From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 8:58 AM To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #191 Zorn List Digest Friday, December 12 1997 Volume 02 : Number 191 In this issue: - Upcoming Performance: Comma (Frederick, MD, 1/13/1997) Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears" Laswell discs Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?) cello music Re: Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears" Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?) kronos Comma performance is 12/13/1997 more questions about music Re: more questions about music Liquid Liquid electro-acoustic stuff Re: Liquid Liquid Re: Knit in L.A.?? Re: MM&W Re: cello Re: cello Re: cello music PIGPEN/ZONY MASH etc... cello music: Friedlaender/Roberts? Re: cello music Re: cello music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:19:13 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Upcoming Performance: Comma (Frederick, MD, 1/13/1997) This Saturday at 8:00 PM, the vocal trio Comma (featuring list members Matthew Ross Davis, Joseph Zitt, and Tom Bickley) will be performing at Interzone Music in Frederick, MD. Among the works to be performed will be Pauline Oliveros's "Approaches and Departures" and John Cage's "Song Books", as well as free improvisation and works written by the performers. Cover charge is $5. Find out more about Comma at http://www.artswire.org/comma Again, that's... Saturday, December 13, 8:00 PM, $5 Interzone Music 215 N. Market Street Frederick, Maryland 21701-5334 Phone: (301) 695-6026 URL: http://members.aol.com/orgone23/interzone.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:54:18 -0500 (EST) From: David Keffer Subject: Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears" Apropos of some earlier discussions on the list, I have 2 question regarding the Swiss (?) label "For 4 Ears". I have a recording of Gunter Muller and Jim O'Rourke called "Slow Motion" which is pretty good. I've seen a Christian Marclay release on the label as well, maybe 2 years ago. Rumor has it that there is a new recording Table Chair and Hatstand CD (For 4 Ears) Jim O'Rourke w/ Gunter Muller and Voice Crack (Andy Guhl and Norbert Moslang) 1997 My questions are these: (1) Anybody heard this latest record and have an opinion? (2) Anybody know where to get "For 4 Ears" releases in the US? (I don't remember where I picked up some years ago the "For 4 Ears" disc that I do have. I do remember the only place where I have seen the Marclay cd was in the gift shop of the Contemporary Museum of Art in Los Angeles of all places.) Thanks. david ________________________________________________________ keffer@shell.planetc.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:57:39 +0000 From: Scott Russell Subject: Laswell discs - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just seen a couple of recent-ish Laswell discs cheap in a local shop. Can anyone enlighten me on the relative merits of Oscillations and Third Rail (or whatever it is w/Laswell/Ulmer/Worrell etc). Replies offlist so as not to annoy everyone who already knows about these! Thanks Scott Russell - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:00:54 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?) > so, i was at my local record store (in downtown santa barbara) the other > day, and was surprised by all the great new stuff they had...i went up to > pay for them and was talking to the proprietor, who told me that bill > laswell had come in recently and sold a load of his old records. from what > the guy told me, laswell is actually moving out here soon, and that there bill laswell doesn't live in NYC?.... - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:06:59 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: cello music > > Any cello music recomendations? there's a 10 minute piece for cello and ibanez tube screamer (distortion pedal) on the Bang On A Can disc entitled 'industry'. The track is by micheal gordon, played by moyra somethingorother and is called 'industry' as well. Amazing amazing amazing. - -jascha (oh yeah, and Bach's cello suites are nice, too, but that's a little off topic...