From: Ray Tostado Subject: (utah-sailing) Redundency Date: 02 Jan 2000 07:07:07 -0800 Y2K Backup System While we believe we will be fully Y2K compliant by January 1, 2000, and most of our subsidiary units and contractors claim they will also be fully compliant, we obviously need to make some preparations in case unexpected challenges impair our ability to meet the needs of our customers. Enclosed with this memo is a "Y2K Backup System" device designed to meet short time emergency needs in case of a computer operations failure, or operational delay. This device is the company's Primary Emergency Network Computer Interface Liaison device (P.E.N.C.I.L.). This device has been field tested extensively, including certification testing, as well as volume and stress testing. Properly maintained, the device meets all the requirements for coding and data input. Prior to use, the P.E.N.C.I.L. will require preparation and testing. Tools and supplies required will be: A sharpened knife or grinding device; and a supply of computer paper (with or without holes). Gripping the device firmly in your hand, proceed to scrape or grind the wooded end until it has a cone-like appearance. The dark core area must be exposed to properly function. Place a single sheet of computer paper on a smooth, hard surface. Take the backup device, place the sharpened point against the paper, and pull it across the paper. If properly done, this will input a single line. CAUTION: Excessive force may damage components of the device or damage the data reception device. If either the P.E.N.C.I.L. or the paper are damaged, go back to the preparation instructions above. Proper use of the device will require data simulation input by the operator. Place the device against the computer page and form symbols as closely resembling the computer lettering system you normally use. At the completion of each of the simulated letters, lift the device off the page, move it slightly to the right, replace it against the page, and form the next symbol. This may appear tedious, and somewhat redundant, but, with practice, you should be able to increase your speed and accuracy. The P.E.N.C.I.L. is equipped with a manual deletion device. The device is located on the reverse end of the P.E.N.C.I.L. Error deletions operate similarly to the "backspace" key on your computer. Simply place the device against the erroneous data, and pull it backwards over the letters. This should remove the error, and enable you to resume data entries. CAUTION: Excessive force may damage the data reception device. Insufficient force, however, may result in less than acceptable deletion, and may require re-initialization of action as above. This device is designed with user maintenance in mind. However, if technical support is required, you can still call your local computer desk supervisor at (800)-YOU-GOOBER. Office memo: regarding P.E.N.C.I.L.E. back up contingency Some few months ago I came across an article in which the author demonstrated that the P.E.N.C.I.L.E. back-up system was flawed. As in so many cases where the fate of mankind is at stake, certain tests were not conducted in a totally unbiased scenario. It became evident that the P.E.N.C.I.L.E. system was demonstrating repeated communication failures during low light and night time applications, and that the common medium of P.A.P.E.R. had been grossly misrepresented and over rated. From this study it became apparent that a more strongly reliable device would be required. A concerned group of world-class scientists conferred for over 10 days and issued a mission statement that put forth the need for such a system to override the deficiencies of P.E.N.C.I.L.E.. The project would require an intergrated matrix of medium and applications technology. Basic source systems were stated as being: C.H.I.S.E.L. using the OS of H.A.M.M.E.R. and long lived medium of S.T.O.N.E. This comm. sys. app. exe. is to be expressed as W.H.A.C... World Hammer Applications Consortium. An IPO is scheduled for 1-6-2000. There is no question as to this system being superior to the P.E.N.C.I.L.E proposal. The most obvious benefit is it's readability during low light and darkness. However, it is recommended that app.exe. be avoid during those time frames to avoid contact between the apps. OS device and the applicator. Man shall prevail not by his wisdom, but by his wit. God gave man laughter, not to entertain, but to test his loyalty. Anyone want to buy 500 gallons of water? A 5kw generator; fifty gallons of gasoline; how about 2 cases of spam? Also, one gross dozen of vasolined eggs. I'm keeping the ammo. Cheers, Ray and Rocky from So Cal. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sid Subject: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 13:07:47 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_V601Vd/1k7aOrd+T8x/vtQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey everybody. It's Me, Dave Shearer. Made it through the surgery just fine. Thank you all for your wishes and concern. I had a friend of mine in the store today. He used to own one of the = brine shrimp companies out on the lake (just sold out this year). Anyway, he had first hand information on = the flipped shrimp boat out on the lake. It is a true story (he has pictures of the boat) and happend about two = weeks ago. The story related by Pau Doubek is pretty accurate about the incident. The boat was top heavy and would lean = outward rather than inward whenever it turned (not a good indication of stability). On this particular day the boat was on the north end of the causway = shrimping along the east shore in a place called Indian Cove. The boat = is stationed out of Little Harbour just north of the causway on = Promontory Point. They were loaded down with 14,000 pounds of eggs and = were operating in 4 foot seas when the boat just rolled over. apparenty = the boat had trouble and became sideways to the waves. After waiting for awhile for help, the captain swam about a half hour to = shore in 38 degree water. (Lucky to be alive). As far as coyotes = dogging him all the way to camp this has not been confirmed. As Paul = Doubek related, the other two crew members were saved by the support = boat some time later. The boat is no longer in Indian Cove. It was salvaged by the brine = shrimp company. Invay (not sure of the spelling) is the operating = company. This is a dutch company that has been buying up many of the = smaller companies on the lake. They were able to right the boat and = refloat it. Most everything above deck had been sheared off including = the pilot house and modifications. My understanding is that this stuff = is still in Indian Cove along with the 14,000 pounds of brine shrimp = eggs that were lost. I know the general location if anyone is = interested in checking out the remaining wreckage. The story related to me is that this particular boat had been slowly = modified for the past several years by a succession of owners and = appeared unstable to other observers who watched the boat maneauver. = Now add dense water causing the boat to float higher than designed, = changing the center of gravity with a flying bridge, adding dense waves = hitting the boat, and a heavy load of shrimp eggs. This accident was = bound to happen. By the way, has anyone paid attention to some of these boats the duck = hunters are using out on the lake. They obviously don't know what this = lake can do if a storm or even 20 knot winds kick up. These boats have = no freeboard and would rapidly sink in conditions that would just seem = trying in the average sailboat on the lake. And what about knowing the = conditions on the lake, such as the recent fog and the duck hunter that = got lost in it Saturday night. This duck hunter had no navigational = equipment, not even a compass. Two counties of search and rescue were = called out including both state parks on the lake. The conditions were = too foggy for an effective rescue since radar would have been useless. = All the rescue teams could do was have the hunter shoot off shotgun = blasts, triangulate on his position from shore and try to guide him in = using his cell phone. This was not an easy task since trying to figure = out where sound is coming from in fog is quite hard. Another duck hunter recently got stranded out on the lake with bad fuel. = He also relayed his trouble by cell phone. The difference in this case = though, was that this duck hunter knew exactly where he was and was able = to guide the state parks boat to his position. The problem though, was = that this boat was not capable of handling a Great Salt Lake storm and = one was due that night. We must all look at these incidents and make sure we have prepared = ourselves for venturing out on the lake before we risk our guests lives = or the lives of the people who may have to help us. Anyway, It's never a dull momont out on the lake. Just wait a short = while and the lake or it's users never fail to provide entertainment or = a good story. Happy New Millenium everyone. Sailing was so good the evening of New = Years day that I have decided to make it a tradition to sail the first = day of every millenium. Se ya all at the lake Dave Shearer --Boundary_(ID_V601Vd/1k7aOrd+T8x/vtQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hey everybody.
It's Me, Dave Shearer.  Made it = through the=20 surgery just fine.
Thank you all for your wishes and=20 concern.
 
I had a friend of mine in the store = today.  He=20 used to own one of the brine shrimp companies out on the = lake
(just sold out this year).  = Anyway,  he=20 had first hand information on the flipped shrimp boat out on the=20 lake.
 
It is a true story (he has pictures of = the boat)=20 and happend about two weeks ago.  The story related by Pau Doubek = is=20 pretty
accurate about the incident.  The = boat was top=20 heavy and would lean outward rather than inward whenever it turned (not = a=20 good
indication of stability).
 
On this particular day the boat was on = the north=20 end of the causway shrimping along the east shore in a place called = Indian=20 Cove.  The boat is stationed out of Little Harbour just north of = the=20 causway on Promontory Point.  They were loaded down with 14,000 = pounds of=20 eggs and were operating in 4 foot seas when the boat just rolled over. = apparenty=20 the boat had trouble and became sideways to the waves.
 
After waiting for awhile for help, the = captain swam=20 about a half hour to shore in 38 degree water.  (Lucky to be = alive). =20 As far as coyotes dogging him all the way to camp this has not been=20 confirmed.  As Paul Doubek related,  the other two crew = members were=20 saved by the support boat some time later.
 
The boat is no longer in Indian = Cove.  It was=20 salvaged by the brine shrimp company.  Invay (not sure of the = spelling) is=20 the operating company.  This is a dutch company that has been = buying up=20 many of the smaller companies on the lake.  They were able to right = the=20 boat and refloat it.  Most everything above deck had been sheared = off=20 including the pilot house and modifications.  My understanding is = that this=20 stuff is still in Indian Cove along with the 14,000 pounds of brine = shrimp eggs=20 that were lost.  I know the general location if anyone is = interested in=20 checking out the remaining wreckage.
 
The story related to me is that this = particular=20 boat had been slowly modified for the past several years by a succession = of=20 owners and appeared unstable to other observers who watched the boat=20 maneauver.  Now add dense water causing the boat to float higher = than=20 designed,  changing the center of gravity with a flying = bridge, =20 adding dense waves hitting the boat, and a heavy load of shrimp = eggs.  This=20 accident was bound to happen.
 
By the way,  has anyone paid = attention to some=20 of these boats the duck hunters are using out on the lake.  They = obviously=20 don't know what this lake can do if a storm or even 20 knot winds kick = up. =20 These boats have no freeboard and would rapidly sink in conditions that = would=20 just seem trying in the average sailboat on the lake.  And what = about=20 knowing the conditions on the lake, such as the recent fog and the duck = hunter=20 that got lost in it Saturday night.  This duck hunter had no = navigational=20 equipment,  not even a compass.  Two counties of search and = rescue=20 were called out including both state parks on the lake.  The = conditions=20 were too foggy for an effective rescue since radar would have been=20 useless.  All the rescue teams could do was have the hunter shoot = off=20 shotgun blasts, triangulate on his position from shore and try to guide = him in=20 using his cell phone.  This was not an easy task since trying to = figure out=20 where sound is coming from in fog is quite hard.
 
Another duck hunter recently got = stranded out on=20 the lake with bad fuel.  He also relayed his trouble by cell = phone. =20 The difference in this case though, was that this duck hunter knew = exactly where=20 he was and was able to guide the state parks boat to his position.  = The=20 problem though, was that this boat was not capable of handling a Great = Salt Lake=20 storm and one was due that night.
 
We must all look at these incidents and = make sure=20 we have prepared ourselves for venturing out on the lake before we risk = our=20 guests lives or the lives of the people who may have to help = us.
 
Anyway,  It's never a dull momont = out on the=20 lake.  Just wait a short while and the lake or it's users never = fail to=20 provide entertainment or a good story.
 
 
Happy New Millenium everyone.  = Sailing was so=20 good the evening of New Years day that I have decided to make it a = tradition to=20 sail the first day of every millenium.
 
