From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] greetings from Provo Date: 02 Aug 1996 16:37:31 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, John M. Blodgett wrote: > Any Provo area folks here? > Quite a few! But we're all interested, if you have questions or reports on hiking, biking, camping, etc. about any area of the state. David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Grant" Subject: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Date: 05 Aug 1996 11:25:37 -0600 I would be interested in any information people might have to offer about climbing American Forks Twin Peaks starting from Snowbird. I would be particularly interested in answers to the following questions: (1) How much of a factor is snow likely to be this time of year? I haven't been up Little Cottonwood Canyon at all this summer and therefore don't have any idea how much snow is lingering in the area. (2) I think John Veranth in _Hiking the Wasatch_ mentions that the trail that approaches A.F. Twin Peaks along the ridge from Hidden Peak is a little tricky and that it is easier to go up the ridge between the Gad Valley and White Pine areas to a lesser summit and then head east on the summit ridge. Any comments? Chris Grant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Travis Jensen Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Mountain biking around St. George Date: 06 Aug 1996 08:55:26 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, David Kenison wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Travis Jensen wrote: > > > I'm hoping to find some biking trails (mountain biking, that is) > > around St. George (not as far as Brianhead). I just moved to > > St. George and can't find much info on trails around here. > > One caution - it will be VERY hot and dry this time of year; so be > prepared with sunscreen and LOTS of water. This is a great area for > spring and fall rides... use caution in the summer. Actually, when you live here, you learn to get up *really* early in the morning. :) > 3. Warner Valley - easy ride just east of town; start in town for a > 35-mile ride, or drive out and shorten it to 20 miles ride out and > back. See ruins of a pioneer fort built for defense from Indians, > and preserved dinosaur tracks in the sandstone. Easy ride on > maintained dirt and gravel roads; very gradual inclines. I did this one. This is a very easy ride but is good for conditioning. The dinosaur tracks are neat too. You can extend this ride a long way by riding all the way from St. George to Hurricane, which I plan to do when it cools off. I was also able to find out about some other trails as well: Washington Loop: ---------------- A short (6 mile) ride just NW of Washington. This trail is a wonderful combination of singletrack, slickrock, and fast dirt roads. This trail also has dinosaur tracks on it. Intermediate difficulty. Church Rocks Loop: ------------------ This is an even shorter (3 mile) ride that can be extended by riding through about 2 miles of motorcycle trails to the trail head. This trail is about 80% slick rock and is truly a *blast*. This trail is located near the Hurricane exit. If you are familiar with the area, after you pass the Hurricane exit you pass through a cut in a ridge and a wash passes under the freeway (They build a new water tower on that ridge this year). The trail starts there (at the bottom of the wash) on the north side of the freeway. Advanced Intermediate difficulty. Dutchman Loop: -------------- This is a nice ride south of the Washington Fields (it is actually in Arizona). The ride is an easy 9 mile ride that loops around some old four-wheel drive roads. This is a nice family ride or a good conditioning ride. You can take a short spur to see some petroglyphs at Little Black Mountain. The BLM has put up info on this. You can extend this ride by 10 miles if you approach the loop from another way, but it is still an easy ride. Beginner difficulty. I have actually found out about more trails than this. I just haven't had a chance to get out and ride all of them yet (*sigh* I slept in this morning, so I missed my chance to go ride another trail I found out about :( ). If you want precise directions to any of these trails, let me know and I will fill you in. Cheers. Travis travis@inquo.net **Travis Jensen** http://www.inquo.net/~travis "I don't think you realize how much | the other animals are laughing at | "Yup, yup, yup!" -- Ducky you." --Dutchess | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Clements Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Date: 06 Aug 1996 13:45:58 -0600 Chris, I climbed American Fork Twin Peaks last summer with a few friends. We went in the second week of August, and snow wasn't an issue. There was still quite a bit of it up there in places and we had fun sliding down some big snow fields, but it didn't get in the way at all. If you've got some experience hiking then I wouldn't be concerned about taking the trail from Hidden Peak. It has some exposure, but it's really not too bad. Just be careful about what's underfoot and which way you're leaning. And make sure everything on your pack is secure. One guy in our party had his sleeping bag come unfastened from his pack while standing on the ridge. It fell and rolled several hundred feet down the south side before stopping. I'm still laughing about it, but he didn't appreciate the detour to go retrieve it. One more thing to be aware of: camping isn't allowed anywhere in the area that is considered part of the Snowbird ski area. This isn't an issue if you're planning a day hike, but if you're doing an overnighter then you'll need to plan to get somewhere outside the area before nightfall. When I went up there last summer we started at Silver Lake in American Fork and camped west of Twin Peaks. The next morning we summitted the peak and then continued on east to Snowbird. Brad > > I would be interested in any information people might have to > offer about climbing American Forks Twin Peaks starting from > Snowbird. I would be particularly interested in answers to > the following questions: > > (1) How much of a factor is snow likely to be this time of > year? I haven't been up Little Cottonwood Canyon at all this > summer and therefore don't have any idea how much snow is > lingering in the area. > > (2) I think John Veranth in _Hiking the Wasatch_ mentions > that the trail that approaches A.F. Twin Peaks along the > ridge from Hidden Peak is a little tricky and that it is > easier to go up the ridge between the Gad Valley and White > Pine areas to a lesser summit and then head east on the > summit ridge. Any comments? > > Chris Grant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Covington Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Date: 06 Aug 1996 13:16:10 +0800 Please omit me from your mailings.... While I do come to Utah to fish I am not a hiker except to get to a fishing site and I don't camp, nor do I mountain bike (I am not keen on the ecological impact that they have on the mountain' flora and fauna). There is nothing wrong nor am I angry with your program, we just appear to be on different wavelengths and many years apart in age! Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Leaving the list Date: 06 Aug 1996 14:34:07 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Rick Covington wrote: > Please omit me from your mailings.... For anyone who needs to be removed from the list, please try to do it yourself by sending a message to "majordomo@xmission.com" with the words "unsubscribe UtahOutdoors" (without quotes) in the message body. Or visit the web page, which has a form you can use to do the same thing. http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/outd/ David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nr12@cornell.edu (Nicole Doria-Rose) Subject: [OUTDOORS] dayhikes Date: 07 Aug 1996 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) My husband and I will be in Salt Lake City for two days at the end of August and are looking for good day hikes in the area. Any suggestions? Thanks! - Nicole Doria-Rose ........................................................ Nicole A. Doria-Rose Go Big Red! nr12@cornell.edu 360 Biotechnology Building Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 fax (607) 255-2428 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John M. Blodgett" Subject: [OUTDOORS] seeking Wallsburg info Date: 07 Aug 1996 17:17:25 -0700 I'm planning on putting together a documentary story on the town of Wallsburg. I'm looking for any kind of information, such as: 1) individual stories, experiences, anecdotes, etc. 2) people who live here, what they do, etc. 3) known resources for information (books, guides, etc.) 4) town history (where its been, where its going) 5) enter your thoughts here The above will be used for background research and serve as guidance for my story. Feel free to email me directly or refer my name and number and/or email to parties who may be able to provide information. Thanks for your help. John Blodgett Staff Photographer The Daily Herald Provo, UT (801) 344-2585 jmb@lvinet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] seeking Wallsburg info Date: 07 Aug 1996 17:18:45 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, John M. Blodgett wrote: > I'm planning on putting together a documentary story on the town of > Wallsburg. I'm looking for any kind of information, such as: This request is not really related to the topic of our list. If anyone wants to respond, please do so directly to John and not to the list. David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jones Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Date: 09 Aug 1996 17:31:36 +0200 > Any comments? Yeah, I'd like to hear how it goes. I get back to provo in 3 weeks and I plan on doing a few days in that general area to celebrate my return to utah mountains and I'm interested in what you thought of it all. Of course, you were probly planning on posting a trip report anyway and that would be good enough ;) cheers, mike. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jones Subject: [OUTDOORS] provo canyon fires? Date: 09 Aug 1996 17:44:36 +0200 I saw mention of fires in provo canyon in a paper that I read on the internet. Anyone want to fill in the details? cheers, mike. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] provo canyon fires? Date: 09 Aug 1996 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Michael Jones wrote: > I saw mention of fires in provo canyon in a paper that I read on the internet. > Anyone want to fill in the details? The first fire started early this week just above Novell (WordPerfect) in the foothills above northeast Orem. It spread from there north and west throughout most of the lower foothills, at one point threatening the homes in the area. Then it started east, further up Provo canyon; and crossed over to the lower part of Timp itself. The fire was started by two teenage boys playing with a lighter. Apparently another (smaller) fire started further up the canyon near the Canyon Glen picnic area. As I look out my office window today at Timp, I see lots of black hills, but not much smoke. Thank goodness - it's been pretty hard to breathe around here lately! I drove up the canyon on Wednesday, and the fires were as far up as the Bridal Veil Falls area, but on the other (north) side of the canyon, above the pipeline. I think they're mostly contained by now. It's been fun to watch the helicopters with water buckets and airplanes with flame-retardant drops; but it's sad to see the loss. Just hope there's not too much erosion when the rains come. David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Benson Parkinson Subject: [OUTDOORS] Fires in Wasatch oak and pines Date: 09 Aug 1996 14:28:17 -0700 (MST) David Kenison wrote of the Provo Canyon fires: | It's been fun to watch the helicopters with water buckets and airplanes | with flame-retardant drops; but it's sad to see the loss. Just hope | there's not too much erosion when the rains come. My favorite childhood hiking spot east of Ogden was burned in a fire about 5 years ago. It's been surprising how fast and well it's come back. Scrub oak and maple seem to be fire-adapted, which thing I never had supposed. There was another, smaller fire on the same mountain when I was a kid (25 years earlier). That grew back well too. My whole life I remember that being the thickest thicket of scrub oak (and poison ivy too probably) on the mountain, with these long carcasses of the older burnt trees sticking out. Finally in recent years it reached maturity and thinned out. The mountain seems no worse for wear. In another area near here a fire got into some ancient white pines. I haven't been right up to the site in a few years, but from a distance (a mile, say) there's no indication any of the pines are returning. Ben Parkinson byparkinson@cc.weber.edu Ogden, Utah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Benson Parkinson Subject: [OUTDOORS] "17 Year Locust" Wanabes Date: 09 Aug 1996 14:35:14 -0700 (MST) Speaking of scrub oak, this year for a period of about 3 weeks in June, whenever you got near them east of Ogden you'd hear a loud clicking. On closer examination, you would discover a big, inch long cicada on every major branch, maybe 2-5 to a tree. My wife and I collected one and looked through a bug book. The closest match was the 17 Year Locust, which lives back East--though these critters have red eyes. We thought it a strange coincidence, since we'd read that the 17 Year Locust were out this year. Did anyone else notice these? I'm wondering how widespread they were. I noticed them as high in Beus's Canyon as the oaks go. A mountain biker friend saw them all up and down the Lake Bonneville Shoreline Trail east of Ogden, from Weber to Ogden Canyons. Ben Parkinson byparkinson@cc.weber.edu Ogden, Utah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Forest