities scheduled to host federally funded gun buybacks — such as Miami, San Francisco and Newark, N.J. — Provo's crime rate is exceptionally low. For example, from 1996 through 1999, guns were involved in only three homicides in this city of 110,000, according to statistics proffered by Provo police. Federal officials estimate that guns are involved in 30,000 deaths in the U.S. each year — about 1,000 of them accidental and 18,000 by suicide. Violence or mishaps using guns also cause an estimated 100,000 injuries across the nation each year. As is the case nationally, suicide is far more prevalent than murder in Provo, with 32 people taking their own lives between 1995 and 1999 — 20 of them using a gun, according to police. Provo had an average of 55 assaults committed using guns between 1994 and 1998, with a high of 61 in 1994. Howell said police will give a maximum gift certificate of $50 per gun but added there is "talk of trying to increase that." Provo's Police Department is scheduled to host its gun buyback from 9 a.m. to noon March 11, and from 5 to 8 p.m. March 16, at the Eldred Center, 270 W. 500 North in Provo. Sellers do not have to be Provo residents but will have to show identification, Howell said. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - - - --------------6F10B9776EDECC1D7AB3D03E-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:35:54 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-14: URGENT COMMITTEE ALERT! Happy Valentine's Day to all of you! Committee alert! Meetings with Sen. Hatch URGENT! YOU ARE NEEDED THIS WEDNESDAY! As we get closer to the end of the session, the pace will definitely pick up. This coming Wednesday is an important day for gun owners. FOUR bills will be heard Wednesday morning. Wednesday evening is the meeting with Sen. Hatch to discuss Second Amendment issues. PLEASE PLAN TO ATTEND AND TO CONTACT LEGISLATORS! Wednesday schedule Wednesday, Feb. 16th, 8 AM Rm 403 - Senate Transportation and Public Safety Committee. 1. SB 200 - Mental Health Commitment Amendments (Montgomery) This bill is stealth gun control. It would make it possible to commit virtually anyone for "mental illness". Once committed, a person loses his right to purchase or possess a firearm FOR LIFE under FEDERAL law. He can also lose a concealed carry permit under UTAH law. Current commitment laws are adequate since they allow the commitment and detention of anyone who poses an immediate threat to himself or others. Because there is almost no due process for commitment, this is a quick, easy, and inexpensive way to disarm and harass those with "politically incorrect" ideas. (This bill was heard in committee today, but was not voted upon. We expect a vote on Wednesday, although nothing is certain.) 2. HB 199 - Limits on Gun Manufacturers Liability (Throckmorton) This is our ONE good bill this session. It would prohibit frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers by government entities. (This bill was scheduled today but there was not enough time to discuss it.) 3. SB 32 - Concealed Permit Holders Requirements (R. Allen) This terrible bill would require that anyone applying for a concealed carry permit pass a marksmanship test. Sen. Allen apparently believes that failure to pass a marksmanship test is grounds for revoking the right to self-defense and the right to life. This is rather like saying that only physicians should be allowed to perform first aid. In most cases, a firearm used for self defense is never even fired - just the sight of a gun scares off criminals! SB 32 would also discriminate against the disabled, the elderly, women (who carry smaller, lighter, and therefore less accurate guns), and anyone else who can't afford an expensive competition quality firearm. PLEASE CONTACT MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE! OPPOSE SB 200 and SB 32! SUPPORT HB 199! Members of the committee are: Sen. Michael Waddoups, Chair 801-967-0225, mwaddoup@le.state.ut.us President Lane Beattie 801-292-7406, lbeattie@le.state.ut.us Sen. R. Mont Evans 801-254-2655, mevans@le.state.ut.us Sen. Karen Hale 801-485-6642, khale@le.state.ut.us Sen. Paula F. Julander 801-363-0868 prjuland@msn.com Sen. Peter C. Knudson 435-723-2035 pknudson@le.state.ut.us Sen. Eddie "Ed" P. Mayne 801-968-7756 emayne@le.state.ut.us Sen. David H. Steele 801-825-3033 dsteele@le.state.ut.us Sen. Waddoups is on record as saying he opposes SB 200 and supports HB 199. Sen. Mayne is on record as