From: Paul Doubek Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 08:35:23 -0600 I can't attest to what Looper can do, but I've had minor repairs on dinghy sails done by Wave Products on 21st South in SLC. They're in the book. I don't know that I would ask them to do anything major, but I've been pleased with what I've had them do (batten pockets, small repairs). I've also had them knock out sail bags for a very reasonable price. They made me 3 really nice bags with full length zippers for my sailboard sails last summer. pd Shane Pollard wrote: > > Kevin Greaves, aka "Looper" can probably help you. Contact him at 248-2818. > That's a pager. He's usually really good about calling right back. > > > Is there anywhere local where I can get some sail repairs done? The > > leech line has come out of my main sail and it looks beyond my poor > > abilities to fix. > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Tostado Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 09:00:12 -0600 I support local vendors to their limits. If you have a job not doable here in SLC please give me a call and I can arrange for shipment there and return, with quote for repair from T&A Sails, Wilmington California. They have been my sail loft for the better part of 20 years. They have done RUNAWAY, SKEDADDLE, QUERVO, and other head sails and spinnakers for local boats. On the average the turnaround time is under a week. You get it to me on Sunday afternoon and it will be back by Friday, next. CHEERS, RAY TOSTADO * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretha W Record" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 12:13:10 -0600 I have had Wave do canvas work and canvas repair and for me and they have done a terrible job nothing fits right, I would not let them fix my Levi's. Looper has always done the work timely and reasonably with fantastic results I have never been disappointed. Gretha * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 12:25:35 -0600 On 1 Aug 99, at 12:13, Gretha W Record wrote the following in regards to: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs: > I have had Wave do canvas work and canvas repair and for me and they have > done a terrible job nothing fits right, I would not let them fix my > Levi's. Looper has always done the work timely and reasonably with > fantastic results I have never been disappointed. Wave has run into some financial difficulty, and laid off most of their employees. Some of those they got rid of were very good. I suspect that quality has suffered as a result. Dave -- David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 01 Aug 1999 17:01:02 -0600 The news is launching several days worth of special news reports on the Great Salt Lake now that the State of Utah comes to finalize their management plan for it. In case you are not getting alerts about goings on on the GSL, don't buy a paper, don't read them, or are not getting this particular one, here are the links to each of the stories: http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013636,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013637,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013638,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013640,00.html http://www.sltrib.com:80/1999/aug/08011999/utah/11973.htm Enjoy, Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILHARRIS Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 18:19:34 -0600 I've seen Looper have work done by Wave, not only have they "fixed my Levis" but MANY sail repair jobs for me, maybe you gave Wave crappy instuctions? Take a look at my boat, Cold Wave, fanny and other packs, and my prized spinnaker repairs. Maybe if your Levis are broken, you should buy a bigger size. Bill Harris Gretha W Record wrote: > I have had Wave do canvas work and canvas repair and for me and they have > done a terrible job nothing fits right, I would not let them fix my Levi's. > Looper has always done the work timely and reasonably with fantastic results > I have never been disappointed. > > Gretha > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILHARRIS Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 18:20:58 -0600 Wave laid off the very employees Gretha was complaining about. David Oswald wrote: > On 1 Aug 99, at 12:13, > Gretha W Record wrote the following > in regards to: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs: > > > I have had Wave do canvas work and canvas repair and for me and they have > > done a terrible job nothing fits right, I would not let them fix my > > Levi's. Looper has always done the work timely and reasonably with > > fantastic results I have never been disappointed. > > Wave has run into some financial difficulty, and laid off most of > their employees. Some of those they got rid of were very good. I > suspect that quality has suffered as a result. > > Dave > -- > David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald > Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BILHARRIS Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 18:49:41 -0600 Hey Dave. If you have the time could you give me a call? Helen Harris Wave Products 466-4345 Thanks David Oswald wrote: > On 1 Aug 99, at 12:13, > Gretha W Record wrote the following > in regards to: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs: > > > I have had Wave do canvas work and canvas repair and for me and they have > > done a terrible job nothing fits right, I would not let them fix my > > Levi's. Looper has always done the work timely and reasonably with > > fantastic results I have never been disappointed. > > Wave has run into some financial difficulty, and laid off most of > their employees. Some of those they got rid of were very good. I > suspect that quality has suffered as a result. > > Dave > -- > David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald > Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Travis Gregory Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 01 Aug 1999 20:28:24 -0600 Pat, Thanks for the fine collection of links. You are truly a fine educator! "Pat S." wrote: > The news is launching several days worth of special news reports on the > Great Salt Lake now that the State of Utah comes to finalize their > management plan for it. In case you are not getting alerts about goings > on on the GSL, don't buy a paper, don't read them, or are not getting > this particular one, here are the links to each of the stories: > > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013636,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013637,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013638,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013640,00.html > http://www.sltrib.com:80/1999/aug/08011999/utah/11973.htm > > Enjoy, > Pat Swigart > "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" > > "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 > mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net > > THE GREAT SALT > Sailing and The Great Salt Lake > Utah's Inland Sea > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 01 Aug 1999 21:05:02 -0600 On 1 Aug 99, at 18:49, BILHARRIS wrote the following in regards to: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs: > Hey Dave. If you have the time could you give me a call? > Helen Harris > Wave Products > 466-4345 Was I inaccurate in my assessment? If so I apologize and will retract my statement to the list. Dave -- David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretha W Record" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 02 Aug 1999 02:19:53 -0600 Thanks Pat all the info is very much appreciated. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Taylor" Subject: (utah-sailing) Where is Sail? Date: 02 Aug 1999 09:31:25 -0500 Ray, When I got to the parking lot last evening, I couldn't find my sail. Did = you leave it by my truck? Is someone playing games? Was it stolen? Dave = = = = = = = = =20 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Taylor" Subject: (utah-sailing) Disregard Date: 02 Aug 1999 09:40:18 -0500 For everyone except Ray - please disregard the previous message from me - = it was sent to everyone by mistake. Dave = = = = = = = =20 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 02 Aug 1999 11:12:57 -0700 Looks like you've had lot's of responses to you post. Thought I'd add my personal thoughts on this. I had exactly the same thing happed to my #3 head sail. I had Looper fix it, He did a Super job! I even tipped him a little extra I was so please. I have been using the sail over a year now under typical #3 extreme racing conditions and his repairs have held up perfectly. Strong recommendation. You can contact Looper through Sid's Sports. Eugene Morgan Highwire -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 9:22 AM Is there anywhere local where I can get some sail repairs done? The leech line has come out of my main sail and it looks beyond my poor abilities to fix. Michael Bendio _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 02 Aug 1999 15:23:59 EDT Looper's cool! * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad J Silver" Subject: (utah-sailing) Response on Hunting Situation on Great Salt Lake & Marina Date: 02 Aug 1999 12:56:07 -0700 Forwarding.......................... ---------------------- Forwarded by Brad J Silver/TC/TRS/American Express on 08/02/99 01:54 PM --------------------------- TMartin316%aol.com@Internet, pamela.y.sato%boeing.com@Internet, gbrown1484%earthlink.net@Internet, dwicker%es.com@Internet, record%lgcy.com@Internet, emorgan%microsoft.com@Internet, steffanie.drew%pacificorp.com@Internet, fogsl%xmission.com@Internet cc: We have received a response from Kevin Conway regarding our request for a no hunting declaration for the area around the Great Salt Lake Marina and along the roadway East to Saltair. The Department of Wildlife Resources has decided to recommend to the Board of Directors that the area for 1/4 mile around the Great Salt Lake Marina (East for approximately 1/4 mile from the Maintenance building and West for approximately 1/4 mile from the facility ) be included in the 1999-2000 proclaimations and posted as a no hunting area. This is a "recommendation" and does not guarantee that it will be approved by the Board of Directors of the Wildlife Board. It also does not protect us from hunting along the roadway between the 1/4 mile boundary and Saltair. The DWR feels this is beyond their ability to impact (However, the Proclamation would read: "The Great Salt Lake Marina and adjacent areas as posted by the Division are closed to hunting " -giving the impression that it is a more general closure) and if we want more we need to attend RAC (Regional Advisory Council Meetings) in various areas and plead our case. These meetings unfortunately are NOW. The Board of Directors meeting is Aug. 18th. We need to make sure that at least this passses and try one last time to still get the whole roadside protected. The following is the text of Mr. Conway's letter (dated 7/30 received 8/1): I am writing regarding your request for closure of hunting along the Great Salt Lake shoreline from Black Rock to one-quarter mile east of Saltair. A discussion of such a closure needs to include the statutory requirement relating to the issue. As you are aware, when the property was designated as a State Park it was closed to hunting. However, when this designation was lifted these lands were regulated under Section 23-21-4 of the Utah Code, which is enclosed for your reference. This section states that the public has a "right" to access these lands for the purpose of hunting. The code further states that these lands can be closed to hunting as provided in the code for the other lands and waters. Section 23-14-18(2)(g) of Wildlife Code (copy was enclosed - but I will fax it if anyone wants copy) specifies that the Utah Wildlife board, not the Division of Wildlife Resources, has the authority to close lands to hunting for safety reasons. In a June 7, 1999 letter, I satated that the Division felt that safety concerns could be adressed by stricter enforcement of existing regulations. Subsequent to this letter, I have received numerous letters of concern reltaing to the Division's position on this issue. In response to these concerns, I made a personal visit to the area to reevaluate my position. After visiting the site and conducting an extensive review of exisyting statutes and rules, I still do not believe that a closure from Black Rock to one-quarter mile east of Saltair can be justifies as a safety measure. However, I am convinced that an added level of protection is needed around the marina. Therefore, the division is recommending to the Wildlife Board that the following language be added to the 1999-2000 Waterfowl Proclamation: "The Great Salt Lake Marina and adjacent areas as posted by the Division are closed to hunting" If this regulation change is passed by the Wildlife Board, the Division will post an area from apporximately one-quarter mile east of the State Park's maintenance building to one-quarter mile west of the facitlity as closed to hunting. I believe that this level of closure and strict enforcement of other regulations will address any safety concerns which have occurred in the past. The Waterfowl Proclamation will be discussed at Regional Advisory Council Meeting and at the Wildlife Board meeting as follows: Northern Region - August 4, 1999 6:00 PM Brigham City Community Center 24 North 300 West Brigham City Central Region - August 5, 1999 - 6:30 PM Spanish Fork Veterans Hall 400 North Main Street Spanish Fork Wildlife board Meeting - August 18, 1999 - 9:00 AM Department of Natural Resources 1594 West North Temple Salt Lake City Northeast Region August 2, 1999 - 7:00 PM Vernal City Offices 447 East Main Street Vernal Southern Region August 4, 1999 - 7:00 PM Millard High School 35 North 200 West Fillmore South East Region August 3, 1999 - 6:30 PM John Wesley Powell Museum 885 East Main Street Green River Thank you for your letter of concern Sincerely, Kevin Conway Assisitant Director Department of Wildlife Resources ----------This goes a long way toward filling our needs - especially the way they are recommending the proclamation be worded. To ensure this is adopted by the board it is important that we attend the Board Meeting to show support and It is essential that we express our concerns and requested changes to all the RAC's they then send their recommendations to the Wildlife Board. (If we can - even to the RAC's in other regions - they all have to agree to get things passed.) Our Region is the Northern Region and the Central Region is a heavy influencer since it boarders our Southern side (the freeway is the dividing line!) If you would like to e-mail Rac members good luck finding their addresses - You might be able to go to the state web site and find Board Members addresses and phone numbers for RAC members. Thanks for your help - Pass this on and please post. Sherry and Gerry Brown I think we need to thank them for what they have done and respectfully request that they consider closing the rest of the hunting along the road between the Marina and Saltair due to it's close proximity to the road and water use by sailors, scullers, etc. and since this has traditionally been a no hunting area there really is not a loss of normal hunting area to those who enjoy the sport - we are simply asking for what we had to be restored. Safety is the only issue they will act on. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (utah-sailing) Bottom work and keel... Date: 02 Aug 1999 15:30:32 -0600 Hi folks, I just received a quote of $500 for refinishing the swing keel and $750 for the bottom on my Cat 22 from Sid's. No blistering on the bottom, keel is rusted. Does that seem about right and does Sid's do good work? Thank you, Kurt Simpson Cat 22 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JEANNE M. O'BRIEN" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail repairs Date: 02 Aug 1999 16:23:53 -0600 ewwww - that was a cruel thing to say to a woman - good for you!! -----Original Message----- >I've seen Looper have work done by Wave, not only have they "fixed my Levis" but >MANY sail repair jobs for me, maybe you gave Wave crappy instuctions? Take a >look at my boat, Cold Wave, fanny and other packs, and my prized spinnaker >repairs. Maybe if your Levis are broken, you should buy a bigger size. > >Bill Harris > > >Gretha W Record wrote: > >> I have had Wave do canvas work and canvas repair and for me and they have >> done a terrible job nothing fits right, I would not let them fix my Levi's. >> Looper has always done the work timely and reasonably with fantastic results >> I have never been disappointed. >> >> Gretha >> >> * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with >> * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > >* To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with >* the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kellycpi" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Bottom work and keel... Date: 02 Aug 1999 16:28:06 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEDD04.0049D940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No comment on price, but the work is excellent! 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Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #2 Date: 02 Aug 1999 17:36:49 -0600 "Extra! Extra! Read all about it! http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,105001682,00.html? Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Tostado Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) RE: Boater's World Employment Date: 02 Aug 1999 18:45:40 -0600 Way to go Terry, you old snake charmer, you. Looks like my prom date in 07' New crew perhaps? Do foredeck and steer at the same time? Cheers, RT * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 02 Aug 1999 18:31:18 -0700 Good piece on the GSL. If the goal is to raise public interest and awareness in this special place I say well done. It would be very hard to condense the rich history of the lake and it effect on the state into a few pages of test. I did spot a few inaccuracies some to minor to mention but one I wish to correct regarding Fremont's expedition. Captain John Charles Fremont first visited the Great Salt Lake on or about September 6th, 1843 on his second visit to the west. On his first visit he got as far as the Wind River mountains before turning back east. It was on September 9, 1843 that Fremont visited Fremont Island and when the famous Kit Carson cross was carved into a rock formation on top of what was named by Fremont as Disappointment Island. Howard Stansbury later renamed the Island in honor of Fremont. See "Report of the Exploring Expedition to the Rocky Mountains" by John Charles Fremont published in 1845. Gene -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 8:28 PM Pat, Thanks for the fine collection of links. You are truly a fine educator! "Pat S." wrote: > The news is launching several days worth of special news reports on the > Great Salt Lake now that the State of Utah comes to finalize their > management plan for it. In case you are not getting alerts about goings > on on the GSL, don't buy a paper, don't read them, or are not getting > this particular one, here are the links to each of the stories: > > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013636,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013637,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013638,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013640,00.html > http://www.sltrib.com:80/1999/aug/08011999/utah/11973.htm > > Enjoy, > Pat Swigart > "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" > > "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 > mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net > > THE GREAT SALT > Sailing and The Great Salt Lake > Utah's Inland Sea > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 02 Aug 1999 18:36:04 -0700 Correction: "text" not test..... My error....oops, guess I won't be able to ascend this week either..... Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:31 PM Good piece on the GSL. If the goal is to raise public interest and awareness in this special place I say well done. It would be very hard to condense the rich history of the lake and it effect on the state into a few pages of text. I did spot a few inaccuracies some to minor to mention but one I wish to correct regarding Fremont's expedition. Captain John Charles Fremont first visited the Great Salt Lake on or about September 6th, 1843 on his second visit to the west. On his first visit he got as far as the Wind River mountains before turning back east. It was on September 9, 1843 that Fremont visited Fremont Island and when the famous Kit Carson cross was carved into a rock formation on top of what was named by Fremont as Disappointment Island. Howard Stansbury later renamed the Island in honor of Fremont. See "Report of the Exploring Expedition to the Rocky Mountains" by John Charles Fremont published in 1845. Gene -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 8:28 PM Pat, Thanks for the fine collection of links. You are truly a fine educator! "Pat S." wrote: > The news is launching several days worth of special news reports on the > Great Salt Lake now that the State of Utah comes to finalize their > management plan for it. In case you are not getting alerts about goings > on on the GSL, don't buy a paper, don't read them, or are not getting > this particular one, here are the links to each of the stories: > > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013636,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013637,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013638,00.html > http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,100013640,00.html > http://www.sltrib.com:80/1999/aug/08011999/utah/11973.htm > > Enjoy, > Pat Swigart > "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" > > "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 > mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net > > THE GREAT SALT > Sailing and The Great Salt Lake > Utah's Inland Sea > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Bottom work and keel... Date: 02 Aug 1999 23:39:59 -0600 Kurt Simpson wrote: > > Hi folks, I just received a quote of $500 for refinishing the swing keel and > $750 for the bottom on my Cat 22 from Sid's. No blistering on the bottom, > keel is rusted. Does that seem about right and does Sid's do good work? They did my J/22 a couple of months ago. They cleaned, re-faired, and primed the keel, and then painted the bottom with paint I provided. Their work seems to be of very high quality, though it took quite a bit longer than any of us expected. The rainy spring didn't help the work schedule at all. Your estimates seem inline with what I paid for refairing and painting. Tell Dave and Sid I said "Hi." -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Bottom work and keel... Date: 03 Aug 1999 06:55:38 -0600 thanks much Wes... Kurt -----Original Message----- >Kurt Simpson wrote: >> >> Hi folks, I just received a quote of $500 for refinishing the swing keel and >> $750 for the bottom on my Cat 22 from Sid's. No blistering on the bottom, >> keel is rusted. Does that seem about right and does Sid's do good work? > >They did my J/22 a couple of months ago. They cleaned, re-faired, and primed >the keel, and then painted the bottom with paint I provided. Their work seems >to be of very high quality, though it took quite a bit longer than any of us >expected. The rainy spring didn't help the work schedule at all. > >Your estimates seem inline with what I paid for refairing and painting. Tell >Dave and Sid I said "Hi." > >-- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > >Wes Peters Softweyr LLC >http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com > >* To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with >* the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #3 Date: 03 Aug 1999 09:03:30 -0600 Driving with headlights off? This seems to be the death-knell for the shrimp: http://www.sltrib.com:80/1999/aug/08031999/business/11461.htm Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 03 Aug 1999 14:09:05 -0600 I am inquiring/alerting regarding the brown stains and spots on many of the boats yesterday at the South marina. I went sailing yesterday and saw almost no others, so I thought I would ask/mention this to the group in case you know/don't know about it. The spots covered my boat up to about 3 to 4 feet above the water line. Some boats were completely covered especially at the bows or the docksides. It appears that the wood has been treated recently (by the GSL State Park?) with some kind of sticky waterproof or at least water resistant substance. Either the work was done without regard to boats or the winds came up as it was applied. We tried a high pressure nozzle setting to hose it off to no avail. It seems it will require some purchase of cleaners or soaps and possibly much elbow grease. Does anyone know about this? I will look for answers and comments addressed to the group here on the utah-sailing list. Pat * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 03 Aug 1999 17:23:28 EDT Pat is right... I noticed the same thing on many boats after they (?) sprayed the docks. Some boats looked pretty bad. And the stuff did not just wipe off. Looks bad! What the heck is this stuff and where did it come form?? * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad J Silver" Subject: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 03 Aug 1999 14:39:01 -0700 Does any one know if TRUE COLORS has been repainted brown? Brad ---------------------- Forwarded by Brad J Silver/TC/TRS/American Express on 08/03/99 03:36 PM --------------------------- cc: (bcc: Brad J Silver/TC/TRS/American Express) I am inquiring/alerting regarding the brown stains and spots on many of the boats yesterday at the South marina. I went sailing yesterday and saw almost no others, so I thought I would ask/mention this to the group in case you know/don't know about it. The spots covered my boat up to about 3 to 4 feet above the water line. Some boats were completely covered especially at the bows or the docksides. It appears that the wood has been treated recently (by the GSL State Park?) with some kind of sticky waterproof or at least water resistant substance. Either the work was done without regard to boats or the winds came up as it was applied. We tried a high pressure nozzle setting to hose it off to no avail. It seems it will require some purchase of cleaners or soaps and possibly much elbow grease. Does anyone know about this? I will look for answers and comments addressed to the group here on the utah-sailing list. Pat * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretha" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 03 Aug 1999 15:46:52 -0600 I talked to Dave Shearer at Sidsports this afternoon, he said if the brown spots will not spray off you might want to try oxalic acid and they should clean right off. Gretha * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heidi Solstad Subject: (utah-sailing) Wandering Water Leach Date: 04 Aug 1999 06:20:14 PDT I've been asked "What do I sail"? Right now, almost anything I can. I hav= e even been known to crew on a Capri 30. ;) (cheers, Ray) You will see me = there whenever I am allowed out of the house and can hitch a ride. One day though, it will be my choice. Ah, the freedom of one's own boat, = with out the outgoing cash flow leaving me begging on the streets. What do I s= ail? In my mind I have sailed a; Hunter...seasick automatically, a J30.....joy= riding, a Soverel 33....with good helmsmenship leaving the J behind, a Elite....she keeps being elusive, Pearson, Schock Santana, Cal, C & C, Ca= pri, Olson......all for brief interludes, it is now, that a Beneteau First 305= holds my interest. She has yet to push me away. Even as far as North Caro= lina, she is going to be Salt Lake City bound. By crane day? I can only hope. If I don't get Bob to whimsically donate his vital organs for good money = to buy the Oyster 435 that sits in Seattle for us. One day. "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you. " Jean-Paul Sartre Thanxs for having me aboard Dave O. and Ray. Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad J Silver" Subject: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 04 Aug 1999 06:35:12 -0700 Hello everyone, I forwarded Pat,s message to Bruce Strom yesterday and this is his response. Brad: Bob Ewing - maintenance supervisor - assured me no boats would get any "overspray" while they were sealing the docks. Not sure what we can do at this point if any boats "got sealed" We can provide cleaners if need be. His email is: nrdpr.bewing@state.ut.us Bob Rosell is: nrdpr.brosell@state.ut.us Bob & Bob will inspect boats for any overspray. Bruce ---------------------- Forwarded by Brad J Silver/TC/TRS/American Express on 08/04/99 07:30 AM --------------------------- cc: (bcc: Brad J Silver/TC/TRS/American Express) I am inquiring/alerting regarding the brown stains and spots on many of the boats yesterday at the South marina. I went sailing yesterday and saw almost no others, so I thought I would ask/mention this to the group in case you know/don't know about it. The spots covered my boat up to about 3 to 4 feet above the water line. Some boats were completely covered especially at the bows or the docksides. It appears that the wood has been treated recently (by the GSL State Park?) with some kind of sticky waterproof or at least water resistant substance. Either the work was done without regard to boats or the winds came up as it was applied. We tried a high pressure nozzle setting to hose it off to no avail. It seems it will require some purchase of cleaners or soaps and possibly much elbow grease. Does anyone know about this? I will look for answers and comments addressed to the group here on the utah-sailing list. Pat * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Tostado Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 04 Aug 1999 08:20:34 -0600 Given the several descriptions offered by boat owners I can only deduce that this is one great sealer. Where can I get some for my hot tub deck? Rocky and Ray * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 04 Aug 1999 08:46:28 -0700 I also forwarded many of the posts to Bob rather than bothering Bruce with it. So far I'd not heard back from Bob but figured I'd see him tonight and ask him about it. EM -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 7:35 AM Hello everyone, I forwarded Pat,s message to Bruce Strom yesterday and this is his response. Brad: Bob Ewing - maintenance supervisor - assured me no boats would get any "overspray" while they were sealing the docks. Not sure what we can do at this point if any boats "got sealed" We can provide cleaners if need be. His email is: nrdpr.bewing@state.ut.us Bob Rosell is: nrdpr.brosell@state.ut.us Bob & Bob will inspect boats for any overspray. Bruce ---------------------- Forwarded by Brad J Silver/TC/TRS/American Express on 08/04/99 07:30 AM --------------------------- cc: (bcc: Brad J Silver/TC/TRS/American Express) I am inquiring/alerting regarding the brown stains and spots on many of the boats yesterday at the South marina. I went sailing yesterday and saw almost no others, so I thought I would ask/mention this to the group in case you know/don't know about it. The spots covered my boat up to about 3 to 4 feet above the water line. Some boats were completely covered especially at the bows or the docksides. It appears that the wood has been treated recently (by the GSL State Park?) with some kind of sticky waterproof or at least water resistant substance. Either the work was done without regard to boats or the winds came up as it was applied. We tried a high pressure nozzle setting to hose it off to no avail. It seems it will require some purchase of cleaners or soaps and possibly much elbow grease. Does anyone know about this? I will look for answers and comments addressed to the group here on the utah-sailing list. Pat * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Trim Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Bottom work and keel... Date: 04 Aug 1999 13:51:36 -0600 COMMERCIAL PLUG WARNING!!!! You cold do it yourself. There is a video available from Catalina Direct at the Foredeck, that goes through the process from soup to nuts (ehhh, grinding to painting) for the C22 swing keel. It also includes the foil template to get the shape just right. I produced it last year (therein is the commercial plug... sorry). No, I do not do it for hire. Sorry. It's a fair amount of work but none of it is complicated. The price quote you got is right on track. Sid & folks are very good to us local boaters. Hang in there guys, West marine is kinda like Eagle to Chris-N-Dicks. For C22 owners there are 4 more Do It Yourself project videos being released between now and spring. The second one will be released Friday. I and my C22 are now religated to producting videos and not sailing :-( It was painfull to set on the rocks at the mouth of the marina shooting video of the receint Catalina day on the water and not be out there with you. Call Catalina Direct for the details or hit their web page CatalinaDirect.com I think. I hope this is not an abuse of the list, but I'll do about anything to help and get C22 folks together on the water. Bob Trim 'Trimster' C22 #7790 Taylorsville >>> Wes Peters - 8/2/99 11:39 PM >>> Kurt Simpson wrote: > > Hi folks, I just received a quote of $500 for refinishing the swing keel and > $750 for the bottom on my Cat 22 from Sid's. No blistering on the bottom, > keel is rusted. Does that seem about right and does Sid's do good work? They did my J/22 a couple of months ago. They cleaned, re-faired, and primed the keel, and then painted the bottom with paint I provided. Their work seems to be of very high quality, though it took quite a bit longer than any of us expected. The rainy spring didn't help the work schedule at all. Your estimates seem inline with what I paid for refairing and painting. Tell Dave and Sid I said "Hi." -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Brown Stained Boats Date: 04 Aug 1999 18:20:18 -0600 Ray Tostado wrote: > > Given the several descriptions offered by boat owners I can only deduce > that this is one great sealer. Where can I get some for my hot tub deck? You crack me up. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward Stiles" Subject: (utah-sailing) Saturdays Cruise Date: 05 Aug 1999 08:53:08 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEDF1F.F0A24860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to check in to see if the cruise for this Saturday is = still on, the 7th, I am planning to make it since I have a Saturday = free. Ted Stiles Cat 25 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEDF1F.F0A24860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just wanted to check in to see if the cruise for = this=20 Saturday is still on, the 7th, I am planning to make it since I have a = Saturday=20 free.
 
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Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) Friends of Great Salt Lake Date: 05 Aug 1999 10:15:57 -0600 I was making updates to links on my website when I found that the Friends of Great Salt Lake are no longer on line? Does anyone no what has become of them? from the GSL Watchdog -- Bwoof! "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #4 Date: 05 Aug 1999 23:24:18 -0600 Today's features on the GSL: http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,105002206,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,105002199,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,105002205,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,105002200,00.html Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #5 Date: 06 Aug 1999 22:49:43 -0600 A couple more stories about the GSL from the news: http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110001634,00.html? http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,105001993,00.html? Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #6 Date: 08 Aug 1999 10:12:26 -0600 Today's news bites: http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110001744,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110001978,00.html http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110002185,00.html Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #7 Date: 09 Aug 1999 21:29:49 -0600 Here's an article about Lynn de Freitas and the future outlook or way of having an outlook and the future that goes with it. http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110002222,00.html? Hope you are enjoying these unusually frequent articles that are coming out from various sources. Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) FOGSL: Alive! and Suggestion Date: 09 Aug 1999 21:53:13 -0600 A few days ago, I began getting in touch with several people upon the disappearance of the FOGSL website http://www.xmission.com/~fogsl/ and as you can see for yourselves, they are OK now and back on line. X-Mission informed me that they had let their contract run out for reasons they were not aware of. This was odd because the website exists through a generous donation by X-Mission. I alarmed and notified several key figures, including Sandy Meek who knows Lynn de Freitas. Apparently even she was not aware of their "demise." (Like Mark Twain who said in a speech to a dinner banquet that "as you can see the rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.") I thought I should follow up with this on the Utah-Sailing E-Mail List so that others might know the rest of the story. By the by, would there be any interest amongst the Utah-Sailing subscribers to see another similar E-Mail list by Friends of Great Salt Lake and possibly provided by X-Mission that would alert its readers to concerns and discussions on environmental and ecological topics? (Could we have a show of hands?-- how about some e-mail to Utah-Sailing then) We would we be twice-blessed to have a newsgroup/e-mail list that deals with sailing predominantly (but not exclusively) and another that would reveal what others who are concerned about the Great Salt Lake are thinking, feeling, saying who are predominantly non-sailing (but not exclusively). Those are tedious sentences but I'm sure you all get the idea. (Tedious sentences are something up with which I shall not put!) I talked with Dave Oswald about this possibility and he thinks there might be some merit in it and definitely possible since FOGSL are being provided for by X-Mission. Dave has even offered his expertise in administrating another e-mail list on their behalf. (What a guy!) Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" (my favorite tedious sentence) "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) FOGSL: Alive! and Suggestion Date: 10 Aug 1999 12:18:47 EDT Pat, Count me in for the FOGSL link. I think it is a great idea. T. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heidi Solstad Subject: Re: [(utah-sailing) FOGSL: Alive! and Suggestion] Date: 10 Aug 1999 09:28:02 PDT I have found in my 40 years, that to find the true pleasure of something = or someone, is to know it from its origins. Though, this means taking a cour= se in going back in order to appreciate the present and the future. I prefer, b= y far, sailing the Great Salt Lake when I learn of its' past. It becomes mo= re then what my narrow vision sees. The articles from the Desert News have b= een remarkable in expanding my knowledge of the GSL. They are appreciated! What of the Friends of Great Salt Lake? How might their presence affect sailors on the GSL? They are, if not solid thread for our sails, importan= t for our navigation. They represent the future. Biology needs human voice to protect it, because of the mere fact that "man-kind" (oxymoron?), lives i= n it. The lake was not put there for our pleasure. We are but visitors. FOGSL h= elps remind us of that. Some sailors prefer other waters, such as the Puget Sound, because of it= s particular beauty or places to "arrive at". I can not disagree, but ask t= hat as sailors on the Great Salt Lake, we listen and look for the beauty of w= hat we have at hand, or we may find we miss what was and never arrive. Learn = the origins of what you love and you will understand its' true treasure. "Seek first, they say, to provide a livable home for the lake's biology." = (Desert News) Heidi * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert McClane Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) FOGSL: Alive! and Suggestion Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:41:00 -0600 Pat's idea about FOGSL is good - the two groups have much common ground. Robert W. McClane Dixon Laser Institute Dept. of Physics University of Utah r.mcclane@m.cc.utah.edu 801-581-7001 Phone 801-585-3098 FAX * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) FOGSL: Alive! and Suggestion Date: 10 Aug 1999 11:04:36 -0600 At 21:53 8/9/99 -0600, Pat S. wrote: I'm a member of FOGSL. When I talked to Lynn about the web site, she asked for some computer help. As part of that, I'll be glad to help set it up with FOGSL. I'm getting kicked out of my office for the rest of the week for asbestos abatement, so I'll check my mail next week. Might as well go sailing. Sandy > >By the by, would there be any interest amongst the Utah-Sailing >subscribers to see another similar E-Mail list by Friends of Great Salt >Lake and possibly provided by X-Mission that would alert its readers to >concerns and discussions on environmental and ecological topics? (Could >we have a show of hands?-- how about some e-mail to Utah-Sailing then) >We would we be twice-blessed to have a newsgroup/e-mail list that deals >with sailing predominantly (but not exclusively) and another that would >reveal what others who are concerned about the Great Salt Lake are >thinking, feeling, saying who are predominantly non-sailing (but not >exclusively). Those are tedious sentences but I'm sure you all get the >idea. (Tedious sentences are something up with which I shall not put!) > Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich Osborne" Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) FOGSL: Alive! and Suggestion Date: 11 Aug 1999 01:11:17 -0600 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEE397.A733A8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support a common posting here. While a small percentage of the actual = members of the Friends of GSL may be sailors, almost all, if not all, of = the sailors are concerned with the biological, economic, recreational, = and development-oriented issues that are inherent in any discussion of = this fragile ecosystem. Additionally, a posting here extends the = grass-roots influence of the Friends of GSL to a large and potentially = active political power base, with South Marina users contributing more = than 1/2 mil to the General Fund annually. Rich ---------- Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 9:53 PM A few days ago, I began getting in touch with several people upon the disappearance of the FOGSL website http://www.xmission.com/~fogsl/ and as you can see for yourselves, they are OK now and back on line. X-Mission informed me that they had let their contract run out for reasons they were not aware of. This was odd because the website exists through a generous donation by X-Mission. I alarmed and notified several key figures, including Sandy Meek who knows Lynn de Freitas. Apparently even she was not aware of their "demise." (Like Mark Twain who said in a speech to a dinner banquet that "as you can see the rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.") I thought I should follow up with this on the Utah-Sailing E-Mail List so that others might know the rest of the story. By the by, would there be any interest amongst the Utah-Sailing subscribers to see another similar E-Mail list by Friends of Great Salt Lake and possibly provided by X-Mission that would alert its readers to concerns and discussions on environmental and ecological topics? (Could we have a show of hands?-- how about some e-mail to Utah-Sailing then) We would we be twice-blessed to have a newsgroup/e-mail list that deals with sailing predominantly (but not exclusively) and another that would reveal what others who are concerned about the Great Salt Lake are thinking, feeling, saying who are predominantly non-sailing (but not exclusively). Those are tedious sentences but I'm sure you all get the idea. (Tedious sentences are something up with which I shall not put!) I talked with Dave Oswald about this possibility and he thinks there might be some merit in it and definitely possible since FOGSL are being provided for by X-Mission. Dave has even offered his expertise in administrating another e-mail list on their behalf. (What a guy!) Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" 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Subject: (utah-sailing) Re: FOGSL Mailing List Date: 11 Aug 1999 01:24:15 -0600 I am hearing a little interest over the suggested FOGSL E-Mail List. We are looking for comments from this group (Please address them to Utah-Sailing so the whole group can read your comments.) I was asked what the understanding between myself and Dave Oswald was regarding this E-Mail List. Here is a portion of each of our messages: I wrote: "I'm writing you about this idea -- call it a need if you like. I can't seem to get it out of my mind. I wrote Friends of Great Salt Lake about it about a year ago, when I first joined their group. I don't think they knew quite what I was talking about, or they didn't know what a great idea it was, or they just didn't have the know-how or the wherewithal to make it so. I'm talking about another E-Mail list like your very successful Utah-Sailing List, only this one would be subscribed to by those who consider themselves to be "Friends" of GSL whether they belong to the FOGSL or not (it would be hoped that in time their membership would increase in part from this user group). What do you think? Do you think you could start one? I know you had some connections with X-Mission in the first place. OR Perhaps you could contact the FOGSL and help them to start such an instrument. X-Mission currently donates their website to them, maybe they would like to extend that donation a little further. I envision members of FOGSL, GSLYC, Utah-Sailing, Audubon Society, and other concerned citizens becoming involved in this newsgroup type of format. It would be great to come online to not only find Utah-Sailing messages waiting for all of us, but news, alerts, and discussions about the Great Salt Lake ecosystem from another community at large. I would love to promote such a vehicle on my website too. I'm hoping you will say it is somehow possible. It could be a boon to the community." Dave wrote back: "We could do something like that. An emailing list takes almost no day-to-day effort, just some technical savvy is all. XMission let's its accountholders to run up to 4 emailing lists for free (well, for the cost of the account)... so it may be that the FOGSL already have that ability. Let's check into it. If Xmission will let them have a mailing list I will administer it for them if that would help. If Xmission wouldn't let them have one under their own account I can create one under my account. I'm only currently using one of my four free lists. Do you think it would have enough traffic? I always sort of thought that we got a lot of the FOGSL traffic on the utah-sailing list . . . Talk to the FOGSL people if you get a chance and tell them that Xmission normally lets its subscribers have up to four emailing lists at no additional charge. Tell them that I would be happy to administer it. It really takes no time at all aside from the occasional person asking to be added because they have trouble figuring out my authentication system. But even that only takes a minute here and there. The technical stuff isn't even all that tricky, but probably too much for someone who doesn't have any Unix experience, and who isn't familiar with telnet, majordomo, etc. Let me know what I can do. Again, I'd prefer if they did it under their own account, simply letting me administer it. I wouldn't need to know their password or anything. That's not necessary. All they have to do is email support@xmission.com and ask for a list to be created called gsl-friends@lists.xmission.com (or whatever they think would work well). Once it's created by xmission's staff, they should email me, and I'll take care of the rest. They should tell xmission's staff to set up the list such that administrative privileges and error bounces come to me. I might even be able to teach one of them how to handle it in the future. It sounds like a good idea." I hope this helps those of you who wanted to know more or those of you who have offered to help. I have not approached FOGSL yet, but wanted to "test the waters" so to speak from our own community, first. Someone other than myself might make a better spokesperson to approach them with this. We have seen the E-Mail List and know how it works, they have not, perhaps. Let's hear what you think. Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: (utah-sailing) Possible FOGSL mailing list. Date: 11 Aug 1999 01:54:39 -0600 I just wanted to mention a couple of things regarding the proposed Friends of the GSL emailing list:  * I would hope that such a list wouldn't be a cause for confusion. It seems that there would be a potential for messages that might be important to utah-sailing, actually getting posted to only FOGSL instead, and vice versa. Messages of interest to both groups could be cross-posted (ie, emailed to both lists) but then people subscribing to both would get what essentially amounts to duplicates. * Perhaps a well-defined charter for the FOGSL mailing list would clarify any doubt and help to define the nature of each list. ...of course I've always enjoyed the free-form feeling of utah-sailing. * My own understanding of "administering" a list is as follows: * Offer help and assistance in subscribing and unsubscribing. * Configure the software that runs the list such that the various options that people find useful are turned on, such that the proper list protections from spammers are in place, etc. * Not interfering with the ongoing discussion, at least not in an authoritative way. Of course I like participating, but for the most part it's a wild frontieer; I don't play like it's my own personal sandbox. * Delete out old expired email addresses. This is important since many people forget to unsubscribe when they cancel their accounts. The result is bounced messages every time someone posts. I have found that I need to keep a close watch on this or else things get out of whack pretty quickly. * Work with people who are having trouble posting, or who need to be able to post from multiple accounts while only receiving in one, etc. Find solutions to various needs. If anyone has any comments or suggestions for utah-sailing, I'd love to hear them. My reward for running the list is the satisfaction I get from seeing it successfully promoting sailing in the state, and friendships in the sport. If I can contribute in some way to also help the cause of maintaining the quality of our sailing-grounds I'm happy to do that too. Dave -- David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: (utah-sailing) The weather... Date: 11 Aug 1999 19:36:07 -0600 I contacted the Great Salt Lake south shore marina today to satisfy my curiosity. They reported that after walking all the docks they found no damage in the aftermath of the Salt Lake City tornado, and that weather monitors only clocked 10mph winds. Dave -- David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Jensen Subject: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:31:33 -0600 Hi my name is David Jensen. I am an old Hobie, NACRA, Olsen and semi Laser Sailor use to be very active in sailing in this area. I just bought a used Force 5 and would like to race with some local fleets especially some of the older guys, like Chuck Fields, Andy Shearer, Mark Jensen (my brother), Rick Bleyl, Mike Tuckett, Don Nichols, Aker Ivery, John Perry, Magelby, Prat Cole, etc. etc. What fleet can I(we) sail with? Lasers? What happened to Utah Sailing Association? Please feel free to contact me by my email address shown above. Great to find this webiste and mailing list. Thanks Dave Jensen * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Lee Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:33:24 -0600 I haven't heard some of those names for quite awhile! "Aker Ivery"?...do you mean Ivar Akre? If so...he sails a Catalina27 at Bear Lake now. Mac Magelby?...is he still aound? -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:32 AM Hi my name is David Jensen. I am an old Hobie, NACRA, Olsen and semi Laser Sailor use to be very active in sailing in this area. I just bought a used Force 5 and would like to race with some local fleets especially some of the older guys, like Chuck Fields, Andy Shearer, Mark Jensen (my brother), Rick Bleyl, Mike Tuckett, Don Nichols, Aker Ivery, John Perry, Magelby, Prat Cole, etc. etc. What fleet can I(we) sail with? Lasers? What happened to Utah Sailing Association? Please feel free to contact me by my email address shown above. Great to find this webiste and mailing list. Thanks Dave Jensen * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Jensen Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie Date: 12 Aug 1999 12:08:10 -0600 Laughing out loud LOL, oh, your right Ivar Akre, has been a while hasn't it. Yup, that is Ivar, up at Bear Lake, Yes Mac Magelby, he use to sail FD (Flying Dutchman), Laser and last time I saw him, windsurfers. Thanks for the message, who are you? Dave Jensen Justin Lee wrote: > I haven't heard some of those names for quite awhile! > "Aker Ivery"?...do you mean Ivar Akre? If so...he sails a Catalina27 at Bear > Lake now. > Mac Magelby?...is he still aound? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:32 AM > To: AddressSailingGroup > Subject: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > Hi my name is David Jensen. I am an old Hobie, NACRA, Olsen and semi > Laser Sailor use to be very active in sailing in this area. > > I just bought a used Force 5 and would like to race with some local > fleets especially some of the older guys, like Chuck Fields, Andy > Shearer, Mark Jensen (my brother), Rick Bleyl, Mike Tuckett, Don > Nichols, Aker Ivery, John Perry, Magelby, Prat Cole, etc. etc. > > What fleet can I(we) sail with? Lasers? What happened to Utah Sailing > Association? > > Please feel free to contact me by my email address shown above. > > Great to find this webiste and mailing list. Thanks Dave Jensen > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Lee Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie Date: 12 Aug 1999 12:21:21 -0600 I've been sailing in Utah for over 30 years! I grew up hanging out with the Utah Sailing Assoc. as my parents were members back in the late 60's & early 70's. You would be amazed at some of the pictures I have of FD's, Scows, etc. I have spent most of the last 20+yrs sailing at Bear Lake & occasionaly at GSL on bigger boats. I currently have a Catalina 27 (For Sale) and an Ericson 32. I don't sail much on smaller boats or Hobies...although Dave Shearer tried to kill me once on his Hobie 20 :) -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:08 PM Laughing out loud LOL, oh, your right Ivar Akre, has been a while hasn't it. Yup, that is Ivar, up at Bear Lake, Yes Mac Magelby, he use to sail FD (Flying Dutchman), Laser and last time I saw him, windsurfers. Thanks for the message, who are you? Dave Jensen Justin Lee wrote: > I haven't heard some of those names for quite awhile! > "Aker Ivery"?...do you mean Ivar Akre? If so...he sails a Catalina27 at Bear > Lake now. > Mac Magelby?...is he still aound? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:32 AM > To: AddressSailingGroup > Subject: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > Hi my name is David Jensen. I am an old Hobie, NACRA, Olsen and semi > Laser Sailor use to be very active in sailing in this area. > > I just bought a used Force 5 and would like to race with some local > fleets especially some of the older guys, like Chuck Fields, Andy > Shearer, Mark Jensen (my brother), Rick Bleyl, Mike Tuckett, Don > Nichols, Aker Ivery, John Perry, Magelby, Prat Cole, etc. etc. > > What fleet can I(we) sail with? Lasers? What happened to Utah Sailing > Association? > > Please feel free to contact me by my email address shown above. > > Great to find this webiste and mailing list. Thanks Dave Jensen > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Jensen Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie Date: 12 Aug 1999 12:38:27 -0600 Too funny: Wow, I would love to see those pictures. David Shearer use to kiss my Daughter Tiff, and both Mike and Dave Shearer would camp with Rose (my wife) and I to get away from Andy and Marilyn. Hahaha too funny. Wow, I sailed on an Erickson 32 once. Nice boat. I remember when Jerry Uhl had a nice Erickson, I sailed on that boat often. He kept it at the great Salt Lake. I had my Olson 30 at Bear Lake for a summer, was fun, but long drive. Plus I wasn't over thrilled with nothing or 30+ knot winds at Bear Lake. Gorgeous though, for sure. Who where your parents? What did they sail? I too vividly remember the Hobies, FD's, Scows and we had a pretty good bunch of kids in the Lasers. Lupos, Scott Nuttle, Harper Brothers, etc. What was really fun was the Sail Off. We would take top like three in each class at end of year and sail in different boats. I remember sailing, scows, lasers, all but FD's. FD's too tricky and treacherous lol. Yes I think Mac Magleby does still live here. I ran into him about 7 years ago at Deer Creek. He was sailing a wind surfer. Keep in touch, tell me more lol. Thanks Dave Jensen Justin Lee wrote: > I've been sailing in Utah for over 30 years! I grew up hanging out with the > Utah Sailing Assoc. as my parents were members back in the late 60's & early > 70's. You would be amazed at some of the pictures I have of FD's, Scows, > etc. I have spent most of the last 20+yrs sailing at Bear Lake & occasionaly > at GSL on bigger boats. I currently have a Catalina 27 (For Sale) and an > Ericson 32. I don't sail much on smaller boats or Hobies...although Dave > Shearer tried to kill me once on his Hobie 20 :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:08 PM > To: utah-sailing@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > Laughing out loud LOL, oh, your right Ivar Akre, has been a while hasn't it. > > Yup, that is Ivar, up at Bear Lake, Yes Mac Magelby, he use to sail FD > (Flying > Dutchman), Laser and last time I saw him, windsurfers. > > Thanks for the message, who are you? > > Dave Jensen > > Justin Lee wrote: > > > I haven't heard some of those names for quite awhile! > > "Aker Ivery"?...do you mean Ivar Akre? If so...he sails a Catalina27 at > Bear > > Lake now. > > Mac Magelby?...is he still aound? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:32 AM > > To: AddressSailingGroup > > Subject: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > > > Hi my name is David Jensen. I am an old Hobie, NACRA, Olsen and semi > > Laser Sailor use to be very active in sailing in this area. > > > > I just bought a used Force 5 and would like to race with some local > > fleets especially some of the older guys, like Chuck Fields, Andy > > Shearer, Mark Jensen (my brother), Rick Bleyl, Mike Tuckett, Don > > Nichols, Aker Ivery, John Perry, Magelby, Prat Cole, etc. etc. > > > > What fleet can I(we) sail with? Lasers? What happened to Utah Sailing > > Association? > > > > Please feel free to contact me by my email address shown above. > > > > Great to find this webiste and mailing list. Thanks Dave Jensen > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Lee Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie Date: 12 Aug 1999 12:44:51 -0600 My parents are Burr & Helen Lee. I think I remember you when you were at Bear Lake! We had a fleet of about 10 Olsen 30's up there for a couple of summers. I may have even been the race chair or on the commitee at the time, what was the name of your Olsen? -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:38 PM Too funny: Wow, I would love to see those pictures. David Shearer use to kiss my Daughter Tiff, and both Mike and Dave Shearer would camp with Rose (my wife) and I to get away from Andy and Marilyn. Hahaha too funny. Wow, I sailed on an Erickson 32 once. Nice boat. I remember when Jerry Uhl had a nice Erickson, I sailed on that boat often. He kept it at the great Salt Lake. I had my Olson 30 at Bear Lake for a summer, was fun, but long drive. Plus I wasn't over thrilled with nothing or 30+ knot winds at Bear Lake. Gorgeous though, for sure. Who where your parents? What did they sail? I too vividly remember the Hobies, FD's, Scows and we had a pretty good bunch of kids in the Lasers. Lupos, Scott Nuttle, Harper Brothers, etc. What was really fun was the Sail Off. We would take top like three in each class at end of year and sail in different boats. I remember sailing, scows, lasers, all but FD's. FD's too tricky and treacherous lol. Yes I think Mac Magleby does still live here. I ran into him about 7 years ago at Deer Creek. He was sailing a wind surfer. Keep in touch, tell me more lol. Thanks Dave Jensen Justin Lee wrote: > I've been sailing in Utah for over 30 years! I grew up hanging out with the > Utah Sailing Assoc. as my parents were members back in the late 60's & early > 70's. You would be amazed at some of the pictures I have of FD's, Scows, > etc. I have spent most of the last 20+yrs sailing at Bear Lake & occasionaly > at GSL on bigger boats. I currently have a Catalina 27 (For Sale) and an > Ericson 32. I don't sail much on smaller boats or Hobies...although Dave > Shearer tried to kill me once on his Hobie 20 :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:08 PM > To: utah-sailing@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > Laughing out loud LOL, oh, your right Ivar Akre, has been a while hasn't it. > > Yup, that is Ivar, up at Bear Lake, Yes Mac Magelby, he use to sail FD > (Flying > Dutchman), Laser and last time I saw him, windsurfers. > > Thanks for the message, who are you? > > Dave Jensen > > Justin Lee wrote: > > > I haven't heard some of those names for quite awhile! > > "Aker Ivery"?...do you mean Ivar Akre? If so...he sails a Catalina27 at > Bear > > Lake now. > > Mac Magelby?...is he still aound? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:32 AM > > To: AddressSailingGroup > > Subject: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > > > Hi my name is David Jensen. I am an old Hobie, NACRA, Olsen and semi > > Laser Sailor use to be very active in sailing in this area. > > > > I just bought a used Force 5 and would like to race with some local > > fleets especially some of the older guys, like Chuck Fields, Andy > > Shearer, Mark Jensen (my brother), Rick Bleyl, Mike Tuckett, Don > > Nichols, Aker Ivery, John Perry, Magelby, Prat Cole, etc. etc. > > > > What fleet can I(we) sail with? Lasers? What happened to Utah Sailing > > Association? > > > > Please feel free to contact me by my email address shown above. > > > > Great to find this webiste and mailing list. Thanks Dave Jensen > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Jensen Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie Date: 12 Aug 1999 12:53:07 -0600 Name was "PASSING WIND" MUAHAhahahahahahahaaaa Dave Jensen Justin Lee wrote: > My parents are Burr & Helen Lee. I think I remember you when you were at > Bear Lake! We had a fleet of about 10 Olsen 30's up there for a couple of > summers. I may have even been the race chair or on the commitee at the time, > what was the name of your Olsen? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:38 PM > To: utah-sailing@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > Too funny: Wow, I would love to see those pictures. David Shearer use to > kiss > my Daughter Tiff, and both Mike and Dave Shearer would camp with Rose (my > wife) > and I to get away from Andy and Marilyn. Hahaha too funny. > > Wow, I sailed on an Erickson 32 once. Nice boat. I remember when Jerry Uhl > had > a nice Erickson, I sailed on that boat often. He kept it at the great Salt > Lake. > > I had my Olson 30 at Bear Lake for a summer, was fun, but long drive. Plus > I > wasn't over thrilled with nothing or 30+ knot winds at Bear Lake. Gorgeous > though, for sure. > > Who where your parents? What did they sail? I too vividly remember the > Hobies, > FD's, Scows and we had a pretty good bunch of kids in the Lasers. Lupos, > Scott > Nuttle, Harper Brothers, etc. > > What was really fun was the Sail Off. We would take top like three in each > class at end of year and sail in different boats. I remember sailing, > scows, > lasers, all but FD's. FD's too tricky and treacherous lol. > > Yes I think Mac Magleby does still live here. I ran into him about 7 years > ago > at Deer Creek. He was sailing a wind surfer. > > Keep in touch, tell me more lol. > > Thanks Dave Jensen > > Justin Lee wrote: > > > I've been sailing in Utah for over 30 years! I grew up hanging out with > the > > Utah Sailing Assoc. as my parents were members back in the late 60's & > early > > 70's. You would be amazed at some of the pictures I have of FD's, Scows, > > etc. I have spent most of the last 20+yrs sailing at Bear Lake & > occasionaly > > at GSL on bigger boats. I currently have a Catalina 27 (For Sale) and an > > Ericson 32. I don't sail much on smaller boats or Hobies...although Dave > > Shearer tried to kill me once on his Hobie 20 :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:08 PM > > To: utah-sailing@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > > > Laughing out loud LOL, oh, your right Ivar Akre, has been a while hasn't > it. > > > > Yup, that is Ivar, up at Bear Lake, Yes Mac Magelby, he use to sail FD > > (Flying > > Dutchman), Laser and last time I saw him, windsurfers. > > > > Thanks for the message, who are you? > > > > Dave Jensen > > > > Justin Lee wrote: > > > > > I haven't heard some of those names for quite awhile! > > > "Aker Ivery"?...do you mean Ivar Akre? If so...he sails a Catalina27 at > > Bear > > > Lake now. > > > Mac Magelby?...is he still aound? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Jensen [mailto:sterling@uswest.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 11:32 AM > > > To: AddressSailingGroup > > > Subject: (utah-sailing) Oldie but Newie > > > > > > Hi my name is David Jensen. I am an old Hobie, NACRA, Olsen and semi > > > Laser Sailor use to be very active in sailing in this area. > > > > > > I just bought a used Force 5 and would like to race with some local > > > fleets especially some of the older guys, like Chuck Fields, Andy > > > Shearer, Mark Jensen (my brother), Rick Bleyl, Mike Tuckett, Don > > > Nichols, Aker Ivery, John Perry, Magelby, Prat Cole, etc. etc. > > > > > > What fleet can I(we) sail with? Lasers? What happened to Utah Sailing > > > Association? > > > > > > Please feel free to contact me by my email address shown above. > > > > > > Great to find this webiste and mailing list. Thanks Dave Jensen > > > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #8 Date: 14 Aug 1999 09:38:33 -0600 GSL continues to get attention in the news as the Planning Commission comes to fruition. One from the Deseret and one from the Tribune. And the beat goes on . . . http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110003030,00.html? http://www.sltrib.com:80/1999/aug/08141999/utah/15039.htm and here's one just for fun: GSL shows up in the strangest places sometimes. This one from Indiana: http://www.courierpress.com:80/cgi/view.cgi?199908/08+gmat_features.html Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News #9 Date: 15 Aug 1999 11:12:40 -0600 Cruise for New and Renewing members of Friends of Great Salt Lake. This is how we joined. We liked the idea of getting an all-day cruise in the bargain. First come first serve. Are there any sailors who would like to become members. Any newcomers to sailing or the Great Salt Lake? -- here's a great introduction to what it's like out there. 5 islands in 6 hours. Hosted by Captains Steve Ingram, Clint Baty, or Taylor Kip: http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110003536,00.html? Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bradsilve1@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News #9 Date: 15 Aug 1999 17:39:53 EDT In a message dated 99-08-15 13:17:37 EDT, you write: << http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110003536,00.html >> That sounds like a lot of fun and hopefully very informative. But, because I'm not a member of the Friends of the GSL, $45.00 per person is too rich for my blood, to go on a 6-hour cruise. But, maybe I will reconsider after you answer a few questions I have. How much does it cost to become a member of the Friends of the GSL? Does the extra $20.00 go toward helping the Friends of the GSL? What is on the Friends of the GSL's agenda for that night? Will there be any food and beverages? If so, are they included in that price? Looking forward to your response, Brad * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News #9 Date: 15 Aug 1999 22:25:48 -0600 I was just passing along a little information that showed up in the paper with a brief commentary. As I understand it, it costs approximately that much money to go on a Salt Island Cruise for 6 hours in the first place. Through their mutual support the FOGSL with a "special" made possible by Salt Island Cruises offers membership with this cruise for the price of the cruise more or less. Here's what it says in my FOGSL newsletter: "Information about the lake and the current resource management plan process will be available. Lunch: Bring a midday potluck meal and eating utensils. A cash bar is available for drinks or you can bring your own. Note a change for the potluck meal: Utah State Board of Health regulations requires any prepared food items served on the cruise be prepared by a licensed food handler. Therefore, all food dishes and food trays must come from delis, caterers, and food stores. Ready to serve packaged items and drinks are okay. Cost: 25 for FOGSL members (and others in household). $45 for non-members (this includes a one year membership in FOGSL) $15 for Seniors and children under 12 years old. Reservations: To reserve your space, send your check by September 6 to: Lake Cruise; Friends of Great Salt Lake; P.O. Box 26555; Salt Lake City, Ut 84110-2655. Reservations are on a first come first serve basis so sign up early. Be at the GSL St. Park Marina at 9:30, Sept. ll. Don't forget: binoculars, bird field guides, sun protection, eating utensils, and something for the potluck. For more information call FOGSL activities hotline: 583-5593 and leave a message for Kathlyn." In addition to that I can only say that I know that during the rest of the year they have the following available membership fees: Student (at least half time)= $10 Senior (62 or older) = $10 Regular Membership = $20 per person Family Membership = $30 You can check to see what the current Salt Island Cruise fee is for the 6 hour cruise Island Cruise. This doesn't include dinner served on board by their staff, but it still seems to cut a pretty good price to (I was going to say to kill two birds with one rock, but that's a bad metaphor in this case) get both. It was fun and relaxing and made a pretty good date while helping a good cause (preservation and advocacy for the GSL). I believe that the extra goes toward helping the FOGSL because it says in the newsletter "Sponsored in part by Salt Island Adventures." Once you are a member it seems that it is cheaper the following years for it is "$25 for members and others in their households." Well that's all I can tell you. I hope this helps you to make up your own mind. Friend, Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" Bradsilve1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-08-15 13:17:37 EDT, you write: > > << http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,110003536,00.html >> > > That sounds like a lot of fun and hopefully very informative. But, because > I'm not a member of the Friends of the GSL, $45.00 per person is too rich > for my blood, to go on a 6-hour cruise. But, maybe I will reconsider after > you answer a few questions I have. > > How much does it cost to become a member of the Friends of the GSL? > Does the extra $20.00 go toward helping the Friends of the GSL? > What is on the Friends of the GSL's agenda for that night? > Will there be any food and beverages? If so, are they included in that > price? > > Looking forward to your response, > > Brad > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News #9 Date: 16 Aug 1999 16:29:12 -0600 At , Sanford Meek wrote: >At 17:39 8/15/99 -0400, Bradsilve1@aol.com wrote: > >> >> How much does it cost to become a member of the Friends of the GSL? >> Does the extra $20.00 go toward helping the Friends of the GSL? >> What is on the Friends of the GSL's agenda for that night? >> Will there be any food and beverages? If so, are they included in that >>price? > >It costs $20 to join. You can essentially join and cruise for the $45 (that's >the idea). One person can join for $20 but 2 can then go for $25. > >Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lane leonard Subject: (utah-sailing) Catalina 30' Date: 20 Aug 1999 23:22:08 -0700 Hunting for any leads on a Catalina 30' at the SLC Marina. /thanks Lane * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Catalina 30' Date: 21 Aug 1999 01:05:26 -0600 lane leonard wrote: > > Hunting for any leads on a Catalina 30' at the SLC Marina. I helpd (well, watched) Dave Shearer wrap up a roller-fouling jib on one last night. Maybe the owner will be looking to sell it at a discount soon... -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Lee Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Catalina 30' Date: 23 Aug 1999 08:21:37 -0600 There is one for sale at Bear Lake! -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 12:22 AM Hunting for any leads on a Catalina 30' at the SLC Marina. /thanks Lane * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) Legacy Highway Rears Ugly Head Date: 23 Aug 1999 22:52:06 -0600 Epitaph already written: "Most didn't care." http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,115005018,00.html? Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) Yacht Club Nominations Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:57:54 EDT The Yacht Club is looking for a few good men and women to serve on the Board of Trustees! We have a few Board member openings in all areas of the YC; racing, cruising and social. If you know of anyone-even yourself, then please send their name (s) to me at: Tmartin316@aol.com. We want people with a serious interest in YC events and who can offer their services and ideas to help continue to make this a great club. Trustees must be YC members. Any questions??, please send them to me. Hey!, this is your club so help make it what you want it to be. And if you are not a member, then join and help make it what you want it to be! :) :) :) :) Thanks!! Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Lee Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Yacht Club Nominations Date: 24 Aug 1999 16:40:40 -0600 Which Yacht Club??? There are several in Utah! -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 3:58 PM The Yacht Club is looking for a few good men and women to serve on the Board of Trustees! We have a few Board member openings in all areas of the YC; racing, cruising and social. If you know of anyone-even yourself, then please send their name (s) to me at: Tmartin316@aol.com. We want people with a serious interest in YC events and who can offer their services and ideas to help continue to make this a great club. Trustees must be YC members. Any questions??, please send them to me. Hey!, this is your club so help make it what you want it to be. And if you are not a member, then join and help make it what you want it to be! :) :) :) :) Thanks!! Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Yacht Club Nominations Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:46:21 -0700 I'd like to recommend Pat Swagert for Brine Flyer editor. I'd also like to suggest Hank Boline for the race committee and to possibly help out with the junior programs. Pardon my spelling of the names..... Eugene Morgan . -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 3:58 PM The Yacht Club is looking for a few good men and women to serve on the Board of Trustees! We have a few Board member openings in all areas of the YC; racing, cruising and social. If you know of anyone-even yourself, then please send their name (s) to me at: Tmartin316@aol.com. We want people with a serious interest in YC events and who can offer their services and ideas to help continue to make this a great club. Trustees must be YC members. Any questions??, please send them to me. Hey!, this is your club so help make it what you want it to be. And if you are not a member, then join and help make it what you want it to be! :) :) :) :) Thanks!! Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Doubek Subject: (utah-sailing) GSLYC Portsmouth races? Date: 25 Aug 1999 09:59:27 -0600 Does anyone have any information on the Portsmouth races this week? The web page schedule says there are dinghy races tonight, and a Junior Regatta on Saturday. Will the Junior Regatta be a Laser race? I p-mailed Rich, but I don't know if he's in town this week. I would appreciate information, in case my life will allow me to drag a boat down this week. TIA, Paul Doubek * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Christian Subject: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:07:12 -0600 Hello, everyone. Just purchased a Catalina 22 with my partner, Dave, and we are going to be docking out at Antelope (hopefully). First question: Is there any special consideration when painting my keel, since it will be pretty much full time in the GSL? I was planning on using a Metal Prep before the paint... Anything else to keep in mind? Just joined the list, and am looking forward to learning quite a bit from you guys! Ken Christian * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Stout Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:56:00 -0600 Ken Christian wrote: > Just purchased a Catalina 22 First question: cut > . Anything else to keep in mind? cut I'm guessing its a swing keel version 22? If so check the lifting cable for the keel and replace it if it isn't perfect. May save you a lot of grief in the future -- Tom Stout tomstout@xmission.com Mirage 27 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bradsilve1@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSLYC Portsmouth races? Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:44:53 EDT Hi Paul, Yes, the juniors will be racing Lasers, Hobie Cat's and other small dinghies this weekend. I Hope to see ya there. If you would like a ride out onto the course, your more then welcome to come with us. Brad * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bradsilve1@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL's Posted Junior Regatta Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:00:50 EDT FYI, The Great Salt Lake Yacht Club Junior Regatta Free to all Skippers meet @ 0930 Hrs, Race starts @ 1100 Hrs •Sat. August 28 and Sun. August 29 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:06:12 -0600 Ken Christian wrote: > > Hello, everyone. Just purchased a Catalina 22 with my partner, Dave, > and we are going to be docking out at Antelope (hopefully). > > First question: Is there any special consideration when painting my > keel, since it will be pretty much full time in the GSL? You'll want a good anti-fouling paint, the algae is quite persistant. I've used Micron CSC in the past, and am trying West CPP this year. > I was planning on using a Metal Prep before the paint... Anything else > to keep in mind? Paint your bottom at the same time? You don't want that algae on the boat anymore than you want it on the keel. > Just joined the list, and am looking forward to learning quite a bit > from you guys! Good luck. Maybe I'll make it up to Antelope Island sometime in Sept or Oct. It's a bit of a slog in a J/22. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:46:47 -0700 A trailered boat, in my opinion, represents an interesting challenge when it come to bottom paints and my experience has been to not use it. Why: First, often trailered boats typically spend a fair amount of time out of the water and this can render some types of bottom paints ineffective. To reactive often takes some time with a bit of sandpaper or bronze wool. This is a question you need to ask the vendor or manufacturer about. The West Marine catalog refers to this as "Drying Max Before Launch." VC17 is listed as indefinite on this score. Second: If using an ablative or sloughing paint, which if you're like me and like to swim especially in fresh water, you often end up with the stuff all over yourself and your trailer. Ablatives and sloughing paint are also very susceptible to oxidation when left out of the water for even short periods, see point one above. BTW: VC17 and Baltaplate are not ablatives or sloughing paints. Third: I think that the fastest bottom is a clean, waxed and polished bottom and given that a trailered boat is typically a pretty easy proposition to take out of the water, I'd recommend a periodic good scrubbing with the nearest hose and if your really into it, a good coat of WAX and a polish job just for good measure. If you're thinking strongly about putting on a bottom paint then my personal preference is Baltaplate, although I have heard that VC17 is very fast, but can be a bit tricky to apply and is environmentally very unfriendly, I will defer to Dave Shearer on this point. Baltaplate on the other hand seems to go on easy and lasts very well. I'm on my third year with Baltaplate. If for some reason you left a boat with a Baltaplate covered bottom out of the water for a few weeks it would require some work to reactivate. Note: My spelling of Baltaplate may be off here, so anyone feel free to correct it. I'd suggest that you might refer to the west Marine Catalog on the subject they go into some of this and it might give you some other information. Note that Baltaplate is not legal in California and therefore is not listed in their catalog, at least I couldn't find it. My 2 cents worth. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 1:06 PM Ken Christian wrote: > > Hello, everyone. Just purchased a Catalina 22 with my partner, Dave, > and we are going to be docking out at Antelope (hopefully). > > First question: Is there any special consideration when painting my > keel, since it will be pretty much full time in the GSL? You'll want a good anti-fouling paint, the algae is quite persistant. I've used Micron CSC in the past, and am trying West CPP this year. > I was planning on using a Metal Prep before the paint... Anything else > to keep in mind? Paint your bottom at the same time? You don't want that algae on the boat anymore than you want it on the keel. > Just joined the list, and am looking forward to learning quite a bit > from you guys! Good luck. Maybe I'll make it up to Antelope Island sometime in Sept or Oct. It's a bit of a slog in a J/22. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Lee Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 15:03:03 -0600 Let me jump in here Gene, the correct spelling is "Baltoplate" and you will find it under the name "Interlux Regatta Baltoplate". We have been using it on boats at Bear Lake for 15+years now & it lasts several years. It used to come in Red & Blue but now I can only find it in the original Brown color. Once you finish applying it, you are supposed to sand it with 600 grit & then burnish it with Bronze wool. I don't think most people are doing that but if you do, you end up with a bottom that looks like the inside of a teflon pan. Each season you just need to re-burnish it & you're good to go again! -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:47 PM A trailered boat, in my opinion, represents an interesting challenge when it come to bottom paints and my experience has been to not use it. Why: First, often trailered boats typically spend a fair amount of time out of the water and this can render some types of bottom paints ineffective. To reactive often takes some time with a bit of sandpaper or bronze wool. This is a question you need to ask the vendor or manufacturer about. The West Marine catalog refers to this as "Drying Max Before Launch." VC17 is listed as indefinite on this score. Second: If using an ablative or sloughing paint, which if you're like me and like to swim especially in fresh water, you often end up with the stuff all over yourself and your trailer. Ablatives and sloughing paint are also very susceptible to oxidation when left out of the water for even short periods, see point one above. BTW: VC17 and Baltaplate are not ablatives or sloughing paints. Third: I think that the fastest bottom is a clean, waxed and polished bottom and given that a trailered boat is typically a pretty easy proposition to take out of the water, I'd recommend a periodic good scrubbing with the nearest hose and if your really into it, a good coat of WAX and a polish job just for good measure. If you're thinking strongly about putting on a bottom paint then my personal preference is Baltaplate, although I have heard that VC17 is very fast, but can be a bit tricky to apply and is environmentally very unfriendly, I will defer to Dave Shearer on this point. Baltaplate on the other hand seems to go on easy and lasts very well. I'm on my third year with Baltaplate. If for some reason you left a boat with a Baltaplate covered bottom out of the water for a few weeks it would require some work to reactivate. Note: My spelling of Baltaplate may be off here, so anyone feel free to correct it. I'd suggest that you might refer to the west Marine Catalog on the subject they go into some of this and it might give you some other information. Note that Baltaplate is not legal in California and therefore is not listed in their catalog, at least I couldn't find it. My 2 cents worth. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 1:06 PM Ken Christian wrote: > > Hello, everyone. Just purchased a Catalina 22 with my partner, Dave, > and we are going to be docking out at Antelope (hopefully). > > First question: Is there any special consideration when painting my > keel, since it will be pretty much full time in the GSL? You'll want a good anti-fouling paint, the algae is quite persistant. I've used Micron CSC in the past, and am trying West CPP this year. > I was planning on using a Metal Prep before the paint... Anything else > to keep in mind? Paint your bottom at the same time? You don't want that algae on the boat anymore than you want it on the keel. > Just joined the list, and am looking forward to learning quite a bit > from you guys! Good luck. Maybe I'll make it up to Antelope Island sometime in Sept or Oct. It's a bit of a slog in a J/22. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:13:34 -0700 See, I knew some would jump in and add more information. My wife and I know all about the sanding and burnishing. To this day she still claims her side is faster because she did a better job than me. And you know she might be right? ;-) Thanks Justin. As I recall Bear Lake was pretty hard on bottoms when it comes to growth, perhaps more so than GSL. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:03 PM Let me jump in here Gene, the correct spelling is "Baltoplate" and you will find it under the name "Interlux Regatta Baltoplate". We have been using it on boats at Bear Lake for 15+years now & it lasts several years. It used to come in Red & Blue but now I can only find it in the original Brown color. Once you finish applying it, you are supposed to sand it with 600 grit & then burnish it with Bronze wool. I don't think most people are doing that but if you do, you end up with a bottom that looks like the inside of a teflon pan. Each season you just need to re-burnish it & you're good to go again! -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:47 PM A trailered boat, in my opinion, represents an interesting challenge when it come to bottom paints and my experience has been to not use it. Why: First, often trailered boats typically spend a fair amount of time out of the water and this can render some types of bottom paints ineffective. To reactive often takes some time with a bit of sandpaper or bronze wool. This is a question you need to ask the vendor or manufacturer about. The West Marine catalog refers to this as "Drying Max Before Launch." VC17 is listed as indefinite on this score. Second: If using an ablative or sloughing paint, which if you're like me and like to swim especially in fresh water, you often end up with the stuff all over yourself and your trailer. Ablatives and sloughing paint are also very susceptible to oxidation when left out of the water for even short periods, see point one above. BTW: VC17 and Baltaplate are not ablatives or sloughing paints. Third: I think that the fastest bottom is a clean, waxed and polished bottom and given that a trailered boat is typically a pretty easy proposition to take out of the water, I'd recommend a periodic good scrubbing with the nearest hose and if your really into it, a good coat of WAX and a polish job just for good measure. If you're thinking strongly about putting on a bottom paint then my personal preference is Baltaplate, although I have heard that VC17 is very fast, but can be a bit tricky to apply and is environmentally very unfriendly, I will defer to Dave Shearer on this point. Baltaplate on the other hand seems to go on easy and lasts very well. I'm on my third year with Baltaplate. If for some reason you left a boat with a Baltaplate covered bottom out of the water for a few weeks it would require some work to reactivate. Note: My spelling of Baltaplate may be off here, so anyone feel free to correct it. I'd suggest that you might refer to the west Marine Catalog on the subject they go into some of this and it might give you some other information. Note that Baltaplate is not legal in California and therefore is not listed in their catalog, at least I couldn't find it. My 2 cents worth. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 1:06 PM Ken Christian wrote: > > Hello, everyone. Just purchased a Catalina 22 with my partner, Dave, > and we are going to be docking out at Antelope (hopefully). > > First question: Is there any special consideration when painting my > keel, since it will be pretty much full time in the GSL? You'll want a good anti-fouling paint, the algae is quite persistant. I've used Micron CSC in the past, and am trying West CPP this year. > I was planning on using a Metal Prep before the paint... Anything else > to keep in mind? Paint your bottom at the same time? You don't want that algae on the boat anymore than you want it on the keel. > Just joined the list, and am looking forward to learning quite a bit > from you guys! Good luck. Maybe I'll make it up to Antelope Island sometime in Sept or Oct. It's a bit of a slog in a J/22. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Lee Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 15:31:27 -0600 I remember years ago pulling our Cat22 out of Bear Lake & having to use plastic spatula's to scrape the 3ft long algae strings off the boat! Haven't seen that for awhile though? Don't really know why as there are some boats up there that don't use bottom paint? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:14 PM See, I knew some would jump in and add more information. My wife and I know all about the sanding and burnishing. To this day she still claims her side is faster because she did a better job than me. And you know she might be right? ;-) Thanks Justin. As I recall Bear Lake was pretty hard on bottoms when it comes to growth, perhaps more so than GSL. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:03 PM Let me jump in here Gene, the correct spelling is "Baltoplate" and you will find it under the name "Interlux Regatta Baltoplate". We have been using it on boats at Bear Lake for 15+years now & it lasts several years. It used to come in Red & Blue but now I can only find it in the original Brown color. Once you finish applying it, you are supposed to sand it with 600 grit & then burnish it with Bronze wool. I don't think most people are doing that but if you do, you end up with a bottom that looks like the inside of a teflon pan. Each season you just need to re-burnish it & you're good to go again! -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:47 PM A trailered boat, in my opinion, represents an interesting challenge when it come to bottom paints and my experience has been to not use it. Why: First, often trailered boats typically spend a fair amount of time out of the water and this can render some types of bottom paints ineffective. To reactive often takes some time with a bit of sandpaper or bronze wool. This is a question you need to ask the vendor or manufacturer about. The West Marine catalog refers to this as "Drying Max Before Launch." VC17 is listed as indefinite on this score. Second: If using an ablative or sloughing paint, which if you're like me and like to swim especially in fresh water, you often end up with the stuff all over yourself and your trailer. Ablatives and sloughing paint are also very susceptible to oxidation when left out of the water for even short periods, see point one above. BTW: VC17 and Baltaplate are not ablatives or sloughing paints. Third: I think that the fastest bottom is a clean, waxed and polished bottom and given that a trailered boat is typically a pretty easy proposition to take out of the water, I'd recommend a periodic good scrubbing with the nearest hose and if your really into it, a good coat of WAX and a polish job just for good measure. If you're thinking strongly about putting on a bottom paint then my personal preference is Baltaplate, although I have heard that VC17 is very fast, but can be a bit tricky to apply and is environmentally very unfriendly, I will defer to Dave Shearer on this point. Baltaplate on the other hand seems to go on easy and lasts very well. I'm on my third year with Baltaplate. If for some reason you left a boat with a Baltaplate covered bottom out of the water for a few weeks it would require some work to reactivate. Note: My spelling of Baltaplate may be off here, so anyone feel free to correct it. I'd suggest that you might refer to the west Marine Catalog on the subject they go into some of this and it might give you some other information. Note that Baltaplate is not legal in California and therefore is not listed in their catalog, at least I couldn't find it. My 2 cents worth. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 1:06 PM Ken Christian wrote: > > Hello, everyone. Just purchased a Catalina 22 with my partner, Dave, > and we are going to be docking out at Antelope (hopefully). > > First question: Is there any special consideration when painting my > keel, since it will be pretty much full time in the GSL? You'll want a good anti-fouling paint, the algae is quite persistant. I've used Micron CSC in the past, and am trying West CPP this year. > I was planning on using a Metal Prep before the paint... Anything else > to keep in mind? Paint your bottom at the same time? You don't want that algae on the boat anymore than you want it on the keel. > Just joined the list, and am looking forward to learning quite a bit > from you guys! Good luck. Maybe I'll make it up to Antelope Island sometime in Sept or Oct. It's a bit of a slog in a J/22. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Quigley, Chris" Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 16:39:03 -0500 I had Baltoplate put on the bottom of my Ranger 23 by the previous owner 3 years ago. It hasn't been out of the water since (GSL marina). Does anyone know how long this coating generally lasts before it needs attention? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:14 PM See, I knew some would jump in and add more information. My wife and I know all about the sanding and burnishing. To this day she still claims her side is faster because she did a better job than me. And you know she might be right? ;-) Thanks Justin. As I recall Bear Lake was pretty hard on bottoms when it comes to growth, perhaps more so than GSL. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:03 PM Let me jump in here Gene, the correct spelling is "Baltoplate" and you will find it under the name "Interlux Regatta Baltoplate". We have been using it on boats at Bear Lake for 15+years now & it lasts several years. It used to come in Red & Blue but now I can only find it in the original Brown color. Once you finish applying it, you are supposed to sand it with 600 grit & then burnish it with Bronze wool. I don't think most people are doing that but if you do, you end up with a bottom that looks like the inside of a teflon pan. Each season you just need to re-burnish it & you're good to go again! -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 2:47 PM A trailered boat, in my opinion, represents an interesting challenge when it come to bottom paints and my experience has been to not use it. Why: First, often trailered boats typically spend a fair amount of time out of the water and this can render some types of bottom paints ineffective. To reactive often takes some time with a bit of sandpaper or bronze wool. This is a question you need to ask the vendor or manufacturer about. The West Marine catalog refers to this as "Drying Max Before Launch." VC17 is listed as indefinite on this score. Second: If using an ablative or sloughing paint, which if you're like me and like to swim especially in fresh water, you often end up with the stuff all over yourself and your trailer. Ablatives and sloughing paint are also very susceptible to oxidation when left out of the water for even short periods, see point one above. BTW: VC17 and Baltaplate are not ablatives or sloughing paints. Third: I think that the fastest bottom is a clean, waxed and polished bottom and given that a trailered boat is typically a pretty easy proposition to take out of the water, I'd recommend a periodic good scrubbing with the nearest hose and if your really into it, a good coat of WAX and a polish job just for good measure. If you're thinking strongly about putting on a bottom paint then my personal preference is Baltaplate, although I have heard that VC17 is very fast, but can be a bit tricky to apply and is environmentally very unfriendly, I will defer to Dave Shearer on this point. Baltaplate on the other hand seems to go on easy and lasts very well. I'm on my third year with Baltaplate. If for some reason you left a boat with a Baltaplate covered bottom out of the water for a few weeks it would require some work to reactivate. Note: My spelling of Baltaplate may be off here, so anyone feel free to correct it. I'd suggest that you might refer to the west Marine Catalog on the subject they go into some of this and it might give you some other information. Note that Baltaplate is not legal in California and therefore is not listed in their catalog, at least I couldn't find it. My 2 cents worth. Eugene Morgan -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 1:06 PM Ken Christian wrote: > > Hello, everyone. Just purchased a Catalina 22 with my partner, Dave, > and we are going to be docking out at Antelope (hopefully). > > First question: Is there any special consideration when painting my > keel, since it will be pretty much full time in the GSL? You'll want a good anti-fouling paint, the algae is quite persistant. I've used Micron CSC in the past, and am trying West CPP this year. > I was planning on using a Metal Prep before the paint... Anything else > to keep in mind? Paint your bottom at the same time? You don't want that algae on the boat anymore than you want it on the keel. > Just joined the list, and am looking forward to learning quite a bit > from you guys! Good luck. Maybe I'll make it up to Antelope Island sometime in Sept or Oct. It's a bit of a slog in a J/22. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert McClane Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:08:48 -0600 Eugene Morgan wrote: >A trailered boat, in my opinion, represents an interesting challenge when it >come to bottom paints and my experience has been to not use it. > I agree. I have a 10 year old C22 which has never had bottom paint on it. It typically stays at the GSL marina from ~April to November. All that is required is a good scrub at the end of the season. When I try to make it go faster (which never really works for me), I use a brush at the dock to de-slime the bottom. This boat maintenance technique, while rooted in pure laziness, seems to work well on the lake. Robert W. McClane Dixon Laser Institute Dept. of Physics University of Utah r.mcclane@m.cc.utah.edu 801-581-7001 Phone 801-585-3098 FAX * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Yacht Club Nominations Date: 25 Aug 1999 23:16:38 EDT I sort of forgot to mention which yacht club. Nominations would be for the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club. Sorry I didn't make myself clear. Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Yacht Club Nominations Date: 25 Aug 1999 22:22:14 -0600 Damn! I can't tell you how flattered I am. But I'm still working on my novice credentials (up late at night hitting the books, if I'm lucky I'll be a full fledged beginner in a year or two, surely I haven't fooled anyone about this). Why would Eugene give up the wonderful job he is doing? You have really made your mark with the "Brine Flyer." I would hope you would seriously reconsider if you were thinking of stepping down. You're the best. I have just gone back to teaching and between my day job and my night job (Delta Center) I hardly find time for my calling: sailing. I am planning to devote more time to my web page with what time I have left (after David Letterman sometime). What I'm trying to say is I'm not your man. But . . . "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for, anyway?" Pat Swigart "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 Eugene Morgan wrote: > I'd like to recommend Pat Swagert for Brine Flyer editor. I'd also like to > suggest Hank Boline for the race committee and to possibly help out with the > junior programs. > > Pardon my spelling of the names..... > > Eugene Morgan > . > > -----Original Message----- > From: TMartin316@aol.com [mailto:TMartin316@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 3:58 PM > To: utah-sailing@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (utah-sailing) Yacht Club Nominations > > The Yacht Club is looking for a few good men and women to serve on the Board > > of Trustees! > We have a few Board member openings in all areas of the YC; racing, cruising > > and social. If you know of anyone-even yourself, then please send their > name > (s) to me at: Tmartin316@aol.com. > We want people with a serious interest in YC events and who can offer their > services and ideas to help continue to make this a great club. Trustees > must > be YC members. Any questions??, please send them to me. > > Hey!, this is your club so help make it what you want it to be. And if you > are not a member, then join and help make it what you want it to be! :) :) > > :) :) > > Thanks!! Terry > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 26 Aug 1999 10:12:07 -0600 Robert McClane wrote: > > This boat maintenance technique, while rooted in pure laziness, seems to > work well on the lake. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretha" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) New to List/Keel Paint for GSL Date: 26 Aug 1999 15:33:49 -0600 Welcome to the list If you want to seal your keel I would suggest to grind off all the rust and then apply interlux barrier coat weather you paint your bottom or not I know Dave has it in stock at Sidssports. Also check your keel pin and cable. Just my 2 cents worth Gretha * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Christian Subject: (utah-sailing) Thanks for all the help! Date: 26 Aug 1999 16:04:37 -0600 Thanks to all on the answers to my question. We have removed the keel (with the help of a forklift) and are going to begin the process of cleaning her up and getting her back together again. Another question: For the re-install of the keel, we were thinking of rigging some straps to the ceiling and cranking her off the trailer. Any problems with that? We were going to just head off to Home Depot and get a couple of strap kits. The storage facility has steel beams, so we were just going to crank her up. Is there a better way to get the keel back on? Ken Christian -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 2:34 PM Welcome to the list If you want to seal your keel I would suggest to grind off all the rust and then apply interlux barrier coat weather you paint your bottom or not I know Dave has it in stock at Sidssports. Also check your keel pin and cable. Just my 2 cents worth Gretha * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Stout Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Thanks for all the help! Date: 26 Aug 1999 16:41:17 -0600 Ken Christian wrote: cut/ > Another question: For the re-install of the keel, we were thinking of > rigging some straps to the ceiling and cranking her off the trailer. > Any problems with that? We were going to just head off to Home Depot > and get a couple of strap kits. cut/ Remember the boat keel is about 500 pounds and the boat with keel weights in at about 2300 pounds. When I built boats at Inter mountain Sailboats we used 3 inch straps with a spreader bar to move the boats around (Ranger 20 at 1500 pounds). I don't think I would trust anything at Home Depot with that kind of weight over my head. Maybe rent some straps or go to one of the local boat yards that have a hoist. Tom Stout tomstout@xmission.com Mirage 27 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert McClane Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Thanks for all the help! Date: 26 Aug 1999 16:56:57 -0600 >Ken Christian wrote: >cut/ > >> Another question: For the re-install of the keel, we were thinking of >> rigging some straps to the ceiling and cranking her off the trailer. >> Any problems with that? We were going to just head off to Home Depot >> and get a couple of strap kits. > >cut/ > >Remember the boat keel is about 500 pounds and the boat with keel weights >in at >about 2300 pounds. When I built boats at Inter mountain Sailboats we used 3 >inch straps with a spreader bar to move the boats around (Ranger 20 at 1500 >pounds). I don't think I would trust anything at Home Depot with that kind of >weight over my head. Maybe rent some straps or go to one of the local boat >yards that have a hoist. > >Tom Stout > > Try some of the heavy duty tow straps - the kind you use to pull your 4X4 out of the mud. They are plenty strong and not too expensive. Make sure your life insurance is paid up too. Robert W. McClane Dixon Laser Institute Dept. of Physics University of Utah r.mcclane@m.cc.utah.edu 801-581-7001 Phone 801-585-3098 FAX * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL NEWS: Bike Trail Date: 30 Aug 1999 07:19:37 -0600 IMHO: Sailors who are always adding another dimension of enjoying the Great Salt Lake and its hinterlands might like to know about this trail. I find seeing the lake from the wetlands puts me in touch with what the lake is as a whole system. Here's an article from the Deseret News that can put you and your family in those not often seen areas on those perfect September days. How could anyone consider superhighway here, you will wonder? Enjoy the real legacy that is already yours: http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/1,1249,115005649,00.html? Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alyxandra K. MacLeod" Subject: (utah-sailing) Rigging a Cat22 for Spinnaker Date: 30 Aug 1999 09:45:39 -0600 Advice needed. :) I'm thinking of purchasing a Catalina 22 which seems to need a bit of work and doesn't have a spinnaker. I'd like to rig it for a spinnaker but don't know how much that would cost me. Anyone who could give me a ballpark figure would be a help. Thanks, Cynthia -- Elsinore Lucilla Aurelius Smooth Blue Collie LucyBlue@Softhome.net http://www.angelfire.com/pq/LucyBlue http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/4637 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Trim Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Rigging a Cat22 for Spinnaker Date: 30 Aug 1999 10:30:23 -0600 To rig a C22 for a spinnaker will take the same basic stuff almost any boat takes and most if it does not come stock on the boat... :-( You'll need... spinnaker poll aprox $175 Halyard and block 100.00 Sheets and deck blocks $250.00 Poll track and car $200.00 Sail... $250 to the full limit of your Visa. If you go asemetrical (sp?) then you can get by without a poll but you will need a dousing sock (trust me on this) and that's about $150.00 Most C22 owners do not use a chute, just the class legal 150 and a wisker poll. If you are going to race, there are two classes for the C22, with and without the spinniker. I've driven past many a chute, downwind, with just my 160. Also which keel do you have? Fin and swing keels are faster and more stable with a chute than the wing keel. Hope this helps. Bob 'Trimster' C22 #7790 Robert Trim Dir., Media Production Services Salt Lake Community College * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gary Topping Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Rigging a Cat22 for Spinnaker Date: 30 Aug 1999 12:54:03 -0600 I agree with Robert Trim that Catalina 22s go downwind nicely sailing wing-and-wing with a whisker pole and a 150 genoa. But I also like to use my symmetrical spinnaker on mine (a 1973 swing keel). My boat came with the spinnaker but no rigging for it, and being on a pretty tight budget, I've had to improvise rigging that works--after a fashion--without being ideal. My system is cumbersome and wouldn't work for racing where one needs to be able to change headsails quickly. And since it involves using an inexpensive whisker pole as a substitute for an expensive spinnaker pole, I can't recommend it for use in a really strong wind. But it has enabled me to fly that chute in most circumstances in which I've sailed on the GSL, and it is a way for someone on a limited budget to work their way up gradually to a really adequate spinnaker rig. For one thing, I don't have a separate spinnaker halyard, so I just use the genoa halyard. Of course this necessitates a trip forward to change sails. At first I even used the genoa sheets, attaching them to the clew of the genoa with separate snap shackles which I could then change to the spinnaker, but that was SO cumbersome that I eventually installed separate spinnaker sheets. My boat has the old 15/16" genoa tracks, but Foredeck carries blocks that fit them, and I installed one on each side at the far aft end of the tracks for the spinnaker sheets. The "bridle" I use for the whisker pole is just a length of light line rigged from the outboard end of the pole through a small block at the base of the mast and secured to a cleat on the mast itself (much better would be a cleat within reach of the cockpit). The pole is light enough that I don't have to worry about holding the end up--only holding it down when the breeze comes up. If you're not going to race, and you are cautious about using this rig when the wind really pipes up, this is one inexpensive way to enjoy the thrill of spinnaker sailing. Gary Topping * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Rigging a Cat22 for Spinnaker Date: 30 Aug 1999 13:55:03 -0600 Cynthia, Catalina used to have complete spinnaker handling packages (w/ or w/o spinnaker) available for sale. It included everything necessary for the installation: pole w/ bridle, blocks, track, car, control lines, cleats, sheets and shackles. The package was MUCH cheaper than the cost of individual parts. Check with SidSports (486-9424) or directly with Catalina (818-884-7700) to see if they still offer them. I bought packages for my C-25 and C-30, but that was many years ago and they might not offer them now. Bryant Pratt "Narragansett" C-30 #5755 Great Salt Lake, Utah * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert McClane Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Rigging a Cat22 for Spinnaker Date: 30 Aug 1999 14:50:09 -0600 Cynthia - I can't supply spinnaker info for a C-22, but if you are interested in other down wind options, see the crew of Blue Moon a few slips down from you (#C32). We are very happy with a 1.5 Oz. 180% drifter and whisker pole. It has a free luff and just uses the normal halyard. The only change in set-up is adding a block off each stern cleat for the sheets. We use the pole going wing and wing down wind, or without the pole the sail will work well in a light breeze much closer to the wind. It really has a wide range of light air uses. > >I'm thinking of purchasing a Catalina 22 which seems to need a bit of >work and doesn't have a spinnaker. I'd like to rig it for a spinnaker >but don't know how much that would cost me. Anyone who could give me a >ballpark figure would be a help. > >Thanks, Cynthia > Robert W. McClane Dixon Laser Institute Dept. of Physics University of Utah r.mcclane@m.cc.utah.edu 801-581-7001 Phone 801-585-3098 FAX * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Trim Subject: (utah-sailing) C22 owners...CDI furler for sale Date: 30 Aug 1999 17:02:23 -0600 New, in the box(s). I'll install. No, I'm not a dealer or reseller. I need to video tape the installation of the furler and struck a deal with the distributor for one unit. Please call me or Email off the list. Thanks. Bob 'Trimster' C22 #7790 801-957-4587 (w) 261-1587 (h) * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: (utah-sailing) Urgent: Motor Mount Bracket Date: 30 Aug 1999 23:31:54 -0600 Since my previous visit to the marina it seems I must have been rammed astern or something. My motor bracket/adjustable lift for my Honda 7.5 4-stroke has been cratered. Several of its 10 bushings are broken. The return spring rod is totally bent out, and both bottom stainless steel pivot shafts (bottom tube assembly) are deeply bent, and the bolts are bent and partially sheared. I have been to the fabricators and they won't touch it. It looks as if I will have to come up with a complete replacement. It is probably standard for Catalina 25s from 1984 but I'm not certain of this. I would like an equivalent. From what I can tell the vertical lift for my Honda (short shaft) was about 15 inches and I would like to get one that fits the existing holes in the transom. I was hoping to attend the GSLYC cruise this Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday but everything is on hold now -- would like to still attend with my family if possible. Any helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Pat Swigart and family. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alyxandra K. MacLeod" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Rigging a Cat22 for Spinnaker Date: 31 Aug 1999 07:56:21 -0600 Thanks for everyone's help, I'm getting a better idea of how much this boat'll cost me if I decide to get it. Gretha... would you please email me directly? I have a question for you. Thanks! Cynthia -- Elsinore Lucilla Aurelius Smooth Blue Collie LucyBlue@Softhome.net http://www.angelfire.com/pq/LucyBlue http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/4637 "I feel it like a sickness how this love is killing me, but I'd walk into the fingers of your fire willingly." Indigo Girls - Ghost "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you. " Jean-Paul Sartre * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Urgent: Motor Mount Bracket Date: 31 Aug 1999 10:49:48 -0600 At 23:31 8/30/99 -0600, Pat S. wrote: >astern or something. My motor bracket/adjustable lift for my Honda 7.5 >4-stroke has been cratered. Several of its 10 bushings are broken. The >return spring rod is totally bent out, and both bottom stainless steel >pivot shafts (bottom tube assembly) are deeply bent, and the bolts are >bent and partially sheared. I have been to the fabricators and they >won't touch it. It looks as if I will have to come up with a complete >replacement. Check with Sid's Sport and then West Marine. You say fabricators won't touch it, but I'd be glad to look at it. I have access to a full machine shop. It wouldn't be soon, though. This weekend, we're heading south (if we can get out of the valley) to stay on our land in S. Utah. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pat S." Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Urgent: Motor Mount Bracket Date: 31 Aug 1999 18:23:00 -0600 Thanks for the offered help, suggestions, and sympathies. Here's another question: What kind of sealant do I use between the bracket mount and around the 4 bolts through the transom? Would silicon gel suffice, or what? Thank you all in advance. Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" "Taciturn," 1984 Catalina 25, # 4333, I Dock, Slip 13 mailto:taciturn@earthlink.net THE GREAT SALT Sailing and The Great Salt Lake Utah's Inland Sea http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 "Pat S." wrote: > Since my previous visit to the marina it seems I must have been rammed > astern or something. My motor bracket/adjustable lift for my Honda 7.5 > 4-stroke has been cratered. Several of its 10 bushings are broken. The > return spring rod is totally bent out, and both bottom stainless steel > pivot shafts (bottom tube assembly) are deeply bent, and the bolts are > bent and partially sheared. I have been to the fabricators and they > won't touch it. It looks as if I will have to come up with a complete > replacement. It is probably standard for Catalina 25s from 1984 but I'm > not certain of this. I would like an equivalent. From what I can tell > the vertical lift for my Honda (short shaft) was about 15 inches and I > would like to get one that fits the existing holes in the transom. I > was hoping to attend the GSLYC cruise this Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and > Monday but everything is on hold now -- would like to still attend with > my family if possible. Any helpful suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. > Pat Swigart and family. > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes).