From: utahoutdoors-owner@xmission.com To: utahoutdoors-digest@xmission.com Subject: utahoutdoors Digest V2 #2 Reply-To: utahoutdoors@xmission.com Errors-To: utahoutdoors-owner@xmission.com Precedence: utahoutdoors Digest Friday, 9 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 002 In this issue: Re: [OUTDOORS] Anybody there?? Re: [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. [OUTDOORS] Provo ride? Re: [OUTDOORS] Provo ride? [OUTDOORS] Directions to Farmington Canyon [OUTDOORS] Ashley National Forest Re: [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. Re: [OUTDOORS] greetings from Provo [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Re: [OUTDOORS] Mountain biking around St. George Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird [OUTDOORS] Leaving the list [OUTDOORS] dayhikes [OUTDOORS] seeking Wallsburg info Re: [OUTDOORS] seeking Wallsburg info Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird [OUTDOORS] provo canyon fires? Re: [OUTDOORS] provo canyon fires? [OUTDOORS] Fires in Wasatch oak and pines See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the utahoutdoors or utahoutdoors-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mw@aros.net (Tink) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:23:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Anybody there?? Hi everyone, Thanks for the motivation Dave. I have been wanting to write about my bike trip and just haven't gotten around to it. Last Saturday we rode Farmington Flats at the top of Farmington Canyon. The drive up is not a lot of fun as the road is very narrow and unpaved. But the bike ride afterwards is well worth the drive. You begin by parking before the big steel gate and biking up the road past the maintenance shed.(This part is very steep, but if you drive up and park there, then you just have to do the hill at the end to return to your car). You do share this part with cars and ATVs, but it is short. When you get to the shed be sure and take the side road which circles around and sends you headed south (a sharp right turn). When you get up here you feel like you are on top of the world. Tons of butterflies greet you and wildflowers galore. There are a few side roads that dead end but are a fun little jaunt to lenghthen your ride. As you continue on you feel like you are all alone in the world, It is so peaceful and quiet and you are surronded by aspen trees and flowers and total quiet. We like to ride early in the day to feel this total quiet and relaxation. We were even lucky enough to encounter a deer leisurely eating along side the trail. It was a truly gorgeous creature and certainly made my day worthwhile. You circle around through Bountiful Peak Campground and finish off down a gravel road that leads you back to your car. All in all this ride is about 5.5 miles but can be longer by the side trips. A great ride for a someone who is building up their endurance (like me) or just likes a nice Saturday morning ride. The meadows, wildflowers and midway campground make for a very nice ride with a possible picnic along the way. Have a great summer:) Wendy a.k.a. Tink ------------------------------ From: Michael Jones Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:37:15 +0200 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. > I saw a man do it once while I was hiking. He took off on the > glacier right before me. He zigged right, zigged left, and right > once more, then he was to the bottom of the steep part. I'd say > he got about 20 seconds of skiing for his 2 mile hike. Hmm. Not quite as good as resort skiing, but should be fun, thanks for the info. mike. ------------------------------ From: mw@aros.net (Tink) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:59:45 -0700 Subject: [OUTDOORS] Provo ride? > >> My husband and I are planning on spending the weekend in the Provo area >> next weekend and would like to know of any mt. bike trails there that are >> not too difficult but have great scenery. (Is that asking too much?) As I >> said in a previous post, I am still building up my endurance because of >> surgery a few months ago. We usually ride around 10 miles depending on the >> difficulty. >> >> Thanks:) >> >> Wendy a.k.a. Tink ------------------------------ From: Michael Jones Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:55:09 +0200 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Provo ride? Here's a quick run down of the ones I've ridden in the Provo area, feel free to mail me for details on any that sound interesting (BTW, how does one get to the farmington (?) ride you mentioned, it sounds good). Sadly, most of the rides I can think of are point to point involving big hills that aren't fun to cycle back the other way. This usualy entails using 2 cars to ferry cycles. One should bear in mind that I am wimpy when it comes to big hills though. IMHO, parking at squaw peak parking lot and riding on the dirt road into rock canyon campground, then up the valley behind Y mountain then across the road to the top of descent into hobble creek canyon (dromedary pass its called I think) and then back the same way to the car would be the best ride. Great scenery, small crowds (after rock canyon) and not too demanding. Anyway, here's some other ideas: 1. Y mtn parking lot -> slate canyon point to point ride on a dirt road, great views over the valley. Don't do it in the afternoon, you'll get baked. Sunset on cloudy days are stupendous along this ride. Fairly short about 20-30 mins each way. Some ups and downs get a little technical but you can always walk over the one rough spot 2. Squaw Peak -> Rock Canyon: short and all downhill if you use your car cleverly. Gravel road point to point, could be a loop if you dig long hills. Tres beautiful scenery in and above rock canyon. Not too difficult, make sure your brakes work though! 