saying he opposes SB 200, and is leaning towards supporting HB 199. Senators Beattie, Evans and Steele need to be reminded that their OWN party platform OPPOSES gun control and supports individual rights! We need at least two (preferable three) members of this committee willing to commit to opposing gun control and supporting gun rights and human rights! YOUR presence, calls, letters, faxes, email, etc. CAN make the difference! Wednesday, Feb. 16, 8 AM, Room 225 House Health and Human Services Committee 1. SB 37 - School Surveys (Montgomery) SB 37 would allow schools to administer surveys asking personal questions to your children WITHOUT your knowledge or permission. Questions about firearms ownership, storage, etc. would be permitted. This bill was held in committee and may be voted on at any time. PLEASE contact members of the committee if you have not done so already and ask them to OPPOSE SB 37. Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair csaunder@le.state.ut.us 801-476-1110 Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair bhollada@le.state.ut.us 801-280-6404 Rep. Loretta Baca, lbaca@le.state.ut.us 801-487-2738 Rep. Trisha Beck tbeck@le.state.ut.us 801-572-2325 Rep. Jackie Biskupski jbiskups@le.state.ut.us 801-484-8369 Rep. Mary Carlson, mcarlson@le.state.ut.us 801-485-8612 Rep. Margaret Dayton mdayton@le.state.ut.us 801-221-0623 Rep. Kory Holdaway kholdawa@le.state.ut.us 801-964-6360 Rep. Becky Lockhart blockhar@le.state.ut.us 801-377-7428 Rep. Marlon O. Snow msnow@le.state.ut.us H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121 Rep. Nora B. Stephens nstephen@le.state.ut.us 801-825-3792 Rep. A. Lamont Tyler atyler@le.state.ut.us H 801-272-1218 W 801-581-6920 Rep. Richard L. Walsh rwalsh@le.state.ut.us 801-561-5169 No firearms bills are scheduled for committee hearings on Tuesday. Meetings with Sen. Hatch PLEASE plan to attend the Second Amendment meeting with Senator Hatch on Wednesday, Feb. 16 at 7 PM, at the Hilton Hotel, 150 West 500 South, SLC. There is a buffet at 5:30 PM, but I'm not sure whether that's open to the public. I attended this evening's Town Meeting with Sen. Hatch in Sandy. It was clear that Sen. Hatch would like us to believe that he's doing us a "favor" by voting for such horrors as a ban on high-capacity magazines, mandatory trigger locks, young adult gun bans, juvenile "Brady", and a variety of onerous regulations that would likely shut down gun shows. UTGuns disagrees. We have never seen a "good" gun control bill! Giving away our rights slowly is still giving away our rights! Please attend the meeting and help Sen. Hatch understand that the only acceptable response to gun control legislation is NO! Thanks for your support! You ARE having an effect, and many legislators have commented on the number of calls they have gotten from "gun people". Keep up the good work. Only 16 days left! Sarah - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:38:37 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Guns - ----- Subject: Guns Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:02:35 -0700 From: "JOHNNIE BRUCE" Senate Transportation and Public Safety Wed Feb 16, 8:00 AM Room 403 SB200 Mental Health Commitment Amendments (Sen Montgomery) They did not have a quorum last time to vote on it. AN ACT RELATING TO THE DIVISION OF MENTAL HEALTH, LOCAL, MENTAL, HEALTH AUTHORITIES, AND THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT OF FINDING THAT A PERSON IS AN “IMMEDIATE” DANGER TO SELF OR OTHERS FOR CIVIL COMMITMENT AND SPECIFIED CRIMINAL COMMITMENTS; AND FURTHER AMENDING CRITERIA FOR CIVIL COMMITMENT. HB 199 Limits on Gun Manufacturer’s Liability (M. Throckmorton) AN ACT RELATING TO THE JUDICIAL CODE; PROHIBITING THE STATE AND ITS POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS FROM SUING FIREARM MANUFACTURERS. This one deserves our support. SB32 Concealed Permit Holders Requirements (R.Allen) AN ACT RELATING TO CONCEALED WEAPONS; REQUIRING FOR ISSUANCE OF A CONCEALED FIREARM PERMIT THAT THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATE COMPETENCE BY HITTING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TARGETS; AND MAKING CONFIRMING AMENDMENTS. SB225 Committee on Criminal Justice for Youth and Adults with Mental Retardation Sponsor: Lyle W. Hillyard AN ACT RELATING TO STATE AFFAIRS IN GENERAL; CREATING THE COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE FOR YOUTH AND ADULTS WITH MENTAL RETARDATION WITHIN THE COMMISSION