From: owner-utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com (utahoutdoors-digest) To: utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utahoutdoors-digest V2 #99 Reply-To: utahoutdoors-digest Sender: owner-utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utahoutdoors-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utahoutdoors-digest Tuesday, June 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 099 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: ElBongo Subject: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions? My 2 friends and I are interested in a week long trip to Utah, early September. What we're interested in doing is catching fish, canoeing (class II or slower), camping on the river, and a little hiking. Awesome scenery is a must. Anyone have any suggestions? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:44:34 +0000 From: "Randall R. Arabie" Subject: [OUTDOORS] Re: Elbongo I have a friend who did a three day / two night canoe trip on the White River on the Colorado & Utah border. I'm not sure of the fishing but he was impressed with the scenery. Randall R. Arabie Senior Staff Scientist EnecoTech, Inc. 1580 Lincoln Street, Ste. 1000 Denver, CO 80203 randyarabie@enecotech.com (303) 861-2200 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:46:40 -0600 (MDT) From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions? This reply came from a non-subscriber; I was not aware of this list for Utah fishermen: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:39:15 -0600 From: Webmaster MSRI To: utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions? If you are primarily interested in fishing try the discussion at fishwest@lists.xmission.com. This group will know where the fishing is hot and maybe some about the scenery. Or try the website at www.xmission.com/~ducarl/fishwest.com. - -jim ElBongo wrote: > My 2 friends and I are interested in a week long trip to Utah, early > September. What we're interested in doing is catching fish, canoeing > (class II or slower), camping on the river, and a little hiking. > Awesome scenery is a must. Anyone have any suggestions? > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:48:25 -0600 (MDT) From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] Any Suggestions? On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Jim wrote: > If you are primarily interested in fishing try the discussion at > fishwest@lists.xmission.com. This group will know where the fishing is > hot and maybe some about the scenery. Or try the website at > www.xmission.com/~ducarl/fishwest.com. Oops - the correct URL is: www.xmission.com/~ducarl/fishwest/ - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors, Brasil-SUD - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:18 -0400 From: "William Hoffman" Subject: [none] unsubscribe utahoutdoors - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:43:06 -0600 (MDT) From: David Kenison Subject: [OUTDOORS] GPS article There's an interesting article on GPS (Global Positioning System) in today's "Outdoors" section of the SL Tribune; see: http://www.sltrib.com/1998/jun/06301998/Outdoors/Outdoors.htm Any comments from anyone who owns one of these units? How useful have you found it to be for hiking/backpacking adventures? Pros and cons? - ---------------------------------------------------- David Kenison - Orem, Utah dkenison@xmission.com My Homepage URL: http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/ Internet Lists: LDS-GEMS, Cougar-Net, UtahOutdoors, Brasil-SUD - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:24:55 -0700 From: David Brandt-Erichsen Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] GPS At 04:43 PM 6/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >Any comments from anyone who owns one of these units? How useful have you >found it to be for hiking/backpacking adventures? Pros and cons? I find them very useful. Now that the cost is down to about $100, they are a very worthwhile investment. I hike a lot in canyonlands where the terrain is so jumbled it can be very hard to read the topo. With a GPS I can in a couple of minutes find out exactly what side canyon I am looking at. When you use UTM coordinates, you can tell just where you are on a topo map just by eyeballing it. (On older maps you would need to draw in the UTM grid -- but it's there already on all the newer maps.) Two caveates: (1) Never rely solely on a GPS. If you do, it's batteries might give out and then you won't know where you are! (2) If you plan on using the GPS as a navigation aid, always remember to take a fix at your car before you start. I once got lost in a forrested area with no visible landmarks. I had my GPS and a compass with me, but no topo map. I had forgotten to get a fix at the car, so the GPS was totally useless in finding my way back! I hadn't planned on using the GPS, but it turned out I sure could have. The GPS is only accurate to within just less than a tenth of a mile. I use it a lot for arch-hunting, but it is not accurate enough to get you right to an arch. This is unfortunate, especially in an area like Kentucky, where a natural arch can be totally invisible from 10 feet away due to the thick vegetation. This is true even in Utah, where an arch can be in such jumbled terrain that it is still very hard to find even if you have accurate coordinates for it in your GPS. GPS units are great. I highly recommend them. Just be aware of their limitations. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:06:37 -0400 From: "Roger Jenkins/Susie McDonald" Subject: Re: [OUTDOORS] GPS My sentiments exactly. A useful tool to augment your already good ability to route find without it. I have had a GPS for 4 years now, and carry it with me out west. I find that it usually confirms where I thought I was anyway. At least that has been our experience in Utah's canyon country, although with the deep canyons, it takes a long time to get a fix. Maybe the newer ones are better. There are times that I have been in bad fog in the mtns (Olympics, Cascades, ets) where I had wished I had one. But we found our way anyway. A suggestion: use lithium batteries with them. Weigh less and last longer. Roger Roger Jenkins/Susie McDonald Co-Editors: the Tennes-Sierran Our newsletter is available at: www.cs.utk.edu/~dixon/hbgsierra.html Check out the report of our Grand Canyon Backpack at: www.kaibab.org/happy/gctr9805.htm >>Any comments from anyone who owns one of these units? How useful have you >>found it to be for hiking/backpacking adventures? Pros and cons? > >I find them very useful. Now that the cost is down to about $100, they are >a very worthwhile investment. > >I hike a lot in canyonlands where the terrain is so jumbled it can be very >hard to read the topo. With a GPS I can in a couple of minutes find out >exactly what side canyon I am looking at. When you use UTM coordinates, >you can tell just where you are on a topo map just by eyeballing it. (On >older maps you would need to draw in the UTM grid -- but it's there already >on all the newer maps.) > >Two caveates: (1) Never rely solely on a GPS. If you do, it's batteries >might give out and then you won't know where you are! (2) If you plan on >using the GPS as a navigation aid, always remember to take a fix at your >car before you start. I once got lost in a forrested area with no visible >landmarks. I had my GPS and a compass with me, but no topo map. I had >forgotten to get a fix at the car, so the GPS was totally useless in >finding my way back! I hadn't planned on using the GPS, but it turned out >I sure could have. > >The GPS is only accurate to within just less than a tenth of a mile. I use >it a lot for arch-hunting, but it is not accurate enough to get you right >to an arch. This is unfortunate, especially in an area like Kentucky, >where a natural arch can be totally invisible from 10 feet away due to the >thick vegetation. This is true even in Utah, where an arch can be in such >jumbled terrain that it is still very hard to find even if you have >accurate coordinates for it in your GPS. > >GPS units are great. I highly recommend them. Just be aware of their >limitations. > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:22:31 EDT From: Subject: [OUTDOORS] Fwd: No Subject This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_899256151_boundary Content-ID: <0_899256151@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_899256151_boundary Content-ID: <0_899256151@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay25.mx.aol.com (relay25.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.25]) by air12.mail.aol.com (v45.13) with SMTP; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:44 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by relay25.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id QAA25882 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yr6fd-0004fu-00; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:29 -0600 Received: from (mrout2.se.mediaone.net) [24.129.0.35] by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yr6fa-0004fn-00; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:27 -0600 Received: from mediaone (surf2635.se.mediaone.net [24.129.36.135]) by mrout2.se.mediaone.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11260 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01e301bda462$8eca1300$03000004@mediaone.net.mediaone.net> From: "William Hoffman" To: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: utahoutdoors@lists.xmission.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe utahoutdoors - - - --part0_899256151_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ End of utahoutdoors-digest V2 #99 *********************************