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:08:27 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Muller and O'Rourke on "For 4 Ears" >>>>> "David" == David Keffer writes: David> (2) Anybody know where to get "For 4 Ears" releases in the David> US? (I don't remember where I picked up some years ago the David> "For 4 Ears" disc that I do have. I do remember the only David> place where I have seen the Marclay cd was in the gift shop David> of the Contemporary Museum of Art in Los Angeles of all David> places.) Cadence stocks this label, http://www.cadencebuilding.com (although last time I checked their catalog might not have been posted). - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Joshua A Miller Subject: Re: i'm buying bill laswell's old records(?) it's on the metalanguage label (2139 Russel St. Berkeley CA 94705) there was also a catalogue in the sleeve with some pretty good-loking stuff on it, from 1981 (although it loked like it could've just come out of the laser printer). my guess is that most if this stuff is out of print, but i could be wrong. anybody else know? josh On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Tom Pratt wrote: > > derek bailey&christine jaffey;stories from six windows- acoustic guitar > > and voice. bailey is great (as could be expected) and jaffey does things > > with her voice i was not aware humans could do. > > I would love to have the label, etc, info for this. > > -Tom Pratt > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: kronos > As a cellist myself, someone I recommend fully would be Joan > Jeanrenaud from the Kronos Quartet. She is unbelievable, as is the entire > Quartet... composed of Joan, two violinists and a violist. Some really > intense strings... beautiful and complicated... I would suggest > Ghost Opera [Tan Dun] with Wu Man on pipa or Pieces of Africa (a very > famous CD), as well as Short Stories which features Kronos play music > composed by Elliott Sharp, John Oswald, John Zorn, Henry Cow(ell), Sofia > Gubaidulina and many others... All The Rage (with Bob Ostertag) is cool > too. Good luck finding cello music!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'd start with short stories, as it is the most diverse of the albums mentioned above (as well as being, in my opinion, bar far the best one i've heard). highlights include john oswald's digital manipulation piece created because he 'wanted to hear what a 2400 piece string ensemble would sound like'.... - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Comma performance is 12/13/1997 Just to correct the subject line of the message - the show is 12/13/97, not 1/13/97. But if anyone is in the area, please come! Interzone is also a very cool record store where much Zorn and affiliates can be had. On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Joseph Zitt wrote: > This Saturday at 8:00 PM, the vocal trio Comma (featuring list > members Matthew Ross Davis, Joseph Zitt, and Tom Bickley) will be > performing at Interzone Music in Frederick, MD. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.artswire.org/mrd school of music | S | O | H | C | 4 | # | 3 | 6 | 5 | | | 7 | 9 | C | B | 6 | 5 | 0 | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:42:21 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: more questions about music Any good recomendations for music invovlving: 1) solo acoustic guitar + tapes/electronics 2) more generally, anything which has both acoustic instruments and electronics used in interesting ways? - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:03:50 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: more questions about music >>>>> "Jascha" == ia zha nah er vesen writes: Jascha> Any good recomendations for music invovlving: Jascha> generally, anything which has both acoustic instruments Jascha> and electronics used in interesting ways? The classical electronics people (electroacoustic, musique concrete, etc) have been doing this for years, although off the top of my head I can't think of any that use guitar. Check out the Canadian label Empreintes Digitales (www.cam.org/~dim), whose site also includes information on the French INA-GRM group. The Electronic Music Foundation (www.emf.org/cde_frontdoor.html) also has a substantial and different collection of this type of music. The German label Wergo publishes a series Computer Music Currents which covers this area as well. Forced Exposure carries this series. Personally I'm not an especially strong fan of this type of music, but I can recommend number 9 in the Wergo series, which contains beautiful music for shakuhachi & tape by Gerald Bennett, for percussion and tape, and for piano and tape by William Albright. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:44:18 -0800 From: Greg Mills Subject: Liquid Liquid I just picked up the Liquid Liquid CD on Grand Royal. Can anyone provide a background for these guys? It reminds me of the first Golden Palminoes, albeit much funkier. A great frigging CD. Eat Yerself Fitter Greg - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:16:21 +0000 From: Jeff Schwartz Subject: electro-acoustic stuff I am very fond of Anthony Braxton & Richard Teitlbaum's duo albums, two of which have recently been put on one CD by (I think) Black Lion. Reeds and Moog, free improv. - -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:04:19 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Liquid Liquid Greg Mills wrote: > I just picked up the Liquid Liquid CD on Grand Royal. > > Can anyone provide a background for these guys? I know some of their pre-history: they started out at Rutgers U. in New Jersey as a proudly incompetent noise band known as Liquid Idiot in the late '70s. They put out a self-titled (I think) 7 inch and gained quite a following for their performances in the basement of the Mason Gross School of the Arts. Their best performance was one in which they raised one hell of a racket, and gradually left the stage, with those who were still onstage continuing the barrage. When the last one up there stopped playing, the audience realized that the rhythm was continuing down the hall. The band had somehow gotten into the trash room, and were banging on stuff there. The audience gleefully followed them in, joined in the soundmaking, and the show continued for quite a long time. I was the first person to play their record on the radio, and to interview them on the air. I'm not sure Liquid Idiot ever got on the air again. And then they went to NYC and became Liquid Liquid, but others here are probably more familiar with that phase than I am. - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:39:17 EST From: WINRECORDS Subject: Re: Knit in L.A.?? In a message dated 12/11/97 6:53:47 PM, you wrote: <> Jesus Christ, hurry up already. L.A. is in dire need!!!!!! Send in the reserves!!!!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:40:08 EST From: WINRECORDS Subject: Re: MM&W In a message dated 12/11/97 6:53:47 PM, you wrote: <> I hear they've been signed to Blue Note?! Good for them!! I hope the label does right by them. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:43:33 EST From: WINRECORDS Subject: Re: cello In a message dated 12/11/97 6:53:47 PM, you wrote: <> A truly beautiful cello piece is "Fratres" by Arvo Part. Look for it on his "Tabula Rasa" CD. It's performed by the 12 cellists of the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra. This CD is by no means strictly a cello recording, but this one piece, in particular, is quite stunning. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:08:18 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: cello <> There is: http://www.artswire.org/mrd/cello/, which has some RealAudio files that you can listen to, though they're not real excellent quality. I need to upload some better resolution files so it doesn't sound so distorted. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.artswire.org/mrd school of music | S | O | H | C | 4 | # | 3 | 6 | 5 | | | 7 | 9 | C | B | 6 | 5 | 0 | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:17:06 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: cello music ia zha nah er vesen wrote: > > > > Any cello music recomendations? > > there's a 10 minute piece for cello and ibanez tube screamer (distortion > pedal) on the Bang On A Can disc entitled 'industry'. The track is by > micheal gordon, played by moyra somethingorother and is called 'industry' > as well. Amazing amazing amazing. Maya Beiser. I got to hear her perform this piece at, of all places, a classical music radio conference in San Francisco a few years ago. God, how fabulous... at least 90% of the audience actively squirming and sweating and sneering. For those seeking edgy cello music played fabulously well, Maya's disc of Gubaidulina and Usvolskaya on Koch is awfully hard to beat. Has anyone in our European or Canadian contingents heard the new solo cello CD by Ernst Reijseger on Winter & Winter? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:09:56 -0800 (PST) From: Toby Dodds Subject: PIGPEN/ZONY MASH etc... Hey guys, I just wanted to write and update everyone on the latest Wayne Horvitz news. On Saturday the 13th Wayne will perform at Tula's in Seattle as part of the LENNIE TRISTANO PROJECT with violinist Eyvind Kang, bassist Michael Bisio and ZONY MASH drummer Andy Roth. This gig will showcase the beautiful and challenging compositions of pianist Lennie Tristano. Wayne will appropriately play acoustic piano On Saturday the 27th PIGPEN will celebrate the release of their latest CD "Daylight," on Tim Kerr Records, with a party at the Rainbow Tavern in Seattle. In response to