From: "T.L. Phillips" Subject: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking Date: 02 Feb 1999 17:02:57 PST I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please do. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou & Jim Gostlin Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:51:40 -0700 Hi T.L.! Arches National Park is my very favorite National Park--and I have been to a lot of them! However, there really is not any real good backpacking in that park. The longest regular hike is about 7 miles (it IS a great hike, though). You are not supposed to camp outside the park campground. It is a beautiful campground, but still it is a regular campground, solar power & all. the arches is only about 4 miles from here. Canyonlands is very close by & has some great back country. Canyonlands also has many arches. My choice backpacking trips would be to Angel Arch, Druid Arch or to the "All American Man" (pictograph). You can call 1-800-635-6622 and they will send you TONS of info on the area. In addition to that, we have an information center here in Moab that is really great about helping you plan your trip. I just moved here from Columbus, Ohio (GO BUCKS!) last summer. My daughter & I (a grad student at O.S.U.) and I back packed to Keet Seel in Navajo National Monument. We thought it was great! Navajo N.M. is in northeast Arizona not too far from Kayenta on the Navajo reservation (the big rez). If you go to Zion and want to backpack to avoid the crowds, you would want to concentrate on the northern section of the park--the Kolob section. I haven't been there, but I hear it is nice. "The Narrows" is the most common place to go on a long hike, but can get pretty crowded. Due to the danger of "flash floods" you can not hike the narrows if there is threat of rain because it is a slot canyon. Southeast Utah gets my vote. When we moved here, it is because we'd been to 49 states & southeast Utah is where we liked the best. I still do. Many days I feel like I am living in Mecca. Are you familiar with Edward Abbey & either DESERT SOLITAIRE or the MONKEYWRENCH GANG? This is Abbey country. Does this help? Moab has a web site, but I am not sure what the address is. I think all of the national parks do too. I can get phone numbers for you if you'd like. If I can answer any more questions, let me know. Lou T.L. Phillips wrote: > I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like > to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different > enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am > not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please > do. > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou & Jim Gostlin Subject: [OUTDOORS] to T.L. Phillips Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:55:52 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F417F3795232AFCCC8421598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------F417F3795232AFCCC8421598 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by lasal.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD2A12DE011E; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:58:02 MST7MDT Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 107rTu-0000QV-00 for utahoutdoors-goout@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:51:54 -0700 Received: from [207.170.238.10] (helo=lasal.net) by lists.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 107rTs-0000QO-00 for utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:51:52 -0700 Received: from lasal.net [207.170.238.113] by lasal.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACFF1BA3012C; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:57:19 MST7MDT Message-ID: <36B7ABAB.95EF3031@lasal.net> Organization: Fabrics, etc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <918003777.16281.412@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com Hi T.L.! Arches National Park is my very favorite National Park--and I have been to a lot of them! However, there really is not any real good backpacking in that park. The longest regular hike is about 7 miles (it IS a great hike, though). You are not supposed to camp outside the park campground. It is a beautiful campground, but still it is a regular campground, solar power & all. the arches is only about 4 miles from here. Canyonlands is very close by & has some great back country. Canyonlands also has many arches. My choice backpacking trips would be to Angel Arch, Druid Arch or to the "All American Man" (pictograph). You can call 1-800-635-6622 and they will send you TONS of info on the area. In addition to that, we have an information center here in Moab that is really great about helping you plan your trip. I just moved here from Columbus, Ohio (GO BUCKS!) last summer. My daughter & I (a grad student at O.S.U.) and I back packed to Keet Seel in Navajo National Monument. We thought it was great! Navajo N.M. is in northeast Arizona not too far from Kayenta on the Navajo reservation (the big rez). If you go to Zion and want to backpack to avoid the crowds, you would want to concentrate on the northern section of the park--the