ON CRIMINAL AND JUVENILE JUSTICE; DEFINING MEMBERSHIP; DESIGNATING TERMS; PROVIDING FOR STAFFING; REQUIRING AN ANNUAL REPORT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:15:48 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: UTGuns leg alert for 2-14---Hearings tomorrow (Wednesday) - ---FORWARDED FROM UTGUNS LEG ALERTS----- Happy Valentine's Day to all of you! Committee alert! Meetings with Sen. Hatch URGENT! YOU ARE NEEDED THIS WEDNESDAY! As we get closer to the end of the session, the pace will definitely pick up. This coming Wednesday is an important day for gun owners. FOUR bills will be heard Wednesday morning. Wednesday evening is the meeting with Sen. Hatch to discuss Second Amendment issues. PLEASE PLAN TO ATTEND AND TO CONTACT LEGISLATORS! Wednesday schedule Wednesday, Feb. 16th, 8 AM Rm 403 - Senate Transportation and Public Safety Committee. 1. SB 200 - Mental Health Commitment Amendments (Montgomery) This bill is stealth gun control. It would make it possible to commit virtually anyone for "mental illness". Once committed, a person loses his right to purchase or possess a firearm FOR LIFE under FEDERAL law. He can also lose a concealed carry permit under UTAH law. Current commitment laws are adequate since they allow the commitment and detention of anyone who poses an immediate threat to himself or others. Because there is almost no due process for commitment, this is a quick, easy, and inexpensive way to disarm and harass those with "politically incorrect" ideas. (This bill was heard in committee today, but was not voted upon. We expect a vote on Wednesday, although nothing is certain.) 2. HB 199 - Limits on Gun Manufacturers Liability (Throckmorton) This is our ONE good bill this session. It would prohibit frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers by government entities. (This bill was scheduled today but there was not enough time to discuss it.) 3. SB 32 - Concealed Permit Holders Requirements (R. Allen) This terrible bill would require that anyone applying for a concealed carry permit pass a marksmanship test. Sen. Allen apparently believes that failure to pass a marksmanship test is grounds for revoking the right to self-defense and the right to life. This is rather like saying that only physicians should be allowed to perform first aid. In most cases, a firearm used for self defense is never even fired - just the sight of a gun scares off criminals! SB 32 would also discriminate against the disabled, the elderly, women (who carry smaller, lighter, and therefore less accurate guns), and anyone else who can't afford an expensive competition quality firearm. PLEASE CONTACT MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE! OPPOSE SB 200 and SB 32! SUPPORT HB 199! Members of the committee are: Sen. Michael Waddoups, Chair 801-967-0225, mwaddoup@le.state.ut.us President Lane Beattie 801-292-7406, lbeattie@le.state.ut.us Sen. R. Mont Evans 801-254-2655, mevans@le.state.ut.us Sen. Karen Hale 801-485-6642, khale@le.state.ut.us Sen. Paula F. Julander 801-363-0868 prjuland@msn.com Sen. Peter C. Knudson 435-723-2035 pknudson@le.state.ut.us Sen. Eddie "Ed" P. Mayne 801-968-7756 emayne@le.state.ut.us Sen. David H. Steele 801-825-3033 dsteele@le.state.ut.us Sen. Waddoups is on record as saying he opposes SB 200 and supports HB 199. Sen. Mayne is on record as saying he opposes SB 200, and is leaning towards supporting HB 199. Senators Beattie, Evans and Steele need to be reminded that their OWN party platform OPPOSES gun control and supports individual rights! We need at least two (preferable three) members of this committee willing to commit to opposing gun control and supporting gun rights and human rights! YOUR presence, calls, letters, faxes, email, etc. CAN make the difference! Wednesday, Feb. 16, 8 AM, Room 225 House Health and Human Services Committee 1. SB 37 - School Surveys (Montgomery) SB 37 would allow schools to administer surveys asking personal questions to your children WITHOUT your knowledge or permission. Questions about firearms ownership, storage, etc. would be permitted. This bill was held in committee and may be voted on at any time. PLEASE contact members of the committee if you have not done so already and ask them to OPPOSE SB 37. Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair csaunder@le.state.ut.us 801-476-1110 Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair bhollada@le.state.ut.us 801-280-6404 Rep. Loretta Baca, lbaca@le.state.ut.us 801-487-2738 Rep. Trisha Beck tbeck@le.state.ut.us 801-572-2325 Rep. Jackie Biskupski jbiskups@le.state.ut.us 801-484-8369 Rep. Mary Carlson, mcarlson@le.state.ut.us 801-485-8612 Rep. Margaret Dayton mdayton@le.state.ut.us 801-221-0623 Rep. Kory Holdaway kholdawa@le.state.ut.us 801-964-6360 Rep. Becky Lockhart blockhar@le.state.ut.us 801-377-7428 Rep. Marlon O. Snow msnow@le.state.ut.us H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121 Rep. Nora B. Stephens nstephen@le.state.ut.us 801-825-3792 Rep. A. Lamont Tyler atyler@le.state.ut.us H 801-272-1218 W 801-581-6920 Rep. Richard L. Walsh rwalsh@le.state.ut.us 801-561-5169 No firearms bills are scheduled for committee hearings on Tuesday. Meetings with Sen. Hatch PLEASE plan to attend the Second Amendment meeting with Senator Hatch on Wednesday, Feb. 16 at 7 PM, at the Hilton Hotel, 150 West 500 South, SLC. There is a buffet at 5:30 PM, but I'm not sure whether that's open to the public. I attended this evening's Town Meeting with Sen. Hatch in Sandy. It was clear that Sen. Hatch would like us to believe that he's doing us a "favor" by voting for such horrors as a ban on high-capacity magazines, mandatory trigger locks, young adult gun bans, juvenile "Brady", and a variety of onerous regulations that would likely shut down gun shows. UTGuns disagrees. We have never seen a "good" gun control bill! Giving away our rights slowly is still giving away our rights! Please attend the meeting and help Sen. Hatch understand that the only acceptable response to gun control legislation is NO! Thanks for your support! You ARE having an effect, and many legislators have commented on the number of calls they have gotten from "gun people". Keep up the good work. Only 16 days left! Sarah ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:05:22 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: FYI: Hatch and S254 Via "Jim Dexter" on Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:50:14 -0700 This is the best of five similar alerts I received. - ---------- Exposing Senators Orrin Hatch's total disregard for the U.S. Constitution and the amendments is obvious in his bill S254. Link to the article below. - ----------------------- from the article: S. 254 imposes a mandatory one-year prison sentence on adults who violate the current federal prohibition on giving handguns to minors. Thus, a father who gives a family heirloom in a locked glass case to a son on the son's seventeenth birthday would spend a mandatory year in prison. Existing federal gun control law prohibits any use of records created for firearms regulation to be used to create a registry of gun owners. The Lautenberg Amendment to S. 254 in effect destroys this protection against the compilation of lists of people who exercise their constitutional rights. The Lautenberg Amendment applies to much more than gun shows. It ratifies the Clinton Administration's illegal practice of using the National Instant Check System to compile lists of gun buyers--including buyers who buy at gun stores, not at gun shows. Article: http://www.i2i.org/SuptDocs/Crime/unfair.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:10:13 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: More Hatch info - ----- Subject: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: More Hatch info Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:33:34 -0700 From: righter@therighter.com For those of you who would like more information on Senator Hatch's S. 254 (Juvenile InJustice Bill), there's an excellent article at: http://www.i2i.org/SuptDocs/Crime/unfair.htm Consider yourself warned: It may give you nightmares! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com. Please check out the new site! This is a one-way list. Please do NOT try to post to the list. It won't work, and repeat violations will result in your removal from the list. Comments may be sent to me at righter@therighter.com. Thanks! Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made and this message is left intact. To subscribe/unsubscribe from leg-alerts, send a message to: majordomo@aros.net In the body put: subscribe (or unsubscribe) leg-alerts - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:23:43 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: ALERT! YOUR HELP IS NEEDED! - ----- Subject: ALERT! YOUR HELP IS NEEDED! Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:08:41 -0700 From: righter@therighter.com The following is posted on behalf of UTGuns and the Eagle Forum! SB 37, the awful School Survey bill, was defeated in committee today. However, the Eagle Forum believes it will be resurrected for another vote. PLEASE help us protect parental rights! Voting to USURP PARENTAL RIGHTS and INVADE FAMILY PRIVACY were: Representatives Beck, Biskupski, Carlson, Saunders, and Tyler. Voting FOR PARENTAL RIGHTS were Reps. Baca, Dayton, Holladay, Lockhart, M. Snow, N. Stephens and R. Walsh. Missing in action was Rep. Holdaway (reportedly seen in the building!) Thanks to the Eagle Forum for this committee report. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU CONTACT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THIS BILL STAYS DEAD! PLEASE contact committee members who voted against this bill and ask them to continue to oppose the bill. (Baca, Dayton, Holladay, Lockhart, M. Snow, N. Stephens, Walsh) Critical contacts: a) Rep. Baca: This is the first time (to my knowledge) that Rep. Baca has voted for parental rights, and she is taking a LOT of heat for bucking her own party. She NEEDS your thanks, support and encouragement! b) Rep. Holladay Rep. Holladay is reported to be wavering on this bill and needs thanks and encouragement to continue to do the right thing. c) Rep. Saunders Rep. Saunders needs to know that supporting SB 37 was a very bad decision that we will not forget. Should the bill be resurrected, we hope he will regain his good sense and oppose it. d) Rep. Holdaway Rep. Holdaway may be the "swing" vote should this bill be heard again. He needs to know that we expect him to support parent's rights! Contact information for House Health and Human Services Committee: Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair csaunder@le.state.ut.us 801-476-1110 Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair bhollada@le.state.ut.us 801-280-6404 Rep. Loretta Baca, lbaca@le.state.ut.us 801-487-2738 Rep. Trisha Beck tbeck@le.state.ut.us 801-572-2325 Rep. Jackie Biskupski jbiskups@le.state.ut.us 801-484-8369 Rep. Mary Carlson, mcarlson@le.state.ut.us 801-485-8612 Rep. Margaret Dayton mdayton@le.state.ut.us 801-221-0623 Rep. Kory Holdaway kholdawa@le.state.ut.us 801-964-6360 Rep. Becky Lockhart blockhar@le.state.ut.us 801-377-7428 Rep. Marlon O. Snow msnow@le.state.ut.us H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121 Rep. Nora B. Stephens nstephen@le.state.ut.us 801-825-3792 Rep. A. Lamont Tyler atyler@le.state.ut.us H 801-272-1218 W 801-581-6920 Rep. Richard L. Walsh rwalsh@le.state.ut.us 801-561-5169 **************************** We also need help with SB 72S2 - Terry Spencer's "Public Safety Amendments". This is an Unconstitutional ex post facto law. It revokes firearms rights for up to 10 years for a juvenile adjudicated delinquent for a felony level offense without a jury trial. It revokes firearms rights for LIFE for anyone found in unlawful possession of a controlled substance (even a single pain pill!) and a firearm at the same time, and for anyone dishonorably discharged from the military, even for "political" rather than "criminal" offenses, such as refusing to serve under a UN commander or refusing an unsafe vaccine. USSC and the NRA have decided to sell out our Constitution and our rights to appease Sen. "Gump" Spencer! Don't believe Sen. Spencer when he tell you he "has to" do what the federal government tells him to do. I guess he's never heard of state's rights. Our state legislators have the right and the responsibility to stand up to federal tyranny and the ever-increasing "federalization" of what are properly state concerns. Please contact members of the House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee and insist they OPPOSE SB 72S2! Bud Bowman, Chair 435-586-8174 Jack A. Seitz, Vice Chair 435-789-0650 Loraine Pace 435-753-6154 Blake D. Chard, 801-773-7474 Carl Saunders, 801-476-1110 Nora Stephens, 801-825-3792 Susan Koehn, 801-296-1761 David L. Hogue, 801-254-1668 Perry L. Buckner, 801-964-8215 Duane Bourdeaux, 801-596-8784 Trisha Beck, 801-572-2325 Thanks! Sarah - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:21:09 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: Today's votes, tomorrow's hearings, your help needed! More complete than the previously posted version. - ------BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE------ From: righter@therighter.