fires Date: 09 Aug 1996 15:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Since this topic came up, I thought I'd share this explanation of forest fires, and sagebrush fires, from a botanist's point of view. If you're not interested, just delete it; I found it quite insightful. This was sent to me by a friend who's a PhD candidate in botany at UC Berkeley... DaveK ---------- Forwarded message ---------- After a fire, the landscape changes back to its prefire condition in successive stages. In Yellowstone and other lodgepole pine woodlands, the grasses and other herbaceous plants will spring back the next spring, and so on for a few years. At the same time, sun-loving shrubs spring up. Also at the same time, the lodgepole seedlings released by the fire are germinating and slowly growing up. After so many years they will close over the canopy and shade out the grasses and sunloving shrubs. By then shade-tolerant understory vegetation will start growing, like Vaccinium scoparium, which is the abundant understory plant, ankle to shin high, throughout the Uintas. About the same time the lodgepoles will start crowding each other out, and some will start dying due to moisture / nutrient competition in the root zone. A new crop of lodgepoles will also start growing in canopy gaps, for not all lodgepole seeds are fire-dependent. Simultaneously douglasfir will start to grow, and some firs, too-- for these trees can germinate only in shade. Unlike lodgepoles, whose distinct trunk is bare of branches, firs and young douglasfirs have the typical "Christmas tree" shape, ie progressively smaller lateral horizontal branches from the soil surface to the shoot apex. As they grow higher and higher into the lodgepole canopy, they create the conditions for a crown fire-- ie a fire which can "ladder" from the soil surface into the canopy or crown, and take out everything. Meanwhile, lodgepoles continue to die and their trunks pile up on the forest floor. That's the fuel load. It's all set to go. Enter Homo politicus. Fire must be prevented. Fire is suppressed. But for how long? Not for too many decades. Those fir/dougfir ladders, all that fuel load building up year after year, a dry spring and drier summer, then a bolt of lightning and FLASH! Nothing can stop it. Witness the Yellowstone problems. When a forest burns, certainly the life forms there suffer from fire, for the system is not set up for it. Equally, the life forms in the lodgepole forest suffer without fire, for they need it from time to time. In the case of the lodgepole woods, where do you think the deer and elk do their grazing/browsing? Not in the understory of an "old growth" lodgepole woodland, where only Vaccinium scopairum grows. They do most of their feeding in open areas of grasses, forbs and shrubs-- those temporary gaps, sunny for a few years, created by fire. As for sagebrush, a similar successional pattern obtains, only on a smaller less complicated scale. Sagebrush contains volatile terpenoids which not only explode upon ignition, but also supress the growth of nearby plants. These terpenes are in the leaves. The leaves, when they fall and die, release those terpenes into the soil. There they depress the growth of other plants. It reduces competiton for water, so it's a form of biological warfare. It's called allelopathy, and it is a fairly common phenomenon in the plant kingdom-- especially in arid to semiarid areas, where water is in scarce supply. Sagebrush does it. So does creosote down in the Arizona-Sonora desert, only with different chemicals. So do the eucalypts in Australia. The list goes on and on. When a sage steppe burns, the allelopathic chemicals all volatilize away in the heat and fire. Then the grasses can come back in full force. But eventually sage will return, as seeds are blown back into the burned area. Seedlings will grow higher and higher and start to crowd out the grasses. If the conditions are right-- usually in slightly higher elevations and rockier soil, finally pinyon pine and juniper will move in and crowd out even the sage, and leave hardly anything in between. Take a stroll thru a pinyon-juniper woodland sometime and count the different kinds of plants there. You can do so on the fingers of one hand. Well, that's exagerration, maybe, but not much exagerration. The indians recognized the value of grasslands for game, so they often set fire to sage steppes and PJ woodlands, and hunted there in successive decades until the place was ready to burn again-- that is, if lightning didn't do the job for them first. So there you have it. Ecological succession in a nutshell. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Grant" Subject: [OUTDOORS] Trip Report: A.F. Twin Peaks Date: 10 Aug 1996 17:58:20 -0600 "The guy catches one fish, and he turns into Ernest Hemingway." --Norm Peterson, about Cliff Clavin This morning I did a solo (tsk,tsk) hike up American Fork Twin Peaks, starting from Snowbird. I wanted to see what sort of shape I'm in for a backpack trip in the Uintas that listowner Dave Kenison and I (and several others) will be doing in a week and a half, and since I'm interested in the county highpoints, I thought I'd give Salt Lake County's highest point a try. I arrived at Snowbird at 7:15 am--a little later than I'd hoped, but isn't that the way it always works? After reading up on the various routes to the top and getting some input from UtahOutdoors subscribers, I had decided to try the route that goes up White Pine Ridge, which demarcates the west boundary of the ski resort. The route starts at the base of the Mid-Gad chair lift at 7850 feet and follows service roads almost to the top of the Gad II chair lift at 9800 feet. Twin Peaks was visible from the trailhead and seemed quite close. (But just like Sir Lancelot in his charge on the castle in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", I didn't seem to be drawing any closer until I was almost there.) Snowbird in the summertime is beautiful before the sun comes up (and not too shabby afterwards). I made it to the top of Mid-Gad (9100 feet) by 8:00 and approached the top of the Gad II lift by 8:30. From there, John Veranth in _Hiking the Wasatch_ says you have a steep bushwhack up 400 feet to a saddle on the White Pine Ridge, where you can overlook White Pine Canyon. I'm not sure why it's called a "bushwhack" when there are no bushes to whack. Veranth says you have a choice of doing this part of the trip on "either grassy slopes or forested boulders." I didn't see much of a choice; it looked like there was no way around doing the bottom half of this part on a boulder field and the top half on steep grassy slopes. Maybe I didn't leave the road soon enough. Anyway, I made it to the overlook on the ridge by 9:00 and made it south along this ridge (what I've called White Pine Ridge) to where it hits the summit ridge (at 11,360 feet) by 9:35. This segment was not exactly a cakewalk. Some of