3. Squaw Peak -> Hobble creek canyon: longish but still 1/2 a day with great scenery in the mountains behind provo. Two descents, one ascent, one level-ish bit. Took us 4 hours. The last downhill is brutal and weren't fun for me since I had to do it with 1 brake (should've tightened the bolts _more_ than finger tight after tweaking my break pads the night before, live and learn I suppose). Best scenery available. 4. Provo River parkway: not realy a mtn ride but its fun. The scenery isn't anything to write home about either. Starts at what's left of bridal veil falls and carries on through town to Utah lake. 5. Head south young man: Definitly a road ride. Get on the bike and ride south staying on country roads in the fields around springville. Extra scenery points for making it over I-15 and finding Laketown. Its all pretty flat and on a wind-less day, makes for hours of riding fun. More extra points for finding your way home without a map check and no doubling back. The provo-orem phone book has maps of the squaw peak->hobble creek canyon ride and the river parkway in the center bit on visiting the area. The parks and recreation service also has a booklet on local rides. enjoy! mike. ------------------------------ From: mw@aros.net (Tink) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:08:46 -0700 Subject: [OUTDOORS] Directions to Farmington Canyon On Monday July 29th Mike wrote.... (BTW, how does one get >to the farmington (?) ride you mentioned, it sounds good). > To get to the Farmington Flats ride coming northbound on I-15, take exit 326 and follow signs for exit 327.Southbound take exit 327. From the off ramp go east on UT 225 to a stop sign. Turn right on Main Street UT 106, where Main Street bends right (within a half mile) turn left onto 600 North. One block ahead turn left on 100 East which feeds directly into Farmington Canyon. Park 8 miles up the canyon at a small pullout before a large steel gate. (Don't drive up to the maintenance shed, you'll be sorry at the end of the ride when you have to bike back up that hill!) Hope you enjoy it as much as we did:) Wendy a.k.a. Tink and thanks for the Provo ride info ------------------------------ From: Steve Catmull Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:20:36 -0600 Subject: [OUTDOORS] Ashley National Forest - -> I'd love to hear of any hikes, backpacks, bike trips, etc. that any of your - -> have done so far this summer. Please share as much detail as you can - - -> location, length, conditions, etc. I'm going to be going to Mill B next weekend. Aside from that, I have something else planned in the Ashley Forest area. Speaking of which, does anyone know of some good hikes in that area. Specifically, I'm speaking about the Ashley Forest area near Price and Ducshene. * Steve Catmull catmulls@saltair.com ------------------------------ From: Iagowright@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 02:23:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Skiing Timpanogos in Sept. This has nothing to do with skiing Timp in Sept., but two places that are neat to ski are Jericho sand dunes in November and Wheeler Peak in Great Basin National Park in July. Sand dune skiing has a lot to recommend it, especially if the snow isn't falling and you've got an awful itch to cut a couple of turns. November's good because the dune buggies are gone, and if you don't mind a 20 or 30 minute hike to cut 20 or 30 seconds worth of turns on Sand Mountain, it's kind of like being a 5-year-old all over again. Wheeler Peak -- well, do your homework on that one. It's on again off again. This year it was on. ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] greetings from Provo On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, John M. Blodgett wrote: > Any Provo area folks here? > Quite a few! But we're all interested, if you have questions or reports on hiking, biking, camping, etc. about any area of the state. - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: "Chris Grant" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:25:37 -0600 Subject: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird I would be interested in any information people might have to offer about climbing American Forks Twin Peaks starting from Snowbird. I would be particularly interested in answers to the following questions: (1) How much of a factor is snow likely to be this time of year? I haven't been up Little Cottonwood Canyon at all this summer and therefore don't have any idea how much snow is lingering in the area. (2) I think John Veranth in _Hiking the Wasatch_ mentions that the trail that approaches A.F. Twin Peaks along the ridge from Hidden Peak is a little tricky and that it is easier to go up the ridge between the Gad Valley and White Pine areas to a lesser summit and then head east on the summit ridge. Any comments? Chris Grant ------------------------------ From: Travis Jensen Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Mountain biking around St. George On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, David Kenison wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Travis Jensen wrote: > > > I'm hoping to find some biking trails (mountain biking, that is) > > around St. George (not as far as Brianhead). I just moved to > > St. George and can't find much info on trails around here. > > One caution - it will be VERY hot and dry this time of year; so be > prepared with sunscreen and LOTS of water. This is a great area for > spring and fall rides... use caution in the summer. Actually, when you live here, you learn to get up *really* early in the morning. :) > 