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:17:30 -0700 Subject: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: Today's votes, tomorrow's hearings, your help needed! Today's votes - 1.5 victories, 1.5 losses? Tomorrow's schedule (partial) WHAT YOU MUST DO! Special thanks to all of you who showed up for the committee hearings this morning! You DID make a difference, and your support is very much appreciated. I am truly overwhelmed and grateful that there are so many of you good people who care about FREEDOM! TODAY'S VOTES Thanks to Senate Transportation and Public Safety Committee Chair Michael Waddoups for his fine job of facilitating fair hearings. SB 200 - Mental health commitments (Montgomery) SB 200 allows the state to commit persons alleged to be mentally ill, even if they do NOT pose an immediate physical threat to themselves or others. It will make it possible to commit virtually anyone - and then revoke their firearms rights for life under federal law. Despite overwhelming opposition from members of the public (as opposed to government bureaucrats PAID to testify in favor of bigger and more intrusive government), this very scary bill passed out of committee favorably. Voting to REVOKE THE RIGHTS of people who have never committed a crime - without benefit of due process were: Senators HALE, JULANDER, and KNUDSON. Conspicuously ABSENT were Senators Beattie (who was in the building), Mont Evans, and Steele. (Beattie and Evans were also missing in action at the Monday hearing on this bill.) Voting FOR GUN RIGHTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS were Senators Waddoups and Mayne. This bill will now go to the Senate floor. HB 199 - Limits on Liability for Gun Manufacturers (Throckmorton) HB 199 protects gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits intended to enact gun control by putting gun manufacturers out of business. This good and necessary bill received overwhelming support from the public, with only Utahns Against Gun Violence offering opposition. HB 199 was also passed out of committee favorably. Voting to BANKRUPT GUN MANUFACTURERS with frivolous lawsuits were Senators HALE and JULANDER. Voting to protect manufacturers of lawful products and hold criminals responsible for their own behavior were Senators Knudson, Mayne and Waddoups. Senators Beattie, M. Evans and Steele were again absent. This bill will now go to the Senate floor. SB 37 - School Surveys (Montgomery) SB 37 would allow public schools to administer surveys asking personal questions (including questions about firearms) to students WITHOUT parental knowledge or permission. SB 37 was DEFEATED in committee today. However, many of those attending the hearing believe it will be resurrected at a future meeting for another vote. (Like vampires, some bad bills just won't stay dead!) Voting to USURP PARENTAL RIGHTS and INVADE FAMILY PRIVACY were: Representatives Beck, Biskupski, Carlson, Saunders, and Tyler. Voting FOR PARENTAL RIGHTS were Reps. Baca, Dayton, Holladay, Lockhart, M. Snow, N. Stephens and R. Walsh. Missing in action was Rep. Holdaway (also reportedly seen in the building!) Thanks to the Eagle Forum for this committee report. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU CONTACT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THIS BILL STAYS DEAD! (See below!) THURSDAY'S HEARINGS 8 AM - Thursday Feb. 17 House Judiciary Committee HB 372 - Residency Requirement for Concealed Carry Permit - G. Cox (D) This bill would require that a person be a legal resident of Utah in order to apply for a concealed carry permit. It does not address what would happen to current permittees who are non-residents or to residents who move out of state. It appears that Rep. Cox wants to kill Utah's tourist industry - and maybe even its tourists! His not terribly credible excuse is that Utah can't conduct adequate background checks on out of state residents. Since fingerprints are checked by the FBI, Utah is linked to the federal NICS system, and virtually all states have their records available on computer, this is a bit hard to accept. Why should visitors to our ski slopes, national parks, and the Olympics be denied the right to self-defense? What happens to people who live in Utah part, but not all, of the year, and don't qualify for "legal residence"? We know the answer to those questions from Florida's experience. Florida's tourists and "snowbirds" were singled out for attack by vicious criminals until the state expanded its permit law to include non-residents. It's hard to imagine why anyone would support a bill designed to disarm innocent people and injure one of Utah's major industries. 