it might properly be termed scrambling, although there probably would have been less of that if I had been better at route-finding. From this low summit on the summit ridge, it was a fairly easy walk up to the main summit of A.F. Twin Peaks (11,489 feet) by 9:50. (Note that this last piece is pictured on p. 192 of _Hiking the Wasatch._) The north-facing slope of the summit ridge here is a vertical drop of 2-400 feet, so watch where you're going and move down the gentle south-facing slope a little bit if it makes you feel more comfortable. Veranth estimated the one-way time to the top on this route for "experienced hikers in good physical condition" at 4 hours 20 minutes. I wouldn't say that I'm in good physical condition, but I have the ability to push myself. My pace felt moderately fast to me. I rested 10 minutes or so at the top and had a snack. Just like the summit of Mt. Nebo did, the summit here had more flies than I would have liked, so I moved on to the other of the Twin Peaks (11,433 feet) by 10:15. From here I could see the "knife-edge" ridge from Hidden Peak, which is apparently the more standard way up Twin Peaks. I had chickened out of coming up that way because Veranth describes it as "exposed scrambling", and I've developed a fear of heights as I've gotten older. But it didn't look too terribly bad from the top, so I decided to try to go down that way and to turn back if it got too dicey. In 15 minutes I had descended about 600 feet, using my hands a lot for balance. I guess technically this section qualifies as "exposed" but it seemed relatively minor to me. I had to go slow in a couple of places, but it wasn't really scary. At this point I looked at the rest of the ridge ahead, and couldn't make out for sure where the Gad Valley Trail left the ridge. (According to my maps, it's supposed to do so before you get to Hidden Peak.) I looked down and saw a couple hundred feet of moderately-sloping talus and scree and decided to give that a try. In about 15 minutes I had made it down to the trail. From there it was a little over an hour back to the trailhead. Here's some miscellaneous items I couldn't fit in my narrative: (1) BUGS. Besides the flies on the summit, they weren't bad at all. I didn't see any mosquitos and didn't use any repellent, but it looks like one of them snuck up on me, since I've got one bite on my forearm. (2) SNOW. There was hardly any at all, and none that I had to walk across. There was a small snowfield at the base of the summit cliff, and a couple of small drifts beside the trail, suitable for collecting snowballs to put under one's hat. (3) WATER. There's a very small creek near the Gad II lift that you can cross using stepping stones, or maybe just by jumping. The service roads were *very* dusty. (4) ANIMALS. I saw two deer, one on the way up and one on the way down. They didn't seem too frightened of humans. Also, there was a big marmot on the summit that ran away when I approached. (5) PEOPLE. I didn't run into any on the trail until I was about halfway back down. There were maybe 10 or so people climbing to the top of the tram for lunch or something. I think they bit off more than they could chew. When I was on top, I saw one person standing on a summit on a ridge leading south from Twin Peaks. A minute later, he was gone and he never came my way. Of course, at Snowbird you never feel very isolated with all the obvious signs of man around. Clear up on top, I could hear someone speaking on a loudspeaker down near the lodges. (6) TRAIL MARKINGS. With all the landmarks along the way, it would have been nearly impossible to get lost on this trip, but I did want to stick to my planned route. At the start, I felt a little like I was at Disneyland, since there were little maps with "You are Here" markers on them at many points along the way. Up near the top of the Mid-Gad lift they were a bit, misleading, however. Just before you get to the Mid-Gad restaurant, the road forks. Was this where I wanted to "choose the right" and leave the Gad Valley Trail to take the "Gad II Trail"? It wasn't clear, so I headed up the left fork towards the restaurant. After a bit I saw a map that indicated that, yes, I had just passed the Gad Valley/Gad II fork, but the "You Are Here" sticker said I was *on* the Gad II trail! I didn't think that could be right so I went back and took the right fork, which turned out to be, well, the *right* fork. Hike: American Fork Twin Peaks from Snowbird Length: ~8 miles (round trip) Time: 4 hours 40 minutes (round trip) Altitude at top: 11,489 feet Elevation Gain: 3639 feet Chris Grant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Timpanogos Date: 12 Aug 1996 16:11:00 -0600 (MDT) I did my annual (at least) Timpanogos hike on Saturday. It's a pretty familiar hike to most Utah hikers, so I won't go into detail, other than to say we went up Timpanookee and down Aspen Grove, that there were about 23,500 other people on the mountain that day, and to make these two observations: 1. The wildflowers on the Timpanookee side, surrounding the Timp Basin, are spectacular this year. The mix of colors was breathtaking, and I'm looking forward to some good enlargements. 2. The mountain goats are doing well! When we spotted a herd higher up on the basin, lounging in a snowdrift, my brother-in-law and I decided to see how close we could get. We approached carefully and quietly, and though they kept a close eye on us, they weren't concerned until we were about 15 feet away. More great photos! We counted 21 in the herd, with 2 young kids. Seems like I remember reading something about possibly hunting permits for these animals. I hope that's not true - they'd lose their tolerance of human presence in a hurry. Anybody know for sure? David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Porcaro Subject: [OUTDOORS] High Uintas Date: 12 Aug 1996 17:23:06 -0600 I recently returned from a trip to Naturalist basin as well as Four Lakes basin the the High uintas. The Trip was great, except for the bugs. I am planning to go on a trip to Buckskin gulch in late september and would like to know if anyone has gone there. I also have set up a page that chronical my trips that I take. The URL is http://weber.u.washington.edu/~johnpo/jporcaro/bkcntry.htm Jeff Porcaro Jporcaro@corel.