Se ya all at the lake
 
 
Dave Shearer
--Boundary_(ID_V601Vd/1k7aOrd+T8x/vtQ)-- * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Doubek Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 14:00:21 -0700 Good write up, Dave. According to Philip McDonald's account these guys were not wearing survival suits. It's amazing to me that none of them were hospitalized or buried due to hypothermia. Of course, they're lucky temperatures have been really mild compared to Mid December 1998 when we were in the teens at night. -SNIP- > The boat is no longer in Indian Cove. It was salvaged by the brine > shrimp company. Invay (not sure of the spelling) is the operating > company. This is a dutch company that has been buying up many of the > smaller companies on the lake. They were able to right the boat and Actually, I think Inveigh (also unsure of the spelling) bought all the _biggest_ shrimpers on the lake and consolidating facilities. > refloat it. Most everything above deck had been sheared off including > the pilot house and modifications. My understanding is that this > stuff is still in Indian Cove along with the 14,000 pounds of brine > shrimp eggs that were lost. I know the general location if anyone is > interested in checking out the remaining wreckage. -SNIP- Have Inveigh mark it so we don't hit it next time we're in Indian Cove! :) Maybe add it to Gene's GPS spreadsheet. Happy New Year and New Century to y'all, hope you all had a good time. I must have drunk too much 'cause I slept right through armageddon... or was that postponed until 2001? :) Paul * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Oswald Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 14:12:35 -700 > Hey everybody. > It's Me, Dave Shearer. Made it through the surgery just fine. > Thank you all for your wishes and concern. Glad to hear you're doing OK Dave. Now if we can get Josh back behind the tiller all will be well. > By the way, has anyone paid attention to some of these boats the duck hunters are using out on the lake. They obviously don't know what this lake can do if a storm or even 20 knot winds kick up. These boats have no freeboard and would rapidly sink in conditions that would just seem trying in the average sailboat on the lake. And what about knowing the conditions on the lake, such as the recent fog and the duck hunter that got lost in it Saturday night. This duck hunter had no navigational equipment, not even a compass. Two counties of search and rescue were called out including both state parks on the lake. The conditions were too foggy for an effective rescue since radar would have been useless. All the rescue teams could do was have the hunter shoot off shotgun blasts, triangulate on his position from shore and try to guide him in using his cell phone. This was not an easy task since trying to figure out where sound is coming from in fog is quite hard. > > Another duck hunter recently got stranded out on the lake with bad fuel. He also relayed his trouble by cell phone. The difference in this case though, was that this duck hunter knew exactly where he was and was able to guide the state parks boat to his position. The problem though, was that this boat was not capable of handling a Great Salt Lake storm and one was due that night. > > We must all look at these incidents and make sure we have prepared ourselves for venturing out on the lake before we risk our guests lives or the lives of the people who may have to help us. Sound advice. I wonder if the GSL staff could consider a voluntary registration system. What I envision is simply a sign with a chart on it, and a drop box where boaters can file a float plan. The sign could also offer safety suggestions; carry a VHF, carry a GPS, bring storm clothing, bring extra food and water, etc. And it could list required safety equipment as well such as life jackets and fire extinguishers. The setup could either be by the ramp or mounted by the restrooms. I don't believe that mandatory filing should ever be considered. To do so would inhibit day-sailing where people are just heading out for a few hours without any particular destination in mind. But it could be very helpful if cruisers or all-day sailors were to voluntarily drop into the box an estimated schedule and probable destination. That way, in the event that a rescue becomes necessary there would at least be a chance in hell of figuring out where the boater was going in the first place. I know that if voluntary float-plan filing were visibly and easily accessible to me I would file every time I took any kind of overnighter or full-day trip. What does everyone think of this? Dave * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 14:35:41 -0700 At 14:00 1/3/0 -0700, Paul Doubek wrote: >Have Inveigh mark it so we don't hit it next time we're in Indian Cove! >:) Maybe add it to Gene's GPS spreadsheet. > Paul, we'll just use your centerboard depth finder on your Finn! I have some photos for you. Should I give them to Joe (if I ever see him at his desk)? >Happy New Year and New Century to y'all, hope you all had a good time. I >must have drunk too much 'cause I slept right through armageddon... or >was that postponed until 2001? :) It's at 2001 when the Century and Millennium (2-n's) begin! Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 14:46:25 -0700 At 14:12 1/3/0 -0700, David Oswald wrote: They could put up a sign in/out book like the Forest Sevice uses at trailheads. If it's kept simple and quick, people might be more likely to use it. If it's a low maintenance book/box, the Park Service will be more likely to put one up. I'd put it at the launching ramp as every one goes there who trailer sails. They're the ones likely to need it the most. I can say that as I trailer-sail. I've seen lots of day sailors go out with minimal safety equipment (sometimes not even that) and often limited knowlege of the lake. >I wonder if the GSL staff could consider a voluntary registration system. >What I envision is simply a sign with a chart on it, and a drop box where >boaters can file a float plan. The sign could also offer safety suggestions; >carry a VHF, carry a GPS, bring storm clothing, bring extra food and water, >etc. And it could list required safety equipment as well such as life jackets >and fire extinguishers. The setup could either be by the ramp or mounted by >the restrooms. > >I don't believe that mandatory filing should ever be considered. To do so >would inhibit day-sailing where people are just heading out for a few hours >without any particular destination in mind. But it could be very helpful if >cruisers or all-day sailors were to voluntarily drop into the box an estimated >schedule and probable destination. That way, in the event that a rescue >becomes necessary there would at least be a chance in hell of figuring out >where the boater was going in the first place. I know that if voluntary >float-plan filing were visibly and easily accessible to me I would file every >time I took any kind of overnighter or full-day trip. Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 16:31:33 -0700 On 3 Jan 00, at 14:46, Sanford Meek wrote the following in regards to: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped sh: > At 14:12 1/3/0 -0700, David Oswald wrote: > > > They could put up a sign in/out book like the Forest Sevice uses at > trailheads. If it's kept simple and quick, people might be more likely to > use it. If it's a low maintenance book/box, the Park Service will be more > likely to put one up. I'd put it at the launching ramp as every one goes > there who trailer sails. They're the ones likely to need it the most. I > can say that as I trailer-sail. I've seen lots of day sailors go out with > minimal safety equipment (sometimes not even that) and often limited > knowlege of the lake. > That is exactly what I had in mind. Actually, I'd be happy to use it too though I keep my boat in a slip and usually a few people around the marina know where I'm going already if it's more than a two or three hour trip. So, here is the suggestion as I see it: * A sign similar to those found at many trailheads. * On the sign: - A chart so that newcomers can see where to go. - A notice listing *required* safety gear (ie, vests). - A public service notice with some other safety equipment recommendations such as GPS, Compass and VHF. - An explanation of why someone would want to file a float plan and instructions on how to do it. * A box with forms and a place to drop them so that people can file float plans. I guess the biggest question is whether or not this would actually be helpful. If someone gets into trouble out there would a float plan speed up a rescue? If storm conditions blow someone off course, or if someone flat-out gets lost then a float plan is useless except as a record of who is lost at sea. I have thought several times that it would be nice if *someone* knew that I was out on the lake and where I sailed to just in case I failed to make it back after a few days. But on the other hand I have to wonder if simply filing a float plan would be of any help at all in finding someone. > > >I wonder if the GSL staff could consider a voluntary registration system. > >What I envision is simply a sign with a chart on it, and a drop box where > >boaters can file a float plan. The sign could also offer safety suggestions; > >carry a VHF, carry a GPS, bring storm clothing, bring extra food and water, > >etc. And it could list required safety equipment as well such as life jackets > >and fire extinguishers. The setup could either be by the ramp or mounted by > >the restrooms. > > > >I don't believe that mandatory filing should ever be considered. To do so > >would inhibit day-sailing where people are just heading out for a few hours > >without any particular destination in mind. But it could be very helpful if > >cruisers or all-day sailors were to voluntarily drop into the box an estimated > >schedule and probable destination. That way, in the event that a rescue > >becomes necessary there would at least be a chance in hell of figuring out > >where the boater was going in the first place. I know that if voluntary > >float-plan filing were visibly and easily accessible to me I would file every > >time I took any kind of overnighter or full-day trip. -- David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com A person who has had a bull by the tail once has learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. -- Mark Twain * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: (utah-sailing) Re: Float plan Date: 03 Jan 2000 16:52:27 -0700 At 16:31 1/3/0 -0700, David Oswald wrote: There would be a record of 'some one still out there' on list. Of course the problem would be if the Park Service thought that some one was still out because they forgot to sign back in upon their return. When Diana, Paul, Brian, and I went up to the North End, we left a float plan. I left one with my wife and I think Paul and Diana left them, too. I think that it would have helped a lot if we ran into trouble. Our only trouble was lack of wind! Even if you lose a mast and drift, if the rescue knew where you were supposed ot be , they could start the rescue there and track where you would drift off course. This is done in the CAP all the time. It only helps if people follow the float plan. Finding people lost in aircraft is a real pain if they didn't follow the flight plan or didn't even file one. Some radio direction finding equipment would be helpful. The S&R only has one Doppler system last time I spoke with them. DF equipment is simple to make and use, we do it lots in ham radio. It does take practice to use it well, though. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Re: Float plan Date: 03 Jan 2000 17:09:28 -0700 On 3 Jan 00, at 16:52, Sanford Meek wrote the following in regards to: (utah-sailing) Re: Float plan: > At 16:31 1/3/0 -0700, David Oswald wrote: > > There would be a record of 'some one still out there' on list. Of course > the problem would be if the Park Service thought that some one was still > out because they forgot to sign back in upon their return. In that case, a sign-out and sign-in sheet would be more appropriate than a drop-box. I do believe that a lot of people would forget to sign back in too. I think that it would be impractical to suggest that a float-plan alone would be enough to trigger a rescue. But if someone is reported missing through some other means of reporting it might be a great resource in tracking them down on the lake. > When Diana, Paul, Brian, and I went up to the North End, we left a float > plan. I left one with my wife and I think Paul and Diana left them, too. > I think that it would have helped a lot if we ran into trouble. Our only > trouble was lack of wind! Right, and I usually tell someone in my family where I'm going before I stray more than five miles from the marina, as a general practice. > Even if you lose a mast and drift, if the rescue knew where you were > supposed ot be , they could start the rescue there and track where you > would drift off course. This is done in the CAP all the time. > > It only helps if people follow the float plan. Finding people lost in > aircraft is a real pain if they didn't follow the flight plan or didn't > even file one. > > Some radio direction finding equipment would be helpful. The S&R only has > one Doppler system last time I spoke with them. DF equipment is simple to > make and use, we do it lots in ham radio. It does take practice to use it > well, though. I know that each winter there is a sailing seminar series. Maybe there could be a way to get the word out to other boaters (other than sailors) as well. It would be nice if all the hunters and other recreational boaters could sit in on the session that deals with weather on the GSL and small boat safety. But I suppose no matter how hard you try to get people to listen there will always be some yahoo with a shotgun and a leaky rowboat who gets in trouble out there when the wind picks up and blows him across the water farther than his beer supply will sustain his efforts to paddle home. (No offense is intended toward any hunters who come adequately equipped, nor to anyone who likes to sip a beer while paddling.) Dave -- David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com A person who has had a bull by the tail once has learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. -- Mark Twain * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 19:50:27 -0700 David Oswald wrote: > > I guess the biggest question is whether or not this would actually be > helpful. If someone gets into trouble out there would a float plan > speed up a rescue? If storm conditions blow someone off course, or > if someone flat-out gets lost then a float plan is useless except as > a record of who is lost at sea. > > I have thought several times that it would be nice if *someone* knew > that I was out on the lake and where I sailed to just in case I > failed to make it back after a few days. But on the other hand I > have to wonder if simply filing a float plan would be of any help at > all in finding someone. Here's a simple safety item: a cell phone. If you decide you're going for more than a day sail, call someone responsible (spouse, parent, sibling, etc.) and tell them that you're going, where you're going, and when you expect to be back. Make sure they know how to contact the Rangers if you don't come back. Do this BEFORE you're out of range. Even a simple description of where you were headed, i.e. Crystal Bay, will help give the Rangers some idea of where to look. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bradsilve1@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 22:22:43 EST Dave wrote: Anyway, It's never a dull momont out on the lake. Just wait a short while and the lake or it's users never fail to provide entertainment or a good story. You've got that right. Just wait a short while and "k" dock will provide you with good storys and entertainment. Brad * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darin Christensen" Subject: (utah-sailing) Doyle Sails Sailing Seminar Date: 03 Jan 2000 20:39:33 -0700 Ahoy Utah Sailors! The Great Salt Lake Yacht Club will be hosting a Sailing Seminar presented by Roy Haslup of Doyle Sails this Saturday, January 8, 2000 at the Yacht Club (located at the GSL South Marina near Salt Aire) from 1:00 until about 4:00. All sailors and interested people are invited to attend. Mr. Haslup, who is a former J-World Racing coach, will be discussing racing techniques and answering sailing related questions. The Yacht Club will be furnishing pizza and soft drinks. ALL ARE INVITED; no membership required. Please RSVP to darinc@sisna.com so that we can plan the appropriate amount of goodies. Please inform others who may not subscribe to the Utah Sailing List. *************************************************************** Darin Christensen owner Victory 21 #195 "Kristoffer's Son" and Santana 525 #61 (67134) "Abraxas" http://users.sisna.com/darinc ************************************************************* * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 03 Jan 2000 21:41:31 -0800 At the risk of stirring an already bubbling pot I'd like to share my ideas on the subject of safety. I'd like to propose that we begin by first banning hunting and then outlawing stupidity, and finally putting an end to bad luck. But unfortunately, hard as we try, none of these remedies are possible. Outlawing stupidity is unconstitutional, hunting is a basic human need even after 4 million years of evolution and the invention of the mega super store and bad luck is a known law of physics. I've always felt that several things were required in order to avoid or at least minimize trouble on the lake: * A float plan filed with an interested party: a wife, a mother, a father, or a good friend. * A VHF radio that really works * A cell phone that works occasionally * A GPS that works always * A helping of safety gear dependent on the time of year * A maintained and managed craft * Some common sense * Some not so common sense * A Great respect for Mother Nature * And finally, a little fear and a sprinkle of good luck. The more of these ingredients you overlook the greater the potential for disaster. As I see it, teaching these rules will go far in preventing catastrophe. And even with all that bad thing are still going to happen. The Great Salt Lake Yacht Club makes an attempt at educating the public by hosting the winter sailing seminars where boating safety and the particulars of the Great Salt Lake are discussed. In addition, the various Utah Sailing Clubs and Sail Utah makes an effort nearly year round by their willingness to share their knowledge and experience with any who express an interest in learning about our sport and our beloved lakes. And finally, they say there is safety in numbers, that being the case the Utah Yacht Clubs and Sail Utah hosts sailing events nearly year round that encourages boating skill, safety, and association with others that have over time learned the lessons of the water and the secrets of the sail. Gene * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 04 Jan 2000 11:55:53 -0700 At 21:41 1/3/0 -0800, Eugene Morgan wrote: Good points Gene, but I'd modify it somewhat. >* A VHF radio that really works Marine is good, but are you in range and is anyone listening (middle of the night)? I always take my ham radio in addition. They're much better in that I can reach repeaters anywhere on the lake (I've gone all around the lake and been able to hit a repeater) and there is almost always someone listening on the ham repeaters. I can also talk directly to S&R and CAP. >* A cell phone that works occasionally On our North End trip, Paul's cell phone could not connect. My hand held 2-meter ham radio did connect to repeaters. >* A GPS that works always GPS's are good but batteries die and electronics get dropped and wet. I always take a compass and usually several including a hand held one. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sid Subject: (utah-sailing) Even more on Shrimp Boat Flip Date: 04 Jan 2000 13:08:17 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_D/Kf4/+h9jnOxpe5YmUrSA) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey, I'ts Dave Shearer again. I have even more info on that flipped over brine shrimp boat. Actually, = I'ts more of a confirmation of existing information. Paul Doubec's = story of the captain walking several miles and being dogged by coyotes = is true. None of the crew had time to get their survival suits on. They = sat on the bow of the turned over boat for several hours. The captain = swam in, being pushed in the proper direction from 4 foot swells. He = than walked several miles south back to little harbour where he took the = speed boat out and picked up the other two crew members. Imagine the = wind chill on his body after swimming in 38 degree water for 1 1/2 miles = and then walking 6 to 8 miles back to camp in wet, salt encrusted = clothes with a strong northwest wind. =20 The pilot house is in fairly deep water (for great salt lake) in the = north end of Indian Cove. =20 Tim Begue of Prime Artemius and another friend of mine, Andy Wallace = (Prime Artemius' pilot) flew over the tipped over boat during the = salvage attempt and took numerous pictures. I will have these pictures = at Sidsports or out at the lake for any curious people who would like to = see them. There are some pretty good ones. I have been interested in all of the comments back and forth on safety = on the lake. Since being involved with the rangers on rescues out there = I have seen some really stupid things and people who just shouldn't be = operating out there without some more training. Even when these people = call for help they usually have no clue where they are causing the = rescue to be even more complicated and lengthy. Most of the scarry or = troubling rescues usually involve the day user bringing his boat to the = marina for the day rather than the marina users renting slips. The = common elements are: 1. Not knowing the lake well enough (including what island is = what) 2. Not knowing shallow areas, reefs and currents 3. Not being adequatly prepared for a day on a lake that can = be rough (proper gear, compass, phone or radio) 4. Not having a boat that is adequate for the lakes potential = conditions Looking forward to more good comments and ideas about safety on the = lake. --Boundary_(ID_D/Kf4/+h9jnOxpe5YmUrSA) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, I'ts Dave Shearer = again.
 