Kolob section. I haven't been there, but I hear it is nice. "The Narrows" is the most common place to go on a long hike, but can get pretty crowded. Due to the danger of "flash floods" you can not hike the narrows if there is threat of rain because it is a slot canyon. Southeast Utah gets my vote. When we moved here, it is because we'd been to 49 states & southeast Utah is where we liked the best. I still do. Many days I feel like I am living in Mecca. Are you familiar with Edward Abbey & either DESERT SOLITAIRE or the MONKEYWRENCH GANG? This is Abbey country. Does this help? Moab has a web site, but I am not sure what the address is. I think all of the national parks do too. I can get phone numbers for you if you'd like. If I can answer any more questions, let me know. Lou T.L. Phillips wrote: > I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like > to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different > enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am > not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please > do. > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > - - --------------F417F3795232AFCCC8421598-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:32:54 -0700 (MST) This message bounced... anyone have info on this question? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: ucsar@utah.uswest.net We have a trip planned the end of June that I could use some advice on. We are going to hike Coyote Gulch all the way into Lake Powell. At Powell, we are going to try and have boats meet us with a kayak for each of us to paddle back to Bullfrog. Anyone have any experience doing something like this that could offer some advice? How about anywhere in Utah where we can rent Sea Kayaks (or any kayaks as far as that's concerned)? Thanks, Kevin Dickerson ucsar@utah.uswest.net Pleasant Grove - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Cutler Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:53:45 -0700 T.L., My wife and I are natives of Utah and have spent a few spring breaks in the Arches area. Moab is a great little tourist town with a miriad of things to do just a few miles away. They've got great food and gift shops. Just outside of Moab is the famed Slickrock bike trail. We always run into people not only from all over the country, but also from all over the world when riding that trail. It is a beautiful trail unlike any in the world I am told by many foreigners. There's a 2-mile practice loop for the novice biker, or for a great warm up for the big daddy. Moab has everything you need to get set up for a good bike ride including bike rentals, repair gear, maps, and other bike gear. If you're into climbing there are some good climbs in the area as well. The soft sandstone is not for the novice, but there are a few low rated sport climbs, and a great top rope area. The area has many classic traditional climbs. Protection ranges from the very small to the big dudes. Again Moab has everything you need for climbing too. There are a couple of good climbing shops in town where you can stock up on any extra gear you need, and luckily the price for the local guidebook is really low (I think it's still only 5-6 dollars)! Arches National park is about 10 miles out of Moab with great scenery and some good hiking. It's not much for the serious backpacker, but it does provide beautiful scenery unlike anywhere in the world. Another atraction to the Moab area is the Colorado River. Depending on what kind of a budget you are on you may be able to afford a day or two trip down the river. We have been down stretches of that river 4 or 5 times and I never get tired of it. A great company to go with if you decide to is World Wide River Expeditions. The owner is a friend of my Dad's. His name is Richard Jones. Not too long ago he built a one man row boat and set out to row across the ocean. He's quite the man. The only downfall with the Moab\Arches area is the crowds during spring break. I've never been to Zions over spring break, so I don't know what kind of crowds you are going to run into, but I do know you will run into crowds in Moab and Arches. Hope you have a great stay in Utah. It's a great state! Steve Cutler -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 6:03 PM I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please do. _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Porcaro Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:11:31 -0700 There are some trail descriptions located on the GearReview.com web site in the destinations area. Some of these descriptions are in the southern Utah area and are great trails. The site also has a contest for entering trail or gear descriptions on the site. The prize is a Eureka! Apollo II internal-frame backpack. Jeff Porcaro - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christensen, Robert D" Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell Date: 03 Feb 1999 15:42:28 -0500 Kevin: I've kayaked on the lake once before in the fall (low boat traffic). We rented some sea kayaks from the outdoors department/shop at BYU. They were a sea kayak design, but the sit on top type, with no spray skirt or rudder. However, the hatch could hold a lot of gear, more than a full backpack load. Robert Christensen rchristensen@kpmg.com > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:41:47 -0700 > From: Kevin Dickerson > Reply-To: ucsar@utah.uswest.net > To: utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell > > We have a trip planned the end of June that I could use some advice > on. We are going to hike Coyote Gulch all the way into Lake Powell. > At Powell, we are going to try and have boats meet us with a kayak for > each of us to paddle back to Bullfrog. > Anyone have any experience doing something like this that could > offer > some advice? How about anywhere in Utah where we can rent Sea Kayaks > (or any kayaks as far as that's concerned)? > Thanks, > Kevin Dickerson ucsar@utah.uswest.net > Pleasant Grove > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou & Jim Gostlin Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:36:50 -0700 We have a shop in Moab that can rent you the things you need. Moab is not too far away. Thier toll free phone number is 1-800-733-6007. Their local number is (435) 259-6007. E mail address is cnvoyage@lasal.net & web site is www.canyonvoyages.com. Give them a try. we have rented from them many times! Lou David Kenison wrote: > This message bounced... anyone have info on this question? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:41:47 -0700 > From: Kevin Dickerson > Reply-To: ucsar@utah.uswest.net > To: utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Coyote Gulch and kayaking Powell > > We have a trip planned the end of June that I could use some advice > on. We are going to hike Coyote Gulch all the way into Lake Powell. > At Powell, we are going to try and have boats meet us with a kayak for > each of us to paddle back to Bullfrog. > Anyone have any experience doing something like this that could offer > some advice? How about anywhere in Utah where we can rent Sea Kayaks > (or any kayaks as far as that's concerned)? > Thanks, > Kevin Dickerson ucsar@utah.uswest.net > Pleasant Grove > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOB EISELE Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:31:32 -0800 1. Zion from the I-15 enterance station thru Kolob canyon, La Verkin, then over the top and down into Zion proper is a nice 4 day packpack. Get a book and a map becaue water is scarce. See http://www.GearReview.com/laverkin.asp for a description of the reverse trip. 35-38 miles. Did it with a Girl Scout Troop 4-5 yrs ago. 2. Paria River Canyon is a 3-4 trip through a slot canyon. Comes out near Lee's Ferry. Gets your feet wet, very wet. I've got more info if you want it. T.L. Phillips wrote: > > I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like > to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different > enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am > not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please > do. > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BOB EISELE Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Backpacking Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:31:32 -0800 1. Zion from the I-15 enterance station thru Kolob canyon, La Verkin, then over the top and down into Zion proper is a nice 4 day packpack. Get a book and a map becaue water is scarce. See http://www.GearReview.com/laverkin.asp for a description of the reverse trip. 35-38 miles. Did it with a Girl Scout Troop 4-5 yrs ago. 2. Paria River Canyon is a 3-4 trip through a slot canyon. Comes out near Lee's Ferry. Gets your feet wet, very wet. I've got more info if you want it. T.L. Phillips wrote: > > I am a college student from Michigan, and for my spring break I would like > to goto a national park in Utah. I want to goto a warmer and different > enviroment than I am use to. I was thinking about Arches and Zion but I am > not finding much about any lengthy trails. If any one can help me please > do. > > _______________________________________________________ > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Bluff suggestions Date: 08 Feb 1999 09:15:11 -0700 (MST) This message bounced... any suggestions? -DaveK ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I will be spending about 4 days in the Bluff area in mid May and am looking for suggestions about day trips,hikes,etc.I am especially interested in the area's archaeology and natural history.I've heard good things about Combe Ridge and Butler Wash. I'll be by myself,so nothing too strenuous or overnight on this trip.Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bill Owen William G. Owen Chair and Extension Agent Environmental Education,Community Development Lake County,Ohio 440-350-2264 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou & Jim Gostlin Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Bluff suggestions Date: 08 Feb 1999 09:41:29 -0700 Hi Fellow Buckeye! Hope you will enjoy our new home state of Utah. We love it here! The area around Bluff has some GREAT stuff. A couple of weeks ago we were hiking in Lower Mule Canyon. I can't wait to get back & see South Mule Canyon, North Mule Canyon & Arch Canyon, all practically in the shadow of the Comb ridge. Located on Route 95 between the Mule Canyon Ruins & Comb Ridge. Of course Grand Gulch has a lot of great ruins. I haven't been there yet, but am very anxious to go. We had my little Mustang & we really should have taken my husband's 4WD truck or our son's Jeep. The roads were muddy the day we went there. If you go to the ruins at Butler Wash , from the interpretive sign, go around the fence to the right & down the little canyon. You will cross over a natural bridge before getting to the rim above the alcove where the ruins are. You will see a few hand prints & I think there are some petroglyphs there under the bridge. It is mainly pretty. Also, as you are at the interpretive sign, note the Anasazi "ladder", little toe holds cut into the rock to the left of the ruin. Have you been to Bluff before? It is a beautiful little town. Just south of Bluff on Rt. 191 is Sand Island on the San Juan River. It is the "put in" for San Juan River trips (sure hope we get the permit we put in for!). Look on the cliff with desert varnish. There may be a fence there now. There are lots of petroglyphs on that cliff wall. There are a bunch of kokopellis too. You will also be close enough to go to Hovenweep. If you go, they have a nice campground there and a short hike through the canyon that will take you to some real nice ruins. I got a great book about hiking in this area for Christmas. I will try to "e" you with the info on the book when I bring it from home. Four days is not enough time in Utah. That is why we moved here last summer. We have really been enjoying the winter hiking. I always hated winter in Columbus. Stop in at the fabric shop in Moab if you get up our way & say ,"Hi". David Kenison wrote: > This message bounced... any suggestions? -DaveK > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:35:03 -0500 > To: utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com > From: Bill Owen > Subject: > > I will be spending about 4 days in the Bluff area in mid May and am looking > for suggestions about day trips,hikes,etc.I am especially interested in the > area's archaeology and natural history.I've heard good things about Combe > Ridge and Butler Wash. I'll be by myself,so nothing too strenuous or > overnight on this trip.Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bill Owen > > William G. Owen > Chair and Extension Agent > Environmental Education,Community Development > Lake County,Ohio > 440-350-2264 > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Utah hikes Date: 26 Feb 1999 15:28:30 -0700 (MST) Anyone want to suggest a hike or two? Please reply to the list... DaveK ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have done several of the slot canyons in Utah, i.e. paria, hallscreek, wild horse. But I am now looking for about a 5-7 day hike, where I won't run into other people. Just solitude. Any suggestions? -- Stephen Guye - K7PBX Napa, California - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R Jenkins/S McDonald" Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Utah hikes Date: 26 Feb 1999 20:04:22 -0500 Hikes with solitude for 5 - 7 days. OK, here are our secrets: Upper Paria (the part north of Hwy 89) up past Standing Rock, then over the plateau east to Hackberry Canyon. Lots of side canyon exploring, and in the end of April '94, we went must about 7 days without seeing another human being, except ourselves. And it is nice because it is a loop trip. Way back in 1983, we descended the Sundance Trail into Lower Dark Canyon. Did an 8 nite trip without seeing anyone after the first day. In '88, we went almost 5 days without seeing anyone in the Dirty Devil River canyon, not until we got up to the Angel Springs/Robber's Roost area. Many of our trips have involved week long trips where we went several days without seeing anyone. Roger Roger Jenkins/Susie McDonald ******* New: Check out our Personal Web Site at: http://members.tripod.com/~samraj_outdoors/ -----Original Message----- >Anyone want to suggest a hike or two? Please reply to the list... >DaveK > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:16:04 -0800 >From: Stephen Guye >To: DKenison@Xmission.com >Subject: (no subject) > >I have done several of the slot canyons in Utah, i.e. paria, hallscreek, >wild horse. But I am now looking for about a 5-7 day hike, where I won't >run into other people. Just solitude. Any suggestions? > >-- >Stephen Guye - K7PBX >Napa, California > > > > > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Dickerson Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Utah hikes Date: 27 Aug 1999 20:46:33 +0000 David, I don't have a hike to recommend but a question (as usual). I am planning a 100 mile or so mountain bike ride from Tucker to Palisades reservior past Manti via the Skyline Ridge. We will kayak many of the lakes along the way in homeade kayaks. Anyone have any "must-see" spots or great camping spots you'd recommend? We're planning on 5 days for the trip. Thanks, Kevin -