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sclarke@vt.edu (Steven W. Clarke) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Re: High Uintas Date: 12 Aug 1996 23:28:47 -0400 Hi. I live in southwestern Virginia and am planning a trip in the high Unitas in October. Planning on starting at East Fork - Blacks Fork hiking the Eest Fork Blacks to Red KNob Pass, west to Gunsight Pass (near Kings Peak and than back via Bear Lake and Lake Hessie. Was wondering what I can expect as far as waether. I'll be there from October 14th - 21st. Thanks for the info. peace SWC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ldb@infowest.com Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Re: High Uintas Date: 12 Aug 1996 21:03:06 -0600 SNOW ! ============================== At 11:28 PM 8/12/96 -0400, you wrote: >Was wondering what I can expect as far as waether. I'll be there from >October 14th - 21st. >SWC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Re: High Uintas Date: 13 Aug 1996 05:59:01 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 ldb@infowest.com wrote: > SNOW ! > That late in the year (mid October), the weather in the Uintas is quite unpredictable. Wait to see a forecast when you get closer to the date; but prepare for the worst - conditions can change rapidly. Unless you're a very experienced winter hiker, don't expect to go very far into the back country that late. Then again, we could have unseasonably warm weather and you could have delightful conditions! David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] High Uintas Date: 13 Aug 1996 06:06:41 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Jeff Porcaro wrote: > I am planning to go on a trip to Buckskin gulch in late september and > would like to know if anyone has gone there. I hiked into Paria/Buckskin twice last summer. On both occasions, we started at the White House campground and hiked down Paria to the confluence, then up Buckskin Gulch. There are also a number of routes which start higher up in Buckskin Gulch itself. You can see reports of the area on the UtahOutdoors homepage. It's a spectacular hike - you'll love it. > I also have set up a page that chronical my trips that I take. > The URL is > > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~johnpo/jporcaro/bkcntry.htm Nice work, Jeff. I'll add this to the UtahOutdoors links! David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sclarke@vt.edu (Steven W. Clarke) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Utah Backbacking Date: 13 Aug 1996 10:55:46 -0400 Any suggestions of nice places to take a four or five day backbacking trip in southern or northren Utah October 14-21 that will not have alot of snow and cold. I've done alot of witer hiking, but i'll be by myself aand don;lt want to chance bad conditions. peace SWC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nr12@cornell.edu (Nicole Doria-Rose) Subject: [OUTDOORS] more about dayhikes Date: 13 Aug 1996 11:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Still looking for dayhikes - thanks to David for asking for specifics! I fear we are not as experienced or in as good shape as our fellow listserv-folk. Also, we will have only one day to get used to the altitude. Our Utah hiking experience in the past consists of: taking the tram up Snowbird and hiking down, and one backpacking trip (with experienced hikers) in the High Uintas. We will be staying either in SLC or Provo (friends of friends, you know...) and would prefer driving an hour or less. A hike of six or seven miles round trip max I would say. I would like a goal - a waterfall, a panoramic view. I picture hiking up for a few (3?) hours, having lunch, hiking down. Where are the wildfires I see on the news? I have been reading all about Mt. Timpanogos here and on a Web site - is this area affected? (If not, can we hike it in a reasonable amount of time?) Thanks to any and all who have suggestions! - Nicole ........................................................ Nicole A. Doria-Rose Go Big Red! nr12@cornell.edu 360 Biotechnology Building Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 fax (607) 255-2428 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Porcaro Subject: [OUTDOORS] Utah Backbacking -Reply Date: 13 Aug 1996 09:27:09 -0600 I would Suggest looking into Grand Gulch in Southern Utah. It is a primitive area located south east of Blanding and contains a great amount of Anasazi ruins and artifacts. The temperature should be ideal. There are a few different routes that would be good. There are some different internet sources that discuss the hike. Jeff Porcaro Jporcaro@corel.com ================================================== >>> Steven W. Clarke 08/13/96 8:55am >>> Any suggestions of nice places to take a four or five day backbacking trip in southern or northren Utah October 14-21 that will not have alot of snow and cold. I've done alot of witer hiking, but i'll be by myself aand don;lt want to chance bad conditions. peace SWC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] more about dayhikes Date: 13 Aug 1996 09:46:20 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, Nicole Doria-Rose wrote: > Where are the wildfires I see on the news? I have been reading all about > Mt. Timpanogos here and on a Web site - is this area affected? (If not, > can we hike it in a reasonable amount of time?) I'll give you more info on other hike options later, but a few comments on this. The fires last week burned along the foothills west of Timp, and burned partly up the southwest face. But the normal hiking routes are far away from those areas, so you won't be affected. Based on your description of your experience and fitness, the Timp summit would be fairly strenuous for you. It's long and HOT this time of year. I've made it up and back, hiking alone, in less than 5 hours; but last weekend, hiking with others who had some knee problems and limited stamina, it took more than double that. However, you can have a delightful hike without going all the way to the top. It's recommended you start early and get down before the heat of the afternoon, if possible. Jeff Porcaro posted his URL earlier; he has basic descriptions of the two commonly-used trails. David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jones Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] more about dayhikes Date: 13 Aug 1996 17:05:49 +0200 > miles round trip max I would say. I would like a goal - a waterfall, a > panoramic view. I picture hiking up for a few (3?) hours, having lunch, > hiking down. Nicole: I can think of 4 hikes that fit those parameters. They are sort of in the Utah county area. These are in order of decreasing "reccomendedness" My personal #1 recommendation comes first etc. 1. Silver lake flat to upper silver lake (and beyond). Realy beuatiful and relatively unknown walk up in American fork canyon. Oh wow this is a beautiful walk. I did this a year ago with some participants at a research conference my lab at BYU hosted (did you know Mark Aagard in Comp. Sci at Cornell? he was one of them, although he could have ran to the top and back, the rest of us made it too :) ) and we did just fine. Details found in John Veranth's "Hiking the Wasatch" available at REI in Orem (and SLC I'm sure) and on the web at GORP. You'll gain some altitude on this walk but its not too bad. My non-hiking cousin and backcountry-queen sister and I made it easily to the first lake in 1/2 a day. If you've got the time and inclination, don't stop at the first lake, carry on to the upper lake and perhaps the ridgeline. Both are well-worth the effort. There's no trail past lake #1, but its not hard to routefind. 