I have even more info on that flipped = over brine=20 shrimp boat.  Actually, I'ts more of a confirmation of existing=20 information.  Paul Doubec's story of the captain walking several = miles and=20 being dogged by coyotes is true. None of the crew had time to get their = survival=20 suits on.  They sat on the bow of the turned over boat for several=20 hours.  The captain swam in, being pushed in the proper direction = from 4=20 foot swells.  He than walked several miles south back to little = harbour=20 where he took the speed boat out and picked up the other two crew = members. =20 Imagine the wind chill on his body after swimming in 38 degree water for = 1 1/2=20 miles and then walking 6 to 8 miles back to camp in wet, salt encrusted = clothes=20 with a strong northwest wind. 
 
The pilot house is in fairly deep water = (for great=20 salt lake) in the north end of Indian Cove. 
 
Tim Begue of Prime Artemius and another = friend of=20 mine, Andy Wallace (Prime Artemius'  pilot) flew over the tipped = over boat=20 during the salvage attempt and took numerous pictures.  I will have = these=20 pictures at Sidsports or out at the lake for any curious people who = would like=20 to see them.  There are some pretty good ones.
 
I have been interested in all of the = comments back=20 and forth on safety on the lake.  Since being involved with the = rangers on=20 rescues out there  I have seen some really stupid things and people = who=20 just shouldn't be operating out there without some more training.  = Even=20 when these people call for help they usually have no clue where they are = causing=20 the rescue to be even more complicated and lengthy.  Most of the = scarry or=20 troubling rescues usually involve the day user bringing his boat to the = marina=20 for the day rather than the marina users renting slips.  The common = elements are:
       =20 1.    Not knowing the lake well enough (including what = island is=20 what)
       =20 2.    Not knowing shallow areas, reefs and = currents
       =20 3.    Not being adequatly prepared for a day on a lake = that can=20 be rough (proper gear, compass, phone or radio)
       =20 4.    Not having a boat that is adequate for the lakes = potential=20 conditions
 
Looking forward to more good comments = and ideas=20 about safety on the lake.
--Boundary_(ID_D/Kf4/+h9jnOxpe5YmUrSA)-- * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Oswald Subject: Re: RE: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 04 Jan 2000 13:28:07 -700 > At 21:41 1/3/0 -0800, Eugene Morgan wrote: > > > Good points Gene, but I'd modify it somewhat. > > > > >* A VHF radio that really works Sandy mentioned that HAM is also useful in this capacity. That is a good point. Also, I think it's important to realize that VHF is a line-of-sight system. A 3db antenna mounted aloft is going to get better reception and propagation than a 6db or 9db antenna mounted on the transom. A good rule of thumb for visual line-of-sight is D=1.17*sqrt(h1)+1.17*sqrt(h2), where D is distance, h1 is observer's height, and h2 is the height of the object being observed. The 1.17 constant is a subject of debate; I've seen some publications call it 1.21 and others 1.14, but that difference isn't all to significant. Anyway, if there is a light 50 feet over the water, and you are observing it from 10 feet above the water, you will be able to see it from 11.97 nautical miles away (if it has sufficient intensity, and atmospheric conditions permit). Mariners used to use the known height of lights to "bob the light" on the horizon and thus roughly determine distance. So if you apply the same principal to "line of sight" radio communications you will see that a masthead antenna (35' high) communicating with the marina's antenna (75' high?) you will have a range of about 17 nautical miles. Whereas if you have your boat's antenna mounted on deck with a height of 3', the range would be only 12.15 nautical miles. If you're communicating with another boat, the range will be even shorter; more like 5 to 9 miles. There is some amount of VHF communication that can be received past the horizon due to atmospheric ducting. So assume that with a masthead antenna you will be able to reach the marina's antenna at up to about 21-26 nautical miles... maybe even a little more if you're lucky and the planets are aligned just right. If you have a deck-mounted antenna you would probably only be able to reach the marina at up to about 16 miles out. And a deck mount commuicating with another deck mount might be able to get 6 to 10 miles. It is safe to say, therefore, that there are places on the lake where you will be out of range, both due to distance and due to obstructions such as islands. At those times, it's more imperative than ever that boaters be self-sufficient. > >* A cell phone that works occasionally The cell-phone is a back-up defense at best, but it is still nice to have along. > >* A GPS that works always Usually a GPS works fine. Occasionally for one reason or another it becomes difficult to get a fix, but generally it is a good solution. However, without a chart it isn't helpful as a navigational tool. A chart is necessary, in my oppinion. And alongside the chart, a compass, and an understanding of dead reckoning are very important. It's nice to be able to look at a landmark or two and be able to triangulate on the chart where I am. Fog can make that difficult, but it's unlikely that the fog will roll in precisely at the time that my GPS's batteries die. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 04 Jan 2000 12:36:54 -0800 If course I agree but now we are moving into being REALLY prepared and not just prepared. All the offshore books I have read all talk about the necessity of short-wave and specifically amateur radio. That is one of the major reasons I have kept my Ham license (WB7RLX) in force. And I would encourage anyone considering ham radio to take the leap. It's fun, the people are great, and it's a good fit with sailing. 2 meter gear (146-148Mhz) has become fairly inexpensive. As to the compass, I consider such a device fairly useless for determining your position especially at night and on the water. How could a compass be used in the dark of night in a disabled boat ran aground somewhere on the lake? A GPS, no problem, fix you position call it in with your cell phone or radio. Granted contact might be problematic but so far it's been a rare occasion when I've not been able to raise someone on 16. I would suspect that raising someone they started a search would not be too difficult. Once contact was established you direct them to your position with your handy dandy pocket Ovalteen GPS. And yes batteries do run out, and that's why most of us carry spares. Please understand I was talking about basic precautions. Pointing out the next level shows your wisdom and your skill. And as you pointed out trips to the north basin of the GSL deserve special preparation and additional precautions. Gene...... -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 11:56 AM At 21:41 1/3/0 -0800, Eugene Morgan wrote: Good points Gene, but I'd modify it somewhat. >* A VHF radio that really works Marine is good, but are you in range and is anyone listening (middle of the night)? I always take my ham radio in addition. They're much better in that I can reach repeaters anywhere on the lake (I've gone all around the lake and been able to hit a repeater) and there is almost always someone listening on the ham repeaters. I can also talk directly to S&R and CAP. >* A cell phone that works occasionally On our North End trip, Paul's cell phone could not connect. My hand held 2-meter ham radio did connect to repeaters. >* A GPS that works always GPS's are good but batteries die and electronics get dropped and wet. I always take a compass and usually several including a hand held one. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Doubek Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) more information on flipped shrimp boat Date: 04 Jan 2000 16:16:55 -0700 Eugene Morgan wrote: > > As to the compass, I consider such a device fairly useless for determining > your position especially at night and on the water. How could a compass be > used in the dark of night in a disabled boat ran aground somewhere on the > lake? As with any device, you need to learn to use it. And PRACTICE... so you know what to expect (which reminds me Chris, we need an avalanche beacon drill :) There are a number of visual landmarks, that can be seen from most of the lake (assuming visibility) such as the Kennecott smokestack and the radio towers on Farnsworth Peak. I didn't notice whether the Doppler tower on Promontory is lit, but I think it's gotta be with it's elevation and proximity to several airports. I almost always have a compass in the Finn, but I don't own a hand held radio and I rarely have a chart. It's a small enough boat, though, that I don't venture far from the ramp or other boats. If I had a radio and could give a rescuer bearings to two or more landmarks (taking into account the magnetic declination), they should be able to do the triangulation. The GPS can "see" through the weather and performs the triangulation, but a compass is cheap and durable. Another consideration is that the shrimp boat had electronics aboard... it was all under water! The same would have probably been true for the guy that turtled his West Wight Potter (or whatever it was) the summer before last. Then, I guess, a good, water proof radio hanging from your belt would be your best bet. That and the compass in your fanny pack! * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heidi Solstad Subject: (utah-sailing) Wealth not lost on Shrimp Boat Date: 04 Jan 2000 16:09:57 PST As I read all the posts to utah-sailing, I learn. I learn about sailing. = I learn about the Great Salt Lake. I learn about shrimp boaters. I learn ab= out VHF, GPS,the wind's fickleness, companionships . . . et al. Have you folks considered retaining all the information and knowledge tha= t you pass back and forth for one another? Reataining it all in some compressed= easy to research file? A data base? I think that you have a wealth that is untapped. It would be a shame to let all this rich knowledge sink with the shrimp e= ggs. To pass on your experience today for those who are here in the tomorrows,= would be a legacy for the lake. A time capsule for others to try out and enjoy. = Best of each day to all. Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Wealth not lost on Shrimp Boat Date: 04 Jan 2000 18:33:49 -0700 Heidi Solstad wrote: > > As I read all the posts to utah-sailing, I learn. I learn about sailing. I > learn about the Great Salt Lake. I learn about shrimp boaters. I learn about > VHF, GPS,the wind's fickleness, companionships . . . et al. > > Have you folks considered retaining all the information and knowledge that you > pass back and forth for one another? Reataining it all in some compressed easy > to research file? A data base? I think that you have a wealth that is > untapped. The Utah-Sailing/GSL FAQ! What a great idea! What say, Dave? Did you enable archiving of this mailing list? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat or Jackie Subject: [Fwd: (utah-sailing) Archives] Date: 04 Jan 2000 18:44:27 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5A58F8720690C70DE878BF8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is an attached letter from Dave Oswald dated July 3, 1999 regarding how to access the utah-sailing e-mail newsgroup. Hope this helps. It is good reading and worth perusing to get caught up on all the fun that you have missed in the past. In my humble opinion, the utah-sailing list -- through its growth and in time -- will save the Great Salt Lake ("we have met the enemy and they is us!" -- Pogo) Archives. What an appropriate subject to bring up for the New Year! . . . So take a cup of kindness and auld lang syne! Hope this helps. Heidi, nice letter and suggestion. 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You may access them by pointing your web browser to: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/utah-sailing/archive/ Enjoy! Dave -- David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). --------------5A58F8720690C70DE878BF8D-- * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Archives Date: 04 Jan 2000 21:38:56 -0700 Ha! That's great. I had forgotten ever having sent that email, and also forgotten how to access the archives. Thanks for reminding me Pat. Dave Oswald On 3 Jul 99, at 1:20, David Oswald wrote the following in regards to: (utah-sailing) Archives: > Utah-Sailing archives are available going back to February. You may > access them by pointing your web browser to: > > ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/utah-sailing/archive/ > > Enjoy! > > Dave > -- > David Oswald / doswald@xmission.com / http://www.xmission.com/~doswald > Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges. -- William Shakespeare > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > > -- David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com A person who has had a bull by the tail once has learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. -- Mark Twain * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kimball Sant Subject: (utah-sailing) Float Plan Date: 04 Jan 2000 09:00:50 -0700 I spent many years in CAP, and there is nothing more frustrating than a guy that fails to file a flight plan or fails to close one. The problem seems not to be so much the sailors as hunters and people not familiar with the dangers of the lake. The safety gear recommendations are great, but how do we convince others ie: hunters etc. Many locals look on the lake as an open cesspool rather than what it is. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Date: 05 Jan 2000 21:24:32 -0800 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF5806.50942F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" The First Ever Polar Bear Cup. Saturday Jan. 29, 2000 This is a free race and open to all keel boats of 20' or longer. Format: The race will be in an offshore format. Race will start just outside the South Shore marina. The far mark will be the Meria warning buoy. Rules: It will be scored as an offshore and in accordance with the Racing Rules of Sailing 1997-2000 as amended by USSA. Single-handed crews are OK, automatic steering devices are OK. If boats show up at the start line the race will be held unless there is little to no wind. State Parks to provide the committee boat and chase boat. Special Equipment: Required equipment to include all equipment as specified by Federal and Utah State law. In addition functioning Marine band VHF radio and a functioning GPS or compass. When: It will be held the last Saturday of January of 2000. Skippers meeting at 9:00 AM, South Marina pavilion. Race to begin at 10:00 AM. Sponsorship and Responsible Parties: This race is currently not being sponsored by any organization or governing body. Participation is voluntary. This race is not associated with any other regatta or series. If you have questions or comments please contact Eugene Morgan at emorgan@Microsoft.com or call me at (801) 621-2795. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF5806.50942F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The First Ever Polar Bear Cup.  Saturday Jan. 29, 2000

 

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This is a free race and open to all keel boats of 20’ or longer. =

 

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Format:

The = race will be in an offshore format.  Race = will start just outside the South Shore marina.  The far mark will be the Meria warning buoy.

 

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Rules:

It will = be scored as an offshore and in accordance with the Racing Rules of Sailing = 1997-2000 as amended by USSA.  Single-handed = crews are OK, automatic steering devices are OK.  If boats show up at the start line the race will be held unless = there is little to no wind.  State = Parks to provide the committee boat and chase = boat.

 

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Special Equipment:

Required equipment to include all equipment as specified by Federal and Utah State law.  In addition functioning = Marine band VHF radio and a functioning GPS or = compass.

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When:=

It will = be held the last Saturday of January of 2000.    Skippers meeting at 9:00 AM, South = Marina pavilion.  Race to begin at 10:00 = AM.

 

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Sponsorship and Responsible = Parties:

This = race is currently not being sponsored by any organization or governing body.  Participation is = voluntary.  This race is not associated = with any other regatta or series.

 

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If you = have questions or comments please contact Eugene Morgan at emorgan@Microsoft.com or call me at (801) 621-2795.

 

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Great Salt Lake Yacht = Club Winter Seminars

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    The Great Salt Lake Yacht Club will = conduct free Introductory Sailing

Seminars for the public = at the Salt Lake City Main Library (209 East 500=

South) on Monday nights = from 7 to 9 p.m. beginning January 24 and on most=

Mondays through April = 24.  The seminars will be held in = the library's third

floor auditorium.  For information, contact = Bryant Pratt at 262-4243 or Jeff

Thorpe at 487-4030 or = 468-2645.=

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The president of the archaeological society stood to address the assemblage and pointed to the first drawing and said, "This looks like a woman. We can judge that this race was family oriented and held women in high esteem. You can also tell they were very intelligent, as the next symbol is that of a donkey and that represents the fact that they were smart enough to have animals help them till the soil. The next drawing looks like a shovel which means they had advanced to the point where they had tools to help them with their daily existence." The president continued, "Even further proof of their high intelligence is that they have depicted the image of a fish which means that if a famine had hit their village and they were unable to grow any food, they would find sustenance in the nearby ocean. And the last symbol, the Star of David, indicates that they were devout Hebrews." The vast audience applauded enthusiastically. Suddenly, a little old man stood up in the back of the meeting hall and said, "Idiots! Hebrew is read from right to left. What the message of the symbols actually means is... "Holy Mackerel, Dig the Ass On That Woman." Cheers, * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taciturn Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 07 Jan 2000 23:24:28 -0700 Scan Down this page to the heading that says, "Davis": http://www.sltrib.com:80/2000/jan/01072000/utah/15686.htm Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kellan Hatch" Subject: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 09 Jan 2000 08:43:07 -0700 Hi, I've been looking for a versatile car-toppable boat for sailing places not accessible to my trailer. I decided to build a sailing kayak with detachable outriggers and sail rig. I'm nearing completion on the hull and I've figured out most of the details for rudder, etc. but I'm having trouble deciding on a sail configuration. Chances are I'll go with a balanced lug, but I'm also considering a standard triangular sail or full batton design. The problem is, I'm having trouble finding detailed plans for any of these. In particular, I'm looking for the best way to attach the sail to a non-slotted mast (assuming I don't choose a lug configuration). I don't want to use a sleeve because it, even though it seems to be the simplest solution, it looks like that would make reefing impossible. I've ordered a couple of books that I thought would help, (like Bolgers '103 Sail Rigs') but nothing seems to have specific details. Can anyone offer some suggestions for sources of information? Thanks, Kellan Hatch * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: (utah-sailing) A change... Date: 09 Jan 2000 10:19:39 -0700 I have been the electronics and cameras buyer for ZCMI. However, ZCMI was purchased by Meier & Frank, a division of the May Company a couple of months ago, and subsequently all buyers were given their walking papers. Additionally, my departments (along with Toys and Books) have been discontinued and liquidated. Fortunately Meier & Frank decided that they like me. I have been asked to transfer to Portland, Oregon where I will be an assistant buyer in Men's Clothing, training to become a full buyer as soon as turnover permits my advancement. The pay is considerably better, and it is a fantastic career opportunity. So with some regrets, some relief, and some excitement, I will be transferring to Portland on approximately February 1st. Swan Song will remain on the Great Salt Lake under my father's care. You'll still see him out there frequently, and I believe that you'll even see me out there every month or so in the summer months. But I also hope to purchase a new (used) boat once I get settled in Portland. I have administered Utah-Sailing for over two years, and for GSLYC members, I have administered the GSLYC announcement mailing list for a few months. Since I will allow my Xmission account to expire by the end of February, I needed to find someone who had an Xmission account and the technical savvy to run the lists. It turned out that we have someone amongst us who fits the need. Cynthia Sorensen, owner of Moon Shine, a Catalina 22, and member of the GSLYC is also an Xmission account holder. She is also a programmer, and thus more than capable of handling the technical aspects of maintaining the two lists. Sometime before the first of February I will hand over the keys of the lists to her. She has been a participant on both of the lists practically since their inception, so I'm sure that she understands the lists' nature, and will continue to host them in a manner similar to the way I have. We will make one more announcement once we are readly to enact the transfer. But for most people there won't be any change at all; the same list addresses, and the same manner of subscribing and unsubscribing. I want to thank everyone for making these lists what they have become. I have gotten to know many good people and learned a lot of great advice through our participation in this forum. I'll probably remain a member of utah-sailing even though I'll be living in Portland. And I'm sure that I will still spend many hours sailing the GSL. I'm also excited to resume the sport and passion in Portland as well. Thanks! Dave Oswald -- David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com A person who has had a bull by the tail once has learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. -- Mark Twain * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taciturn Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) A change... Date: 09 Jan 2000 10:47:21 -0700 First let me say, Congratulations! on you promotion and transfer. But it is with deep regret that we (my family and I) will not be seeing you on a regular basis anymore. You were the best slip neighbor anyone could ever hope for. And as a true friend of sailing and the Great Salt Lake, well, you deserve a monument out there, Dave. We will miss you. However! thanks to the miracle of cybernetics and e-communications we know that you are going to be only a few nanoseconds away, and look forward to hearing from you frequently back here at the utah-sailing e-mail list and newsgroup. Please let us know whenever you will be around -- we will look forward to seeing you at your slip and on the water! I'm sure others feel similarly about you and will consider you a friend forever, Pat & Jackie Swigart and family "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 PS: Welcome Cynthia! David Oswald wrote: > > I have been the electronics and cameras buyer for ZCMI. However, > ZCMI was purchased by Meier & Frank, a division of the May Company a > couple of months ago, and subsequently all buyers were given their > walking papers. Additionally, my departments (along with Toys and > Books) have been discontinued and liquidated. > > Fortunately Meier & Frank decided that they like me. I have been > asked to transfer to Portland, Oregon where I will be an assistant > buyer in Men's Clothing, training to become a full buyer as soon as > turnover permits my advancement. The pay is considerably better, and > it is a fantastic career opportunity. So with some regrets, some > relief, and some excitement, I will be transferring to Portland on > approximately February 1st. > > Swan Song will remain on the Great Salt Lake under my father's care. > You'll still see him out there frequently, and I believe that you'll > even see me out there every month or so in the summer months. But I > also hope to purchase a new (used) boat once I get settled in > Portland. > > I have administered Utah-Sailing for over two years, and for GSLYC > members, I have administered the GSLYC announcement mailing list for > a few months. Since I will allow my Xmission account to expire by > the end of February, I needed to find someone who had an Xmission > account and the technical savvy to run the lists. It turned out that > we have someone amongst us who fits the need. > > Cynthia Sorensen, owner of Moon Shine, a Catalina 22, and member of > the GSLYC is also an Xmission account holder. She is also a > programmer, and thus more than capable of handling the technical > aspects of maintaining the two lists. Sometime before the first of > February I will hand over the keys of the lists to her. She has been > a participant on both of the lists practically since their inception, > so I'm sure that she understands the lists' nature, and will continue > to host them in a manner similar to the way I have. We will make one > more announcement once we are readly to enact the transfer. But for > most people there won't be any change at all; the same list > addresses, and the same manner of subscribing and unsubscribing. > > I want to thank everyone for making these lists what they have > become. I have gotten to know many good people and learned a lot of > great advice through our participation in this forum. I'll probably > remain a member of utah-sailing even though I'll be living in > Portland. And I'm sure that I will still spend many hours sailing > the GSL. I'm also excited to resume the sport and passion in > Portland as well. > > Thanks! > > Dave Oswald > -- > David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com > A person who has had a bull by the tail once has > learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. > -- Mark Twain > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roger V Ostergaard Subject: (utah-sailing) sailing scouts Date: 09 Jan 2000 11:16:58 -0700 Well things are moving along on my varsity scout boat project. After the excellent input from you on the list we have reconsidered the style of boat we'll build. We have chosen a dingy design called the Argie 10 from Dudley Dix, a designer out of South Africa. It's a straight forward design that is little over 10 feet long and we like the idea of the multi purpose utility that a dingy lends it's self to. It has three flotation compartment so I believe it will be fairly safe for the boys and I think we can build these each for $120 or under that we had plan on. I'll keep you all abreast of our progress and adventures or misadventures as the case my be. See Ya Rog * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Date: 09 Jan 2000 17:11:50 EST Golly! Won't it be cold outside? * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kellycpi" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Date: 09 Jan 2000 20:31:41 -0700 Dhaaaa ! But of course! * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) A change... Date: 09 Jan 2000 22:42:16 -0700 David Oswald wrote: > > I have been the electronics and cameras buyer for ZCMI. However, > ZCMI was purchased by Meier & Frank, a division of the May Company a > couple of months ago, and subsequently all buyers were given their > walking papers. Additionally, my departments (along with Toys and > Books) have been discontinued and liquidated. > > Fortunately Meier & Frank decided that they like me. I have been > asked to transfer to Portland, Oregon Congratulations, I hope you like Portland as much as Meier & Frank will like you. It's a beautiful city. I'll come up and visit this summer; we can go to Malibu Grand Prix together. ;^) > Cynthia Sorensen, owner of Moon Shine, a Catalina 22, and member of > the GSLYC is also an Xmission account holder. She is also a > programmer, and thus more than capable of handling the technical > aspects of maintaining the two lists. Sometime before the first of > February I will hand over the keys of the lists to her. I too am an Xmission subscriber and programmer, and write internet email systems as a hobby. Feel free to call or email if you need any help, Cynthia. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Stout Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 10 Jan 2000 07:22:08 -0700 Kellan Hatch wrote: > I don't > want to use a sleeve because it, even though it seems to be the simplest > solution, it looks like that would make reefing impossible. Not impossible, you wrap the sail around the mast. The trouble is it's almost impossible to do under sail and sometimes requires the removal of the top batten. -- Tom Stout tomstout@xmission.com Mirage 27 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alyxandra K. MacLeod" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) A change... Date: 10 Jan 2000 07:26:00 -0700 Thanks Wes, I will most likely take you up on it sometime. Cyn Wes Peters wrote: > David Oswald wrote: > > > > Cynthia Sorensen, owner of Moon Shine, a Catalina 22, and member of > > the GSLYC is also an Xmission account holder. She is also a > > programmer, and thus more than capable of handling the technical > > aspects of maintaining the two lists. Sometime before the first of > > February I will hand over the keys of the lists to her. > > I too am an Xmission subscriber and programmer, and write internet email > systems as a hobby. Feel free to call or email if you need any help, > Cynthia. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). -- "What does that mean?" "It means the Matrix cannot tell you who you are." ICQ #10306498 http://www.xmission.com/~lucyblue * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Doubek Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 10 Jan 2000 12:52:48 -0700 Kellan, Have you checked out Chesapeake Light Craft's sailing rig? It was documented in WoodenBoat volume 131 (July/Aug '96) or you can see pics at http://www.clcboats.com. I don't know how they attach or reef theirs, and I can't tell from the online pics. It looks like they use full length battens, so rolling it around the mast would be out. Chris Kulczycki (founder of CLC) seems to think reefing is an important element in a decent rig, so I would expect this in their rig. They might be able to give you some good ideas. Paul Doubek Tom Stout wrote: > > Kellan Hatch wrote: > > > I don't > > want to use a sleeve because it, even though it seems to be the simplest > > solution, it looks like that would make reefing impossible. > > Not impossible, you wrap the sail around the mast. The trouble is it's almost > impossible to do under sail and sometimes requires the removal of the top > batten. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 10 Jan 2000 14:28:51 -0700 Paul Doubek wrote: > > Kellan, > > Have you checked out Chesapeake Light Craft's sailing rig? It was > documented in WoodenBoat volume 131 (July/Aug '96) or you can see pics > at http://www.clcboats.com. I don't know how they attach or reef theirs, > and I can't tell from the online pics. It looks like they use full > length battens, so rolling it around the mast would be out. Chris > Kulczycki (founder of CLC) seems to think reefing is an important > element in a decent rig, so I would expect this in their rig. They might > be able to give you some good ideas. The bow-on picture of the Kayak/trimaran shows noticeable gaps between the sail and mast, with attachment points at the batten ends. You can't really see what the attachment points might be, but on a small craft 1" velcro overlapped completely around the mast would suffice. You could then reef by wrapping the main around the boom, or by flaking it over the boom, unzipping velcro tabs as needed. That little trimaran sure looks entertaining, doesn't it? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 10 Jan 2000 14:38:21 -0800 What about using hoops as they used years ago. It solves the reefing problem and makes it possible to lower the sail without leaving the comfort of your seat. It also would make using a full batten sail a rather simple matter. I have some old sailing books at home that show some older boats both sloop and gaff rigs with hoops employed as a method of attaching the sail to a wood spar. The hoops were made of wood. I'd think that in this day and age you could fabricate the hoops out of nearly anything, alum. tubing, fiberglass, etc. etc. My other assumption is that, although not necessary, your mast would be round (cross sectionally) rather that a more aerodynamic shape. I defer my recommendation to our consummate sailing engineer, Rocky and his loyal sidekick Ray from the good ship "Runaway." Or is it Ray and his loyal sidekick Rocky.... I can never keep it straight... -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 8:43 AM Hi, I've been looking for a versatile car-toppable boat for sailing places not accessible to my trailer. I decided to build a sailing kayak with detachable outriggers and sail rig. I'm nearing completion on the hull and I've figured out most of the details for rudder, etc. but I'm having trouble deciding on a sail configuration. Chances are I'll go with a balanced lug, but I'm also considering a standard triangular sail or full batton design. The problem is, I'm having trouble finding detailed plans for any of these. In particular, I'm looking for the best way to attach the sail to a non-slotted mast (assuming I don't choose a lug configuration). I don't want to use a sleeve because it, even though it seems to be the simplest solution, it looks like that would make reefing impossible. I've ordered a couple of books that I thought would help, (like Bolgers '103 Sail Rigs') but nothing seems to have specific details. Can anyone offer some suggestions for sources of information? Thanks, Kellan Hatch * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Date: 10 Jan 2000 14:51:30 -0800 Cold is a relative term. Cold by what standard? Isn't skiing cold?, isn't jogging in winter cold? No it will be just fine. It will be a balmy nice day by comparison. I just can't define what I'm comparing it to, summer in Antarctica, winter in Nome? Regardless it will be fun and an adventure. Beside's, only bad asses and crazy people would race in January. I'll leave it to each to make there own determination as to which camp we fall into. Everyone should side back and enjoy how much fun we are going to have! Better yet, dust of the foulies and the long-undies out, get a boat in the water if it's not already and come join us. -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 3:12 PM Golly! Won't it be cold outside? * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Correc Date: 10 Jan 2000 15:07:16 -0800 The cold is getting to me just a bit as I sit out here (40 degrees, 52 minutes, 12 seconds North by 112 degrees, 14 minutes West in my shorts and Tee-shirt doing e-mail to all my fans back in the world with my laptop and cellular modem as I practice for the Polar Bear. It's "sit back", not "side back" and it's "dust off the foulies and long-undies, get a boat...." -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 3:52 PM Cold is a relative term. Cold by what standard? Isn't skiing cold?, isn't jogging in winter cold? No it will be just fine. It will be a balmy nice day by comparison. I just can't define what I'm comparing it to, summer in Antarctica, winter in Nome? Regardless it will be fun and an adventure. Beside's, only bad asses and crazy people would race in January. I'll leave it to each to make there own determination as to which camp we fall into. Everyone should side back and enjoy how much fun we are going to have! Better yet, dust of the foulies and the long-undies out, get a boat in the water if it's not already and come join us. -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 3:12 PM Golly! Won't it be cold outside? * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Doubek Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 10 Jan 2000 16:16:22 -0700 Not to pummel you all with Sailfish trivia, but my old Sailfish had plastic (nylon?) hoops that clipped around the spars to attach the sail. Well, at least it did after we updated it... originally it had a cotton sail (remember cotton? :) that was lashed to the spars with a continuous length of cotton line. Back to the hoops, I think I've seen these plastic clips on newer dinghy designs so they're probably still available. I never cared for them on the Sailfish because they didn't slide well on my wooden spars. On aluminum they would probably work as Gene describes. For that matter, sturdy, removable wire ties would probably work for a prototype. Paul Doubek Eugene replies: > > What about using hoops as they used years ago. It solves the reefing > problem and makes it possible to lower the sail without leaving the comfort > of your seat. It also would make using a full batten sail a rather simple > matter. I have some old sailing books at home that show some older boats > both sloop and gaff rigs with hoops employed as a method of attaching the > sail to a wood spar. The hoops were made of wood. I'd think that in this > day and age you could fabricate the hoops out of nearly anything, alum. > tubing, fiberglass, etc. etc. My other assumption is that, although not > necessary, your mast would be round (cross sectionally) rather that a more > aerodynamic shape. > > > Kellan Says: -SNIP- > In particular, I'm looking for the best way to attach the sail to a > non-slotted mast (assuming I don't choose a lug configuration). I don't > want to use a sleeve because it, even though it seems to be the simplest > solution, it looks like that would make reefing impossible. I've ordered a > couple of books that I thought would help, (like Bolgers '103 Sail Rigs') > but nothing seems to have specific details. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heidi Solstad Subject: Re: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Correc tion!] Date: 10 Jan 2000 16:11:38 PST I think the Polar Bear Cup would be a great adventure. Alas, I am working= , so can not beg to crew. My boyfriend, Bob, who has sailed to Antarctica in t= he summer and long time resident of the Puget Sound is considering crewing. = He came out to the Yacht Club hosted seminar last Saturday and said you all = were hoping for at least 3 boats. = Who, so far is crazy and bad ass enough? If we had our boat, we would be one of them out there for the Polar Bear = Cup. I would say, we just like to sail, regardless of our rear-ends and mental= status. = Good luck! Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race C Date: 10 Jan 2000 16:48:02 -0800 Confirmed, Tim Adams on Farr & Away (Farr 30), Scott Gillmore and Company on Skedaddle (Capri 30), myself on Highwire (Capri 30). Breck Jensen on CrewX (Ranger 23) is a maybe. That's all I know of right now. Can't speak for the rest but I think I have a full crew. Pray for nice wind (10-20 knots) and perhaps some snow and sleet to make it interesting. The last thing I want is a January inversion. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:12 PM Correc tion!] I think the Polar Bear Cup would be a great adventure. Alas, I am working, so can not beg to crew. My boyfriend, Bob, who has sailed to Antarctica in the summer and long time resident of the Puget Sound is considering crewing. He came out to the Yacht Club hosted seminar last Saturday and said you all were hoping for at least 3 boats. Who, so far is crazy and bad ass enough? If we had our boat, we would be one of them out there for the Polar Bear Cup. I would say, we just like to sail, regardless of our rear-ends and mental status. Good luck! Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race A Date: 10 Jan 2000 17:01:50 -0800 We are working on some awards and a certificate for the winner/s. I think it would be a rather dubious distinction to be the first winner of the first ever Polar Bear cup which will be the first race of the year and for those of us who consider 2000 as the first year of the new millennium the first race of the millennium, century, and decade. A feat not possible for another 1000 years, 100 years, and ten years respectively. Who else is planning on joining us? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:48 PM orrec tion!] Confirmed, Tim Adams on Farr & Away (Farr 30), Scott Gillmore and Company on Skedaddle (Capri 30), myself on Highwire (Capri 30). Breck Jensen on CrewX (Ranger 23) is a maybe. That's all I know of right now. Can't speak for the rest but I think I have a full crew. Pray for nice wind (10-20 knots) and perhaps some snow and sleet to make it interesting. The last thing I want is a January inversion. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:12 PM Correc tion!] I think the Polar Bear Cup would be a great adventure. Alas, I am working, so can not beg to crew. My boyfriend, Bob, who has sailed to Antarctica in the summer and long time resident of the Puget Sound is considering crewing. He came out to the Yacht Club hosted seminar last Saturday and said you all were hoping for at least 3 boats. Who, so far is crazy and bad ass enough? If we had our boat, we would be one of them out there for the Polar Bear Cup. I would say, we just like to sail, regardless of our rear-ends and mental status. Good luck! Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 10 Jan 2000 18:10:20 -0700 At 16:16 1/10/0 -0700, Paul Doubek wrote: ... originally it had a cotton >sail (remember cotton? :) that was lashed to the spars with a continuous >length of cotton line. > >Back to the hoops, I think I've seen these plastic clips on newer dinghy >designs so they're probably still available. I never cared for them on >the Sailfish because they didn't slide well on my wooden spars. On >aluminum they would probably work as Gene describes. It's time to up-grade, Paul - cotton sails and wooden spars! This ain't Maine. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Date: 10 Jan 2000 18:13:35 -0700 At 14:51 1/10/0 -0800, Eugene Morgan wrote: >Beside's, only bad asses and crazy people would race in January. I'll leave >it to each to make there own determination as to which camp we fall into. >Everyone should side back and enjoy how much fun we are going to have! >Better yet, dust of the foulies and the long-undies out, get a boat in the >water if it's not already and come join us. If anyone needs a crew member, I might be willing. I have my own long-johns and foul weather gear. (Can sail, too, and just mentally deficient to go in January.) I remember in the mid-80's breaking a friend's C25 out of the ice to get out sailing. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race A dditional Date: 10 Jan 2000 18:38:05 -0700 On 10 Jan 00, at 17:01, Eugene Morgan wrote the following in regards to: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical : > We are working on some awards and a certificate for the winner/s. I think > it would be a rather dubious distinction to be the first winner of the first > ever Polar Bear cup which will be the first race of the year and for those > of us who consider 2000 as the first year of the new millennium the first > race of the millennium, century, and decade. A feat not possible for > another 1000 years, 100 years, and ten years respectively. > > Who else is planning on joining us? Swan Song will participate *IF* I'm not too busy packing and moving. I'm due in Portland "around February first." ...but if they don't get an exact date for me soon I'm just going to tell them that I can't get there until after the Polar Bear Cup has been decided. ;) Of course my C25 is of little threat to those of you equipped with a chute. But if I'm able I'll bring up the rear. Dave -- David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com A person who has had a bull by the tail once has learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. -- Mark Twain * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Date: 10 Jan 2000 19:14:58 -0700 Eugene Morgan wrote: > > We are working on some awards and a certificate for the winner/s. I think > it would be a rather dubious distinction to be the first winner of the first > ever Polar Bear cup which will be the first race of the year and for those > of us who consider 2000 as the first year of the new millennium the first > race of the millennium, century, and decade. A feat not possible for > another 1000 years, 100 years, and ten years respectively. > > Who else is planning on joining us? I've signed up one other crazy to come out with me on dJinni, J/22 #49. If it's too cold, we'll beg rides on another boat or flake out; we have no cabin heat and not enough cabin to duck into even if we had heat. One more would be a help of Sandy is still looking for a ride. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taciturn Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 10 Jan 2000 20:00:27 -0700 Short and sweet eulogy for a GSL sailor: http://www.sltrib.com:80/2000/jan/01092000/obituari/16347.htm Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taciturn Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News Date: 10 Jan 2000 20:17:32 -0700 And this article from the Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com:80/2000/jan/01092000/utah/16467.htm Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race C Date: 10 Jan 2000 23:03:35 EST Gene, As of now... count Photo Flow in for the : Bad Ass Enough to Brave a Race Day in Jan. Polar Bear Unofficial, Non-sponsored, Please Don't Sue the GSLYC if You Hurt Yourself or Crew Doing This Cool Thing on the Water Cup. ; ) Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kellan Hatch" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Rig Details Date: 10 Jan 2000 22:13:19 -0700 Paul, That's the rig I'm building except I'm putting it on a two-seater (the Mill Creek). I bought a kit for the kayak/main hull but I'm building the rest from plans. The only problem is, CLC's sail kit plans only cover the outriggers, mast step and leeboard. I'm building a rudder and steering mechanism from scratch but as for the sail and rigging, the plans only say, 'we prefer Mark Balogh sails.' There are some very minimal sail diagrams just for scale but no details. Rather disappointing. I contacted Mark Balogh and he thought a balanced lug would be a good way to go. I'm also very interested in Ray Tostado's full batten design. Anyway, thanks for the feedback, Kellan ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 12:52 PM > Kellan, > > Have you checked out Chesapeake Light Craft's sailing rig? It was > documented in WoodenBoat volume 131 (July/Aug '96) or you can see pics > at http://www.clcboats.com. I don't know how they attach or reef theirs, > and I can't tell from the online pics. It looks like they use full > length battens, so rolling it around the mast would be out. Chris > Kulczycki (founder of CLC) seems to think reefing is an important > element in a decent rig, so I would expect this in their rig. They might > be able to give you some good ideas. > > Paul Doubek > > Tom Stout wrote: > > > > Kellan Hatch wrote: > > > > > I don't > > > want to use a sleeve because it, even though it seems to be the simplest > > > solution, it looks like that would make reefing impossible. > > > > Not impossible, you wrap the sail around the mast. The trouble is it's almost > > impossible to do under sail and sometimes requires the removal of the top > > batten. > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kellan Hatch" Subject: (utah-sailing) Speaking of cold... Date: 10 Jan 2000 22:25:10 -0700 Has anyone read Endurance by Alfred Lansing? It's the story of the Shackleton Trans-Antarctic expedition and all of the nastiness that ensued after they became trapped in the ice. If you want some riveting cold sailing reading, you'd be hard pressed to find a piece of fiction to match it. Highly recommended. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) Speaking of cold... Date: 10 Jan 2000 21:46:37 -0800 I couldn't but it down. After reading that I pulled an old National G. from my archives and read the account but was really more interested in the pictures. There's a new version of the book out that includes a ton of pictures. I'm going to pick it up one of these days soon. What an incredible story. When I read it, it set me to thinking about the quality of today's leaders. I really wonder if such people as Shackleton exist today. I question that such people as Shackleton, Lewis, Clark, and Cook will every exist again. Were they products of an age of exploration or were they just astonishing leaders the like of which we shall never see again? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 10:25 PM Has anyone read Endurance by Alfred Lansing? It's the story of the Shackleton Trans-Antarctic expedition and all of the nastiness that ensued after they became trapped in the ice. If you want some riveting cold sailing reading, you'd be hard pressed to find a piece of fiction to match it. Highly recommended. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shane Pollard" Subject: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race A dditional Date: 10 Jan 2000 22:47:47 -0700 This makes me think about the old tradition of the skipper being thrown into the water after a victory!!!!! -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:02 PM A dditional We are working on some awards and a certificate for the winner/s. I think it would be a rather dubious distinction to be the first winner of the first ever Polar Bear cup which will be the first race of the year and for those of us who consider 2000 as the first year of the new millennium the first race of the millennium, century, and decade. A feat not possible for another 1000 years, 100 years, and ten years respectively. Who else is planning on joining us? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:48 PM C orrec tion!] Confirmed, Tim Adams on Farr & Away (Farr 30), Scott Gillmore and Company on Skedaddle (Capri 30), myself on Highwire (Capri 30). Breck Jensen on CrewX (Ranger 23) is a maybe. That's all I know of right now. Can't speak for the rest but I think I have a full crew. Pray for nice wind (10-20 knots) and perhaps some snow and sleet to make it interesting. The last thing I want is a January inversion. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:12 PM Correc tion!] I think the Polar Bear Cup would be a great adventure. Alas, I am working, so can not beg to crew. My boyfriend, Bob, who has sailed to Antarctica in the summer and long time resident of the Puget Sound is considering crewing. He came out to the Yacht Club hosted seminar last Saturday and said you all were hoping for at least 3 boats. Who, so far is crazy and bad ass enough? If we had our boat, we would be one of them out there for the Polar Bear Cup. I would say, we just like to sail, regardless of our rear-ends and mental status. Good luck! Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race A Date: 10 Jan 2000 21:56:46 -0800 Only of if there's lots Champagne to spray on everyone and most of all, to drink! -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 10:48 PM dditional This makes me think about the old tradition of the skipper being thrown into the water after a victory!!!!! -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:02 PM A dditional We are working on some awards and a certificate for the winner/s. I think it would be a rather dubious distinction to be the first winner of the first ever Polar Bear cup which will be the first race of the year and for those of us who consider 2000 as the first year of the new millennium the first race of the millennium, century, and decade. A feat not possible for another 1000 years, 100 years, and ten years respectively. Who else is planning on joining us? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:48 PM C orrec tion!] Confirmed, Tim Adams on Farr & Away (Farr 30), Scott Gillmore and Company on Skedaddle (Capri 30), myself on Highwire (Capri 30). Breck Jensen on CrewX (Ranger 23) is a maybe. That's all I know of right now. Can't speak for the rest but I think I have a full crew. Pray for nice wind (10-20 knots) and perhaps some snow and sleet to make it interesting. The last thing I want is a January inversion. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:12 PM Correc tion!] I think the Polar Bear Cup would be a great adventure. Alas, I am working, so can not beg to crew. My boyfriend, Bob, who has sailed to Antarctica in the summer and long time resident of the Puget Sound is considering crewing. He came out to the Yacht Club hosted seminar last Saturday and said you all were hoping for at least 3 boats. Who, so far is crazy and bad ass enough? If we had our boat, we would be one of them out there for the Polar Bear Cup. I would say, we just like to sail, regardless of our rear-ends and mental status. Good luck! Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darin Christensen" Subject: (utah-sailing) Shackleton Date: 11 Jan 2000 08:16:10 -0700 You can see some photographs from the exhibition at http://www.nationalgeographic.com/explorer/shackleton.html -- ************************************************************* Darin Christensen Owner Victory 21 #195 "Kristoffer's Son" and Santana 525 #61 "Abraxas" email: darinc@sisna.com see the Victory 21 Home Page: http://users.sisna.com/darinc ************************************************************* -- * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race A dditional Date: 11 Jan 2000 11:34:28 -0700 At 18:38 1/10/0 -0700, David Oswald wrote: >Of course my C25 is of little threat to those of you equipped with a >chute. But if I'm able I'll bring up the rear. If it gets reeealllly cold, they can break the ice for your boat! Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kellycpi" Subject: Re: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race Correc tion!] Date: 11 Jan 2000 13:00:08 -0700 I am in for the Polar Bear Cup with Tri-oomph. If there is the rare chance the lake freezes, I can use my Trimaran like an ice boat! I have room for 1 more crew member! Kelly Ragsdale * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup - Offical Notice of Race C Date: 11 Jan 2000 11:57:48 -0800 GREAT!!!!! The more the merrier. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 1:00 PM Correc tion!] I am in for the Polar Bear Cup with Tri-oomph. If there is the rare chance the lake freezes, I can use my Trimaran like an ice boat! I have room for 1 more crew member! Kelly Ragsdale * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diana Goodell Subject: Re: RE: [RE: (utah-sailing) Polar Bear Cup Date: 12 Jan 2000 18:04:59 -0700 With a bit of trepidation, count Pack A Lunch in too. And Gene, remember = you promised a tow! Are you designing "sweatshirts" for the event?=20 Thinking of Shackleton's book - at least we won't desert the main boat and = head off over the ice. I was impressed that, being able to take so little = personal belongs when they did leave their crunching boat, that Shackleton = tore off the front page of a Bible that Queen Elizabeth had given to them. = I'd take my film and camera . . . Diana Salty Chick >>> Eugene Morgan 01/10 5:48 PM >>> Confirmed, Tim Adams on Farr & Away (Farr 30), Scott Gillmore and Company = on Skedaddle (Capri 30), myself on Highwire (Capri 30). Breck Jensen on = CrewX (Ranger 23) is a maybe. That's all I know of right now. Can't speak for the rest but I think I have a full crew. Pray for nice wind (10-20 knots) and perhaps some snow and sleet to make = it interesting. The last thing I want is a January inversion.=20 -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:12 PM Correc tion!] I think the Polar Bear Cup would be a great adventure. Alas, I am working, so can not beg to crew. My boyfriend, Bob, who has sailed to Antarctica in = the summer and long time resident of the Puget Sound is considering crewing. = He came out to the Yacht Club hosted seminar last Saturday and said you all were hoping for at least 3 boats. Who, so far is crazy and bad ass enough? If we had our boat, we would be one of them out there for the Polar Bear Cup. I would say, we just like to sail, regardless of our rear-ends and mental status. Good luck! Heidi ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taciturn Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News & Speculation Date: 12 Jan 2000 18:30:23 -0700 This story is rising its head again. Can't help wonder if this incinerator fallout is related to our Brown Stains, Brown Gunk, Brown Crud, etc. that has been complained about frequently on sailboats at the Great Salt Lake State Marina. Other theories so far tendered by sailors have included MagCorp on the west and Kennecott Smelter to the South. If there is anything to this, sailors may have more to worry about than a fiberglass stain. Take a look at this article from the SL Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/2000/jan/01122000/utah/17127.htm Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kellycpi" Subject: (utah-sailing) Cold Weather Sailing .. Polar Bear Cup... Shackleton Date: 12 Jan 2000 20:02:35 -0700 To All with a warm place to read.. Recently I read a book called "North To The Night" by Alvah Simon that is a modern recreation of Shackleton's journey with the intent of being frozen in the polar ice. Great reading and it will make anyone who thinks the Polar Bear Cup is an endurance contest realize it will be a tropical vacation! "So to speak". Kelly * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Travis Gregory Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News & Speculation Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:52:13 -0700 My vote is for the smelter. If what ever it is spewing out is potent enough to kill all of the tree's on the North end of the Oakers, I am sure it could stain a boat! Taciturn wrote: > This story is rising its head again. Can't help wonder if this > incinerator fallout is related to our Brown Stains, Brown Gunk, Brown > Crud, etc. that has been complained about frequently on sailboats at the > Great Salt Lake State Marina. Other theories so far tendered by sailors > have included MagCorp on the west and Kennecott Smelter to the South. > If there is anything to this, sailors may have more to worry about than > a fiberglass stain. Take a look at this article from the SL Tribune: > > http://www.sltrib.com/2000/jan/01122000/utah/17127.htm > > Pat > "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). -- Travis Gregory Intermountain Sailboats 801 355-5677 See us on the web at: http:/www.isailboats.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Cold Weather Sailing .. Polar Bear Cup... Shackleton Date: 13 Jan 2000 11:38:02 -0700 Another great (Arctic, rather than Antarctic) polar ice yarn is Tristan Jones' "Ice!". Bryant Pratt -----Original Message----- >To All with a warm place to read.. > >Recently I read a book called "North To The Night" by Alvah Simon that is a >modern recreation of >Shackleton's journey with the intent of being frozen in the polar ice. Great >reading and it will make anyone who thinks the Polar Bear Cup is an >endurance contest realize it will be a tropical vacation! >"So to speak". > >Kelly * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News & Speculation Date: 13 Jan 2000 12:12:09 -0700 I don't mean to be an apologist for Kennecott, but the damage to the trees in the vicinity of Kennecott was done many years ago, before the smelter and attendant facilities were modernized. My perception, from being at the marina for ten years, is that the vegetation on the north end of the Oquirrh Mountains has actually improved since the new facilities have been in place. In the spring, it actually looks green up there, rather than the uniform brown it used to be. Bryant Pratt -----Original Message----- >My vote is for the smelter. If what ever it is spewing out is potent >enough to kill all of the tree's on the North end of the Oakers, I am sure >it could stain a boat! > >Travis Gregory >Intermountain Sailboats >801 355-5677 >See us on the web at: >http:/www.isailboats.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: (utah-sailing) Terry Martin's Address Date: 13 Jan 2000 13:53:55 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF5DCD.A2255E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone, Help! I need Terry Martin's e-mail address. I thought that it = would be on the GSLYC web site directory, but it's not. Thanks for the = help. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BF5E08.951083A0-- * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: (utah-sailing) GSLYC Seminars Date: 13 Jan 2000 14:21:03 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF5DD1.6C80ED80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great Salt Lake Yacht Club Presents FREE Sailing Seminars For the tenth year, the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club will present = Introductory Sailing Seminars. These seminars are FREE and open to the = public. Bring your family, friends and neighbors! The seminars will be held on Monday nights beginning January 24, 2000, = at the Salt Lake City Library=92s main branch, 209 East 500 South, in = the third floor auditorium. Seminars begin at 7pm and last about an hour = and a half.=20 Schedule and Topics January 24 - Basic Sail Theory and Boat Types What makes a sailboat go and sailboat types January 31 Sailboat Handling and Nomenclature How to make a boat go and what that thingamajig is called February 7 Sail Trim and Tuning for Speed How to make a sailboat go fast February 14 Knots Bends and Splices=20 Know the ropes and how to hold it all together February 28 Sailing Resources Where to buy, rent, beg or borrow sailboats and equipment March 13 Sailboat Racing on the Great Salt Lake=20 Sailboat racing and how it=92s done on the Great Salt Lake March 27 Cruising on the Great Salt Lake Where to go and what to see on the Great Salt Lake April 3 Boating Safety and Emergencies How to stay out of trouble and what to do when you don=92t April 10 Dinghy Racing on the Great Salt Lake Go-fast-get-wet fun on the Great Salt Lake April 24 Juniors=92 Sailing Program Sailing events and activities for kids 8 through 17 For more information call Bryant Pratt at 262-4243 = (brypratt@inovion.com) or Jeff Thorpe at 487-4030 or 468-2645 = (jeffthorpe@hotmail.com). ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF5DD1.6C80ED80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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For the tenth year, the Great = Salt Lake=20 Yacht Club will present Introductory Sailing Seminars. These = seminars=20 are FREE and open to the public. Bring your family, friends and=20 neighbors!

