From: owner-utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com (utahoutdoors-digest) To: utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utahoutdoors-digest V2 #5 Reply-To: utahoutdoors-digest Sender: owner-utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utahoutdoors-digest Thursday, April 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 005 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:57:54 -0700 From: "Mike Gillen" Subject: [OUTDOORS] Need advice on Scout trip late March Hi all! I need to schedule a campout/backpack trip for the end of March. I'm = looking for a short Fri/Sat trip that won't be too cold and only a 2 hour = max drive from SLC. The kids a re NOT experienced backpackers but we're = working on it. A short 2 mile hike would be ideal but not neccessary. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:45:45 -0700 (MST) From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] Kayaking near Moab in April (fwd) Anyone have any experience with these questions? - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:26:54 -0500 From: Mary Kay Ricks To: DKenison@Xmission.com Subject: Kayaking near Moab in April I am taking my family to the Moab area in early April for a week of hiking, biking, and kayaking. I'd like to get some suggestions about kayaking. My 13-year-old son and I are both comfortable with Class III, even Class III+ water, at least the way they measure it back east. Would we be comfortable on the Colorado below Moab? We both have paddled the Lower Yough (Pa.); the Snake below Jackson, Wyo.; and the Yankee Jim Canyon on the Yellowstone (but in August). Also, any suggestions about which outfitters are most comfortable taking along kayakers? Thanks, Tom Ricks tom.ricks@news.wsj.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 20:46:22 +0000 From: Kevin Dickerson Subject: [OUTDOORS] Narrows Hello all, I'm looking for some info on the following canyons: Lower Black Box, the Chute (these two are in the San Rafael Swell), the Black Hole on the lower white river (Hite Marina area), Peek a boo, spooky, brimstone, coyote (these are in the Escalante area), and Cottonwood Canyon in the Capital Reef area. Estimated time needed, special equipment, places to stay while visiting these places, and any other tid bits would be great. Especially your personal experiences in these canyons. See ya, Kevin Cave deep and climb high! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:54:07 -0400 From: edesousa@bank-banque-canada.ca (Eurico de Sousa) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Greetings to all Hi. First time on this list. I'm from Ottawa, Canada. My buddy and I are trying to plan a one-week trip to South Utah. I've been browsing the net and WOW! is there ever alot of information. Every place in South Utah just sounds/looks beautiful! We definitely would need (er, want) more than 1 week to check out alot of places, but it appears that my friend needs a miracle for his wife to allow him longer than that. In any case, we'll plan for 1 week and make the best of it. He's been thru the SouthEast part of Utah once before and wants to go to Glen Canyon area. I've never been in that part of the world, but can't wait. I originally hoped to drive from Salt Lake City to Zion, Cedar Breaks, Bryce, CanyonLands, etc, etc, etc, but see now there's absolutely no way - too much. That in mind, what would you veteran Utah adventure seekers recommend? Here's what we want: 1. To see few, if any, people 2. Camping/hiking expeditions (perhaps at different locations) thru really neat canyons (preferrably one night camping expeditions) or day-hikes 3. One or two very scenic drives (it appears highway 12 is a good one?) 4. I don't want to hike when it's too hot, although swimming time would be a bonus. Do May or June sound best? 5. Which National Parks/Monuments would you recommend seeing if we only had time for one or two? From what I've read, 1 gallon of water per day per person is recommended. That in mind, it seems one really has to be aware of where springs or minimally-muddy water sources for filtering are located. Where would you get this type of info in advance so we could plan where to go? From where can one obtain trail maps of specific locations in advance? What about rattlesnakes? scorpions? mountain-lions? Are these potential dangers in this area? I've also read that you need permits to hike just about anywhere. Assuming we'll be hiking in several places, can one obtain an "anywhere" permit? Or does one have to buy permits at each area? One thought I had for hiking/camping overnight would be to take a road from Northern Arizona all the way up to the Utah border and hike some 14 miles or so to Rainbow Bridge NM. Have any of you hiked this? Is it worthwhile or are there are better ones? We do regular hiking/camping expeditions in the NorthEast (Adirondacks NY, White Mountains NH, Maine & Vermont), so we're not complete city dwellers (we even did our first winter camping trip in the Adirondacks a few weeks ago and climbed a peak in snowshoes - was great). However, I do realize that the terrain and weather is completely different here than in Utah's desert-like environment, so in a way, it'll be completely different and we want to be weel-prepared. Any information, pointers and recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much, Eurico de Sousa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:49:34 -0400 From: edesousa@bank-banque-canada.ca (Eurico de Sousa) Subject: [OUTDOORS] Greetings to all Hi again. I'm resending yesterday's e-mail because I had written a program to forward incoming mails to different folders. In doing so, I inadvertantly messed-up outgoing e-mails. What happened, I think, is that the e-mail I send yesterday got split up and only the first part was sent out. Here it is once more: First time on this list. I'm from Ottawa, Canada. My buddy and I are trying to plan a one-week trip to South Utah. I've been browsing the net and WOW! is there ever alot of information. Every place in South Utah just sounds/looks beautiful! We definitely would need (er, want) more than 1 week to check out alot of places, but it appears that my friend needs a miracle for his wife to allow him longer than that. In any case, we'll plan for 1 week and make the best of it. He's been thru the SouthEast part of Utah once before and wants to go to Glen Canyon area. I've never been in that part of the world, but can't wait. I originally hoped to drive from Salt Lake City to Zion, Cedar Breaks, Bryce, CanyonLands, etc, etc, etc, but see now there's absolutely no way - too much. That in mind, what would