2. Aspen Grove to Emerald Lake. I can't remember the exact distances, but you start from the aspen grove traihead and walk to emerald lake. If you do this on a weekend, you'll meet 1,000,000 people from Utah and Salt Lake counties ranging from puffing over-weight men wearing flip-flops that leave you wondering "how on earth did he get here?" to googly-eyed BYU (its obvious to the trained eye) couples out for a date to smelly backpackers descending after a few days in the wilderness. People watching on this trail can be 1/2 the fun on a holiday weekend. Its still a nice walk though. Lots of altitude, relitively steep. This is covered fairly well in the website I think. I can't remember. 3. Grove Creek Canyon to Fisher Flat. Starts low and doesn't get that high, no crowds and no real destination at the end. I found this walk in Michael Kelsey's "Hiking and Climbing Utah's Mt Timpanogos". Michael Kelsey is not human and I don't believe anything he says about trail difficulty but he knows where the trails are. You can make this into a loop by heading south to then west out of Battle Creek canyon and back to the north via a dirt road to your car. (Take a good map, there's lots of trails and roads in the flat and can get confusing). 4. Y mountain summit. Steep climb, crowded for about 1/2 the trip, trail for 3/4 of the trip, beautiful view from the top. Sort of a long-ish dayhike but the view from the top(s) are nice. The western summit sports a nice look into Provo and eastern looks back into Provo, Lightening and cascade peaks. 5. Rock canyon campground to "that ridgeline behind it". Rumored to be the steepest trail in Utah county, no crowds, stupendous view, remote trailhead. After driving behind squaw peak, park at rock canyon campground and walk along the dirt road till you see the trail. Head left and up till your heart's content. > (If not, can we hike it in a reasonable amount of time?) I don't think the fires have affected Mt. Timp. hiking. Like 80% of population in Utah county, I too have hiked to the summit of Timpanogos in a day. And every time I do it, I swear I'll never do it again in one day. Its a long walk for one day unless you are realy fit. But its a classic. hope that helps, I didn't put in a lot of detail on how to find trailheads and etc. drop me a line if you'd like more detail, I'll send what I can. Best bet is to get Veranth's book (or check it out from the library and photocopy the 2 pages on silver lake...) and hike silver lake! good luck and let us know how it goes! mike. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Mann Subject: [OUTDOORS] more about dayhikes -Reply Date: 13 Aug 1996 11:46:57 -0600 >>Nicole Doria-Rose wrote: >A hike of six or seven miles round trip max I would say. I would like a >goal - a waterfall, a panoramic view. I picture hiking up for a few (3?) >hours, having lunch hiking down. There are other interesting and beautiful hikes on Timp that are not as long or as strenuous as the Timp summit. There are two dayhikes on the face (Utah Valley side) of Timp, Grove Creek and Battle Creek. For a little longer hike the two can be done as a loop (up one and down the other.) Up Grove Creek is about 3 miles from the trailhead at the east end of 500 N in Pleasant Grove (the canyon to the north of the 'G' on the mountain) to the Timpanooke road. From there you can return back down Grove Creek, or go about 1 to 1.5 miles south on Timpanooke road the the Battle Creek trail. Go down about 2.5 miles to the Battle Creek trailhead (at the end of 200 S in PG). This loop is my favorite dayhike on the face. I usually park a car at both trailheads to avoid the final mile or so walking back to Grove Creek along the foothills (which is mighty warm these days.) For a shorter hike, just do one of the traas as an up-and-back. Battle Creek has a cool water fall, the largest vertical on the face of Timp) up about a mile or so. Battle Creek is the steeper of the two canyons. Grove Creek has several small falls and a beautiful meadow/spring at the top. Both are rewarding hikes. If you want a longer hike, try the Great Western Trail from Timpanooke campground across the face and down Grove Creek. Total lenght about 10 to 11 miles. Jeff Porcaro posted his back country URL which has a description of this hike. One final option. Up American Fork canyon there is a posted trailhead at Pine Hollow. Follow this up about 2 to 2.5 miles where it join Ridge Trail 157. Go about 1 mile north along 157 to the Tibble Fork trail, which drops quickly to the Tibble Fork Reservoir. Total distance about 6 miles. This requires a vehicle at both endpoints. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Re: Questions Date: 14 Aug 1996 15:44:13 -0600 (MDT) On Wed, 14 Aug 1996 Msilbe@aol.com wrote: > I'm planning a trip to Utah from Oct.3 to Oct. 14, starting in Salt Lake and > heading down south. I'm thinking of going to Bryce, Zion, North Rim - GC, > Monument Valley, Arches and Canyonlands. Do you think this is pushing it? Personally, yes. But it depends what you intend to do in each location. Are you just going to drive up, go through the visitor's center, take a few photos, and move on? They you probably have enough time. If you want to do some short day-hikes in each location, you may still make it. But if you want to really enjoy each park, backpack for a few days, get "off the beaten path", see the unique sights and feel the different character of each location, then you've got way too much ground for such a short time. Tell us a little more about what you're expecting to do and see, and we can give better advice! > What would you suggest leaving out? Also, any input on weather. I'm > assuming dessert = warmth, but I know there are some altitude considerations > that as a city dweller I'm not familar with. > Thanks for any advice you have. > Bye. That's normally a delightful time in southern Utah. Be prepared for occasional rain, but overall you should really enjoy it. David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger Jenkins" Subject: RE: [OUTDOORS] High Uintas and Buckskin Gulch Date: 16 Aug 1996 01:58:14 UT owner-utahoutdoors@xmission.com on behalf of Jeff Porcaro wrote: >I am planning to go on a trip to Buckskin gulch in late september and >would like to know if anyone has gone there. > Jeff, I was in Buckskin 9 years ago. If you read Kelsey's book on the Paria, he mentions the campers at the confluence with the Paria finding some rattlesnakes: those are "our" rattlesnakes. We ran into him just a few miles downstream of the confluence when he was writing that book. Buckskin is fascinating, but be prepared for mud and muck, and a rock slide that you will need to take a rope to get over, unless you can fly. It was very cool, cause the sun never reaches the bottom at that time of year. There were a few pools where you mihgt want to strip and carry your pack over your head. I recommend reading Kelsey's book. Also, for