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January 24 - Basic Sail Theory and Boat=20 Types

What makes a sailboat go and sailboat=20 types

January 31 Sailboat Handling and=20 Nomenclature

How to make a boat go and what that thingamajig is = called

February 7 Sail Trim and Tuning for=20 Speed

How to make a sailboat go = fast

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Know the ropes and how to hold it all=20 together

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Where to buy, rent, beg or borrow sailboats and=20 equipment

March 13 Sailboat Racing on the Great Salt Lake =

Sailboat racing and how it’s done on the = Great Salt=20 Lake

March 27 Cruising on the Great Salt=20 Lake

Where to go and what to see on the Great Salt=20 Lake

April 3     Boating Safety = and=20 Emergencies

How to stay out of trouble and what to do when you = don’t

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April 24     Juniors’ = Sailing=20 Program

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For more information call Bryant = Pratt at=20 262-4243 (brypratt@inovion.com) or Jeff Thorpe at 487-4030 or 468-2645=20 (jeffthorpe@hotmail.com).

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF5DD1.6C80ED80-- * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: (utah-sailing) Re: GSLYC Seminars Date: 13 Jan 2000 14:48:52 -0700 For those of you whose e-mail browsers had trouble reading the GSLYC Seminars notice, here it is in plain text. Great Salt Lake Yacht Club Presents FREE Sailing Seminars For the tenth year, the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club will present Introductory Sailing Seminars. These seminars are FREE and open to the public. Bring your family, friends and neighbors! The seminars will be held on Monday nights beginning January 24, 2000, at the Salt Lake City Library’s main branch, 209 East 500 South, in the third floor auditorium. Seminars begin at 7pm and last about an hour and a half. Schedule and Topics January 24 - Basic Sail Theory and Boat Types What makes a sailboat go and sailboat types January 31 - Sailboat Handling and Nomenclature How to make a boat go and what that thingamajig is called February 7 - Sail Trim and Tuning for Speed How to make a sailboat go fast February 14 - Knots Bends and Splices Know the ropes and how to hold it all together February 28 - Sailing Resources Where to buy, rent, beg or borrow sailboats and equipment March 13 - Sailboat Racing on the Great Salt Lake Sailboat racing and how it’s done on the Great Salt Lake March 27 - Cruising on the Great Salt Lake Where to go and what to see on the Great Salt Lake April 3 - Boating Safety and Emergencies How to stay out of trouble and what to do when you don’t April 10 - Dinghy Racing on the Great Salt Lake Go-fast-get-wet fun on the Great Salt Lake April 24 - Juniors’ Sailing Program Sailing events and activities for kids 8 through 17 For more information call Bryant Pratt at 262-4243 (brypratt@inovion.com) or Jeff Thorpe at 487-4030 or 468-2645 (jeffthorpe@hotmail.com). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TAdams1060@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) polar bear warm-up race ? Date: 13 Jan 2000 23:50:39 EST anyone up for a polar bear cup warmup race this saturday ? the weather forcast sounds great for this event. 11:00 reverse handicap start at j mark and out to meira spit and back ? sponsored by the dead pirates society. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "linda kelley" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News & Speculation Date: 14 Jan 2000 09:46:11 -0700 Larry and I agree, Bry! Linda Kelley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:12 PM > I don't mean to be an apologist for Kennecott, but the damage to the trees > in the vicinity of Kennecott was done many years ago, before the smelter and > attendant facilities were modernized. My perception, from being at the > marina for ten years, is that the vegetation on the north end of the Oquirrh > Mountains has actually improved since the new facilities have been in place. > In the spring, it actually looks green up there, rather than the uniform > brown it used to be. > > Bryant Pratt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Gregory > To: utah-sailing@lists.xmission.com > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) GSL News & Speculation > > > >My vote is for the smelter. If what ever it is spewing out is potent > >enough to kill all of the tree's on the North end of the Oakers, I am sure > >it could stain a boat! > > > >Travis Gregory > >Intermountain Sailboats > >801 355-5677 > >See us on the web at: > >http:/www.isailboats.com > > > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taciturn Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News: Weather & Legacy Compromise Date: 15 Jan 2000 01:20:23 -0700 Tracking the Tricks of Winter's Weather: SL Tribune http://www.sltrib.com:80/2000/jan/01132000/science/17236.htm Legacy Proposal Wins Feds' Nod: SL Tribune http://www.sltrib.com:80/2000/jan/01122000/utah/17158.htm Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Shores/9144 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taciturn Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL News: Brine Shrimp Stories Date: 16 Jan 2000 18:22:26 -0700 Legislature will be asked to allow brine shrimp ponds (SL Tribune): http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/0,1249,145019722,00.html Causeway blamed for shrimp slump (Deseret News): http://deseretnews.com:80/dn/view/0,1249,145019721,00.html? Pat "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: (utah-sailing) A Boating Story for January Date: 17 Jan 2000 08:28:48 -0800 An unconfirmed true story ?? Last summer, down on Lake Isabella, located in the high desert, an hour east of Bakersfield, California, a blonde, new to boating, was having a problem. No matter how hard she tried, she just couldn't get her brand new 22-ft. Bayliner to perform. It wouldn't get on a plane at all, and it was very sluggish in almost every maneuver, no matter how much power she applied. After about an hour of trying to make it go, she putted over to a nearby marina. Maybe they could tell her what was wrong. A thorough topside check revealed everything was in perfect working order. The engine ran fine, the outdrive went up and down, the prop was the correct size and pitch. So one of the marina guys jumped in the water to check underneath. He came up choking on water sputtering and laughing so hard he could barely breath. REMEMBER, this is supposedly TRUE....... Under the boat, still strapped securely in place, was the trailer. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) A Boating Story for January Date: 17 Jan 2000 09:58:21 -0700 That is not so unbelievable. After all, there is a boat ON A TRAILER on Fremont Island. The only way I can think it would have made it out there is to have been blown across the water along with its trailer during one of our lake's freakish storms. On 17 Jan 00, at 8:28, Eugene Morgan wrote the following in regards to: (utah-sailing) A Boating Story for January: > An unconfirmed true story ?? > > Last summer, down on Lake Isabella, located in the high desert, an hour east > of Bakersfield, California, a blonde, new to boating, was having a > problem. No matter how hard she tried, she just couldn't get her brand new > 22-ft. Bayliner to perform. It wouldn't get on a plane at all, and it was > very sluggish in almost every maneuver, no matter how much power she > applied. > > After about an hour of trying to make it go, she putted over to a nearby > marina. Maybe they could tell her what was wrong. A thorough topside check > revealed everything was in perfect working order. The engine ran fine, the > outdrive went up and down, the prop was the correct size and pitch. So one > of the marina guys jumped in the water to check underneath. He came up > choking on water sputtering and laughing so hard he could barely breath. > > REMEMBER, this is supposedly TRUE....... > > > Under the boat, still strapped securely in place, was the trailer. > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). > > -- David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com A person who has had a bull by the tail once has learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. -- Mark Twain * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) A Boating Story for January Date: 17 Jan 2000 13:03:38 EST I spent many days on Lake Isabella as a child and into the teens... And have seen some real dumb things happen on that body of water, but I've never been pulled behind a trailer while water skiing.... If you ever go there, watch out for big rocks and tress out in the middle of the lake... very nasty! * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan Kitts Subject: (utah-sailing) Moon Eclipse Date: 18 Jan 2000 12:07:27 -0700 Though the lights from Kennecott are probably as bad as city lights, the marina may still be a good place to watch the eclipse. Anyone going to be out there? It should start about 7 PM on Thursday, with the total eclipse at about 10:20 PM (there is a SL Trib article in yesterday's paper). I certainly hope the weather will cooperate for this event. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alyxandra K. MacLeod" Subject: (utah-sailing) [Fwd: Eclipse weather] Date: 18 Jan 2000 13:03:05 -0700 This note is from Patrick Wiggins who works for the Hansen Planetarium. I thought since someone else posted about the eclipse I'd forward this to utah-sailing. -------- Original Message -------- Reply-To: p.wiggins@m.cc.utah.edu I've now spoken with Bill Alder at the National Weather Service, Len Randolph at KSL channel 5 and Jodi Saeland at KSTU channel 13 about the weather prospects for Thursday night's eclipse. The news is not good. All agreed that the SLC area will have mostly cloudy skies with the same holding true for any area within a 5 or 6 hour driving radius. Bill Alder is going to take another look at the situation tomorrow but for now it looks like our best bet is to just sit tight and hope a hole in the clouds will pass over during the 1+ hour of totality. Patrick -- Patrick Wiggins Hansen Planetarium Education Department email: p.wiggins@m.cc.utah.edu voice: 801-531-4952 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Doubek Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) [Fwd: Eclipse weather] Date: 18 Jan 2000 15:00:27 -0700 Thanks Jan, for bringing this up. I'm usually aware of these things, and somehow missed this one. Even if you can't dodge the cloud cover, it might be an interesting effect if the cloud cover is thin enough. For the anal-retentive folks on Utah Sailing, here are the specific times for the Salt Lake city area: Total Eclipse of the Moon SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH o ' o ' W111 52, N40 46 Mountain Standard Time Moon's Azimuth Altitude h m o o Moonrise 2000 Jan 20 17:15 63.2 ---- Moon enters penumbra 2000 Jan 20 19:02.9 79.3 17.7 Moon enters umbra 2000 Jan 20 20:01.4 88.1 28.3 Moon enters totality 2000 Jan 20 21:04.6 98.5 39.8 Middle of eclipse 2000 Jan 20 21:43.5 106.1 46.7 Moon leaves totality 2000 Jan 20 22:22.3 115.3 53.4 Moon leaves umbra 2000 Jan 20 23:25.4 136.3 62.8 Moon leaves penumbra 2000 Jan 21 00:24.1 166.6 68.0 Moonset 2000 Jan 21 08:11 295.1 ---- For those of you who don't care... pardon the bandwidth... I know this is off topic for this list. There does seem to be a least some interest. Paul Doubek "Alyxandra K. MacLeod" wrote: > > This note is from Patrick Wiggins who works for the Hansen > Planetarium. I thought since someone else posted about the > eclipse I'd forward this to utah-sailing. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Swigart Subject: (utah-sailing) [Fwd: Research Visit from the U.K.] Date: 20 Jan 2000 00:00:02 -0700 I received this mail (read both attached mailings) from FOGSL who in turn received it from Essex, England. Would anyone like to host this visitor. I thought I'd pass it on to the group at Utah-Sailing. You may contact him directly by responding to his e-mail if you can accomodate him. Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" Friends of Great Salt Lake wrote: > > Terence, > > It is good to hear of your interest in Great Salt Lake. I'm sure we can help > you obtain the samples that you need. There are natural oil seeps at Rozel > Point as well as non-producing oil wells (many are still leaking into Great > Salt Lake). We can probably drum up a volunteer with a small boat to help > collect off-shore samples. Rozel Point is about a three-hour drive from Salt > Lake City, four wheel drive is recommended in wet weather. > > You probably already know that the oil seeps of Rozel Point occur in > Gunnison Bay. Gunnison Bay (often called the North Arm) is separated from > the main body of Great Salt Lake (Gilbert Bay) by a rock-filled railroad > causeway. Consequently the two parts of the lake have significantly > different water chemistry and salinity. > > I will also forward your message to other people in our organization who may > have helpful information, so you may receive more than one reply. > > Kevin Landis > Friends of Great Salt Lake > www.fogsl.org > mail@fogsl.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mcgenity, Terence J [mailto:tjmcgen@essex.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 1:40 AM > To: 'mail@fogsl.org' > Subject: Research Visit from the U.K. > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I am very interested in visiting the Great Salt Lake for the purpose of > scientific research. Trawling through the internet, I noticed your > informative web site, and thought that it would be good to make contact with > you. I am based in the U.K., and currently writing a grant proposal in order > to visit GSL and to carry out research on the samples obtained. My > particular interest is in the taxonomy and ecology of halophilic > microorganisms particularly halobacteria. As well as doing a survey of such > organisms in GSL, I am keen to try to determine the role played by oil seeps > in the food web. A good place to sample, I believe, would be Rozel Point. > > I guess I have two questions with which I hope you can help. > Could I hire a boat to sample the various parts of the North Arm? > Is Rozel Point easily accessible for sampling? > > If you could offer any advice or suggestions of people to contact I would be > very grateful. > > Yours faithfully, > > Terry McGenity > > ********************************************** > Dr. T.J. McGenity > Dept. Biological Sciences > University of Essex > Main Campus > Wivenhoe Park > Colchester > Essex > CO4 3SQ > U.K. > > tel: +44 (0)1206 872120 > fax: +44 (0)1206 872592 > email: tjmcgen@essex.ac.uk > ******************************************** * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Oswald" Subject: (utah-sailing) Transition Date: 20 Jan 2000 00:49:44 -0700 The Utah-Sailing emailing list has been handed over to Cynthia Sorensen; lucyblue@softhome.net, or lucyblue@xmission.com. She sails a Catalina 22 named Moon Shyne. Cyn's qualifications for running the list are a strong interest in sailing, a good background in computers, and experience managing utah-astronomy. If there are any list-based needs please contact her. I will still be around to ask questions, but since I'm moving to Portland in just over a week it was time to pass the baton. As mentioned before, Swan Song will remain on the GSL, sailed by my father. You will see me out there periodically too. I would like to fly home for some of our famous cruises, so keep me informed (via the list). And if anyone knows of a fantastic deal on a C27 near Portland let me know! :) Dave -- David Oswald | doswald@xmission.com A person who has had a bull by the tail once has learned 60 or 70 times as much as one who hasn't. -- Mark Twain * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Transition Date: 20 Jan 2000 18:05:12 -0700 David Oswald wrote: > > And if anyone knows of a fantastic deal on a C27 near Portland let me > know! :) http://www.48north.com/sailsale/sail27-28.htm Silly boy. The sail down from the Puget Sound to Portland sounds fun, let me know if you need crew. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: (utah-sailing) Sailing Seminars Date: 21 Jan 2000 11:05:51 -0700 Want to know more about the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club's upcoming free Sailing Seminars? Tune your radio to AM 630 KTKK on Saturday morning, Jan. 22, at 8:15 a.m. and hear Bryant Pratt discuss the seminars with Brian Brinkerhoff. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Seminars Date: 21 Jan 2000 14:15:00 -0700 Bryant Pratt wrote: > > Want to know more about the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club's upcoming free > Sailing Seminars? Tune your radio to AM 630 KTKK on Saturday morning, Jan. > 22, at 8:15 a.m. and hear Bryant Pratt discuss the seminars with Brian > Brinkerhoff. While driving to the Marina for the Polar Bear Cup! come out and cheer on the participants, even if you're not joining in the fun. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diana Goodell Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Seminars Date: 21 Jan 2000 14:17:19 -0700 Uh, Wes, you may be taking a first on January 22. . . The Polar Bear = Cup is the FOLLOWING Saturday, January 29. Though these blue skies are pretty! >>> Wes Peters 01/21 2:15 PM >>> Bryant Pratt wrote: >=20 > Want to know more about the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club's upcoming free > Sailing Seminars? Tune your radio to AM 630 KTKK on Saturday morning, = Jan. > 22, at 8:15 a.m. and hear Bryant Pratt discuss the seminars with Brian > Brinkerhoff. While driving to the Marina for the Polar Bear Cup! come out and cheer on the participants, even if you're not joining in the fun. --=20 "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters = Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.= com/=20 * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) BLYC Info Date: 21 Jan 2000 17:00:22 EST Would an official rep from the BLYC please contact me at my direct email. Thanks, Terry (GSLYC rep) TMartin316@aol.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pat Swigart Subject: (utah-sailing) GSL NEWS: "Sea Monkeys" Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:07:05 -0700 "Greeks Make Waves Over Sea Monkeys" (Associated Press): http://news.excite.com:80/news/ap/000121/02/int-greece-sea-monkey-spat Pat Swigart "Why bring weather you would rather be in out of up for?" * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sailing Seminars Date: 21 Jan 2000 15:32:06 -0700 Diana Goodell wrote: > > Uh, Wes, you may be taking a first on January 22. . . The Polar Bear Cup is the FOLLOWING Saturday, January 29. Oh, I'm glad you said something. Don't tell my wife; it'll ruin my practice day! > Though these blue skies are pretty! Well, not no more, but I'd still rather be sailing. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: (utah-sailing) GSLYC Sailing Seminars Date: 24 Jan 2000 12:16:52 -0700 Just a reminder that the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club's FREE Introductory Sailing Seminars start tonight (Mnday) at 7:00 p.m. in the third floor auditorium of the Salt Lake City Main Library, 209 E. 500 S, Salt Lake City. Tonight's topic is Sail Theory and Boat Types. See previous e-mail for a complete schedule or reply and I'll send you a schedule. Bryant Pratt brypratt@inovion.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) RE: BLYC Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:01:08 EST Thank you for helping me find the commodore of the BKYC. Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TAdams1060@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) polar bear Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:39:03 EST The Polar Bear is Comming ! * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eugene Morgan Subject: RE: (utah-sailing) polar bear Date: 26 Jan 2000 17:06:29 -0800 YES THE POLAR BEAR IS COMMING!!! I just got the first place prize from the tailor (Jana). It's a first rate polar fleece blanket with polar bears on it and a monogram that say's "Polar Bear Cup, January 29, 2000". In addition, Bry has put together a really nice certificate. I think this race just got serious with prizes like that. Sorry, there will be no beer or coffee mugs awarded for this race. I've loaded my best suit of sails on board, tied a 55 gallon drum to the bottom of Farr & Away and I think I'm ready to go. Also, there will be a pot luck get together after at the Yacht Club. Greta and Gary Record are hosting, so I think we can plan on some hot food and some cold beverages after. PRAY FOR WIND!!!! -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:39 PM The Polar Bear is Comming ! * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Upton Subject: (utah-sailing) Sail Boats Date: 27 Jan 2000 13:10:41 -0700 Hello My name is Jim Upton I'm new to sailing and in the process of looking for a boat(my first). I'm not sure if I want to buy new or used, I want something that I can trailer, between 20 and 30 feet. I would like to find something used if possible. I have been looking at material on the new Hunters and MacGregors( 26). I would appreciate hearing from anyone with a boat for sale or a line on a boat. I would also like some opinions on the Hunter and MacGregor products. MacGregor looks good on their promotional videos but I'm concerned about their quality and their duel purpose set up. Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kimball Sant Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail Boats Date: 27 Jan 2000 15:09:28 -0700 Jim Upton wrote: > > Hello My name is Jim Upton > I'm new to sailing and in the process of looking for a boat(my first). I'm > not sure if I want to buy new or used, I want something that I can trailer, > between 20 and 30 feet. I would like to find something used if possible. I > have been looking at material on the new Hunters and MacGregors( 26). I > would appreciate hearing from anyone with a boat for sale or a line on a > boat. I would also like some opinions on the Hunter and MacGregor products. > MacGregor looks good on their promotional videos but I'm concerned about > their quality and their duel purpose set up. Any advice or information would > be greatly appreciated. > > * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with > * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). I have a friend in Portland, OR that has a McGregor 26X. He isn't happy with it. He says it is a very tender Boat. (difficult to handle in a wind) Check around the GSL Marina for good opinions on boats on the GSL.. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail Boats Date: 27 Jan 2000 16:53:39 -0700 At 13:10 1/27/0 -0700, Jim Upton wrote: >Hello My name is Jim Upton >I'm new to sailing and in the process of looking for a boat(my first). I'm >not sure if I want to buy new or used, I want something that I can trailer, >between 20 and 30 feet. I would like to find something used if possible. I >have been looking at material on the new Hunters and MacGregors( 26). I >would appreciate hearing from anyone with a boat for sale or a line on a >boat. I would also like some opinions on the Hunter and MacGregor products. >MacGregor looks good on their promotional videos but I'm concerned about >their quality and their duel purpose set up. Any advice or information would >be greatly appreciated. There are a lot of questions that you should ask yourself. 1. How are you going to use the boat? Daysail, race, cruise - over night, weekend, week long? 2. How many people are you going to sail with? 3. Where are you going to sail? GSL, mountain reservoirs, travel a long way. 4. What is your sailing experience, skill? 5. How much are you willing to spend? 6. How committed are you to owning a sailboat? 7. How good are you in doing maintenance? If you're new to sailing, I'd recommend heading out to the GSL marina and ask folks to go out for a sail. You'll get lots of 'yes' answers. That way you can sail the different boats and see better what you like. If you're serious on buying a boat, I'd suggest a small, used day sailor. You'll save a lot of money, learn to sail very well, and not be too tied down if you decide that sailing just not for you. You'll probably want to keep the boat even if you get a bigger boat. I kept my dinghy and still sail it a lot. I used it for a weekend cruise on our North End trip last October. For a weekend cruiser, you might consider a used Catalina 22, and old Venture 222, or other older boat. You can get them cheap, they're easy to trailer, and are comfortable enough for a weekend. None of the boats are blue water cruisers (Hunters, Catalinas, or MacGregors) ready for off-shore, but we don't have any off-shore waters (even in the GSL, you're not that far from shore). The GSL storms can dish it out, but I've never had a problem even in my old Venture 17. Both Hunters and MacGregors are fine boats for their particular design purposes. Both have gotten good reviews in Practical Sailor and other magazines. I've sailed a MacGregor 26x in San Fransico Bay on a fairly blustery day (are there any other days there?). I was doubting how this boat would sail as it has a heavy motor on the back end, water ballast, and a very high freeboard. It actually sailed quite nicely and handled the chop well. There are a lot of folks who will tell you how terrible and dangerous they are. Those people have never sailed one. You should read the Practical Sailor review of the boat. I have a copy if you'd like to borrow it. Don't believe the 25 mph motoring speed. Most say they can only go 15 mph when the boat is loaded for cruising. There are a lot of people to swear by Hunters. I haven't had the opportunity to sail one of the new ones - Hint, hint to Hunter owners. There are those who hate them and think Hunters are dangerous. Read the un-official web page of lost rudders on Hunters. You'll here lots of bad opinions on every boat. Don't believe most of them. I don't think that anyone has been in trouble out in the GSL because of their boat. People get in trouble because of themselves. Personnally, I don't like either boat for different reasons that are totally personnal. I don't like the style of the boats. I happen to like the look of more traditional pure sailing boats. The Hunters look too Euro-modern and the MacGregor 26x looks too motor-boatish. Even the Catalinas are getting too modern-looking for me. I guess as I get older, I get more traditional. I certainly wouldn't turn down sailing either, I'd just rather own a different looking boat. My rule for trailer/sailing is: trailer the smallest boat that you are willing to sail - the bigger the boat (though light) the bigger the pain to trailer, set-up, launch, and recover. A lot of people try to trailer big boats and eventually give up trailering and dock the boat. Why get a trailering boat, then? Read Larry Brown's book, Frugal Yachting. It's in the library or I can lend you my copy. There are several other excellent trailer-sailing books. (I have many of them.) Hope this helps; Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TAdams1060@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) Sail Boats Date: 27 Jan 2000 23:51:59 EST IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A TRAILERABLE BOAT I WOULD SUGGEST LOOKING AT THE OLDER MACGREGORS , EITHER THE WATER BALLASTED 26 OR THE SWING KEEL 25. BOTH ARE EXCELLANT BOATS OFFERING EASY TRAILER LAUNCHING , GOOD SAILING PERFORMANCE GREAT INTERIORS FOR THEIR SIZE. I HAVE SAILED EXTENSIVELY ON BOTH BOATS AND FEEL THAT YOU CANNOT BUY A BETTER TRAILERABLE BOAT. MACGREGOR HAS BEEN BUILDING BOATS FOR OVER 30 YEARS SO DONT FALL FOR THE RUMORS OF POOR QUALITY. YOU CANNOT STAY IN BUSINESS THAT LONG BUILDING A POOR PRODUCT. YES THE MACGREGOR IS THE "CHEVROLET" OF SAILBOATS BUT IT WILL GET YOU ANYWHERE YOUR SAILING SKILLS AND DESIRES WILL TAKE YOU AND YOU WILL HAVE JUST AS MUCH FUN AS THE GUY SAILING THE "BMW". THE NEW 26 POWERSAILER IS A NEAT IDEA BUT REALIZE THAT TO MAKE A BOAT PLAY TWO ROLES CAN ONLY BE DONE BY COMPROMISING ITS PERFORMANCE IN BOTH MODES. IF YOU ARE TRULY INTERESTED IN SAILING THE 15K+ YOU WOULD SPEND ON THE NEW 26 WILL BUY YOU A VERY NICE OLDER USED SAILBOAT. ANOTHER TRAILERABLE BOAT WORTH LOOKING FOR IS A MERIT 22 , A HIGH QUALITY SAILBOAT BUILT IN THE 80'S. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH AND COME OUT TO THE GREAT SALT LAKE YACHT CLUB FREE SAILING SEMINARS MONDAYS AT THE DOWNTOWN LIBRARY. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gretha" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) polar bear Date: 28 Jan 2000 03:37:16 -0700 Well I am getting ready to started a pot of chili and some Clam Chowder, I hope there will be a few people around to eat after the race. Come on out and bring a dish I am sure it will be a good time. See you on Saturday Gretha * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Tostado Subject: (utah-sailing) (no subject) Date: 28 Jan 2000 06:19:19 -0800 Catalina 22 mainsail for sale. Ok shape. $125. Rocky * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TMartin316@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) polar bear Date: 28 Jan 2000 12:45:57 EST Greta, Just in case the winds/waves are not Photo Flow friendly, will you deliver the warm chili and chowder to the hungry crew, miles out to sea? (Remember, your sweet husband will be aboard) Catch us w/one of your Hobies! The tip will be awesome! See you after the race at the club house! Tell Gary that Speedo bottoms and tank tops will not be allowed on my Ranger 22 for Sat. We should have a fun water gun battle at the start of the race. The other boats will never suspect it. See all of you other crazies in the morn! Will the fire-ring be lit? Terry * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kellycpi" Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) polar bear follow up Date: 30 Jan 2000 15:36:48 -0700 The sailing hot line is a little dead today. Doesn't anyone have e-mail at home? Or is it church? It's the day after the race and I would like to be the first to say what a fun time it was, even though my boat was always a mile or more away from everyone. (usually behind), and no one voted with me to make "M" mark the finish. Thanks to Eugene Morgan for starting what I hope is a tradition. It was a great day and nice to have a relaxing race. Gene, I think next year we should draw for the rights to move the finish line. Or maybe we could play "musical finish lines". The first prize was very nice and don't get it dirty! I plan on a serious campaign for next year. P.S. We should rename the race the Polar Bear Blankey! Kelly (Tri-oomph) * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) Subject: Re: (utah-sailing) polar bear follow up Date: 30 Jan 2000 16:04:35 -0700 At 15:36 1/30/0 -0700, kellycpi wrote: >The sailing hot line is a little dead today. Doesn't anyone have e-mail at >home? Or is it church? Hey, I'm at work. I played yesterday so I have to work today. I had a great time with Diana's crew and boat. Thanks to them and to Gene for a fun day. It was very ironic that just when we crossed the finish line the wind popped up. The best sailing was back to the dock. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TAdams1060@aol.com Subject: (utah-sailing) Farr 30 for sale Date: 30 Jan 2000 22:30:53 EST Farr 30 , built in New Zealand 1977. Constantly upgraded and in very good condition. - adjustable jib leads -B&G instruments -Harken windward sheeting mainsheet car -custom aluminum tiller -SS hiking bars in cockpit for helmsperson and trimmer -spectra runners and backstay -rod rigging -faired hull and keel -updated elliptical rudder -extensive sail inventory including many specialized sails - reacher , staysails, windseekers, blooper and storm jib -self tailing genoa winches -modern open transom -bright, open interior with good headroom -CD player with inside and cockpit speakers -excellant race record -only $ 14,900 for additional details and info please e-mail tadams1060@aol.com * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryant Pratt" Subject: (utah-sailing) GSLYC Sailing Seminar Date: 30 Jan 2000 20:35:11 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF6B61.818A7DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another reminder that the Great Salt Lake Yacht Club's FREE Introductory Sailing Seminars continue Monday night at 7:00 p.m. in the third floor auditorium of the Salt Lake City Main Library, 209 E. 500 S, Salt Lake = City. 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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF6B61.818A7DC0-- * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gary Topping Subject: (utah-sailing) Depth Sounder Date: 31 Jan 2000 12:23:07 -0700 I have a malfunctioning electronic depth sounder on my Catalina 22. It was on the boat when I bought it and I'm sure the warranty is long expired. Can anybody recommend a local place I could take it to for repairs? * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heidi Solstad Subject: Re: [Re: (utah-sailing) polar bear follow up] Date: 31 Jan 2000 18:08:49 MST Hi all Polar Bears. I have waited to hear a review of the Saturdays race. How many boats? Any= wind? Etc....commentary? One more boat may be coming to the Lake this summer, for fun racing with = ya all. I hope, I hope, I hope! :) Heidi meek@eng.utah.edu (Sanford Meek) wrote: At 15:36 1/30/0 -0700, kellycpi wrote: >The sailing hot line is a little dead today. Doesn't anyone have e-mail = at >home? Or is it church? Hey, I'm at work. I played yesterday so I have to work today. I had a great time with Diana's crew and boat. Thanks to them and to Gen= e for a fun day. It was very ironic that just when we crossed the finish line the wind popped up. The best sailing was back to the dock. Sandy Sanford Meek Dept. of Mechanical Engineering University of Utah meek@mech.utah.edu * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wes Peters Subject: Re: [Re: (utah-sailing) polar bear follow up] Date: 31 Jan 2000 23:41:47 -0700 Heidi Solstad wrote: > > Hi all Polar Bears. > > I have waited to hear a review of the Saturdays race. How many boats? Any > wind? Etc....commentary? > > One more boat may be coming to the Lake this summer, for fun racing with ya > all. I hope, I hope, I hope! OK, it's not done yet, but it's far enough along to let the public look at it: http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr/djinni/PolarBear2000.html Gene, can you email me the race results to incorporate in there? The end is kind of dangling at the moment. I got tired. ;^) If anyone has any good pictures to add, email them to me or I can arrange to borrow prints for an evening and scan them. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ * To unsubscribe send email to majordomo@lists.xmission.com with * the one line body of "unsubscribe utah-sailing" (no quotes).