3. Warner Valley - easy ride just east of town; start in town for a > 35-mile ride, or drive out and shorten it to 20 miles ride out and > back. See ruins of a pioneer fort built for defense from Indians, > and preserved dinosaur tracks in the sandstone. Easy ride on > maintained dirt and gravel roads; very gradual inclines. I did this one. This is a very easy ride but is good for conditioning. The dinosaur tracks are neat too. You can extend this ride a long way by riding all the way from St. George to Hurricane, which I plan to do when it cools off. I was also able to find out about some other trails as well: Washington Loop: - ---------------- A short (6 mile) ride just NW of Washington. This trail is a wonderful combination of singletrack, slickrock, and fast dirt roads. This trail also has dinosaur tracks on it. Intermediate difficulty. Church Rocks Loop: - ------------------ This is an even shorter (3 mile) ride that can be extended by riding through about 2 miles of motorcycle trails to the trail head. This trail is about 80% slick rock and is truly a *blast*. This trail is located near the Hurricane exit. If you are familiar with the area, after you pass the Hurricane exit you pass through a cut in a ridge and a wash passes under the freeway (They build a new water tower on that ridge this year). The trail starts there (at the bottom of the wash) on the north side of the freeway. Advanced Intermediate difficulty. Dutchman Loop: - -------------- This is a nice ride south of the Washington Fields (it is actually in Arizona). The ride is an easy 9 mile ride that loops around some old four-wheel drive roads. This is a nice family ride or a good conditioning ride. You can take a short spur to see some petroglyphs at Little Black Mountain. The BLM has put up info on this. You can extend this ride by 10 miles if you approach the loop from another way, but it is still an easy ride. Beginner difficulty. I have actually found out about more trails than this. I just haven't had a chance to get out and ride all of them yet (*sigh* I slept in this morning, so I missed my chance to go ride another trail I found out about :( ). If you want precise directions to any of these trails, let me know and I will fill you in. Cheers. Travis travis@inquo.net **Travis Jensen** http://www.inquo.net/~travis - ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I don't think you realize how much | the other animals are laughing at | "Yup, yup, yup!" -- Ducky you." --Dutchess | ------------------------------ From: Brad Clements Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 13:45:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Chris, I climbed American Fork Twin Peaks last summer with a few friends. We went in the second week of August, and snow wasn't an issue. There was still quite a bit of it up there in places and we had fun sliding down some big snow fields, but it didn't get in the way at all. If you've got some experience hiking then I wouldn't be concerned about taking the trail from Hidden Peak. It has some exposure, but it's really not too bad. Just be careful about what's underfoot and which way you're leaning. And make sure everything on your pack is secure. One guy in our party had his sleeping bag come unfastened from his pack while standing on the ridge. It fell and rolled several hundred feet down the south side before stopping. I'm still laughing about it, but he didn't appreciate the detour to go retrieve it. One more thing to be aware of: camping isn't allowed anywhere in the area that is considered part of the Snowbird ski area. This isn't an issue if you're planning a day hike, but if you're doing an overnighter then you'll need to plan to get somewhere outside the area before nightfall. When I went up there last summer we started at Silver Lake in American Fork and camped west of Twin Peaks. The next morning we summitted the peak and then continued on east to Snowbird. Brad > > I would be interested in any information people might have to > offer about climbing American Forks Twin Peaks starting from > Snowbird. I would be particularly interested in answers to > the following questions: > > (1) How much of a factor is snow likely to be this time of > year? I haven't been up Little Cottonwood Canyon at all this > summer and therefore don't have any idea how much snow is > lingering in the area. > > (2) I think John Veranth in _Hiking the Wasatch_ mentions > that the trail that approaches A.F. Twin Peaks along the > ridge from Hidden Peak is a little tricky and that it is > easier to go up the ridge between the Gad Valley and White > Pine areas to a lesser summit and then head east on the > summit ridge. Any comments? > > Chris Grant ------------------------------ From: Rick Covington Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 13:16:10 +0800 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird Please omit me from your mailings.... While I do come to Utah to fish I am not a hiker except to get to a fishing site and I don't camp, nor do I mountain bike (I am not keen on the ecological impact that they have on the mountain' flora and fauna). There is nothing wrong nor am I angry with your program, we just appear to be on different wavelengths and many years apart in age! Thank you. ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Leaving the list On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Rick Covington wrote: > Please omit me from your mailings.... For anyone who needs to be removed from the list, please try to do it yourself by sending a message to "majordomo@xmission.com" with the words "unsubscribe UtahOutdoors" (without quotes) in the message body. Or visit the web page, which has a form you can use to do the same thing. http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/outd/ - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: nr12@cornell.edu (Nicole Doria-Rose) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OUTDOORS] dayhikes My husband and I will be in Salt Lake City for two days at the end of August and are looking for good day hikes in the area. Any suggestions? Thanks! - - Nicole Doria-Rose ........................................................ Nicole A. Doria-Rose Go Big Red! nr12@cornell.edu 360 Biotechnology Building Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 fax (607) 255-2428 ------------------------------ From: "John M. Blodgett" Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 17:17:25 -0700 Subject: [OUTDOORS] seeking Wallsburg info I'm planning on putting together a documentary story on the town of Wallsburg. I'm looking for any kind of information, such as: 1) individual stories, experiences, anecdotes, etc. 2) people who live here, what they do, etc. 3) known resources for information (books, guides, etc.) 4) town history (where its been, where its going) 5) enter your thoughts here The above will be used for background research and serve as guidance for my story. Feel free to email me directly or refer my name and number and/or email to parties who may be able to provide information. Thanks for your help. John Blodgett Staff Photographer The Daily Herald Provo, UT (801) 344-2585 jmb@lvinet.com ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] seeking Wallsburg info On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, John M. Blodgett wrote: > I'm planning on putting together a documentary story on the town of > Wallsburg. I'm looking for any kind of information, such as: This request is not really related to the topic of our list. If anyone wants to respond, please do so directly to John and not to the list. - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: Michael Jones Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 17:31:36 +0200 Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] A.F. Twin Peaks from Snowbird > Any comments? Yeah, I'd like to hear how it goes. I get back to provo in 3 weeks and I plan on doing a few days in that general area to celebrate my return to utah mountains and I'm interested in what you thought of it all. Of course, you were probly planning on posting a trip report anyway and that would be good enough ;) cheers, mike. ------------------------------ From: Michael Jones Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 17:44:36 +0200 Subject: [OUTDOORS] provo canyon fires? I saw mention of fires in provo canyon in a paper that I read on the internet. Anyone want to fill in the details? cheers, mike. ------------------------------ From: David Kenison Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] provo canyon fires? On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Michael Jones wrote: > I saw mention of fires in provo canyon in a paper that I read on the internet. > Anyone want to fill in the details? The first fire started early this week just above Novell (WordPerfect) in the foothills above northeast Orem. It spread from there north and west throughout most of the lower foothills, at one point threatening the homes in the area. Then it started east, further up Provo canyon; and crossed over to the lower part of Timp itself. The fire was started by two teenage boys playing with a lighter. Apparently another (smaller) fire started further up the canyon near the Canyon Glen picnic area. As I look out my office window today at Timp, I see lots of black hills, but not much smoke. Thank goodness - it's been pretty hard to breathe around here lately! I drove up the canyon on Wednesday, and the fires were as far up as the Bridal Veil Falls area, but on the other (north) side of the canyon, above the pipeline. I think they're mostly contained by now. It's been fun to watch the helicopters with water buckets and airplanes with flame-retardant drops; but it's sad to see the loss. Just hope there's not too much erosion when the rains come. - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors ------------------------------ From: Benson Parkinson Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 14:28:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Fires in Wasatch oak and pines David Kenison wrote of the Provo Canyon fires: | It's been fun to watch the helicopters with water buckets and airplanes | with flame-retardant drops; but it's sad to see the loss. Just hope | there's not too much erosion when the rains come. My favorite childhood hiking spot east of Ogden was burned in a fire about 5 years ago. It's been surprising how fast and well it's come back. Scrub oak and maple seem to be fire-adapted, which thing I never had supposed. There was another, smaller fire on the same mountain when I was a kid (25 years earlier). That grew back well too. My whole life I remember that being the thickest thicket of scrub oak (and poison ivy too probably) on the mountain, with these long carcasses of the older burnt trees sticking out. Finally in recent years it reached maturity and thinned out. The mountain seems no worse for wear. In another area near here a fire got into some ancient white pines. I haven't been right up to the site in a few years, but from a distance (a mile, say) there's no indication any of the pines are returning. Ben Parkinson byparkinson@cc.weber.edu Ogden, Utah ------------------------------ End of utahoutdoors Digest V2 #2 ******************************** To subscribe to utahoutdoors Digest, send the command: subscribe utahoutdoors-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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