the person who noticed a few repeated song titles, ie V as in Victim. Rest assured this CD has totally new interpratations. It is probably the best recorded session of Pigpen. One can see the growth of Briggan Krauss from earlier sessions dramatically. I hope everyone realizes what a HUGE talent Briggan Krauss has become. Unfortunately, for Seattle Briggan makes his home in NYC and only makes it back a few times a year. Wayne has no plans to tour behind Pigpen, Zony Mash is top priority these days, so this is a very special engagement, last show? Maybe... In January Wayne will be in NYC himself contributing to a few different sessions one for Briggan Krauss with Kenny Wolleson, and another for Bobby Previte with John Zorn, & Elliott Sharp, look for a special engagement of this latter group at the Knitting Factory in January!! Afterwards Zony Mash will perform regionally on the west coast throughout february and march, with a major tour starting up in mid-april!! That said I want to remind you guys to check out WWW.ZONYMASH.COM, the site has become MUCH more interesting of late with a new LIVE section featuring unreleased live music in Real Audio. One of the things I put up was the entire TORTURE GARDEN performance from august as well as a scorching version of "Brand Spankin New" with back to back wicked solos by Wayne and special guest of the evening Bill Frisell. Soon to arrive are some of the highlights of the fall tour. Also if you haven't already, please sign the mailing list to be elligible for tape offers and to receive up to date information about Zony Mash and related projects. Toby - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:27:38 +0100 From: Friedrich Feger Subject: cello music: Friedlaender/Roberts? Maybe some Zorn-List mails haven't made it to me, and it all has already happened, but I wonder if anyone could recommend recordings with Erik Friedlaender or Hank Roberts at their best. I only have Friedlaender on some big ensemble settings, and nothing of Roberts. Thanks, Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:20:33 -0500 From: acapps@usit.net (ashley capps) Subject: Re: cello music Has anyone mentioned Tristan Honsinger? I've enjoyed his work off and on over the years. There's an Incus duet with Derek Bailey and an FMP lp with one side of Honsinger solo and the other Altena solo, and then there's a duet with Gunter Christmann on Moers. Maybe all of these are out of print. I'm sure that the first two are not on CD. However, there's an FMP CD that came out a few years ago called Map of Moods, with essentially a string group + Louis Moholo playing drums. Partially composed and partially improvised. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I have't listened in a while. Ashley - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:56:02 +0100 From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: cello music Has Tom Cora already been mentioned? I saw him solo providing the soundtrack of "The Man with the Camera" of Dziga Vertov (cello, unobstrusive electronics) - That was really awesome. He's all over the place playing in all kinds of different settings , but there's not so much stuff solo available on record. One solo LP on No Man's Land (deleted I think) 028 - LIVE AT THE WESTERN FRONT: Tom Cora 1987 - No Man's Land, nml 8710 (LP) One solo CD on Sound Aspects (try and grab it) 054 - GUMPTION IN LIMBO: Tom Cora 1991 - Sound Aspects, Sound Aspects SA042 (CD) He also featured solo very recently on the sampler: XXX - HAIKUS URBAINS: various artists This compilation features compositions (mixes,1-29) and remixes by the same artists (31-59) of "more or less one minute" assembled for the show Haikus Urbains of Yann Marussich (August 1997). Tracks by Stevie Wishart (1,50), Leonid Soybetman (2,43), Haco (3,31), KA (4,49), Pierre Bastien (5,33), Jean-20 Huguenin (6,58), Saadet (7,53), Bratko Bibic (8,40), Domique Regef (9,48), Fred Frith (10,34), Tony Buck (11,46), Claude Jordan (12,55), Franz Treichler (13,32), Tatsuya Yoshida (14,37), Carlos Zingaro (15,41), Spaceheads (16,35), Eric Rosenzveig (17,59), Luc and Andy (The Ex) (18,39), Iva Bittova (19,47), Frank Pahl (20,45), Adrien Kessler (21,44), Han Buhrs (22,36), Pascal Plantinga (23,51), Andres Garcia (24,56), Jon Rose (25,57), Denis Rollet (26,42), Otomo Yoshihide (27,52), Lars Hollmer (28,38), and Tom Cora (29,54). 1997 - Cave12Disques (Switzerland) C12D02 (CD) e-mail autresmusiques@zipzap.ch Stephane - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #191 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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