future reference, you do not want to ingnore the upper part of Paria river (North of US 89). There are a lot of undocumented narrow slot canyons as you get a couple of days upstream. We did a week long loop by going upriver, then over the top of the plateau and down into Hackberry Canyon. tough day across the top, but a great trip, and not one single person. There, I have let the cat out of the bag. Roger Roger A. Jenkins "When you got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow." Edward Abbey - The Monkey Wrench Gang ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] SE Utah mtn. biking Date: 16 Aug 1996 06:02:33 -0600 (MDT) This post bounced; remember to submit messages from the address where you're subscribed! -DK ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I also thank you for the prod to write up a report on my mid-June trip through Zion/Bryce and Brian Head. Hang in there. It's kind of long. But this was a great trip. After a night in Vegas (is there a List for this type of story?) we headed to Zion. Two of the three of us were here a few years ago, while one was on his first trip to Utah. A quick stop at a bike shop in Springdale (sorry, don't remember its name) we decided on the Gooseberry Mesa ride for the next day. The folks at the shop drew us a good map to find the trailhead. It's a steep dirt road getting there. Once up there, the ride was mostly bumpy jeep road with spurs heading off to abundant slickrock. While slickrock is not necessarily my favorite type of riding, this was fun. It doesn't flow quite as much as Slickrock in Moab, but you don't have to commit to 12 miles of it. We did a couple of short trips on to the rock while rambling down the road. You don't really realize that you are heading out on to a narrowing point of land until you come around one turn and see the awesome view down the cliff back towards Springdale. A while past that you reach the end of the mesa. It's nearly a 360 degree view from about 1000 feet up. Made for some great pictures. The ride back out was all gradual downhill. Total mileage was just about 10 even. This was a great ride. Be careful in the summer. In the second week of June it was probably close to 90 degrees when we finished at about 10 am. There is very little shade and no water to be had on this ride. Later that day we hiked about 4 miles up The Narrows (then back, of course). This made for quite a contrast to the dry, hot riding in the morning. Very crowded up there. I think I'll try and stick to the off season in the NPs. Even with the crowds that's a hike not to be missed. After a quick hike through Bryce Canyon and an even quicker stop at Cedar Breaks (kind of like the Griswolds at The Grand Canyon) we went to Brian Head for two days of absolute banzai downhilling. You take shuttles to the top then take your pick of different routes down. The weather here was much cooler (Brian Head peak is about 11,500 ft.). The first day we did a ride called Dark Hollow. Twelve miles, 5,500 feef of descent, one-half to two-thirds singletrack. This was by far the steepest, narrowest singletrack I've ever ridden. I did some serious damage to brake pads that day. Very technical riding. Don't go near this ride if you're not completely certain of your handling skills. After some nearly-impossible switchbacks and one good endo over a log, we were dumped out on to a fire road that wound down to the highway into Parowan where our shuttle picked us up. Day two, we took a trail (the name is escaping me) down to Panquich Lake. Not as steep as Dark Hollow. This ride was less mental exhaustion; more just letting the bike flow over the singletrack. Awesome mountain scenery with one great view of the vally floor about 5,000 feet below. After 5-6 miles of singletrack through beautiful forests and meadows, we again hit a jeep road that roller coastered along down to our pickup point at the lake. After all this great riding and hiking, the drive back through Las Vegas to the Bay Area seemed exceptionally long. I can't wait to get back out that way again. Todd Bradshaw Rugby Fool ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mjs26@cornell.edu (Marc Stern) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Uinta hikes Date: 16 Aug 1996 17:20:58 -0400 I've just returned from working in the Ashley National Forest, primarily in the High Uintas. I think a lot of people tend to neglect the beautiful southern canyons of the Uintas. I approached Kings Peak from the Uinta Canyon trailhead. Its much longer than coming in from Henry's Fork, but if you've got three or four days, it's doable. I set basecamp in Atwood Basin just north of Lake Atwood (really buggy but beautiful. It's about 17 miles from the trailhead. It's a tough day but if you want to take two days to get there, the Chain Lakes (just south of Roberts Pass) are nice-- especially if you like to fish. Anyway, from Atwood, the approach from the south is challenging due to a huge boulderfield just over Trailrider pass. The route is easy to see however, and once past the boulderfiled its smooth sailing. In general, the southern canyons of the Uintas are gorgeous but they are highly used. To get away from crowds (mainly boy scout troops once you cross the wilderness boundary and the occasional fisherman) you need to hike in 7-8 miles. Happy trails Marc Stern "Once in a while you can get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right" -G.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nr12@cornell.edu (Nicole Doria-Rose) Subject: [OUTDOORS] dayhiking Date: 19 Aug 1996 10:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Thanks to all for the suggestions. I'll let you know how it goes! - Nicole ........................................................ Nicole A. Doria-Rose Go Big Red! nr12@cornell.edu 360 Biotechnology Building Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 fax (607) 255-2428 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Benson Parkinson Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Timpanogos Date: 19 Aug 1996 08:24:46 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:11:00 David Kenison wrote: | I did my annual (at least) Timpanogos hike on Saturday. It's a pretty | familiar hike to most Utah hikers, so I won't go into detail, other than | to say we went up Timpanookee and down Aspen Grove, that there were about | 23,500 other people on the mountain that day, and to make these two | observations: How big was the snow field between the top ridge and Emerald Lake? How about at the head of Timpanookee? Ben Parkinson byparkinson@cc.weber.edu Ogden, Utah, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynn & Kathy Barlow Subject: [OUTDOORS] Zions Date: 19 Aug 1996 09:14:26 -0700 My family just spent several days at Zion National Park in southern Utah. The weather was great and the scenery beautiful. I noted with interest that within five years, cars will not be allowed to drive in the park. The brochure