you veteran Utah adventure seekers recommend? Here's what we want: 1. To see few, if any, people 2. Camping/hiking expeditions (perhaps at different locations) thru really neat canyons (preferrably one night camping expeditions) or day-hikes 3. One or two very scenic drives (it appears highway 12 is a good one?) 4. I don't want to hike when it's too hot, although swimming time would be a bonus. Do May or June sound best? 5. Which National Parks/Monuments would you recommend seeing if we only had time for one or two? I've read that 1 gallon of water per day per person is recommended. That in mind, it seems one really has to be aware of where springs or minimally-muddy water sources for filtering are located. Where would you get this type of info in advance so we could plan where to go? From where can one obtain trail maps of specific locations in advance? What about rattlesnakes? scorpions? mountain-lions? Are these potential dangers in this area? I've also read that you need permits to hike just about anywhere. Assuming we'll be hiking in several places, can one obtain an "anywhere" permit? Or does one have to buy permits at each area? One thought I had for hiking/camping overnight would be to take a road from Northern Arizona all the way up to the Utah border and hike some 14 miles or so to Rainbow Bridge NM. Have any of you hiked this? Is it worthwhile or are there are better ones? We do regular hiking/camping expeditions in the NorthEast (Adirondacks NY, White Mountains NH, Maine & Vermont), so we're not complete city dwellers (we even did our first winter camping trip in the Adirondacks a few weeks ago and climbed a peak in snowshoes - was great). However, I do realize that the terrain and weather is completely different here than in Utah's desert-like environment, so in a way, it'll be completely different and we want to be weel-prepared. Any information, pointers and recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much, Eurico de Sousa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:47:24 -0400 From: Jeff Westhead Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Greetings to all Hi! I live in Toronto. Two years ago I did a 10 day trip in Utah. It was the best thing I ever did! I spend all my time in Canyonlands, except for 2 days in Arches. Canyonlands is amazing. It was the most fantastic place I've ever been. I cried when I left my 2-night campsite it was so beautiful. Arches was great to see, but it's a "drive through" park and is not great for camping. > 1. To see few, if any, people Canyonlands was very sparsely travelled when I was there. Arches was insane with cars and people but it was still worth the time I spent there. > 2. Camping/hiking expeditions (perhaps at different locations) thru really neat canyons (preferrably one night camping expeditions) or day-hikes Again, CL has lots of great areas for this. You could easily do 5-10 one or two day trips through all the sections of the park. I did a couple of day-hikes, a two day hike, and a three day hike without ever seeing the same parts of the park twice. There is also a jeep road (which you definitely need a permit for) - something like a 2 or 3 day drive around the park. I didn't do this (seemed like sacriledge). > 5. Which National Parks/Monuments would you recommend seeing if we only had time for one or two? I did CL and Arches and had NO regrets. Plan to spend a single day at Arches. Just follow the tourists - drive around and do short walks to the actual arches. There's no point trying to spend more time at Arches, but is definitely worth seeing. > I've read that 1 gallon of water per day per person is recommended. That in mind, it seems one really has to be aware of where springs or minimally-muddy water sources for filtering are located. Where would you get this type of info in advance so we could plan where to go? From where can one obtain trail maps of specific locations in advance? CL had a great ranger station at the front. They answered all my stupid questions (I had never even seen a desert before I arrived!) and had lots of good maps. You can also order maps by WWW - I did this and it was a smart idea. Keep in mind that you will have to visit the ranger station to book campsites as well. On water: I used 5-6 litres per day (something like 1.5 gallons). I found the heat very easy to take (it's hotter but much drier than our summers) but it is deceptive and you will drink a lot during the day. I did filter some water but I wouldn't necessarily plan on being able to do this regularly. What about rattlesnakes? scorpions? mountain-lions? Are these potential dangers in this area?I saw one rattlesnake and one black widow. Neither threatened me. I didn't leave clothing where scorpions might get into it (I recommend a newer tent that is basically sealed against pests when zipped up). MLs are not a danger. There are small harmless lizards everywhere (about 4-5 inches long). I also saw lots of rabbits and deer near sunrise and sunset. Be careful with food! I didn't see them, but the first night the mice had fun with my hanging food bag. > I've also read that you need permits to hike just about anywhere. Assuming we'll be hiking in several places, can one obtain an "anywhere" permit? Or does one have to buy permits at each area? There are some excellent WWW pages maintained by the BLM and the Parks Service. Visit them to get the scoop on permits. The permits are for camping - although in the peak season you might need one to hike (I can't remember). You can book campsites by phone before you get there. > We do regular hiking/camping expeditions in the NorthEast (Adirondacks NY, White Mountains NH, Maine & Vermont), so we're not complete city dwellers (we even did our first winter camping trip in the Adirondacks a few weeks ago and climbed a peak in snowshoes - was great). However, I do realize that the terrain and weather is completely different here than in Utah's desert-like environment, so in a way, it'll be completely different and we want to be weel-prepared. I would love to hear about a good hiking/camping trip in the NE. Any recommendations you might have would be appreciated. Feel free to e-mail me back with specific questions. If you're in TO before you go to Utah let me know. You can buy me lunch :) and I'll show you pictures and maps and re-read my diary to give you more details. - -- Jeff Westhead -- Zoomit Corporation -- Toronto, Ontario, Canada mailto:jwesthead@zoomit.com -- http://www.zoomit.com mailto:jeff.westhead@pobox.com -- http://www.pobox.com/~jeffwe - - ------------------------------ End of utahoutdoors-digest V2 #5 ********************************