8 AM, Thursday, Feb. 17, Rm 225, House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee SB 72S2 - Public Safety Amendments - Spencer (R) This is an Unconstitutional ex post facto law. It revokes firearms rights for up to 10 years for a juvenile adjudicated delinquent for a felony level offense without a jury trial. It revokes firearms rights for LIFE for anyone found in unlawful possession of a controlled substance (even a single pain pill!) and a firearm at the same time, and for anyone dishonorably discharged from the military, even for “political” rather than “criminal” offenses. Don't be fooled by some so-called "gun rights" and disability groups that are willing to sacrifice our Constitution to appease the anti-gun crowd. And don't believe Sen. Spencer when he tell you he "has to" do what the federal government tells him to do. I guess he's never heard of state's rights. Our state legislators have the right and the responsibility to stand up to federal tyranny and the ever-increasing "federalization" of what are properly state concerns. PLEASE NOTE! The complete schedule for Thursday is not yet available. Please check the full schedule at http://www.le.state.ut.us. It should be available by about 4 PM. WHAT YOU MUST DO! 1. Call your OWN Senator and Senate President Beattie. Insist that they OPPOSE SB 200, and that they SUPPORT HB 199! All Senators can be reached at 801-538-1035, although it's better to call them at home. 2. Contact members of the House Judiciary Committee and insist that they OPPOSE HB 372. (See yesterday's alert for contact list. It's posted at http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/legalerts021500.html.) 3. Contact members of the House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee and INSIST that they OPPOSE SB 72S2. Make sure they know that USSC and the NRA do not speak for YOU - at least on this bill! (See yesterday's alert for contact info.) 4. We need to organize to keep SB 37 DEAD! PLEASE contact committee members who voted against this bill and ask them to continue to oppose the bill. (Baca, Dayton, Holladay, Lockhart, M. Snow, N. Stephens, Walsh) Critical contacts: a) Rep. Baca: This is the first time (to my knowledge) that Rep. Baca has voted for parental rights, and she is taking a LOT of heat for bucking her own party. She NEEDS your thanks, support and encouragement! b) Rep. Holladay Rep. Holladay is reported to be wavering on this bill and needs thanks and encouragement to continue to do the right thing. c) Rep. Saunders Rep. Saunders needs to know that supporting SB 37 was a very bad decision that we will not forget. Should the bill be resurrected, we hope he will regain his good sense and oppose it. d) Rep. Holdaway Rep. Holdaway may be the "swing" vote should this bill be heard again. He needs to know that we expect him to support parent's rights! Contact information for House Health and Human Services Committee: Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair csaunder@le.state.ut.us 801-476-1110 Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair bhollada@le.state.ut.us 801-280-6404 Rep. Loretta Baca, lbaca@le.state.ut.us 801-487-2738 Rep. Trisha Beck tbeck@le.state.ut.us 801-572-2325 Rep. Jackie Biskupski jbiskups@le.state.ut.us 801-484-8369 Rep. Mary Carlson, mcarlson@le.state.ut.us 801-485-8612 Rep. Margaret Dayton mdayton@le.state.ut.us 801-221-0623 Rep. Kory Holdaway kholdawa@le.state.ut.us 801-964-6360 Rep. Becky Lockhart blockhar@le.state.ut.us 801-377-7428 Rep. Marlon O. Snow msnow@le.state.ut.us H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121 Rep. Nora B. Stephens nstephen@le.state.ut.us 801-825-3792 Rep. A. Lamont Tyler atyler@le.state.ut.us H 801-272-1218 W 801-581-6920 Rep. Richard L. Walsh rwalsh@le.state.ut.us 801-561-5169 5. Please try to attend Thursday's committee meetings. 6. I hope to see (and meet) many of you at Sen. Hatch's "Town Meeting" this evening! Hilton Hotel, 7 or 7:30 PM (the invitations aren't consistent!) Thanks again for your hard work and support! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com. Please check out the new site! This is a one-way list. Please do NOT try to post to the list. It won't work, and repeat violations will result in your removal from the list. Comments may be sent to me at righter@therighter.com. Thanks! 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