stated that from 4000-5000 people visit each day in the summer, and there are only 400 parking places in the park to see all the various sights. They are hoping to go to a scenic tram system, which now operates on an hourly route. The park has started to implement this new system, and has made a new bike, stroller, wheelchair paved path through some of the park, called the Pa'rus trail. The campgrounds were full by about 9:00 am each day (and that is with checkout time at 11:00). Cars were driving around and around just waiting to pounce on an exiting campsite. I noticed that the prices in the nearby towns (Springdale and Rockville) were reasonable in the markets for food and other things. The prices to eat out at a restaurant were also reasonable, just slightly higher than other places in the state. These towns have from 100 to 400 people living in them, but many motels, eating establishments, souvenir shops, etc. The people were all very kind everywhere we went, and I'd go there again in a minute. We have several small children, so we didn't go on walks together, but took turns. We were starving by 9:00 am, so decided to eat at Zion Lodge in the upper part of the canyon. The pancakes were HUGE, and the prices good. This was a great family vacation, with short trails to carry children on, and long trails for the hikers who wanted them. We could drive to some of the sites while our children slept in their carseats, and also visited a few ghost towns while we were there. We visited the town of Grafton. It is reached by going on a backroad from Rockville. There are signs pointing the way from there. It is about four miles from Rockville across the Virgin river. We visited this town a few years ago after reading about it in a ghost town book, and it was really well maintained, so we decided to take the kids again. We were disgusted at the grafiti and ruin that we saw on this trip. We knew that there had been a fire that took the house that was used in filming Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, but whole walls had been knocked down in neighboring houses, and there was spray paint and carvings on every wall. We were glad that we had taken extensive pictures on our last visit, because there wasn't anything to take pictures of now. It is truly a shame to see such history be wasted so that others can't enjoy it. Looking for other "ghost towns" to visit in Utah. Kathy Barlow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Timpanogos Date: 19 Aug 1996 09:53:35 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Benson Parkinson wrote: > On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:11:00 David Kenison wrote: > > How big was the snow field between the top ridge and Emerald > Lake? How about at the head of Timpanookee? The "glacier" was still all the way to the top of the pass - sometimes it melts down 10 or 20 feet from the crest. And it extends all the way to the lake, with some exposed ridges of rock here and there. Not too many exposed rocks along the way. It is melting fast this time of year, though. That first 20 feet of the slide, where it's near vertical, is quite a thrill... and quite a pain in the patootie! :-) The Timpanookee snowfield still extended down to the trail that cuts across from/to Emerald Lake, but just barely... David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Niemann Subject: [OUTDOORS] bryce, zion & powell Date: 26 Aug 1996 08:36:35 -0600 Some friends and I are planning to spend two weeks in southern Utah in = October. One week in the Bryce/Zion area and one week on Lake Powell. = We are looking for good hikes in these areas (particularly Powell) and I = was hoping you folks could give me some suggestions. We are from = Colorado and are experienced hikers and backpackers. Thanks in advance for the information! Tony niemann@cris.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: outdoors@utw.com (Sam) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] bryce, zion & powell Date: 26 Aug 1996 17:19:14 -0600 (MDT) >Some friends and I are planning to spend two weeks in southern Utah in >October. One week in the Bryce/Zion area and one week on Lake Powell. We >are looking for good hikes in these areas (particularly Powell) and I was >hoping you folks could give me some suggestions. We are from Colorado and >are experienced hikers and backpackers. > >Thanks in advance for the information! > >Tony > >niemann@cris.com Tony, I have some advice for you adventure into Zions National Park. I would suggest to hike Angels Landing. It is a groomed trail with chains where it is narrow but is a great hike. Also hiking around the Great White Throne is nice. Of course there is always the narrows and lots of hiking in the surrounding Kolob Canyons. An VERY easy hike in Zions is the Emerald pools accross from the lodge. The locals in Springdale at Zion Canyon Cyclery can point you out to more hidden stuff like waterfalls, pools (hot & cold) etc... If you have a chance visit the ghosttown of Grafton in Rockville (appox 4 miles south of Rockville on a dirt road) before it gets destroyed more by vandals :(. Have a great trip. Sam -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Fisherman Sam, Advid fisherman and Macintosh user Email Address: outdoors@utw.com Web Page: http://www.utw.com/~outdoors/home.html *** Frame inclined *** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Patton Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] bryce, zion & powell Date: 26 Aug 1996 17:50:18 -0600 At 08:36 AM 8/26/96 -0600, you wrote: >Some friends and I are planning to spend two weeks in southern Utah in October. >One week in the Bryce/Zion area and one week on Lake Powell. We are looking >for good hikes in these areas (particularly Powell) and I was hoping you folks >could give me some suggestions. I can't give you specific suggestions - but I can tell you to pick up a book on the Lake Powell area by Micheal Kelsey. An outdoor sporting goods store in your area should carry them. I have friends who have hiked that area extensively, so if you still need specific suggestions, email me directly and I'll get you some. You may also want to consider the San Rafael swell area. It gets overlooked a lot, but has some incredible hikes. Look specifically at a hike through Little Wild Horse & Bell canyon's. Incredible narrows and standing pools. Kelsey has a great book on this area as well. Good luck, and have a great trip. JP ====================================================================== Jeffrey Patton | jeff@moabinfo.com Professional Web Site Design and Marketing ====================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brad@quark.netvoyage.com Subject: [OUTDOORS] Bryce Canyon Date: 28 Aug 1996 22:07 MDT My wife, sister, and I recently spent an enjoyable couple of days in Bryce Canyon National Park. A few pictures and a brief description are available at http://www.netvoyage.com/~brad/bryce/bryce.html for anyone interested.